Eric Fisher sucked against Denver. Proof inside!

[Hammock Parties]

On these 20 plays, he is not doing a good job. 20/75 is 27 percent. If your LT is sucking 27 percent of the time, he deserves a poor grade.

Let's go to the tape, homers! Suckage presented in chronological order. Gifs will load in post #2 and #3.

[Hammock Parties]

Run blocking:

Fisher is supposed to cut #97 here but instead he ends up rolling around on the ground like a doofus while his man gets in on the tackle.


http://i.imgur.com/RqLoVFz.gif


Charles actually has a decent hole if Fisher does his job. Instead, 2 yard gain. Utter shit.

http://i.imgur.com/PqRiRmJ.jpg

Fisher gets fucking body slammed at the point of attack. This is just embarrassing. No hole in the middle, so Knile is forced to bounce outside for a minimal gain.


http://i.imgur.com/PLz5WPt.gif


Fisher is assigned to block #96. He tries to butt block him after completely losing control. One-yard gain.


http://i.imgur.com/tA42SfU.gif


Look at the hole Knile had if Fisher didn't suck. Instead he is forced to cut back to his right into pursuit.

http://i.imgur.com/1NUlLOg.jpg

This is a touchdown, but only because Knile makes up for a horrible block by Fisher. If Fisher does his job, Knile walks into the end zone. Instead he makes a nice move.


http://i.imgur.com/hhkseHY.gif


Here comes the mighty Eric Fisher, leading Alex Smith on the QB sweep! Woooo look at him move! Look at him slide into 2nd base perfectly, completely fail to block that LB, and get his QB fucking creamed. Great job, doofus.


http://i.imgur.com/SFEGuRq.gif


Another play where Fisher has no idea how to control his man. He ends up being tossed aside like a rag doll, too. Two-yard gain. Fisher is lucky he didn't get called for holding.


http://i.imgur.com/O4U51rZ.gif


Look at the still. Fisher is softly caressing the DT from behind. What the fuck?

http://i.imgur.com/84pjcAJ.jpg

Another awful play. Fisher is completely dominated by Ware here and Knile is stuffed for a loss. Ends up on the ground again. Bad.


http://i.imgur.com/WJRJeYU.gif


Fisher is shoved three yards into the backfield by Ware. Knile shits his pants and cuts back for a 1/2 yard gain thanks to "superior" blocking by the rest of our group.


http://i.imgur.com/zDBGw1T.gif


Fisher is assigned to block the LB. The LB shoves Fisher out of the way and runs to join the party raping Knile Davis. LOL


http://i.imgur.com/jSomfcm.gif

[Hammock Parties]

Pass blocking:

This isn't completely awful, but Fisher is still getting pushed straight back into the QB. The LG actually leaves his man to help when he sees Fisher getting dominated. The pressure gives Alex happy feet and he overthrows his receiver by five yards.


http://i.imgur.com/i8JyMA3.gif


No strength to stop the inside rush here at all. Fisher is very lucky he wasn't flagged for holding. Alex gets rid of the ball and it's incomplete. Bad play.


http://i.imgur.com/6eAwIC4.gif


This is a horrible play by the RT and Knile, but Fisher didn't do a good job either. He has absolutely zero control over Ware. If Alex isn't running for his life because of the other pressure, Ware almost certainly gets to Alex.


http://i.imgur.com/CKl63oH.gif


Fisher picks up the man on the stunt and immediately loses control of him. Alex takes a hit. Fisher eats some grass. Bad, bad, bad.


http://i.imgur.com/KfxMAW8.gif


Fisher gives up the edge to Ware almost immediately. Luckily Alex gets rid of the ball in two seconds. Disaster avoided...but we see you Fisher. We see you.


http://i.imgur.com/sFyQG5g.gif


Ware busts out the spin move. Fisher you spin me baby right round like a record baby right round right round. Alex takes a hit. Thanks Fish.


http://i.imgur.com/C5bKn5u.gif


Fisher allows the edge to Ware again. Bear hug for Alex! Nice job getting rid of it in two seconds though. Brutal.


http://i.imgur.com/Ti52Sxi.gif


Ware gets bored with beating Fisher outside and goes inside. Fisher eats some grass. Horrible.


http://i.imgur.com/GsrjDPF.gif


Fisher gives up the edge again. Alex cooly steps up and avoids the pressure. Actually a great play by Alex here. I was shocked.


http://i.imgur.com/Bbf2PDD.gif


That's scary. Seriously.

http://i.imgur.com/pyXoQJV.jpg

Boom! Sack! This is what happens when Alex doesn't step up.


http://i.imgur.com/NB8cnI9.gif


Oh jesus, Fisher. Now you're just giving up. This is the exact next play. Alex thinks about retirement.


http://i.imgur.com/If1cb5u.gif




Total blown plays: 20

Poor blocks on running plays: 9

Pressure allowed: 11
Hits: 5
Sacks: 1 (don't believe that incomplete bullshit)

Flame away!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

When can we expect gifs of Genos gawd awful 50 percent completion rate?

[Molitoth]

Nice breakdown, the dude fucking sucks.

[ModSocks]

Can you at least put the gifs in spoilers? Holy loading nightmare batman.

And it's not like it matters, your analysis is so slanted that most won't care what you say since you have an inability to be objective.

[Molitoth]

When can we expect gifs of Genos gawd awful 50 percent completion rate?

Possibly the Jets board or Geno Thread? GTFO out of here with that shit.

[Hammock Parties]

Can you at least put the gifs in spoilers? Holy loading nightmare batman.

And it's not like it matters, your analysis is so slanted that most won't care what you say since you have an inability to be objective.

I looked at every play. I picked the 20 worst. If I was truly slanted I would have picked another 10.

[kcxiv]

Possibly the Jets board or Geno Thread? GTFO out of here with that shit.

Considering GoChiefs has a hardon for Geno, thats a valid post he made. I'd like to see some as well.! IM no fan of Fisher, he fucking sucks, but i'd like to see some Geno's too!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You can't put a slant on that. The tape doesn't lie. Dude got his ass whipped, hence the -4.9 grade.

[dirk digler]

Great job gochiefs. What a waste of a fucking pick

[Hammock Parties]

You can't put a slant on that. The tape doesn't lie. Dude got his ass whipped, hence the -4.9 grade.

I think the main thing is that he allowed 5 QB hits.

You can't do that. Imagine if every OL gave up 5 QB hits.

[Deberg_1990]

GoTurd, can you break down the tape of Luke Joeckel?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Possibly the Jets board or Geno Thread? GTFO out of here with that shit.

Nope. Point stands as valid.

[KCUnited]

A lot of that looks like shit effort. How do you half ass a cut block?

[Ming the Merciless]

you are truly a hero

everyone should worship you and sing your songs before battle

[the Talking Can]

he has pathetic strength and balance


but fans think the lowest rated qb in the league is doing a heckuva job, so of course they're impressed with fisher

[Reerun_KC]

Such insightful break downs. Nothing more than a monkey flinging shit.

[LoneWolf]

You can't put a slant on that. The tape doesn't lie. Dude got his ass whipped, hence the -4.9 grade.

That's bullshit. You can put a slant on a number of those plays. Pushing the pass rusher behind the QB and allowing the QB to step up in the pocket is not a bad play. He looked really bad on some of those plays, but his play wasn't nearly as bad as Clay is making it out to be. Grades given by random douchebags hired by someone who never played the game even in grade school are fucking worthless. You can take PFF and shove it up your ass.

[Just Passin' By]

I stopped looking after the second gif. Since that's on 80 and you're blaming Fisher, that tells me all I need to know about what the rest will be like.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

And the same dumbass Count Zarth wonders why Alex Smith is dead last in rating.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I stopped looking after the second gif. Since that's on 80 and you're blaming Fisher, that tells me all I need to know about what the rest will be like.

Fisher gets picked up and slammed to the ground. Regardless of what impact that had on the play, that's a major fuckup that only happens if you have poor technique, balance, and strength.

http://i.imgur.com/PLz5WPt.gif

[the Talking Can]

I stopped looking after the second gif. Since that's on 80 and you're blaming Fisher, that tells me all I need to know about what the rest will be like.

and we all thank you for sparing us your idiot analysis

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

10/10 thread

[the Talking Can]

i'd be curious to know in which of those plays people thinks he displays either exceptional balance, footwork, or strength?

never mind all of them, not like he's the #1....

[ViperVisor]

KC had a lot of snaps so there is going to be some times you fail but this is beyond that.

Watching Jason Peters last night at LT who also played a lot of snaps shows you how 1 of the better tackles in the NFL plays.

Some more context on how the best OTs do with pass blocking
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/07/31/sig-stats-pass-blocking-efficiency/

The best give up about 30 sacks+hits+hurries all season.
http://i.imgur.com/xSIkoiv.png

[Hammock Parties]

Such insightful break downs. Nothing more than a monkey flinging shit.

We know you hate this franchise and loathe Eric Fisher. Don't lie.

[Hammock Parties]

The best give up about 30 sacks+hits+hurries all season.
http://i.imgur.com/xSIkoiv.png

Yep.

Fisher is on track to give up probably twice that. At least.

[In58men]

When can we expect gifs of Genos gawd awful 50 percent completion rate?


Geno has nothing to do with Eric Fisher. Irrelevant comment.

[ILChief]

Someone needs to get a life

[ViperVisor]

Optimistic side is in 2010 Albert, T. Williams, and Joe Staley all were bottom 15 Left Tackles.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/

[Red Dawg]

He needs work no doubt but he will be a good LT. He is driven to succeed and he is smart.

[Hammock Parties]

Optimistic side is in 2010 Albert, T. Williams, and Joe Staley all were bottom 15 Left Tackles.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/

Albert had a good rookie season to fall back on though. He had shown something that year.

Fisher is a giant bag o' fail.

[wazu]

Love this breakdown. Thank you. I haven't given up on Fisher, but we need to come right back down to earth on where he is at right now.

[Deberg_1990]

At least hes no Dion Jordon or Lane Johnson.

[ILChief]

Love this breakdown. Thank you. I haven't given up on Fisher, but we need to come right back down to earth on where he is at right now.

Don't feed the troll

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

At least hes no Dion Jordon or Lane Johnson.

2013 class was bad lol.

[saphojunkie]

I completely defended picking Eric Fisher. I think it was logical and prudent.

The guy is a giant festering turd and he will never get better and he is Jamarcus Russell terrible.

[Deberg_1990]

I completely defended picking Eric Fisher. I think it was logical and prudent.

The guy is a giant festering turd and he will never get better and he is Jamarcus Russell terrible.

Who would you have picked? he was the shiniest turd of them all.

[Hammock Parties]

I think the worst is yet to come. Ware isn't even very good anymore. This weekend should be bad for Fisher.

[jd1020]

Who would you have picked? he was the shiniest turd of them all.

I was pretty big on Cordarelle Patterson. I'm betting Dorsey had offers to move down, maybe not great but guarantee someone was calling. Even if he couldn't have made a trade happen I might have just taken Patterson at #1 because he's a playmaker and I think he was getting like mid first grades before the draft.

[Hammock Parties]

Who would you have picked? he was the shiniest turd of them all.

Still would have picked Geno.

[ViperVisor]

Albert had a good rookie season to fall back on though. He had shown something that year.

