Chiefs extend FB Anthony Sherman's contract

[Dante84]

Chiefs FB Anthony Sherman has inked a contract extension (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-Sign-FB-Anthony-Sherman-to-Contract-Extension/77505296-4c1c-4615-b43b-35b723e110c6)

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Wednesday that the team has inked fullback Anthony Sherman to a contract extension. Terms of the contract will not be released by the club.

“It was important for us to keep Anthony here in Kansas City,” Chiefs General Manager John Dorsey said. “He brings a lot to our football team with not only his play, but his work ethic, leadership and character. He doesn’t get a lot of recognition at his position, but he has been a key component to our success as a team.”

Sherman (5-10, 242) has played in 51 games (21 starts) in four NFL seasons with the Kansas City Chiefs (2013-14) and Arizona Cardinals (2011-12). His career numbers include 36 catches for 315 yards (8.8 avg.) with two receiving touchdowns. On the ground, he owns five carries for 14 yards. With the Chiefs, Sherman has played in all 23 games (10 starts) in his two seasons with the club. His Chiefs numbers include 23 catches for 204 yards with two touchdown receptions and four carries for 11 yards.

Sherman serves as the lead blocker for the Chiefs all-time leading rusher in Jamaal Charles. In 2013, Sherman helped pave the way for Charles who racked up 1,287 rushing yards. While in Arizona he led RB Beanie Wells to his first career 1,000-yard season. The North Attleboro, Massachusetts, native originally entered the NFL as a fifth-round pick (136th overall) of the Arizona Cardinals in the 2011 NFL Draft. He played collegiately at Connecticut and prepped at North Attleboro High School.

[Perineum Ripper]

Fuck yea

[The Franchise]

Awesome.

[Dante84]

BUT WHAT ABOUT ARENAS???!!!

[MVChiefFan]

:thumb: Good deal! Love me some Sherman tank!!!

[Easy 6]

Smart.

[Marcellus]

To this sausage ship!

[Dante84]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash">#ChiefsKingdom</a> - This move will go over very well in locker room.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/530046769338798080">November 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[BlackHelicopters]

To the watchtower

[temper11]

Chiefs FB Anthony Sherman has inked a contract extension (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/Chiefs-Sign-FB-Anthony-Sherman-to-Contract-Extension/77505296-4c1c-4615-b43b-35b723e110c6)

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Wednesday that the team has inked fullback Anthony Sherman to a contract extension. Terms of the contract will not be released by the club.

I didn't even know you could do this? Why don't they do this with everyone?

[Pitt Gorilla]

BUT WHAT ABOUT ARENAS???!!!The kvetching about that trade on here was ridiculous. We got a good player for a not good player.

[DaneMcCloud]

Sweet

[Big Poppa Payne]

Time to order my Sherman jersey

[DaneMcCloud]

I didn't even know you could do this? Why don't they do this with everyone?

Who was the dipshit that was complaining that the trade was shit and that Sherman sucked?

I can't remember due to all of the dipshittery around these parts.

:D

[saphojunkie]

The teams often don't release details of the contract. But they have to report it to the league, and that's usually when numbers get out.

Or the agents leak the details, because they want to show how well they did by their clients.

[Titty Meat]

BUT WHAT ABOUT ARENAS???!!!

Should have never traded him


/ SNR

[silver5liter]

This is great. I was somewhat concerned that they would think they could get a scrap heap FB to take his place and let him walk. He has been phenomenal though.

[gblowfish]

Schnitengruben!!!

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[CaliforniaChief]

Freaking beast. Love this.

[penbrook]

Dave Skretta is reporting it's 3 years for 7 million

[tk13]

Well there goes Houston's extension. Thanks Dorsey.

[silver5liter]

Well there goes Houston's extension. Thanks Dorsey.

that 2 mil shermans gonna cost is really going to kill us

[Dunerdr]

This guy helps hide some faults, always plays hard, and is generally a badass. I like it.

[penbrook]

that 2 mil shermans gonna cost is really going to kill us

You can save that by cutting Avery. Actually 3 mil by cutting avery

[silver5liter]

You can save that by cutting Avery. Actually 3 mil by cutting avery

I was being a smart ass

[RealSNR]

Should have never traded him


/ SNR
I'm still right about that, by the way.

But at least Dorsey knows that when he falls ass over tea kettle into a good player, he should try to keep him.

[Sandy Vagina]

LOVE THIS!

The best full back in the game... hope Andy will use him more to open up holes for JC/KD on short yardage situations...

[Bowser]

Sherman has more receiving touchdowns than our entire group of wide receivers. Of course you extend him.

