Level Headed Review of an Ugly Game

[OldSchool]

Why you shouldn't panic: The Patriots were blown out by the Dolphins. Buffalo beat Chicago. Atlanta beat the Saints. Tony Romo has thrown 3 INTs vs the 49ers, oh wait, that's normal. It's the NFL, bad games happen. Bad performances happen to even the best QBs. It's also week 1 and we get Bowe back next week.

Why you should panic: We were hit fairly hard by injuries and lost our only proven and capable defensive leader in DJ.

First The Bad

Injuries: We lost 2 starters on defense today. Devito can be replaced but DJ is a huge blow. That really sucks and we will be a lot worse without him.

Coaching: Yes, we were missing Bowe and Stephenson on offense, but Reid just crapped the bed here. How do you only give Charles 11 touches in the game total when he is your only proven and legitimate threat remaining on offense? How do you only get your TEs, the only unit besides your RB group that isn't way below average, 6 touches in the game? How do you not run more 2 TE sets to take advantage of that? Fail of a game plan today from Reid. You have a young and inexperienced OL, why not help them out by getting them into a rhythm with the run game? It's simply unacceptable for Smith to be the leading rusher of the team when you have Charles sitting in the backfield.

Offense overall: What happens when the game plan is poor and you are missing your top WR while the next guy up should be a #4 on any team with a decent WR crew and you have a struggling offensive line? What happens when none of your WRs are really capable of winning 1 on 1 matchups? The Week 1 KC Chiefs offense. You can attack down field all you want but if the QB isn't perfect or you just lack the WRs who can actually make a play for you, things aren't going to end well. The screen game sucked, the run game sucked, and the passing game couldn't make up for it.

QB: Alex Smith needed to be perfect for us to win this game and he wasn't. While his throws in the first 2 INTs weren't bad, they weren't good enough to beat the tight coverage of McCourty on Avery. It was pretty much what I thought would happen without Bowe out there, he wasn't really in sync deep with Avery and was off with Hemmingway. There was very little rhythm.

WR core: They couldn't get any separation for most of the time today. Avery is not a #1 WR or even a capable #2. On any other team he would be a situational deep threat. You know that you are screwed when all 3 INTs from your QB came from targeting one WR. Hammond and the rest of the guys are depth players at best right now, Avery is barely serviceable.

OL: It's not a pretty game when you give up 4 sacks and only block for under 3 YPC from your star RB in Jamaal Charles; all this against a front 7 that is in the process of transitioning to a new scheme. Not all of those sacks were on them, but they allowed plenty of pressures and Smith had to run a lot more than you would like. Of course, the Wrs didn't help them any by not getting open down field against the Titans DBs.

Deep Ball to Avery: It was clear that Smith and Avery were not on the same page. The first INT was a timing location throw, the QB takes the snaps and throws it to a spot, expecting the WR to run his route there; Avery ended up drifting too far inside because of the lack of separation from McCourty and the ball ended up being picked because of it.

2nd INT was again off in timing with Avery. Smith released the ball a beat late and it resulted in an under throw to a WR who is poor at adjusting to the ball. Smith needs to release that pass earlier so that it either results in a completion or an overthrow.

3rd INT was right into Avery's chest, he just flat out dropped it and let it bounce out of his hands. Bowe makes that catch.

There's a reason why Avery hasn't been able to latch on anywhere else in the league, he just isn't a good receiver.

Tackling: We suck at it. Sutton needs to give the Seahawks a call and ask for tips.

Defensive Backs: Our secondary gave up too many easy completions.

Pass Rush: While we ended up with 4 sacks (2 from Houston, congrats) we needed to be even better than what we got from up front given the state of our secondary.

Run defense: We let Dexter McCluster out-produce Jamaal Charles on the ground with 9 carries. That is all you really need to know about our run defense today. It's going to be a long season for our defense without DJ manning the middle.

Kairos Santos: So much for him winning the job. The kid is terrible. He needs to get his act together or get replaced soon.

The Okay

QB: Some people won't want to hear this and will call me a Smith-homer or whatever, but while Smith wasn't on point with his two deep throws the resulted in INTs, he was pretty solid when not targeting Avery with the bomb. He hit on several 20+ plays and got yards with his feet when no one was open and the rush was getting home. After throwing the INTs, Smith didn't crumble and kept playing at a steady rate and wasn't afraid to keep throwing down field. I didn't see any mental weakness or boneheaded plays from him. Things just weren't clicking with the receivers. People will blow the INTs up in proportion but they actually weren't that bad, it's what happens when the deep throws aren't perfect and your target is mediocre.

TEs: Both Fasano and Kelce had a solid day out there. Fasano had one flub where he wasn't looking for the ball and let it just fly past him, but other than that they were solid. Smith may start to look for Kelce more if he keeps it up. My only real problem with the TEs was that they weren't used nearly as often as they should have been. Stupid coaching.

OTs: Was it just me or did our starting tackles have a decent game? Fisher looked a lot better and Jeff Allen is a step above Stephenson. The problem was the interior and blitz pick-up communication. Let's hope that Fisher builds on this performance from week to week.

Pass Rush: Justin Houston had a good game and Walker showed up well. Bailey had a really good sack as well. What we need is more consistency, if they can do that then the secondary should be ok.

Secondary: While they weren't great and gave up a lot of easy completions, they also didn't give up the huge plays that killed us in the past. Abdullah is definitely an upgrade over Lewis. Ron Parker played decently in place of Marcus Cooper and Sean Smith was solid.