Fisher is a giant bag o' fail.

Fisher, Year 2 (2014), after two games: -7.4 overall, -5.4 on pass protection.

Albert, Year 2 (2009), after two games: -0.5 overall, -0.7 on pass protection.

http://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city/story/so-far-branden-albert-is-outplaying-eric-fisher-and-not-by-a-little-091514

The only thing I can compare him to is Kwame Harris. He has done a better job of not as many false starts and holding flags that bring back 50 yard TDs that made Kwame Harris maybe the worst OT in the NFL.

[Deberg_1990]

Still would have picked Geno.

Dont get why everyone always focuses on Geno. EJ was the first QB taken.

[Hammock Parties]

Dont get why everyone always focuses on Geno. EJ was the first QB taken.

I liked Geno better then and now.

[jd1020]

Dont get why everyone always focuses on Geno. EJ was the first QB taken.

What does EJ being the first QB taken have anything to do with the answer to the question?

[Deberg_1990]

What does EJ being the first QB taken have anything to do with the answer to the question?

Because technically he was the guy the Chiefs passed on.

[jd1020]

Because technically he was the guy the Chiefs passed on.

Ummm, dumb.

They passed on Geno just as much as they passed on EJ.

[Deberg_1990]

I liked Geno better then and now.

Congrats. Hes got a nice arm, but thats about it. I dont see anything else special about him. Middling talent.

[Halfcan]

WTF were the Chiefs thinking when they drafted this guy? I mean seriously. Worst pick in the history of the Chiefs. He should be on the bench right now-but we have nobody else.

When you look back at what this team has done in the first round - it makes sense why they have sucked for so long.

[Hammock Parties]

Congrats. Hes got a nice arm, but thats about it. I dont see anything else special about him. Middling talent.

He's also extremely mobile and smart. Does a lot of film study and preparation.

Just look at this throw:

http://i.imgur.com/KVqP9TF.gif

[KC native]

Excellent thread good sir.

[suzzer99]

Look at the still. Fisher is softly caressing the DT from behind. What the ****?

http://i.imgur.com/84pjcAJ.jpg

Clearly you don't recognize a well-executed spoon-block when you see one.

[chiefzilla1501]

Run blocking:


The thing that stood out to me the most is how fucking terrible McGlynn is. The first play, he moves like a fucking turtle in a tarpit and Fisher has to wedge his way underneath. In many of those gifs, you have Fisher sealing his man and then the cutback lane getting completely taken away because another lineman shit his pants, then blaming Fisher for not sealing a block that looks outside his assignment. In other cases, you blame Fisher for not holding a block for 10 when the assignment may have been to block the person out of the play. I mean seriously, we're criticizing a block in the end zone and the guy jumping into the pile an eternity later?

There's some bad blocks in there. But in many cases we have no idea what the cutback lane is, where the run assignment was, what was Fisher's specific assignment. What I see consistently on every single play is McGlynn playing shitty on almost every snap.

[Hammock Parties]

You have to isolate Fisher, sorry. Who cares what the result of the play was.

Fisher moves to engage players and they disengage almost immediately. It's shameful.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Out of all those gifs i only saw two or three that were clear f ups. Fisher had a good game.

LACF rating +4.5

[chiefzilla1501]

You have to isolate Fisher, sorry. Who cares what the result of the play was.

Fisher moves to engage players and they disengage almost immediately. It's shameful.

You think that every run design for Fisher was to drive block his guy to the ground? Or that on every pass rush, his job is to engage and block the inside rush vs. driving a guy to the outside? There are plenty of blocks in that sequence where he does well enough. Again, you're blaming in several instances where Davis looks like he's choosing a different cutback lane because McGlynn consistently fucks his block up. Other instances where by design his job is to quickly get the guy out of the play.

In pass pro, we've already mentioned that in many cases he seems to show lazy effort with his arms. You've already acknowledged that most of his problems came later in the game. Again, it's important to note the difference between complete lack of talent vs. fixable technique vs. fatigue. There's a blend of those, a blend of plenty of blocks in that sequence where you're being overly critical or misjudging what he's supposed to do on that play, and yes, there are several where the block is just plain bad.

[Hammock Parties]

You think that every run design for Fisher was to drive block his guy to the ground? Or that on every pass rush, his job is to engage and block the inside rush vs. driving a guy to the outside? There are plenty of blocks in that sequence where he does well enough. Again, you're blaming in several instances where Davis looks like he's choosing a different cutback lane because McGlynn consistently fucks his block up. Other instances where by design his job is to quickly get the guy out of the play.
.

I'm sure it was his job to end up on the ground, get fucking body slammed or be driven three yards into the backfield.

Come on, man.

[RunKC]

Where the fuck do you get the coaches tape? Do you torrent it?

[L.A. Chieffan]

Fisher gets picked up and slammed to the ground. Regardless of what impact that had on the play, that's a major fuckup that only happens if you have poor technique, balance, and strength.

http://i.imgur.com/PLz5WPt.gif

He took his man out of the play. Nice work FIsh

[Hammock Parties]

Where the fuck do you get the coaches tape? Do you torrent it?

NFL game rewind.

They have the all 22 view too.

[KC native]

Out of all those gifs i only saw two or three that were clear f ups. Fisher had a good game.

LACF rating +4.5

I see you have your new man crush.

Happy hunting sir.

http://i.imgur.com/hL7SBmh.png

[srvy]

Fisher gets picked up and slammed to the ground. Regardless of what impact that had on the play, that's a major fuckup that only happens if you have poor technique, balance, and strength.

http://i.imgur.com/PLz5WPt.gif

You do see 75 McGlynne tries put a chip on and instead knocks his own teammate Eric off balance. Fisher had the advantage at the snap dumb ply by 75 who didn't get off the ball fast enough to get a chip. He should have just gone field to find another block. That one is on 75.

[Rausch]

I've been ragging pretty hard on 75 but in half of Clays gifs (small sample size) he's doing his job better than anal-Fisher.

He's slower than Marino and clumsy but he still held his man...

[-King-]

I completely defended picking Eric Fisher. I think it was logical and prudent.

The guy is a giant festering turd and he will never get better and he is Jamarcus Russell terrible.

Meh. I just don't care anymore. The 2013 was the worst draft maybe ever. It is what it is.
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[Rausch]

Meh. I just don't care anymore. The 2013 was the worst draft maybe ever. It is what it is.
Posted via Mobile Device

2014 is probably worse...

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm sure it was his job to end up on the ground, get ****ing body slammed or be driven three yards into the backfield.

Come on, man.

I said there were bad blocks in there. I am talking about how you conveniently sprinkled in lots of blocks where Fisher didn't necessarily create a great block, but did enough. And yeah, if Fisher's job is to turn his guy inside on a sweep? If Fisher's trying to cut his guy but McGlynn is slow to get out of the way? If Fisher seals a cutback lane but his teammates don't? You're making some massive assumptions about Fisher's assignment as well as the cutback lane.

[Hammock Parties]

you conveniently sprinkled in lots of blocks where Fisher didn't necessarily create a great block, but did enough.

Disagree. I don't see this at all.

Even if half of what you say is true allowing 5 QB hits doesn't jive with "Eric Fisher had a good game!"

[chiefzilla1501]

Disagree. I don't see this at all.

Even if half of what you say is true allowing 5 QB hits doesn't jive with "Eric Fisher had a good game!"

Most people who said he had a good game have said his pass pro started to look rough toward the end of the game. I am not commenting on his pass pro because while some plays are pretty loosely thrown in there, there's some real bad ones. But in context, a lot of his problems look like fatigue.

The run blocking was very liberal. He did his job fine in a good chunk of those plays.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

This isn't a fucking Algebra II test. You don't get "decent marks" if you fail on almost thirty percent of your snaps, and there isn't a curve in the NFL.

[chiefzilla1501]

This isn't a ****ing Algebra II test. You don't get "decent marks" if you fail on almost thirty percent of your snaps, and there isn't a curve in the NFL.

Failure on 30% of snaps based on what? Based on someone on CP evaluating what makes up a failed play?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Failure on 30% of snaps based on what? Based on someone on CP evaluating what makes up a failed play?

Maybe I'm fucking crazy, but if you move to get in front of someone as an offensive lineman, you are probably expected to not let them get past you, around you, or slam you to the fucking ground.

[Just Passin' By]

You do see 75 McGlynne tries put a chip on and instead knocks his own teammate Eric off balance. Fisher had the advantage at the snap dumb ply by 75 who didn't get off the ball fast enough to get a chip. He should have just gone field to find another block. That one is on 75.

Fisher's play is fine on that one. The blow up is on #80. Once you see that, you don't really need to keep going, because it shows that Clay is going to troll his own thread again.

[chiefzilla1501]

Maybe I'm fucking crazy, but if you move to get in front of someone as an offensive lineman, you are probably expected to not let them get past you, around you, or slam you to the fucking ground.
You're talking about one play. There are several plays in there that are no good. There are a good chunk that were played just fine. And if the context is to grade what we see as improvement, then yeah, it's fair to grade plays late in the game on a curve if fatigue led to some sloppy technique. Others where a teammate screwed up a blocking assignment and yet others where Smith should be savvy enough to work the pocket differently.

That doesn't fix everything. But that sure as shit cuts down that subjective 30 percent number by a wide margin.

[xztop123]

He seems incredibly weak

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You're talking about one play. There are several plays in there that are no good. There are a good chunk that were played just fine. And if the context is to grade what we see as improvement, then yeah, it's fair to grade plays late in the game on a curve if fatigue led to some sloppy technique. Others where a teammate screwed up a blocking assignment and yet others where Smith should be savvy enough to work the pocket differently.

That doesn't fix everything. But that sure as shit cuts down that subjective 30 percent number by a wide margin.

Bullfuck. He gets beaten or blown up on, at least, fifteen of those plays. That's not just bad, but horrific, and it's why he had the worst grade of any player on the team.

You can only contort his play so much. The guy doesn't have the strength, punch, technique, or aggressiveness right now, no matter how much he runs his mouth about it. He looks like Jason Smith.

[Dave Lane]

He needs work no doubt but he will be a good LT. He is driven to succeed and he is smart.

Explain to me how you know this?

[Rausch]

Explain to me how you know this?

Because he was the first pick in the draft.

Duh...

[wazu]

Don't feed the troll

Trolls don't work this hard to prove their case.

[LoneWolf]

That's not just bad, but horrific, and it's way he had the worst grade of any player on the team.

Who's doing the grading?

[Dave Lane]

I want to know why on earth ANY Chiefs fan is defending Eric Fisher. Alex had a pretty good game. Defend that fine. Fisher? GTFO here with that silliness.

[Dave Lane]

Who's doing the grading?

People with eyeballs Crank up your TTY machine and call me if you need help.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Who's doing the grading?

Gee, if only there was a way for a dumbfuck to find out
(Google.com)

[Dave Lane]

He's also extremely mobile and smart. Does a lot of film study and preparation.

Just look at this throw:

http://i.imgur.com/KVqP9TF.gif

Geno is where Alex SHOULD have been year 2. Instead Alex was the single worst QB in history year one and a very pedestrian year 2.

[RealSNR]

He needs work no doubt but he will be a good LT. He is driven to succeed and he is smart.

