2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat

[penguinz]

I need this so I can spend more time in the passing lane...

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/140716014954-2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-620xb.jpg

With 707 horsepower and 650 pound-feet of torque the SRT Hellcat’s supercharged 6.2-liter V8 can burn through 1.5 gallons of gas per minute at peak performance. That rate would theoretically drain the fuel tank in 13 minutes.

[KC native]

Yes, it looks beastly
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[Eleazar]

http://moparblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/AlBundyDodge.jpg

[Big Poppa Payne]

I love this car and I will be getting one of them. When I first saw it I thought it would be an $80-90k car but I just heard Dodge will be selling them at $59k. That's pretty reasonable considering what you're getting for the money.

[TLO]

JIMP

[TLO]

It'll be interesting to see how the first ever supercharged hemi holds up.

[KC native]

I love this car and I will be getting one of them. When I first saw it I thought it would be an $80-90k car but I just heard Dodge will be selling them at $59k. That's pretty reasonable considering what you're getting for the money.

I really doubt they can bring it to market at $59k. I bet it comes in at $70K.

[penguinz]

I really doubt they can bring it to market at $59k. I bet it comes in at $70K.Base price: $60,990

[Big Poppa Payne]

I really doubt they can bring it to market at $59k. I bet it comes in at $70K.

They already released the starting at price of $59k so who knows what 'starting at' means though. You'll probably get vinyl seats and no stereo for that price.

And the Dodge dealers are planning on selling them for more than sticker price since they will have a limited supply of them. So yeah you're probably right, I bet they sell for $70k+.

[KC native]

They already released the starting at price of $59k so who knows what 'starting at' means though. You'll probably get vinyl seats and no stereo for that price.

Oh shit. I didn't see that they had released the price on it. When did they announce it?

[Big Poppa Payne]

Oh shit. I didn't see that they had released the price on it. When did they announce it?

Here is where I read it at..

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/07/16/dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-price-speed-revealed/

[kccrazzi]

Rumor has it that only 1200 will be produced this year. $60,000 is base price, dealer will add another 20 -30,000 to it. If you want one you need to be on order list now

[Dave Lane]

I had a 68 Charger RT with a 426 hemi tunnel ram with dual quads, balanced, blueprinted and all the goodies that did a 10.6 and it could almost pull the front end off the ground. That's fantastic for a stock car.

[Jewish Rabbi]

You have no reason to drive over the speed limit /dumbasses from other thread

[Dayze]

god I wish I had the means to enjoy a car like this.

I test drove a Camaro SS about a year ago for the fuck of it.......yeah, I can't test drive any cars like that any more. I was ready to sign my life away afterwards lol.

[WilliamTheIrish]

That is beautiful.

[hometeam]

Lots of HP.

Shit chassis.

[Dunerdr]

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[Dunerdr]

Lots of HP.

Shit chassis.

Fuck off it seats 4 and runs 10s with the ac on and a warranty. They built a viper to handle. This is an American MUSCLE car.

[Saccopoo]

**** off it seats 4 and runs 10s with the ac on and a warranty. They built a viper to handle. This is an American MUSCLE car.

So is a Camaro LT1, but that sumbitch just beat a Nissan GTR and a Porsche Turbo S around the track during a recent Road & Track or Motor Trend Face Off. (And, theoretically, it's an Italian muscle car since Fiat owns Dodge.)

I'd be interested to see if Dodge/Fiat took the approach that Chevy did with the LT1 and actually made 700 hp usable other than at a drag strip.

[Dunerdr]

Your argument means nothing to me it's a true muscle car that looks like a true muscle car. And I'm a drag racer. I've driven fairly fast cars on road courses but to me that's not half as thrilling as a 9 second quarter mile. You have your big gay Utah loving argument. At the end of the day dodge is doing exactly what they've always done something different. I like it.

And there's no such thing as an Italian muscle car. Shut your whore mouth.

[TEX]

So is a Camaro LT1, but that sumbitch just beat a Nissan GTR and a Porsche Turbo S around the track during a recent Road & Track or Motor Trend Face Off. (And, theoretically, it's an Italian muscle car since Fiat owns Dodge.)