[cmh6476]

this has no place at chiefsplanet, please take it elsehwere

[Iconic]

Cassel> Smith

[Hammock Parties]

Dat's ignant

[Hammock Parties]

While his throws in the first 2 INTs weren't bad

LMAO

Homers will never, ever get it.

EVER!!!

FOREVER!

NEVER!

[KCUnited]

Looks like Smith got paid and mailed it in.

[BlackHelicopters]

Glass half full

[KCrockaholic]

GTFO

[KCrockaholic]

LMAO

Homers will never, ever get it.

EVER!!!

FOREVER!

NEVER!

Pathetic. This guy was probably a Cassel ballwasher also.

[Discuss Thrower]

You're a fucking moron.

[Rausch]

I can't wait to see how many QB pressures we gave up this game. It has to be fucking insane...

[J Diddy]

LMAO

You should have expected to get blasted for that post.

There's a sign up on the outskirts of the little town of CP that reads:

Welcome to Chiefsplanet
Worldwide leader of the sandy bloody vag since 2001.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Dumbass

[KChiefer]

Is George still holding out? Or did we just cut him so he could write 10 things for the Titans and we get left with this garbage?

[The Bad Guy]

There was one player that was good today in the secondary. It was Berry. Everyone else is garbage.

It's a shame Dorsey didn't believe in upgrading corners to play the style of defense this staff wants.

[Three7s]

There was one player that was good today in the secondary. It was Berry. Everyone else is garbage.

It's a shame Dorsey didn't believe in upgrading corners to play the style of defense this staff wants.
This is what happens when you enter cap hell. Had to get rid of two players that were, obviously, better than what we have now.

[FloridaMan88]

It's a shame Dorsey didn't believe in upgrading corners to play the style of defense this staff wants.

Likewise with the WR position on offense.

It is no secret to anyone (except Dorsey apparently) that Reid likes to throw the ball.

Yet the Chiefs have a WR group that would be among the worst in the SEC, let alone the NFL.

[bevischief]

Don't care fix it.

[Rasputin]

There was one player that was good today in the secondary. It was Berry. Everyone else is garbage.

It's a shame Dorsey didn't believe in upgrading corners to play the style of defense this staff wants.


I'm still dumbfounded that we gave up Brandon Flowers & just let him walk.

[Rausch]

This is what happens when you enter cap hell. Had to get rid of two players that were, obviously, better than what we have now.

Flat out bull$#it lie...

[KCrockaholic]

There was one player that was good today in the secondary. It was Berry. Everyone else is garbage.

It's a shame Dorsey didn't believe in upgrading corners to play the style of defense this staff wants.

We have supposedly physical, man to man style corners in a league built around not being physical with the receivers. And then when our physical corners get beat on routes, they have zero closing ability to make a play on the ball.

[Rausch]

I'm still dumbfounded that we gave up Brandon Flowers & just let him walk.

We didn't let him walk.
Had we let him walk we probably would have gotten a comp pick.

We kicked him out and won't get jack $3it now...

[Rasputin]

Draft a freaking quarterback with our first pick next year.


That's all I really care about if we aren't going have a chance at not only making the playoffs but to win a freaking playoff game.


Draft a freaking quarterback and start building a team with him.

[KCrockaholic]

It is very strange having an offense built around passing with a mediocre QB and a great runningback. Our personnel is complete opposite of the style Andy wants to call.

[fatbronco]

It's year two under Reid. Playing 3rd string QBs last year didn't do him any favors besides giving a false sense of improvement. The Chiefs need to draft better now that they are hitched to Smith, JC deserves better.

[New World Order]

That may be the last time we ever see an effective DJ.

[Rasputin]

We didn't let him walk.
Had we let him walk we probably would have gotten a comp pick.

We kicked him out and won't get jack $3it now...

JFC Chiefs got the dumb.

[KCrockaholic]

It's year two under Reid. Playing 3rd string QBs last year didn't do him any favors besides giving a false sense of improvement. The Chiefs need to draft better now that they are hitched to Smith, JC deserves better.

JC deserves better. DJ deserved better. Hali deserves better. Berry deserves better. Colquitt deserves better.

[cmh6476]

my rep comment is accurate if blow it up is the reference

[OldSchool]

That may be the last time we ever see an effective DJ.

Yeah, they're going to have to find a replacement really really soon.

[TEX]

They looked exactly like they did in preseason. No need to panic. Just accept the fact that the Chiefs suck and the plan from the get go this off season was that it was gonna be a "throw away" year. It is what it is.

[J Diddy]

Likewise with the WR position on offense.

It is no secret to anyone (except Dorsey apparently) that Reid likes to throw the ball.

Yet the Chiefs have a WR group that would be among the worst in the Missouri Valley Conference, let alone the NFL.

FYP

[3rd Quarter 38-10]

Maybe the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders will suck too.

[The Bad Guy]

This is what happens when you enter cap hell. Had to get rid of two players that were, obviously, better than what we have now.

No, it's not. They didn't have to get rid of Flowers, but I'm not even talking about Flowers here.

I'm talking about getting physical man to man corners that can actually cover. They went out and tried to get zero of them in free agency and the draft.

They ignored the OL, WR and CBs in an off-season where they were the biggest needs.

It's an epic fail on Dorsey's part.

[cmh6476]

Maybe the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders will suck too.

sucking with Manning or Rivers is different than sucking with alice smif methinks

[Saccopoo]

There was one player that was good today in the secondary. It was Berry. Everyone else is garbage.

It's a shame Dorsey didn't believe in upgrading corners to play the style of defense this staff wants.

Berry would have been good. If he could have tackled. Jesus Eric, wrap somebody, anybody up. Embarrassing lack of fundamentals on his part.

