Should the Texans have drafted Bortles instead of Clowney?

[Deberg_1990]

Figured I'd try my luck at one of these threads again.


Well, should they have?

[The Franchise]

Yes

[KCrockaholic]

New topic: Chiefs MNF Vs Patriots is the same day as the Royals in a World Series game. Which one do you watch more of?

[TribalElder]

Why was it named connect 4 instead of 4 in a row :shrug:

[TEX]

Figured I'd try my luck at one of these threads again.


Well, should they have?

Nope. JC is legit. He and Watt together are gonna be something. Id draft JC over Bortles every time.

[wazu]

New topic: Chiefs MNF Vs Patriots is the same day as the Royals in a World Series game. Which one do you watch more of?

I'll be physically at both, zip lining between the two stadiums as needed.

[Easy 6]

Yes.

Dude is Luck light.

[chiefs1111]

Yup....

[Dave Lane]

Most Chiefs fans don't understand a QB actually can help you win games. They don't have to be someone elses trash.

[KCrockaholic]

Most Chiefs fans don't understand a QB actually can help you win games. They don't have to be someone elses garbage trash.

Most Chiefs fans think QB is a plug and play position. Just give him the BEST OL in the NFL and GREAT receivers. And they'll be an all-star.

[Deberg_1990]

Most Chiefs fans don't understand a QB actually can help you win games. They don't have to be someone elses trash.

Who was the Bortles of last years draft?




*Crickets*

[Lex Luthor]

New topic: Chiefs MNF Vs Patriots is the same day as the Royals in a World Series game. Which one do you watch more of?

Hmmm. Let's see. We've gone 29 years since the last time the Royals were in a World Series. They may never play in another one in our lifetimes.

The Chiefs played 16 regular season games last year, and they'll play 16 this year, and 16 next year, and 16 every year after that.

Silly question.

[Lex Luthor]

Who was the Bortles of last years draft?




*Crickets*

Exactly. It doesn't do any good to want a quarterback when there isn't a decent one available.

[ThaVirus]

I'd have taken Clowney.

[ThaVirus]

Positional value be damned, Clowney is a generational talent.

[jd1020]

Who was the Bortles of last years draft?




*Crickets*

Must be nice to limit the year to the one year the Chiefs don't draft a QB, right?

[listopencil]

Why was it named connect 4 instead of 4 in a row :shrug:

Because it doesn't have to be in a row. It can be in a column or diagonally.

[TribalElder]

Because it doesn't have to be in a row. It can be in a column or diagonally.

Dude

Aliens

[Tribal Warfare]

I would definitely see why since the kid has everything you look for in a Franchise QB

[Easy 6]

I'd have taken Clowney.

Its a very tight call, Clowney might just be the new Lawrence Taylor.

But comparing defensive value to QB these days is tough to do

[BigCatDaddy]

Yeah, they were morons. Franchise QB over even a HOF DE.

[jonzie04]

No. You do not pass on a once in a lifetime caliber prospect at the second most important position in the game, unless you have a pretty badass qb prospect like Cam Newton, or Luck.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Look at the 2011 Colts vs. the 2010 Colts or the 2008 Patriots vs the 2007 Patriots.

Can you imagine a single defensive player whose absence would ever cause such a precipitous decline?

[jd1020]

Look at the 2011 Colts vs. the 2010 Colts or the 2008 Patriots vs the 2007 Patriots.


Can we not talk about that?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Way too early for this shit

[listopencil]

Dude

Aliens

Well, yeah. Aliens too. That goes without saying.

[OldSchool]

Nope. Clowney is a once in a generation talent. You'd be an idiot to pass on that.

[salame]

yes

[lcarus]

New topic: Chiefs MNF Vs Patriots is the same day as the Royals in a World Series game. Which one do you watch more of?

That's the night the Chiefs go for the sound record isn't it? Maybe the extra noise from the K will help out lol

[kysirsoze]

New topic: Chiefs MNF Vs Patriots is the same day as the Royals in a World Series game. Which one do you watch more of?

The Chiefs will have plenty of Monday nights to lose to New England. The Royals might not make it back to the WS in my lifetime. Royals all the way. (Following the Chiefs getting killed via twitter)

[Eleazar]

2014 - Bortles (?)
2013 - (none)
2012 - Luck, Wilson, maybe Foles
2011 - Newton, Dalton
2010 - Bradford
2009 - Stafford
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - (none)
2006 - Cutler
2005 - Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers

So in the last 10 drafts we have about 13 guys out of a total of 54 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds who have stuck around or look like they will be able to stick around as starters.

