Could California be split up into 6 states?

[The Franchise]

Billionaire Wants To Break Up California Into 6 States.

http://sourcefed.com/billionaire-wants-to-break-up-california-into-6-states/

Silicon Valley enthusiast, and venture capitalist Tom Draper is known for backing incredible companies such as Hotmail, Tesla Motors, and Skype. Now he’s backing a new proposal: Breaking up California into 6 separate states.

Draper feels a large state such as California would be better served by smaller governments. Roger Salazar, a spokesmen for the campaign stated:

“It’s important because it will help us create a more responsive, more innovative and more local government, and that ultimately will end up being better for all of Californians. The idea … is to create six states with responsive local governments – states that are more representative and accountable to their constituents.”

The campaign has gathered over 800,000 signatures needed to place the measure onto the November 2016 ballot, but opponents say that it has little chance making it past both the voters and Congress. Steven Maviglio, a Democratic political strategist who has formed the group OneCalifornia with GOP strategist Joe Rodota to fight Draper’s plan stated:

“This is a colossal and divisive waste of time, energy, and money that will hurt the California brand. It has zero chance of passage. But what it does is scare investment away… at a time when the Governor is leading us to an economic comeback.”

Draper’s plan splits the world’s eighth-largest economy along geographic lines creating the states.

Silicon Valley would include the valley along with the San Francisco Bay Area, Jefferson would encompass the northernmost region, North California would encompass the state capital of Sacramento, while South California would be made up of San Diego and the eastern suburbs of Los Angeles. Los Angeles would be part of a state called West California.

Central California would take Fresno, Bakersfield, and Stockton and would also be the largest of the six.

http://sourcefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/6-Californias.jpg

[suzzer99]

Pretty sure the only way this happens is if Texas gets split as well. Central CA would immediately become the consensus shittiest state in the union.

http://mapurbane.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Tim-Drapers-California-900px.png

[bdj23]

Is West California going to become a penal colony?

[Donger]

Learn to swim, West California.

[Donger]

Is West California going to become a penal colony?

Snake is ready in the sub as we speak.

[Prison Bitch]

Interesting to note that San Diego county has the exact same number of registered Republicans as Democrats: 559,000 each.

[Rain Man]

I love thinking about these things.

One could argue that states should split up once they get to a certain size. They get disproportionately low representation in the Senate, and they get so big that it's difficult to govern efficiently. (And yeah, I'm looking at you, federal government.)

Also, really big states are more likely to have the resources to secede, so in a long-term situation it's best to keep them small if you're looking at the situation from a federal point of view. But if you're a libertarian maybe you want that possibility to be more likely.

As another argument against breaking up, bigger states have more resources to throw at problems and address them. California has been the laboratory for a lot of social experiments over the years, and that's a good thing. But perhaps one could argue that even more social experiments would take place if we had more states. Plus, do we really want a bigger Senate? I'm not sure.

As for me, I like maps, so I vote to break them up. It'll create new maps. We should have a constitutional amendment that once a state hits 30 million people it gets split in two.

[rico]

Learn to swim, West California.

Tool. Cool.

[Gadzooks]

I support this idea whole whole heartedly.

[Mennonite]

It would likely give Democrats another 10 seats in the senate, wouldn't it?

[kcxiv]

i love living in Central Cali. 2 -4 hours away from all the bullshit and noise!

[JoeyChuckles]

The division idea could work, but the names of the states are just horrible. You're going to name a state (Silicon Valley) after a small geographic feature within that state? That's like changing the name of Arizona to Grand Canyon.

Also, the northernmost state is not called North California, so there's that.

[Eureka]

NO, NO, & NOPE.

I wonder if Northern Cali would then be selling water to Southern Cali?

EUREKA

[In58men]

Central Cal baby where the thugs be at. So Cal will get murked up in here.

[RealSNR]

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[ILChief]

All those american flags with 50 stars would be worthless

[Chief_For_Life58]

id rather just blow california into the pacific

[Eureka]

id rather just blow california into the pacific

Cali is one of the best states period. Have you ever been here?

[Mennonite]

All those american flags with 50 stars would be worthless

We could smoosh the useless New England states into one respectable sized state to even things out.

Rhode Island is the same size as Yosemite National Park ffs.

[ILChief]

id rather just blow california into the pacific

Terrorist

[ILChief]

Let's split Texas up

[BigRedChief]

It would likely give Democrats another 10 seats in the senate, wouldn't it?This idea will never become a reality. First Calafornia will never vote for it and it has to get past Congress and thats never going to happen.

Just some billionaire's pipe dream.

[BigCatDaddy]

id rather just blow california into the pacific

I would have said make it 6 different countrys but your idea isn't bad either.

[Rausch]

Let's split Texas up

Let's not punish success...

[saphojunkie]

id rather just blow california into the pacific

That's so smart of you. Eighth largest economy in the WORLD. Yeah, who needs that? I'm sure the Rust Belt will pick up the slack.

[Rain Man]

We could smoosh the useless New England states into one respectable sized state to even things out.

Rhode Island is the same size as Yosemite National Park ffs.


There are 38 counties in Colorado that are larger than Rhode Island. I find that interesting. There are 12 counties in Colorado larger than Delaware, which is the second-smallest state.