I'd be interested to see if Dodge/Fiat took the approach that Chevy did with the LT1 and actually made 700 hp usable other than at a drag strip.

Chevy did it with the ZL1 Camaro in part because it had to..It had to have "something" to hang its hat on because it could not hang in straight line acceleration with many of the cars it would be compared to and they're not gonna make the top Camaro faster than the top Vette.

Dodge is marketing this car as the most powerful and fastest MUSCLE CAR ever built. You know what you're getting. Its perfectly acceptable for it to go in a straight line VERY fast rather than around some cones in a parking lot.

Any modern muscle car can more than handle normal driving conditions. I own a modified Shelby GT 500, with a live rear axle, and its perfectly fine on the road under every day driving conditions. Open it up on a straight and the acceleration is brutal. Most folks will never drive their car on a road course to see any real performance advantage there but they will drive on normal roads every day and light it up at a stop light grand prix when possible.

I applaud Dodge for building the Hellcat and having the stones to market it as a MUSCLE CAR that will eat your lunch in a straight line! Running low 11's and
high 10's in the 1320 on pump gas with nothing more than drag radials is REALLY SOMETHING in a totally stock car! Who TF cares what a MUSCLE CAR can do on a road course??? Answer - Only those who cant beat it in a straight line...

[TEX]

Your argument means nothing to me it's a true muscle car that looks like a true muscle car. And I'm a drag racer. I've driven fairly fast cars on road courses but to me that's not half as thrilling as a 9 second quarter mile. You have your big gay Utah loving argument. At the end of the day dodge is doing exactly what they've always done something different. I like it.

And there's no such thing as an Italian muscle car. Shut your whore mouth.

This! Rep! :clap:

[Al Bundy]

http://moparblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/AlBundyDodge.jpg

Here we go... :shake:

[Kaepernick]

Can't justify the cost. I will get a 2015 plus Shaker instead. I think I can find a way to kill myself with 375 horsepower, not that I would complain with 700 horses under the hood with the Hellcat. Just, $40k for the RT Shaker or $60 way plus for the Hellcat. Can't justify the $20k +.

[Kaepernick]

Lots of HP.

Shit chassis.

There is nothing wrong with the Mercedes designed chassis on the Challenger. The only complaint is the 4100 lb weight, and the Camaro SS weighs about the same, so...

[TEX]

Can't justify the cost. I will get a 2015 plus Shaker instead. I think I can find a way to kill myself with 375 horsepower, not that I would complain with 700 horses under the hood with the Hellcat. Just, $40k for the RT Shaker or $60 way plus for the Hellcat. Can't justify the $20k +.

Just bolt a blower on it and you can kill yourself with 500+HP. .. Just kidding. I see your point. You cant really justify the cost because its hard to put a cost on FUN! Everyone's definition is different. See, Id find a way. I found a way to "justify" 750HP. LOL!

[TLO]

I can't imagine driving something with that much hp. My Subaru dynoed out to 330 the other day, and that feels plenty fast for me. :jester:

[Dunerdr]

Tex what years your slobra? I'm not a big ford guy but have been getting into them more lately. I've got two buddies that are die hard 4 valve guys.

[penguinz]

You have no reason to drive over the speed limit /dumbasses from other thread

This is true. There really is no reason. I would still love to have this car.

[alpha_omega]

.....Dodge will be selling them at $59k. That's pretty reasonable considering what you're getting for the money.

I am by no means a car guy, and that is definitely one badass car....but 59K+ doesnt sound reasonable for any car. (But I get your point).

[Hydrae]

You have no reason to drive over the speed limit /dumbasses from other thread

There's no law about how fast you get to that speed limit. :D

[Psyko Tek]

They already released the starting at price of $59k so who knows what 'starting at' means though. You'll probably get vinyl seats and no stereo for that price.

And the Dodge dealers are planning on selling them for more than sticker price since they will have a limited supply of them. So yeah you're probably right, I bet they sell for $70k+.

with that motor who would want music to mask the sound of turn dinosaurs in to speed

throw some cheap ass seat covers on it and go to town

[hometeam]

**** off it seats 4 and runs 10s with the ac on and a warranty. They built a viper to handle. This is an American MUSCLE car.

woah woah woah why the hostility?

