The Chiefs defense so far...

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> are 1st in Pass Defense at 195yds average per game.</p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/527108823106846720">October 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> Defense is: 3rd in Total Defense, 2nd Best in Points Allowed (128pts), 4th in Sacks at 24</p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/527109196383129600">October 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> Defense has NOT allowed 300 against them: Locker 266, Manning 242, Tannehill 205, Brady 159, Kaepernick 201 Rivers 205, Davis 160</p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/527109798433521665">October 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[jd1020]

Missing 2 of their best players...

[Marcellus]

Long ways to go but fairly incredible all things considered.

[Direckshun]

Missing 2 of their best players...

Pretty fucking incredible.

That's what passrushing do.

[Trivers]

Where are the CPers that wanted Sutton fired?

Crow is yummy with Gates hot BBQ sauce.

[The Franchise]

The only thing really missing is the turnovers.

[Titty Meat]

Where are the CPers that wanted Sutton fired?

Crow is yummy with Gates hot BBQ sauce.

All of Kansas City wanted Sutton fired but hindsight says the defense sucked because Houston/Hali were injured and Andrew Luck makes a comeback against everyone.

[jd1020]

Where are the CPers that wanted Sutton fired?

Crow is yummy with Gates hot BBQ sauce.

I don't think all the credit deserves to go to them for those numbers.

The offense has been pretty good about picking up just enough yards for a first down and leading 10 minute drives for 3 points.

[Fritz88]

I want to see that at the end of the season. Good nonetheless.
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[Marcellus]

The only thing really missing is the turnovers.

If the law of averages plays out, we should get plenty in the second half of the season.

[Titty Meat]

Hard to create turnovers when your on the sideline for half the game.

I'll say this though I think these stats are misleading. We're so good against the pass because teams have had success running on us. Besides Sean Smith we don't have a legit #2 CB that could also be why we don't create a lot of turnovers.

[The Franchise]

Hard to create turnovers when your on the sideline for half the game.

I'll say this though I think these stats are misleading. We're so good against the pass because teams have had success running on us. Besides Sean Smith we don't have a legit #2 CB that could also be why we don't create a lot of turnovers.

Kansas City is 18th in rush defense with 112 yards per game allowed. Still the only team to not allow a rushing TD.

[Mav]

I don't think all the credit deserves to go to them for those numbers.

The offense has been pretty good about picking up just enough yards for a first down and leading 10 minute drives for 3 points.
Holy shit......this post is outstanding

[The Franchise]

I don't think all the credit deserves to go to them for those numbers.

The offense has been pretty good about picking up just enough yards for a first down and leading 10 minute drives for 3 points.

I agree. This defense hasn't been left out on the field to wear down like in years past.

[Titty Meat]

Kansas City is 18th in rush defense with 112 yards per game allowed. Still the only team to not allow a rushing TD.

That's a surprising stat. I seem to remember the Titans doing ok running it, Miami, and San Fransico both had alot of success. The Rams for a few drives as well.

[Sandy Vagina]

Holy shit......this post is outstanding

lol, shocking, eh?

[Direckshun]

Poe only played 70% of the snaps against the Rams.

Sutton is running this defense like a champ.

[Mav]

lol, shocking, eh?
A little bit. I like how he threw the jab about 3 points. I didn't make a fuss about it because 3 points are way better than a punt.

[Easy 6]

Considering all of the injuries thats almost unbelieveable, and we've also faced Manning, Brady and Rivers.

All Hail King Bob.

[Sandy Vagina]

yeah, KC appears to be 6th best in TOP...
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot

[The Iron Chief]

So odd and yet so nice not to expect the Big play allowed Defense to rear its head every game.

Yeah if we were even close to last yrs turnovers we would be #1.

I'll be extremely pissed off if our defense trails off last half of the yr.
Especially with many of the tougher opponents behind us.

[MagicHef]

Just like last season at this time, the Chiefs are doing well in pass defense (5th in NYPA), but not so well in run defense (27th in YPC).

We'll see how it turns out this year.

[TLO]

I still miss DJ. :(

[Mav]

So odd and yet so nice not to expect the Big play allowed Defense to rear its head every game.

Yeah if we were even close to last yrs turnovers we would be #1.

I'll be extremely pissed off if our defense trails off last half of the yr.
Especially with many of the tougher opponents behind us.
I don't see that happening. The offense is only going to get better meaning the defense will be on the field less and with leading games in the second half leads to more pass rush which is easily this teams strength.

[Sandy Vagina]

Just like last season at this time, the Chiefs are doing well in pass defense (5th in NYPA), but not so well in run defense (27th in YPC).

We'll see how it turns out this year.

Mauga seems to be improving in run D... can't say the same for JMM, who seems undersized and has to take guesses (i.e. overpursue/run around blocks).

[mcaj22]

lol out of all those QBs that turd Jake Locker has passed the most on the Chiefs

hats off to them for getting it right but man Locker stinks, they should have had their way with that crappy team

[lcarus]

I still miss DJ. :(

I miss her too. Sassy black lady.

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[Mav]

Just like last season at this time, the Chiefs are doing well in pass defense (5th in NYPA), but not so well in run defense (27th in YPC).

We'll see how it turns out this year.
Barring hali, and houston getting hurt in the same game again, I don't see that happening.

[Sandy Vagina]

Shouldn't Mays be practicing and playing soon?

[BigMeatballDave]

Just like last season at this time, the Chiefs are doing well in pass defense (5th in NYPA), but not so well in run defense (27th in YPC).

We'll see how it turns out this year.

The difference this year, dumbshit, is the QBs they have faced.

[Easy 6]

The difference this year, dumbshit, is the QBs they have faced.

He just loves to swing by and take a dump in stat threads.

Oh well, atleast we dont have to hear about Von Miller being #1 in sacks...

[Chief_For_Life58]

Its against backup qbs tho so it doesn't count

[RINGLEADER]

Also 3rd in 3rd down conversion percentage. And actually I think we're first in sacks per game (one ahead of Denver).

[Mr. Laz]

we've done this before.

Let's see if we can adapt in the 2nd half of the season and continue to play well.

[Easy 6]

we've done this before.

Let's see if we can adapt in the 2nd half of the season and continue to play well.

This is much different, no cupcake schedule or backup QB to point fingers at this year.

[Mr. Laz]

This is much different, no cupcake schedule or backup QB to point fingers at this year.
fair enough

Our defense has been surprisingly good with it's new bend, don't break defense. Teams will still adapt and last year when they did we collapsed.

Kudos to Sutton so far.

[Iconic]

I still miss DJ. :(

So does our run defense.

[ARROW2]

fair enough

Our defense has been surprisingly good with it's new bend, don't break defense. Teams will still adapt and last year when they did we collapsed.

Kudos to Sutton so far.



It's not bend but don't break ala Romeo, this team is getting off the field on 3rd down, HUGE difference. Romeo's style wears the D down....throw in horrible Qbing and multiple 3 and outs.....well you saw the results...

[ModSocks]

So does our run defense.

Berry will help a bit...but yeah, i miss DJ. One of my all time favorites and i hope we get to watch him play another season.

[Hootie]

Sutton was good for the first 7 weeks last year, too. Let's see him keep it up. Solid work, thus far

[TEX]

Sutton was good for the first 7 weeks last year, too. Let's see him keep it up. Solid work, thus far

Agreed, but I think that was more do the the QB's the Chiefs had faced at the time. This year they have faced some pretty tough competition early and they're playing well.

[ModSocks]

Agreed, but I think that was more do the the QB's the Chiefs had faced at the time. This year they have faced some pretty tough competition early and they're playing well.

Kendrick Lewis.

[BigMeatballDave]

Sutton was good for the first 7 weeks last year, too.:facepalm:

[beer bacon]

I don't pay as close attention as I used to, but I thought our defense dropped off a cliff last season when Hali and Houston got banged up, and our pass rush evaporated. Was there a lot more to it than that?

