Has Anyone Else's life Been Affected by Police Brutality?

[whoaskew]

Over the past couple months, there have been many instances of police brutality and police killings being reported that have garnered national attention – Mike Brown, Andrew Scott Gaynier, Ezell Ford, Dillon Taylor, Dante Parker, Omar Abrego, Jacinto Zavala, Diana Showman, Michelle Cusseaux, Joshua Paul, Joseph Jennings, Guillermo Canas, Chris Lollie, Bryce Masters, and many, many others



I thought I should share my personal experience about how my life has been affected by Police Brutality:


While a senior at PSU, where he majored in accounting, my Dad was a victim of police brutality. He was driving home to KC for the weekend, when an 18 wheeler veered into his lane causing a wreck. The Police arrived, and saw that he was Black, so they beat him - breaking over a dozen bones and leaving him with permanent brain damage. Eventually my Dad received a settlement from the Police Department, but the money didn't erase what they did, and it surely didn't make up for all the lives that were affected in the process.

My mother was pregnant with me at the time this occurred, so I never even got a chance to develop a relationship with my Dad before the incident occurred. I remember telling my Dad I would be going to college in a small town, just like he did, and I remember him breaking down in tears begging me not to... swearing that if I went to college in a small town, someone would kill me before I made it to graduation, just like they tried to do to him. I kept that thought in the back of my mind, every day for the entire fours years that I attended Lincoln University, and especially during my junior and senior years when I commuted twice per week between Lincoln University in Jefferson City, MO and Kansas City, Missouri where I worked as a Supervisor at H&R Block.

I was fortunate that despite his injuries, my father lived to see my 30th birthday. That was long enough for him to see me graduate with my bachelor's degree in business, see the birth of both of his grandsons (my sons), and later saw me graduate with my master's degree in business. My father died at 52 years old, and while it was initially thought that his death was suspicious, it was later confirmed that his death was due to the brain damage caused by a stroke.

On the day my Dad died, I made this post on the planet - http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5845168 - and I am still grateful for all the support that I received during that time.


If you have any comments or experiences with police brutality, please share them below


P.S. For those that are interested, you can follow along as I make updates about this topic on my blog - http://www.asknigeljohnson.com/stop-police-brutality/

[Red Dawg]

My life has. If the cops would have used a little police brutality, my fugged neighborhood in south KC would have been a little safer but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Black guys beat up the white guys all the time.

[eDave]

Yes. Am white.

EDIT: I recount 4 times.

[Bugeater]

My life has. If the cops would have used a little police brutality, my fugged neighborhood in south KC would have been a little safer but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Black guys beat up the white guys all the time.
Did you ever consider that maybe the reason you all were getting your asses kicked was because you were a bunch of fucking pussies, and not because you were white?

[Simply Red]

No I lock up around them. I'm terrified of cops more so than I would be of Suge Knight.

[Ming the Merciless]

the closest thing that ever happened was when I was about 16-17 I was in a car with 3 others and we get pulled over..

Mustve been a rookie cop because he pulled his gun and basically freaked out when he saw a baseball bat on the floor of the back seat area

Once he found out the driver was captain of the (very nearly state champion, locally famous kid) football team...and a couple of us were on the baseball team..he basically apologized and let us on our way...

Obviously not brutality by any stretch, but the dude (rookie cop) was crazy eyed and it scared me.

[mikey23545]

No. I'm polite and respectful to cops like I am to anyone else and I've never had a bit of trouble.

[eDave]

No. I'm polite and respectful to cops like I am to anyone else and I've never had a bit of trouble.

So was I. Mine came down to situation and/or bias. All were WTF moments.

[Simply Red]

Suge Knight would probably like me okay.

[Red Dawg]

Did you ever consider that maybe the reason you all were getting your asses kicked was because you were a bunch of ****ing pussies, and not because you were white?

We were out number big time you dick. It couldn't be helped.

[Abba-Dabba]

very nearly state champion... LMAO

I've been handcuffed for no reason, profiled for the way I look, received a ticket by an officer then less than an hour later see him sitting in his police vehicle outside my residence. Those aren't all of the instances, just the ones that piss me off. Not what I would consider police brutality. But enough to make me look at them as not as what they say they are.

[TribalElder]

Talk to my lawyer, he abuses them

[Abba-Dabba]

No. I'm polite and respectful to cops like I am to anyone else and I've never had a bit of trouble.

So you are just a dickface here then?


I kid

[Deberg_1990]

Over the past couple months, there have been many instances of police brutality and police killings being reported that have garnered national attention – Mike Brown, Andrew Scott Gaynier, Ezell Ford, Dillon Taylor, Dante Parker, Omar Abrego, Jacinto Zavala, Diana Showman, Michelle Cusseaux, Joshua Paul, Joseph Jennings, Guillermo Canas, Chris Lollie, Bryce Masters, and many, many others



I thought I should share my personal experience about how my life has been affected by Police Brutality:


While a senior at PSU, where he majored in accounting, my Dad was a victim of police brutality. He was driving home to KC for the weekend, when an 18 wheeler veered into his lane causing a wreck. The Police arrived, and saw that he was Black, so they beat him - breaking over a dozen bones and leaving him with permanent brain damage. Eventually my Dad received a settlement from the Police Department, but the money didn't erase what they did, and it surely didn't make up for all the lives that were affected in the process.

My mother was pregnant with me at the time this occurred, so I never even got a chance to develop a relationship with my Dad before the incident occurred. I remember telling my Dad I would be going to college in a small town, just like he did, and I remember him breaking down in tears begging me not to... swearing that if I went to college in a small town, someone would kill me before I made it to graduation, just like they tried to do to him. I kept that thought in the back of my mind, every day for the entire fours years that I attended Lincoln University, and especially during my junior and senior years when I commuted twice per week between Lincoln University in Jefferson City, MO and Kansas City, Missouri where I worked as a Supervisor at H&R Block.

I was fortunate that despite his injuries, my father lived to see my 30th birthday. That was long enough for him to see me graduate with my bachelor's degree in business, see the birth of both of his grandsons (my sons), and later saw me graduate with my master's degree in business. My father died at 52 years old, and while it was initially thought that his death was suspicious, it was later confirmed that his death was due to the brain damage caused by a stroke.

On the day my Dad died, I made this post on the planet - http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5845168 - and I am still grateful for all the support that I received during that time.


If you have any comments or experiences with police brutality, please share them below


P.S. For those that are interested, you can follow along as I make updates about this topic on my blog - http://www.asknigeljohnson.com/police-brutality-in-the-news/


Wow, sorry about your father. That's awful.


Sounds like he would be very proud of you.

[Baby Lee]

Not much, but one threatening situation I had that came out of the blue.

I was leaving my electronics labs in the evening and wanted to get something at best buy. For those familiar this took me from WashU to down Clayton to Hanley across the interstate into Richmond heights. These are pretty nice areas.

I made a turn on Hanley on a yellow. I know because I watched all the way through. Traveled about 2 miles to over the Interstate and then turned on my signal to turn into the Best Buy.

All of the sudden I get lit up.

Apparently a Clayton local had be stalking horse ever since Clayton Ave. I turn in and stop. Demeanor was combative from the start. Said I had run a red back there. I said I don't think I did, but if you determined to the contrary . . .

Now he's swinging his flashlight around the cabin, asked me probably 10-12 times if I was drunk, if I was high, if I had anything in the car, what was in my backpack, why so jumpy, what are you on, all the escalatory codewords.