Doesn't mean shit if you don't have talent to back it up.

[RealSNR]

Who would you have picked? he was the shiniest turd of them all.

Bull.

Shit.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I gotta say the evidence is not good for Fisher. Good job Clay, you asshole.

[jspchief]

GoTurd, can you break down the tape of Luke Joeckel?
I'm curious about this. A lot of posters dismissed Joeckel with little substance to support their stance. I remember saying I could see some areas where Fisher was intriguing but that Joeckel was realistically more likely to succeed in the NFL.

[LoneWolf]

Gee, if only there was a way for a dumb**** to find out
(Google.com)

PFF. :rolleyes: A company started by an Englishman who never played football at any level, had never seen a game live when he started the company, and who "hires" any jackass off the street who has enough time to spend hours looking at game tape.

Tell me something, dipshit. When you go in for your yearly Pap smear, do you get it done at your local porn shop? Because hey, they have seen a sloppy pussy on television.

[Rausch]

I'm curious about this. A lot of posters dismissed Joeckel with little substance to support their stance. I remember saying I could see some areas where Fisher was intriguing but that Joeckel was realistically more likely to succeed in the NFL.

Same here. My preference was Joeckel...

[RealSNR]

I'm curious about this. A lot of posters dismissed Joeckel with little substance to support their stance. I remember saying I could see some areas where Fisher was intriguing but that Joeckel was realistically more likely to succeed in the NFL.

Joeckel was an issue of pride. Everybody told us to draft Joeckel the entire 2012 season while Albert was doing pretty well at LT. It was the whole, "You've got a 2-14 team with a decent LT who just needs a new contract. You have the #1 overall pick. Save the hassle of negotiating a new deal... just draft an OT at #1!"

And that was being said to fans of a 2-14 team.

It made me puke with anger during the season to hear draft dweebs like Kiper suggest that.

It turns out Fisher was even worse, but Joeckel was the poster boy. We had been brainwashed to associate him with all the worst things about the world. His very name turned was a trigger for emotional torture, like Beethoven's 9th was in Clockwork Orange.

Fuck, and you think about B14ckm0n? Remember that troll? I laughed and laughed when the Jaguars drafted Joeckel and that turd got raped by his own dildo. That douchebag would still be trolling these forums if we had drafted Joeckel.

Joeckel was the better player, but fuck that shit right now. I still don't give a gnat fart about that. The pick was already ruined when we traded what we did for Alex Smith and basically told Albert, "Here's a tag. You have one year to get your shit moved out."

[Deberg_1990]

Bull.

Shit.

I've said this over and over. 32 teams would have picked Joeckel or fisher if they had the #1. It's not like he was some huge reach like Tyjack.

Shitty draft is shitty.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The man has no balance. I'm guessing Frankenstien's monster has more dancing ability than this asshole.

Good God; what a HORRIBLE fucking pick.

I'm finding it really hard to believe that Dorsey signed off on this.

[B_Razz]

Why don't we just face it and embrace the suck? It's not gonna change...just accept it. Yes i've had a bad day. whatever

[RealSNR]

I've said this over and over. 32 teams would have picked Joeckel or fisher if they had the #1. It's not like he was some huge reach like Tyjack.

Shitty draft is shitty.

If Peyton Manning got injured in 2012, and the Donks went 2-14, would they have drafted one of those tackles?

Franklin would still have 2 years left. Clady had just signed a lucrative extension. Even if they traded Franklin away, they'd still be left with starting either their #1 overall pick or Clady at RT for the long term.

That would just be fucking idiotic.

We weren't in much more of a position to justify that kind of pick. Only difference is our LT had this stigma of everybody wanting to move him to fucking guard his entire career just because he played two years of guard in college. The rest of his fucking football career from high school to pros was primarily at tackle, but "NOOO... HE'S A GUARD!"

We had to carve out a hole in the roster exclusively to justify making the pick of one of those OTs.

When you're 2-14, that's a terrible fucking decision. Your #1 pick from the very beginning doesn't fucking improve your team at all.

Hell, that's WORSE than the Tyson Jackson pick.

[listopencil]

If Peyton Manning got injured in 2012, and the Donks went 2-14, would they have drafted one of those tackles?

Franklin would still have 2 years left. Clady had just signed a lucrative extension. Even if they traded Franklin away, they'd still be left with starting either their #1 overall pick or Clady at RT for the long term.

That would just be ****ing idiotic.



We moved Franklin to Left Guard and put Chris Clark in at Tackle. Probably a bad example.

[chiefzilla1501]

Already given my reasons why I don't give a shit about off grades.

Does pff break out how many poor blocks were made during those long ass drives? Poor blocks made due to fatigue tell a much different story than those made when at full speed.

How does pff know what the play design was? What was fishers assignment? Again, several instances in the gifs where Davis seems to pick a different cutback lane. Others where Fisher isn't asked to drive block. Yet more where the blocking was just fine.

How much weight do they put on poor play from teammates forcing extra work on Fisher? How many lower rated plays should have been avoided by the qb getting rid of the ball faster? That shit really matters when we know fishers linemates are terrible and Smith holds on to the ball too long.

I haven't seen anything that changes the story of what I saw . Good enough for a second start, huge progress, seemed to get fatigued during the long drive and never seemed to recover. Other issues with fixable technique. And sprinkled in were several just poor blocking and others where he was a little overpowered.
Gee, if only there was a way for a dumbfuck to find out
(Google.com)

[Rausch]

If Peyton Manning got injured in 2012, and the Donks went 2-14, would they have drafted one of those tackles?

Franklin would still have 2 years left. Clady had just signed a lucrative extension. Even if they traded Franklin away, they'd still be left with starting either their #1 overall pick or Clady at RT for the long term.

That would just be ****ing idiotic.

We weren't in much more of a position to justify that kind of pick. Only difference is our LT had this stigma of everybody wanting to move him to ****ing guard his entire career just because he played two years of guard in college. The rest of his ****ing football career from high school to pros was primarily at tackle, but "NOOO... HE'S A GUARD!"

We had to carve out a hole in the roster exclusively to justify making the pick of one of those OTs.

When you're 2-14, that's a terrible ****ing decision. Your #1 pick from the very beginning doesn't ****ing improve your team at all.

Hell, that's WORSE than the Tyson Jackson pick.

All this...

[chiefzilla1501]

Joeckel was an issue of pride. Everybody told us to draft Joeckel the entire 2012 season while Albert was doing pretty well at LT. It was the whole, "You've got a 2-14 team with a decent LT who just needs a new contract. You have the #1 overall pick. Save the hassle of negotiating a new deal... just draft an OT at #1!"

And that was being said to fans of a 2-14 team.

It made me puke with anger during the season to hear draft dweebs like Kiper suggest that.

It turns out Fisher was even worse, but Joeckel was the poster boy. We had been brainwashed to associate him with all the worst things about the world. His very name turned was a trigger for emotional torture, like Beethoven's 9th was in Clockwork Orange.

Fuck, and you think about B14ckm0n? Remember that troll? I laughed and laughed when the Jaguars drafted Joeckel and that turd got raped by his own dildo. That douchebag would still be trolling these forums if we had drafted Joeckel.

Joeckel was the better player, but fuck that shit right now. I still don't give a gnat fart about that. The pick was already ruined when we traded what we did for Alex Smith and basically told Albert, "Here's a tag. You have one year to get your shit moved out."
It's called moving the uprights. We complained for years about taking safe picks. Now we demand that nfl players be ready right away.

Either left tackle was a stupid ass pick. But people acting like joeckl was a better pick because he was safer is the definition of flip flopping through hindsight.

[RealSNR]

We moved Franklin to Left Guard and put Chris Clark in at Tackle. Probably a bad example.

So you'd be cool with your #1 overall pick playing RT longterm?

[listopencil]

So you'd be cool with your #1 overall pick playing RT longterm?

If we already had a franchise LT and the guy was a franchise RT...yes. The Broncos have done much, much dumber things on draft day.

[RealSNR]

It's called moving the uprights. We complained for years about taking safe picks. Now we demand that nfl players be ready right away.

Either left tackle was a stupid ass pick. But people acting like joeckl was a better pick because he was safer is the definition of flip flopping through hindsight.

Poe was a risky pick.

Ford was a risky pick.

Fisher wasn't a risky pick. He was a stupid pick.

I don't know anything about Joeckel. I refused to watch him play or read his scouting reports. I still don't care. I'm far from a "We should have drafted Joeckel!" guy.

Our team would still be 0-2 right now, and we still would have lost to the Colts last year in the playoffs.

[RealSNR]

If we already had a franchise LT and the guy was a franchise RT...yes. The Broncos have done much, much dumber things on draft day.

So wouldn't it make far more sense to draft DJ Fluker at #1 overall than Joeckel, Fisher, or Johnson?

[Deberg_1990]

So you'd be cool with your #1 overall pick playing RT longterm?

As long as a guy turns out to be a solid, productive player, it doesn't matter where he's picked in the long run.

[listopencil]

So wouldn't it make far more sense to draft DJ Fluker at #1 overall than Joeckel, Fisher, or Johnson?

Maybe. It is kind of a crap shoot and it might be better to have guys who can swing from LT to RT when somebody goes down with an injury.

[RealSNR]

As long as a guy turns out to be a solid, productive player, it doesn't matter where he's picked in the long run.

So you were a Chance Warmack guy, then?

Oh, that's right. You don't ever have any opinions. You just pose alternative solutions after the dust has settled.

[Deberg_1990]

So you were a Chance Warmack guy, then?

Oh, that's right. You don't ever have any opinions. You just pose alternative solutions after the dust has settled.

Don't really care. I don't obsess over it really.

[chiefzilla1501]

Poe was a risky pick.

Ford was a risky pick.

Fisher wasn't a risky pick. He was a stupid pick.

I don't know anything about Joeckel. I refused to watch him play or read his scouting reports. I still don't care. I'm far from a "We should have drafted Joeckel!" guy.

Our team would still be 0-2 right now, and we still would have lost to the Colts last year in the playoffs.
Insanely stupid pick. But comparing him to joeckl... No doubt pick should have been Fisher. If Cp believes otherwise it is a massive flip flop.

[CoMoChief]

How did this guy become the #1 overall pick?

That's some of the worst blocking I've ever seen.

[RealSNR]

Don't really care. I don't obsess over it really.

You don't have to obsess over it.

You just have to say every once in awhile, "I think the Chiefs should do _____ because ______."

It's not hard. Try it some time.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

PFF. :rolleyes: A company started by an Englishman who never played football at any level, had never seen a game live when he started the company, and who "hires" any jackass off the street who has enough time to spend hours looking at game tape.

Tell me something, dipshit. When you go in for your yearly Pap smear, do you get it done at your local porn shop? Because hey, they have seen a sloppy pussy on television.

If anyone is playing ChiefsPlanet Bingo, we've got our first "Never played football" of the thread here.

Oh, and by the way, the guy who runs that company is a strategist for the New York Giants.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203889904577199781897959096


In 2009, the site came to the attention of the Giants' Mr. Berger, an executive of the team since the early 1980s. As director of information, Mr. Berger is the team's official wonk, entering every play by every NFL team into a database in search of trends and tendencies that might be useful for Giants coaches.

