Grantland Rates Chiefs OL as Worst in the NFL

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Here is the excerpt covering the Chiefs:

Considering this, the Jets’ worst-case scenario, got me thinking about who actually does have the weakest position groups in the NFL, taking season-ending injuries and the like into account. This isn’t an attempt to rag on teams for the sake of doing it, but just to take stock, a week before the season starts, of what areas teams might have the most trouble in when the games get going.

Kansas City Chiefs, offensive line

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Since last season ended, Kansas City has said good-bye to its three best linemen. In a group of five guys, that’s typically not good. Geoff Schwartz got a nice deal from the Giants. Left tackle Branden Albert, long rumored to become a Dolphin eventually, is one now. And Jon Asamoah left to give the Falcons some much-needed interior line help.

That gives the Chiefs a starting five, from left to right, of Eric Fisher, Zach Fulton, Rodney Hudson, Jeff Allen, and Donald Stephenson — and Stephenson is suspended for the first four games of the season for PED use.

Fisher was the first pick in last year’s draft, and he had a really hard time as a rookie, even with less responsibility, over at right tackle. He’ll be in the big chair over on the left side this year, where more questions will be asked of him. It’s almost guaranteed he’ll be a significant downgrade from Albert. The Chiefs will also start sixth-round pick Fulton. Starting a sixth-round rookie can be spun one of two ways: Either you hit a home run late, or you have no better options. It’s typically the latter.

Kansas City’s offense is built around Jamaal Charles, but last year, having an above-average line (when Schwartz took over) certainly helped. Surviving turnover is typically a challenge for most lines, but surviving it with inferior talent is even tougher.

In the running: Jaguars, Seahawks, Bucs

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-weakest-link-a-look-at-the-worst-position-groups-in-the-nfl/

[The Franchise]

I think that before the Mankins trade....the Bucs might have had the worst o-line.

Question: Would you have traded a 3rd for Mankins?

[dirk digler]

Not surprising at all. I predict this OL will be one of if not the worst OL ever in Chiefs franchise history.

[Red Dawg]

It will be the worst for sure. The youngest most inexperienced group will always be the worst. This unit is where Dorsey has failed so far. Instead of hunting down sorry ass cast off wide outs he should have been getting decent OL help.

[KC native]

Hooray for drafting Fisher with our 1.1 pick last year.

[Hammock Parties]

It's a conspiracy to not pay Alex and get us in position for Mariota.

Happy days are here again.

[BlackHelicopters]

Damn allergies.

[The Franchise]

Hooray for drafting Fisher with our 1.1 pick last year.

We're fucking stuck with him for another 2 years. No chance they cut him with that guaranteed contract. Just wait until he hasn't improved and his cap hit is $7M.

[htismaqe]

It's a conspiracy to not pay Alex and get us in position for Mariota.

Happy days are here again.

And when they give Smith a 5-year deal?

[dirk digler]

Also if the OL is historically bad how does that change the evaluation of Alex Smith and whether or not he should get a new deal?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The youth of the line has little to do with it. Almost every starter fucking sucks at football.

[Hammock Parties]

The youth of the line has little to do with it. Almost every starter fucking sucks at football.

Yeah but every player who has ever sucked for this team "just needs time."

[notorious]

Have you guys forgotten about Black and the other piles of shit we had a few years ago?


Our line is not going to be good, but to say they are going to be the worst is insane.

[Hammock Parties]

Also if the OL is historically bad how does that change the evaluation of Alex Smith and whether or not he should get a new deal?

You don't extend a QB who just led you to 5 wins.

And his stat line is almost assured to be putrid. This is a guy who completes 60 percent of his passes during a good season.

[Hammock Parties]

And when they give Smith a 5-year deal?

I'll burn my Chiefs flag.

And I'm not fucking kidding.

[notorious]

And when they give Smith a 5-year deal?

No way.







It will be a 4 year deal.

;)

[John Dope]

I don't care if they are the worst as long as we win. We shouldn't need a good o-line to run our offense effectively. In truth we only lost one o-linemen who was about a "B" grade player.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Anytime you can let a rock solid left tackle just walk away to piss away a pick on that position at 1 overall you just have to do it!

[Titty Meat]

" It's only March "

[ChiefsCountry]

All the stupid cunts who wanted Albert gone and draft a left tackle deserve this fucking line.

[Nightfyre]

I think that before the Mankins trade....the Bucs might have had the worst o-line.

Question: Would you have traded a 3rd for Mankins?

No. Mankins is on the decline. Also, he's a guard. Also, giving up a third round pick for a guy who has a giant contract and doesn't significantly improve our chances of winning any games this year.

[Hammock Parties]

All the stupid cunts who wanted Albert gone and draft a left tackle deserve this fucking line.

Yep.

Although I'll take jettisoning Albert if it means Smith gets injured or has a shit season, or both, and that results in Mariota.

NO PRICE is too high for a R1QB now.

I'LL FUCKING BURN THE ENTIRE TEAM IF IT GETS A FIRST ROUND FUCKING QUARTERBACK IN HERE.

[Titty Meat]

The funny thing is the offensive line isn't even the worst unit of the team. Where's that fuckhead Sac to tell us how good our safeties are and how Sorenson is a stud.

[John Dope]

All the stupid ****s who wanted Albert gone and draft a left tackle deserve this ****ing line.

Tell the whole story. It came down to Albert or Blowe. 90%+ of the fans wanted Blowe. I bet you were one of them.

[duncan_idaho]

I don't care if they are the worst as long as we win. We shouldn't need a good o-line to run our offense effectively. In truth we only lost one o-linemen who was about a "B" grade player.

LOL at the level of homer-ism displayed here.

Albert and Schwartz were both above-average at their positions. But even if you grade them as "B" players, the problem is that they were replaced with "F" players.

[John Dope]

No. Mankins is on the decline. Also, he's a guard. Also, giving up a third round pick for a guy who has a giant contract and doesn't significantly improve our chances of winning any games this year.

Yep, he gave up 8 sacks in the last six games last year.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Our line is as good as Blackbob is a poster....we fucked!

[ChiefsCountry]

Where's that ****head Sac to tell us how good our safeties are and how Sorenson is a stud.

Sac has his head up Sorenson's ass is because he played at BYU. Same reason for Alex Smith because he played at Utah.

[The Franchise]

The funny thing is the offensive line isn't even the worst unit of the team. Where's that fuckhead Sac to tell us how good our safeties are and how Sorenson is a stud.

He's busy typing up his manifesto about why we should be signing Cody Hoffman right now.

[Nightfyre]

Yep, he gave up 8 sacks in the last six games last year.

I must now reconsider my position given that I am in agreement with bob.

[John Dope]

LOL at the level of homer-ism displayed here.

Albert and Schwartz were both above-average at their positions. But even if you grade them as "B" players, the problem is that they were replaced with "F" players.

Schwartz wasn't even the starter. He was a back up. I think you're the homer for thinking he was so good. My point is that they weren't that great last year. We have a mobile QB, we run a lot of screens and throw to our RB more than anyone other team. We can get by with an average o-line.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I can't believe a NFL team is about to go into a season with a unit like this.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Schwartz was damn good last year. It was a loss. Cmon Bob they dropped the fucking ball by trying to cheap up on the line.

[The Franchise]

Schwartz wasn't even the starter. He was a back up. I think you're the homer for thinking he was so good. My point is that they weren't that great last year. We have a mobile QB, we run a lot of screens and throw to our RB more than anyone other team. We can get by with an average o-line.

Schwartz didn't start last year? Really?

[L.A. Chieffan]

Schwartz is already hurt, Albert was going to be way too expensive for us to keep so basically we are all supposed to riot because Jon Asamoah isn't here.

[Ming the Merciless]

I can't believe a NFL team is about to go into a season with a unit like this.

this

its fucking sad, and was like a slow motion train wreck watching this "plan" come to fruition as we let our offensive line just walk out the door to be replaced by children

[dls6501]

This line is a joke.

[Ming the Merciless]

Schwartz is already hurt, Albert was going to be way too expensive for us to keep so basically we are all supposed to riot because Jon Asamoah isn't here.

Can you explain how we were supposed to know that schwartz was going to be hurt?

Or how dropping a 1.1 on Fischer was going to be cheaper in the long run than just signing albert to a lonng term deal 2 years ago?

Dont you think fischer at 1.1 would be way more expensive in terms of both money and lost opportunity cost in the long term, if he pans out?

[The Franchise]

Schwartz is already hurt, Albert was going to be way too expensive for us to keep so basically we are all supposed to riot because Jon Asamoah isn't here.