The things you said in no way invalidate my point that is a shitty chassis. Not just for handling, but weight, weight distrubution, and most of all, build quality on the actual car.

It is what it is, a heavy, shitty chassis, made by a company with a history of shitty workmanship. I didnt say it wasnt fast, or that it didnt have 4 seats. It will handle like a turd and the interior will be worn in no time, like all Chrysler products.

At last with these they will mostly be garage queens and may not get worn out as fast.

Just my opinion as somebody who eats, sleeps, breathes cars for a living, and has even had a mythical all powerful 10 second daily driver under my ass.

[BWillie]

There's no law about how fast you get to that speed limit. :D

There is actually, unreasonable acceleration. I was cited for it in high school

[Demonpenz]

Unreasonable acceleration

[Saccopoo]

Your argument means nothing to me it's a true muscle car that looks like a true muscle car. And I'm a drag racer. I've driven fairly fast cars on road courses but to me that's not half as thrilling as a 9 second quarter mile. You have your big gay Utah loving argument. At the end of the day dodge is doing exactly what they've always done something different. I like it.

And there's no such thing as an Italian muscle car. Shut your whore mouth.

Au contraire mon frere...

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/ferrari-599-gto-gets-dpe-wheels-photo-gallery_2.jpg

http://limitedslipblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/2011-frankfurt-lamborghini-gallardo-super-trofeo-stradale.jpg

http://www.hamann-me.com/images/Aerokit-LARGO.jpg

[Saccopoo]

Oh, here's the Top Gear quick review:

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-review-2014-7-23

[Jiu Jitsu Jon]

And I thought that the ZL1(?)l Camaro putting out 630 hp or something was insane. Then Dodge, who had been lagging behind in the hp division says F You, here's 700 horses.

Used to have an '05 GTO rated at 400 hp, and I thought that was more than enough power for me to handle. 700 hp? Better skip cloth seats if that's an option, you'll want something that's easy to clean.

[R8RFAN]

Just because you have a fast car does not mean you have the skill to drive it

[Jiu Jitsu Jon]

"With great power comes great responsibility..."

[Jimmya]

Agree that special skills will be needed to race that beast.

[LoneWolf]

Unless you have 60-70k of discretionary income sitting around plus whatever insurance and registration is going to cost you every year, this seems like a huge waste of money. Far be it for me to tell others how to spend their entertainment dollars, I pay for Chiefs season tickets every year for fucks sake, but that is a shit load of money for something that is going to sit in the garage 80% of the time.

[Dunerdr]

Au contraire mon frere...

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/ferrari-599-gto-gets-dpe-wheels-photo-gallery_2.jpg

http://limitedslipblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/2011-frankfurt-lamborghini-gallardo-super-trofeo-stradale.jpg

http://www.hamann-me.com/images/Aerokit-LARGO.jpg

Those are super car-sports-cars- and a Mini Cooper competitor. Nice try.

[KC native]

There's no law about how fast you get to that speed limit. :D

Incorrect. Many jurisdictions have exhibition of speed laws so police can ticket people who launch hard or do burn outs on public streets.

[KC native]

There is actually, unreasonable acceleration. I was cited for it in high school

should have read the thread. doh

[Eleazar]

It is what it is, a heavy, shitty chassis, made by a company with a history of shitty workmanship. I didnt say it wasnt fast, or that it didnt have 4 seats. It will handle like a turd and the interior will be worn in no time, like all Chrysler products.

It's a Benz chassis

[TEX]

Au contraire mon frere...

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/ferrari-599-gto-gets-dpe-wheels-photo-gallery_2.jpg

http://limitedslipblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/2011-frankfurt-lamborghini-gallardo-super-trofeo-stradale.jpg

http://www.hamann-me.com/images/Aerokit-LARGO.jpg

So you're saying this is a MUSCLE CAR and has room for 4???

[TEX]

Unreasonable acceleration

Since when does Fun = Reason??? :shrug:

[TEX]

They already released the starting at price of $59k so who knows what 'starting at' means though. You'll probably get vinyl seats and no stereo for that price.

And the Dodge dealers are planning on selling them for more than sticker price since they will have a limited supply of them. So yeah you're probably right, I bet they sell for $70k+.