[lcarus]

I don't pay as close attention as I used to, but I thought our defense dropped off a cliff last season when Hali and Houston got banged up, and our pass rush evaporated. Was there a lot more to it than that?

That and Kendrick Lewis

[Titty Meat]

Poe only played 70% of the snaps against the Rams.

Sutton is running this defense like a champ.

Yeah that's interesting he took Poe out late in the game vs San Diego.

[BigMeatballDave]

I don't pay as close attention as I used to, but I thought our defense dropped off a cliff last season when Hali and Houston got banged up, and our pass rush evaporated. Was there a lot more to it than that?
Level of competition.

[Mr. Laz]

It's not bend but don't break ala Romeo, this team is getting off the field on 3rd down, HUGE difference. Romeo's style wears the D down....throw in horrible Qbing and multiple 3 and outs.....well you saw the results...
we are playing off-coverage, keep everything in front of you, don't blitz defense

Sutton has tweaked it by putting Houston at DE on passing downs which enhances our 4-man pass rush. Sutton also went another step and put Dee Ford in there last game

Hali,Bailey,Ford,Houston as a pass rush Dline

It's still a bend,don't break defense. It's just what a B&D defense looks like when your front 4 gets pressure on it's own.

We aren't playing Crennel's 2-gap Dline style though. Sutton is letting the front 4 attack the QB.

[Titty Meat]

That and Kendrick Lewis

Kendrick Lewis is playing decent in Houston. I think an overlooked guy on this board was Quinten Demps. He was a good returner but every bit as bad of a safety as Lewis. I've seen that guy do the same shit in New York as he did here.

[Mr. Laz]

Yeah that's interesting he took Poe out late in the game vs San Diego.

went almost pure pass rusher along the Dline

Hali,Ford,Bailey,Houston

gave Poe some rest, which is good

[keg in kc]

Offense and defense are complementing each other quite well this year. Good on 3rd down on both sides (IIRC...) so the offense stays on the field and the defense gets itself off the field.

And Allen Bailey.

[jonzie04]

I don't pay as close attention as I used to, but I thought our defense dropped off a cliff last season when Hali and Houston got banged up, and our pass rush evaporated. Was there a lot more to it than that?

Well, that was probably the biggest factor, and then there was Sutton refusing to adjust.

The defense is solid this year, and they dont leave me with the fluke feeling like last year, that a collapse is coming. They should get even better down the road with berry and Mays returning to the lineup. Our run d has improved a lot since week one. Especially these past two weeks. Hopefully they keep heading in the right direction.

Another good thing has been the depth, rotation, and versatility of the d line. They have some solid situation guys, walker the pr, vikerson the run stopper, Howard the run stopper, bailey, and poe. These guys are fresh and will continue to do well.

One more thing I like is the trend, last season it was, are we the worst 9/0 team ever? And we were hitting the hardest games at the end. This year, we should still be fighting for respect, and a playoff spot through the very end. This team has a chance to carry a nice some momentum into the playoffs if we make it.

[keg in kc]

One more thing I like is the trend, last season it was, are we the worst 9/0 team ever? Still think the '03 team was worse. Expected last season's offense to improve and it did. There was never any hope with the '03 _efense.

[ModSocks]

And Allen Bailey.

This.

He's beasting it up. Contract year and all.

i doubt he'll be expensive to resign. I expect him to get Tyson Jackson money.

[Dunerdr]

I'm really hoping they can get ford to be atleast 3rd down ready over the next few weeks relieve the puff puff pass rush a little.

[jonzie04]

Still think the '03 team was worse. Expected last season's offense to improve and it did. There was never any hope with the '03 _efense.

Its possible. I do think the 14' chiefs could probably hold the ball 45 minutes of that game if they really tried to lol. That run defense was ****in awful. They'd rip our d to shreds though, they could control top easily too if they trie. Be a cool to see a game between the two teams.

[loochy]

Where are the CPers that wanted Sutton fired?

Crow is yummy with Gates hot BBQ sauce.

I'm right here. The second half of last season was horrendous.

But damn, this is some delicious crow. If this is what eating crow is all about, then I'll take it every time!

[Hydrae]

Still think the '03 team was worse. Expected last season's offense to improve and it did. There was never any hope with the '03 _efense.

The _efense fell apart after Maz got hurt. :)

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Kansas City is 18th in rush defense with 112 yards per game allowed. Still the only team to not allow a rushing TD.



Whaaaa ! Friggin yes!

[Sully]

Justin Houston is an average player.

[lcarus]

Justin Houston is an average player.

:eek:

[ModSocks]

Justin Houston is an average player.

Brandon Siler is a better tackler than Derrick Johnson.

[jonzie04]

Eric berry cant tackle horizontally.

[lcarus]

Brandon Siler is a better tackler than Derrick Johnson.

Injuries really derailed Siler's HOF career.

[J Diddy]

Eric berry cant tackle horizontally.

or anyone because he hasn't played.

[BigMeatballDave]

Brandon Siler is a better tackler than Derrick Johnson.

LMAO

[lcarus]

or anyone because he hasn't played.

OH SHIT! BUUUUUUUUUURRRRRNNN!!!!!!!

[Jimmya]

Don't want to get to hyped because of the way the second half of the season unfolded last year. But happy so far.

[scho63]

I want to see that at the end of the season. Good nonetheless.
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EXACTLY! :thumb:

"7 games does not a season make"- scho63

[FlaChief58]

Where are the CPers that wanted Sutton fired?

Crow is yummy with Gates hot BBQ sauce.

That would be the vast majority of us after week 9 last year. But hey, congratulations on your perfection. .. :facepalm:

[Trivers]

That would be the vast majority of us after week 9 last year. But hey, congratulations on your perfection. .. :facepalm:

"vast majority"

It is the silly season of watching too many political commercials. People are using buzzwords to explain their mindset when they were wrong.....rather than admit they were wrong.

99,9% of us on CP...me included...oh wait....the "vast majority" of us on CP....couldn't carry the jock straps of our coaches and GM with our limited knowledge of the ins and outs of the NFL profession.

Yet, we know better than Sutton or Reid or Dorsey.

Dude, we all make mistakes. OK to admit, eat crow, and move on. :)

[BossChief]

Last year, Sutton lost Houston and Hali while still having Kendrick Lewis.

It's scary, but I expect this defense to improve due to lesser competition that the first few weeks and the players working their asses off.

Nice job, Sutton.

[ARROW2]

we are playing off-coverage, keep everything in front of you, don't blitz defense

Sutton has tweaked it by putting Houston at DE on passing downs which enhances our 4-man pass rush. Sutton also went another step and put Dee Ford in there last game

Hali,Bailey,Ford,Houston as a pass rush Dline

It's still a bend,don't break defense. It's just what a B&D defense looks like when your front 4 gets pressure on it's own.

We aren't playing Crennel's 2-gap Dline style though. Sutton is letting the front 4 attack the QB.




You can definitely see the difference.

[BWillie]

The only thing really missing is the turnovers.

Crazy thing was is we got them last year, which was why our defense was rated well early. Imagine those TOs with this yardage. It would be dominant. Maybe we have a shot vs Peyton at Arrowhead if we can get a pick or a fumble or two

[ModSocks]

Crazy thing was is we got them last year, which was why our defense was rated well early. Imagine those TOs with this yardage. It would be dominant. Maybe we have a shot vs Peyton at Arrowhead if we can get a pick or a fumble or two

Ronnie Hillman IS a fumbler....

[MahiMike]

Awesome sauce!

[Rausch]

...2nd Best in Points Allowed (128pts), 4th in Sacks at 24.

This is all I care about and we're damned good right now...

[Trivers]

Crazy thing was is we got them last year, which was why our defense was rated well early. Imagine those TOs with this yardage. It would be dominant. Maybe we have a shot vs Peyton at Arrowhead if we can get a pick or a fumble or two

...or three or four! Why limit ourselves! :)

Die Donkeys Die!