Because, as you know, injuries are going to happen no matter where you're at. It's a given that Schwartz would have been injured had he stayed in KC.

[htismaqe]

We can get by with an average o-line.

They're not average, Bob.

[Sandy Vagina]

Also if the OL is historically bad how does that change the evaluation of Alex Smith and whether or not he should get a new deal?

Other QBs are excused for not having good lines... but not Smith. So there... :p

If the OL and receivers end up bottom 5, and Alex sucks... then Alex sucks.. because he was not able to overcome what few if any QBs could. :thumb:

[L.A. Chieffan]

Schwartz has had known injury issues, even if he had stayed he'd probably be hurt and he's a backup anyways. Not going to lose any sleep over Schwartz

[htismaqe]

Can you explain how we were supposed to know that schwartz was going to be hurt?

Or how dropping a 1.1 on Fischer was going to be cheaper in the long run than just signing albert to a lonng term deal 2 years ago?

Dont you think fischer at 1.1 would be way more expensive in terms of both money and lost opportunity cost in the long term, if he pans out?

He's GUARANTEED $13M over the next two seasons. If they re-sign him, he'll be making almost EXACTLY what people didn't want to pay Albert.

[John Dope]

They're not average, Bob.

Not in the preseason I guess. Winning is all that matters.

[jd1020]

Well, now I'm depressed.

[Hammock Parties]

This team is a joke.

FYP

[htismaqe]

Other QBs are excused for not having good lines... but not Smith. So there... :p

If the OL and receivers end up bottom 5, and Alex sucks... then Alex sucks.. because he was not able to overcome what few if any QBs could. :thumb:

Fortunately, coaches and GMs don't evaluate players the way we do.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Albert is gone, get over it.

[Coogs]

At least we are in the same boat as Seattle.

[jd1020]

Fortunately, coaches and GMs don't evaluate players the way we do.

With Dorsey's brief track record, that might not be a good thing.

[John Dope]

Schwartz didn't start last year? Really?

He started like seven games after Asamoah got hurt. He played well enough to keep the job but, he wasn't the starter from the get go. He was about a sliver better than Asamoah.

[The Franchise]

Schwartz has had known injury issues, even if he had stayed he'd probably be hurt and he's a backup anyways. Not going to lose any sleep over Schwartz

Such as?

Dude spent one year on IR in 2011. Other than that.....he's been just fine.

[The Franchise]

He started like seven games after Asamoah got hurt. He played wee enough to keep the job but, he wasn't the starter from the get go.

Sucked your Uncle's dick lately, Bob?

[John Dope]

Fortunately, coaches and GMs don't evaluate players the way we do.

Yes, we are very fortunate for that. Good post.

[Ming the Merciless]

Albert is gone, get over it.

thats your genious analysis of the actual cost of ALbert VS Fisher?

You are a fag

[Sandy Vagina]

With Dorsey's brief track record, that might not be a good thing.

Yeah! His took a 2-14 team to 11-5! What an incompetent asshole! :)

[John Dope]

Sucked your Uncle's dick lately, Bob?

LOL, fuck you man. I'm not bob.

Is that how you seriously respond after looking stupid because you didn't know Schwartz wasn't the starter all year? What a little bitch.

[Ming the Merciless]

He's GUARANTEED $13M over the next two seasons. If they re-sign him, he'll be making almost EXACTLY what people didn't want to pay Albert.

Bingo.

So basically we just tread water with a possibly worse player for the same money and lose a 1.1 pick..

A historic 1st overall pick we could have used to pick any player in the draft.



Because we are the chiefs!

[jd1020]

Yeah! His took a 2-14 team to 11-5! What an incompetent asshole! :)

Teams looking sharp now!

Must be rough inheriting a team with a bunch of probowlers and getting a QB that's a slight bit more competent than Cassel.

[htismaqe]

He started like seven games after Asamoah got hurt. He played well enough to keep the job but, he wasn't the starter from the get go. He was about a sliver better than Asamoah.

And both of them have more strength in their pinky toe than Zach Fulton has in his entire body.

If there's one thing you CAN gauge in preseason, it's whether or not a guy is physically suited to play in the NFL.

Zach Fulton isn't. Plain and simple.

[htismaqe]

Yes, we are very fortunate for that. Good post.

Just remember that it goes both ways. They may have very well saw an Alex Smith that wasn't deserving of an extension in the 2nd half of last season, even when we thought he was playing lights out.

[Sandy Vagina]

Teams looking sharp now!

preseason judgments FTW!!!

He absolutely should have done more for the OL and WR groups.. but all of this doom and gloom is indisputably premature.

[dirk digler]

You don't extend a QB who just led you to 5 wins.

And his stat line is almost assured to be putrid. This is a guy who completes 60 percent of his passes during a good season.

I don't know about that. I am no Smith homer but if he is running for his life every passing play you can't really fault him. I looked up last year he had 39 sacks I bet he gets over 50 this year, if he makes it through the whole season that is.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Gimme a break...Albert got $25 mil guaranteed. There is NO way chiefs could have afforded him.

[Ming the Merciless]

preseason judgments FTW!!!

He absolutely should have done more for the OL and WR groups.. but all of this doom and gloom is indisputably premature.

yes lets wait until after the season is over to make our predictions guys

because "sandy cheeks" said so

[jd1020]

preseason judgments FTW!!!

He absolutely should have done more for the OL and WR groups.. but all of this doom and gloom is indisputably premature.

Just WR and OL?

Literally every hole the Chiefs had wasn't acknowledged in any way.

[Sandy Vagina]

Just remember that it goes both ways. They may have very well saw an Alex Smith that wasn't deserving of an extension in the 2nd half of last season, even when we thought he was playing lights out.

I think maybe they overestimated Smith's team-first generosity... just as it looks like I have. Alex may be a little too willing to allow his pig of an agent full control.

[Ming the Merciless]

Gimme a break...Albert got $25 mil guaranteed. There is NO way chiefs could have afforded him.

so we cant afford albert but we can afford to get a 1.1 left tackle and then pay him even MORE money if he is actually decent?

Youre telling me locking up albert in like 2012 was more expensive than whatever fisher is going to cost, if fisher turns into what they said he was?

[John Dope]

Just remember that it goes both ways. They may have very well saw an Alex Smith that wasn't deserving of an extension in the 2nd half of last season, even when we thought he was playing lights out.

Andy Reid wouldn't say he "is confident a deal with get done with Alex" about 500 times if that were the case.

Reality man.... come to reality....

[Eleazar]

I'll never understand why they let Schwartz go.

[Ming the Merciless]

I'll never understand why they let Schwartz go.

Because they knew he was going to be injured


/ L.A. ChiefsFluffer

[htismaqe]

Gimme a break...Albert got $25 mil guaranteed. There is NO way chiefs could have afforded him.

Eric Fisher got $22M guaranteed. You do know that right?

[dirk digler]

Have you guys forgotten about Black and the other piles of shit we had a few years ago?


Our line is not going to be good, but to say they are going to be the worst is insane.

When Black was here we still had Will Shields, Waters and Weigman. This is going to be a trainwreck.

[alpha_omega]

At this point...i am having a hard time getting upset about this anymore. that will probably change a week from sunday.

[htismaqe]

Andy Reid wouldn't say he "is confident a deal with get done with Alex" about 500 times if that were the case.

Reality man.... come to reality....

Gimme a break.

Coaches say whatever they want when it fits the narrative.

THAT is reality.

Just like last week when Doug Pederson said Eric Fisher was struggling with technique and his shoulder was fine while Andy Heck was AT THE SAME TIME telling everybody Eric Fisher was struggling with his shoulder and his technique was fine.

[Sandy Vagina]

Just WR and OL?

Literally every hole the Chiefs had wasn't acknowledged in any way.


How do you figure that?

Abdullah should easily be better than Kendrick.

Added what should be quality rush LB depth, so last year's injuries don't hurt us again as they did.

Gaines is in the mold of the CBs they like and will have need for. Owens is a better NCB than was what's his face.

DAT should make McC a short memory.

I would have done things differently... but other than adding a quality OL and WR via FA or early draft... they did what they could under the cap limitations they had. I wouldn't have signed some of those FAs they did either.. but the world is an imperfect bitch.

[FringeNC]

I honestly don't think the line will be any worse than it was at the beginning of the season last year. THAT was one of the worst O-lines I can remember seeing. The difference by the end of the season was remarkable.

[RealSNR]

Can't afford Branden Albert.

We CAN, however, afford Dustin Colquitt's $20 million contract, Bowe's $50 million, Sean Smith's $20 million, as well as overpriced deals to backups Chase Daniel and Vance Walker.