At most, I was tired from 4 hours of lab work and calculations and startled to be stopped at all. Mind you this entire time I had been following along in fairly heavy traffic and never exceeded 35 MPH and stopped at 3 stoplights, again in the flow of traffic.

It took about 10 minutes, but finally he wrote out the red light summons and an equally bullshit double lane change for turning into Best Buy [at a spot where there were only two lanes].

So much depends on the demeanor and mood of an officer.

[Sandy Vagina]

Yep. Lost my badge for putting some punk's head through a window. He had it coming, that prick. I'd do it again. All worked out well in the end anyway. Can't get away with anything anymore, what with all the damn cameras/cell phone use.

[OldSchool]

Nope, never had any problem with cops either in my hometown or at Berkeley.

Hell, I was blackout out and belligerent one night with several cops around who were trying help some medics deal with a kid who had alcohol poisoning. Medics asked them to arrest me for impeding, apparently I kept "trying to help", and they said no and just let my friends take me away from the scene.

[BucEyedPea]

Yes one time. I am white and female. However, I've also been helped and assisted by cops more than that.

[whoaskew]

Wow, sorry about your father. That's awful.


Sounds like he would be very proud of you.


Thanks, I appreciate it.

[listopencil]

No brutality, just harassment.

[eDave]

No brutality, just harassment.

Fine line

[notorious]

My goodness, that's terrible.


After reading the OP, I admire how you pushed on. It takes a lot of character and strength to succeed after what happened to your family.

[listopencil]

Fine line

I'm not counting that one time that I was subdued by five cops with billy clubs. I was very drunk and very belligerent. It took them a while to get me on the ground. I don't actually remember very much of it.

[loochy]

Yes. They come to my house at night. They break in and beat me up every night.

[eDave]

I'm not counting that one time that I was subdued by five cops with billy clubs. I was very drunk and very belligerent. It took them a while to get me on the ground. I don't actually remember very much of it.

I wanna party with you dude.

[eDave]

Yes. They come to my house at night. They break in and beat me up every night.

That's the meth bro.

[Bwana]

Damn sorry to hear about your Father. As far as cops, it was the other way around for me. I would have them show up at the gym where I taught martial arts and they would want to fight. Some of them were cool but the ones with an attitude were the ones I would "humble." I would always ask the question "do you want to go light, medium or full contact." I loved the clowns that would answer light and come with everything they had, I enjoyed those guys.

[listopencil]

I wanna party with you dude.

It was a long time ago. They were kind enough to provide a police escort to the ambulance. Apparently I had alcohol poisoning. That surprised me because I was only drinking what I normally did on a big night. I woke up restrained in a hospital bed with a catheter in me. I'm pretty sure I had slept off worse, so I was mildly annoyed. Found my shirt ripped up in the gutter the next day. That did piss me off, it was a sweet (and expensive) Punisher t-shirt.

[Ming the Merciless]

very nearly state champion... LMAO



Yes, my high school football team were very nearly the state champions...played the final game that season in a pro stadium against the actual State Champions

In a very large state

[Abba-Dabba]

Yes, my high school football team were very nearly the state champions...played the final game that season in a pro stadium against the actual State Champions

In a very large state

It was just funny to me that you said it that way.

I see you came in 2nd. Congratulations on being the 1st loser! / Stroker Ace

[eDave]

It was just funny to me that you said it that way.

I see you came in 2nd. Congratulations on being the 1st loser! / Stroker Ace

When I drive through, I believe Liberal, KS, there is a "Welcome" sign that says "Welcome to Liberal, KS. Home of the State Championship runner ups!"

I get a chuckle every time. Again, I THINK it's Liberal.

[Simply Red]

Yes, my high school football team were very nearly the state champions...played the final game that season in a pro stadium against the actual State Champions

In a very large state

would you be scared of Suge Knight?

[eDave]

would you be scared of Suge Knight?

I have pondered this thought. If I had nothing to be scared of, then no. Otherwise it would be cool to meet up with him. How that would happen is unknown at this point.

[2bikemike]

I was smacked around by a KCK cop down on Speaker road back in the day when kids would drag race down there. I admit I was a smart ass to the cop. I was angry and had a chip on my shoulder. It actually turned out better that I didn't get run in that night.

The other time was while in the Navy, in Long Beach. I was on my bike doing about a hundred miles an hour and the by the time the cop caught up to me and pulled me over I was right at the front gate to the base. I had been drinking and didn't want to take off my full face helmet. The cop hit me upside the helmet with his mag light. About this time the Base police started coming from the gate and the cop told me I better get my ass back on the base. Again it worked out to my advantage.

I can't count the number of times I have been harassed as a kid from Wyandotte county hanging out in Johnson County. I would get pulled over, searched and questioned on what I was doing over there.

Nothing compared to the OP's story.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Well, the bastards did pull me over one night , made me pour out a case of beer and stole my friggin bong !

I guess it's ironic that now I jack off pigs.

[SAUTO]

I grew up in armourdale
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Nope.

[Buzz]

I grew up in armourdale
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I remember you saying this before, as a white guy, not a place I would want to drive through after dark. I used to sell window signs to a chicken place there 20 years ago, didn't feel comfortable during the day.

[notorious]

When I drive through, I believe Liberal, KS, there is a "Welcome" sign that says "Welcome to Liberal, KS. Home of the State Championship runner ups!"

I get a chuckle every time. Again, I THINK it's Liberal.

Liberal is such a fine town.


/sarcasm

[Chiefs4TheWin]

I have not been a victim of brutality, but I've been a victim of my own stupidity. When I was young my friend got pulled for a break light. Ended up searching all 5 of us under the guise of they had the right to search the car, lied, said they found marijuana, charged the person who's seat they claimed had weed in it for possession, and the driver for transporting. Said if they came in the next day and gave a name they would be OK. So we went home and the 5 of us made up a name.

So we made up a name, Jeff Clark. Went in and asked to see what they found. They found nothing.

Of the 2 police officers that did this. One is now a Pennsylvania State Policeman, and the other is still a local town police officer.

Ever since then I've studied my rights in this wretched state.

[kcxiv]

I used to get harassed all the time as a kid by the same asshole who is now the Chief these days, **** Tom Trinidad. lol I was with a friend when i was like 19 and apparently there was a hit and run a few blocks where we were partying at. Well, it was like 2 in the morning and me and a buddy were walking home in the hood and all of a sudden this cop comes charging out of some bushes and tackles my friend next to me in the street lol His whole arm got turned into hamburger meat. It was nasty. Shit was so uncalled for. Then he tried to blame us for the hit and run. Apprently someone wrecked a car into one of them construction waste bins. lol It wasnt me or him, but i know who did it! lol This was years ago though like 1997 maybe

[DC.chief]

One June night in 2008, I had an argument with my father and had left the house to cool down. While I was out my mother called and said I need you here now it's about dad hurry. I speed home and find my dad in the backyard underneath the deck sitting on a retaining wall with a gun behind his back. He was calm at the time but had claimed he was going to shoot himself. I was back there with my mom and my neighbor having a calm conversation and trying to talk him into giving us the gun.