We can't quite beat Connecticut, which is the third-smallest state, but there are two counties that are roughly 98 percent of the size of Connecticut.

However, the other half of the story is that the two largest counties have a total of about 29,000 people compared to 3.5 million in Connecticut.

[Mr. Laz]

Can we divide up Texas too?


sell Florida to cuba?

[Rain Man]

That's so smart of you. Eighth largest economy in the WORLD. Yeah, who needs that? I'm sure the Rust Belt will pick up the slack.

I'd be bummed about losing most of my fruits and vegetables, too. And the Sequoias and Redwoods.

[Rausch]

That's so smart of you. Eighth largest economy in the WORLD.

That argument is years old and doesn't even touch on the debt there...

[Rausch]

I'd be bummed about losing most of my fruits and vegetables, too. And the Sequoias and Redwoods.

You wouldn't lose most your fruits and vegetables...

[Mennonite]

You wouldn't lose most your fruits and vegetables...

Well, maybe most of your fruits...

[Chief_For_Life58]

Cali is one of the best states period. Have you ever been here?

yea I was born at cedar sinai and just lived in san diego for 2 years. Great outdoor state. overall shitty people. outrageous taxes and prices for everything. certifications for fucking everything. horribly managed. Phasing out the middle class. Great state to visit, shitty place to live.

[Dayze]

see you down in Arizona bay. mom's gonna fix it all soon.

[Dayze]

All those american flags with 50 stars would be worthless

or worth MILLIONS!!!!

[Rausch]

or worth MILLIONS!!!!

Like everything else made in China...

[Gonzo]

I lived there for a good chunk of my childhood. It's definitely not what it once was, that's for damn sure.
I visited a couple years ago on business. Couldn't believe the prices for everything.
My cab driver was a fucking engineer making 6 figures. Said he and his wife both needed at least two jobs to afford their condo. I told the dude to move and he literally looked at me like I was a commie.
I told him that having a nice view was only worth so much.

[cosmo20002]

Pretty sure the only way this happens is if Texas gets split as well. Central CA would immediately become the consensus shittiest state in the union.


When the Big One hits, that will be prime ocean-front property.

[Dave Lane]

Learn to swim, West California.

Why?

[Donger]

Why?

It's from a song. It isn't literal.

[Eureka]

yea I was born at cedar sinai and just lived in san diego for 2 years. Great outdoor state. overall shitty people. outrageous taxes and prices for everything. certifications for ****ing everything. horribly managed. Phasing out the middle class. Great state to visit, shitty place to live.

Well said sir.

Guess I've been behind the redwood curtain to long.

[Dayze]

Let's split Texas up

the state, or a porn star?

I need to clarify this before I give an informed response.

[kcxiv]

i swear people think southern california is all it has. it has, mountains, it has, forest land, it has the bay area, it has farmland, it has a fuckton of Lakes, for great fucking fishing. lol And METH, but i think Meth is everywhere now. lol

[BWillie]

Can we just give California to Mexico? They can try to solve their problems together and not bring down the rest of the United States

[InChiefsHeaven]

I lived there for a good chunk of my childhood. It's definitely not what it once was, that's for damn sure.
I visited a couple years ago on business. Couldn't believe the prices for everything.
My cab driver was a ****ing engineer making 6 figures. Said he and his wife both needed at least two jobs to afford their condo. I told the dude to move and he literally looked at me like I was a commie.
I told him that having a nice view was only worth so much.

My dad is a native Californian, and he says he can never go back to live. Like you say, nice place to visit, don't want to live there.

My cousin, at the time an unemployed electrician, came out for a visit a few years ago. We were sitting in the backyard at my firepit, and he was marveling at the "mansion" I lived in...it's a 1600 square foot Celebrity home, but it has a huge back yard. He said that my house would probably go for 750K out where he is because of the size of the property. That blew my damn mind.

Needless to say, it ain't worth any where NEAR that here in Nebraska. I told him to move out here, we have jobs, the cost of living is reasonable and the people are generally good. He laughed and said he could never leave Cali.

What the hell ever...

[Mojo Rising]

I hope it happens. Central California would end up with the low speed rail fiasco.

[ModSocks]

id rather just blow california into the pacific

Join the Navy. I heard those sailor guys like to blow each other out in the pacific.

[ModSocks]

My dad is a native Californian, and he says he can never go back to live. Like you say, nice place to visit, don't want to live there.

My cousin, at the time an unemployed electrician, came out for a visit a few years ago. We were sitting in the backyard at my firepit, and he was marveling at the "mansion" I lived in...it's a 1600 square foot Celebrity home, but it has a huge back yard. He said that my house would probably go for 750K out where he is because of the size of the property. That blew my damn mind.

Needless to say, it ain't worth any where NEAR that here in Nebraska. I told him to move out here, we have jobs, the cost of living is reasonable and the people are generally good. He laughed and said he could never leave Cali.

What the hell ever...

The only reason to move from California to Nebraska is the cost of living. People are people. There are assholes everywhere.

But yeah, the cost of houses everywhere else in this country makes me jealous for sure.

But then again...a mainly flat farm state isn't for everyone.

If i were to leave California, i'd probably go to AZ. It's equally as cheap but they have a coast.