And, as I said elsewhere, Poe was getting absolutely handled all game long. Just stood up and re-routed by the center one on one and the Titans ran the ball right past him. I wonder if coordinators have figured him out, because it was that way at the end of the season last year.

[KCrockaholic]

MLB James Anderson was cut by the Patriots recently. Might be worth looking at.

Pat Angerer is also available according to what I'm looking at.

[Saccopoo]

No, it's not. They didn't have to get rid of Flowers, but I'm not even talking about Flowers here.

I'm talking about getting physical man to man corners that can actually cover. They went out and tried to get zero of them in free agency and the draft.

They ignored the OL, WR and CBs in an off-season where they were the biggest needs.

It's an epic fail on Dorsey's part.

At least he stuck to his draft board.

[FloridaMan88]

They looked exactly like they did in preseason. No need to panic. Just accept the fact that the Chiefs suck and the plan from the get go this off season was that it was gonna be a "throw away" year. It is what it is.

Generally teams going with the "throw away"/rebuilding year route don't give 30 year old starting QB's $68 million contract extensions.

[Silock]

Not blaming Smith's throws for the first 2 INTs is blatant homerism.

Those were BAD THROWS.

[KCrockaholic]

Not blaming Smith's throws for the first 2 INTs is blatant homerism.

Those were BAD THROWS.

Poor decisions. And poor throws.

It had nothing to do with timing either.

[KChiefer]

It is very strange having an offense built around passing with a mediocre QB and a great runningback. Our personnel is complete opposite of the style Andy wants to call.

He had great RBs in philly. But yes, our personnel otherwise is the opposite.

[SAUTO]

Not blaming Smith's throws for the first 2 INTs is blatant homerism.

Those were BAD THROWS.

And the third was also behind him, on the wrong shoulder towards the db...
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[TEX]

Generally teams going with the "throw away"/rebuilding year route don't give 30 year old starting QB's $68 million contract extensions.

Its the Chiefs we're talking about here...They did NOTHING all off season. They never intended to win this season. They will reload beginning next season and try and win with a retread QB. Sound familiar???

[Saccopoo]

Not blaming Smith's throws for the first 2 INTs is blatant homerism.

Those were BAD THROWS.

First on was on Avery. He did drift inside/didn't hold his position. That's on him.

Second one was on Smith.

[KCinNY]

Draft a freaking quarterback and start building a team with him.

Sorry...such a move is expressly against Hunt family doctrine. Overpaying another team for a medoicre vet qb is the only way to build a winner!

[Red Dawg]

This team is young and that's it. No experience in most positions and Alex is a guy does not make chicken salad out of chicken shit. He needs weapons and has none. The cap fugged us this year and Dorsey fugged us with the OL and by not drafting a WR.

This team will go 0-8.

[FloridaMan88]

This team is young and that's it.

Alex Smith is 30

Anthony Fasano is 30

Jamaal Charles is 27 (and measured in RB years)

Donnie Avery is 30

Dwayne Bowe is 29

Tamba Hali is 30

Mike DeVito is 30

Derrick Johnson is 31

Husain Abdullah is 29

Those are all starters/key players 30 or near 30.

The youth excuse doesn't work.

[J Diddy]

Alex Smith is 30

Anthony Fasano is 30

Jamaal Charles is 27 (and measured in RB years)

Donnie Avery is 30

Dwayne Bowe is 29

Tamba Hali is 30

Mike DeVito is 30

Derrick Johnson is 31

Husain Abdullah is 29

Those are all starters/key players 30 or near 30.

The youth excuse doesn't work.



LMAO

[Baby Lee]

2014 Chiefs hangover

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/wasted-22.jpg

[the Talking Can]

that's the lowest standard ever applied to a QB


cassel was as good as 14 Elways today by this grading curve

[Rausch]

2014 Chiefs hangover

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/wasted-22.jpg

Still holding the bottle/glass.

That guy's a winner...

[Hammock Parties]

Bowe makes that catch.

Holy fuck, a dipshit checkdown QB-loving homer says something good about Dwayne Bowe.

Satan's cock just got goosebumps.

[Silock]

Still holding the bottle/glass.

That guy's a winner...

NOT A DROP WASTED!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Smith , new contract ...3 ints
Charles , new contract ... 19 yards

Houston , no contract ... 2 sacks

[J Diddy]

Smith , new contract ...3 ints
Charles , new contract ... 19 yards

Houston , no contract ... 2 sacks

Weird.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Good analysis, OldSchool.

A rather long way of saying the Chiefs will be 4-12, but appreciative anyway.

[CallMeSquidwad]

Alex Smith is 30

Anthony Fasano is 30

Jamaal Charles is 27 (and measured in RB years)

Donnie Avery is 30

Dwayne Bowe is 29

Tamba Hali is 30

Mike DeVito is 30

Derrick Johnson is 31

Husain Abdullah is 29

Those are all starters/key players 30 or near 30.

The youth excuse doesn't work.
We are the 3rd youngest team in the league.

[RobBlake]

Holy ****, a dipshit checkdown QB-loving homer says something good about Dwayne Bowe.

Satan's cock just got goosebumps.

so a WR shouldn't be blamed? Check

[JohnnyHammersticks]

That kind of unabashed negativity would've gotten you banned from the gamethread today, Oldschool. Not to puts words in the moderator's mouth, but you need to be more positive going forward. Think of the children, for god's sake!

[Simply Red]

Looks like Smith got paid and mailed it in.

Dad? is that you?

[penguinz]

That may be the last time we ever see an effective DJ.