It's no wonder a third of the league is QB-poor, because history tells us there is usually about 1 guy in each draft who will make it. Injuries or just not being good enough will claim the rest.

It's a sucker bet, but unless you convert one you can't realistically expect to win anything.

[ChiliConCarnage]

In hindsight, yes, it looks like they should have taken Bortles. At the time of the draft, I understand why it would have been difficult to pass on a freak like Clowney.

[Tribal Warfare]

2014 - Bortles (?)
2013 - (none)
2012 - Luck, Wilson, maybe Foles
2011 - Newton, Dalton
2010 - Bradford
2009 - Stafford
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - (none)
2006 - Cutler
2005 - Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers

So in the last 10 drafts we have about 13 guys out of a total of 54 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds who have stuck around or look like they will be able to stick around as starters.

It's no wonder a third of the league is QB-poor, because history tells us there is usually about 1 guy in each draft who will make it. Injuries or just not being good enough will claim the rest.

It's a sucker bet, but unless you convert one you can't realistically expect to win anything.


You forgot Tannehill

[Bufkin]

You forgot Tannehill
Tannehill has mediocrity written all over him. He's the exact type of "franchise QB" that I've always feared. Not terrible enough to try out another quarterback for the next 10 years, but not great enough to provide consistent success.

[baitism]

Maybe wait until the season is over and re-visit this....

[RealSNR]

Bet the Rams feel even dumber for putting long-term faith in Bradford

[BigBeauford]

Tannehill has mediocrity written all over him. He's the exact type of "franchise QB" that I've always feared. Not terrible enough to try out another quarterback for the next 10 years, but not great enough to provide consistent success.

For a second there, I thought you were talking about A. Smith.

[Bufkin]

For a second there, I thought you were talking about A. Smith.
They are similar in that regard.

[John Dope]

No

[Prison Bitch]

Look at the 2011 Colts vs. the 2010 Colts or the 2008 Patriots vs the 2007 Patriots.

Can you imagine a single defensive player whose absence would ever cause such a precipitous decline?

Nonsense, you're talking about the extreme ends of the spectrum. Manning & Brady aren't typical QBs, they're HOFers. We're talking Blake Bortles here.



Besides, even Matt Cassel won 11 games for 2008 Patriots did he not?

[GoChargers]

As much as I like Clowney, in today's flag-football NFL, you're better off trying to get the next glory-boy quarterback who can draw favorable ref treatment than trying to build a dominant defense and settling for a game-manager QB.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You forgot Tannehill

No he didn't

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Bet the Rams feel even dumber for putting long-term faith in Bradford

Ramsfan leapt off the Arch last night.

[Mav]

No.

they should of done one of two things.

they should of moved UP one spot to grab Teddy.

Clowney and TEDDY?

Or drafted Jimmy grappalo.

I would of still taken Clowney.

he has proven to be unblockable.

[beach tribe]

Why was it named connect 4 instead of 4 in a row :shrug:

Rhode Island

Neither a road nor island.

[Mav]

2014 - Bortles (?)
2013 - (none)
2012 - Luck, Wilson, maybe Foles
2011 - Newton, Dalton, KAEPERNICK
2010 - Bradford
2009 - Stafford
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - (none)
2006 - Cutler
2005 - Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers

So in the last 10 drafts we have about 13 guys out of a total of 54 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds who have stuck around or look like they will be able to stick around as starters.

It's no wonder a third of the league is QB-poor, because history tells us there is usually about 1 guy in each draft who will make it. Injuries or just not being good enough will claim the rest.

It's a sucker bet, but unless you convert one you can't realistically expect to win anything.
BOLDED

[milkman]

Rhode Island

Neither a road nor island.

That's fucking terrible.

[Just Passin' By]

Rhode Island

Neither a road nor island.


Rhode Island was another name for Aquidneck island.

[Mr. Laz]

we probably should have traded back and drafted Bridgewater.

and traded Alex Smith,Jamaal Charles,Dewayne Bowe,Tamba Hali and any other veteran we could get a draft pick for

If you are going to rebuild ...

then fucking rebuild

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Nonsense, you're talking about the extreme ends of the spectrum. Manning & Brady aren't typical QBs, they're HOFers. We're talking Blake Bortles here.



Besides, even Matt Cassel won 11 games for 2008 Patriots did he not?

If Clowney ends up with 180 sacks he still wouldn't be as valuable to a team as Phil Rivers, even if he's a much better football player. That's just the way the game is played.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

If Clowney ends up with 180 sacks he still wouldn't be as valuable to a team as Phil Rivers, even if he's a much better football player. That's just the way the game is played.