[Donger]

It's equally as cheap but they have a coast.

:spock:

[Skyy God]

:spock:

Whole lotta wrong in that sentence.

[ModSocks]

:spock:

ROFL oops. Hey, hey, it's early for me lol.

[BigRedChief]

Can we just give California to Mexico? They can try to solve their problems together and not bring down the rest of the United StatesCalifornia bringing down the USA? If its by itself its the 6th largest economy in the world. And its doing pretty good these days. Bringing the rest of the USA down?? :eek: It props the rest of the states up.

You don't like their culture or politics fine and dandy. But we would immediately cease to be a super power and maybe become a 2nd class nation if Cali and their economy just disappeared.

[alpha_omega]

Needs better names. We already have states whose names start with "North", "South", "West".

Maybe they should have a contest to come up with something better.

[Graystoke]

I have never been to California. On my list. The farthest West I have been is Utah.

[Donger]

I have never been to California. On my list. The farthest West I have been is Utah.

Really? Wow. I've been to California 20 times this year already. I'm there/here now, in fact.

[BigRedChief]

Needs better names. We already have states whose names start with "North", "South", "West".

Maybe they should have a contest to come up with something better.They had also better give some thought to water. That new southern state has no access to drinkable water. Try having a state without water.

[Frosty]

If they are going to be splitting states up, I would like them to reinvestigate creating the state of Lincoln out of the panhandle of Idaho and eastern WA (and maybe western MT).

Screw western WA.

[Katipan]

i swear people think southern california is all it has. it has, mountains, it has, forest land, it has the bay area, it has farmland, it has a ****ton of Lakes, for great ****ing fishing. lol And METH, but i think Meth is everywhere now. lol

Ok but all those things are in southern California. Except for the bay area but we have west Hollywood.

[ptlyon]

Probably a Q, but California should be blown up, not split up

[Kiimo]

Oh is this the thread where we post ignorant assumptions about California and request it to secede from the union because it's expensive or something? Oh good. It is.

[BWillie]

The only reason to move from California to Nebraska is the cost of living. People are people. There are assholes everywhere.

But yeah, the cost of houses everywhere else in this country makes me jealous for sure.

But then again...a mainly flat farm state isn't for everyone.

If i were to leave California, i'd probably go to AZ. It's equally as cheap but they have a coast.

I always laugh when people claim there isn't anything to do in midwestern cities. I've been the almost all the big cities minus New York City, and there isn't really much more to do outside of going to the beach. And KC & STL trump LA there IMO because we actually have an NFL team. I really can't figure out, what all these things are to do, more than what we have in Omaha, Kansas City, or St Louis. The weather argument, I get that, but when people claim "there is nothing to do", well, they are doing it wrong.

[Katipan]

Oh is this the thread where we post ignorant assumptions about California and request it to secede from the union because it's expensive or something? Oh good. It is.

You aren't representing very well. Where's your cool, laid back, Zen vibe?

[Katipan]

I always laugh when people claim there isn't anything to do in midwestern cities. I've been the almost all the big cities minus New York City, and there isn't really much more to do outside of going to the beach. And KC & STL trump LA there IMO because we actually have an NFL team. I really can't figure out, what all these things are to do, more than what we have in Omaha, Kansas City, or St Louis. The weather argument, I get that, but when people claim "there is nothing to do", well, they are doing it wrong.

Well, 18 years in L.A. 7 in Phoenix. 7 in Iowa. .3 in Colorado.

There sure wasn't anything to do in the part of the Midwest I was in.

[BWillie]

Well, 18 years in L.A. 7 in Phoenix. 7 in Iowa. .3 in Colorado.

There sure wasn't anything to do in the part of the Midwest I was in.

So what do you do in LA otherwise? What does LA have for your to do other than going to the beach? I get if you are talking about rural midwest, but major cities in the midwest, I don't get the argument.

[Frosty]

So what do you do in LA otherwise? What does LA have for your to do other than going to the beach? I get if you are talking about rural midwest, but major cities in the midwest, I don't get the argument.

Disneyland.

Duh.

[suzzer99]

I always laugh when people claim there isn't anything to do in midwestern cities. I've been the almost all the big cities minus New York City, and there isn't really much more to do outside of going to the beach. And KC & STL trump LA there IMO because we actually have an NFL team. I really can't figure out, what all these things are to do, more than what we have in Omaha, Kansas City, or St Louis. The weather argument, I get that, but when people claim "there is nothing to do", well, they are doing it wrong.

I can go surfing in the morning and skiing in the afternoon. Granted I don't do either of those things. But I could if I wanted to!

Also pretty much any kind of comedy show, cultural event, ethnic food, art exhibit, festival, concert, etc. you can imagine on any given day. You can go to one of these things every day for the rest of your life in LA if you wanted and never see the same thing twice.

Within a 2 hour trip I have San Diego, mountains, deserts, islands, a jillion interesting ethnic communities. Within a 5 hour drive I have San Francisco, Yosemite, Sequioa/Kings Canyon, Lake Powell/Havasu, Kern/Colorado River, Joshua Tree, Death Valley, Vegas, Palm Springs, Mt. Whitney, Mono Lake, Mexico, world class wine tasting, Hwy 1 on the CA coast, a ton of state parks, etc. That's just off the top of my head.