I left the yard and went next door where two federal law enforcement agents resided. I ask them for advice as they were friends and the both said call the cops. I felt things were under control but decided lets be safe about this. I call. 4 deputies show up and formulate a plan in less than 2 minutes to basically storm through the gate through our privacy fence to taser him. It is pitch black outside as it is nearly midnight mind you. They storm through the gate. point flashlights in his face and fire tasers at him before even announcing themselves. one probe hits his arm but the other misses. He stands up and runs to the back door of the house while leaving the gun behind on the retaining wall. as he opens the door a deputy puts a 3 round burst from an ar-15 in his back and he falls face first into the rec room. my mother and I were both with in a few feet of him. I watched him lift his head and arm for a brief second and he took his last breath.

We went through two federal trials and lost both. the police claimed he had the gun on him and raised it at them even though all 3 bullet wounds were in his backside. They lied and said the gun was underneath him after he fell. Yet from all the blood that stained the carpet underneath his torso not a drop of it was on the gun, which was still in its holster by the way. we lost the appeal. I will never under any circumstance call the police again. If I had only tackled him and took the gun from him, which I could have, this all could have been avoided. In my defining moment, I failed.

[Bwana]

One June night in 2008, I had an argument with my father and had left the house to cool down. While I was out my mother called and said I need you here now it's about dad hurry. I speed home and find my dad in the backyard underneath the deck sitting on a retaining wall with a gun behind his back. He was calm at the time but had claimed he was going to shoot himself. I was back there with my mom and my neighbor having a calm conversation and trying to talk him into giving us the gun.

I left the yard and went next door where two federal law enforcement agents resided. I ask them for advice as they were friends and the both said call the cops. I felt things were under control but decided lets be safe about this. I call. 4 deputies show up and formulate a plan in less than 2 minutes to basically storm through the gate through our privacy fence to taser him. It is pitch black outside as it is nearly midnight mind you. They storm through the gate. point flashlights in his face and fire tasers at him before even announcing themselves. one probe hits his arm but the other misses. He stands up and runs to the back door of the house while leaving the gun behind on the retaining wall. as he opens the door a deputy puts a 3 round burst from an ar-15 in his back and he falls face first into the rec room. my mother and I were both with in a few feet of him. I watched him lift his head and arm for a brief second and he took his last breath.

We went through two federal trials and lost both. the police claimed he had the gun on him and raised it at them even though all 3 bullet wounds were in his backside. They lied and said the gun was underneath him after he fell. Yet from all the blood that stained the carpet underneath his torso not a drop of it was on the gun, which was still in its holster by the way. we lost the appeal. I will never under any circumstance call the police again. If I had only tackled him and took the gun from him, which I could have, this all could have been avoided. In my defining moment, I failed.

That's one hell of a story, sorry dude that sucks. :(

[whoaskew]

One June night in 2008, I had an argument with my father and had left the house to cool down. While I was out my mother called and said I need you here now it's about dad hurry. I speed home and find my dad in the backyard underneath the deck sitting on a retaining wall with a gun behind his back. He was calm at the time but had claimed he was going to shoot himself. I was back there with my mom and my neighbor having a calm conversation and trying to talk him into giving us the gun.

I left the yard and went next door where two federal law enforcement agents resided. I ask them for advice as they were friends and the both said call the cops. I felt things were under control but decided lets be safe about this. I call. 4 deputies show up and formulate a plan in less than 2 minutes to basically storm through the gate through our privacy fence to taser him. It is pitch black outside as it is nearly midnight mind you. They storm through the gate. point flashlights in his face and fire tasers at him before even announcing themselves. one probe hits his arm but the other misses. He stands up and runs to the back door of the house while leaving the gun behind on the retaining wall. as he opens the door a deputy puts a 3 round burst from an ar-15 in his back and he falls face first into the rec room. my mother and I were both with in a few feet of him. I watched him lift his head and arm for a brief second and he took his last breath.

We went through two federal trials and lost both. the police claimed he had the gun on him and raised it at them even though all 3 bullet wounds were in his backside. They lied and said the gun was underneath him after he fell. Yet from all the blood that stained the carpet underneath his torso not a drop of it was on the gun, which was still in its holster by the way. we lost the appeal. I will never under any circumstance call the police again. If I had only tackled him and took the gun from him, which I could have, this all could have been avoided. In my defining moment, I failed.

My God man, that is horrible. I thought my situation was bad, but to actually witness that with your own eyes?

I know it is easy for me to sit here and tell you not to blame yourself, but I can honestly understand why you feel the way you do. A small part of me blames myself for what happened to my Dad, and I wasn't even born yet when it happened.

I hate to hear you went through that, and I hope those bastards rot in hell for what they did...

[eDave]

One June night in 2008, I had an argument with my father and had left the house to cool down. While I was out my mother called and said I need you here now it's about dad hurry. I speed home and find my dad in the backyard underneath the deck sitting on a retaining wall with a gun behind his back. He was calm at the time but had claimed he was going to shoot himself. I was back there with my mom and my neighbor having a calm conversation and trying to talk him into giving us the gun.

I left the yard and went next door where two federal law enforcement agents resided. I ask them for advice as they were friends and the both said call the cops. I felt things were under control but decided lets be safe about this. I call. 4 deputies show up and formulate a plan in less than 2 minutes to basically storm through the gate through our privacy fence to taser him. It is pitch black outside as it is nearly midnight mind you. They storm through the gate. point flashlights in his face and fire tasers at him before even announcing themselves. one probe hits his arm but the other misses. He stands up and runs to the back door of the house while leaving the gun behind on the retaining wall. as he opens the door a deputy puts a 3 round burst from an ar-15 in his back and he falls face first into the rec room. my mother and I were both with in a few feet of him. I watched him lift his head and arm for a brief second and he took his last breath.

We went through two federal trials and lost both. the police claimed he had the gun on him and raised it at them even though all 3 bullet wounds were in his backside. They lied and said the gun was underneath him after he fell. Yet from all the blood that stained the carpet underneath his torso not a drop of it was on the gun, which was still in its holster by the way. we lost the appeal. I will never under any circumstance call the police again. If I had only tackled him and took the gun from him, which I could have, this all could have been avoided. In my defining moment, I failed.

Damn. I don't know what else to say really. How are you doing?

[Ming the Merciless]

would you be scared of Suge Knight?

Only if he loved you more than I do

which I do not believe ANY man is capable of

and then I would also be scared of what I would do to him

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Only if he loved you more than I do

which I do not believe ANY man is capable of

and then I would also be scared of what I would do to him

ROFL

[Buzz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZLTBrWEWW4A

[teedubya]

My life has been affected by having to read shit about it online.

[SAUTO]

I remember you saying this before, as a white guy, not a place I would want to drive through after dark. I used to sell window signs to a chicken place there 20 years ago, didn't feel comfortable during the day.

LMAO, What chicken joint?


My pops still lives in the same house and they run little bars all over.
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[MOhillbilly]

No.

I'm excellent at avoiding them.

[SAUTO]

No.

I'm excellent at avoiding them.

I learned quick at about 11
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[LoneWolf]

One June night in 2008, I had an argument with my father and had left the house to cool down. While I was out my mother called and said I need you here now it's about dad hurry. I speed home and find my dad in the backyard underneath the deck sitting on a retaining wall with a gun behind his back. He was calm at the time but had claimed he was going to shoot himself. I was back there with my mom and my neighbor having a calm conversation and trying to talk him into giving us the gun.