[jd1020]

How do you figure that?

Abdullah should easily be better than Kendrick.

Added what should be quality rush LB depth, so last year's injuries don't hurt us again as they did.

Gaines is in the mold of the CBs they like and will have need for. Owens is a better NCB than was what's his face.

DAT should make McC a short memory.

I would have done things differently... but other than adding a quality OL and WR via FA or early draft... they did what they could under the cap limitations they had. I wouldn't have signed some of those FAs they did either.. but the world is an imperfect bitch.

Abduallah was already on the team.

Ford isn't going to be on the field and OLB wasn't a hole.

Gaines isn't going to be on the field.

DAT hasn't really shown anything on the field beyond a punt return. Something McCluster was really, really good at last season.

[srvy]

Asamoah was not in our top 3 lineman last year. The guy sucked and needed to be gone. Schwartz needed to be retained that was a crime to let him walk. Fisher should have been put on IR last year when he struggled with the shoulder and move to RT. Now his confidence is murdered and shoulder shot.

Because Chiefs.

[MMXcalibur]

Can't afford Branden Albert.

We CAN, however, afford Dustin Colquitt's $20 million contract, Bowe's $50 million, Sean Smith's $20 million, as well as overpriced deals to backups Chase Daniel and Vance Walker.

Add it all up and you get a championship!

[Eleazar]

I honestly don't think the line will be any worse than it was at the beginning of the season last year. THAT was one of the worst O-lines I can remember seeing. The difference by the end of the season was remarkable.

And all year we're going to have to listen on ChiefsPlanet to people saying it's Alex Smith's fault when the line is the worst in the league. Just like the beginning of last year.

[htismaqe]

Abduallah was already on the team.

And couldn't beat out Kendrick fucking Lewis.

[Sandy Vagina]

Abduallah was already on the team.

Ford isn't going to be on the field and OLB wasn't a hole.

Gaines isn't going to be on the field.

DAT hasn't really shown anything on the field beyond a punt return. Something McCluster was really, really good at last season.

if anyone else wants to try to break through this thick head, be my guest... I'm not missing out on some sleep before tonight's festivities... :doh!:

[notorious]

JD, you need to take it easy.


You are already shitting on the rookies who have yet to play one down in a real NFL game?

[jd1020]

JD, you need to take it easy.


You are already shitting on the rookies who have yet to play one down in a real NFL game?

Not shitting on them.

They simply aren't going to be on the field. Ford has been terrible this preseason and OLB wasn't exactly a pressing need this year.

WR was. Secondary was. OL was, after he watched half the line walk out the door.

[Ming the Merciless]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/06/gay_dance.gifI'm not missing out on some sleep before tonight's festivities... :doh!:

you going to the clubs?

[FringeNC]

And all year we're going to have to listen on ChiefsPlanet to people saying it's Alex Smith's fault when the line is the worst in the league. Just like the beginning of last year.

Claythan has become intolerable.

[Beef Supreme]

Bingo.

So basically we just tread water with a possibly worse player for the same money and lose a 1.1 pick..

A historic 1st overall pick we could have used to pick any player in the draft.



Because we are the chiefs!

On the bright side, we can draft another tackle in the first round in a couple of years when Fisher either doesn't pan out or if he does pan out and they don't want to pay him.:)

[duncan_idaho]

Schwartz wasn't even the starter. He was a back up. I think you're the homer for thinking he was so good. My point is that they weren't that great last year. We have a mobile QB, we run a lot of screens and throw to our RB more than anyone other team. We can get by with an average o-line.

I'm not saying he was an All-Pro. Just that he was one of two players on the OL last year who actually played at a competent level.

Unfortunately for Chiefs fans and players, Dorsey let both of those OL players go.

The issue isn't that Schwartz and Albert were superstars. It's that the guys that replaced them are hot garbage.

This OL isn't even average. All indications so far is that it is well below average. Even an offense with a mobile QB that runs a lot of screens needs an OL that doesn't immediately get blown off the ball, that can provide a little bit of time in the pocket.

[notorious]

Not shitting on them.

They simply aren't going to be on the field. Ford has been terrible this preseason and OLB wasn't exactly a pressing need this year.

WR was. Secondary was. OL was, after he watched half the line walk out the door.

Our preseason was shit, but part of the reason was development.


During the season the young players will be put in position and situations to succeed. (I hope, anyway.)

[Bwana]

The line does suck. Smith is going to get killed behind these humps. Someone should start a poll about how many games Smith will last before he's carted off the field from the impending beat downs he's going to endure.

We are the Chiefs.

[htismaqe]

On the bright side, we can draft another tackle in the first round in a couple of years when Fisher either doesn't pan out or if he does pan out and they don't want to pay him.:)

It will be the latter.

Because Chiefs.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

JD, you need to take it easy.


You are already shitting on the rookies who have yet to play one down in a real NFL game?

The dude routinely stomps his feet and whines like a 10 year old...all the while sucking off average to scrub level players on other teasm.

[Sandy Vagina]

you going to the clubs?

hehe, nah man, but I'll send you another fruit basket along with a fresh, spiked dildo you love to jam in yo ass. Enjoy, that ain't my scene. :thumb:

[L.A. Chieffan]

Don't be disingenuous SNR, Colquits contract is 8 mil guaranteed Bowes guarantee is half (granted still way too high) and Sean Smith is only about 7 mil.

Also it doesn't matter how much Fisher is making. You draft a guy a 1.1 and it's the same so if it wasn't Fisher getting the contract it just would've been someone else.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This line is a shit show. We lose to the Tits and I go full Count.

[KCUnited]

Anyone worth looking at in the 1st next year. /October

[Hammock Parties]

Claythan has become intolerable.

What's intolerable is this shit fucking franchise.

You just don't like someone telling the truth about it.

[htismaqe]

Don't be disingenuous SNR, Colquits contract is 8 mil guaranteed Bowes guarantee is half (granted still way too high) and Sean Smith is only about 7 mil.

Also it doesn't matter how much Fisher is making. You draft a guy a 1.1 and it's the same so if it wasn't Fisher getting the contract it just would've been someone else.

Part of the justification given to draft Fisher was to save money. Over the life of the contracts, you're not really saving any money.

You saved just enough money LAST YEAR to sign Daniel, Fasano, and bunch of garbage and make it APPEAR like you're competing for a championship...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'll burn my Chiefs flag.

And I'm not fucking kidding.

When the Chiefs blew their chance to make the playoffs in '96 after SI picked them to go to the SB, I doused my Chiefs Apex hat in lighter fluid, burned it, then pissed on it.

I should have maintained my resolve.

[FringeNC]

What's intolerable is this shit ****ing franchise.

You just don't like someone telling the truth about it.

You have a regime that turned a 2-14 squad into 11-5, and because they passed on Geno Smith, Dorsey and Reid have to go, right? Don't we need just a LITTLE bit more data to conclude these guys don't know what they are doing?

[BigMeatballDave]

What's intolerable is this shit fucking franchise.

You just don't like someone telling the truth about it.

No, we don't NEED anyone telling us about it.

It's fucking football, not life.

Grow a pair, and deal with it.

[Dave Lane]

The youth of the line has little to do with it. Almost every starter ****ing sucks at football.

Then we have SERIOUSLY wasted a huge number of draft picks.

[LoneWolf]

Eric Fisher got $22M guaranteed. You do know that right?

I agree that the line has looked like shit and I'm not arguing that letting Albert go was the right move, but comparing Albert and Fisher's contracts is stupid. If the Chiefs would have kept Albert at 25 million guaranteed, they still would have had to pay the 1.1 pick (whoever that may have been) a large guaranteed contract. That would have meant that they would have had to let other players go or get them to restructure. If they would have decided to pay Albert and keep the 1.1 pick, then they wouldn't have been able to resign Bowe (might not have been a bad decision) and they might have had to make a decision about who to keep in the future between Berry and Houston.

[Hammock Parties]

You have a regime that turned a 2-14 squad into 11-5, and because they passed on Geno Smith, Dorsey and Reid have to go, right? Don't we need just a LITTLE bit more data to conclude these guys don't know what they are doing?

If you can't see the shitshow on the horizon, you are blind.

FYI, they may know what they are doing, but only if they dump Alex and draft a R1QB. They MUST do this, or they don't get it.

[Eleazar]

What's intolerable is this shit ****ing franchise.

You just don't like someone telling the truth about it.

I think we'd all be happy to see you choose another franchise if you're sick of the **** ****ing

[dirk digler]

Part of the justification given to draft Fisher was to save money. Over the life of the contracts, you're not really saving any money.