Yep. After dealer mark up. When the Shelby GT 500's first came out for the 2007 model year, dealers (Steelerships) were getting upwards of $80K! That was INSANE so I held off. There were supposed to be a limited run of just one year but Ford sold everyone they built so they increased production.

[BigBeauford]

It's a Benz chassis

The hell does that even mean?

http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2009/12/751428_1367906_1600_1200_09a1258.jpg

Benz chassis.

[KC native]

The hell does that even mean?



Benz chassis.

It means Ze Germans.

[BigBeauford]

It means Ze Germans.

People think Mercedes is gods gift to the world. Yes, they are a very innovative company, their cars a beautiful, but for the longest time in the late 90's and throughout the 2000's, they had some of the most horrendously unreliable cars in the business.

[Eleazar]

People think Mercedes is gods gift to the world. Yes, they are a very innovative company, their cars a beautiful, but for the longest time in the late 90's and throughout the 2000's, they had some of the most horrendously unreliable cars in the business.

The quoted post said basically "Dodge makes crap chassis", so it was pointed out that Dodge didn't make this one.

[KC native]

People think Mercedes is gods gift to the world. Yes, they are a very innovative company, their cars a beautiful, but for the longest time in the late 90's and throughout the 2000's, they had some of the most horrendously unreliable cars in the business.

Yes, if you're going to go German BMW>Audi>Mercedes

[Saccopoo]

Those are super car-sports-cars- and a Mini Cooper competitor. Nice try.

Those are Italian muscle cars.

Unless you aren't allowed to include cars that actually drive well outside of a 1/4 mile strip. Though, the Ferrari 599 GTO, pulling a 10.9 quarter mile, is respectable I think.

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[jonzie04]

I hate the trend cars are going. This cars a ****in turd. This bitch will probably run 12's. Ive seen so many 600 something hp or whatever Shelbys at the track running 14s its not even funny. The car probably weighs 5000 lbs. The breaks required to stop that pig won't allow a small enough rim to put a nice size tire on it. The rear end would probably grenade someone could actually get this army tank to hook. This car sucks. I just dont understand why everyone keeps making cars so freaking heavy with these giant ass 30 inch wheels.


Sucks there aren't any cars to use as transplants either as every smaller car is now fwd. People are still going to be racing 60s and 70s cars 30 years from now and fox body mustangs.

[Darien25]

I hate the trend cars are going. This cars a ****in turd. This bitch will probably run 12's. Ive seen so many 600 something hp or whatever Shelbys at the track running 14s its not even funny. The car probably weighs 5000 lbs. The breaks required to stop that pig won't allow a small enough rim to put a nice size tire on it. The rear end would probably grenade someone could actually get this army tank to hook. This car sucks. I just dont understand why everyone keeps making cars so freaking heavy with these giant ass 30 inch wheels.


Sucks there aren't any cars to use as transplants either as every smaller car is now fwd. People are still going to be racing 60s and 70s cars 30 years from now and fox body mustangs.


Yeah, the thing is slower than crap. Only ran a 10.85 quarter mile.

[jonzie04]

Yeah, the thing is slower than crap. Only ran a 10.85 quarter mile.

Quicker than I thought it would be. didn't think the car would hook that well..And speed is relative... 10.85 is not fast and neither is 126 mph out the back door. Especially for 700 hp.

Those times could be accomplished with less than 400 hp at 3000lbs. I just don't understand why companies keep building cars like the zl1 camaro, gt500, and this challenger with all this horsepower, that weigh a ton and dont hook worth a crap.

[Abba-Dabba]

I have a hard time even looking at the newer Challenger's as even Challenger's. So I could never drop 70K on a new Challenger. Just doesn't make sense to me.

If you looked hard enough. You could buy 2 very good older Challengers for that same price. That makes sense to me.

[Darien25]

Quicker than I thought it would be. didn't think the car would hook that well..And speed is relative... 10.85 is not fast and neither is 126 mph out the back door. Especially for 700 hp.

Those times could be accomplished with less than 400 hp at 3000lbs. I just don't understand why companies keep building cars like the zl1 camaro, gt500, and this challenger with all this horsepower, that weigh a ton and dont hook worth a crap.


