Husain Abdullah Appreciation Thread

[staylor26]

This guy doesn't get the credit he deserves. Another great personnel move by Dorsey. Can't believe people didn't think he'd be much of an upgrade over Lewis.

[staylor26]

Best game of his life... good post...

Yea because he hasn't been playing well the past three weeks too and without Berry.

[Deberg_1990]

his flag in the endzone was BS. Lots of christian players pray in the endzone.

[Sorter]

Really? More Blackbob?

[staylor26]

We've been on of the best defenses in the NFL at preventing big plays without Eric Berry so if you don't think Abdullah is an unsung hero of this turnaround you're a fucking moron.

[ChiefsChoke010414]

his flag in the endzone was BS. Lots of christian players pray in the endzone.

That will be all over CNN tomorrow and will be the most talked about social event of the week. :)

[WilliamTheIrish]

He was bowing towards Mecca.

[Sandy Vagina]

Played very well tonight. Looking like a solid starter. http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3903/applauses.gif

[OldSchool]

The guy is like Smith. Unspectacular most of the time, does his job, but shows up big in big games. (He picked off Luck twice in the playoff game).

[Cheater5]

Saying "Aloha snackbar" will now draw a 15 yard penalty.

[TLO]

He showed some awesome speed/acceleration on that INT reuturn.

[Reerun_KC]

Allah happy

[RealSNR]

Hope he tells Goodell to go fuck himself for flagging him for being Muslim

[PornChief]

may he return many more ints inshallah

[dtebbe]

BOOM goes the dynamite!

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[Fritz88]

I don't know why he was flagged. Lots of players kneel and do the cross gesture.
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[chiefzilla1501]

So it's perfectly fine for Santos to point to the sky after kicking a field goal, but it's not ok for Abdullah to do his form of religious homage.

The NFL can go fuck themselves.

[Mr. Laz]

Best game of his life...

yep

[L.A. Chieffan]

Tebow never got penalized...

[Marcellus]

I and few others pointed out this offseason his resigning was the improvement we needed at the other safety position.

He kicked ass in the playoff game and the end of last year. He just needed some time to get back into NFL shape.

[chiefzilla1501]

I guess it's okay for Tebow to go to his knees for Jesus. But not okay for this.

Horse shit.

[lcarus]

Really happy about how he's been playing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Maybe if he went into the stands and punched a girl in the face, he might have had the penalty reduced to 5 yards

[-King-]

The NFL should apologize for the penalty and make it known that he shouldn't have been penalized.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>you&#39;re not penalized for going to the ground to give praise after a TD</p>&mdash; Mike Pereira (@MikePereira) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikePereira/status/404767176634028033">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[mcaj22]

I'd honestly consider trading Berry. I know you'd get flamed for that idea, but you could clear that 19 million, use to extend Houston and keep Hali who clearly still has a shitload in the tank and might be a mistake wanting to cut him at the end of the season. This defense is literally carried by the Houston and Hali. I get cutting a guy like Flowers but I don't know how you just cut Hali for free on the open market and give your competition a chance to sign him anywhere in the AFC. He has a lot of value, on this team or as a trade piece. It's hard to argue you need that cap space for anything else that would be an upgrade, because there isn't going to be anything else out there next year to use it on.

[O.city]

The money is there. I'd keep Berry, but DJ, Devito etc, some of the older contracts need to be gone.

[kcxiv]

his flag in the endzone was BS. Lots of christian players pray in the endzone.

im pretty sure Abdullah said he wasnt fined for praying, but for the slide.

[cmh6476]

I guess the NFL hates Islam

[Easy 6]

Abdullah the Moderate.

God bless him.

[ThaVirus]

The guy is like Smith. Unspectacular most of the time, does his job, but shows up big in big games. (He picked off Luck twice in the playoff game).


How about that Justin Houston?

2 sacks and a FF.

[ThaVirus]

I'd honestly consider trading Berry. I know you'd get flamed for that idea, but you could clear that 19 million, use to extend Houston and keep Hali who clearly still has a shitload in the tank and might be a mistake wanting to cut him at the end of the season. This defense is literally carried by the Houston and Hali. I get cutting a guy like Flowers but I don't know how you just cut Hali for free on the open market and give your competition a chance to sign him anywhere in the AFC. He has a lot of value, on this team or as a trade piece. It's hard to argue you need that cap space for anything else that would be an upgrade, because there isn't going to be anything else out there next year to use it on.


I'd look into it as well.

Every option needs to be explored.

[The Bad Guy]

Abdullah is a steal for what they pay him. He's fantastic in this role and when Berry gets back, this secondary will be really improved.