Pretty much.

[Rausch]

Absolutely...

[Boiled Chicken]

New topic: Chiefs MNF Vs Patriots is the same day as the Royals in a World Series game. Which one do you watch more of?

Don't mean to be a stick in the mud, but aren't World Series games in October?

[Deberg_1990]

Yes

[TLO]

You bastard.

[OldSchool]

No, Bortles would just lose games for them. He has thrown 2 INTs in every game that he has played so far.

They should tank for Mariota though.

[cmh6476]

I'd rather draft Bortles than read another DeBerg thread

[BigCatDaddy]

No, Bortles would just lose games for them. He has thrown 2 INTs in every game that he has played so far.

They should tank for Mariota though.

Is this post serious? It seems like it is, but I can't believe anybody is that stupid.

[ChiefsCountry]

Is this post serious? It seems like it is, but I can't believe anybody is that stupid.

Alex Smith Cult Member

[OldSchool]

Is this post serious? It seems like it is, but I can't believe anybody is that stupid.

So Bortles doesn't have 6 INTs in 3 games?:)

[BigCatDaddy]

Alex Smith Cult Member

Oh, I'm aware and they are an odd bunch which if why I wasn't 100% sure if he was trolling with the writing off Bortles stuff or really that dumb.

[Kaepernick]

No. When these guys are on the field healthy together, it is going to be Mayhem. People will get hurt.

1.1 seemed way too high for Bortles. I don't think he is the best QB prospect in the draft, but who knows?

[Kaepernick]

2014 - Bortles (?)
2013 - (none)
2012 - Luck, Wilson, maybe Foles
2011 - Newton, Dalton, Kaepernick
2010 - Bradford
2009 - Stafford
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - (none)
2006 - Cutler
2005 - Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers

So in the last 10 drafts we have about 13 guys out of a total of 54 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds who have stuck around or look like they will be able to stick around as starters.

It's no wonder a third of the league is QB-poor, because history tells us there is usually about 1 guy in each draft who will make it. Injuries or just not being good enough will claim the rest.

It's a sucker bet, but unless you convert one you can't realistically expect to win anything.

FIXED THAT for you.

[Mav]

No. But they should of drafted jimmy groppalo with the first pick in the second.

[Mav]

FIXED THAT for you.
Yah... I fixed that over two months ago.

[GoChargers]

No, Bortles would just lose games for them. He has thrown 2 INTs in every game that he has played so far.

They should tank for Mariota though.

Gotta love the Alexsexuals. When a young potential franchise QB like Bortles throws picks on an absolute garbage team, it's all his fault, but when their beloved Alex throws picks on stacked teams, then it's all the coach and the recievers' faults.

[Kaepernick]

Kaepernick ---- 60.7% completions, 4.8% TDs, 1.9% Ints, 93.3 passer rating in 32 starts.

Cam Newton -- 59.9% completions, 4.3% TDs, 2.7% Ints, 87.1 passer rating in 53 starts.

Andy Dalton -- 61.1% completions, 4.8% TDs, 2.9% Ints, 86.6 passer rating in 55 starts.

Ryan Tannehill - not worth the bother to post



Kaepernick is the best QB drafted in 2011. He performs the best with the least experience, 20 less starts than the other two.



And that is just stats, not the intangibles.

Biggest comeback victory in the history of the NFC Conference Championship game.

Longest rushing TD by a QB in the super bowl.

Longest run from scrimmage by a QB in a playoff game.

Most rushing yards from scrimmage by a QB in a playoff game.

[Mav]

Gotta love the Alexsexuals. When a young potential franchise QB like Bortles throws picks on an absolute garbage team, it's all his fault, but when their beloved Alex throws picks on stacked teams, then it's all the coach and the recievers' faults.
Gotta love Alex haters, no one gave Alex a pass then. He was very much bashed because the majority of fans then wanted the local kid Rodgers.

He got no passes.

And pointing out exactly what Bortles is doing is just what it is. Facts.


And when was alex Smith ever on a stacked team? Ever!

[Mav]

Kaepernick ---- 60.7% completions, 4.8% TDs, 1.9% Ints, 93.3 passer rating

Cam Newton -- 59.9% completions, 4.3% TDs, 2.7% Ints, 87.1 passer rating

Andy Dalton -- 61.1% completions, 4.8% TDs, 2.9% Ints, 86.6 passer rating

Ryan Tannehill - not worth the bother to post



Kaepernick is the best QB drafted in 2011.
Dumbass. Tannenhill wasn't in that fucking draft retard.