I left the yard and went next door where two federal law enforcement agents resided. I ask them for advice as they were friends and the both said call the cops. I felt things were under control but decided lets be safe about this. I call. 4 deputies show up and formulate a plan in less than 2 minutes to basically storm through the gate through our privacy fence to taser him. It is pitch black outside as it is nearly midnight mind you. They storm through the gate. point flashlights in his face and fire tasers at him before even announcing themselves. one probe hits his arm but the other misses. He stands up and runs to the back door of the house while leaving the gun behind on the retaining wall. as he opens the door a deputy puts a 3 round burst from an ar-15 in his back and he falls face first into the rec room. my mother and I were both with in a few feet of him. I watched him lift his head and arm for a brief second and he took his last breath.

We went through two federal trials and lost both. the police claimed he had the gun on him and raised it at them even though all 3 bullet wounds were in his backside. They lied and said the gun was underneath him after he fell. Yet from all the blood that stained the carpet underneath his torso not a drop of it was on the gun, which was still in its holster by the way. we lost the appeal. I will never under any circumstance call the police again. If I had only tackled him and took the gun from him, which I could have, this all could have been avoided. In my defining moment, I failed.

Where can I access more information about this incident? I would like to read more about this case.

[Buzz]

LMAO, What chicken joint?


My pops still lives in the same house and they run little bars all over.
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Don't remember, a long time ago, and wow, when I drove through there I felt like I could get shot from any direction. You hear about east St. Louis, some places you don't go, that would be top of the list. Stupid is as stupid does, I'm not that damn dumb.

[SAUTO]

Don't remember, a long time ago, and wow, when I drove through there I felt like I could get shot from any direction. You hear about east St. Louis, some places you don't go, that would be top of the list. Stupid is as stupid does, I'm not that damn dumb.

It was all any of us knew. We loved and lived it.
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[DC.chief]

Damn. I don't know what else to say really. How are you doing?
Some days are better than others. At the deposition I sat across a table from the man, coward, that pulled the trigger and stared him in the face for 3 hours. I've considered doing things i've never imagined I could. But obviously none of that will change anything.

So It's either give up or find a way to live.

[eDave]

Some days are better than others. At the deposition I sat across a table from the man, coward, that pulled the trigger and stared him in the face for 3 hours. I've considered doing things i've never imagined I could. But obviously none of that will change anything.

So It's either give up or find a way to live.

Your father will be proud of you if you find a way live. Tall order I know.

Sorry for the sap. Your story had an impact on me.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

One June night in 2008, I had an argument with my father and had left the house to cool down. While I was out my mother called and said I need you here now it's about dad hurry. I speed home and find my dad in the backyard underneath the deck sitting on a retaining wall with a gun behind his back. He was calm at the time but had claimed he was going to shoot himself. I was back there with my mom and my neighbor having a calm conversation and trying to talk him into giving us the gun.

I left the yard and went next door where two federal law enforcement agents resided. I ask them for advice as they were friends and the both said call the cops. I felt things were under control but decided lets be safe about this. I call. 4 deputies show up and formulate a plan in less than 2 minutes to basically storm through the gate through our privacy fence to taser him. It is pitch black outside as it is nearly midnight mind you. They storm through the gate. point flashlights in his face and fire tasers at him before even announcing themselves. one probe hits his arm but the other misses. He stands up and runs to the back door of the house while leaving the gun behind on the retaining wall. as he opens the door a deputy puts a 3 round burst from an ar-15 in his back and he falls face first into the rec room. my mother and I were both with in a few feet of him. I watched him lift his head and arm for a brief second and he took his last breath.

We went through two federal trials and lost both. the police claimed he had the gun on him and raised it at them even though all 3 bullet wounds were in his backside. They lied and said the gun was underneath him after he fell. Yet from all the blood that stained the carpet underneath his torso not a drop of it was on the gun, which was still in its holster by the way. we lost the appeal. I will never under any circumstance call the police again. If I had only tackled him and took the gun from him, which I could have, this all could have been avoided. In my defining moment, I failed.

My god man.... There is nothing on this planet I can say except, DO NOT GIVE UP!! Keep speaking out. There is always someone in this world willing to listen.

I hope beyond all hope justice comes to you and your family.

[Buzz]

It was all any of us knew. We loved and lived it.
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I'm not even going to try to come from where you came from, people in that neighbor hood, outsiders are prey.

[vailpass]

One June night in 2008, I had an argument with my father and had left the house to cool down. While I was out my mother called and said I need you here now it's about dad hurry. I speed home and find my dad in the backyard underneath the deck sitting on a retaining wall with a gun behind his back. He was calm at the time but had claimed he was going to shoot himself. I was back there with my mom and my neighbor having a calm conversation and trying to talk him into giving us the gun.

I left the yard and went next door where two federal law enforcement agents resided. I ask them for advice as they were friends and the both said call the cops. I felt things were under control but decided lets be safe about this. I call. 4 deputies show up and formulate a plan in less than 2 minutes to basically storm through the gate through our privacy fence to taser him. It is pitch black outside as it is nearly midnight mind you. They storm through the gate. point flashlights in his face and fire tasers at him before even announcing themselves. one probe hits his arm but the other misses. He stands up and runs to the back door of the house while leaving the gun behind on the retaining wall. as he opens the door a deputy puts a 3 round burst from an ar-15 in his back and he falls face first into the rec room. my mother and I were both with in a few feet of him. I watched him lift his head and arm for a brief second and he took his last breath.

We went through two federal trials and lost both. the police claimed he had the gun on him and raised it at them even though all 3 bullet wounds were in his backside. They lied and said the gun was underneath him after he fell. Yet from all the blood that stained the carpet underneath his torso not a drop of it was on the gun, which was still in its holster by the way. we lost the appeal. I will never under any circumstance call the police again. If I had only tackled him and took the gun from him, which I could have, this all could have been avoided. In my defining moment, I failed.

Holy. Shit.

[JakeLV]

It's terrible that people are actually allowed to do things like that. I'm sorry to the both of you.

I have nothing positive to add to the discussion.

How do you go about breaking the police culture? Mandating college degrees would be a start. I honestly don't want people who barely graduate high school being tasked with navigating very complex situations.

[BucEyedPea]

It's terrible that people are actually allowed to do things like that. I'm sorry to the both of you.

I have nothing positive to add to the discussion.

How do you go about breaking the police culture? Mandating college degrees would be a start. I honestly don't want people who barely graduate high school being tasked with navigating very complex situations.

Some are college grads and many are ex-military. If they were in a war zone I think it affects them. I also think certain personality-types are attracted to certain professions. So I think anger types or aggressive types could flock to this one. JMO.

[MOhillbilly]

Some are college grads and many are ex-military. If they were in a war zone I think it affects them. I also think certain personality-types are attracted to certain professions. So I think anger types or aggressive types could flock to this one. JMO.

Loads of em are chickenshits with a power trip.

[GloucesterChief]

It's terrible that people are actually allowed to do things like that. I'm sorry to the both of you.

I have nothing positive to add to the discussion.

How do you go about breaking the police culture? Mandating college degrees would be a start. I honestly don't want people who barely graduate high school being tasked with navigating very complex situations.

Liability. Make them carry insurance like Doctor's do. Right now since the city, state, or county will pay any damages due to police actions there is a moral hazard in that the individual officers due not pay out of pocket for their misdeeds.

[Ming the Merciless]

Liability. Make them carry insurance like Doctor's do. Right now since the city, state, or county will pay any damages due to police actions there is a moral hazard in that the individual officers due not pay out of pocket for their misdeeds.