Parker has flourished as well.

Biggest improvement has come from Sutton though. He's calling great, great games.

[OldSchool]

How about that Justin Houston?

2 sacks and a FF.

Both Hali and Houston had good games. They did well to take advantage of the Pats' struggling OTs.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I'm a Christian and I'd be super upset if someone or a business disciplined me for praying. Shame on the NFL and its officials for throwing the flag on Abdullah and his choice of expression. It's sad.

[mcaj22]

Abdullah is a steal for what they pay him. He's fantastic in this role and when Berry gets back, this secondary will be really improved.

Parker has flourished as well.

Biggest improvement has come from Sutton though. He's calling great, great games.

it's amazing what happens when you let a guy (Parker) play his natural position and not try to get fancy with some sort of project/development at another position.

[ThaVirus]

it's amazing what happens when you let a guy (Parker) play his natural position and not try to get fancy with some sort of project/development at another position.


Parker definitely isn't nearly as physical as Berry. I'd be interested in seeing how we fare against the run when we play San Fran and Seattle.

I'm guessing Berry will be back by next week though?

[OldSchool]

Parker definitely isn't nearly as physical as Berry. I'd be interested in seeing how we fare against the run when we play San Fran and Seattle.

I'm guessing Berry will be back by next week though?

I pray to God that he is. We're going to need him against Gore in the run game.

[mcaj22]

Parker definitely isn't nearly as physical as Berry. I'd be interested in seeing how we fare against the run when we play San Fran and Seattle.

I'm guessing Berry will be back by next week though?

But he's got some range speed and that's something Demps, Lewis, Scrub, Scrub, and scrub... has never had back there that we had to trot out the last ____ years.

[RealSNR]

I was banging the Abdullah drum all offseason.

[splatbass]

He was bowing towards Mecca.

So? How is that any different than Tebow doing his thing?

[RealSNR]

So? How is that any different than Tebow doing his thing?

It's not. The NFL owes him an apology.

[Imon Yourside]

A friend of mine says this is a new rule, not allowed to go to your knees to celebrate.

[OldSchool]

I was banging the Abdullah drum all offseason.

Same here. Remember having arguments about him with htismage, who thought that Abdullah was a scrub.

[HoneyBadger]

A friend of mine says this is a new rule, not allowed to go to your knees to celebrate.

Tell that to your mom :D

[Baby Lee]

his flag in the endzone was BS. Lots of christian players pray in the endzone.

That will be all over CNN tomorrow and will be the most talked about social event of the week. :)

Deadspin is already fanning the flames.

http://deadspin.com/chiefs-safety-husain-abdullah-flagged-for-prostrating-a-1640628615/all

I swear to God, half of social media has taken our 'business model' of the DC forum 'cesspool' and turned into clickbait.

[Baby Lee]

The NFL should apologize for the penalty and make it known that he shouldn't have been penalized.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>you're not penalized for going to the ground to give praise after a TD</p>&mdash; Mike Pereira (@MikePereira) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikePereira/status/404767176634028033">November 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Referees' twitter says he was flagged for the epic soccer slide before the prostration for prayer.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I think he's a Muslem, like Obama. We should trade him now while his value is high

[Mr. Laz]

I thought they made a rule about not going to the ground in celebration a couple of years ago. I think there is an exception of 1 knee prayer situation. Abdullah slid on both knees and then touched his forehead.

I imagine now the league will add the 2 knee exception, if in prayer, to the rule as well.

[Baby Lee]

So? How is that any different than Tebow doing his thing?

It's not. The NFL owes him an apology.

Tebow 'did his thing' before the rule against celebrations after going to ground, so it IS different. Refs have to figure out if sincere prayerful motions after going to ground are going to get swept up into this new rule.

[L.A. Chieffan]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--89PJV0SG--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wdhpptddnsfyivccdkdg.gif

Trying to take our freedoms...

[Baby Lee]

I thought they made a rule about not going to the ground in celebration a couple of years ago. I think there is an exception of 1 knee prayer situation. Abdullah slid on both knees and then touched his forehead.

I imagine now the league will add the 2 knee exception, if in prayer, to the rule as well.

Regardless, I don't think the league is going to allow this as your solemn prayerful introit

http://www.dongqiudi.com/uploads6/allimg/140401/2042540.jpg

[Baby Lee]

I'd honestly consider trading Berry. I know you'd get flamed for that idea, but you could clear that 19 million, use to extend Houston and keep Hali who clearly still has a shitload in the tank and might be a mistake wanting to cut him at the end of the season. This defense is literally carried by the Houston and Hali. I get cutting a guy like Flowers but I don't know how you just cut Hali for free on the open market and give your competition a chance to sign him anywhere in the AFC. He has a lot of value, on this team or as a trade piece. It's hard to argue you need that cap space for anything else that would be an upgrade, because there isn't going to be anything else out there next year to use it on.