I love KC, it's where my heart is. But there's pretty much endless stuff to do out here compared to KC. It's why everyone in CA waits until they're 35 to start plopping out babies.

[Katipan]

So what do you do in LA otherwise? What does LA have for your to do other than going to the beach? I get if you are talking about rural midwest, but major cities in the midwest, I don't get the argument.

I don't need to repeat suzzers post but there's a diversity missing in Midwest offerings. Yes, you can find something to do. But they're often going to be the same things you've been doing all your life. And all your parents life. With the same people.

All that being said. My parents are doing well in L.A. I could be coddled and spoiled. But that would entail living in Los Angeles.

[Donger]

I always laugh when people claim there isn't anything to do in midwestern cities. I've been the almost all the big cities minus New York City, and there isn't really much more to do outside of going to the beach. And KC & STL trump LA there IMO because we actually have an NFL team. I really can't figure out, what all these things are to do, more than what we have in Omaha, Kansas City, or St Louis. The weather argument, I get that, but when people claim "there is nothing to do", well, they are doing it wrong.

Yes, there's "lots to do" but none of it is very appealing relatively. I personally don't like much of California (particularly SoCal) because it's too crowded and I don't like other humans much to begin with.

[alpha_omega]

Needs better names. We already have states whose names start with "North", "South", "West".

Maybe they should have a contest to come up with something better.

They had also better give some thought to water. That new southern state has no access to drinkable water. Try having a state without water.

Two birds with one stone...."Dryafornia"

[BWillie]

I can go surfing in the morning and skiing in the afternoon. Granted I don't do either of those things. But I could if I wanted to!

Also pretty much any kind of comedy show, cultural event, ethnic food, art exhibit, festival, concert, etc. you can imagine on any given day. You can go to one of these things every day for the rest of your life in LA if you wanted and never see the same thing twice.

Within a 2 hour trip I have San Diego, mountains, deserts, islands, a jillion interesting ethnic communities. Within a 5 hour drive I have San Francisco, Yosemite, Sequioa/Kings Canyon, Lake Powell/Havasu, Kern/Colorado River, Joshua Tree, Death Valley, Vegas, Palm Springs, Mt. Whitney, Mono Lake, Mexico, world class wine tasting, Hwy 1 on the CA coast, a ton of state parks, etc. That's just off the top of my head.

I love KC, it's where my heart is. But there's pretty much endless stuff to do out here compared to KC. It's why everyone in CA waits until they're 35 to start plopping out babies.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/stanford-and-sons-comedy-club-kansas-city

http://www.visitkc.com/things-to-do/suggested-itineraries/multicultural-listings/index.aspx

http://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=ethnicmarkets&find_loc=Kansas+City%2C+MO

http://www.kauffmancenter.org/

http://www.songkick.com/metro_areas/5961-us-kansas-city

http://mostateparks.com/page/57756/kansas-city-region

http://kansascity.about.com/od/nightlife/tp/KCWineTastings.htm

See, all of those things are here too. I guess you got me with the mountain thing. But, I would venture to say that 98% of people that live in Southern California don't go to see mountains, basically ever.

[BWillie]

Yes, there's "lots to do" but none of it is very appealing relatively. I personally don't like much of California (particularly SoCal) because it's too crowded and I don't like other humans much to begin with.

:thumb::thumb:

[Katipan]

But, I would venture to say that 98% of people that live in Southern California don't go to see mountains, basically ever.

Hundreds of thousands commute through the Santa Monica mountains every day.

[Donger]

http://www.yelp.com/biz/stanford-and-sons-comedy-club-kansas-city

http://www.visitkc.com/things-to-do/suggested-itineraries/multicultural-listings/index.aspx

http://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=ethnicmarkets&find_loc=Kansas+City%2C+MO

http://www.kauffmancenter.org/

http://www.songkick.com/metro_areas/5961-us-kansas-city

http://mostateparks.com/page/57756/kansas-city-region

http://kansascity.about.com/od/nightlife/tp/KCWineTastings.htm

See, all of those things are here too. I guess you got me with the mountain thing. But, I would venture to say that 98% of people that live in Southern California don't go to see mountains, basically ever.

Let's take just one for analysis. Yes, Missouri and Kansas have state parks, too. Unfortunately, they happen to be in Kansas and Missouri.

[Donger]

Hundreds of thousands commute through the Santa Monica mountains every day.

Yes, but have you ever summited Mt. Sunflower?

[BWillie]

Sooo driving thru them means what? Its not anything more to do.
Hundreds of thousands commute through the Santa Monica mountains every day.

[Katipan]

Sooo driving thru them means what? Its not anything more to do.

... you said 98% don't see mountains. I tell you you've never seen a geographical map of southern California. Or any reality show on tv. All those pretty houses perched on the side of... air.

[Donger]

Sooo driving thru them means what? Its not anything more to do.

You mentioned "seeing" the mountains. Unless they are really bad drivers and/or Asian, they likely see the mountains while driving over them.

[Katipan]

Yes, but have you ever summited Mt. Sunflower?

LMAO

The highest point in Iowa used to be a trash heap. Or was it just NW Iowa? Who cares. It was a dump!