The insurance isn't a the biggest issue I do not believe.

The biggest issue is that usually there needs to be some type of administrative finding of 'misconduct' before a lawsuit would be successful.

I'm not super up on it, but most people that make the kind of money police officers do (150 G a year with benefits) actually do have a million or 3 million of 'personal liability umbrella' insurance (or something similar that would cover them) which would be enough to handle 99% of all defenses you would ever need.

But it probably rarely even has to kick in, because of the requirement for misconduct....and also because the union probably has their own insurance that defends them 1st, even if a lawsuit gets through the administrative phase

Hopefully someone more in the know can correct me if I am wrong though.

[LoneWolf]

The insurance isn't a the biggest issue I do not believe.

The biggest issue is that usually there needs to be some type of administrative finding of 'misconduct' before a lawsuit would be successful.

I'm not super up on it, but most people that make the kind of money police officers do (150 G a year with benefits) actually do have a million or 3 million of 'personal liability umbrella' insurance (or something similar that would cover them) which would be enough to handle 99% of all defenses you would ever need.

But it probably rarely even has to kick in, because of the requirement for misconduct....and also because the union probably has their own insurance that defends them 1st, even if a lawsuit gets through the administrative phase

Hopefully someone more in the know can correct me if I am wrong though.

You think police officers make $150,000 a year?

[loochy]

I'm not super up on it, but most people that make the kind of money police officers do (150 G a year with benefits)

WTF?

Maybe long tenured officers in high cost of living areas like NYC or LA make that much.

I guarantee you that most don't make anywhere near that.

I think you need to be looking at about 100 k less than that - 50k per year is much more realistic.

[WhiteWhale]

I'm not going into details, but when I was 14 3 police officers beat the shit out of me while I was handcuffed to a rail mounted to the concrete wall at their police station.

My crime? My friend and I were walking home after a movie and they busted us for being out past the 10 oclock curfew... it was 10:07.

They also kept pointing guns at me and making jokes about murdering me, burying me in a field, and how nobody would know. So I got my ass whipped and my life threatened (one of the officers kept grabbing my junk too) because I was out past curfew. Procedure for such a case was for the officers to take the kids home to their guardian, instead they took us to a police station for entertainment.

One June night in 2008, I had an argument with my father and had left the house to cool down. While I was out my mother called and said I need you here now it's about dad hurry. I speed home and find my dad in the backyard underneath the deck sitting on a retaining wall with a gun behind his back. He was calm at the time but had claimed he was going to shoot himself. I was back there with my mom and my neighbor having a calm conversation and trying to talk him into giving us the gun.

I left the yard and went next door where two federal law enforcement agents resided. I ask them for advice as they were friends and the both said call the cops. I felt things were under control but decided lets be safe about this. I call. 4 deputies show up and formulate a plan in less than 2 minutes to basically storm through the gate through our privacy fence to taser him. It is pitch black outside as it is nearly midnight mind you. They storm through the gate. point flashlights in his face and fire tasers at him before even announcing themselves. one probe hits his arm but the other misses. He stands up and runs to the back door of the house while leaving the gun behind on the retaining wall. as he opens the door a deputy puts a 3 round burst from an ar-15 in his back and he falls face first into the rec room. my mother and I were both with in a few feet of him. I watched him lift his head and arm for a brief second and he took his last breath.

We went through two federal trials and lost both. the police claimed he had the gun on him and raised it at them even though all 3 bullet wounds were in his backside. They lied and said the gun was underneath him after he fell. Yet from all the blood that stained the carpet underneath his torso not a drop of it was on the gun, which was still in its holster by the way. we lost the appeal. I will never under any circumstance call the police again. If I had only tackled him and took the gun from him, which I could have, this all could have been avoided. In my defining moment, I failed.

Makes my ass whipping seem pretty small time. I don't really have any words.

Courts will take the word of a police officer over demonstrable evidence. This may be the worst example. No one should have to witness such a thing.

[WhiteWhale]

The insurance isn't a the biggest issue I do not believe.

The biggest issue is that usually there needs to be some type of administrative finding of 'misconduct' before a lawsuit would be successful.

I'm not super up on it, but most people that make the kind of money police officers do (150 G a year with benefits) actually do have a million or 3 million of 'personal liability umbrella' insurance (or something similar that would cover them) which would be enough to handle 99% of all defenses you would ever need.

But it probably rarely even has to kick in, because of the requirement for misconduct....and also because the union probably has their own insurance that defends them 1st, even if a lawsuit gets through the administrative phase

Hopefully someone more in the know can correct me if I am wrong though.

Most police officers make between 40K and 55k per year according to all statistics available.

I have no idea where you pulled 150K per year with benefits.

[Don Corlemahomes]

One June night in 2008, I had an argument with my father and had left the house to cool down. While I was out my mother called and said I need you here now it's about dad hurry. I speed home and find my dad in the backyard underneath the deck sitting on a retaining wall with a gun behind his back. He was calm at the time but had claimed he was going to shoot himself. I was back there with my mom and my neighbor having a calm conversation and trying to talk him into giving us the gun.

I left the yard and went next door where two federal law enforcement agents resided. I ask them for advice as they were friends and the both said call the cops. I felt things were under control but decided lets be safe about this. I call. 4 deputies show up and formulate a plan in less than 2 minutes to basically storm through the gate through our privacy fence to taser him. It is pitch black outside as it is nearly midnight mind you. They storm through the gate. point flashlights in his face and fire tasers at him before even announcing themselves. one probe hits his arm but the other misses. He stands up and runs to the back door of the house while leaving the gun behind on the retaining wall. as he opens the door a deputy puts a 3 round burst from an ar-15 in his back and he falls face first into the rec room. my mother and I were both with in a few feet of him. I watched him lift his head and arm for a brief second and he took his last breath.

We went through two federal trials and lost both. the police claimed he had the gun on him and raised it at them even though all 3 bullet wounds were in his backside. They lied and said the gun was underneath him after he fell. Yet from all the blood that stained the carpet underneath his torso not a drop of it was on the gun, which was still in its holster by the way. we lost the appeal. I will never under any circumstance call the police again. If I had only tackled him and took the gun from him, which I could have, this all could have been avoided. In my defining moment, I failed.

:(

Fucking shit, man. I'm so sorry to hear this.

[Don Corlemahomes]

I'm not going into details, but when I was 14 3 police officers beat the shit out of me while I was handcuffed to a rail mounted to the concrete wall at their police station.

My crime? My friend and I were walking home after a movie and they busted us for being out past the 10 oclock curfew... it was 10:07.

They also kept pointing guns at me and making jokes about murdering me, burying me in a field, and how nobody would know. So I got my ass whipped and my life threatened (one of the officers kept grabbing my junk too) because I was out past curfew. Procedure for such a case was for the officers to take the kids home to their guardian, instead they took us to a police station for entertainment.



Makes my ass whipping seem pretty small time. I don't really have any words.

Courts will take the word of a police officer over demonstrable evidence. This may be the worst example. No one should have to witness such a thing.

More :(.

What power hungry douchebags.