This. The blase everyone has treated the Dee Hali situation was befuddled me. Eh, he's a little older, drop his ass before he craters. WTF? This isn't a Larry Johnson situation here. Forget tankful, dude's a camel, or dromedary, whichever has more water storage.

[Mr. Laz]

Regardless, I don't think the league is going to allow this as your solemn prayerful introit

http://www.dongqiudi.com/uploads6/allimg/140401/2042540.jpg


yea but watch the gif, he didn't celebrate during the slide or whatever.

he just slid and then prayed


lame penalty

[jonzie04]

It was pretty obvious at the end of last season he was a solid player and sold be a massive upgrade from that one guy whos name shall not be mentioned. But heck yeah, nice job Abdullah! The whole secondary is playing miles better than last season. The scrap heap guys have done well.

[Hammock Parties]

Abdullah has a pick six in both of our record-setting crowd noise games.

He's a holy man.

[Baby Lee]

yea but watch the gif, he didn't celebrate during the slide or whatever.

he just slid and then prayed


lame penalty

Are we really gonna hash this to death?

I didn't say he celebrated, just clarified what they're calling. This isn't some oppression of Muslims, or a double standard, or further proof of what bigots sports players and fans are.

Lame penalty, sure, I'll give you that.

I know it's a highly subjective proposal, but I think there should be some sort of sincere jubilation leeway in the rules. Get rid of choreographed dance routines, or sharpies and HoF jackets and popcorn and pom pons, etc. But I totally understand a moment of 'fuck YES!!' or 'THANK GAWD!!' spilling out, especially for guys who don't make the EZ as regularly as RBs and WRs.

[OldSchool]

Sean Smith has also been consistently good this year.

[Baby Lee]

https://soundcloud.com/610sports/husain-abdullah-postgame-0929

[chiefzilla1501]

Are we really gonna hash this to death?

I didn't say he celebrated, just clarified what they're calling. This isn't some oppression of Muslims, or a double standard, or further proof of what bigots sports players and fans are.

Lame penalty, sure, I'll give you that.

I know it's a highly subjective proposal, but I think there should be some sort of sincere jubilation leeway in the rules. Get rid of choreographed dance routines, or sharpies and HoF jackets and popcorn and pom pons, etc. But I totally understand a moment of '**** YES!!' or 'THANK GAWD!!' spilling out, especially for guys who don't make the EZ as regularly as RBs and WRs.

This is why Goodell can go fuck himself. He's created so much subjectivity over shit that doesn't really matter. I don't know a single person who thinks the integrity of the game was lost because a player slides into the end zone. Because he created such hard rules to define touchdown celebrations, shit like this happens. Get rid of the shit entirely.

[Lonewolf Ed]

im pretty sure Abdullah said he wasnt fined for praying, but for the slide.

I also heard that the penalty was due to his sliding. So, he was penalized not for praying, but for celebrating in futbol manner. This is the NFL, not soccer! Still, it's rather silly for sliding to be a penalty.

[chiefzilla1501]

I also heard that the penalty was due to his sliding. So, he was penalized not for praying, but for celebrating in futbol manner. This is the NFL, not soccer! Still, it's rather silly for sliding to be a penalty.

I think Abdullah is just trying to be nice. Read this on deadspin:
"players are prohibited from engaging in any celebrations while on the ground."

What the refs did wasn't wrong. They have to interpret a stupid rule that shouldn't even be in existence.

[Lonewolf Ed]

I think Abdullah is just trying to be nice. Read this on deadspin:
"players are prohibited from engaging in any celebrations while on the ground."

What the refs did wasn't wrong. They have to interpret a stupid rule that shouldn't even be in existence.

I agree that the rule is stupid. What if Charles had celebrated when he got the 3rd TD and was on the ground as he entered the endzone? He had a leg cramp so we never found out if he would have gotten up first or not, but since he does that brushing off dust or whatever it is, he probably would have gotten up first. Who cares if it is on the ground or standing up, aside from that tool Goodell?

[chiefzilla1501]

It's okay. Roger Goodell will fine Abdullah and then claim that he never saw the footage. Then he'll visit a muslim mosque and claim that he fixed everything. He will then hand out 2 game suspensions for players who don't acknowledge the muslim faith in their TD celebrations. It's cool. Goodell's got this.