It was while "messing around on Google" that Mr. Berger came across Pro Football Focus, and one statistic in particular struck him: player participation. The site listed the number of times each player in the NFL participated in a play during a game. That is a statistic the NFL tracks and releases only to teams—never to the public.

Doubtful about the accuracy of Mr. Hornsby's data, Mr. Berger checked it against the NFL data set and found Pro Football Focus was nearly perfect. Impressed, Mr. Berger sent Mr. Hornsby a congratulatory note. Mr. Hornsby was so surprised he thought one of his friends had pulled a prank on him.

Today, the site provides customized data to five NFL teams, Mr. Hornsby says, as well as to sports agents seeking to bolster their players' arguments for fat paychecks. Mr. Hornsby won't say which teams or agents are paying for his data. But he says revenue is now great enough that he employs four analysts to help him study game footage, and 13 others to count how many downs each NFL athlete plays per game. He says he doesn't provide data to the Patriots.


The Giants are a nonpaying user of the site. That relationship deepened last August when Mr. Hornsby requested a visit with Mr. Berger. The timing could hardly have been worse: With the preseason shortened by a labor dispute, August was busier than usual for Mr. Berger. But he agreed to meet with Mr. Hornsby, blocking out a full hour on his calendar.

The meeting lasted seven hours. Stunned at the material Mr. Hornsby produced from his laptop, Mr. Berger says he was especially intrigued by data showing where individual players most often line up on the field, and how they perform against certain formations and opponents.

"It was really impressive," says Mr. Berger, calling Mr. Hornsby the first outsider ever to supply usable data to the Giants.

What most amazes Mr. Berger is that Mr. Hornsby gathers his data using the television footage available to everyone. That footage is highly limited compared with the proprietary film—known as All 22—that the NFL gathers at each game and makes available only to team officials.

[Deberg_1990]

How did this guy become the #1 overall pick?



Shitty draft with no clear cut potential superstar playmakers
High measurables
Tackle is a high value position

[ViperVisor]

How did this guy become the #1 overall pick?

That's some of the worst blocking I've ever seen.

Scouting Report:

Athleticism
+Athletic and lean 6’7″ frame with long arms.
+Plays light on his feet and shows the ability to slide laterally very well.
+Quick kick step able to stay in front of defender while maintaining balance.
+Fisher shows good flexibility for a player of his size, able to keep his knees bent and his hips down while engaged.
+Outstanding overall agility, quick feet and has the ability to recover from a misstep quickly.
+Well above average footspeed when pulling or in the open field.
+Consistently is in an athletic blocking position with a balanced lower half.
+Can mirror quicker defenders off the edge and is fast enough to get to the second level.
-Fisher can stand to add some more weight to his frame, but his slender frame hasn’t limited him at all.
-Fisher isn’t one of these freak athletes playing LT, he simply relies on his technique, instincts and positioning to win his battles.

Pass Blocking
+Fisher is a dominant pass blocker.
+It all starts with his first step, which leaves him in very good position to withstand the attacking DL.
+He always maintains a wide and balanced base with the ability to slide laterally very quickly.
+He uses his long arms well to keep the defender off of him and he has continually shown the ability to punch, slide and re-engage the defender.
+Understands hand placement and will battle hand to hand.
+Fisher moves quick enough to keep speed rushers in front of him and usually runs them by the QB.
+At the same time he has shown enough leverage that he is able to anchor pretty well vs. the bull-rush.
+Always keeps his shoulders square to the defender and doesn’t get caught overextending.
+Withstands counter moves very well due to his positioning, wide base and ability to mirror.
+Plays real light on his feet and never stops them, takes short choppy steps which really helps his mobility.
+Doesn’t panic and makes it look easy at times, he is quick enough to recover if beaten initially off the snap to at least ride his man out of the play.
+As a pass protector he plays with leverage, able to get his hands underneath the rusher and finishes his blocks.
+At the Senior Bowl he consistently “Pancaked” stronger DL by using their momentum and his leverage to get them off balance.
-Being over 6’7″ there are times Fisher gets too vertical after initial contact, against stronger bull-rushers in the NFL they may be able to get under him.
-Datone Jones was the only one to give him problems and it was when he used a speed to power move getting his hands into Fishers’ chest.

Run Blocking
+Fisher much like in pass protection is technically sound.
+Relies more on positioning and technique than power when run blocking.
+He comes off the ball quickly and with good initial pad level.
+He has shown good hand placement and gets his head across the chest of the DL which makes him easier to seal off.
+Maintains his blocks very well.
+Displays good initial pop at point of attack and doesn’t give up much ground.
+Keeps the same balanced and wide base that he does in pass protection.
+Lower leg drive is solid. Fisher is already a pretty good pulling LT. When pulling he shows good foot speed, flexibility and instincts.
+Knows his assignment and is able to pick them up on the move. Has the quickness to get to the second (or even third) level and get down low on smaller defenders.
+Blocks well in space due to his patience, positioning and ability to take good angles.
-Not a “road-grader” doesn’t maul defenders off the line and can be beat with power in the run game.
-When he allows his feet to get narrow he over extends himself and can be shed.
-I thought he could get better as a cut blocker, get his body into the legs and drive through before hitting the ground.

Technique
+Well coached and technically sound throughout.
+Keeps wide base and keeps his feet moving during the entire play.
+Has a very good kick step, allows himself to get in an athletic blocking position and gives the defender a “1 way go”.
+Uses his long arms well, understands proper hand placement.
+Maintains his blocks as long as any linemen, once he’s locked on he is usually able to keep defender close and mirror them.
+Has shown good flexibility and knee bend throughout career, but does “pop up” at times.
+Fisher has outstanding feet. He’s light on them, agile and has excellent laterally mobility.
+Doesn’t cross his feet and maintains very good balance.
+Shows the ability to understand where the blitz is coming from and picks it up.
+Combination blocks are solid and is able to come off them to pick up the free rusher.
+Has all the tools to be a very good Left Tackle in the NFL from day one.
-Biggest issue technique wise with Fisher is his occasional high pad level, but that’s expected from most 6’7″ tackles. When he keeps his pads down and shoots his hands he will win the battle.

Intangibles
+Has started games at either right or left tackle all four years at CMU.
+Fisher is an all-around smart player.Very well spoken in interviews.
+There aren’t many breakdowns in blocking assignments.
+Displayed a very good understanding the position and what was asked of him.
+Is the prototypical LT prospect but could play RT if he went to a team with a LT already in place.
+By all accounts he is a team leader and very hard worker off the field.
+Durability isn’t an issue, no major injuries, only missed two games during his career (2010 – knee).
+No off the field red flags.

Overview:
Eric Fisher is one of the elite Offensive Line prospects in the 2013 draft. His combination of technique, athleticism and size make him the prototypical NFL Left Tackle prospect. Fisher uses his a strong base and his long arms to control opposing pass rushers. He displays excellent lateral mobility, mirroring pass rushers and controlling them with strong hand usage. As a run blocker he moves very well. Fisher takes good angles and puts himself in the proper position to sustain his blocks.

Overall he is just a very sound OT prospect with not many holes in his game. He dominated all-comers at the Senior Bowl and was the consensus top prospect among scouts in Mobile. Unless something changes, Fisher looks like a top 15 pick in April’s draft and the #2 OT behind Texas A&M’s Luke Joeckel.
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/02/eric-fisher-scouting-report.html

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I bet Chuck-E-Cheese writes a nice menu too.

[LoneWolf]

If anyone is playing ChiefsPlanet Bingo, we've got our first "Never played football" of the thread here.

Oh, and by the way, the guy who runs that company is a strategist for the New York Giants.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203889904577199781897959096


In 2009, the site came to the attention of the Giants' Mr. Berger, an executive of the team since the early 1980s. As director of information, Mr. Berger is the team's official wonk, entering every play by every NFL team into a database in search of trends and tendencies that might be useful for Giants coaches.

It was while "messing around on Google" that Mr. Berger came across Pro Football Focus, and one statistic in particular struck him: player participation. The site listed the number of times each player in the NFL participated in a play during a game. That is a statistic the NFL tracks and releases only to teams—never to the public.

Doubtful about the accuracy of Mr. Hornsby's data, Mr. Berger checked it against the NFL data set and found Pro Football Focus was nearly perfect. Impressed, Mr. Berger sent Mr. Hornsby a congratulatory note. Mr. Hornsby was so surprised he thought one of his friends had pulled a prank on him.

Today, the site provides customized data to five NFL teams, Mr. Hornsby says, as well as to sports agents seeking to bolster their players' arguments for fat paychecks. Mr. Hornsby won't say which teams or agents are paying for his data. But he says revenue is now great enough that he employs four analysts to help him study game footage, and 13 others to count how many downs each NFL athlete plays per game. He says he doesn't provide data to the Patriots.


The Giants are a nonpaying user of the site. That relationship deepened last August when Mr. Hornsby requested a visit with Mr. Berger. The timing could hardly have been worse: With the preseason shortened by a labor dispute, August was busier than usual for Mr. Berger. But he agreed to meet with Mr. Hornsby, blocking out a full hour on his calendar.

The meeting lasted seven hours. Stunned at the material Mr. Hornsby produced from his laptop, Mr. Berger says he was especially intrigued by data showing where individual players most often line up on the field, and how they perform against certain formations and opponents.

"It was really impressive," says Mr. Berger, calling Mr. Hornsby the first outsider ever to supply usable data to the Giants.

What most amazes Mr. Berger is that Mr. Hornsby gathers his data using the television footage available to everyone. That footage is highly limited compared with the proprietary film—known as All 22—that the NFL gathers at each game and makes available only to team officials.

Holy shit. You mean they can actually count who is on the field and for how many plays? NO FUCKING WAY!!! They could also tell you where they lined up?AMAZING!!!!

We should trust their analysis of the intricacies of the game. That would be like letting an eighth grader design a spacecraft because he was able to pass Algebra.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Wow some idiot in a front office was shocked by the data available online...sounds like a moneyball part 2. Lame.

[Iconic]

Clay deserves his own shrine outside of Arrowhead.

TYBasedClay.

[L.A. Chieffan]

He destroyed the top talent at the Senior Bowl and made the combine his bitch. The dude is a stud

[Just Passin' By]

Holy shit. You mean they can actually count who is on the field and for how many plays? NO ****ING WAY!!! They could also tell you where they lined up?AMAZING!!!!

We should trust their analysis of the intricacies of the game. That would be like letting an eighth grader design a spacecraft because he was able to pass Algebra.

They used to confess to a 20% error rate (what it actually was, nobody knows), on things other than the counting work. That page has either been moved, or removed, and has been missing for years. The FAQ now claims a 99% accuracy rate on participation (snap count), but doesn't offer any error rate for grading, likely because even they know that their formula work is complete horse shit. It's a shit site, and when you see someone quoting it for anything but the basics like snaps taken, you know that they're either football illiterate, or lazy.

[-King-]

If anyone is playing ChiefsPlanet Bingo, we've got our first "Never played football" of the thread here.

Oh, and by the way, the guy who runs that company is a strategist for the New York Giants.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203889904577199781897959096


In 2009, the site came to the attention of the Giants' Mr. Berger, an executive of the team since the early 1980s. As director of information, Mr. Berger is the team's official wonk, entering every play by every NFL team into a database in search of trends and tendencies that might be useful for Giants coaches.