He will be back for next season at almoat 100%. Depending on what procedure will determine how close.

[Dave Lane]

And the third was also behind him, on the wrong shoulder towards the db...
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This is why Alex Smith doesn't throw the ball down the field he's fucking incompetent that's why he's horrific and that's why they stopped having him throw the ball down the field. If Andy makes him throw more balls down the field he will become a giant pick machine, again.

[DeezNutz]

Those were some of the prettiest INTs that I've ever seen.

[BWillie]

Draft a freaking quarterback with our first pick next year.


That's all I really care about if we aren't going have a chance at not only making the playoffs but to win a freaking playoff game.


Draft a freaking quarterback and start building a team with him.

Too late. You have Smith for the next 5 years. Imagine the cap hit if you cut him, even after next season

[Rams Fan]

Those of you using youth as an excuses are morans.

[BWillie]

Smith , new contract ...3 ints
Charles , new contract ... 19 yards

Houston , no contract ... 2 sacks

Its as almost as if 70% of CP already advocated paying Houston, letting Alex play out his contract. And, with Jamaal...you didnt actually need to pay him. Theres no reason to. With the new CBA, its almost impossible to sit out financially if you are a player for more than a few games.

[Discuss Thrower]

Should have traded Jamaal the second he didn't report to TC. The team isn't going anywhere with him and he's not going to get any better. Flipping the guy for a 4th rounder at the very least would have been worth it.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

I'm not an Alex Smith fan at all. In fact, Reid and Dorsey were pleasantly surprising me by not agreeing to Smith's contract demands right away. I stupidly thought that they knew better than to tie their fates to a QB who can't throw intermediate and deep passes any better than Smith can. So at the end of the day, Reid and Dorsey are what they appeared to me to be, in over their heads.

That being said, a QB with the combined talents of Joe Montana, John Elway, and Brett Farve in their primes couldn't have made chicken salad out of the chicken shit that John Dorsey has assembled at WR. Historically deep draft at WR? Don't bother Big John Dorsey with that noise, he's already taken care of us at that position. Take all your stud rookie wideouts--we're set, right John? Other than Bowe, we don't have a single WR who wouldn't clear waivers. The Jags and the Panthers wouldn't even have an interest. That's okay though, it's not like WR is that important in today's NFL or anything. **** you John Dorsey.

[Rausch]

Its as almost as if 70% of CP already advocated paying Houston, letting Alex play out his contract. And, with Jamaal...you didnt actually need to pay him. Theres no reason to. With the new CBA, its almost impossible to sit out financially if you are a player for more than a few games.

BECAUSE WE ARE THE CHIEFS...

[mdchiefsfan]

Should have traded Jamaal the second he didn't report to TC. The team isn't going anywhere with him and he's not going to get any better. Flipping the guy for a 4th rounder at the very least would have been worth it.

Not when you draft like Dorsey

[Discuss Thrower]

Not when you draft like Dorsey

The team had a moral obligation to Jamaal to let him have a chance to win a ring somewhere.

[Buehler445]

Not blaming Smith's throws for the first 2 INTs is blatant homerism.

Those were BAD THROWS.

This. Those are completions, and the first one is 6 if he doesn't underthrow them.

[aturnis]

I thought it was cute when Alex thought he was capable of throwing the deep ball on those 2 INT's.

This game was pretty much par for the course for Alex. Only exception being his downfield attempts.

If he's not holding onto the ball, he's checking down. If he's not checking down, he's running or throwing out of bounds. All that and no arm to boot.

[Rausch]

This. Those are completions, and the first one is 6 if he doesn't underthrow them.

Reid took complete blame for the one at the end of the half. He said he "called that" and pretty much stated he wanted Alex to go deep to Avery on that play.

Which, just.....fucking stupidity...

[Reerun_KC]

Reid needs to go away and fast...

[Rasputin]

Too late. You have Smith for the next 5 years. Imagine the cap hit if you cut him, even after next season



I maybe mistaken however doesn't the draftees have thier own cap scale that doesn't really affect the cap?


Didn't they make that out in the PA contract resolve a few years ago so vets could get paid better?

Shouldn't matter draft a kid, don't have to cut Alex Smith just make them compete or keep Alex Smith around for "mentor" what ever they got to do.


Always an excuse not to draft a quarterback but it's high time Chiefs draft a QBotf.

[Snapplez]

Reid took complete blame for the one at the end of the half. He said he "called that" and pretty much stated he wanted Alex to go deep to Avery on that play.

Which, just.....****ing stupidity...

Its stupid to make a final decision where you're throwin the ball before the snap, yes. But the throw it self was absolutely horrific. Several yards behind Avery towards the sideline. Throw that ball towards the middle and he would've walked in untouched

[FloridaMan88]

We are the 3rd youngest team in the league.

Third string offensive linemen and guys on IR don't count.

The Chiefs core group… the players that actually matter… are for the most part near or at 30 years old.

[Mav]

No Bowe, DAT.......

When you have limited weapons, and you lose your best receiver, and a guy you have huge hopes for as a weapon, and are relying on scrubs like Hemmingway, and Hammond, you are going to have some struggles.

Its a game. One game. Alex Smith played one of his worst games ever.

Moving on to week two.

[Discuss Thrower]

No Bowe, DAT.......

When you have limited weapons, and you lose your best receiver, and a guy you have huge hopes for as a weapon, and are relying on scrubs like Hemmingway, and Hammond, you are going to have some struggles.

Its a game. One game. Alex Smith played one of his worst games ever.

Moving on to week two.

I look forward to the day in which you no longer plague this online community.