I'm curious though what other cars you could purchase from the dealer with the Challenger's performance and in its price range. Personally, as I've gotten older, I have become less inclined to spend the time and energy required to produce my own muscle car and would rather just shell out the bucks to the dealer.

[Aspengc8]

I'm curious though what other cars you could purchase from the dealer with the Challenger's performance and in its price range. Personally, as I've gotten older, I have become less inclined to spend the time and energy required to produce my own muscle car and would rather just shell out the bucks to the dealer.

For the price dealers are going to put on that challenger, you can get a Nissan GTR which has less HP, a faster 0-60, faster 1320 and handles light years beter around the curvies. Stock tires too.. no drag radials needed lol.

[HemiEd]

Very entertaining thread, the more things change, the more they remain the same.

[Baby Lee]

Quicker than I thought it would be. didn't think the car would hook that well..And speed is relative... 10.85 is not fast and neither is 126 mph out the back door. Especially for 700 hp.

Those times could be accomplished with less than 400 hp at 3000lbs. I just don't understand why companies keep building cars like the zl1 camaro, gt500, and this challenger with all this horsepower, that weigh a ton and dont hook worth a crap.

Could be worse, $1.1M for the ugliest, heaviest, chintziest most slapdash 'supercar' ever.

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[Marcellus]

Quicker than I thought it would be. didn't think the car would hook that well..And speed is relative... 10.85 is not fast and neither is 126 mph out the back door. Especially for 700 hp.

Those times could be accomplished with less than 400 hp at 3000lbs. I just don't understand why companies keep building cars like the zl1 camaro, gt500, and this challenger with all this horsepower, that weigh a ton and dont hook worth a crap.

You are getting a bit carried away here. I get your point but 400Hp in a 3000lb car is running closer to 11.8 in the qtr. You need 500HP to get to 11 flat.

http://robrobinette.com/et.htm?weight=3000

The cars (Camaros and Challengers) are heavy and that's why they need 600-700HP to truly be quick.

700HP in a 3000lb car gets you into the 9's.

[KC native]

For the price dealers are going to put on that challenger, you can get a Nissan GTR which has less HP, a faster 0-60, faster 1320 and handles light years beter around the curvies. Stock tires too.. no drag radials needed lol.

:spock: The GTR is a $110K car now and isn't all that great on the curves (understeers due to the AWD).

[hometeam]

:spock: The GTR is a $110K car now and isn't all that great on the curves (understeers due to the AWD).

LOL, have you ever driven one? I have pushed one pretty hard and the car stuck to the road like glue.

At the time I was driving my 650 crank HP trans am as my weekend car, and got a chance to contrast and compare. My trans am was faster, but handled like a boat,( FULL suspension components on the T/A by the way) the GTR was a marvel of engineering, stuck to the road, and was still close to as fast as the T/A.

edit: Numberwise my all motor T/A making ~650 crank HP ran 10.8 on drag radials (not slicks) and skinnys, if that puts that argument into perspective.

[MahiMike]

Someone needs to bump the $4 gas thread.

[KC native]

LOL, have you ever driven one? I have pushed one pretty hard and the car stuck to the road like glue.

At the time I was driving my 650 crank HP trans am as my weekend car, and got a chance to contrast and compare. My trans am was faster, but handled like a boat,( FULL suspension components on the T/A by the way) the GTR was a marvel of engineering, stuck to the road, and was still close to as fast as the T/A.

edit: Numberwise my all motor T/A making ~650 crank HP ran 10.8 on drag radials (not slicks) and skinnys, if that puts that argument into perspective.

I don't disagree that the GTR is an engineering marvel. It is a fantastic car. It is also way overrated by a lot of people and not close to the bargain that it was when it was launched.

It's also possible for anyone to drive it hard and fast due to the engineering and computer assists.

[Aspengc8]

:spock: The GTR is a $110K car now and isn't all that great on the curves (understeers due to the AWD).

I wasn't even thinking about a new 2015 model, you can new 2014's for 90K easy or a 2012-2013 with less than 5k miles for 75-80. GTR is just more appealing to me coming from a subaru background and NY weather. If it handles anything like my STI then its definitely not 'overrated' in the twisties.