[chiefzilla1501]

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/photos/2013/10/10/838ab032-30fb-4ffa-a1dc-59700f3a3ac6news.ap.org_r620x349.jpg?75d51d0aea2efce5189afce216053cbc530c46a8
Not a flag

http://ladiesdotdotdot.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/collins.jpg
Not a flag

http://pictures.replayphotos.com/images/CHIEF/smd/kansas-city-chiefs-photo-store-setup-automatically-imported--chief-pss-auto-00035smd.jpg
This is a flag

[Baby Lee]

Not a flag

I'll take 'what are two instances of sliding prior to the rule change' for $500 Alex.

[chiefzilla1501]

I'll take 'what are two instances of sliding prior to the rule change' for $500 Alex.

Unless I'm mistaken (and prove me wrong... just not finding anything) this has nothing to do with the slide. Everything I've read says that touchdown celebrations will be flagged if the player goes to the ground. I don't see anything about sliding.

Brandon Marshall's TD celebration above was after the 2013 rule change. It was pretty much a "praise Jesus" type celebration. It didn't get flagged.

[Skyy God]

Deadspin is already fanning the flames.

http://deadspin.com/chiefs-safety-husain-abdullah-flagged-for-prostrating-a-1640628615/all

I swear to God, half of social media has taken our 'business model' of the DC forum 'cesspool' and turned into clickbait.

How dare Deadspin point out potential religious hypocrisy. The nerve.

[Skyy God]

I'll take 'what are two instances of sliding prior to the rule change' for $500 Alex.

I'll take "person oblivious to facts they dislike" for $1000.

[Baby Lee]

How dare Deadspin point out potential religious hypocrisy. The nerve.

Yeah, that's what this was. A ref with a burr up his ass over Mooslems.

Their target audience is those among us whose overriding thought is 'Football, that's like Fox News, or country music or something, right?'

[chiefzilla1501]

Yeah, that's what this was. A ref with a burr up his ass over Mooslems.

Their target audience is those among us whose overriding thought is 'Football, that's like Fox News, or country music or something, right?'

The refs are just enforcing Goodell's moronic set of rules. I don't blame them for that.

But the NFL needs to deal with this really delicately. Goodell needs to apologize and say that the flag was thrown in error. It was the wrong call since the NFL has allowed celebrations of religious expression. It looks terrible on the league if they claim that's only allowed for one religion.

But they won't because Goodell will never admit he's wrong and he'll have to renege on his dumb idea that enforcing touchdown celebrations is a critical NFL initiative. So he'll make up some hocus pocus about sliding.

[chiefzilla1501]

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I just dream of a day when we can go back to celebrating touchdowns this way.

[Skyy God]

Yeah, that's what this was. A ref with a burr up his ass over Mooslems.

Their target audience is those among us whose overriding thought is 'Football, that's like Fox News, or country music or something, right?'

Only the imaginary PC leftists in your head are arguing as much.

[chiefzilla1501]

Only the imaginary PC leftists in your head are arguing as much.

There's really no basis for argument. The flag shouldn't have been thrown. Period.


NFL allows for religious expression in celebration
No set rule that I know of specific to sliding
NFL players on their knees in celebration with a religious expression type theme have not been flagged, even after the rule changes


Case closed.

It shouldn't be a religion issue. But it will be if the NFL doesn't say something about it.

[EyePod]

I'd honestly consider trading Berry. I know you'd get flamed for that idea, but you could clear that 19 million, use to extend Houston and keep Hali who clearly still has a shitload in the tank and might be a mistake wanting to cut him at the end of the season. This defense is literally carried by the Houston and Hali. I get cutting a guy like Flowers but I don't know how you just cut Hali for free on the open market and give your competition a chance to sign him anywhere in the AFC. He has a lot of value, on this team or as a trade piece. It's hard to argue you need that cap space for anything else that would be an upgrade, because there isn't going to be anything else out there next year to use it on.

Noo!!! The only jersey I own is Berry's!!!

[Skyy God]

There's really no basis for argument. The flag shouldn't have been thrown. Period.


NFL allows for religious expression in celebration
No set rule that I know of specific to sliding
NFL players on their knees in celebration with a religious expression type theme have not been flagged, even after the rule changes


Case closed.

It shouldn't be a religion issue. But it will be if the NFL doesn't say something about it.

I'm just here to take potshots at BL's obtuseness.


Under those facts, yes. But there may be some rule not listed above that applies/supersedes.

I'm just here to take potshots at BL's "inexplicable" obtuseness.