Just stop. Bowe wasn't going go to cure Alex Smith's glaring deficiencies as a quarterback. D'AT is nothing more than a special teams role player.

[DeezNutz]

I thought it was cute when Alex thought he was capable of throwing the deep ball on those 2 INT's.

This game was pretty much past four the course for Alex. Only exception being his downfield attempts.

If he's not holding onto the ball, he's checking down. If he's not checking down, he's running or throwing out of bounds. All that and no arm to boot.

Par for...

[BigCatDaddy]

I still think Old School HAS to be a BlackBob mult. There can't be 2 people in the world that stupid.

[milkman]

I believe you have "level" confused with "knuckle".

[DeezNutz]

I feel better knowing that the INTs were only timing issues. At first, I was worried that they were the result of an overpaid QB throwing dying ducks.

[Mav]

I look forward to the day in which you no longer plague this online community.

Just stop. Bowe wasn't going go to cure Alex Smith's glaring deficiencies as a quarterback. D'AT is nothing more than a special teams role player.

If you spent more time arguing the post, than having an irrational dislike for the poster, you would understand better what I was saying.

You must of missed where I said that Alex Smith played quite possibly his worst game as a pro.

Now, excuse me, but please, get your blubber off my nuts.

[O.city]

Both INTs were underthrows to a WR that had a step or two on his WR.

Anyway, like most here, I wasn't too upset. We are obviously 3 or 4 years away from anything, if we ever get there. Frankly, I'm over it. Maybe it's just life too getting in the way, but I didn't seem to get too upset either way. With an awesome little 1 year old, a new practice and such, I don't seem to have time for the Chiefs anyway.

I'll still check in to talk Cardinals baseball, golf, and some college football, but in terms of the Chiefs, this is probably my last post for a while. Anyone wants to hit me up or needs anything, you knwo where to find me.

[SAUTO]

I feel better knowing that the INTs were only timing issues. At first, I was worried that they were the result of an overpaid QB throwing dying ducks.

No, they were perfect passes. Avery is so bad the ball changed its flight path because it didn't want him touching it.
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[BigCatDaddy]

Both INTs were underthrows to a WR that had a step or two on his WR.

Anyway, like most here, I wasn't too upset. We are obviously 3 or 4 years away from anything, if we ever get there. Frankly, I'm over it. Maybe it's just life too getting in the way, but I didn't seem to get too upset either way. With an awesome little 1 year old, a new practice and such, I don't seem to have time for the Chiefs anyway.

I'll still check in to talk Cardinals baseball, golf, and some college football, but in terms of the Chiefs, this is probably my last post for a while. Anyone wants to hit me up or needs anything, you knwo where to find me.

The frustrating thing about his team is unlike the shit Herm teams is that there doesn't appear to be a lot of talent that just needs to time to blossom. This team is loaded with old ass over paid vets and bunch of off the street worthless steaming piles of shit. There is nothing to build around. I'm not seeing any hope in sight for this franchise. The GM sucks, the coach sucks, and the QB sucks and the owner isn't selling or firing anybody after 2 years. Pathetic.

[Mav]

The frustrating thing about his team is unlike the shit Herm teams is that there doesn't appear to be a lot of talent that just needs to time to blossom. This team is loaded with old ass over paid vets and bunch of off the street worthless steaming piles of shit. There is nothing to build around. I'm not seeing any hope in sight for this franchise.

It does seem that there will be a lot of change to come in the next offseason.

The only bright side I saw was that the oline didn't look as awful as I thought it would. Not great, but not a complete shit show. Missed Bowe bad, and Owens is every bit as fucking awful as I saw last year. Need Cooper.

[O.city]

The frustrating thing about his team is unlike the shit Herm teams is that there doesn't appear to be a lot of talent that just needs to time to blossom. This team is loaded with old ass over paid vets and bunch of off the street worthless steaming piles of shit. There is nothing to build around. I'm not seeing any hope in sight for this franchise. The GM sucks, the coach sucks, and the QB sucks and the owner isn't selling or firing anybody after 2 years. Pathetic.

I dont' necessarily agree.

Houston, Poe, Berry, Cooper are your defensive young core to build around. Those old ass overpaid vets are just that at this point.

Theres young talent on this team, it just needs to be developed. I'm not for sure but that the previous couple regimes stink isn't still infecting some of the older aging vets. Of course they are completely relying on young unproven vets at alot of spots this year and have a QB that frankly, is over his head.

This is, IMO, what should have happened last year. Burn the whole thing down and build it up. Instead, we bandaided it trying to do whatever we were trying to do.

[Mav]

I dont' necessarily agree.

Houston, Poe, Berry, Cooper are your defensive young core to build around. Those old ass overpaid vets are just that at this point.

Theres young talent on this team, it just needs to be developed. I'm not for sure but that the previous couple regimes stink isn't still infecting some of the older aging vets. Of course they are completely relying on young unproven vets at alot of spots this year and have a QB that frankly, is over his head.

This is, IMO, what should have happened last year. Burn the whole thing down and build it up. Instead, we bandaided it trying to do whatever we were trying to do.

that's a great point.

[Ragged Robin]

Don't forget Bob Sutton's candy ass 3rd down defense. They couldn't stop anything on 3rd and long all game.

[BigCatDaddy]

I dont' necessarily agree.

Houston, Poe, Berry, Cooper are your defensive young core to build around. Those old ass overpaid vets are just that at this point.

Theres young talent on this team, it just needs to be developed. I'm not for sure but that the previous couple regimes stink isn't still infecting some of the older aging vets. Of course they are completely relying on young unproven vets at alot of spots this year and have a QB that frankly, is over his head.