[Otter]

Over the past couple months, there have been many instances of police brutality and police killings being reported that have garnered national attention – Mike Brown, Andrew Scott Gaynier, Ezell Ford, Dillon Taylor, Dante Parker, Omar Abrego, Jacinto Zavala, Diana Showman, Michelle Cusseaux, Joshua Paul, Joseph Jennings, Guillermo Canas, Chris Lollie, Bryce Masters, and many, many others



I thought I should share my personal experience about how my life has been affected by Police Brutality:


While a senior at PSU, where he majored in accounting, my Dad was a victim of police brutality. He was driving home to KC for the weekend, when an 18 wheeler veered into his lane causing a wreck. The Police arrived, and saw that he was Black, so they beat him - breaking over a dozen bones and leaving him with permanent brain damage. Eventually my Dad received a settlement from the Police Department, but the money didn't erase what they did, and it surely didn't make up for all the lives that were affected in the process.

My mother was pregnant with me at the time this occurred, so I never even got a chance to develop a relationship with my Dad before the incident occurred. I remember telling my Dad I would be going to college in a small town, just like he did, and I remember him breaking down in tears begging me not to... swearing that if I went to college in a small town, someone would kill me before I made it to graduation, just like they tried to do to him. I kept that thought in the back of my mind, every day for the entire fours years that I attended Lincoln University, and especially during my junior and senior years when I commuted twice per week between Lincoln University in Jefferson City, MO and Kansas City, Missouri where I worked as a Supervisor at H&R Block.

I was fortunate that despite his injuries, my father lived to see my 30th birthday. That was long enough for him to see me graduate with my bachelor's degree in business, see the birth of both of his grandsons (my sons), and later saw me graduate with my master's degree in business. My father died at 52 years old, and while it was initially thought that his death was suspicious, it was later confirmed that his death was due to the brain damage caused by a stroke.

On the day my Dad died, I made this post on the planet - http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5845168 - and I am still grateful for all the support that I received during that time.


If you have any comments or experiences with police brutality, please share them below


P.S. For those that are interested, you can follow along as I make updates about this topic on my blog - http://www.asknigeljohnson.com/stop-police-brutality/

Damn, I'm sorry to hear about this man. I'm originally from PA and no stranger to PSU. That place is pretty famous for over zealous police.

[J Diddy]

Damn, I'm sorry to hear about this man. I'm originally from PA and no stranger to PSU. That place is pretty famous for over zealous police.

I'm thinking perhaps he's talking about Pittsburg State University in Kansas

[CoMoChief]

I got beaten and sprayed back in 2004 for simply walking next door to my buddy's apt who was having a party til the police showed up due to a noise violation...they told everyone to leave which I did originally...I lived next door and was just gonna wait til they left before I headed back over. Although I left my cell phone on an end table near the front door and friends of mine were coming in town that night so I headed back over there to get it real quick in case they called so I could tell them party was broken up etc... when said cop (all 5ft 150 lbs of him) screamed and cussed me out for coming back and didn't like the fact I was "eye ****ing" him. Told him I was just getting my phone and so i grabbed my phone and turned around to leave and as I was walking out cop slammed me up against the wall and asked me if I was being a tough guy for ignoring his direct orders. (btw I had just arrived to the party right before the cops showed up cuz I had just gotten off work..so I really haven't had anything to drink yet). This was right at the doorway of the apt so it eventually got taken outside on front patio right in front of my door actually. Cop with small man syndrome was trying to throw me down to the ground and it just wasn't working and he was screaming for me to stop resisting I just kept telling him I wasn't doing anything wrong and he's the one attacking me. Well he finally swung me down to the ground by my jacket and I landed on top of him. This bitch coward of a cop starts screaming for help like a little girl and at this point he has one of my arms kind of in that chicken winged hold. I'm still on top of him because of the way he had my arm pinned to where I couldn't really move although I was trying to get up. This startled the other cops inside who came rushing outside and one immediately took out his baton and started swinging. Which didn't hurt my adrenaline at this point is pumping too much for me to really feel anything til the next morning. But then came the pepper spray from point blank range right in my eyes. That shit sucks lol. I was then handcuffed and arrested and charged for assault on LEO and resisting arrest.

Independent witness across the parking lot witnesses the whole thing and was nice enough to testify and give written statement of what she saw plus much of this was caught on one of the squad cars. Btw 5 squad cars arrived at this college party where there were maybe 20ppl. 1 out of the 5 squad cars had their dash cams on and it was the one that captured the footage which was obtained by my attorney. The police report said I dumped a beer on the officer (lies) and had reached for cops gun (lies) after I had slammed him onto the ground (lies) and because of my physical size and strength the cop was feared for his life (lies). Thank god for the independent eye witness and dash cam. Case was thrown out and I sued the police department for assault and won with a settlement. Then through some resources of mine I found out where said cop lived and I'll just leave it at that. He's no longer a cop in that police dept and ended up moving to Oklahoma as of 2006 from what I was told. Justice was ****ing served.

This was one of many police officer abuse cases in about a 3month period cops everywhere in this dept were beating up college kids because a woman cop was shot in the head during a traffic stop and she was the first woman cop to be killed on the job and the whole dept and city govt made a big fuss about it and the cops from that point for about a few months were having their way with college kids. My attorney had about 7 or 8 other cases like mine that all happened within a few weeks from another.

[tooge]

It's who askED you

[Otter]

I'm thinking perhaps he's talking about Pittsburg State University in Kansas

Observational bias. I wouldn't have guessed "Pittsburg State University in Kansas" if you had a lighter under my baby makers.

:shrug:

[loochy]

It's who askED you

What is who asked you?

[Fish]

[..]

He was driving home to KC for the weekend, when an 18 wheeler veered into his lane causing a wreck. The Police arrived, and saw that he was Black, so they beat him - breaking over a dozen bones and leaving him with permanent brain damage. Eventually my Dad received a settlement from the Police Department, but the money didn't erase what they did, and it surely didn't make up for all the lives that were affected in the process.

[...]

So could you share any more details here? The police just arrived at the scene of a wreck and started beating on him because of his skin color? State troopers or police? Normally it would be state troopers that respond to a highway wreck, so that would make it a state matter.

Just curious.

[cosmo20002]

the closest thing that ever happened was when I was about 16-17 I was in a car with 3 others and we get pulled over..

Mustve been a rookie cop because he pulled his gun and basically freaked out when he saw a baseball bat on the floor of the back seat area

Once he found out the driver was captain of the (very nearly state champion, locally famous kid) football team...and a couple of us were on the baseball team..he basically apologized and let us on our way...

Obviously not brutality by any stretch, but the dude (rookie cop) was crazy eyed and it scared me.

:facepalm:
Do you know who I am?
The captain of the very nearly state champion football team!

[kepp]

:facepalm:
Do you know who I am?
The captain of the very nearly state champion football team!

"And you're very nearly to losing your job, ROOKIE!"

[BWillie]

Never seen it. Never encountered it. Not once.

I think the notion that police treat people poorly is highly exaggerated. It's kind of sad, in my opinion, how soldiers & troops are placed upon this pedestal, but everyone hates cops...when in reality, on an everyday basis, Cops keep you safe, even more so than the military. Yet we never solute their achievements or bravery like we do those in the military.

[KCUnited]

I plan to write a not so fictional book one day when I retire about a townie who tragically lost his life while confronting a group of teens his son had been beefing with and the way a small town police force (not just a couple bad cops) affected an investigation that sent an underage male to prison as an adult for 2nd degree murder. I'd link it, but with my luck someone involved would stumble upon it while looking for some Jamaal Charles injury updates and be like "hey are you so and so?".

[CoMoChief]

Never seen it. Never encountered it. Not once.