[KC_Lee]

Locked up the White Tony Richardson!!! SWEET!!!!

[CaliforniaChief]

Sherman does so much on offense. Great blocker, pass protection, good outlet, pretty good in space.

[BigMeatballDave]

I'm still right about that, by the way.

But at least Dorsey knows that when he falls ass over tea kettle into a good player, he should try to keep him.LOL Actually, you couldn't be more wrong.

[Hootie]

I'm still right about that, by the way.

But at least Dorsey knows that when he falls ass over tea kettle into a good player, he should try to keep him.
Eat your crow, and move on

[KCUnited]

Hell yes, one of my favorites. Dude brings it.

[-King-]

I didn't even know you could do this? Why don't they do this with everyone?

They do do it for everyone. Reporters get the numbers from agents and the league.
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[RealSNR]

LOL Actually, you couldn't be more wrong.

You've proven time and time again on this forum that you're incapable of understanding nuanced arguments.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Approve!

[RealSNR]

Eat your crow, and move on
Anthony Sherman could outplay Tony Richardson for the next 10 years as the Chiefs FB and I'd still be right.

It was an irresponsible trade AT THE TIME.

[BlackOp]

He is one of the most underrated moves by Dorsey...nice job!

[Fire Me Boy!]

To the Sausage King of Kansas City! :cheers:

http://quixotando.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/ferris_buellers_day_off_11.jpg

[BigMeatballDave]

Anthony Sherman could outplay Tony Richardson for the next 10 years as the Chiefs FB and I'd still be right.

It was an irresponsible trade AT THE TIME.

The Chiefs have a solid player and gave up a jag.

End of discussion.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Remember when people were downright pissed that we traded for him LMAO

[RealSNR]

The Chiefs have a solid player and gave up a jag.

End of discussion.

That's not my argument.

[BigMeatballDave]

You've proven time and time again on this forum that you're incapable of understanding nuanced arguments.

LOL Whatever. At least I don't have a problem admitting I'm wrong.

[O.city]

It's still wrong snr. You thought they were thin at cb. Apparently they didn't or thought they could easily make up for losing arenas

[BigMeatballDave]

That's not my argument.

Doesn't matter. This is what we're left with.

Fuck the dumb stuff.

[Mr. Laz]

:thumb:

[warrior]

Good news

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Yeah I was hot over Arenas. I really liked the guy and thought he had some potential. Regardless of what he's doing anywhere else is not indicative of what he could be doing here. That said, it worked out incredibly well and I'm glad we got the guy extended.

[RealSNR]

It's still wrong snr. You thought they were thin at cb. Apparently they didn't or thought they could easily make up for losing arenas

They WERE thin at CB. And Dorsey didn't believe that, otherwise he would have gone dumpster diving throughout minicamp and training camp for more CBs.

Training camp ended and he fell into Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker as much-needed depth. And it wasn't until we moved Flowers to nickel halfway through the season that we had a legit defender against the slot.

Arenas is a JAG, but we sure could have used a JAG instead of a brokedick in that playoff game.

Again, I'm granting that Dorsey's trade worked out tremendously. I like Anthony Sherman a lot, and I'm glad he's going to stick around KC for awhile.

Dorsey gambled and the Chiefs won.

[Mr. Laz]

Yeah I was hot over Arenas. I really liked the guy and thought he had some potential. Regardless of what he's doing anywhere else is not indicative of what he could be doing here. That said, it worked out incredibly well and I'm glad we got the guy extended.
yep ... generally trading a CB for a FB is stupid, especially after we drafted one and signed one.

It worked out though so it's all good.

[Mr. Laz]

Arrowhead Pride ‏@ArrowheadPride 3m3 minutes ago
Sherman's extension is 3 years, worth up to $7 million

[BigMeatballDave]

It worked out though so it's all good.

Exactly. This is why I said fuck the dumb stuff.

[RealSNR]

Exactly. This is why I said fuck the dumb stuff.

You said I was wrong.

I'm not.

[BigMeatballDave]

You said I was wrong.

I'm not.

LMAO Okay.

[Hootie]

If SNR was the GM of the Chiefs we'd have to just nuke the whole fucking thing

[jonzie04]

Fuck yes. Now bailey and houston before they get too many sacks. Especially bailey.

[RealSNR]

LMAO Okay.

You: "SNR is wrong. Sherman rules."

Me: "That's not my argument."

You: "Your argument is dumb!"

[Hootie]

New regimes get rid of players that don't fit all of the time - exactly what Dorsey did - eat your crow, move on =)

[DaneMcCloud]

You said I was wrong.

I'm not.

Had Dorsey traded Arenas and not adequately replaced him, then you would be "right".