This is, IMO, what should have happened last year. Burn the whole thing down and build it up. Instead, we bandaided it trying to do whatever we were trying to do.

But who on offense? I'm sure every team has 3-4 decent young players on the team. This is nothing compared to the young talent Pioli/Haley inherited. Bowe, Charles, Hali, Albert, Flowers, Carr.... Outside of QB the corner stone positions you want on a team.

[jd1020]

Nuke it.

[aturnis]

Par for...

Hahaha. Autocorrect, but that's a funny one. Thanks, I'll fix it.

[Rausch]

Nuke it.

http://strangesounds.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/atomic-bomb-explosion-gif.gif

[ChiefsCountry]

I still think Old School HAS to be a BlackBob mult. There can't be 2 people in the world that stupid.

No he is a 49er troll.

[Mav]

But who on offense? I'm sure every team has 3-4 decent young players on the team. This is nothing compared to the young talent Pioli/Haley inherited. Bowe, Charles, Hali, Albert, Flowers, Carr.... Outside of QB the corner stone positions you want on a team.

well, I mean, I just don't see it.

So far in two drafts, they have added Kelce, and Knile Davis. They may of added a weapon in DAT, but his first NFL game and he couldn't play. They have to spend almost the entire draft on offense this next season, and find another corner to go with gaines, and cooper. They have a shit ton of work to do. my feeling is they are going to cut the entire team. who knows if DJ will ever come back to where he was. Hali looked slow, and I didn't see DEE FORD at all.

[xztop123]

DJ, our senior player on the entire team suffered a career ending injury...

[KCrockaholic]

DJ, our senior player on the entire team suffered a career ending injury...

JFC, he'll be back next year.

[xztop123]

JFC, he'll be back next year.

nah you dont come back from this injury

[Mav]

No he is a 49er troll.

awwww. someones pussy still hurt? At this point, Oldschool isn't a troll. he just likes to talk football, and you are a bitter little bitch. So get some summers eve, flush out the sand, and grow the fuck up.

[xztop123]

DJ is one tough dude. I met him at a rooftop pool in KC he was a cool guy... Kinda sad but he was getting old I guess.

[Mav]

JFC, he'll be back next year.

It is an injury that nukes explosiveness. to a 32 year old player when he finally gets back, this is devastating. he will never be the same player, and he may never play for the Chiefs again.

[jd1020]

well, I mean, I just don't see it.

So far in two drafts, they have added Kelce, and Knile Davis. They may of added a weapon in DAT, but his first NFL game and he couldn't play. They have to spend almost the entire draft on offense this next season, and find another corner to go with gaines, and cooper. They have a shit ton of work to do. my feeling is they are going to cut the entire team. who knows if DJ will ever come back to where he was. Hali looked slow, and I didn't see DEE FORD at all.

Kelce is still a question and I'm not really sure what people have seen in Knile Davis to put him in the "contributing player" group.

[penbrook]

nah you dont come back from this injury

70% of players who suffered this type of injury never step on the field.

80% of them are never the same again. There play drastically declines

[Mav]

Kelce is still a question and I'm not really sure what people have seen in Knile Davis to put him in the "contributing player" group.

I would completely agree with that. And yes, Kelce is definitely a question. But he is far better of an option than Fasano at this point. He at the very least brings some down the field abilities. Something that was non existent from the tight end last year.

Im grasping at straws here because I see Dee Ford doing nothing, yet I see Kelvin Benjamin completely man childing the tampa defense with Derek Anderson as his qb and wonder what could of been.

[Easy 6]

Stop blaming the ****ing corners, ALL of you.

They were getting the stops until they finally just gassed out, the offense didnt do SHIT to help them and left them out there to sink or swim, we've seen this before its nothing new.

The offense didnt get a touchdown until the FOURTH quarter, stop blaming the corners.

[okcchief]

You know after our non-exsistant free agency period this is what I expected. When Denver nutted up to boot I wanted to go into full rebuild mode. Obviously at this point in his career Reid isn't interested in waiting a few years and is in denial. Making the Smith deal a week before the season started just made me sick. There was zero reason to do it. I feel like we are back with Pioli again with an upgrade at coach. The drafts have sucked and the decisions overall have been shit. I just feel like we are gonna have to wait even longer now. We need a organization that is willing to start from scratch and do it right or we are doomed to roam in purgatory.

[Mav]

You know after our non-exsistant free agency period this is what I expected. When Denver nutted up to boot I wanted to go into full rebuild mode. Obviously at this point in his career Reid isn't interested in waiting a few years and is in denial. Making the Smith deal a week before the season started just made me sick. There was zero reason to do it. I feel like we are back with Pioli again with an upgrade at coach. The drafts have sucked and the decisions overall have been shit. I just feel like we are gonna have to wait even longer now. We need a organization that is willing to start from scratch and do it right or we are doomed to roam in purgatory.

That's the thing I see that im not sure anyone agrees with me on. I see that coming. DJ getting hurt I think will expedite that process. I see a whole lot of turnover coming during this next offseason. The turnover is going to happen, but I think to most that turn over means at qb, and that's not going to happen. Well, I mean it could, if Alex wants to keep turning the ball over.

[xztop123]

2 injuries is very suspicious though.

I think this is due to a poor foot tape job... or something athletic trainer related..

[Easy 6]

2 injuries is very suspicious though.

I think this is due to a poor foot tape job... or something athletic trainer related..

I blame their weak ass chins.