[ChiliConCarnage]

No set rule that I know of specific to sliding


(d) Individual players involved in prolonged or excessive celebrations. Players are prohibited from
engaging in any celebrations while on the ground. A celebration shall be deemed excessive or
prolonged if a player continues to celebrate after a warning from an official.

I wish we could have reasonable celebrations back but idiots had to take it too far with all the props and shit.

[chiefzilla1501]

Under those facts, yes. But there may be some rule not listed above that applies/supersedes.

I'm just here to take potshots at BL's "inexplicable" obtuseness.

Sorry, that wasn't in response to you. I've agreed with most of what you've said in this thread.

[Baby Lee]

Only the imaginary PC leftists in your head are arguing as much.

OK then, lay out your vision of 'potential religious hypocrisy.'

[chiefzilla1501]

I wish we could have reasonable celebrations back but idiots had to take it too far with all the props and shit.

I would rather have idiotic celebrations than NFL referees having to enforce a 15 yard penalty on the grounds of insanely subjective grounds. When you do that, dumb shit like this is bound to happen. I don't know a single person that complained that the first series of touchdown celebration bans (e.g. using props) was bad. I can understand the rationale behind banning goal post dunks. Why did they feel the need to do the second round of touchdown celebration bans in 2013? Just like the personal conduct policy, Goodell seems to have an obsession with inconsistent enforcement of rules that nobody cared about in the first place.

[Chiefnj2]

All of a sudden the midwest sticks up for the rights of Muslim prayer. Abdullah is the modern day MLK.

[Imon Yourside]

I wish we could have reasonable celebrations back but idiots had to take it too far with all the props and shit.

Ahhhh, there we have it.

[blaise]

Only the imaginary PC leftists in your head are arguing as much.

Well, and you.

[stonedstooge]

Probably flagged him for not knowing his directions

[WhawhaWhat]

Hitting the big time now.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>A Muslim player in the NFL gets 'prayer penalty' after scoring a touchdown <a href="http://t.co/n6bo8e8FPw">http://t.co/n6bo8e8FPw</a> <a href="http://t.co/gfPW0UbyVS">pic.twitter.com/gfPW0UbyVS</a></p>&mdash; BBC World Service (@bbcworldservice) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbcworldservice/status/516929821226860545">September 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[WilliamTheIrish]

All of a sudden the midwest sticks up for the rights of Muslim prayer. Abdullah is the modern day MLK.

LMAO

[DrunkBassGuitar]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--89PJV0SG--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wdhpptddnsfyivccdkdg.gif

Trying to take our freedoms...

Ref must be a patriots fan if THAT is unsportsmanlike

[Hammock Parties]

All of a sudden the midwest sticks up for the rights of Muslim prayer. Abdullah is the modern day MLK.

This Muslim declared Jihad on the Patriots though.

DERKA DERKA!

[Hammock Parties]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!</p>&mdash; Hamza Abdullah (@HamzaAbdullah21) <a href="https://twitter.com/HamzaAbdullah21/status/516783549647552512">September 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Reerun_KC]

All of a sudden the midwest sticks up for the rights of Muslim prayer. Abdullah is the modern day MLK.LMAO

[Reerun_KC]

Ref must be a patriots fan if THAT is unsportsmanlike
Not sure what freedom they are trying to take away?

Can you please explain?

[TLO]

Why is going to your knees a penalty anyway? That's just dumb.

Don't allow the players to use any props if that makes you so butt hurt.

Everything else should be fair game.

[J Diddy]

LOL

Reid on Abdullah's slide from kcchiefs. com

(Husain) Abdullah, we know his religion, was his penalty for praying?
“When you go to Mecca you should have the privilege to slide anywhere you want to slide. We have two priests in here I think they will vouch for me.”

[WilliamTheIrish]

LMAO

[Steron]

So it's perfectly fine for Santos to point to the sky after kicking a field goal, but it's not ok for Abdullah to do his form of religious homage.

The NFL can go fuck themselves.

It was the SLIDE before the prayer. Not the prayer itself.

[Sannyasi]

NFL now saying that it should not have been a penalty.

[Easy 6]

It was the SLIDE before the prayer. Not the prayer itself.

Then its still ridiculous.

[Aries Walker]

NFL now saying that it should not have been a penalty.
Indeed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000403323/article/nfl-husain-abdullah-should-not-have-been-penalized

[Sannyasi]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Abdullah should not have been penalized. Officiating mechanic is not to flag player who goes to ground for religious reasons.</p>&mdash; Michael Signora (@NFLfootballinfo) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLfootballinfo/status/516942894318383104">September 30, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Steron]

Then its still ridiculous.