I think the notion that police treat people poorly is highly exaggerated. It's kind of sad, in my opinion, how soldiers & troops are placed upon this pedestal, but everyone hates cops...when in reality, on an everyday basis, Cops keep you safe, even more so than the military. Yet we never solute their achievements or bravery like we do those in the military.

How do cops keep you safe?

If someone armed breaks into your home w/ intentions on hurting anyone that's in the home. What are the cops going to do for you?

I'll tell you what they'll do. They'll show up after the fact 1/2 hour later and write reports to start an investigation on who committed said crime(s).

[BWillie]

How do cops keep you safe?

If someone armed breaks into your home w/ intentions on hurting anyone that's in the home. What are the cops going to do for you?

I'll tell you what they'll do. They'll show up after the fact 1/2 hour later and write reports to start an investigation on who committed said crime(s).

Youre right. When I was in college, they didn't find the hooligan who stole my clothes from a laundry mat. Savages!!!!

[Abba-Dabba]

Never seen it. Never encountered it. Not once.

I think the notion that police treat people poorly is highly exaggerated. It's kind of sad, in my opinion, how soldiers & troops are placed upon this pedestal, but everyone hates cops...when in reality, on an everyday basis, Cops keep you safe, even more so than the military. Yet we never solute their achievements or bravery like we do those in the military.


ROFL another person who doesn't know the role of police. They aren't there to keep you safe. I think it was Gonzales v. Colorado that determined that. They are there to enforce the law. They could care less about your safety.

[FishingRod]

I had more interaction with the Police in my younger days than I should have but, I was always polite and they treated me in a satisfactory manner. A few were jerks but no more so than your average grownup when dealing with a teenager.

For my Chiefs planet friends that have darker skin than I do, I rarely jump to the conclusion that the Cops are automatically at fault when an incident like Ferguson MO occurs nor do I jump to the conclusion the police are always in the right. What can tell you from personal observation is that if you happen to be darker skinned than I am with MO plates and driving in PV KS where I live, the crime of DWB seems to be strictly enforced and it is very very un-cool.

[BWillie]

ROFL another person who doesn't know the role of police. They aren't there to keep you safe. I think it was Gonzales v. Colorado that determined that. They are there to enforce the law. They could care less about your safety.

This is simply not true. The police are there to do both. Serve & protect.

[Abba-Dabba]

This is simply not true. The police are there to do both. Serve & protect.

no they aren't

They are there to uphold the law. Not to serve you, or protect you. Your protection is up to no one but yourself.

[CoMoChief]

This is simply not true. The police are there to do both. Serve & protect.

how do they protect you?

[Ming the Merciless]

You think police officers make $150,000 a year?

I know they do in my town

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/santa-rosa/?&s=-base

[Ming the Merciless]

:facepalm:
Do you know who I am?
The captain of the very nearly state champion football team!

I meant it in terms of there was a legitimate reason for a baseball bat in the vehicle (sports)...

But you knew that, youre just being an assbergers cunt again. Time for your ritalin, bruce.

[Ming the Merciless]

WTF?

Maybe long tenured officers in high cost of living areas like NYC or LA make that much.

I guarantee you that most don't make anywhere near that.

I think you need to be looking at about 100 k less than that - 50k per year is much more realistic.

Maybe you need to move / change jobs?

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/santa-rosa/?&s=-base

page 11+ has a lot of just regular police officers....

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/santa-rosa/?page=11&s=-base


Read my original post....

[BWillie]

how do they protect you?

I'm sure that when you attend a Chiefs game, and some drunk guy gets on top of you and starts decking you in the face, they will just sit there & watch.

When they see a suspicious person or terrorist in a public place, they'll just throw their hands up and go, well he hasn't broken any laws yet.

Police have to respond to domestic disturbances, nuisances, and many other things where they aren't enforcing any specific law.

[Mennonite]

I meant it in terms of there was a legitimate reason for a baseball bat in the vehicle (sports)

A likely story.

http://i.imgur.com/hSSlm9p.jpg

[Ming the Merciless]

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[BigRichard]

Sounds like a shitty thing to happen. Two questions for the OP. What year did that happen to your father? And did you experience anything like that in your college days?

[kcfanXIII]

The closest I've come is having a gun drawn on me as I reached for my paperwork. He said I was dressed like "someone out of SOA." I told him he watched too much tv. it was 8 in the morning and I was pulled over on my bike for not having a tag. It had literally ripped off the bike while I was riding down the highway. I was on my way to the DMV after work to replace the tag when I got pulled over. It was 8 in the morning and I was on my way to work. While I understand his thought process, I still think he was over zealous in brandishing his firearm. That is the closest I've ever come to any police abuse. Even in my younger days, my interactions with LEOs were always polite. I think the local PD does a pretty good job of hiring quality cops, and releasing the bad ones, because most of the people I know from here all have the same feelings about our police force. They do their job, and don't try to over step their boundaries. Can't ask for much more in a police force, IMHO.

[Just Passin' By]

I'm sure that when you attend a Chiefs game, and some drunk guy gets on top of you and starts decking you in the face, they will just sit there & watch.

When they see a suspicious person or terrorist in a public place, they'll just throw their hands up and go, well he hasn't broken any laws yet.

Police have to respond to domestic disturbances, nuisances, and many other things where they aren't enforcing any specific law.

Absent a special relationship between the police and the person(s) involved, or a state created danger, the police have no constitutional duty to protect. This has been dealt with at the U.S. Supreme court level.

[loochy]

Maybe you need to move / change jobs?

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/santa-rosa/?&s=-base

page 11+ has a lot of just regular police officers....

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/santa-rosa/?page=11&s=-base


Read my original post....

I read your post.

Now you reply with information from a place with a high cost of living. Surely you have to know that it's not normal for policemen to make that much...

[whoaskew]

I'm not going into details, but when I was 14 3 police officers beat the shit out of me while I was handcuffed to a rail mounted to the concrete wall at their police station.

My crime? My friend and I were walking home after a movie and they busted us for being out past the 10 oclock curfew... it was 10:07.

They also kept pointing guns at me and making jokes about murdering me, burying me in a field, and how nobody would know. So I got my ass whipped and my life threatened (one of the officers kept grabbing my junk too) because I was out past curfew. Procedure for such a case was for the officers to take the kids home to their guardian, instead they took us to a police station for entertainment.




I don't understand what satisfaction a person would get from terrorizing a 14 year old kid?

That is horrible, and there is no telling how many others had to go through that too


Damn, I'm sorry to hear about this man. I'm originally from PA and no stranger to PSU. That place is pretty famous for over zealous police.

I'm thinking perhaps he's talking about Pittsburg State University in Kansas

Yes, I meant Pittsburg State University in Kansas


I got beaten and sprayed back in 2004 for simply walking next door to my buddy's apt who was having a party til the police showed up due to a noise violation....Cop with small man syndrome was trying to throw me down to the ground and it just wasn't working and he was screaming for me to stop resisting I just kept telling him I wasn't doing anything wrong and he's the one attacking me. Well he finally swung me down to the ground by my jacket and I landed on top of him......I was then handcuffed and arrested and charged for assault on LEO and resisting arrest...Independent witness across the parking lot witnesses the whole thing and was nice enough to testify and give written statement of what she saw plus much of this was caught on one of the squad cars...Justice was ****ing served.

I am glad that everything worked out for you.


It's who askED you

Well, for many years I lived on a street named "Askew" so the name kind of stuck with me.