It was while "messing around on Google" that Mr. Berger came across Pro Football Focus, and one statistic in particular struck him: player participation. The site listed the number of times each player in the NFL participated in a play during a game. That is a statistic the NFL tracks and releases only to teams—never to the public.

Doubtful about the accuracy of Mr. Hornsby's data, Mr. Berger checked it against the NFL data set and found Pro Football Focus was nearly perfect. Impressed, Mr. Berger sent Mr. Hornsby a congratulatory note. Mr. Hornsby was so surprised he thought one of his friends had pulled a prank on him.

Today, the site provides customized data to five NFL teams, Mr. Hornsby says, as well as to sports agents seeking to bolster their players' arguments for fat paychecks. Mr. Hornsby won't say which teams or agents are paying for his data. But he says revenue is now great enough that he employs four analysts to help him study game footage, and 13 others to count how many downs each NFL athlete plays per game. He says he doesn't provide data to the Patriots.


The Giants are a nonpaying user of the site. That relationship deepened last August when Mr. Hornsby requested a visit with Mr. Berger. The timing could hardly have been worse: With the preseason shortened by a labor dispute, August was busier than usual for Mr. Berger. But he agreed to meet with Mr. Hornsby, blocking out a full hour on his calendar.

The meeting lasted seven hours. Stunned at the material Mr. Hornsby produced from his laptop, Mr. Berger says he was especially intrigued by data showing where individual players most often line up on the field, and how they perform against certain formations and opponents.

"It was really impressive," says Mr. Berger, calling Mr. Hornsby the first outsider ever to supply usable data to the Giants.

What most amazes Mr. Berger is that Mr. Hornsby gathers his data using the television footage available to everyone. That footage is highly limited compared with the proprietary film—known as All 22—that the NFL gathers at each game and makes available only to team officials.

Do you believe Jamaal Charles was one of the top 100 players in the NFL in 2012? PFF doesn't.

That's the site you're defending.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I think Jamaal Charles gave up too many QB hurries that year

[hometeam]

He destroyed the top talent at the Senior Bowl and made the combine his bitch. The dude is a stud

You have to be the most consistent troll of all time.

http://cupofzup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Im-not-mad.gif

[MagicHef]

I could watch Von do this all day.

http://i.imgur.com/CKl63oH.gif

[Discuss Thrower]

Jesus, looked like Knile thought he was trying to block a middle schooler there.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Jesus, looked like Knile thought he was trying to block a middle schooler there.

LMAO :facepalm:

[listopencil]

I could watch Von do this all day.

http://i.imgur.com/CKl63oH.gif


Who is #34?

[LoneWolf]

I could watch Von do this all day.


Me too.

http://cdn29.elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Vonn-Miller-Molly-High.jpg

[O.city]

Just checking in, he still sucks?

Yeah? Ok cool.

[srvy]

I could watch Von do this all day.

http://i.imgur.com/CKl63oH.gif

That Davis block was bullshit. That right there is why he wont get to be a every day back in this league ever. This is not college you have to got to block in the NFL.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Do you believe Jamaal Charles was one of the top 100 players in the NFL in 2012? PFF doesn't.

That's the site you're defending.

Might it be possible that PFF excels at some things and not others? I've been critical of aspects their methods, but to throw the baby out with the bathwater, especially when supported by the above listed gifs is intellectually lazy at best.

So let me ask you this: having seen those gifs, do you believe that Fisher played well?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

They used to confess to a 20% error rate (what it actually was, nobody knows), on things other than the counting work. That page has either been moved, or removed, and has been missing for years. The FAQ now claims a 99% accuracy rate on participation (snap count), but doesn't offer any error rate for grading, likely because even they know that their formula work is complete horse shit. It's a shit site, and when you see someone quoting it for anything but the basics like snaps taken, you know that they're either football illiterate, or lazy.

Says the guy who found nothing wrong with what Fisher did in the second gif.

[GoChargers]

I've said this over and over. 32 teams would have picked Joeckel or fisher if they had the #1. It's not like he was some huge reach like Tyjack.

Shitty draft is shitty.

That "shitty draft" included Keenan Allen, Tyrann Mathieu, Sheldon Richardson, Star Lotulelei, Larry Warford, Justin Pugh, Desmond Trufant, and Kiko Alonso, among others. Just because the first few picks were horrible does not mean the whole draft sucked.

[RealSNR]

That "shitty draft" included Keenan Allen, Tyrann Mathieu, Sheldon Richardson, Star Lotulelei, Larry Warford, Justin Pugh, Desmond Trufant, and Kiko Alonso, among others. Just because the first few picks were horrible does not mean the whole draft sucked.

It's all some of these fans have to cling to. Be nice and let them have it.

Tyson Jackson? Well 2009 was an awful draft at the top. We're among the lucky ones!

Dexter McCluster? Well just look at who was available at the top of the 2nd round and tell me which player that went 10 picks after McCluster we were supposed to draft!

Eric Fisher? TEH WURST DRAFT OF TEH CENTURY!!!!!1111 OH NOEZ!!!!!!!1111

[splatbass]

Still would have picked Geno.

Geno at 1.1? This is why you'll never be a GM, or scout, or even waterboy. Because you are a fucking moron.

[mcaj22]

It's all some of these fans have to cling to. Be nice and let them have it.

Tyson Jackson? Well 2009 was an awful draft at the top. We're among the lucky ones!

Dexter McCluster? Well just look at who was available at the top of the 2nd round and tell me which player that went 10 picks after McCluster we were supposed to draft!

Eric Fisher? TEH WURST DRAFT OF TEH CENTURY!!!!!1111 OH NOEZ!!!!!!!1111

that 2010 draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds waa pretty good, we could have built a really good core instead of pissing it away on two midgets, an injury prone TE and a RG we replaced with a now 6th round rookie that plays with stone feet

[RealSNR]

that 2010 draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds waa pretty good, we could have built a really good core instead of pissing it away on two midgets, an injury prone TE and a RG we replaced with a now 6th round rookie that plays with stone feet

Yeah, but that might require our GM to actually know who or what the talent is instead of pissing it away on shitfucks like McCluster.

If you talk to fans who defend the McCluster pick then and now, they say stuff like, "Some of you wanted Jimmy Clausen, Terrence Cody, and Sergio Kindle! Bullet dodged, I'd say!"

Never mind that we could have had TJ Ward, Rob Gronkowski, Zane Beadles, or Daryl Washington. With the exception of Washington, we drafted all three of those positions eventually in that draft anyway (Lewis, Moeaki, Asamoah).

[mcaj22]

Yeah, but that might require our GM to actually know who or what the talent is instead of pissing it away on shit****s like McCluster.

If you talk to fans who defend the McCluster pick then and now, they say stuff like, "Some of you wanted Jimmy Clausen, Terrence Cody, and Sergio Kindle! Bullet dodged, I'd say!"

Never mind that we could have had TJ Ward, Rob Gronkowski, Zane Beadles, or Daryl Washington. With the exception of Washington, we drafted all three of those positions eventually in that draft anyway (Lewis, Moeaki, Asamoah).


Dorsey would have screwed it up too hence the point of this thread. Chiefs just have some bad FO luck in the post King Carl era.

[RobBlake]

want your qb to do a consistent good job? win at the line... chiefs are stuck with nobodies at the line

[kcxiv]

haha, Gochiefs got attacked on facebook for saying our QB and LT suck! i might have got banned myself, because i cant find it anymore. See what i get for stucking up for CLay! lol

[splatbass]

Trolls don't work this hard to prove their case.

He has a very childish need to say "I told you so", even when he has to BS to do it.

[crazycoffey]

I stopped looking after the second gif. Since that's on 80 and you're blaming Fisher, that tells me all I need to know about what the rest will be like.

The first one said the same thing. It's all about shock value, that's important to clay

[Baby Lee]

He has a very childish need to say "I told you so", even when he has to BS to do it.

Saw a study on internet commenting that negative attention to trolls statistically increases their posting and the vehemence, more so than praising quality posters.

[Rausch]

Dorsey would have screwed it up too hence the point of this thread. Chiefs just have some bad FO luck in the post King Carl era.

Towards the end of his time Carl had lost it and needed to go.

But when you consider the turds to come after Carl comes out smelling like a scented candle...

[Rausch]

Saw a study on internet commenting that negative attention to trolls statistically increases their posting and the vehemence, more so than praising quality posters.

Science...

[BigMeatballDave]

He has a very childish need to say "I told you so", even when he has to BS to do it.

Around here, He is not alone in this area.

Most are just less vocal about it.

[kcxiv]

Saw a study on internet commenting that negative attention to trolls statistically increases their posting and the vehemence, more so than praising quality posters.

So like the nightly news, 25 min of bad with the last 30 seconds of good. people like trainwrecks or stuff that causes drama. Why, i have no idea.

[crazycoffey]

Saw a study on internet commenting that negative attention to trolls statistically increases their posting and the vehemence, more so than praising quality posters.

Well,,,,,,, d'uh

[ottawa_chiefs_fan]

dr;clay

[Red Dawg]

All you people labeling Fisher a bust with the limited experience he has is plain stupid at this stage in his career. Being hung up on where he was picked is also plain stupid. There was nobody worth the first pick so they got what they needed and the media even agreed so don't tell me it was Dorsey just fugging up. You build with youth not over paying for older players like Albert. Fisher is on year two and fans expect dominance?

All of you need to get back to reality.

[Sandy Vagina]

All you people labeling Fisher a bust with the limited experience he has is plain stupid at this stage in his career. Being hung up on where he was picked is also plain stupid. There was nobody worth the first pick so they got what they needed and the media even agreed so don't tell me it was Dorsey just fugging up. You build with youth not over paying for older players like Albert. Fisher is on year two and fans expect dominance?

All of you need to get back to reality.

Pretty much agree.. and that's from someone who doesn't like seeing his "boo" taking hits from Fisher's failed blocks. There is a lot of suck to Fisher's game right now.. but that was also said about other OTs that eventually developed into good players. There's plenty of time for Fisher to win people over... at least the people that are later willing to admit that they prematurely condemned him.

[WhiteWhale]

It's one thing to cherry pick 4-5 bad plays (like Clay did with Brandon Albert, and pretty much said he sucked because of it, but I digress) but it's a bit different when there's 20+ plays to gif up.

Bad form Fisher.

[jd1020]

I love the argument that there was nobody worth the #1 pick so therefor saying drafting Fisher was a bad idea is stupid!

So nobody was worth the pick, including Mr. Fisher, which makes it a perfectly acceptable time to use that pick on a position that doesn't need help.

[BigMeatballDave]

Some of you act like the Chiefs are the only team to ever take a T 1.1, and do it every year.

[Sandy Vagina]

It's one thing to cherry pick 4-5 bad plays (like Clay did with Brandon Albert, and pretty much said he sucked because of it, but I digress) but it's a bit different when there's 20+ plays to gif up.

Bad form Fisher.

No one should dispute that. Fisher had a real bad game. I do understand where the other side is coming from.. as.. when watching live and forgiving a play or two.. it didn't seem like he had that bad a day. If watching again and focusing on him? No.. real bad day. None of the OL had a good day.