[BWillie]

... you said 98% don't see mountains. I tell you you've never seen a geographical map of southern California. Or any reality show on tv. All those pretty houses perched on the side of... air.

Well I meant like go to the mountains to hike, or camp or whatever people do in the mountains. I've been to Southern California, I drove through them to get into LA, and yes alot of the really nice houses are in the "hills". Well there we have it, theres just millions of more things to do in Southern California because you drive, um, through the mountains?

[Katipan]

Well I Meant like go to the mountains to hike, or camp or whatever people do in the mountains. I've been to California, you drive through them. I get that, I just don't see how that adds anything to do

Mountain living translates well to a Midwest lifestyle. But it is expensive and highly sought after. And when you're sick of your neighbors it's only a 15 min drive down the mountain and you disappear.

Topanga Canyooooon
My hide away when work time ends.
Surrounded by my canyon friends.
Topanga Canyons where I wanna beeeeeeee.

But watch out for the nudists.

[Donger]

LMAO

The highest point in Iowa used to be a trash heap. Or was it just NW Iowa? Who cares. It was a dump!

Laugh all you want, honey, but I'll tell you, you are missing out:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Mount_Sunflower_KS_Summit.jpg

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dane is gonna return and castrate BWillie ;)

[Katipan]

Laugh all you want, honey, but I'll tell you, you are missing out:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Mount_Sunflower_KS_Summit.jpg

Bucket list!

[Reerun_KC]

Laugh all you want, honey, but I'll tell you, you are missing out:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Mount_Sunflower_KS_Summit.jpg

How will us Midwestern's ever survive without the awesomeness of those west coast people?

Do we bow when you grace our states with your presence?

Sometimes I wish we didn't have shit to do out here in no mans land... We are freaking busy with festivals every weekend, concerts here and there, NBA, NFL, College Football, camping, wake boarding, hunting, fishing, casinos, Pro and minor league soccer.... Every weekend is packed with something going on...

How will we ever survive the boredom? Maybe we should build tee pees or something...

[Donger]

Bucket list!

And, the World's Largest Ball of Twine is only a few easy hours drive away!

[Reerun_KC]

And, the World's Largest Ball of Twine is only a few easy hours drive away!

Make fun of it all you want, but you know you went and saw both of them in your grandpa cruiser...

[Katipan]

How will us Midwestern's ever survive without the awesomeness of those west coast people?

Do we bow when you grace our states with your presence?

Sometimes I wish we didn't have shit to do out here in no mans land... We are freaking busy with festivals every weekend, concerts here and there, NBA, NFL, College Football, camping, wake boarding, hunting, fishing, casinos, Pro and minor league soccer.... Every weekend is packed with something going on...

How will we ever survive the boredom? Maybe we should build tee pees or something...

It's good that you love where you live. I would like that for everyone.

[Halfcan]

And, the World's Largest Ball of Twine is only a few easy hours drive away!

Which one- the "claimed" largest or the "official" one. It is quite the competition going on between the two.

[Reerun_KC]

It's good that you love where you live. I would like that for everyone.

:thumb:

[Donger]

How will us Midwestern's ever survive without the awesomeness of those west coast people?

I don't know, since I'm not a west coast person.

Do we bow when you grace our states with your presence?

It's not required but always appreciated.

Sometimes I wish we didn't have shit to do out here in no mans land... We are freaking busy with festivals every weekend, concerts here and there, NBA, NFL, College Football, camping, wake boarding, hunting, fishing, casinos, Pro and minor league soccer.... Every weekend is packed with something going on...

It really is the amount of the shit you have going on, but the relative quality of the shit.

How will we ever survive the boredom? Maybe we should build tee pees or something...

Maybe drive to Colorado?

[Donger]

It's good that you love where you live. I would like that for everyone.

Indeed, I completely agree with that. But, I do take issue with the "Kansas is just as good as Colorado/California" statements.

[Reerun_KC]

It really is the amount of the shit you have going on, but the relative quality of the shit.


Based on what Donger? Opinions?

Cause the opinions of the west coast folks is the Midwest sucks... Our opinion is those north Korean loving communist asshats out on the west coast suck as well.

Who is right, who is wrong?

[Katipan]

Indeed, I completely agree with that. But, I do take issue with the "Kansas is just as good as Colorado/California" statements.

Nobody ever really knows when they're in love with an ugly girl. They're just happy to be in love.

[Donger]

Based on what Donger? Opinions?

Cause the opinions of the west coast folks is the Midwest sucks... Our opinion is those north Korean loving communist asshats out on the west coast suck as well.

Who is right, who is wrong?

How about the comparative numbers of visitors/vacationers? Do many people without relatives or friends who live there sit down with the family and plan out a vacation to Missouri or Kansas versus California or Colorado?

[Katipan]

Based on what Donger? Opinions?

Cause the opinions of the west coast folks is the Midwest sucks... Our opinion is those north Korean loving communist asshats out on the west coast suck as well.

Who is right, who is wrong?

The people in Colorado.

[Reerun_KC]

Indeed, I completely agree with that. But, I do take issue with the "Kansas is just as good as Colorado/California" statements.

Each state in offers its own set of unique traits that separate it from the others...

I love Kansas for the plains and prairies, the sunsets are amazing.