[Hammock Parties]

The D was good first half of last year, too.

I'll wait until I crown them. I still think they finish up average.

[ModSocks]

The D was good first half of last year, too.

I'll wait until I crown them. I still think they finish up average.

You mean a Defense that is statistically one of the best Pass D's and one of the worst run D's will finish somewhere in the middle?

NO

FUCKING

WAY......

You sir, are a prophet.

[saphojunkie]

The D was good first half of last year, too.

I'll wait until I crown them. I still think they finish up average.

Define average.

[jd1020]

Define average.

Half of 32.

[MotherfuckerJones]

The D was good first half of last year, too.

I'll wait until I crown them. I still think they finish up average.

Dude, they didn't play anyone. This year we've faced elite QBs.

[FlaChief58]

"vast majority"


Yes, there is a 550 post thread on just that

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=280273

[keg in kc]

The fact that they've been as good as they are without the artificial stat inflation that turnovers provided in 2013 means they most likely won't decline in the same way they did last year. Not to mention that they appear to have more depth and they've done this against quality offenses. Of course it would help if everybody stays healthy...

They also face a few of the league's lower-rated offenses in the second half. The Jets are currently 28th in yards and points. The Bills, who they have in Buffalo, are 26th in yards and 21st in points. Oakland is 31st in yards and points and they of course have them twice. They've already shown they can compete with both Denver and San Diego, and both those games are at Arrowhead. Seattle is pretty average on offense, at 18th in yards and 13th in points, and they're also at Arrowhead. The other two road games are Arizona at 25th in yards and 15th in points and Pittsburgh, 3rd in yards and 9th in points. Of course the Steelers are also about as schizophrenic as you can get on offense.

Things have lined up nicely. On paper.

[Hammock Parties]

Dude, they didn't play anyone. This year we've faced elite QBs.

Yeah, I just don't trust the back 7.

Also, if you look at yards per play, which IMO is the best indicator of defensive strength, we are 9th.

That's good, but I see it dropping a few spots.

[O.city]

The secondary? Why? Have a lock down top 10 corner in Sean smith. No need to worry

[BossChief]

Yeah, I just don't trust the back 7.

Also, if you look at yards per play, which IMO is the best indicator of defensive strength, we are 9th.

That's good, but I see it dropping a few spots.

Against lesser competition?

Really?

C'mon man.

[stevieray]

back to back seasons of not looking like a dumpster fire?

I like it.

...so ready to get off the carousel and ride the coaster!

[Hammock Parties]

Against lesser competition?

Really?

C'mon man.

Bills
Broncos
Chargers
Steelers
Seahawks
Cardinals

Lot of firepower to get through.

[ModSocks]

Bills
Broncos
Chargers
Steelers
Seahawks
Cardinals

Lot of firepower to get through.

Yeah, im not really sure why people say the 2nd half of our schedule is easier....

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Where do we rank in time of possession ? I think this has a huge influence on the way offenses have to respond .

[BigMeatballDave]

Yeah, im not really sure why people say the 2nd half of our schedule is easier....

Because most of it is at home.

So, somewhat.

[stevieray]

Yeah, im not really sure why people say the 2nd half of our schedule is easier....

IIRC, a lot of home games coming up...glad we finally played in Denver early in the season.

[BigMeatballDave]

The D was good first half of last year, too.

LOL Of course you'd say this.

No mention of the higher level of competition or the fact that they've done most of this on the road.

[keg in kc]

Yeah, im not really sure why people say the 2nd half of our schedule is easier....In the context of this discussion, I think I outlined it pretty well in my last post: the broncos, chargers and steelers you could argue feature some firepower, but the rest of the teams we face are league average or worse on offense. And aside from pittsburgh, the toughest challenges are all at home.

Does that mean we'll win all those games or shut all those teams down? No. But that's not the question. The question was whether we should see a significant decline in the 2nd half of the season. And "signficant" really needs to be highlighted. Last year the defense didn't just fall back to the pack. They swirled down the commode, went from one of the best to one of the worst. And on paper I don't see a reason why we should expect a repeat of that. Which of course doesn't mean it can't or won't happen.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

In the context of this discussion, I think I outlined it pretty well in my last post: the broncos, chargers and steelers you could argue feature some firepower, but the rest of the teams we face are league average or worse on offense. And aside from pittsburgh, the toughest challenges are all at home.

We have the talent ,ability and coaching to beat ANY team in the NFL. Hopefully we keep playing on the rise .

Not signing Houston and making him play out his contract is smart. We'll sign him eventually but keeping him ultra motivated is good.

We have yet to see the best of our special teams too. DAT will get on track before long.

[crazycoffey]

yeah, KC appears to be 6th best in TOP...
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot

Helps the defense a lot

[Psyko Tek]

Pretty fucking incredible.

That's what passrushing do.

that's what a ball control offenss does
keeping Qb's off the field most of the game sure helps these stata
not taking a damn thing away from the D
but one makes the other possible

think about the vermiel years
no rest for a real shitty D
you let a VERY GOOD d LIKE THIS REST, AND THEY CAN RAPE FOR 3 DOWNS

[Psyko Tek]

Where are the CPers that wanted Sutton fired?

Crow is yummy with Gates hot BBQ sauce.

HOT SAUCE ON MINE OK

[OldSchool]

They've been playing really well especially considering all of the injuries. But you have to give some credit to the offense as well. Absolutely dominated in TOP against Rivers and did the same against Manning. That's a huge contributor to those stats.

[RunKC]

They've been playing really well especially considering all of the injuries. But you have to give some credit to the offense as well. Absolutely dominated in TOP against Rivers and did the same against Manning. That's a huge contributor to those stats.

That's how you beat those teams. Good defenses, running the ball and getting first downs to keep the clock going.

This team keeps this up and makes the playoffs, then teams like Denver won't want to play us.

[Hammock Parties]

LOL Of course you'd say this.

No mention of the higher level of competition or the fact that they've done most of this on the road.

Just a gut feeling, man.

Can easily see us dropping 5 of those 6 games.

[OldSchool]

Also, Hali and Houston have been playing like All-Pros and the rest of the front has also been contributing in pass rush production, which helps the secondary a lot. Just great team defense.

[RunKC]

If it comes down to using money to keep Bailey or Tamba, who do you keep?

I would probably say Bailey simply due to age. Can't think Tamba has more than 2 years left of elite play.

[ThaVirus]

That's how you beat those teams. Good defenses, running the ball and getting first downs to keep the clock going.



This team keeps this up and makes the playoffs, then teams like Denver won't want to play us.


We need to do a better job of scoring TDs. That is a great blue print to beating these high powered offenses but scoring 25 PPG just won't cut the mustard against the Denvers, Green Bays, etc.

[OldSchool]

We need to do a better job of scoring TDs. That is a great blue print to beating these high powered offenses but scoring 25 PPG just won't cut the mustard against the Denvers, Green Bays, etc.

Yeah, they have to come away with a TD on those drives instead of just fieldgoals. If Smith and Co can improve upon their efficiency and consistency in scoring on those long drives, you're looking at a team that can make it far into the playoffs against those high powered offenses.

They have to be like the anaconda, choke the damn life out of the opposing offenses by limiting opportunities against the patchwork defense. Hali and Houston are going to have to keep coming up big in the 4th quarter. Even if they are playing well, it doesn't change the fact that Parker is a former PS guy, Abdullah is just an alright starter, Smith is the only good starting CB, etc.

I think that the offense is giving Houston and Hali just enough rest to be able to go 100% on every snap. Not only that, but the big TOP advantage helps prevent the other team from establishing and keeping a rhythm against the defense.

[Rausch]

Just a gut feeling, man.

Can easily see us dropping 5 of those 6 games.

Towards the end of the season as the games matter more I see us winning less.

[RunKC]

We need to get this OL in shape. More time to throw, more time for receivers to get their routes going.

Can't wait to see Dorsey retool this offense in the offseason.