[GoChargers]

Gotta love Alex haters, no one gave Alex a pass then.
He was given the "offensive coordinator" excuse every single season.

And when was alex Smith ever on a stacked team? Ever!
2011 and 2012.

[Mav]

He was given the "offensive coordinator" excuse every single season.


2011 and 2012.
That's not an excuse. That's a logical reason for a qb to struggle. Being drafted to a shit team and having too much pressure is a reason, not an excuse.

The 2011, 2012 offenses were not stacked. Secondly, um he didn't throw many ints at all. So you fail there boss.

[Eleazar]

Yeah, but if Clowney works out, imagine having both those guys in your pass rush. Pretty scary.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Most Chiefs fans think QB is a plug and play position. Just give him the BEST OL in the NFL and GREAT receivers. And they'll be an all-star.

Don't forget the 5 tight ends!

[Titty Meat]

No but they should have drafted Guarapolo instead of a guard round 2

[beach tribe]

If Clowney ends up with 180 sacks he still wouldn't be as valuable to a team as Phil Rivers, even if he's a much better football player. That's just the way the game is played.
Yup

[BigMeatballDave]

No. But they should of drafted jimmy groppalo with the first pick in the second.No but they should have drafted Guarapolo instead of a guard round 2



LOL Why does everyone seem to struggle spelling Garoppolo?

[Mav]

LOL Why does everyone seem to struggle spelling Garoppolo?
I'm on my phone.....

[Easy 6]

So Bortles doesn't have 6 INTs in 3 games?:)

Bortles is the new Roethlisberger and nothing you say can change that, I'd trade away my whole flippin draft for that guy.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Bortles is the new Roethlisberger and nothing you say can change that, I'd trade away my whole flippin draft for that guy.

Too much talent and potential for KC.

Do not want.

[Easy 6]

Too much talent and potential for KC.

Do not want.

LMAO I love the idea of Bray developing into something as much as anyone not named Tomahawk... but yeah, I'd trade all 4 of our guys for Bortles.

[sedated]

What great QBs have the Chiefs passed on in the 1st round? Sanchez?

Only one I can think of was Flacco, and its tough to get a consensus on whether he's better than Alex Smith.

Brees, Dalton, Kaep, etc were all 2nd round picks and 2nd round QBs are even bigger long-shots than 1st rounders.

[BossChief]

They only won 2 games WITH JJ WATT.

You think they would learn...

OF COURSE THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN BORTLES!

[RealSNR]

LOL Why does everyone seem to struggle spelling Garoppolo?

One step at a time.

Let's get everybody to correctly spell "Hemingway" and "Daniel" before we move onto the next grade.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

OMG preseason!!!

3 more INTs for Bortles

[OldSchool]

OMG preseason!!!

3 more INTs for Bortles

QB1!ROFL

Bortles wasn't even the best QB in his class.

[Easy 6]

Rookie QB on a bad team is struggling?

SHOCKING.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

When you become a Chiefs fan, do you get an instant Matrix-jack program entitled, "QB retard"?

[BigCatDaddy]

When you become a Chiefs fan, do you get an instant Matrix-jack program entitled, "QB retard"?

Old ass is just trolling. If not, he would have been calling for Manning to be released as a rookie.

[Deberg_1990]

What great QBs have the Chiefs passed on in the 1st round? Sanchez?

Only one I can think of was Flacco, and its tough to get a consensus on whether he's better than Alex Smith.

Brees, Dalton, Kaep, etc were all 2nd round picks and 2nd round QBs are even bigger long-shots than 1st rounders.

Not many. Only Rodgers

[Tribal Warfare]

Old ass is just trolling. If not, he would have been calling for Manning to be released as a rookie.

Aikman or Elway too

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Old ass is just trolling. If not, he would have been calling for Manning to be released as a rookie.

What year is this?

[BigCatDaddy]

Not many. Only Rodgers

That argument is stupid. In any given year what are there 4-5 teams that would even be willing to draft a QB in round 1 based on not needing one or investing a high round pick in one in the previous year or 2. Then you have to figure how many of those 4-5 draft after draft after the Chiefs that year... what 2 maybe?

It's also retarded justifying not taking a great QB in a high round because well nobody else took him so high so that makes it okay to pass :facepalm: You know Dalton, Brees, Kaep, Wilson, Foles didn't go in round 1 so it's okay for us to not take them and take some slappy at another position.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

2 more INTs

Crown him!