You saved just enough money LAST YEAR to sign Daniel, Fasano, and bunch of garbage and make it APPEAR like you're competing for a championship...

The Hunt family ownership way. Just do enough to get butts in the seat..

[Dave Lane]

You have a regime that turned a 2-14 squad into 11-5, and because they passed on Geno Smith, Dorsey and Reid have to go, right? Don't we need just a LITTLE bit more data to conclude these guys don't know what they are doing?

Take away the 9-0 run against the Tyler Brays of the world and then how does that look?

[The Franchise]

I agree that the line has looked like shit and I'm not arguing that letting Albert go was the right move, but comparing Albert and Fisher's contracts is stupid. If the Chiefs would have kept Albert at 25 million guaranteed, they still would have had to pay the 1.1 pick (whoever that may have been) a large guaranteed contract. That would have meant that they would have had to let other players go or get them to restructure. If they would have decided to pay Albert and keep the 1.1 pick, then they wouldn't have been able to resign Bowe (might not have been a bad decision) and they might have had to make a decision about who to keep in the future between Berry and Houston.

Or they could have dumped horrible contracts like Fasano, Daniel, Succop or Avery.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

This team has no idea how to manage the cap. That's why Denver can add all that talent and we'll keep Succop over a guy who is just as good and makes 1/6 the money.

[Easy 6]

I think that before the Mankins trade....the Bucs might have had the worst o-line.

Question: Would you have traded a 3rd for Mankins?

I'll answer that... considering all of the picks we have next year, hell YES.

[FringeNC]

If you can't see the shitshow on the horizon, you are blind.

Hilarious. The Vegas over/under for the Chiefs is 8.5 wins. Your hubris is over the top.

[FringeNC]

Take away the 9-0 run against the Tyler Brays of the world and then how does that look?

The anti-homerism on this board is ruining it. Only on ChiefsPlanet is there an expectation of the Chiefs being one of the worst teams in the NFL.

[Hammock Parties]

The anti-homerism on this board is ruining it. Only on ChiefsPlanet is there an expectation of the Chiefs being one of the worst teams in the NFL.

Other than fake-ass runs against two of the easiest schedules in franchise history, what else have they been since 2006?

[duncan_idaho]

This team has no idea how to manage the cap. That's why Denver can add all that talent and we'll keep Succop over a guy who is just as good and makes 1/6 the money.

No idea? Or just an unwillingness to use signing bonuses creatively to open up space and move it forward?

I'll go with the latter.

[ThaVirus]

I kind of laughed when they said Fulton was LG and Allen the RG, but everything else was spot on.

I mean, the pass blocking efficiency is concerning enough; but what are we averaging per rush thus far? It's got to be something like 2.5 YPC.

I fear not even Jamaal will be able to save us..

[htismaqe]

I agree that the line has looked like shit and I'm not arguing that letting Albert go was the right move, but comparing Albert and Fisher's contracts is stupid. If the Chiefs would have kept Albert at 25 million guaranteed, they still would have had to pay the 1.1 pick (whoever that may have been) a large guaranteed contract. That would have meant that they would have had to let other players go or get them to restructure. If they would have decided to pay Albert and keep the 1.1 pick, then they wouldn't have been able to resign Bowe (might not have been a bad decision) and they might have had to make a decision about who to keep in the future between Berry and Houston.

They could have picked a CB 1st overall, not signed Sean Smith, and saved money. Not as much as Albert-Fisher but still a couple million in the first year alone.

The could have picked a pass rusher 1st overall and not drafted Dee Ford. Then they could jettison Hali this year and saved $2M MORE than by getting rid of Albert.

They had literally the pick of anybody in the draft. The scenarios are limitless.

There's no way to justify the Fisher-Albert move with cap-onomics.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If you had a redraft of 2013 today, does Fisher go in the first two days?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

No idea? Or just an unwillingness to use signing bonuses creatively to open up space and move it forward?

I'll go with the latter.

It's not difficult to do so, which leans towards incompetent/no idea. They manage the cap literally.

[FringeNC]

Other than fake-ass runs against two of the easiest schedules in franchise history, what else have they been since 2006?

Seriously, will you leave the board if the Chiefs have a winning record this year?

[Hammock Parties]

Seriously, will you leave the board if the Chiefs have a winning record this year?

No. I'll go full homer probably. CHIEFS BABY!

[Reerun_KC]

If you had a redraft of 2013 today, does Fisher go in the first two days?

You underestimate the ESPN/Kiper hype machine and the retardation that is the Chiefs...

[LoneWolf]

Seriously, will you leave the board if the Chiefs have a winning record this year?

:LOL: Even if you got him to agree to this, he would welch his way out of leaving if he lost. He has welched on several wagers on this board in the past. He has no integrity or self-respect.

[Hammock Parties]

:LOL: Even if you got him to agree to this, he would welch his way out of leaving if he lost. He has welched on several wagers on this board in the past. He has no integrity or self-respect.

Absolutely not true, and especially none since you've been here, so how would you even know?

[dirk digler]

The anti-homerism on this board is ruining it. Only on ChiefsPlanet is there an expectation of the Chiefs being one of the worst teams in the NFL.

I don't know why anyone would expect this team to be anything other than average or worse. They were 2-6 down the stretch, gave up a 100 pt lead in a playoff game, lost most of the O-Line, didn't address any of their known weaknesses and play a hard schedule. I am thinking 5-11 or 6-10.

[duncan_idaho]

It's not difficult to do so, which leans towards incompetent/no idea. They manage the cap literally.

Gotta have an owner who's willing to sign the checks for those guaranteed signing bonuses. We've now been through three GMs in the FA era and have never been a franchise that's aggressive with signing bonuses.

Maybe it's just three clueless GMs in a row. Or, maybe, the owners aren't willing to sign the checks...

[LoneWolf]

Absolutely not true, and especially none since you've been here, so how would you even know?

You welched on your "Alex will never throw for 4 TDs" wager last season, and I believe you and Maverick had a wager that you have welched on. You also posted after the playoff game that you were done posting anything negative about Alex Smith. How's that working out for you?

[Hammock Parties]

You welched on your "Alex will never throw for 4 TDs" wager last season, and I believe you and Maverick had a wager that you have welched on. You also posted after the playoff game that you were done posting anything negative about Alex Smith. How's that working out for you?

That wasn't a bet with anyone. There must be another party for it to qualify as a bet.

Maverick let me out of our bet.

Keep trying...no welching exists.

[FringeNC]

I don't know why anyone would expect this team to be anything other than average or worse. They were 2-6 down the stretch, gave up a 100 pt lead in a playoff game, lost most of the O-Line, didn't address any of their known weaknesses and play a hard schedule.

Guys that do it for a living have the Chiefs at 8.5 wins. You've been infected with the anti-homerism meme that the vocal minority relentless pushes on here.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Gotta have an owner who's willing to sign the checks for those guaranteed signing bonuses. We've now been through three GMs in the FA era and have never been a franchise that's aggressive with signing bonuses.

Maybe it's just three clueless GMs in a row. Or, maybe, the owners aren't willing to sign the checks...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the Chiefs' yearly outlays are drastically below the average NFL team.

[LoneWolf]

That was just me talking out of my ass. I do that a lot. I hope that if I say enough dumb fucking things on this site that eventually enough of them will prove to be correct that I can say "look at how smart I am."

Maverick got tired of trying to force me to honor our bet.

Keep trying...no integrity exists with me.

FYP

[dirk digler]

Guys that do it for a living have the Chiefs at 8.5 wins. You've been infected with the anti-homerism meme that the vocal minority relentless pushes on here.

It is not anti-homerism it is reality. This team isn't very good and winning 8 games after being in the playoffs isn't what I would call a step forward.

[John Dope]

Or they could have dumped horrible contracts like Fasano, Daniel, Succop or Avery.

Oh yeah, they are going to dump three of their guys that they hand picked in free agency and brought in. You're a ****ing idiot. They decided they needed Blowe more than Albert. End of story.

[Sully]

Coupla things, neither having much to do with the ranking Grantland gave...

A) For years, the intelligent posters on this very board have been raging against the "We've gotta have a great OL" faction. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main definitions of the true fan. Now that it plays out in practice, rather than theory, its interesting to see the tantrums.

B) Jon Asomoah was not one of our top 3 linemen.

[Hammock Parties]

FYP

You're real cute. Ask BossChief if I honor bets.

[htismaqe]

Oh yeah, they are going to dump three of their guys that they hand picked in free agency and brought in. You're a ****ing idiot. They decided they needed Blowe more than Albert. End of story.