I don't disagree. TD celebrations make the game fun for the players and the fans. I don't see the harm in it at all.

[Sassy Squatch]

I don't disagree. TD celebrations make the game fun for the players and the fans. I don't see the harm in it at all.
Should just change it to malicious celebrations get penalized.

[chiefzilla1501]

It was the SLIDE before the prayer. Not the prayer itself.
Where does it say anywhere that there's a ruling on sliding celebrations? My understanding is that the contention is with going to the ground to celebrate. Huge difference and in the latter case, it makes this penalty completely wrong

[Chiefnj2]

Where does it say anywhere that there's a ruling on sliding celebrations? My understanding is that the contention is with going to the ground to celebrate. Huge difference and in the latter case, it makes this penalty completely wrong

Sliding on both knees isn't going to the ground?

The ref announced it was for sliding.

Under the new NFL policy, if there is a videotape the NFL will apologize and appoint a commission to investigate. I hear that Tim Tebow will be the new Prayer Czar.

[BigRedChief]

NFL announcement this am.

Should have not been flagged. Going to the ground on celebrations are flagged. except for religious prayer.

[chiefzilla1501]

Not sure what freedom they are trying to take away?

Can you please explain?
It's not about freedoms. It's about the NFL making a clear statement that religious expression is allowed then deciding in this case it wasn't.

Thankfully, the NFL got it right. But again, if the NFL didn't have stupidly strict rules on touchdown celebrations this wouldn't have happened in the first place. When you have rules with such subjective enforcement, this shit happens.

[Molitoth]

You guys want to see just HOW FUCKING STUPID Americans are?

Go read through the comments on this article:
https://www.facebook.com/NFLonESPN/posts/689801287784908#


People are saying that Muslims shouldn't be in the US, allowed to play football, and that we are lucky that he didn't celebrate his touchdown by blowing up the stadium.

We are born and raised into the brainwashing of Christianity and American patriotism that stomps all over everyone else in the world and it is fucking sickening.

[Reerun_KC]

You guys want to see just HOW ****ING STUPID Americans are?

Go read through the comments on this article:
https://www.facebook.com/NFLonESPN/posts/689801287784908#


People are saying that Muslims shouldn't be in the US, allowed to play football, and that we are lucky that he didn't celebrate his touchdown by blowing up the stadium.

We are born and raised into the brainwashing of Christianity and American patriotism that stomps all over everyone else in the world and it is ****ing sickening.

You should keep your head when it comes to this discussion...

[Mr. Laz]

It's okay. Roger Goodell will fine Abdullah and then claim that he never saw the footage. Then he'll visit a muslim mosque and claim that he fixed everything. He will then hand out 2 game suspensions for players who don't acknowledge the muslim faith in their TD celebrations. It's cool. Goodell's got this.

crybaby

[Molitoth]

You should keep your head when it comes to this discussion...

I know Reerun, I know.... but this kind of stupidity just irks me.

We are all born where we are born. By dumb luck, our souls have entered into a vessel somewhere in the world. Anyone born in America instead of some random village in Africa, or some shithole Krokadil infested town in Russia should just consider themselves very fortunate and be a little more appreciative.

But instead, this country breeds and brainwashes people to be 'merica **** yeah! redneck wannabe patriots that don't give a shit about anyone else.

[Reerun_KC]

I know Reerun, I know.... but this kind of stupidity just irks me.

We are all born where we are born. By dumb luck, our souls have entered into a vessel somewhere in the world. Anyone born in America instead of some random village in Africa, or some shithole Krokadil infested town in Russia should just consider themselves very fortunate and be a little more appreciative.

But instead, this country breeds and brainwashes people to be 'merica **** yeah! redneck wannabe patriots that don't give a shit about anyone else.

Well you could live in a country where you would lose your life if you didn't convert to Islam and support terrorism.

Grass is not always greener....

[Mr. Laz]

The best play he's made thus far was last night. He followed the QB's eyes and broke on the ball for the interception.

we haven't had that in awhile

Wasn't Abdullah playing at SS last night?

Should be go ahead and make the move and leave him there and move Berry to FS?

[chiefzilla1501]

Sliding on both knees isn't going to the ground?

The ref announced it was for sliding.

Under the new NFL policy, if there is a videotape the NFL will apologize and appoint a commission to investigate. I hear that Tim Tebow will be the new Prayer Czar.
It's a huge difference.

The ref can claim that the act of sliding was penalizable but that the bowing was not. But he can't do that here because it doesn't matter if he slid or not. All that matters is he went to the ground, and the reason for going to the ground was for religious reasons. The NFL firmly stated that you are allowed to go to the ground if it is for religious reasons.