[Rausch]

Can't wait to see Dorsey retool this offense in the offseason.

LMAO

There are no high priced guys on offense other than the ones he signed.

This offense is right where he wants it...

[BlackOp]

They've been playing really well especially considering all of the injuries. But you have to give some credit to the offense as well. Absolutely dominated in TOP against Rivers and did the same against Manning. That's a huge contributor to those stats.

On the road....to me, that's the indicator that this team is legit. KC has played the top 3 QB in the NFL and won 2....destroyed the only one faced at home. With better play calling on that last series in Denver..they could be 3-0.

This is the best team KC has had in a long time...

[Direckshun]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article3404416.html

Chiefs ranked third in NFL in overall defense
10/27/2014 3:20 PM

Though the Chiefs have played most of the season without Pro Bowl linebacker Derrick Johnson and Pro Bowl safety Eric Berry as well as defensive end Mike DeVito, they are ranked No. 3 in the NFL in overall defense, No. 1 in pass defense and No. 3 in points allowed.

The Chiefs are allowing just 18.0 points per game, and just 15.6 points per game in their last five games. They have yet to allow a 300-yard passing game or a rushing touchdown.

The Chiefs have counted on young players in the secondary such as safety Ron Parker, cornerback Jamell Fleming and rookie Phillip Gaines during the past few weeks, and that has made the No. 1 ranking in pass defense even more gratifying to coach Andy Reid.

“From the standpoint that we’re young, you’re never sure about exactly what that growth pattern is going to be,” said Reid. “First of all, is it going to take place, and how fast it will come about.

“I’m pleasantly pleased with that. As a coach, you always have expectations, and I still think they have room to grow. But I had high expectations … to take these top pass offenses and compete against them.”

Most impressively, the defensive improvement has come against a gauntlet of a schedule that included road games against Denver’s Peyton Manning, San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick and San Diego’s Philip Rivers and a home game against New England’s Tom Brady.

“That makes you better and is going to make you play at the top of your game,” Reid said. “They’re going to challenge you every which way. This is a game of matchups. They’re going to match their guy on you, and you’ve got to be able to stand up and meet that challenge. And these guys have done that.”

The differing difference

In all seven games of the Chiefs’ games this season, the team that won the coin toss has deferred until the second half, including the Chiefs on Sunday against the Rams.

In the four games the Chiefs won the toss, here’s how they opened the second half: a fumble at Miami; a missed field goal at Denver; a field goal that drew them to within 14-13 at San Diego; and a 99-yard kickoff return by Knile Davis against St. Louis.

“I don’t know if it’s an advantage,” said Reid. “You can go either way. Stats have shown that by a small margin it’s better to defer. One of the positives is you have an opportunity to evaluate what the defense is doing and how they’re trying to defend you as an offense for a half, and you get to come out and make those adjustments.”

Trade deadline approaches

The NFL trade deadline is at 3 p.m. Tuesday, but Reid said at mid-day he hadn’t heard from general manager John Dorsey if any deals were brewing.

“I know they’re pounding it,” said Reid of the personnel department. “Dorse stays on that like a wild man. Around these times, they’re in lock-down mode.”

[Mav]

Last year, Sutton lost Houston and Hali while still having Kendrick Lewis.

It's scary, but I expect this defense to improve due to lesser competition that the first few weeks and the players working their asses off.

Nice job, Sutton.
/ thread.

Seriously everyone did the math last year.

Hali-houston+better qbs+ kendrick lewis =aids

The only people blaming sutton were the typical malcontents.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The difference this year, dumbshit, is the QBs they have faced.

Hef is a monumental dumbass

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Just a gut feeling, man.

Can easily see us dropping 5 of those 6 games.

Your predictions are awful mine are not ....10 wins

[milkman]

"vast majority"

It is the silly season of watching too many political commercials. People are using buzzwords to explain their mindset when they were wrong.....rather than admit they were wrong.

99,9% of us on CP...me included...oh wait....the "vast majority" of us on CP....couldn't carry the jock straps of our coaches and GM with our limited knowledge of the ins and outs of the NFL profession.

Yet, we know better than Sutton or Reid or Dorsey.

Dude, we all make mistakes. OK to admit, eat crow, and move on. :)

I believe you were looking for Rainbows and Unicorns forum, dipshit.

[Trivers]

I believe you were looking for Rainbows and Unicorns forum, dipshit.

Would you like some BBQ sauce also?

Time to man up.

I did. It wasn't painful. You can do it. :)

[milkman]

Would you like some BBQ sauce also?

Time to man up.

I did. It wasn't painful. You can do it. :)

My post earlier has nothing to do with the topic at hand, because I have nothing to man up for, since I was one of the few that was defending Sutton.

My post has everything to do with the fact that you are a little dickless cunt.

[BigMeatballDave]

I defended Sutton. Caught shit for it.

Suck it, haters.

[RunKC]

The MVP of the entire team right now is Sutton. Just an amazing job he's done. He's coached better than Andy this far.

[BigCatDaddy]

They've been playing really well especially considering all of the injuries. But you have to give some credit to the offense as well. Absolutely dominated in TOP against Rivers and did the same against Manning. That's a huge contributor to those stats.

Still sticking with that 18th-20th best defense assessment?

[BigCatDaddy]

I defended Sutton. Caught shit for it.

Suck it, haters.

At the moment you appear to be right..... Good job hon.

[OldSchool]

Still sticking with that 18th-20th best defense assessment?

Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5? No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.

[BigCatDaddy]

Still sticking with that 18th-20th best defense assessment?

Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

<b>So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5?</b> No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.

No. That's not what I asked.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5? No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.

Saying this D doesn't have talent is dumb as fuck. Horrible post.

[Nightfyre]

Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5? No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.


Yes, it would be a shame if we lost our all-pro safety and middle linebacker for example.

[Rausch]

Yes, it would be a shame if we lost our all-pro safety and middle linebacker for example.

The Safety at least will be back...

[Mav]

Right now we're living on the fact that the defense hasn't had to see the field much and when it does, the stars in Houston and Hali have been delivering when they are needed. It's kind of like what Freeney and Mathis did for the Colts for years. They weren't a good all-around defense like the 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks last year, etc, they lived and died by how Freeney and Mathis played. It's the same situation here.

So if you're asking if I think the defense is part of the elite top 5? No, but Sutton and the rest of the defensive coaching group have done a fantastic job of getting the scrubs/below average starters around the guys who are actually damn good to play at a high enough level to not mess things up completely for the stars up front.

I think a better comparison would be to look at Carolina and the collapse from last year's top defense to the mess that they are this year. There isn't really enough talent overall for sustained success. I just hope that the collapse doesn't happen this year and the top tier starters remain healthy.
Carolina lost Greg Hardy. Couple that with the fact that the offense without Steve Smith has been atrocious, combined with the fact that they have no healthy running backs, and that their franchise left tackle retired leaving the team in shambles, is a really poor use of a team boss.

The Chiefs are playing more to the strengths of the team. Utilizing the running game on offense, controlling the clock, keeping the defense off the field. Its not a coincidence that the Chiefs are top 5 in time of possession, top 10 in turnover differential, and top 5 in defense. Those things all go hand in hand.

Their isn't a single star in the Chiefs secondary. Every player they are utilizing right now is a role player who plays his role to perfection.

That's the beautiful part of it. They replaced Marcus Cooper with some dude I had literally never heard of, replaced Eric Berry with RON PARKER, who looked like the worst defensive back in the history of football in preseason, and now they have one of the best defenses in the league despite losing 6 starters. That's INCREDIBLE.

[Aspengc8]

I dont care who you put in the secondary. If you can generate a consistent pass rush with only 4 guys, your going to win games. Same type of situation as last year.. lets hope the edge rushers can stay healthy the entire season.

[hometeam]

I dont care who you put in the secondary. If you can generate a consistent pass rush with only 4 guys, your going to win games. Same type of situation as last year.. lets hope the edge rushers can stay healthy the entire season.