The fact that Fasano and Daniel were "hand-picked" says volumes...

[OldSchool]

I don't care if they are the worst as long as we win. We shouldn't need a good o-line to run our offense effectively. In truth we only lost one o-linemen who was about a "B" grade player.

Did you not watch the Eagles in 2012 when they lost Peters for the season? That offense was not good, at all.

[John Dope]

It is not anti-homerism it is reality. This team isn't very good and winning 8 games after being in the playoffs isn't what I would call a step forward.

We aren't going to go from zero to Superbowl. It's not going to just happen over night. it rarely does. Winning eight games and going two seasons in a row without a losing record for the first time in ages is a step in the right direction. The schedule is harder. Last year we exceeded expectations. Wouldn't eight wins exceed most of your expectations?

[John Dope]

Did you not watch the Eagles in 2012 when they lost Peters for the season? That offense was not good, at all.

That wasn't the same offense. They had a big armed QB and fast WRs. They didn't run the pistol and they consistently threw it down the field. We don't need that kind of time because we don't throw it down the field very much. We don't have Vick, Jackson, and Maclin.

[htismaqe]

We aren't going to go from zero to Superbowl. It's not going to just happen over night. it rarely does. Winning eight games and going two seasons in a row without a losing record for the first time in ages is a step in the right direction. The schedule is harder. Last year we exceeded expectations. Wouldn't eight wins exceed most of your expectations?

Nope.

I expect them to build on last year.

That means winning AT LEAST 1 playoff game.

If they're not going to do that, why invest in Alex Smith, Sean Smith, Anthony Fasano, and so on?

[Mav]

It's a conspiracy to not pay Alex and get us in position for Mariota.

Happy days are here again.

mariota is your PRIZE?

Wow. thank god you are not the GM.

If you want a rookie qb, you want either Kevin Hogan, or Jameis Winston.

But you want KAEPERNICK LITE?

[Mav]

Nope.

I expect them to build on last year.

That means winning AT LEAST 1 playoff game.

If they're not going to do that, why invest in Alex Smith, Sean Smith, Anthony Fasano, and so on?

Regardless of what happens this season, Fasano, and Sean Smith will be gone.

Alex Smith is 50/50

[Hammock Parties]

But you want KAEPERNICK LITE?

I see him as Russell Wilson on steroids.

[Mav]

You're real cute. Ask BossChief if I honor bets.

You don't. I still don't have my Alex Smith signature.

You also said that if Alex Smith ever threw 4 tds in a game, you would leave for a year, he threw 5, and you scrubbed every post that you had said that in, as there was more than one.

You are a welching weasel.

No one takes you seriously when you say you aren't a welcher.

And, you admitted that you have welched over on the orange mane.

So, integrity, isn't your strong suit champ.

[htismaqe]

Regardless of what happens this season, Fasano, and Sean Smith will be gone.

Wouldn't that just prove people's points that last year was a facade?

[John Dope]

Nope.

I expect them to build on last year.

That means winning AT LEAST 1 playoff game.

If they're not going to do that, why invest in Alex Smith, Sean Smith, Anthony Fasano, and so on?

Again, if you don't expect too much, you won't get let down. How realistic are those expectations? They've already invested in those guys. Are you going to leave and come back AGAIN if they don't win a playoff game? Word on the street is you left when they didn't draft Geno and came back when we made the playoffs. I know you are a product of entitlement. It's pretty funny that you didn't learn anything from that.

[dirk digler]

We aren't going to go from zero to Superbowl. It's not going to just happen over night. it rarely does. Winning eight games and going two seasons in a row without a losing record for the first time in ages is a step in the right direction. The schedule is harder. Last year we exceeded expectations. Wouldn't eight wins exceed most of your expectations?

htismaqe's post answers this perfectly for me.

[htismaqe]

mariota is your PRIZE?

Wow. thank god you are not the GM.

If you want a rookie qb, you want either Kevin Hogan, or Jameis Winston.

But you want KAEPERNICK LITE?

No.

Fuck no.

[Mav]

I see him as Russell Wilson on steroids.

Russell Wilson ran a pro system his entire career in college.

mariota runs a spread system, doesn't have to read defenses, and doesn't throw deep all that often.

Which, If I remember correctly, is YOUR THING.

Like I said.

If you want a qb, and im not a Winston guy, I cant stand him as a prospect, you want Winston, or Hogan.

Hogan has everything.

Winston probably has the best deep ball in college.

Mariota.....WOW.

Your second is probably hundley huh?

[bdj23]

I'll burn my Chiefs flag.

And I'm not ****ing kidding.

Will that get rid of you?

[Hammock Parties]

Your second is probably hundley huh?

Yes.

Jameis Winston scares me. His attitude is all wrong for the pros.

But I'll take him over Alex.

[Hammock Parties]

Will that get rid of you?

Yes. Not kidding.

[Mav]

Wouldn't that just prove people's points that last year was a facade?

Uh, no?

that proves that teams are always constantly changing.

Sean Smith was an immediate fix, and they drafted Travis kelce to be the future of the position, and Fasano is getting old.

you adapt, or you die.

Maintaining 10+ win seasons is not easy to do.

That's why only a select few franchises have managed to do that for multiple seasons.

Do you know how many teams currently have a string of consecutive 10 win seasons going for more than two season?

pssst.

There are only two.

[John Dope]

Mariotta and Hundley are going to drop just like the rest of the recent spreadsters.

They'll get over hyped here and by the draft gurus only to plummet like Bridgwater and Geno.

[htismaqe]

Again, if you don't expect too much, you won't get let down. How realistic are those expectations?

Nothing the Chiefs could do next season will let me down. They don't have that power over me.

Word on the street is you left when they didn't draft Geno and came back when we made the playoffs.

ROFL

This is a direct contradiction to what you said the other day, Bob. You do know that everybody ALREADY KNOWS you're BlackBob, right? You can't backpedal and cover your tracks. People aren't stupid.

[Ming the Merciless]

Guys that do it for a living have the Chiefs at 8.5 wins. You've been infected with the anti-homerism meme that the vocal minority relentless pushes on here.

I dont see 8.5 anywhere....

Link me bro

I would like to take the under on that

[Mav]

Yes.

Jameis Winston scares me. His attitude is all wrong for the pros.

But I'll take him over Alex.

mariota and hundley are gimmick qbs.

They are never going to be chiefs. They cant read defenses.

I cant believe you don't love Winston. he has the best deep ball in college, even If I do whole heartedly agree with you on him as a prospect.

my top 3 are Hogan, (hes a great pro prospect) Mannion, (has a lot of skills), and Bryce Petty of Baylor.

[John Dope]

Why do you insist that I am blackbob hitsmaq? I'm not covering tracks.

Did you leave when we didn't draft Geno and come back when we made the playoffs? Yes or no?

[htismaqe]

mariota and hundley are gimmick qbs.

They are never going to be chiefs. They cant read defenses.

I cant believe you don't love Winston. he has the best deep ball in college, even If I do whole heartedly agree with you on him as a prospect.

my top 3 are Hogan, (hes a great pro prospect) Mannion, (has a lot of skills), and Bryce Petty of Baylor.

Petty plays in a gimmicky system too.

[Mav]

Petty plays in a gimmicky system too.

He can stretch the field like no one else.

And while the system itself is gimmicky, unlike mariota, and Hundley, he can make every throw from the pocket.

Which you have to be able to do at the pro level.

hes better than Geno as a pure thrower.

And I liked Geno in that role.

[htismaqe]

Why do you insist that I am blackbob? I'm not covering tracks.

Dude, you are BlackBob, everybody knows it. You're not fooling anybody. You do know this board tracks activity right? Timestamps, IP addresses, etc. Right?

Did you leave when we didn't draft Geno and come back when we made the playoffs? Yes or no?

No, I didn't.

I left a few weeks before the draft ever happened.

And I came back about week 13 or so.

Sorry, Bob. You're wrong, as usual.

[Hammock Parties]

mariota and hundley are gimmick qbs.

They are never going to be chiefs. They cant read defenses.


I'm having trouble giving a fuck.

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[John Dope]

I'm having trouble giving a ****.

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Interesting... Funny how you never account for Alex's rushing ability.

[Mav]

I'm having trouble giving a ****.

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you want me to gif some alex smith plays from college?

[splatbass]

I'll burn my Chiefs flag.

And I'm not ****ing kidding.

So?

[Hammock Parties]

Interesting... Funny how you never account for Alex's rushing ability.

His running ability is diminished because defenses don't respect his arm.