The OTs were lousy.. Fulton and his penalties at critical times are brutal. McGlynn should never be a starting OL.

They all did a better job in week 2 than 1.. though Fisher was equally bad.

:shake: .. just ****ing ugly.

[jd1020]

Some of you act like the Chiefs are the only team to ever take a T 1.1, and do it every year.

How many teams did it with already good tackles and major holes at playmaking positions?

[WhiteWhale]

Who's doing the grading?

Do you know what a genetic fallacy is?

Your criticism of PFF is a genetic fallacy. You have never, once, explained what is inaccurate or wrong about it. You just insult the people behind the site. It's akin to saying 'you're wrong because you're stupid'.

[-King-]

How many teams did it with already good tackles and major holes at playmaking positions?

Most people realized we'd keep either Albert or Bowe. Would you have rather let Bowe go?

Maybe we could have drafted Tavon Austin. He's a playmaker drafted in the top 10 that year that's setting the league on fire!
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[jd1020]

Most people realized we'd keep either Albert or Bowe. Would you have rather let Bowe go?

Maybe we could have drafted Tavon Austin. He's a playmaker drafted in the top 10 that year that's setting the league on fire!
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If my QB is going to be Alex Smith? Ummmm, hell yes I would have rather let Bowe go. Hell, probably could have gotten a pretty good pick for Bowe since before Alex became his QB people were talking about him being a top 10-15 WR in the league.

And I've already said I would have taken Cordarrelle Patterson, not Tavon Austin.

[WhiteWhale]

Most people realized we'd keep either Albert or Bowe. Would you have rather let Bowe go?

Maybe we could have drafted Tavon Austin. He's a playmaker drafted in the top 10 that year that's setting the league on fire!
Posted via Mobile Device

In retrospect?

I'd have kept Albert.

[BigMeatballDave]

How many teams did it with already good tackles and major holes at playmaking positions?

New HC/GM. Overpaid for a QB. Aging existing LT, money to be saved.

New leadership wants their own guys.

It's not brain surgery.

I didn't want a LT at 1.1, but given the circumstances, I think pretty much any team would have done the same.

[WhiteWhale]

Do you believe Jamaal Charles was one of the top 100 players in the NFL in 2012? PFF doesn't.

That's the site you're defending.

It's all number crunching. I think PFF excused it away with the fact that he had more fumbles than TD's and didn't gain much yardage after contact (stupid way to judge an elusive runner).

PFF's imperfection doesn't equate worthlessness.

[jd1020]

New HC/GM. Overpaid for a QB. Aging existing LT, money to be saved.

New leadership wants their own guys.

It's not brain surgery.

I didn't want a LT at 1.1, but given the circumstances, I think pretty much any team would have done the same.

"Any team would have traded 2 seconds for Alex Smith and promptly replaced his best lineman, which just so happened to be his blindside protection, with a rookie from the MAC."

Logic!

[BigMeatballDave]

"Any team would have traded 2 seconds for Alex Smith and promptly replaced his best lineman, which just so happened to be his blindside protection."

Logic!

LMAO Work on your reading comprehension.

[warrior]

Geno at 1.1? This is why you'll never be a GM, or scout, or even waterboy. Because you are a ****ing moron.



:thumb: I agree 100%

[jd1020]

LMAO Work on your reading comprehension.

Explain which part I didn't comprehend.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Geno at 1.1? This is why you'll never be a GM, or scout, or even waterboy. Because you are a ****ing moron.

7 weeks, motherfucker. 7 weeks.

want your qb to do a consistent good job? win at the line... chiefs are stuck with nobodies at the line

HAI GUYZ, ITZ 1986!

[Molitoth]

The homers posting in this thread are just getting abused.

[Molitoth]

HAI GUYZ, ITZ 1986!

lol.

[BigMeatballDave]

The homers posting in this thread are just getting abused.

I thought only retards used the word homer.

[BigMeatballDave]

HAI GUYZ, ITZ 1986!

And you're still on meth?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And you're still on meth?

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[Molitoth]

A True Fan walks into a used car dealership:
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Salesman: what can I sell you today? I see you have a giant wad of money in your pocket, You must have been saving all year for that?

http://www.mechanicadvisor.com/Resources/Upload/Images/carsalesman.jpg


True Fan: Well, what about that nice Porsche over there? It looks fast, strong, and will get me to where I need to go in style.

http://imganuncios.mitula.net/used_2012_porsche_911_carrera_100852503006057708.jpg


Salesman: Well, that may look nice... but you never know, it could break down and those could be pricey to maintain. Might I recommend you this brand instead; it may look like a big project, but it is widely considered a very safe pick.

https://images.copart.com/website/data/pix/20120807/12254753_1X.JPG


True Fan: Well, my wife already drives a nice volvo... but she had mentioned she doesn't really want that car anymore. Maybe we can send it off to our daughter who lives in Miami.

Salesman: So how about that Volvo?!?

http://www.mechanicadvisor.com/Resources/Upload/Images/carsalesman.jpg


True Fan: Ok, I'm Sold!

http://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/files/2012/06/money-stack.jpg


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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

WIN.

[Three7s]

That truefangif still cracks me up. LMAO

It would be hilarious if some of those people were CP members.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I wonder fatty is still saying:

"YEAH! YEAH! WOO-HOO"!

Dipshit.

[loochy]

How anyone can still say Fisher had a good game is absolutely beyond me.

THE PROOF IS RIGHT HERE IN YOUR FACE 20 TIMES. WTF?!?!?

Also, why does it matter what PFF said? It's obvious from THE PROOF THAT IS RIGHT HERE IN YOUR FACE.

Blaming PFF and whining is simply deflecting from the topic at hand: Fisher is ungood at football.

[Molitoth]

If the AFC West were Starcraft:

Denver: (Zerg) - About to bum rush everyone with ease.
San Diego: (Terran) - Well equipped and prepared for battle.
KC: (Protoss) - Still ****ing building, and building, and building.
Oakland: (???) - They stuck with playing original Warcraft.

[loochy]

If the AFC West were Breaking Bad:

Denver: Walter White - pretty awesome, but their overconfidence will be their downfall
San Diego: Pinkman - competent, but not quite up to Walt's level
KC: Gale - showed flashes of brilliance, but in the end just an afterthought
Oakland: Marie - everyone hates that incompetent hobag

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If the AFC West were Breaking Bad:

Denver: Walter White - pretty awesome, but their overconfidence will be their downfall
San Diego: Pinkman - competent, but not quite up to Walt's level
KC: Gale - showed flashes of brilliance, but in the end just an afterthought
Oakland: Marie - everyone hates that incompetent hobag

Nice.

[LoneWolf]

How anyone can still say Fisher had a good game is absolutely beyond me.

THE PROOF IS RIGHT HERE IN YOUR FACE 20 TIMES. WTF?!?!?

Also, why does it matter what PFF said? It's obvious from THE PROOF THAT IS RIGHT HERE IN YOUR FACE.

Blaming PFF and whining is simply deflecting from the topic at hand: Fisher is ungood at football.

PFF was first brought up by Hamas as a way to substantiate his opinion. "That is why he had a rating of -4.9." I simply called out PFF for the fraud that they are when it comes to their player rankings. Not to defend Fisher, but to bring to light to the morons who consider their rankings gospel how truly awful PFF is.

I have never said Fisher played a great game on Sunday. I think his play has improved from last year and if he can continue to improve he could end up being a very good LT for KC. Some of the gifs he absolutely looks bad and his play on these particular plays cannot be defended, but on a few of the gifs Clay's breakdown in slanted and disengenuous.

For instance, on the second play where Fisher gets knocked to the ground and drags his man with him, Fisher was actually knocked over by his own player.

As with most issues on this fucked up board, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Fisher isn't the worst pick in Chiefs history and he isn't the next coming of Orlando Pace.

[loochy]

PFF was first brought up by Hamas as a way to substantiate his opinion. "That is why he had a rating of -4.9." I simply called out PFF for the fraud that they are when it comes to their player rankings. Not to defend Fisher, but to bring to light to the morons who consider their rankings gospel how truly awful PFF is.

Cool.

I think his play has improved from last year
When you are in death valley you can only go up
and if he can continue to improve he could end up being a very good LT for KC.
He'd better improve a LOT.
Some of the gifs he absolutely looks bad and his play on these particular plays cannot be defended, but on a few of the gifs Clay's breakdown in slanted and disengenuous.
The slant makes it funnier.

For instance, on the second play where Fisher gets knocked to the ground and drags his man with him, Fisher was actually knocked over by his own player.
Meh, it's all a dumpster fire.

Fisher isn't the worst pick in Chiefs history and he isn't the next coming of Orlando Pace.

Time will tell

[splatbass]

7 weeks, mother****er. 7 weeks.



HAI GUYZ, ITZ 1986!

Another moron that thinks we should have taken a mediocre QB at 1.1? Where do you idiots come from?

Newflash: 32 teams had a chance to take Geno in the first round. 32 teams passed. 32 teams not only didn't think he was worth the 1.1, but they didn't think he was worth any spot in the first.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Another moron that thinks we should have taken a mediocre QB at 1.1? Where do you idiots come from?

Newflash: 32 teams had a chance to take Geno in the first round. 32 teams passed. 32 teams not only didn't think he was worth the 1.1, but they didn't think he was worth any spot in the first.

"32 teams had the chance to take Tom Brady. 32 teams passed. Blah-blah-blah my Eric "anal" Fissure" etc.

[splatbass]

"32 teams had the chance to take Tom Brady. 32 teams passed. Blah-blah-blah my Eric "anal" Fissure" etc.

Geno Smith will never be Tom Brady. He is mediocre at best, and the morons here crying about the Chiefs having a mediocre QB are slurping the balls of the mediocre QB they wanted instead. Morons, all of you.

[Molitoth]

Another moron that thinks we should have taken a mediocre QB at 1.1? Where do you idiots come from?

Newflash: 32 teams had a chance to take Geno in the first round. 32 teams passed. 32 teams not only didn't think he was worth the 1.1, but they didn't think he was worth any spot in the first.

32 teams did not need a QB, because they had the balls to draft one in previous drafts.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

32 teams did not need a QB, because they had the balls to draft one in previous drafts.

:LOL:

[splatbass]

32 teams did not need a QB, because they had the balls to draft one in previous drafts.

Other teams did and still didn't take him. He is mediocre and will never be worthy of the worship you guys have for him. You guys are in love with the concept of taking a first round pick, and you don't even care who it is, we just need to take a first round QB. Stupid.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Other teams did and still didn't take him. He is mediocre and will never be worthy of the worship you guys have for him. You guys are in love with the concept of taking a first round pick, and you don't even care who it is, we just need to take a first round QB. Stupid.

Let's continue wallowing in all of the fat, gooey, barbecuey goodness of trading for shit back ups! It works so well!

[Three7s]

PFF was first brought up by Hamas as a way to substantiate his opinion. "That is why he had a rating of -4.9." I simply called out PFF for the fraud that they are when it comes to their player rankings. Not to defend Fisher, but to bring to light to the morons who consider their rankings gospel how truly awful PFF is.