Also holding the ball 2/3s of the game helps.

[DaneMcCloud]

The Safety at least will be back...

The Chiefs would be foolish to pay Eric Berry, a box safety that doesn't fit their scheme, in excess of $8 million per year. The Chiefs secondary, while pieced together, is playing its best football in decades.

Berry and DeVito should be goners. Hali needs to restructure. Houston needs to get paid and Bailey deserves $3 million per.

The salary cap was $130 million this year and has been projected to be at least $140 million next year but they can't keep everyone.

[Trivers]

The Chiefs would be foolish to pay Eric Berry, a box safety that doesn't fit their scheme, in excess of $8 million per year. The Chiefs secondary, while pieced together, is playing its best football in decades.

Berry and DeVito should be goners. Hali needs to restructure. Houston needs to get paid and Bailey deserves $3 million per.

The salary cap was $130 million this year and has been projected to be at least $140 million next year but they can't keep everyone.

Wow.

Berry released.

Strong moves after all the Chiefs have invested in Berry.

Tough decisions like this is why I'm glad Dorsey is in charge. He appears willing and able to make the huge decisions that this would be.

If you were Dorsey, what would you do about DJ?

[DaneMcCloud]

If you were Dorsey, what would you do about DJ?

I'd let him rehab and give him a shot to make the roster. If he doesn't make it, it's a $5 million dollar cap savings.

Keep in mind that in addition to some of the guys previously mentioned in DeVito, Berry and Fasano, the Chiefs would save nearly $5 million by releasing A.J. Jenkins and Donnie Avery.

I think they could find better receivers by throwing two darts at a board while blindfolded.

[jd1020]

I find it fascinating how many people are so eager to dump an all pro because the defense is playing well, as if they couldn't be better with said all pro.

[Fat Elvis]

2nd in points allowed.
That is against 3 out of the top 4 offenses in points scored.

[Direckshun]

Chiefs are balling out, statistically, right now:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/images/imported/KC/photos/102914-WhereTheyRank-Chart.jpg

[Direckshun]

The Chiefs learned their defensive scheme from the Seahawks, did they not?

Take away the quick reads for QBs, force them to hold onto the ball, and trust your front four to get to the QB?

Keep everything in front of you, rally up to the ball and tackle reliably? The Chiefs are among the league leaders in preventing YAC.

[Direckshun]

Herbie Teope @HerbieTeope · 16h 16 hours ago

Jets coach Rex Ryan on #Chiefs DC Bob Sutton landing a head coaching job: “Hopefully he’ll get one this year; I hope it’s not mine.”

LMAO

[Direckshun]

Herbie Teope @HerbieTeope · Oct 28

Looking over #Chiefs' defensive stats through Wk 8. DC Bob Sutton deserves to be in discussion for Assistant Coach of the Year at this pace.

[Sandy Vagina]

I'm very surprised by the offensive penalties rank for KC. Guess it just felt like they were more frequent.. but more likely, they were just at real shit times that stick in my memory. Seemed like we often get holding calls on our K/P returns too... but guess not.

[Sandy Vagina]

I find it fascinating how many people are so eager to dump an all pro because the defense is playing well, as if they couldn't be better with said all pro.

I think people are just worried about the cap situation. If Berry were set to make half of what he is.. the trade/release talk would be far less. (same for Bowe too)

People are also probably frustrated each week that it looks like Berry might be ready to play.. but then doesn't.

Berry is set to make around 8 mil in 2015.. which is a chunk less than he is receiving this season. Parker is an UFA after this year.. as are a bunch of other, lesser DBs. Abdullah and Berry would be on their final contract yr in 2015. Owens is also an UFA.

It's going to be very interesting to see what the plan for the secondary is... :hmmm:

[ThaVirus]

More likely that you're looking for anything possible to absolve Alex of fault so you magnify any little thing you see.

[Frosty]

The Chiefs learned their defensive scheme from the Seahawks, did they not?

I thought Sutton learned it from Rex.

[Aspengc8]

The Chiefs would be foolish to pay Eric Berry, a box safety that doesn't fit their scheme, in excess of $8 million per year. The Chiefs secondary, while pieced together, is playing its best football in decades.

Berry and DeVito should be goners. Hali needs to restructure. Houston needs to get paid and Bailey deserves $3 million per.

The salary cap was $130 million this year and has been projected to be at least $140 million next year but they can't keep everyone.

Care to elaborate on the bold? Not trying to call you out on your football knowledge, just curious because I see this phrase used way too often & out of context.



The Chiefs learned their defensive scheme from the Seahawks, did they not?

Take away the quick reads for QBs, force them to hold onto the ball, and trust your front four to get to the QB?

Keep everything in front of you, rally up to the ball and tackle reliably? The Chiefs are among the league leaders in preventing YAC.


Nothing you posted has anything remotely close to a scheme. Defensive philosophies, yes. Schemes are much more complex and can change on the fly depending on what the offense is showing.

Again, not trying to be a dick, but the word scheme is being used way too often out of context.

[Sandy Vagina]

More likely that you're looking for anything possible to absolve Alex of fault so you magnify any little thing you see.

If this theory of yours was accurate... why would I further point out this stat (magnify it) since it does nothing to absolve Alex of fault? In fact, it can only do the opposite, if anything. Wouldn't I just go the Clayanus route and avoid as much attention to the stat as possible?

Maybe some flaws in your there there, fella. :hmmm:

[jd1020]

People worried about Berry and the cap are fucking stupid.

The cap is going up and Berry's cap number is going down.

[The Franchise]

I defended Sutton. Caught shit for it.

Suck it, haters.

You defend everyone.

[ModSocks]

The Chiefs learned their defensive scheme from the Seahawks, did they not?



No idea how you came to that conclusion.

[Chiefnj2]

I thought Sutton learned it from Rex.

Rex's scheme required a shut down corner to be manned up on the opposing #1 WR. This enable him to send exotic blitzes because the corner didn't need help from anyone. The Jets didn't typically generate pressure with 4 guys.

[Aspengc8]

Rex's scheme required a shut down corner to be manned up on the opposing #1 WR. This enable him to send exotic blitzes because the corner didn't need help from anyone. The Jets didn't typically generate pressure with 4 guys.

Rex was big on disguised overload & mike/will cross blitz concepts that were a staple with Dick LeBeau’s odd front 1-gap scheme. He just had better players to play man-trail technique while showing 1 high. Forced the QB to make the 'hard' throws away from the middle of the field. A lot of teams use these concepts now, including KC. Sutton does a nice job mixing up the coverages and the fact that we generate good pressure from just 4 makes blocking call adjustments a nightmare for the QB.

[Mav]

I'd let him rehab and give him a shot to make the roster. If he doesn't make it, it's a $5 million dollar cap savings.

Keep in mind that in addition to some of the guys previously mentioned in DeVito, Berry and Fasano, the Chiefs would save nearly $5 million by releasing A.J. Jenkins and Donnie Avery.

I think they could find better receivers by throwing two darts at a board while blindfolded.
Aj is a free agent. They won't have to release him

[Sandy Vagina]

Aj is a free agent. They won't have to release him

No, AJJ is still under contract thru 2015.. making 1.3 mil of that 2015 yr.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/a.j.-jenkins/

[Mav]

No, AJJ is still under contract thru 2015.. making 1.3 mil of that 2015 yr.
Really? I guess i read that wrong. Thanks

[ThaVirus]

I'd say Jenkins is as good as gone but we'll likely see an extreme mix up in our WR corps next season.

We may have to keep a couple of these scrubs just for continuity's sake.

[tecumseh]

I'd say Jenkins is as good as gone but we'll likely see an extreme mix up in our WR corps next season.

We may have to keep a couple of these scrubs just for continuity's sake.

The Sanders debacle set us back a bit. But nice to know the FO will go after quality FA's that fill a need. Better than hit or missing thru the draft.