Mariota has the physical talent of Colin Kaepernick and isn't a douchebag.

[Dave Lane]

This is of note for next week:

Tennessee Titans, running backs

Tennessee has spent the past two offseasons building up its offensive line — taking Chance Warmack 10th overall a year ago, signing Andy Levitre to a big deal in free agency, and following those moves by drafting Taylor Lewan at no. 11. It’s a shame those guys don’t have anyone to block for.

Bishop Sankey may turn into a quality running back, but right now, he’s just a rookie who can’t beat out Shonn Greene. Greene remains the starter in Tennessee, which doesn’t inspire much confidence in the Titans’ ground game. He got a pretty nice deal to come to Tennessee after losing his job with the Jets, but that was a contract people were panning even as it happened. I’m not sure there’s a less exciting option available. Since the start of the 2009 season — Greene’s first in the league; he’s already 29! — Greene has had 14 runs of 20 yards or more. That’s one fewer than Justin Forsett, who’s done it on 552 fewer carries. Mike Tolbert has 13; he’s carried the ball 403 fewer times and is also Mike Tolbert. Whatever the opposite of “pop” is, that’s what your offense has with Shonn Greene at running back.

[duncan_idaho]

Coupla things, neither having much to do with the ranking Grantland gave...

A) For years, the intelligent posters on this very board have been raging against the "We've gotta have a great OL" faction. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main definitions of the true fan. Now that it plays out in practice, rather than theory, its interesting to see the tantrums.

B) Jon Asomoah was not one of our top 3 linemen.

There's a difference between railing against the thought that you need a line full of home-drafted, first-round picks to have a really good OL. and the idea that you can't succeed with a bottom 5 OL.

Good GMs can build solid (and sometimes even superstar) OL groups using a variety of sources. They don't need all first rounders to make an OL work.

[htismaqe]

There's a difference between railing against the thought that you need a line full of home-drafted, first-round picks to have a really good OL. and the idea that you can't succeed with a bottom 5 OL.

Good GMs can build solid (and sometimes even superstar) OL groups using a variety of sources. They don't need all first rounders to make an OL work.

Exactly.

[John Dope]

His running ability is diminished because defenses don't respect his arm.

Mariota has the physical talent of Colin Kaepernick and isn't a douchebag.

Does he have the physical talent to go #1 in the draft like Alex Smith? I'd like you to go on the record.

[RealSNR]

Did you leave when we didn't draft Geno and come back when we made the playoffs? Yes or no?

And you've only been around this board since July of 2014?

Fuck you, Black Bob.

[OldSchool]

mariota is your PRIZE?

Wow. thank god you are not the GM.

If you want a rookie qb, you want either Kevin Hogan, or Jameis Winston.

But you want KAEPERNICK LITE?

Mariota> Kaepernick

He can actually throw the ball with some touch and has a better feel for the position. Kaepernick is an athlete trying to play the QB position, Mariota is a QB who happens to be an elite athlete.

[John Dope]

There's a difference between railing against the thought that you need a line full of home-drafted, first-round picks to have a really good OL. and the idea that you can't succeed with a bottom 5 OL.

Good GMs can build solid (and sometimes even superstar) OL groups using a variety of sources. They don't need all first rounders to make an OL work.

Yep, teams like Green Bay (where Dorsey learned) make it with average o-lines all the time.

[Hammock Parties]

Mariota> Kaepernick

He can actually throw the ball with some touch and has a better feel for the position. Kaepernick is an athlete trying to play the QB position, Mariota is a QB who happens to be an elite athlete.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Mariota is smooth. He gets my phootball phallus phirin!

[John Dope]

And you've only been around this board since July of 2014?

**** you, Black Bob.

Fuck you. I ain't blackbob. I've been lurking for a while.

[Red Dawg]

Yes.

Jameis Winston scares me. His attitude is all wrong for the pros.

But I'll take him over Alex.

Winston sucks. He will bomb in the NFL due to lack of mental short comings. Just like most do.

[Hammock Parties]

Winston sucks. He will bomb in the NFL due to lack of mental short comings. Just like most do.

He reminds me a lot of JaMarcus Russell.

[OldSchool]

That wasn't the same offense. They had a big armed QB and fast WRs. They didn't run the pistol and they consistently threw it down the field. We don't need that kind of time because we don't throw it down the field very much. We don't have Vick, Jackson, and Maclin.

We don't throw it down the field a lot because we don't have the OL that can hold up in pass protection for downfield routes to develop.

[RealSNR]

Word on the street is you left when they didn't draft Geno and came back when we made the playoffs.

"Word on the street" LMAO LMAO

Who said that, Bob? Show us your "word on the street." I have seen no conversation whatsoever taking place about that.

[Mav]

He reminds me a lot of JaMarcus Russell.
From a play stand point, he reminds me of mcnabb. Mentally a rock though.

[RealSNR]

Winston sucks. He will bomb in the NFL due to lack of mental short comings. Just like most do.

And also rape.

[Old Dog]

The Vegas over/under for the Chiefs is 8.5 wins.

Incorrect, it's 8. And to bet the under it currently costs $155 to win $100 while you need only bet $100 to win $125.

[Hoover]

Our line isn't very good. I get that, but I'm glad we didn't shell out a ton of money to keep Albert or Asamoah. I could go either way on Schwartz.

I'm sure you guys will all love the draft picks we are going to get next year.

[Easy 6]

And you've only been around this board since July of 2014?

**** you, Black Bob.

LMAO busted.

[BWillie]

Why don't we have Asamoah still? he was decent.

[RealSNR]

Why don't we have Asamoah still? he was decent.

Sucked ass last year. Whether that's due to being a misfit in the new offense/scheme or due to sucking, he had to go. Wasn't worth the money at all.

[John Dope]

"Word on the street" LMAO LMAO

Who said that, Bob? Show us your "word on the street." I have seen no conversation whatsoever taking place about that.

I thought I saw it in the Top 100 roast thread. I thought you were supposed to be nice?

Sorry if I was mistaken htismaqe. It must have been someone else.

[The Franchise]

Fuck you. I ain't blackbob. I've been lurking for a while.

Really? Lurking but you decided to create a new account in July of this year to finally post?

Fuck you, Bob.

[John Dope]

Really? Lurking but you decided to create a new account in July of this year to finally post?

**** you, Bob.

Yes, it was right before training camp. Is that weird? I thought you were supposed to be nice too dickweed.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It's a conspiracy to not pay Alex and get us in position for Mariota.

Happy days are here again.

I would love to believe this.

But.....

Chiefs.

[FringeNC]

I dont see 8.5 anywhere....

Link me bro

I would like to take the under on that

Last time I looked it was 8.5, whether it is 8 or 8.5, the point doesn't change that Vegas thinks we'll be A LOT better than you guys do. 8 wins with our schedule = above average team. Hardly the sky is falling nonsense that infects this place.

[htismaqe]

"Word on the street" LMAO LMAO

Who said that, Bob? Show us your "word on the street." I have seen no conversation whatsoever taking place about that.

You haven't? I have.

This was posted on the 25th of August.

You have been condescending about any objectivity and clearly pushing your agenda. The fact of the matter is that Alex wins games and that's all that matters. I don't see why you are bitching. You declared you would never come back to this board after we didn't draft Geno. After Alex started winning you came back. You can't be picky about 11-5. You shouldn't take that for granted. You are entitled to nothing man. Be happy that we had a winning season and give Alex a break if he is winning most of his games for us. That's all I am saying. There is no secret formula here. This isn't the Coca Cola Company.

Oopsie!

[htismaqe]

I thought I saw it in the Top 100 roast thread. I thought you were supposed to be nice?

Sorry if I was mistaken htismaqe. It must have been someone else.

ROFL

[jd1020]

The dude routinely stomps his feet and whines like a 10 year old...all the while sucking off average to scrub level players on other teasm.

LMAO

The only "other players on other teams" I "suck off" are still in college.

I'd have a hard time naming 5 players on any given team not named the Chiefs.

Nice try, I guess.

[MahiMike]

It's Alex' fault.

[ImJustBeingTrill]

I'll burn my Chiefs flag.

And I'm not ****ing kidding.

Take a few shots of bleach while you're at it.

[The Franchise]

Take a few shots of bleach while you're at it.

Who's dup is this?

[ImJustBeingTrill]

Who's dup is this?

You can have the whole jug brother

[Mav]

Who's dup is this?
Free wifi!

[OldSchool]

Good news for our OL. Aldon Smith is going to be out until week 11, banned for 9 games. Fisher will still probably get his shit pushed in by the backups though with the way he's been playing, lol.