[KC native]

I wasn't even thinking about a new 2015 model, you can new 2014's for 90K easy or a 2012-2013 with less than 5k miles for 75-80. GTR is just more appealing to me coming from a subaru background and NY weather. If it handles anything like my STI then its definitely not 'overrated' in the twisties.

Are you aware of what the maintenance requirements and costs are for the GTR?

[Aspengc8]

Are you aware of what the maintenance requirements and costs are for the GTR?

I've looked through their maintenance manual before.. nothing I didn't expect for a car like that. When my daughters get a bit older, I'll get rid of my modified STI and pick up a used GTR. RWD fun car would be a waste where I am.

[KC native]

I've looked through their maintenance manual before.. nothing I didn't expect for a car like that. When my daughters get a bit older, I'll get rid of my modified STI and pick up a used GTR. RWD fun car would be a waste where I am.

Enjoy those $2000 transmission fluid changes.

[fairladyZ]

Enjoy those $2000 transmission fluid changes.

I've had several friends own GTR's and this is BS. Ya you CAN take it to the dealer and let them rape you on it and pay that. Or when you buy one you can get it included in the contract for the car.

Or anybody that appreciates and modifies the car like some people are saying in this thread you do it yourself for a couple hundred bucks.

Also i will say that the hellcat is a nice looking car and for the price compared to GTR's and ZL1's and Shelby's it's a steal. But they are boats for sure.

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for reference.

[Abba-Dabba]

Enjoy those $2000 transmission fluid changes.

Additional cost of ownership after MSRP weighs heavily in favor of the GT-R. GT-R is just cheaper to operate. I think 5yr costs on a Challenger are around 20k. While the GT-R's under 10K.

[Jiu Jitsu Jon]

For the price dealers are going to put on that challenger, you can get a Nissan GTR which has less HP, a faster 0-60, faster 1320 and handles light years beter around the curvies. Stock tires too.. no drag radials needed lol.

Sorry, the GTR does nothing for me. There's something to be said about the retro styling as well. I will probably never own a Hellcat. I could have an R/T or STR8, however. That's plenty of power for me, and if I decide it's not, I can always add a turbo charger, etc. I'm not looking to drive my car underneath trailers or other ill s**t.

[irocdave]

Man this thread brings back memories. The Hellcat is really cool and from reading multiple sources seems to get it done in a straight line. It puts the HP down, hard to do with IRS and front mounted engine. Much easier than FWD though, spent way to much time sitting in staging lanes waiting for clean up of FWD hand grenades. Hate those POS.

Comparing a 4 seat muscle car to a Lambo, Ferrari, MB AMG / Black anything, BMW M anything etc is just retarded. Europe doesn't build a car price wise that competes in the muscle car market. The EU cars are more sophisticated ( more times than not to the detriment of the driving experience) than the muscle car but they also have HORRIBLE reliability. Muscle cars = cheap and fast and usually reliable. EU and Asian supercars are none of the above.

I'm no mopar fan but love seeing this car make it to market. As with the Camaro it would be great if they could cut 500 pounds out of the overall weight. For you old timers that bitch about the weight, consider that the MFG's are mandated to provide strict crash test results ( also limits design), air bags, ABS and way more then your glory rod ever thought about having. Not to mention these things are being pitched to people that expect nav units, leather, power everything, sound deadening, AC, heated and cooled seats and the list goes on. This isnt 1971 anymore. MFG's cant build to 60's and 70's standards even if they wanted to.

[Darien25]

Another thing I like about the new Challenger is that it resembles American muscle from back in the good old days. Some of the GTR's look pretty good while others resemble the rice burners out of the old Fast and Furious movies and screw anything with a Subaru emblem on it.

[Miles]

I wasn't even thinking about a new 2015 model, you can new 2014's for 90K easy or a 2012-2013 with less than 5k miles for 75-80. GTR is just more appealing to me coming from a subaru background and NY weather. If it handles anything like my STI then its definitely not 'overrated' in the twisties.

You can't really compare a 2012 used car that is about to come off warranty to a new car. There will always be something better used at the same price point of a new model. This Hellcat is also a different case since everyone is assuming a 20k premium and agreed that it isn't worth that unless you are an enthusiasts.