You cant beat Colorado for the mining history and Mountains...

I have only been to California a few times. What I saw was pretty nice. It has a lot to offer. Palm Springs, LA, SF and Oakland...

Just like any state, its what you make of it. I have lived across this country in many different states and everyone offers its own set of natural wonders.

[Reerun_KC]

The people in Colorado.

So drugs are bad?

[ptlyon]

Nobody ever really knows when they're in love with an ugly girl. They're just happy to be in love.

That's cuz ugly girls suck the best cock

[Donger]

Each state in offers its own set of unique traits that separate it from the others...

I love Kansas for the plains and prairies, the sunsets are amazing.

You cant beat Colorado for the mining history and Mountains...

I have only been to California a few times. What I saw was pretty nice. It has a lot to offer. Palm Springs, LA, SF and Oakland...

Just like any state, its what you make of it. I have lived across this country in many different states and everyone offers its own set of natural wonders.

Yes, but you are in the vast minority. I'm not saying that to be nasty. Like Frankie, I'm a person of two states. Kansas still feels like home to me (and I was there all last week), but I'm not going to argue that the natural beauty of Kansas compares to the natural beauty of Colorado, because it doesn't, IMO. At least the mountainous part of Colorado. Eastern Colorado is just Western Kansas.

[Katipan]

So drugs are bad?

See now you're just being mean.

[BWillie]

That's cuz ugly girls suck the best cock

No, fat girls do. It's cuz they hungry

[Mennonite]

Each state in offers its own set of unique traits that separate it from the others...

I love Kansas for the plains and prairies, the sunsets are amazing.

You cant beat Colorado for the mining history and Mountains...

Nevada has legalized prostitution. I'll take that over your gay sunsets and mining history.

[BWillie]

Dane is gonna return and castrate BWillie ;)

I'll speed down his street at 100 mph. And tell Chris Brown & Justin Bieber that Dane is comin' for 'em

But seriously, I'm not disputing that the natural beauty of California & Colorado isn't better than Iowa or Kansas. But for the vast majority of people this doesn't translate for more to do. I just see it everyday when I'm in Miami, LA, or Vegas just the view people have of people from the Midwest. I tell them I'm from Kansas and they automatically think that I live on a farm, and that my day consists of milking cows. They seem to be completely oblivious that there are buildings higher than two stories here & think that there is literally nothing to do except watch paint dry. I usually just go along with it, tell them I herd goats & farm wheat or something. And just totally make shit up to go along with their stereotype about me. They always ask me why I don't have a Southern Accent too, wtf do you people not look at a map?

[Reerun_KC]

Nevada has legalized prostitution. I'll take that over your gay sunsets and mining history.

Always go with full aids over anything else strange bearded guy...

[Reerun_KC]

Yes, but you are in the vast minority. I'm not saying that to be nasty. Like Frankie, I'm a person of two states. Kansas still feels like home to me (and I was there all last week), but I'm not going to argue that the natural beauty of Kansas compares to the natural beauty of Colorado, because it doesn't, IMO. At least the mountainous part of Colorado. Eastern Colorado is just Western Kansas.

No one is arguing... You can say Idaho beats the shit out of Colorado in natural beauty. so what? Both of the states are beautiful in their own right, just like the plains states.

[Donger]

No one is arguing... You can say Idaho beats the shit out of Colorado in natural beauty. so what? Both of the states are beautiful in their own right, just like the plains states.

Actually yes, Idaho is quite pretty.

[BWillie]

No one is arguing... You can say Idaho beats the shit out of Colorado in natural beauty. so what? Both of the states are beautiful in their own right, just like the plains states.

Alaska is the most beautiful. That is why everybody lives there.

[Katipan]

We need a what state would you most like to live in poll.

I bet neither California or Kansas win.

[ptlyon]

We need a what state would you most like to live in poll.

I bet neither California or Kansas win.

Intoxication

[Eureka]

On the coast in Northern Cali the land here is the best.

It almost never gets bellow 40deg and it rarely reaches the 90's. We don't have seasons and I drive a conv miata year round. Beach is 3min walk away and the mountains/Redwood forest is a 3min walk in the other direction. I never water my lawn and it stays green year round. No big chain store like Home depot, best buy etc. in a 200 mile radius. We finally got a small walmart in the back of the mall and I've been there once(Walmart was not welcome in this community). The economy is much better vs other regions I've lived.

Humboldt County, CA is prob one of the best places to live in the USA.

[Katipan]

Intoxication

Hahaha. Fantastic.

[Katipan]

On the coast in Northern Cali the land here is the best.

It almost never gets bellow 40deg and it rarely reaches the 90's. We don't have seasons and I drive a conv miata year round. Beach is 3min walk away and the mountains/Redwood forest is a 3min walk in the other direction. I never water my lawn and it stays green year round. No big chain store like Home depot, best buy etc. in a 200 mile radius. We finally got a small walmart in the back of the mall and I've been there once(Walmart was not welcome in this community). The economy is much better vs other regions I've lived.

Humboldt County, CA is prob one of the best places to live in the USA.

Are you a tiny man or a woman?

[ptlyon]

On the coast in Northern Cali the land here is the best.