[jspchief]

This run defense doesn't pass the eye test for me. A number of teams have run the ball well against the Chiefs this year, they just haven't run often. I'm not sure how much of a liability it will ultimately be, but I don't think its an area to be content with.

[Sandy Vagina]

The Sanders debacle set us back a bit. But nice to know the FO will go after quality FA's that fill a need. Better than hit or missing thru the draft.

Yes. Watching Sanders making excellent plays for Denver REALLY boils my blood. That mother****er... :#

[TimeForWasp]

The Chiefs are very balanced, The offence helps by holding time of possession. Special teams helps by good returns and excellent punts pinning them behind 10 yards. and the offense helps the defense by long drives and keeping the opposing QB off the field.

[DaneMcCloud]

This run defense doesn't pass the eye test for me. A number of teams have run the ball well against the Chiefs this year, they just haven't run often. I'm not sure how much of a liability it will ultimately be, but I don't think its an area to be content with.

This a Pass First league now and the Chiefs currently have the #1 pass defense in the league.

While they didn't exactly "bottle up" Frank Gore on the road (107 yards), their run defense has certainly been sufficient to date. They have a few tougher tests ahead with Marshawn Lynch and possibly Hillman/Ball when they meet Denver but if the pass defense continues to play well, I wouldn't be too concerned about a few rushing yards.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd say Jenkins is as good as gone but we'll likely see an extreme mix up in our WR corps next season.

We may have to keep a couple of these scrubs just for continuity's sake.

I think DAT and Bowe will be the only survivors next season, with Hammond & Albert Wilson back on the PS, unless they completely blow up later in the season.

IMO, DAT should be the starting slot receiver and Hemingway and/or Jenkins should only see the field due to injury.

[ThaVirus]

I think DAT and Bowe will be the only survivors next season, with Hammond & Albert Wilson back on the PS, unless they completely blow up later in the season.

IMO, DAT should be the starting slot receiver and Hemingway and/or Jenkins should only see the field due to injury.


DAT is a RB, technically.

[DaneMcCloud]

DAT is a RB, technically.

He's a receiver. The coach at Oregon last season completely misused him.

[jonzie04]

I liked seeing dat split out wide vs the rams. I really wish they'd let bowe go, and would sign 2-3 quality guys.

[DaneMcCloud]

I liked seeing dat split out wide vs the rams.

Absolutely

I really wish they'd let bowe go, and would sign 2-3 quality guys.

I'll be really surprised if that happens. The Chiefs need to draft at least two WR's in the 2015 draft and even if they're able to sign one quality guy, like a Maclin or Randall Cobb or whomever, they'll still need Bowe's presence for one more season, IMO.

Now, if they're able to lure a superstar like a Dez Bryant or DeMaryius Thomas, that may change. But it's hard to imagine either of those guys leaving their respective teams.

[penbrook]

Chiefs are the only team in the NFL who hasn't allowed a rushing TD

[jonzie04]

Absolutely



I'll be really surprised if that happens. The Chiefs need to draft at least two WR's in the 2015 draft and even if they're able to sign one quality guy, like a Maclin or Randall Cobb or whomever, they'll still need Bowe's presence for one more season, IMO.

Now, if they're able to lure a superstar like a Dez Bryant or DeMaryius Thomas, that may change. But it's hard to imagine either of those guys leaving their respective teams.

I guess it could work keeping bowe for 1 more season with a 1 fa signing, though idk what the 16' FA class looks like. There are a ton of good wrs this year that may come out. I'd bet we could sign maclin, Welker, and anquan Boldin for pretty damn close to what bowe makes right now. And we could still draft some wr's to groom. And I have to think wed be much better off than bowe, maclin, and some draft picks.

[Direckshun]

Pretty crazy to think how blue-balled we were last offseason at the WR position. Not only does Emmanuel Sanders fuck us up the ass, but Brandin Cooks went a pick or two before our selection.

There are going to be 3 or 4 high-impact WRs in this draft. The Chiefs NEED to pick the one they want, and go get him -- if that means trading up, they've almost certainly got the ammunition to do so.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd bet we could sign maclin, Welker, and anquan Boldin for pretty damn close to what bowe makes right now.

Dude, come on.

Welker's a concussion away from retirement. Maclin is a possibility but there's no guarantee he'll leave Philly and he's not a #1. And Boldin is under contract next year.

[jonzie04]

Pretty crazy to think how blue-balled we were last offseason at the WR position. Not only does Emmanuel Sanders **** us up the ass, but Brandin Cooks went a pick or two before our selection.

There are going to be 3 or 4 high-impact WRs in this draft. The Chiefs NEED to pick the one they want, and go get him -- if that means trading up, they've almost certainly got the ammunition to do so.

I saw a mock that had us trading up to 10 and taking Amari cooper. I think it was a chiefs website though lol

[DaneMcCloud]

Pretty crazy to think how blue-balled we were last offseason at the WR position. Not only does Emmanuel Sanders fuck us up the ass, but Brandin Cooks went a pick or two before our selection.

Dee Ford was the better long term selection.

There are going to be 3 or 4 high-impact WRs in this draft. The Chiefs NEED to pick the one they want, and go get him -- if that means trading up, they've almost certainly got the ammunition to do so.

DAT can be better than Cooks. He just needs to get acclimated to the offense. He missed a considerable amount of time and he's just now getting touches.

[DaneMcCloud]

I saw a mock that had us trading up to 10 and taking Amari cooper. I think it was a chiefs website though lol

Trading up is foolish. Each and every year, productive wide receivers can be found throughout the draft.

[jonzie04]

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;11072760]Dude, come on.

Welker's a concussion away from retirement. Maclin is a possibility but there's no guarantee he'll leave Philly and he's not a #1. And Boldin is under contract next year.[/QUOT

It was a purely hypothetical situation to show what could be had for the price of bowe, if you dont like the wr's specifically , that's fine..
But there are a lot of good guys coming out pick you're poison. AT LEAST 2 and 3 guys in most cases can be signed for the price of bowe. outside of dez, and demaryius.

Cobb, Torrey smith, Crabtree, maclin, kearse, britt...eddie royal, Kenny Britt etc...

Having a true number 1 in this offense isn't that important, because the ball gets spread around so much.

Having a competent wr corps, who all catch the ball, and are capable of making plays is a lot more important.

[jonzie04]

Trading up is foolish. Each and every year, productive wide receivers can be found throughout the draft.

Lol so, trading up to get megatron, aj green, or Julio Jones would have been foolish? Because productive wr's can be found in the later rounds? Right on.

[DaneMcCloud]

Dude, come on.

Welker's a concussion away from retirement. Maclin is a possibility but there's no guarantee he'll leave Philly and he's not a #1. And Boldin is under contract next year.

It was a purely hypothetical situation to show what could be had for the price of bowe, if you dont like the wr's specially, that's fine..
But there are a lot of good guys coming out pick you're poison. AT LEAST 2 and 3 guys in most cases can be signed for the price of bowe. outside of dez, and demaryius.

Cobb, Torrey smith, Crabtree, maclin, kearse, britt...eddie royal, Kenny Britt etc...

Having a true number 1 in this offense isn't that important, because the ball gets spread around so much.

Having a competent wr corps, who all catch the ball, and are capable of making plays is a lot more important.[/quote]

You said Kenny Britt twice.

I can't see Crabtree getting out of San Fran, Britt, Royal and Smith are "JAG's" that won't really make an impact and I already mentioned Cobb and Maclin.

Again, i think it's going to take quite a bit for Cobb and Maclin to leave their respective teams because it leaves their teams in the lurch.

The Chiefs are likely stuck with Bowe in 2015, draft a few guys, sign a guy along with DAT. It's still possible that Albert Wilson makes a move and quite honestly, I like Hammond better than Hemingway or Jenkins.

[DaneMcCloud]

Lol so, trading up to get megatron, aj green, or Julio Jones would have been foolish? Because productive wr's can be found in the later rounds? Right on.

Trading for Julio Jones has been a major factor in Atlanta's demise.