[Mr. Laz]

It's a huge difference.

The ref can claim that the act of sliding was penalizable but that the bowing was not. But he can't do that here because it doesn't matter if he slid or not. All that matters is he went to the ground, and the reason for going to the ground was for religious reasons. The NFL firmly stated that you are allowed to go to the ground if it is for religious reasons.
So a player can crawl around on the ground for 5 minutes and celebrate anyway he wants as long as he ends it with a prayer?


break out the religious sharpie!!!

[Molitoth]

Well you could live in a country where you would lose your life if you didn't convert to Islam and support terrorism.

Grass is not always greener....

I understand that side too.

This is a Human Race issue, not only an American standpoint issue.

As an American though, it would be nice to see my fellow neighbors not be such idiots.

[Skyy God]

You guys want to see just HOW ****ING STUPID Americans are?

Go read through the comments on this article:
https://www.facebook.com/NFLonESPN/posts/689801287784908#


People are saying that Muslims shouldn't be in the US, allowed to play football, and that we are lucky that he didn't celebrate his touchdown by blowing up the stadium.

We are born and raised into the brainwashing of Christianity and American patriotism that stomps all over everyone else in the world and it is ****ing sickening.

Sounds like someone's not a true 'Merican.....

[chiefzilla1501]

So a player can crawl around on the ground for 5 minutes and celebrate anyway he wants as long as he ends it with a prayer?


break out the religious sharpie!!!
This is why I fucking hate Goodell for even making this an issue. There is so much subjectivity to these calls. All I care about us fair enforcement of the rules. What matters most is that the ref made the wrong call and it costed them 15 yards.

[Aries Walker]

Refs are human, and they make mistakes, and the NFL acknowledged that, and it didn't change the rather beautiful outcome of the game. I'd say the system worked this time, and we can move on.

[Mr. Laz]

This is why I fucking hate Goodell for even making this an issue. There is so much subjectivity to these calls. All I care about us fair enforcement of the rules. What matters most is that the ref made the wrong call and it costed them 15 yards.

Do you really think that if Goodell wasn't the Comish these celebration rules wouldn't have happened?

[chiefzilla1501]

Do you really think that if Goodell wasn't the Comish these celebration rules wouldn't have happened?
Given his love for chasing after shiny objects with no plan in place? Absolutely. I'm sure celebration rules and personal conduct rules would have been put in place. But a good commissioner wouldn't have turned these two things into the circus they are today. If we are talking about non football calls, it is critical that the rules be the same for everyone. When you add subjectivity, you start to give competitive advantage to teams that benefit from certain calls.

[Chiefnj2]

Given his love for chasing after shiny objects with no plan in place? Absolutely. I'm sure celebration rules and personal conduct rules would have been put in place. But a good commissioner wouldn't have turned these two things into the circus they are today. If we are talking about non football calls, it is critical that the rules be the same for everyone. When you add subjectivity, you start to give competitive advantage to teams that benefit from certain calls.

There isn't much subjectivity - stay on your feet, don't use objects and wind it down when the refs give you a warning.

[chiefzilla1501]

There isn't much subjectivity - stay on your feet, don't use objects and wind it down when the refs give you a warning.
You can spin a ball but not direct it at an opponent. You can shout in celebration but if it's directed at an opponent, it's taunting. You can't go to the ground, but you can if the ref interprets what you did as religious expression which now, as laz points out, opens the door for using props and doing something ridiculous but making the sign of a cross as if that were religious expression. You can salute but if you do it near an opponent, it can be viewed as unsportsmanlike conduct. Need I go on? In many of these cases, the ref has to determine if the player intended the celebration for something.

The worst part is, this has nothing to do with football. I would rather allow taunting than have teams wrongly penalized because the ref made an incorrect interpretation.

[Pitt Gorilla]

NFL now saying that it should not have been a penalty.

Of course it shouldn't have been a penalty. I can't believe anyone here is defending the call.

[Bufkin]

I love when Abdullah shares his Islam, everybody immediately defends him and blames the NFL. Yet when Obama shares his Islam, everybody freaks out and says he's in cahoots with the terrorists.

[Molitoth]

Of course it shouldn't have been a penalty. I can't believe anyone here is defending the call.

I don't see many on CP defending the call, but there is a cesspool on Facebook that is, as well as damning Abdullah out of the country for being Muslim.

[kcpasco]

I don't see many on CP defending the call, but there is a cesspool on Facebook that is, as well as damning Abdullah out of the country for being Muslim.

This world is full of assholes and idiots. It's not just an American thing.