It almost never gets bellow 40deg and it rarely reaches the 90's. We don't have seasons and I drive a conv miata year round. Beach is 3min walk away and the mountains/Redwood forest is a 3min walk in the other direction. I never water my lawn and it stays green year round. No big chain store like Home depot, best buy etc. in a 200 mile radius. We finally got a small walmart in the back of the mall and I've been there once(Walmart was not welcome in this community). The economy is much better vs other regions I've lived.

Humboldt County, CA is prob one of the best places to live in the USA.

Hippie

[Donger]

On the coast in Northern Cali the land here is the best.

It almost never gets bellow 40deg and it rarely reaches the 90's. We don't have seasons and I drive a conv miata year round. Beach is 3min walk away and the mountains/Redwood forest is a 3min walk in the other direction. I never water my lawn and it stays green year round. No big chain store like Home depot, best buy etc. in a 200 mile radius. We finally got a small walmart in the back of the mall and I've been there once(Walmart was not welcome in this community). The economy is much better vs other regions I've lived.

Humboldt County, CA is prob one of the best places to live in the USA.

You're a female?

[Katipan]

You're a female?

I'm so hot for you.

[Frosty]

Actually yes, Idaho is quite pretty.

Nothern (and mid) Idaho

Boise to Pocatello corridor is ZZZZZZ....

[Reerun_KC]

We need a what state would you most like to live in poll.

I bet neither California or Kansas win.

I would vote for Turks and Caicos or the Cayman Islands...

[Mennonite]

Hawaii

Perfect weather year round. Gorgeous women. Higgins.

[ThaVirus]

We need a what state would you most like to live in poll.



I bet neither California or Kansas win.


I'd be interested in seeing the results...

[Katipan]

I like the idea of Hawaii, but worry I'd get a little claustrophobic so far from the main land. I wish Colorado had some coastline.

[Donger]

I'm so hot for you.

LMAO

That's just because you can't have me.

[Katipan]

LMAO

...because you can't have me.

That's what you think.

[Just Passin' By]

Why not just nuke L.A., S.F. and Sacramento? That would save on the paperwork.

[ptlyon]

That's what you think.

She's had you many, many times Donger

[NinerDoug]

Yawn. Various non-personalities have been proposing this for decades. It's not going anywhere.

[Donger]

That's what you think.

:bolt:

[Donger]

She's had you many, many times Donger

I must have been even faster than usual.

[BWillie]

On the coast in Northern Cali the land here is the best.

It almost never gets bellow 40deg and it rarely reaches the 90's. We don't have seasons and I drive a conv miata year round. Beach is 3min walk away and the mountains/Redwood forest is a 3min walk in the other direction. I never water my lawn and it stays green year round. No big chain store like Home depot, best buy etc. in a 200 mile radius. We finally got a small walmart in the back of the mall and I've been there once(Walmart was not welcome in this community). The economy is much better vs other regions I've lived.

Humboldt County, CA is prob one of the best places to live in the USA.
Whew. Good thing there are no home depot or successful large businesses that offer goods and services better and cheaper than everybody else. I was almost getting worried there. Ill pray that Trader Joes doesnt come and ruin everything

[Donger]

I would vote for Turks and Caicos or the Cayman Islands...

There aren't many prairies on Grand Cayman, though. Lots of wild chickens and iguanas.

[Graystoke]

Really? Wow. I've been to California 20 times this year already. I'm there/here now, in fact.

Really!
We just go to places like the East Coast and Colorado, Wyoming, Utah and Montana. Just never made it there. I travel, but when I do it is usually for family and trout fishing.

[Reerun_KC]

There aren't many prairies on Grand Cayman, though. Lots of wild chickens and iguanas.

Okay?......

[Stewie]

Indeed, I completely agree with that. But, I do take issue with the "Kansas is just as good as Colorado/California" statements.

Which part of Colorado are you talking about? The 50% that is exactly like western Kansas, or the small portion where everyone is crammed in the front range? Western Colorado is awesome, too. I don't think anyone lives there outside of a few small towns.

[suzzer99]

On the coast in Northern Cali the land here is the best.

It almost never gets bellow 40deg and it rarely reaches the 90's. We don't have seasons and I drive a conv miata year round. Beach is 3min walk away and the mountains/Redwood forest is a 3min walk in the other direction. I never water my lawn and it stays green year round. No big chain store like Home depot, best buy etc. in a 200 mile radius. We finally got a small walmart in the back of the mall and I've been there once(Walmart was not welcome in this community). The economy is much better vs other regions I've lived.

Humboldt County, CA is prob one of the best places to live in the USA.

As long as you don't mind rain and fog. I know lots of people are fine with it. But I get seasonal effective disorder really easily. Lots of sunshine is good for my well-being. I wouldn't mind living in the desert if I could make a living out there.

[ptlyon]

As long as you don't mind rain and fog. I know lots of people are fine with it. But I get seasonal effective disorder really easily. Lots of sunshine is good for my well-being. I wouldn't mind living in the desert if I could make a living out there.

You sound as needy as a hippie, you'd be fine there

[Eureka]

As long as you don't mind rain and fog. I know lots of people are fine with it. But I get seasonal effective disorder really easily. Lots of sunshine is good for my well-being. I wouldn't mind living in the desert if I could make a living out there.