[RealSNR]

Good news for our OL. Aldon Smith is going to be out until week 11, banned for 9 games. Fisher will still probably get his shit pushed in by the backups though with the way he's been playing, lol.

Depends. Does Parys Haralson play for them?

[OldSchool]

Depends. Does Parys Haralson play for them?

Nah, it'll be Skuta or Lemonier according to Roto.

[John Dope]

Depends. Does Parys Haralson play for them?

He was a Saint last year...

[Hammock Parties]

Nah, it'll be Skuta or Lemonier according to Roto.

Our savagery at the hands of the 49ers will henceforth be referred to as "Lemonier Party."

[OldSchool]

Our savagery at the hands of the 49ers will henceforth be referred to as "Lemonier Party."
Well, the only ones that we have to really worry about now are Brooks, Justin Smith, Ray MacDonald, and Patrick Willis. Without Bowman and Aldon Smith, that defense doesn't look too scary though they do run a more effective scheme than ours.

[Marcellus]

This is setting up perfectly for the 2015 Chiefs having the most improved offensive line.

[The Franchise]

This is setting up perfectly for the 2015 Chiefs having the most improved offensive line.

That before or after the 1st round OG?

[Marcellus]

That before or after the 1st round OG?

OL in every round. Bank on it.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

All the stupid cunts who wanted Albert gone and draft a left tackle deserve this fucking line.

Another great post.

[htismaqe]

This is setting up perfectly for the 2015 Chiefs having the most improved offensive line.

ROFL

[RealSNR]

So I guess Mike McGlynn played not terribly in limited action last night? I wasn't able to see the 1st quarter last night, so I don't know. This is just coming from Mitch Holthus, which could be all garbage.

Anybody want to see him start at LG over Allen?

[Exoter175]

So I guess Mike McGlynn played not terribly in limited action last night? I wasn't able to see the 1st quarter last night, so I don't know. This is just coming from Mitch Holthus, which could be all garbage.

Anybody want to see him start at LG over Allen?

He and Tardif didn't look bad last night from what I remember they got in quite a few snaps together towards the end.

[The Franchise]

So I guess Mike McGlynn played not terribly in limited action last night? I wasn't able to see the 1st quarter last night, so I don't know. This is just coming from Mitch Holthus, which could be all garbage.

Anybody want to see him start at LG over Allen?

I think you're going to see him start at LG because they're planning on starting Allen at RT while Stephenson is out.

[Exoter175]

I think you're going to see him start at LG because they're planning on starting Allen at RT while Stephenson is out.

Weren't they playing Harris at RT during the Vikings game immediately after the news broke on Stephenson? I know they were at least rotating the two, and last night they were talking about Linkenbach at the Tackle spot on 101.

[RealSNR]

Weren't they playing Harris at RT during the Vikings game immediately after the news broke on Stephenson? I know they were at least rotating the two, and last night they were talking about Linkenbach at the Tackle spot on 101.

Linkenbach plays everything. He plays everything poorly, but he has experience at nearly all the positions on the line.

He's not a good option as a starter if there's a guy out there like McGlynn who can do a better job.

[OldSchool]

Ricky Henry looked the best at LG in week 3, Linkenbach got his shit pushed in a lot. I hope it's Henry out there week 1, he stands a better chance against the Titan's interior pass rushers simply because he seems to have a much scrapier attitude than our other interior OL players.

[OldSchool]

Weren't they playing Harris at RT during the Vikings game immediately after the news broke on Stephenson? I know they were at least rotating the two, and last night they were talking about Linkenbach at the Tackle spot on 101.

It was Allen out there with the first team. It was the best I've seen him look, even though he had a mental error in blitz pickup that allowed a sack. I think that Allen should stay at RT.

[The Franchise]

So I guess Mike McGlynn played not terribly in limited action last night? I wasn't able to see the 1st quarter last night, so I don't know. This is just coming from Mitch Holthus, which could be all garbage.

Anybody want to see him start at LG over Allen?

I'm going back now and paying attention to how McGlynn played.

[Sandy Vagina]

Pretty sure McGlynn started game 4 at LG, and yeah, he did a decent job. Nothing that stood out as awful.

[Mav]

I'm going back now and paying attention to how McGlynn played.

I thought he played well.

couple plays I was like wow.

[Exoter175]

Linkenbach plays everything. He plays everything poorly, but he has experience at nearly all the positions on the line.

He's not a good option as a starter if there's a guy out there like McGlynn who can do a better job.

He's certainly got a beat on him with our playbook though, which is what makes me think they might be right about Linkenbach.

It was Allen out there with the first team. It was the best I've seen him look, even though he had a mental error in blitz pickup that allowed a sack. I think that Allen should stay at RT.

So you'd have Fisher, Fulton, Hudson, (insert rotation here) and Allen for your starting 5 day 1?

[htismaqe]

It was Allen out there with the first team. It was the best I've seen him look, even though he had a mental error in blitz pickup that allowed a sack. I think that Allen should stay at RT.

Allen was a decent college tackle. Makes sense.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bills have been gauging interest in OL Kraig Urbik, set to make $2.275M this season, and seemingly falling out of favor</p>&mdash; Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/505462709664886784">August 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[htismaqe]

So you'd have Fisher, Fulton, Hudson, (insert rotation here) and Allen for your starting 5 day 1?

I think you have to settle on SOMEBODY and let the line try to get some cohesion.

[Easy 6]

Ricky Henry looked the best at LG in week 3, Linkenbach got his shit pushed in a lot. I hope it's Henry out there week 1, he stands a better chance against the Titan's interior pass rushers simply because he seems to have a much scrapier attitude than our other interior OL players.

Yep, all other things being roughly equal, I'll take the guy with the nastier attitude every single time... this line reeally needs that kind of sparkplug, has for ten years.

[RealSNR]

It was Allen out there with the first team. It was the best I've seen him look, even though he had a mental error in blitz pickup that allowed a sack. I think that Allen should stay at RT.

Allen has looked better at RT than he's looked at LG in the Bengals and Panthers preseason games.

[Mav]

Allen has looked better at RT than he's looked at LG in the Bengals and Panthers preseason games.

maybe he is not strong enough for guard?

[htismaqe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bills have been gauging interest in OL Kraig Urbik, set to make $2.275M this season, and seemingly falling out of favor</p>&mdash; Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/505462709664886784">August 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I'd prefer not to give up picks at this point. This would be a panic move.

[Exoter175]

I think you have to settle on SOMEBODY and let the line try to get some cohesion.

I completely agree with that, which is why I love seeing Fulton out there on the left side on day 1. Not just because the guy has a beat on everybody already, but because you need to establish that working relationship with the guy next to you.

It worked almost two decades ago for us, and you gotta think, Stephenson, Allen, Hudson, Fisher, and Fulton are all in their first 3 years of play. Now's the time to get them together and pour the foundation.

I don't think Tardif makes the 53 man roster, guy needs to work on technique a little, but I think you can toss a guy like Harris, McGlynn, Linkenbach in there until Stephensons suspension is up, but get them back to shape when its over. Unless Allen truly doesn't pan out, and its hard to say he wouldn't IMO.

Eventually something's going to stick with Fisher and he'll turn into at least a serviceable LT for us.

[Sandy Vagina]

Ricky Henry looked the best at LG in week 3, Linkenbach got his shit pushed in a lot. I hope it's Henry out there week 1, he stands a better chance against the Titan's interior pass rushers simply because he seems to have a much scrapier attitude than our other interior OL players.

Yeah, Link played well at RG and RT week 2, but sucked at LG week 3. Have not yet watched him closely in week 4.

LT / Fisher vs Ryan
LG / McGlynn vs Henry
C / Hudson
RG / Linkenbach vs McGlynn
RT / Allen vs Link


I'd probably give this the look for a day or two of practice.. quickly decide.. then work the shit out of them in various blitz pickups, to minimize the free rush fails.

[Chiefnj2]

I don't know why they drafted Fulton. Every single scouting report on him talked being a mauler, but lost in space. Andy loves, adores and is otherwise infatuated with screens. Why draft a guard with two left feet if you need him to pull or get downfield? Doesn't seem like a good fit.

[ChiefsCountry]

Allen has looked better at RT than he's looked at LG in the Bengals and Panthers preseason games.

A player who has played tackle his whole life looks better at his natural position. Allen's best position should be swing tackle not guard.

[The Franchise]

I think the only "battle" will be between Harris and Allen for RT.

[htismaqe]

I don't know why they drafted Fulton. Every single scouting report on him talked being a mauler, but lost in space. Andy loves, adores and is otherwise infatuated with screens. Why draft a guard with two left feet if you need him to pull or get downfield? Doesn't seem like a good fit.