I have never said Fisher played a great game on Sunday. I think his play has improved from last year and if he can continue to improve he could end up being a very good LT for KC. Some of the gifs he absolutely looks bad and his play on these particular plays cannot be defended, but on a few of the gifs Clay's breakdown in slanted and disengenuous.

For instance, on the second play where Fisher gets knocked to the ground and drags his man with him, Fisher was actually knocked over by his own player.

As with most issues on this ****ed up board, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Fisher isn't the worst pick in Chiefs history and he isn't the next coming of Orlando Pace.
I know where you're coming from and I saw the same thing myself. I wouldn't say that was exactly what happened on that play, but he did stop his man from making the play.

[Molitoth]

Other teams did and still didn't take him. He is mediocre and will never be worthy of the worship you guys have for him. You guys are in love with the concept of taking a first round pick, and you don't even care who it is, we just need to take a first round QB. Stupid.

This conversation has been hashed out so many times and you still don't get it. Your hatred runs so strong for Geno, that you bring him up all of the time.
Go re-read any Geno Smith thread if you want to discuss Geno Smith. This thread is about Eric Fisher.

[O.city]

Geno Smith will never be Tom Brady. He is mediocre at best, and the morons here crying about the Chiefs having a mediocre QB are slurping the balls of the mediocre QB they wanted instead. Morons, all of you.

This is completely unknown at this point and is the sum of you projecting.

He may be mediocre at best. He may end up being worse than mediocre. He could continue to develop and become a really good QB for the next 10 plus years.

At this point, we don't know with any certainty what he will become. Thats why, speaking for myself only, I would have liked to have drafted him. He has a skillset that I think would have been really great for Andy Reid and company to continue to develop.

Alex Smith, right now, after how ever many eyars in the league, is the definition of mediocre (whether some want to see it or not, thats on them I guess). He's an average NFL QB. At best.

Considering it's been about 10 years since the CHiefs have had that under center, I understand why some Chiefs fans are ok with that. Hell, I was happy with last year and thought he was an ascending player or could still improve. We know he can play at a high enough level, but until he puts together a long span at that, I'm going to consider him to be what he has been over the last 3 plus years. An average, smart QB who wont beat you, but probably isn't good enough to compete at the highest level without having a mountain of talent around him. But, they've stabilized the QB position, which if I were guessing, was something they were told to do by management, seeing as both the HC and GM have a past history or doing it the right way.

Basically, for me, I'll take the 2nd year QB who has the upside to become (insert whatever here) over the 10th year vet who we are still hoping can improve into something he hasnt been over his career.

[O.city]

Fisher was taken because he has elite athleticism for a LT. However, he needed/needs to add strength in order to be able to let said athleticism take over.

We're in his second year in the league and because of injury or whatever it has been, we don't know what we've got in him.

[ChiefsCountry]

Another moron that thinks we should have taken a mediocre QB at 1.1? Where do you idiots come from?

Newflash: 32 teams had a chance to take Geno in the first round. 32 teams passed. 32 teams not only didn't think he was worth the 1.1, but they didn't think he was worth any spot in the first.

League offices thought he was worth a top 15 pick or they wouldn't have invited him to the green room for draft day.

[Simply Red]

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[Sandy Vagina]

Hell, I was happy with last year and thought he was an ascending player or could still improve. We know he can play at a high enough level, but until he puts together a long span at that

isn't good enough to compete at the highest level without having a mountain of talent around him.

He's not going to put together a long span of high level play with the current personnel talent and play-calling of what KC has available to him right now.

Forget about a "mountain of talent"... Until he is no longer standing in a 12 foot depression in the Earth.. he will continue to underwhelm.. yet still show clearly that he is at the bottom of the must-fix list.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Fisherscuses?

[Sandy Vagina]

League offices thought he was worth a top 15 pick or they wouldn't have invited him to the green room for draft day.

They thought as much of JaMarcus Russell also. Still, I am one of the folks giving Geno time before condemning him. At times, he looks alright. He could trend upwards throughout a solid career.. or just as easily fizzle out. No one can really say.. but your point here is crap regardless. Oh, and Brady Quinn.. another Green Room invite. Ooops.

[O.city]

He's not going to put together a long span of high level play with the current personnel talent and play-calling of what KC has available to him right now.

Forget about a "mountain of talent"... Until he is no longer standing in a 12 foot depression in the Earth.. he will continue to underwhelm.. yet still show clearly that he is at the bottom of the must-fix list.

His contract is going to be inversely proportional to them adding talent around him though (if i read it right).

Just as I stated, 10 years into his career, we still think he can be something he's not.

I'd imagine you could also look at the all 22 footage and probably see this "12 foot depression" talent having guys open all over the field, but I digress.

He's at the top of the must fix list, because he's not good enough.

[O.city]

They've also decided, obviously, to rebuild the roster (the right decision). However, at the most important position to rebuild, they've decided to bandaid it.

Make a decision guys. Either or. Little bit of both is how you stay mediocre, which I'm pretty sure is what they want or atleast are ok with.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They've also decided, obviously, to rebuild the roster (the right decision). However, at the most important position to rebuild, they've decided to bandaid it.

Make a decision guys. Either or. Little bit of both is how you stay mediocre, which I'm pretty sure is what they want or atleast are ok with.

Asses in seats?!

Check.

Q- on grills?!

Check.


SUCCESS!

[O.city]

"We're ok as a fanbase to let a young LT develop in hope that he can become a great LT (even though he's fucking awful right now), but if it were a QB, he's got to be great from day 1"

[Sandy Vagina]

His contract is going to be inversely proportional to them adding talent around him though (if i read it right).

Just as I stated, 10 years into his career, we still think he can be something he's not.

I'd imagine you could also look at the all 22 footage and probably see this "12 foot depression" talent having guys open all over the field, but I digress.

He's at the top of the must fix list, because he's not good enough.

I don't think many outside of CP would agree.. but ok.. opinion noted.

The 10 years into his career bit falls short for someone like Alex. Not too many QBs have had similar paths to his. Remarkable amounts of coaching fluctuation and poor teams... and the 2014 Chiefs may best all of them in sucktitude. Guys with similar careers are usually damaged backups or out of the League by now. Smith is still around and a starter because people in the know.. people untainted by irrational dispositions.. recognize that he is not the problem.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

"We're ok as a fanbase to let a young LT develop in hope that he can become a great LT (even though he's ****ing awful right now), but if it were a QB, he's got to be great from day 1"

Yep.:thumb:

[O.city]

I don't think many outside of CP would agree.. but ok.. opinion noted.

The 10 years into his career bit falls short for someone like Alex. Not too many QBs have had similar paths to his. Remarkable amounts of coaching fluctuation and poor teams... and the 2014 Chiefs may best all of them in sucktitude. Guys with similar careers are usually damaged backups or out of the League by now. Smith is still around and a starter because people in the know.. people untainted by irrational dispositions.. recognize that he is not the problem.

People in th know are still starting Matt cassel.

Just because a gm or coach does something, doesn't make it right.

The problem with some is, they don't realize Alex smith was part of the reason fr all that turnover.

[O.city]

I was just informed that people in charge of nfl franchises don't make irrational decisions.

[Sandy Vagina]

The problem with some is, they don't realize Alex smith was part of the reason fr all that turnover.

Oh, do elaborate. Should be good.

You going to tell us that Norv Turner accepted a promotion from OC to HC because he disliked Alex's talent?

That OC Jim Hostler was a great OC that went on to do anything worthwhile ever again?

That Mike Martz made decisions based on Alex, who was on I.R. then anyway?

That Jimmy Raye was such a success but left the NFL because of Alex's struggles?

I'm sorry, what?

[RealSNR]

I know where you're coming from and I saw the same thing myself. I wouldn't say that was exactly what happened on that play, but he did stop his man from making the play.

There was a game where Matt Cassel was mic'd up. He had just scored a TD the previous drive (I think it was the Vikings game in 2011).

He's talking to Lilja or somebody like that. Lilja goes, "Matt, what the hell was the play out there? I was clearly running something different than everybody else." Matt puts on that dumbass doofy grin and goes, "Who cares? We scored anyway!"

Who cares, Matt? How about you be a fucking professional and figure out what went wrong so it doesn't fucking happen again, you incompetent moron. Luck and/or playing against shitty teams isn't going to bail you out every time.

Eric Fisher stopping his man from making a play by being an enormous weak pussy is the exact same situation. I'd rather he just not suck than suck and have shit work out.

[loochy]

Fisherscuses?

Fisher-Gate

it works because Fisher acts like an open gate that lets the opposing players run through

[RealSNR]

They thought as much of JaMarcus Russell also. Still, I am one of the folks giving Geno time before condemning him. At times, he looks alright. He could trend upwards throughout a solid career.. or just as easily fizzle out. No one can really say.. but your point here is crap regardless. Oh, and Brady Quinn.. another Green Room invite. Ooops.
Eric Fisher. Another green room invite.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Fisher-Gate

it works because Fisher acts like an open gate that lets the opposing players run through

LMAO

[tecumseh]

Definitely a black eye on the FO. But it's their asses on the line, so who cares. Nice presentation though.

[ViperVisor]

Mike McCarthy was his original OC in 2005. He got GB HC job the next season.

2007 was what sealed the deal of Nolan administration was a failure.

Jim Hostler was promoted to OC.
Gave up the most sacks in the league.
Alex Smith got hurt.
Arnaz Battle was the leading WR.
Vernon Davis' longest play was 31 yards.

And Nolan was a Defense 1st HC and the leading sacker on the team was Bryant Young in his last season got 6.5

What QBs in the history of the NFL at 23 years old could save that coaches job? Maybe Manning or Marino because they got the ball out super fast.

2008 was just a matter of time till they cleaned house.
Vernon Davis was thrown to only 49 the entire season in Martz offense.
36yo Isaac Bruce and Bryant Johnson were the leading WRs.

[temper11]

Optimistic side is in 2010 Albert, T. Williams, and Joe Staley all were bottom 15 Left Tackles.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-tackles/

This. He isn't playing good now, but if he comes around like Staley in a few years, you'll love having him.

[temper11]

NFL game rewind.

They have the all 22 view too.

How do you make gifs of the plays?

[RealSNR]

This. He isn't playing good now, but if he comes around like Staley in a few years, you'll love having him.

I loved having Branden Albert as my LT, who didn't cost me the #1 overall fucking pick.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I loved having Branden Albert as my LT, who didn't cost me the #1 overall ****ing pick.

This.

[penguinz]

This. He isn't playing good now, but if he comes around like Staley in a few years, you'll love having him.Without looking back with what is known now who would you have taken with the #1 overall? And who would you cut on the current team to pay Albert's Salary?

[temper11]

I loved having Branden Albert as my LT, who didn't cost me the #1 overall ****ing pick.

That may be... all I'm saying is that in a few seasons, (if he turns out to be anything like Staley - to which there is no guarantee) he'll be an incredible asset to the Chiefs. That's all.

[Three7s]

There was a game where Matt Cassel was mic'd up. He had just scored a TD the previous drive (I think it was the Vikings game in 2011).

He's talking to Lilja or somebody like that. Lilja goes, "Matt, what the hell was the play out there? I was clearly running something different than everybody else." Matt puts on that dumbass doofy grin and goes, "Who cares? We scored anyway!"