[HonestChieffan]

I love when Abdullah shares his Islam, everybody immediately defends him and blames the NFL. Yet when Obama shares his Islam, everybody freaks out and says he's in cahoots with the terrorists.
And when Tebow did it they wanted the league to ban prayer. And when High Schools pray before a game, coaches get fired.....

[DrunkBassGuitar]

Not sure what freedom they are trying to take away?

Can you please explain?

I'm confused, I didn't say anything about taking freedoms away. the call was unsportsmanlike conduct, right? the dude just had probably the best game of his life and all he did was slide and then pray, which is a very very reserved celebration. I was making a joke about the ref being a butthurt pats fan for calling that shit.

[Omaha]

He slid to his knees which is usually an automatic penalty unless it's for religious expression. My guess is that the official didn't realize that his kissing the ground was a religious expression & he threw the flag. The NFL came out and said there shouldn't have been a flag. I think people are trying to create a story where there is none. Why are people still talking about this?

[Mav]

Great find. Looked like a young ed reed last night. I said in the chat he is the best chiefs db right now

[chiefzilla1501]

He slid to his knees which is usually an automatic penalty unless it's for religious expression. My guess is that the official didn't realize that his kissing the ground was a religious expression & he threw the flag. The NFL came out and said there shouldn't have been a flag. I think people are trying to create a story where there is none. Why are people still talking about this?
Because it appoints to goodells rules and the stupid shit that happens when you create unnecessary rules with a huge degree of subjectivity. And for what? For a behavior that doesn't even give the team a competitive advantage. I've never heard anyone in the history of anything say that a td celebration on the ground put the opposing team at a disadvantage.

And when refs misinterpret rules, they put one team at a disadvantage.

What if this was a close game? What if new England with the penalty returned the kick into the end zone?

It's a stupid ass rule. Get rid of it.

[OldSchool]

Honest thoughts about Abdullah:

Adequate when playing deep 3rds. He is very disciplined in where he lines up, where he drops, reading the plays, etc.

However, he is at his best when defending against underneath stuff, playing more in the box like Eric Berry does.

[Omaha]

Because it appoints to goodells rules and the stupid shit that happens when you create unnecessary rules with a huge degree of subjectivity. And for what? For a behavior that doesn't even give the team a competitive advantage. I've never heard anyone in the history of anything say that a td celebration on the ground put the opposing team at a disadvantage.

And when refs misinterpret rules, they put one team at a disadvantage.

What if this was a close game? What if new England with the penalty returned the kick into the end zone?

It's a stupid ass rule. Get rid of it.
I agree with this 100%. It's a stupid rule. My point was about the silly notion that this makes the NFL anti-muslim.

[Coach]

Abdullah is a baller. He put some serious wood out there last night.

[Ming the Merciless]

Respect

[J Diddy]

I love when Abdullah shares his Islam, everybody immediately defends him and blames the NFL. Yet when Obama shares his Islam, everybody freaks out and says he's in cahoots with the terrorists.

Keep your dc in dc.

##Edited to remove my dc comments.##

[chiefzilla1501]

I agree with this 100%. It's a stupid rule. My point was about the silly notion that this makes the NFL anti-muslim.
Definitely don't think that. Shouldn't be the referees job to subjectively decide what's religious expression and what's not. All the more reason to get rid of this garbage rule. I feel bad that the ref in this case is scrutinized like this. I can't blame him if he didn't realize this was a religious expression in this case.

[Bufkin]

Keep your dc in dc.

##Edited to remove my dc comments.##
I'd rather listen to a Joe Buck audiobook than hang out around that cesspool.

[Simply Red]

I'd rather listen to a Joe Buck audiobook than hang out around that cesspool.

just watch a game he does - he NEVER shuts his gosh damned mouth. I'd love to kick Joe Buck's ass all over the set, bud.

[Baby Lee]

I don't see many on CP defending the call, but there is a cesspool on Facebook that is, as well as damning Abdullah out of the country for being Muslim.

There's just as big cesspools damning sports and sports fans for every non-PC atrocity they can fever dream.

Like I said at the start of the thread. CP DC may be our 'cesspool' but the rest of America is looking more and more like it online every day. Only out there, the clickbait providers are making billions off our shitty DC business model.

[jonzie04]

I know this thread has long been about the celebration penalty. But I thought id mention that according to pro football focus Abdullah turned in the 11th best game from any safety since 2007. Tied with Eric berrys best game (according to them) against the raiders in 2012. I don't put too much stock into them though as they come up with some off the wall shit at times.. but 5 defensive stops and a pick 6 is a pretty incredible game.