This.

[OldSchool]

So you'd have Fisher, Fulton, Hudson, (insert rotation here) and Allen for your starting 5 day 1?

I'd go Fisher, Henry, Kush, Hudson, Allen if it were me. If Fisher shows no improvement and continues to stink up until the BYE, I'm switching his ass out for Harris who can't possibly be any worse and at least has the strength to hold up against NFL rushers.

[RealSNR]

I'd prefer not to give up picks at this point. This would be a panic move.

They're looking for a #2 QB. Daniel would be perfect.

Throw in a 7th rounder or some shit like that if that's not enough.

[Exoter175]

Yeah, Link played well at RG and RT week 2, but sucked at LG week 3. Have not yet watched him closely in week 4.

LT / Fisher vs Ryan
LG / McGlynn vs Henry
C / Hudson
RG / Linkenbach vs McGlynn
RT / Allen vs Link


I'd probably give this the look for a day or two of practice.. quickly decide.. then work the shit out of them in various blitz pickups, to minimize the free rush fails.

You're forgetting about Fulton who is inked up as the starter at RG right now and having arguably the best pre-season in terms of consistency as any of our guys out there. Though that isn't a compliment as it should have been lol.

I'd go Fisher, Henry, Kush, Hudson, Allen if it were me. If Fisher shows no improvement and continues to stink up until the BYE, I'm switching his ass out for Harris who can't possibly be any worse and at least has the strength to hold up against NFL rushers.

You'd move Hudson to RG where we have Fulton as the starter already, and bring in Kush for Center but leave Henry at LG?

I think if anything like that were to happen, you'd have Fisher, Fulton, Kush, Hudson, Allen, and go to town on the left side and pull Hudson over, he's got fancy feet.

[The Franchise]

They're looking for a #2 QB. Daniel would be perfect.

Throw in a 7th rounder or some shit like that if that's not enough.

Daniel straight up for Urbik.

[htismaqe]

They're looking for a #2 QB. Daniel would be perfect.

Throw in a 7th rounder or some shit like that if that's not enough.

I'm fine with that.

[Exoter175]

They're looking for a #2 QB. Daniel would be perfect.

Throw in a 7th rounder or some shit like that if that's not enough.

Urbik's actually pretty good, total upgrade for us and with as many "guard/hybrid" types that we have on this team as it is, we could put together a pretty run dominant line with Urbik anchoring either Guard spot. On top of that, they'd probably be the ones to give us the extra draft pick with Chase since the market for #2's is starting to grow as of this last week.

[The Franchise]

Fisher - McGlynn - Hudson - Urbik - Allen

[OldSchool]

Yeah, Link played well at RG and RT week 2, but sucked at LG week 3. Have not yet watched him closely in week 4.

LT / Fisher vs Ryan
LG / McGlynn vs Henry
C / Hudson
RG / Linkenbach vs McGlynn
RT / Allen vs Link


I'd probably give this the look for a day or two of practice.. quickly decide.. then work the shit out of them in various blitz pickups, to minimize the free rush fails.

They honestly should have tried mixing things up in the Pre-Season games with the 1st team since week 1 if they were really honest about getting the best 5 out there. I hope that they really figure it out over the next 9 or so days.

IMO, this would be the optimal setup:

LT: Fisher - let him face the fire this season and see if he can rise above it.
LG: Henry/Hudson - Henry based on what I saw week 3. Hudson if you are concerned about having a vet presence next to Fisher.
C: Hudson/Kush- Hudson if you want continuity between center and QB and communication chain on OL. Kush if you want to shore up another position on the OL.
RG: Linkenbach/McGlynn - anything but Fulton who sucks dog turd and is a big reason why we can't run to the right, defenders can run circles around him.
RT: Allen - He looked way better than either Fisher or Stephenson while out at tackle. Looked a lot more comfortable here where he was matched up against guys that he could beat in terms of strength and weight. He had much better fundamentals because he wasn't overcompensating by leaning too far forward, which is what got him beat badly by Star.

Harris can be the swing guy and replace Fisher if Fisher shows no improvements up to the BYE week. That's when you pull that experiment for the season, tell him to get into the weight room, get into the swing tackle role, and wait for his next chance to prove his worth on the field.

[RealSNR]

Fisher - McGlynn - Hudson - Urbik - Allen

I think something like that would at least get us to the level of OL play that we had last year in the first 8 games or so.

[The Franchise]

They honestly should have tried mixing things up in the Pre-Season games with the 1st team since week 1 if they were really honest about getting the best 5 out there. I hope that they really figure it out over the next 9 or so days.

IMO, this would be the optimal setup:

LT: Fisher - let him face the fire this season and see if he can rise above it.
LG: Henry/Hudson - Henry based on what I saw week 3. Hudson if you are concerned about having a vet presence next to Fisher.
C: Hudson/Kush- Hudson if you want continuity between center and QB and communication chain on OL. Kush if you want to shore up another position on the OL.
RG: Linkenbach/McGlynn - anything but Fulton who sucks dog turd and is a big reason why we can't run to the right, defenders can run circles around him.
RT: Allen - He looked way better than either Fisher or Stephenson while out at tackle. Looked a lot more comfortable here where he was matched up against guys that he could beat in terms of strength and weight. He had much better fundamentals because he wasn't overcompensating by leaning too far forward, which is what got him beat badly by Star.

Harris can be the swing guy and replace Fisher if Fisher shows no improvements up to the BYE week. That's when you pull that experiment for the season, tell him to get into the weight room, get into the swing tackle role, and wait for his next chance to prove his worth on the field.

How shitty would it fucking be if Allen ended up being the best tackle out of the three (Fisher, Stephenson and Allen).

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> should get interest from teams looking for a QB. 3 backup QBs--all offer value.</p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/statuses/505469432781889537">August 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Sandy Vagina]

They honestly should have tried mixing things up in the Pre-Season games with the 1st team since week 1 if they were really honest about getting the best 5 out there. I hope that they really figure it out over the next 9 or so days.

IMO, this would be the optimal setup:

LT: Fisher - let him face the fire this season and see if he can rise above it.
LG: Henry/Hudson - Henry based on what I saw week 3. Hudson if you are concerned about having a vet presence next to Fisher.
C: Hudson/Kush- Hudson if you want continuity between center and QB and communication chain on OL. Kush if you want to shore up another position on the OL.
RG: Linkenbach/McGlynn - anything but Fulton who sucks dog turd and is a big reason why we can't run to the right, defenders can run circles around him.
RT: Allen - He looked way better than either Fisher or Stephenson while out at tackle. Looked a lot more comfortable here where he was matched up against guys that he could beat in terms of strength and weight. He had much better fundamentals because he wasn't overcompensating by leaning too far forward, which is what got him beat badly by Star.

Harris can be the swing guy and replace Fisher if Fisher shows no improvements up to the BYE week. That's when you pull that experiment for the season, tell him to get into the weight room, get into the swing tackle role, and wait for his next chance to prove his worth on the field.

yeah, looks pretty good... well... good as it gets this yr barring some OL trade.

[Exoter175]

I think something like that would at least get us to the level of OL play that we had last year in the first 8 games or so.

I don't know about "above", Asamoah and Schwartz were on fire through the first 8, but I'd certainly sleep at night with that line, but that means we have to get Urbik, and this FO doesn't seem all about "snagging someone" right before the start of the season. They tend to draft their own guys and go "next man up", which is why you're going to see Fulton at least half the season on the Left or Right this year.

[OldSchool]

You're forgetting about Fulton who is inked up as the starter at RG right now and having arguably the best pre-season in terms of consistency as any of our guys out there. Though that isn't a compliment as it should have been lol.



You'd move Hudson to RG where we have Fulton as the starter already, and bring in Kush for Center but leave Henry at LG?

I think if anything like that were to happen, you'd have Fisher, Fulton, Kush, Hudson, Allen, and go to town on the left side and pull Hudson over, he's got fancy feet.

Fulton is terrible out there. Sure he has a strong anchor but that doesn't matter when he can't stay in front of his man and even DTs can run circles around him. The guy can't block in space and anything that requires movement up front falls to shit because it's very easy for defenders to beat his blocks with quickness.

[RealSNR]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> should get interest from teams looking for a QB. 3 backup QBs--all offer value.</p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/statuses/505469432781889537">August 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Oh man. I was just throwing shit around earlier about Daniel. I wasn't being serious.

But if this is true? Holy shit. When's the last time another team traded for a KANSAS CITY QB?