So could you share any more details here? The police just arrived at the scene of a wreck and started beating on him because of his skin color? State troopers or police? Normally it would be state troopers that respond to a highway wreck, so that would make it a state matter.

Just curious.


I really would like to find out more details if I could, but not really sure where to find something like that out.

Of course I wasn't born yet when it occured so everything I was told was obviously second hand. But from what I was told, my father was driving his parent's car. 18 wheeler hits him, leaving the car totalled. Authorities arrive, and see that they found a Black man in a city that did not like Blacks.

Back in those days, they racists would often try to make examples of Blacks who they caught, which would usually consist of college students traveling through, just like my Dad. That is why Blacks would often have to travel on the highway in large groups, to minimize those types of confrontations. I guess this particular weekend, my Dad didn't have any friends or other cars traveling with him.

He was already injured in the wreck, the trucker admitted to being at fault, but of course they let the trucker go. When the trucker left, they commenced to beating my Dad on the side of the highway, then threw him in jail and kept him there for weeks or months, not sure which. My mother didn't know where he was. My grandparents didn't know where my Dad was either...

They only way my family found him was because my Grandpa had insurance on his car, and the insurance company started making phone calls, asking questions about the accident. That is what lead to my family finding out where my Dad was, and my Grandparents had to go get him from the jail, take him back to Kansas City, Kansas, and do their best to nurse him back to health.

Of course that ended his college career, and set his life on a much different path. Without my father in my life, my mother had to also drop out of college to focus on raising me. Even though she was from Wichita, Kansas, my mother moved to Kansas City, Missouri to be closer to my Dad and to assist my Grandparents in helping him.

At some point my Grandparents found a lawyer who was willing to take the case, which eventually lead to a settlement for my Dad.


This is simply not true. The police are there to do both. Serve & protect.


Sorry brother, that is simply not true:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=341&issue_id=72004

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1976377/posts



Sounds like a shitty thing to happen. Two questions for the OP. What year did that happen to your father? And did you experience anything like that in your college days?


I was born in October 1978, so it must have occurred earlier that same year.

My Grandpa recently told me it happened near Mound City, Kansas, but I am not sure how accurate that is since my Grandpa's memory isn't what is used to be. I would love to look up the case and find out more details, but I don't know where to start to look that type of thing up.


I was pretty fortunate during my college days. I don't remember having many run ins with the Jefferson City PD... mostly just the campus police which was never a big deal.

[jd1020]

I've had a few shake my hand. It was horrible.

[Sorter]

Yep. Lost my badge for putting some punk's head through a window. He had it coming, that prick. I'd do it again. All worked out well in the end anyway. Can't get away with anything anymore, what with all the damn cameras/cell phone use.

Coward.

[whoaskew]

So not only are they beating, shooting, and killing us... but now the cops are robbing us too?




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http://7online.com/news/man-claims-cop-stole-cash-right-out-of-his-pocket/342765/


By Jim Dolan
Friday, October 10, 2014 08:52AM
CONEY ISLAND (WABC) -- Did a New York police officer take cash right out of a man's pocket?

The Brooklyn District Attorney has video of the incident in question and he's investigating.

In the video, keep an eye on the right hand of the police officer, which goes into Lenard Joye's sweater pocket and comes out with what Joye claims is a wad of cash, which the police officer does not give back.

"Why you gonna take my money," you hear Joye say on the recording.

Instead, the officer sprays Joye with pepper spray and when his sister tries to identify the police officer, "Get his badge number, get his badge number," she says on the recording, she gets sprayed as well.

"It seems like it's a strong arm robbery, that they took his money, and then when he asked for it back, they maced him in the face," said Robert Marinelli, Joye's attorney.

Attorney Robert Marinelli represents the man who claims the police robbed him.

"Mr. Joye works full time, he has proof of where all that money came from, pays taxes, seemingly robbed by a member of the NYPD," Marinelli said.

A statement by the Police Benevolent Association Wednesday night said "A 35 second long video does not provide enough information about a police encounter to come to any conclusion." And then they blamed the person who documented the incident. "It is time to stop the amateur video activists who interfere with police operations." The NYPD said, "As a result of the allegations, the matter is under investigation by the Internal Affairs Bureau and the CCRB." They would not say if the officer was still working on the streets, but it's not just him.

On Friday the NYPD said that an investigation had determined that Joye was carrying $62 at the time of his arrest, not the $1,300 that his attorney claimed, and that police properly vouchered the confiscated $62.

However, an NYPD Internal Affairs investigation continues, particularly into the pepper spraying. The Brooklyn District Attorney's Office is also is investigating.

The officer, a 22-year veteran, has not been suspended and remains on patrol.

"There's one officer standing right next to him and at the end of the video you can see four or five officers just standing on the side and not taking any action," Marinelli said.

Eyewitness News showed the tape to people in the neighborhood.

"It's outrageous, it shouldn't be happening like that, you're supposed to be here to protect and serve, you know you are making people scared of you," a resident said.

"I just think it's too much, that's just too much now. It's good they caught it on camera because people get to see what's going on," another resident said.

Neither Joye or his sister were arrested. The cash was never accounted for.

[ThaVirus]

I've read about that with motorists. Hell, I may have read it in this thread; I don't remember.

Basically they pull motorists over and confiscate large sums of cash. Apparently there are some serious legal hoops to jump through get the money back that often makes it not even worth it to try.

[whoaskew]

I've read about that with motorists. Hell, I may have read it in this thread; I don't remember.

Basically they pull motorists over and confiscate large sums of cash. Apparently there are some serious legal hoops to jump through get the money back that often makes it not even worth it to try.


According to the news reporter in the video, in this case the officer didn't turn the money in to the department, he didn't file any police reports, he didn't even issue any tickets to anybody during the stop. He literally just took the man's money, put it in his pocket, then pepper sprayed both the man and his sister when they tried to read his badge number prior to the officer leaving the scene.

Fortunately, this incident was caught on video.

[rabblerouser]

Black guys beat up the white guys all the time.LMAO

NO!!! I don't believe it. Lol.

[rabblerouser]

Nope. Been arrested a bunch of times, was incarcerated for a stretch, even...

But never once was the threat of police brutality imminent, not one time.

Of course, I never was violent, I never attacked a cop or acted like I was going to. I never acted annoyed, never did the 'What I do???' BS.

So...nope. no police brutality for me.

[Dayze]

I've read about that with motorists. Hell, I may have read it in this thread; I don't remember.

Basically they pull motorists over and confiscate large sums of cash. Apparently there are some serious legal hoops to jump through get the money back that often makes it not even worth it to try.
Yep. Unlike a person who is innocent until proven guilty, your property is guilty until innocent. So if they think the $2k you have in your backpack is to buy drugs......then it is. You have to fight it and good luck ever seeing it again.

[RockChalk]

My brother is a police officer and he beats my ass in ping pong every time we play, so yes, I have been.

[Calcountry]

Yes, my high school football team were very nearly the state champions...played the final game that season in a pro stadium against the actual State Champions

In a very large state

You can't talk to these guys about that, they have no clue. Their state championships are equivalent to our section championships.

Our HS, have to be invited to the participate in the State Championship based on tradition of the program as well as strength of schedule, etc.

How long ago did you play Pwned mower?

[rabblerouser]

My brother is a police officer and he beats my ass in ping pong every time we play, so yes, I have been.

Brutal.

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