It doesn't rain here like it used to. We do get fog/overcast sometimes. Better than 100deg weather.

[Eureka]

Are you a tiny man or a woman?

6'1" 200lb male with a 32" waist. I fit in the Miata.

[Reerun_KC]

It doesn't rain here like it used to. We do get fog/overcast sometimes. Better than 100deg weather.

Nothing is better than 100+ on a lake tied up to a ton of other boats enjoying sights of Gods handy work....

Love me some summer time...

[ModSocks]

Nothing is better than 100+ on a lake tied up to a ton of other boats enjoying sights of Gods handy work....

Love me some summer time...

Sure there is. It's called 75 Degree weather on a lake tied up to a ton of other boats enjoying sights of God's handy work.

[Reerun_KC]

Sure there is. It's called 75 Degree weather on a lake tied up to a ton of other boats enjoying sights of God's handy work.

Sounds cold...

[Katipan]

6'1" 200lb male with a 32" waist. I fit in the Miata.

With the top up? :D

[Chief_For_Life58]

Sure there is. It's called 75 Degree weather on a lake tied up to a ton of other boats enjoying sights of God's handy work.

what part of sd you live in?

[Kiimo]

http://www.yelp.com/biz/stanford-and-sons-comedy-club-kansas-city


See, all of those things are here too. I guess you got me with the mountain thing. But, I would venture to say that 98% of people that live in Southern California don't go to see mountains, basically ever.



This is one hour from Los Angeles.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7yYCMG1NZGk/UUFvKZgz2XI/AAAAAAAAdIA/dqN5hmW5t7s/s640/Big+bear+133.jpg

[Donger]

This is one hour from Los Angeles.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7yYCMG1NZGk/UUFvKZgz2XI/AAAAAAAAdIA/dqN5hmW5t7s/s640/Big+bear+133.jpg

Not from 6:00am to 9:00am, or 3:00pm to 7:00pm, it isn't!

[ModSocks]

what part of sd you live in?

About 5 minutes from Downtown, so Central SD.

[ModSocks]

Sounds cold...

haha

[Chief_For_Life58]

About 5 minutes from Downtown, so Central SD.

hillcrest? u ghey? its totally cool if u are, it would make alot of sense

[ModSocks]

This is one hour from Los Angeles.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7yYCMG1NZGk/UUFvKZgz2XI/AAAAAAAAdIA/dqN5hmW5t7s/s640/Big+bear+133.jpg

Pretty much.

Same with San Diego. We can go take a 45 minute drive (still within the county) and play in the snow during the winter. At select times obviously. It doesn't snow very often, but we do get snow. Nothing like what the rest of the country gets of course.

I use to go up to Big Bear once a year back when i was a teen. Really nice up there.

[ModSocks]

hillcrest? u ghey? its totally cool if u are, it would make alot of sense

Hillcrest is Hillcrest, not Downtown. The fact that that area stands out in your head says more about you than it does me.

[Chief_For_Life58]

Hillcrest is Hillcrest, not Downtown. The fact that that area stands out in your head says more about you than it does me.

lol i was just fucking around. u said 5 minutes from downtown. that could mean a lot of places. i lived in pb and mb for 2 years after college

[ModSocks]

lol i was just ****ing around. u said 5 minutes from downtown. that could mean a lot of places. i lived in pb and mb for 2 years after college

Ah nice. PB/MB are really nice areas. I live in GoldenHills/ South Park.

Im probably going to end up moving way out east closer to where I work.

[BucEyedPea]

Good idea! Let's see if those commies in LA can support themselves without the rest of the state. If so fine. It still frees everyone else in that state.

[Eureka]

With the top up? :D

Yes, ma'am but here in Cali the top stays down most of the time!

[The Franchise]

About 5 minutes from Downtown, so Central SD.

We need to party the next time I'm down that way.

[Eureka]

Whew. Good thing there are no home depot or successful large businesses that offer goods and services better and cheaper than everybody else. I was almost getting worried there. Ill pray that Trader Joes doesnt come and ruin everything

It's what makes this area unique!

I'm sure if a company like Home depot came in to my area they would support the community and none of the money spent there would be sent out of the area. :hmmm:

[Kiimo]

Not from 6:00am to 9:00am, or 3:00pm to 7:00pm, it isn't!

Hahaha excellent point. This isn't actually up in Big Bear, this is that scenic lookout about three-fourths of the way up the mountain.

[L.A. Chieffan]

California sucks, stop moving here

[PHOG]

California sucks, stop moving here
No! 2 States, that us it....no mora!!

[Kiimo]

California sucks, stop moving here

I'm sure Colorado is like stop moving here after you moved there.

[Katipan]

I'm sure Colorado is like stop moving here after you moved there.

Yes.

[BigRedChief]

I'm sure Colorado is like stop moving here after you moved there.And don't even think about moving to Florida.:harumph:

[ModSocks]

We need to party the next time I'm down that way.

Just let me know.

[Garcia Bronco]

Got a call from an old friend we used to be real close,
Said he couldn't go on the American way.
Closed up shop. Sold his house and bought a ticket to the west coast,
Now he does a stand-up routine in LA.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm sure Colorado is like stop moving here after you moved there.

LMAO. YES!

[ChiefRocka]

bitcoin auction winner.