No team traded up for Johnson or Green and to date, neither of those teams have won a thing.

[BlackOp]

KC needs to go full on defense....the way Alex plays keep away. This is how KC gets to the SB...in it's current form...ILB and CB

[DaneMcCloud]

KC needs to go full on defense....the way Alex plays keep away. This is how KC gets to the SB...in it's current form...ILB and CB

There's no doubt they'll need to add another ILB (for depth, if anything else) and another CB, but I don't think they'll need to spend a 1st or 2nd on either position.

[BlackOp]

There's no doubt they'll need to add another ILB (for depth, if anything else) and another CB, but I don't think they'll need to spend a 1st or 2nd on either position.

I'm not sure they need to draft a WR...as strange as that sounds...at least with a high pick. I'm looking at the big picture..and with how AS rolls...he would be lethal with a dominate defense.I would draft another stellar TE before a WR......

[jonzie04]

[quote=jonzie04;11072783]

You said Kenny Britt twice.

I can't see Crabtree getting out of San Fran, Britt, Royal and Smith are "JAG's" that won't really make an impact and I already mentioned Cobb and Maclin.

Again, i think it's going to take quite a bit for Cobb and Maclin to leave their respective teams because it leaves their teams in the lurch.

The Chiefs are likely stuck with Bowe in 2015, draft a few guys, sign a guy along with DAT. It's still possible that Albert Wilson makes a move and quite honestly, I like Hammond better than Hemingway or Jenkins.

I apologize for saying Britts name twice. The 49ers have nearly 150m on the books next year, there is a good chance Crabtree is not going to be a 49er next year.

And basically what I'm gathering from you're post is that, there are only like 5 good wr's in the entire NFL. They all suck, and the packers, and eagles, have unlimited salary caps.

[DaneMcCloud]

I apologize for saying Britts name twice. The 49ers have nearly 150m on the books next year, there is a good chance Crabtree is not going to be a 49er next year.

And basically what I'm gathering from you're post is that, there are only like 5 good wr's in the entire NFL. They all suck, and the packers, and eagles, have unlimited salary caps.

The cap went up $10 million this year to $130 million and is expected to hit $140 million, at minimum, next year. I've heard the estimates are at least $160 million for 2016.

So with that said, if teams want to keep guys like Crabtree, Maclin, Cobb, etc. they will.

I think you should peruse the WR free agency list for 2015. Outside of the guys previously listed, the pickings are slim.

[salame]

We should have drafted Donte Moncrief instead of Gaines

[DaneMcCloud]

We should have drafted Donte Moncrief instead of Gaines

That's highly debatable.

Moncrief has 16 catches in seven games. Gaines continues to improve and it's impossible to teach 4.3 speed.

[Direckshun]

How the hell anybody could possibly argue we should have picked Moncrief over Gaines at this point is mind bottling.

Jesus. I know you're supposed to wait three years before exacting final judgment. But JESUS.

Moncrief was a great prospect, but has done nothing in a potent offense with a future HOF quarterback.

Gaines on the other hand has been playing lights out, and has the appearance of a high-end starter at the CB position.

[salame]

...lights out?...
he has 5 tackles and 1 pass def

Donte Moncrief at least has a touchdown

[salame]

That's highly debatable.

Moncrief has 16 catches in seven games. Gaines continues to improve and it's impossible to teach 4.3 speed.

Moncrief ran a 4.40 at 221lbs
My comment was more in response to people saying we should trade up for a WR
IMO we would have been much better off using a 3rd on Moncrief than an undersized corner.

Time will tell though

[Pasta Little Brioni]

...lights out?...
he has 5 tackles and 1 pass def

Donte Moncrief at least has a touchdown

Dumb. Any idiot can see Gaines is providing rock solid coverage skills lately.

[O.city]

How the hell anybody could possibly argue we should have picked Moncrief over Gaines at this point is mind bottling.

Jesus. I know you're supposed to wait three years before exacting final judgment. But JESUS.

Moncrief was a great prospect, but has done nothing in a potent offense with a future HOF quarterback.

Gaines on the other hand has been playing lights out, and has the appearance of a high-end starter at the CB position.

Moncrief had a really good game against the steelers (who doesnt) and seems to be coming on. Gaines looks promis8ng, but at this point, not enough data either way to justify.

[Easy 6]

Gaines isnt undersized, he's a long armed 6'1 and 180 with plenty of frame to add another ten pounds.

[OldSchool]

Side question, would anyone here deal a mid-late round pick for Dion Jordan during the off-season if he were available? I feel like a change of scenery will do him good just like it did for Jerry Hughes moving from the Colts to the Bills.

[Saccopoo]

Gaines isnt undersized, he's a long armed 6'1 and 180 with plenty of frame to add another ten pounds.

31 1/2" arms.

His arms are average.

And the knock on him was that he never played up to his track speed on the football field or exhibited any power or strength. He was not seen as a viable special teams player because of this and would have to make his money on true corner coverage skills.

As Direckshun stated, there were 50 other guys available that I would have drafted other than Gaines and Moncrief would have been on the top of that list.

I would have been happy if the Chiefs picked Moncrief in the first round. That he was there for the taking in the third was unthinkable and that we didn't take him was fucking felonious.

[Sandy Vagina]

31 1/2" arms.

His arms are average.


I'm seeing 31 and 7/8" on multiple sites.. FWIW.

[Reerun_KC]

Who cares about arm length? either you can play or you cant...

[Sandy Vagina]

Who cares about arm length? either you can play or you cant...

pretty much, yeah

[thabear04]

For the first time this season, the Chiefs can be called a winning team. That feels pretty darn good. It feels even better that they are set up to continue -that trend with very winnable games coming up over the next couple of weeks.

Though I wished they found a better way to do it than by losing, the Chiefs have been a very exciting team through their first seven games. After the Titans came to town, we hoped to avoid the first pick in the draft. After the Rams came to town, we are looking at paths to the playoffs, and even wondering whether winning the AFC West is possible with a misstep or two by Denver.

In the midst of this roller coaster of emotions, the Chiefs have earned the number-three rushing attack, scoring defense, and overall defense in the league. So I thought I would take a look at some of the stats you may not have seen, which have contributed to the Chiefs’ success.

Here is a look at five of the Chiefs’ most impressive stats thus far.

1. Touchdowns Allowed

The Chiefs lead the league in touchdowns allowed with 12.

That is impressive by itself, and when see that it came in games that included three teams who are in the top 10 in scoring offense (New England, Denver and San Diego), it looks even better. Just for good measure, I’ll also note that the Chiefs managed this predominately on the road.

But the real icing on the cake comes from the number of rushing touchdowns the Chiefs have allowed this year, which is ZERO.

That’s right, through seven games the Chiefs have not allowed even a single touchdown on the ground. I attribute this to Kansas City’s incredible front four. If you weren’t aware, Justin Houston currently has more sacks than anyone else in the NFL.

Had the secondary been at full health this whole time, just imagine how good the Chiefs defense might look right now.

2. Third-Down Efficiency

The Chiefs have converted 47-of-93 third-down attempts. That gives them a 50.5 percent conversion rate, which is third in the league.

Converting third downs is always crucial to a team’s success. But what makes it more impressive for the Chiefs is the fact that they have achieved that mark playing without Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Donnie Avery, or De’Anthony Thomas at different points in the season.

Add to that the fact that the offensive line has had struggles, and this stat looks better still.

3. Third-Down Efficiency (Against)

In addition to being one of the best teams in the league at converting on third down, the Chiefs are also one of the best in the league at preventing their opponents from converting.

Just like the Chiefs offense on converting, the defense ranks third in the league at stopping opposing teams from converting.

Chiefs opponents have had 85 shots at third down, and have only been able to convert on 28 of those attempts. That is a rate of 32.9 percent, and sits closely behind the Colts (31.1 percent) and Lions (32 percent).