Who cares, Matt? How about you be a ****ing professional and figure out what went wrong so it doesn't ****ing happen again, you incompetent moron. Luck and/or playing against shitty teams isn't going to bail you out every time.

Eric Fisher stopping his man from making a play by being an enormous weak pussy is the exact same situation. I'd rather he just not suck than suck and have shit work out.
I know. I get that he needs to improve, but at least he didn't get ole'd out of the way like on some of the other fails. Also, I remember that game you're talking about. It was 2010 against the Seahawks. (probably Cassel's best game as a Chief statistically speaking)

[temper11]

Without looking back with what is known now who would you have taken with the #1 overall? And who would you cut on the current team to pay Albert's Salary?

I can't answer that without factoring in what is known now. I don't follow college ball much, so everything I know about players in the draft, is what they are feeding me on draft day. I watch the draft because I'm interested in the positions my team is filling, but know very little about the players themselves.

Cheating, and looking back, I think a CB would have been a good choice in 2013 for the Chiefs.

[Dave Lane]

Mike McCarthy was his original OC in 2005. He got GB HC job the next season.

2007 was what sealed the deal of Nolan administration was a failure.

Jim Hostler was promoted to OC.
Gave up the most sacks in the league.
Alex Smith got hurt.
Arnaz Battle was the leading WR.
Vernon Davis' longest play was 31 yards.

And Nolan was a Defense 1st HC and the leading sacker on the team was Bryant Young in his last season got 6.5

What QBs in the history of the NFL at 23 years old could save that coaches job? Maybe Manning or Marino because they got the ball out super fast.

2008 was just a matter of time till they cleaned house.
Vernon Davis was thrown to only 49 the entire season in Martz offense.
36yo Isaac Bruce and Bryant Johnson were the leading WRs.

So which of the coaches installed cowardice 2.7 on Alex. And noodle arm 8?

[Three7s]

So which of the coaches installed cowardice 2.7 on Alex. And noodle arm 8?
My guess would be Mike Singletary.

[Pablo]

Looked great to me in those .gifs!

CHIEFS R COOL AND FUN TO WATCH!!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Looked great to me in those .gifs!

CHIEFS R COOL AND FUN TO WATCH!!

LMAO

[WakkaWakka]

Other teams did and still didn't take him. He is mediocre and will never be worthy of the worship you guys have for him. You guys are in love with the concept of taking a first round pick, and you don't even care who it is, we just need to take a first round QB. Stupid.

I'll just leave this right here...

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[Kaylore]

W. (name withheld) broke this down really well. One thing it shows is Alex Smith and Reid have adjusted the offense and it's execution to allow Smith to get rid of the ball and make plays before the sieve on your left side breaks.

The down is it looks like another top three pick, in this case first overall, didn't go your way. It's odd that the Chiefs keep using top tier picks on "safe" choices that end up not panning out. I mean if you guys drafted risky picks that busted, you'd never hear the end of it. But it is possible to be too safe. You could argue rounds 3-5 are the time to take risks.

I went back and looked at all the tackles that were taken in the top 3 since 1990. There aren't many. From 1990-2000 there were three and they were all excellent: Tony Boselli, Orlando Pace and Chris Samuels. All three were all-pro at least once and were multiple pro bowl selections.

From 2001 on things get worse. Robert Gallery, Joe Thomas, Jake Long and Jason Smith. Two were busts. One could be a HOF candidate. Jake Long is not bad, but the players drafted after him at the same position are all doing better.

It's still too early to say for Fisher, Joeckel and obviously Greg Robinson, but it's not looking great for all three as they've all had a host of problems. I should point out the Rams drafted Jason Smith and now have Jake Long - and they drafted Greg Robinson who was moved to guard and then is now playing behind another player. It must be a Missouri thing to suck at drafting top tackles?

[LoneWolf]

W. (name withheld) broke this down really well. One thing it shows is Alex Smith and Reid have adjusted the offense and it's execution to allow Smith to get rid of the ball and make plays before the sieve on your left side breaks.

The down is it looks like another top three pick, in this case first overall, didn't go your way. It's odd that the Chiefs keep using top tier picks on "safe" choices that end up not panning out. I mean if you guys drafted risky picks that busted, you'd never hear the end of it. But it is possible to be too safe. You could argue rounds 3-5 are the time to take risks.

I went back and looked at all the tackles that were taken in the top 3 since 1990. There aren't many. From 1990-2000 there were three and they were all excellent: Tony Boselli, Orlando Pace and Chris Samuels. All three were all-pro at least once and were multiple pro bowl selections.

From 2001 on things get worse. Robert Gallery, Joe Thomas, Jake Long and Jason Smith. Two were busts. One could be a HOF candidate. Jake Long is not bad, but the players drafted after him at the same position are all doing better.

It's still too early to say for Fisher, Joeckel and obviously Greg Robinson, but it's not looking great for all three as they've all had a host of problems. I should point out the Rams drafted Jason Smith and now have Jake Long - and they drafted Greg Robinson who was moved to guard and then is now playing behind another player. It must be a Missouri thing to suck at drafting top tackles?

It must be great to be a fan of a franchise that drafts such awesome players like:

Peyton Manning
Wes Welker
Emmanuel Sanders
Aquib Talib
Demarcus Ware
T.J. Ward

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It must be great to be a fan of a franchise that drafts such awesome players like:

Peyton Manning
Wes Welker
Emmanuel Sanders
Aquib Talib
Demarcus Ware
T.J. Ward

ROFL Gaylord knows his team is dirt without jughead

[The Franchise]

Without looking back with what is known now who would you have taken with the #1 overall? And who would you cut on the current team to pay Albert's Salary?

Cut? How about Chase Daniel and Anthony Fasano?

And who would I have drafted over Fisher? Pick a name: Dion Jordan, Barkevious Mingo, Sheldon Richardson.

You can sit there and claim that Jordan or Mingo would have been a reach....but I'd rather have either one of them over Fisher. Plus you don't how Jordan would have fit in here instead of Miami (who criminally under-utilized him his first year).

[ThaVirus]

This. He isn't playing good now, but if he comes around like Staley in a few years, you'll love having him.


With our luck, he'll be dog shit up until the final year of his contract. Then he'll turn All-Pro, just in time for us to extend him for $15 mil per year.

[Sandy Vagina]

With our luck, he'll be dog shit up until the final year of his contract. Then he'll turn All-Pro, just in time for us to extend him for $15 mil per year.

With recent history considered, wouldn't KC just let him walk into FA once good and then draft another project that sucks for years? :(

[mdchiefsfan]

With our luck, he'll be dog shit up until the final year of his contract. Then he'll turn All-Pro, just in time for us to extend him for $15 mil per year.

His extension will come after he beasts against a weak schedule and every teams best pass rusher goes down with an injury. Because Chiefs...

[Kaylore]

It must be great to be a fan of a franchise that drafts such awesome players like:

Peyton Manning
Wes Welker
Emmanuel Sanders
Aquib Talib
Demarcus Ware
T.J. Ward

Yes, you have to sign other players too. We lost Knowshon and Decker, both our draft picks, to free agency. But we still have great players like Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Chris Harris, Danny Trevathan, Von Miller and Orlando Franklin. Bradley Roby is playing like stud already. And keep an eye on Lerentee McCray and Quentarus Smith.

ROFL Gaylord knows his team is dirt without jughead

Is this supposed to make me feel bad? "HAHA! YOU HAVE A HOF QB! IF HE WERE GONE, YOU WOULD SUCK!" And it's not even true. We'd be a .500 football team without Manning. Shoot we werea .500 football team with Tim Tebow at QB and we won the division.

[Sorter]

Yes, you have to sign other players too. We lost Knowshon and Decker, both our draft picks, to free agency. But we still have great players like Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Chris Harris, Danny Trevathan, Von Miller and Orlando Franklin. Bradley Roby is playing like stud already. And keep an eye on Lerentee McCray and Quentarus Smith.
.

Me gusta Quant. Smith.


Me. Gusta.

[BigMeatballDave]

Yes, you have to sign other players too. We lost Knowshon and Decker, both our draft picks, to free agency. But we still have great players like Ryan Clady, Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Chris Harris, Danny Trevathan, Von Miller and Orlando Franklin. Bradley Roby is playing like stud already. And keep an eye on Lerentee McCray and Quentarus SmithGreat players? LOL Okay.

A few very good players, and some JAGs.

[Hammock Parties]

Good to see a Broncos fan over here. Kaylore, do you think Eric Fisher looks like a guy who could be a top 10 LT?

[BigMeatballDave]

Is this supposed to make me feel bad? "HAHA! YOU HAVE A HOF QB! IF HE WERE GONE, YOU WOULD SUCK!" And it's not even true. We'd be a .500 football team without Manning. Shoot we werea .500 football team with Tim Tebow at QB and we won the division.

Whoa, dude.

You nearly lost Sunday.

A good team would have clocked you.

[BigMeatballDave]

Good to see a Broncos fan over here. Kaylore, do you think Eric Fisher looks like a guy who could be a top 10 LT?

Fisher is playing like ass.

Find some other earth-shattering story to cover.

[Kaylore]

Good to see a Broncos fan over here. Kaylore, do you think Eric Fisher looks like a guy who could be a top 10 LT?

At this point, no. But it's still early. He is having neck issues. Having said that, my biggest worry would be his lack of balance. If he never gets his feet under him, and you get all your power from your legs and hips, he's never going to be able to anchor anything.

[Hammock Parties]

Fisher is playing like ass.

Find some other earth-shattering story to cover.

You have to realize why I came out of GIF'D UP retirement to make this thread. There was word going around these parts that Eric Fisher had played a good game. I set out to find the truth and here we are. Now we are free.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Good to see a Broncos fan over here. Kaylore, do you think Eric Fisher looks like a guy who could be a top 10 LT?

Don't care what that douche thinks.

[BigMeatballDave]

You have to realize why I came out of GIF'D UP retirement to make this thread. There was word going around these parts that Eric Fisher had played a good game. I set out to find the truth and here we are. Now we are free.

While I think he played better Sunday, better does not equal good.
There was some improvement.

I'm trying to focus on that.

[Hammock Parties]

While I think he played better Sunday, better does not equal good.
There was some improvement.

I'm trying to focus on that.

I would definitely say it was an improvement. Dumpster fire to below average IMO.

[Sorter]

It'd be interesting to see if Fisher could improve at a faster rate playing next to an average LG instead of the dumpster fire he's got now.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

At this point, no. But it's still early. He is having neck issues. Having said that, my biggest worry would be his lack of balance. If he never gets his feet under him, and you get all your power from your legs and hips, he's never going to be able to anchor anything.

Don't care what that douche thinks.

You should care because he absolutely fucking nailed it, spot-on.

[BigMeatballDave]

It'd be interesting to see if Fisher could improve at a faster rate playing next to an average LG instead of the dumpster fire he's got now.

And Sorter drops some fucking logic.

[splatbass]

This conversation has been hashed out so many times and you still don't get it. Your hatred runs so strong for Geno, that you bring him up all of the time.


This is actually a complete lie. you are better than that. I rarely bring him up, and only in response to other's posts about him.

[splatbass]

I'll just leave this right here...

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So? That is QBs with their original teams. I don't give a shit whether we draft a QB or find one in free agency. It is people like you that are obsessed with getting a "homegrown" QB.