[okcchief]

That's the thing I see that im not sure anyone agrees with me on. I see that coming. DJ getting hurt I think will expedite that process. I see a whole lot of turnover coming during this next offseason. The turnover is going to happen, but I think to most that turn over means at qb, and that's not going to happen. Well, I mean it could, if Alex wants to keep turning the ball over.
After we win four games max this year there will be no choice. Hopefully Alex takes such a beating he hangs it up :)

[jd1020]

2 injuries is very suspicious though.

I think this is due to a poor foot tape job... or something athletic trainer related..

LMAO

[aturnis]

At least he stuck to his draft board.

Not sure if sarcasm. Didn't matter though, his draft boards suck. Two drafts, not a single real contributor yet.

[kcxiv]

Yup no real impact players from his 2 drafts yet. One first rounder was drafted for next year. How many snaps did Dee ford even play

[aturnis]

Never saw him...

[Ming the Merciless]

Yup no real impact players from his 2 drafts yet. One first rounder was drafted for next year. How many snaps did Dee ford even play

Only time I heard his name was after they carted our real players off the field

never saw him make a single play

but honestly I had started to drink by that time

[ViperVisor]

Smith was not expecting the O-Line to do good.

Early in the game he was not dropping back and setting up. He would take 3 steps back and look for 1 pass and then bail out.
He was sure the consent failures in the preseason would continue.

He gave himself no chance on the early 3rd and 3. Took 1 peek and starting running right.

From the 2nd quarter on he got back to good drops and stepping up.

Other good chances in TEN territory that flopped
A 3rd and 3 Avery False Start hurt a drive
A 2nd and long batted pass hurt a drive

Would of had a 2nd 20 yard pass to Kelce but the defender lunged and knocked the ball away. That might of led to a score to keep the game in reach.

1st INT is on Avery.
Avery is a yard off the numbers near the sideline. He runs a streak and Smith lets it go.
Because Avery wilts away from any contact he subtlety takes the route to the inside on the numbers when he sees the DB in front of him. He has to fall back after he locates the ball because the pass is down the lane he was originally in. WRs who aren't afraid of a little contact will run through and by a defended maybe use a little elbow to gain space.
It was a chance play of maybe you get a flag or maybe the WR comes down with it or maybe it is an INT.
There was no chance for the 1st 2 because Avery lacks any physicality or jump ball ability.

The only O-Line pass protection breakdown I saw was 3 in the 4th Q. That is when it was all pass and DL is crashing to the QB.

[KChiefer]

"There was no chance for the 1st 2 because Avery lacks any physicality or jump ball ability."

And that's why its not on Avery. If he doesn't have the ability, you don't air it out unless its broken coverage and you definitely don't under throw it, which it was twice. Avery had his screw ups, but the first 2 picks were not on him.

[TEX]

That's the thing I see that im not sure anyone agrees with me on. I see that coming. DJ getting hurt I think will expedite that process. I see a whole lot of turnover coming during this next offseason. The turnover is going to happen, but I think to most that turn over means at qb, and that's not going to happen. Well, I mean it could, if Alex wants to keep turning the ball over.

Had LOTS of turnover THIS year. If the lost talent isn't replaced, you get to where the Chiefs are now...

[TEX]

You know after our non-exsistant free agency period this is what I expected. When Denver nutted up to boot I wanted to go into full rebuild mode. Obviously at this point in his career Reid isn't interested in waiting a few years and is in denial. Making the Smith deal a week before the season started just made me sick. There was zero reason to do it. I feel like we are back with Pioli again with an upgrade at coach. The drafts have sucked and the decisions overall have been shit. I just feel like we are gonna have to wait even longer now. We need a organization that is willing to start from scratch and do it right or we are doomed to roam in purgatory.

This.
Houston was the one to sign first. All part of a series of bad decisions to get us to this point. And you're right in that we might be here awhile. Again...

[chiefs1111]

Yup no real impact players from his 2 drafts yet. One first rounder was drafted for next year. How many snaps did Dee ford even play

I don't think he was on the field once today

[EyePod]

He will be back for next season at almoat 100%. Depending on what procedure will determine how close.

From my experience, a good friend of mine ruptured his achilles playing volleyball (no one was near him). He lost over 2" of vertical (that's a lot). Hasn't been the same since. Granted, this guy was in his late 40's at the time and definitely didn't have NFL quality doctors looking at him. So let's hope DJ has a better recovery.

[Chiefnj2]

"There was no chance for the 1st 2 because Avery lacks any physicality or jump ball ability."

And that's why its not on Avery. If he doesn't have the ability, you don't air it out unless its broken coverage and you definitely don't under throw it, which it was twice. Avery had his screw ups, but the first 2 picks were not on him.

It's on Reid and Dorsey for not upgrading WR.

Tough to tell your QB you can't throw to the #1 WR unless he has 5 yards separation because he can't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

[BigCatDaddy]

From my experience, a good friend of mine ruptured his achilles playing volleyball (no one was near him). He lost over 2" of vertical (that's a lot). Hasn't been the same since. Granted, this guy was in his late 40's at the time and definitely didn't have NFL quality doctors looking at him. So let's hope DJ has a better recovery.

Guys in their late 40's know what their vertical is? LMAO

[rabblerouser]

It's on Reid and Dorsey for not upgrading WR.

Tough to tell your QB you can't throw to the #1 WR unless he has 5 yards separation because he can't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.



This. Even WITH Bowe, these WRs aren't a threat to an average NFL secondary. No matter who is throwing the ball.

[Sandy Vagina]

It's on Reid and Dorsey for not upgrading WR.