Not to sound like a broken record, but when the Chiefs lost Derrick Johnson, Mike Devito and Eric Berry early in the season, this stat seemed like a pipe dream. Especially when you consider the level of competition the Chiefs defense has faced since then.

That competition includes five teams with winning records. Four who had quarterbacks with the names Manning, Brady, Kaepernick and Rivers. In an age when passing is king in the NFL, getting consistent stops against four franchise guys is a tall order.

4. Possession

The Chiefs are tied with the Saints for fewest drives in the NFL. However, they are fourth in the league for drives lasting five minutes or longer, with 15. This ability to grind out long drives is a big reason that they have possessed the ball for just under 55 percent of game time this season.

In fact, the Chiefs won the time of possession battle in every game except their losses to Tennessee and San Francisco. Even in the loss to Denver, they managed to keep the ball for 36+ minutes. And against the Chargers, the Chiefs dominated the clock by possessing the ball for 39 minutes.

They say that the best defense is a good offense. There may be something to that as every team ahead of the Chiefs in time of possession (Colts, Cowboys, 49ers, Steelers and Lions) all have winning records. The Chiefs may not be the exact unit that springs to mind when you hear that saying, but they have been pretty adept at limiting the time opposing offenses have on the field.

5. All-Purpose Yards (Individual)

The rest of this list has been focused on team stats, but I wanted to recognize the fact that Knile Davis has managed to gain 820 all-purpose yards. That is the 10th most in the NFL. The only player to have more all-purpose yards that is not listed as a starter on his team’s depth chart is Devin Hester. And being behind the guy who just broke Deion Sanders’ record for return touchdowns is no reason to be ashamed.

Davis has turned into an outstanding pickup for the Chiefs since being drafted in the third round last year. He may not make Chiefs fans forget about Jamaal Charles, but has filled in admirably for him when Kansas City’s all-time leading rusher went down with an injury in last year’s playoff game, and week two of this season.

Kudos, Knile.

[Easy 6]

31 1/2" arms.

His arms are average.

And the knock on him was that he never played up to his track speed on the football field or exhibited any power or strength. He was not seen as a viable special teams player because of this and would have to make his money on true corner coverage skills.

As Direckshun stated, there were 50 other guys available that I would have drafted other than Gaines and Moncrief would have been on the top of that list.

I would have been happy if the Chiefs picked Moncrief in the first round. That he was there for the taking in the third was unthinkable and that we didn't take him was ****ing felonious.

Whatever, he's the guy they picked so whatchoo gonna do bout it, huh?

Seriously, that guy has made significant strides already, he was, for all intents and purposes, a shutdown corner against San Diego... you can talk scouting reports all day, but its all about what he's doing right now.

[Sandy Vagina]

I would have been happier with Moncrief/Latimer in rd 1 and then Gaines in rd 3... but I have nothing fierce against Ford or solidifying rush LB.

Maybe we can make things right this next time around by drafting Davante Parker, Kevin White, or Jaelen Strong.

[Easy 6]

If anyone had told me before the season, that we would not only lose to the Titans week one, but that we would also lose DJ and Devito for good and that Berry would miss 5 of 7 games, also that Cooper would seriously regress... and we would still be 4-3 against this schedule?

I'd have told you to pass me that joint and not expect to get it back... after the Titans game, no lie I was damn sure this season was over, it was an EXCEEDINGLY depressing day... some homer I am.

Truth is, between the depth that Dorsey acquired and Suttons better management of personnel, we're still in the playoff hunt... and that is flat out amazing.

I am genuinely impressed.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Some of You fuckers are too invested in the turds you wanted in the homemade basement big board mock draft. It's really sad. Fuck Moncrief. Gaines looks good.

[kcxiv]

The only thing really missing is the turnovers.

which makes it even more impressive

[Frosty]

I would have been happier with Moncrief/Latimer in rd 1 and then Gaines in rd 3... but I have nothing fierce against Ford or solidifying rush LB.

Maybe we can make things right this next time around by drafting Davante Parker, Kevin White, or Jaelen Strong.

After watching the Panthers the last two weeks, Benjamin would have been nice in round 1. :( I liked him at FSU but thought he would have more trouble adapting to the NFL than he ended up having.

[KCChiefsfan1234]

31 1/2" arms.

His arms are average.

And the knock on him was that he never played up to his track speed on the football field or exhibited any power or strength. He was not seen as a viable special teams player because of this and would have to make his money on true corner coverage skills.

As Direckshun stated, there were 50 other guys available that I would have drafted other than Gaines and Moncrief would have been on the top of that list.

I would have been happy if the Chiefs picked Moncrief in the first round. That he was there for the taking in the third was unthinkable and that we didn't take him was ****ing felonious.

Gaines played all the special teams in HS 5A (now 6A) for power house Judson in Texas as the punt returner, deep on kickoffs, gunner on kickoffs and was one of the top state hurdlers as well as ran in the 4X100 relay team that took 3rd in the state. When he got to Rice he was a starter his freshman year by the 2nd game and covered Dez Bryant pretty well. Rice didn't choose to put him on special teams not because of his speed but because of his value at CB. He is now on the NFL pro bowl ballot for special teams. That says something right? All I'm saying is that he needs time to develop. He is getting there. I know you all know that most rookies just need some time. They will have good and bad games, I can understand why you would have wanted Moncrief but Gaines is holding his own so far.

[Sandy Vagina]

After watching the Panthers the last two weeks, Benjamin would have been nice in round 1. :( I liked him at FSU but thought he would have more trouble adapting to the NFL than he ended up having.

true that.. I had him as that high risk/reward type. Didn't trust his separation skills or believe him to be a plug in instantly prospect. Doh! :(

[vailpass]

I would have been happier with Moncrief/Latimer in rd 1 and then Gaines in rd 3... but I have nothing fierce against Ford or solidifying rush LB.

Maybe we can make things right this next time around by drafting Davante Parker, Kevin White, or Jaelen Strong.

As I've said, as a B1G follower I really liked Lattimer and had him pegged for KC. Honestly think he'd be starting for you. Same time you're winning with a different style...

[Sandy Vagina]

As I've said, as a B1G follower I really liked Lattimer and had him pegged for KC. Honestly think he'd be starting for you. Same time you're winning with a different style...

Not talking to you ever again, Denver scum! :deevee:



:p

[vailpass]

Not talking to you ever again, Denver scum! :deevee:



:p

Fuck you too :)
Strange thing is I never envisioned Denver drafting him, there wasn't an apparent need. But that's why I sit out back watching instead of being in the war room...

[Easy 6]

Gaines played all the special teams in HS 5A (now 6A) for power house Judson in Texas as the punt returner, deep on kickoffs, gunner on kickoffs and was one of the top state hurdlers as well as ran in the 4X100 relay team that took 3rd in the state. When he got to Rice he was a starter his freshman year by the 2nd game and covered Dez Bryant pretty well. Rice didn't choose to put him on special teams not because of his speed but because of his value at CB. He is now on the NFL pro bowl ballot for special teams. That says something right? All I'm saying is that he needs time to develop. He is getting there. I know you all know that most rookies just need some time. They will have good and bad games, I can understand why you would have wanted Moncrief but Gaines is holding his own so far.

Hey, whats crackin Phil?

[Sandy Vagina]

**** you too :)
Strange thing is I never envisioned Denver drafting him, there wasn't an apparent need. But that's why I sit out back watching instead of being in the war room...

It's just disgusting, all the weapons your QB has...

http://www.hantak.com/images/dexter_rage.gif

[KCChiefsfan1234]

Hey, whats crackin Phil?

Not Phil....But do know the kid :thumb:

[vailpass]

It's just disgusting, all the weapons your QB has...

http://www.hantak.com/images/dexter_rage.gif

Heh that gif is the goods...It's apparent that having an ex qb as front office leads to stacking the O. OTOH Reid is no slouch and is building a base there. Love the rivalry being revived. Gonna be a good one in Arrowhead. But seriously fuck you guys unless you're playing the faid or bolts...