Tough to tell your QB you can't throw to the #1 WR unless he has 5 yards separation because he can't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

Yes, Avery should be no more than a #3 on a un-stacked roster. He goes in as a #1? Lolz... Most QBs really need some kind of run game too. That run game turned out to be the QB's 36 yds and a 6 ypc to lead the charge. How does that even happen, when you have Jamaal Charles? who had a 2.7 ypc on just 7 carries? :doh!:


Oh, and just so it's clear... Alex played poorly... not at all saying otherwise. What I am saying is that it's pretty unreasonable to have expected otherwise, after seeing how all other aspects of the team were performing.

[rabblerouser]

Yes, Avery should be no more than a #3 on a un-stacked roster. He goes in as a #1? Lolz... Most QBs really need some kind of run game too. That run game turned out to be the QB's 36 yds and a 6 ypc to lead the charge. How does that even happen, when you have Jamaal Charles? who had a 2.7 ypc on just 7 carries? :doh!:


Oh, and just so it's clear... Alex played poorly... not at all saying otherwise. What I am saying is that it's pretty unreasonable to have expected otherwise, after seeing how all other aspects of the team were performing.

Uh Zackey

[BigCatDaddy]

Yes, Avery should be no more than a #3 on a un-stacked roster. He goes in as a #1? Lolz... Most QBs really need some kind of run game too. That run game turned out to be the QB's 36 yds and a 6 ypc to lead the charge. How does that even happen, when you have Jamaal Charles? who had a 2.7 ypc on just 7 carries? :doh!:


Oh, and just so it's clear... Alex played poorly... not at all saying otherwise. What I am saying is that it's pretty unreasonable to have expected otherwise, after seeing how all other aspects of the team were performing.

Exactly. You take a mediocre QB, and put him behind a poor line and give him below avg receiving threats and expect production? Reid maybe be a good play caller, but the DC's in the league that get a paycheck for a reason to.

[Sandy Vagina]

Exactly. You take a mediocre QB, and put him behind a poor line and give him below avg receiving threats and expect production? Reid maybe be a good play caller, but the DC's in the league that get a paycheck for a reason to.

Reid seems like a horrible play caller... and Smith is better than mediocre, but no point in aggressively arguing that.

To the last part, it wouldn't surprise me if Tennessee ends up with a top 10 defense this year. They looked really good... but maybe we will make every D look good.

[rabblerouser]

Exactly. You take a mediocre QB, and put him behind a poor line and give him below avg receiving threats and expect production? Reid maybe be a good play caller, but the DC's in the league that get a paycheck for a reason to.

ANY QB with a poor line and below average WRs (and terrible playcalling) is not going to perform well.

Reid is a terrible playcaller.

I think the whole coaching staff is terrible. Pederson and Sutton are horrible. Dorsey sucks.

Last year wasn't enough to wash the bad taste out of my mouth...it wasn't rosy enough to win me back.

[BigCatDaddy]

Reid seems like a horrible play caller... and Smith is better than mediocre, but no point in aggressively arguing that.

To the last part, it wouldn't surprise me if Tennessee ends up with a top 10 defense this year. They looked really good... but maybe we will make every D look good.

32 teams.. most sane people say he's in the 15-20 range with 32 teams that is avg/mediocre.

[Sandy Vagina]

32 teams.. most sane people say he's in the 15-20 range with 32 teams that is avg/mediocre.

That's fine. That's not all that far off from where I'd have him.. and he may even drop, with more games like yesterday's.

[Molitoth]

You know after our non-exsistant free agency period this is what I expected. When Denver nutted up to boot I wanted to go into full rebuild mode. Obviously at this point in his career Reid isn't interested in waiting a few years and is in denial. Making the Smith deal a week before the season started just made me sick. There was zero reason to do it. I feel like we are back with Pioli again with an upgrade at coach. The drafts have sucked and the decisions overall have been shit. I just feel like we are gonna have to wait even longer now. We need a organization that is willing to start from scratch and do it right or we are doomed to roam in purgatory.

To be fair to Herm, he felt this same way... blew it all up and drafted some very nice players, and threw them out there. He even drafted a QB and gave him a fair shot... it's too bad Croyle was suck.

[notorious]

To be fair to Herm, he felt this same way... blew it all up and drafted some very nice players, and threw them out there. He even drafted a QB and gave him a fair shot... it's too bad Croyle was suck.

Herms failure was putting whatever shitty QB we had in a bad position with constant 3rd and longs.


R2P2. If Herm had a strong O-Coordinator things might have been different.

[the Talking Can]

why you should panic:

Reid designed our gameplan around our franchise QB instead of Charles



results speak for themselves


fyi, listening to Reid's post game...sounds like he is trying to breathe with tator tots stuck in his nose

[rabblerouser]

why you should panic:

Reid designed our gameplan around our franchise QB instead of Charles



results speak for themselves




When that franchise QB has a 3rd string o-line and practice squad WRs, what do you expect??

Even Joe Montana in his prime couldn't turn these scrubs into the 89 49ers.

Edit : or even the 93 Cheifs

[scho63]

Why you shouldn't panic:

You must have drank a LOT yesterday, I mean a real lot!

[keg in kc]

It's starting like 2011 all over again. Part injuries and part coaching. One concern I had after last season was an apparent inability to adjust by our coaching staff, and it seemed like the same thing happened yesterday. Other teams struggle for a while and then eventually find something that works and we never seem to counter anything. In a general sense, with this staff it seems like very little positive change happens over the course of a game. We'll see if that continues when the staff has the full complement of players in the next 3 weeks. Assuming we don't lose anybody else to serious injury. (And even with injuries, teams can still find ways to win. Can we? DJ is such an enormous loss. We're probably going to have to win shootouts if we win at all).