But the reality is that Dorsey thought so little of Arenas that he felt he could replace him on the roster with Sanders Commings or a player off the waiver wire, which is exactly what happened.

Arenas sucked ass. I'm not sure how anyone can even argue otherwise. He was a terrible second round acquisition and was further proof that Scott Pioli's reputation as a "Personnel Guru" and "Executive of the Year" was completely unearned.

[RealSNR]

If SNR was the GM of the Chiefs we'd have to just nuke the whole fucking thing

I evaluate the Chiefs just as much as you do. Don't act like you're the happy-go-lucky fan while I'm Shawn fucking Zoebel trying to get a job with an NFL franchise.

[Hootie]

I hear ya, buddy !

[Direckshun]

Great to hear. This is a win for the Chiefs.

I can't tell you how upset I was that the Chiefs traded a starting-caliber CB for a fullback after having just drafted one in the 6th round.

Chalk yet another one up for Dorsey.

[BigMeatballDave]

I can't tell you how upset I was that the Chiefs traded a starting-caliber CB for a fullback after having just drafted one in the 6th round.

LMAO :facepalm:

[DaneMcCloud]

I can't tell you how upset I was that the Chiefs traded a starting-caliber CB for a fullback after having just drafted one in the 6th round.

Wha??? Starting caliber? Where? High school?

[RealSNR]

Had Dorsey traded Arenas and not adequately replaced him, then you would be "right".

But the reality is that Dorsey thought so little of Arenas that he felt he could replace him on the roster with Sanders Commings or a player off the waiver wire, which is exactly what happened.

Arenas sucked ass. I'm not sure how anyone can even argue otherwise. He was a terrible second round acquisition and was further proof that Scott Pioli's reputation as a "Personnel Guru" and "Executive of the Year" was completely unearned.

If Arenas sucked ass, then call Dunta Robinson, Jalil Brown, and Vince Agnew Miles Davis!

Arenas was awful when he replaced Stanford Routt on the other side of the field. And as the nickel corner, he was just okay. He was depth. He was JAG. I wouldn't say he sucked ass given the awful CB play we've seen out of this team regardless of the GM or head coach at the time. Yes, he was absolutely an awful Pioli pick and it sucks that he was the 3rd best CB on the team just after the draft, but he still had a useful purpose that could have been served at the weakest position of depth on the team.

But Dorsey didn't go looking for upgrades once he ditched Arenas. It's pretty obvious that given his lack of roster movement from June-August, he made the trade not only because he found Arenas to be expendable but also because he had faith in Dunta Robinson and Jalil Brown. At the very least, he wanted to see if those guys could round out the CB depth by themselves. He didn't go dumpster diving like he did for Ryan Harris or McGlynn or Josh Mauga during 2014's training camp.

This trade wasn't as cool and calculated by Dorsey that everybody wants to make it out to be. I'm cool if he wants to ditch players like Arenas that he has no use for. But unless he was planning on making this a "holdover" year, where the roster development really takes off going into 2014 with a healthier amount of cap room, he still opened up a decent-sized hole in the roster. And given our woes at CB depth whenever Flowers was out, we didn't exactly find a replacement for JAGier Arenas until the next offseason.

[Jimmya]

I really like Sherman...seems like one of those tough guys like Kelce.

[DaneMcCloud]

If Arenas sucked ass, then call Dunta Robinson, Jalil Brown, and Vince Agnew Miles Davis!

Yep, they all sucked, too.

But Dorsey didn't go looking for upgrades once he ditched Arenas. It's pretty obvious that given his lack of roster movement from June-August, he made the trade not only because he found Arenas to be expendable but also because he had faith in Dunta Robinson and Jalil Brown. At the very least, he wanted to see if those guys could round out the CB depth by themselves. He didn't go dumpster diving like he did for Ryan Harris or McGlynn or Josh Mauga during 2014's training camp.

This trade wasn't as cool and calculated by Dorsey that everybody wants to make it out to be. I'm cool if he wants to ditch players like Arenas that he has no use for. But unless he was planning on making this a "holdover" year, where the roster development really takes off going into 2014 with a healthier amount of cap room, he still opened up a decent-sized hole in the roster. And given our woes at CB depth whenever Flowers was out, we didn't exactly find a replacement for JAGier Arenas until the next offseason.

Dorsey was certainly confident enough in his ability to be able to find a player to replace Arenas. It's fairly clear that Dorsey and his staff also watched every single 2013 preseason game and evaluated each and every cornerback because Cooper was snagged immediately, with Parker shortly thereafter.

Dorsey is a scout at heart and I have a hard time believing that he got "lucky", especially considering all of the other guys he claimed off the waiver wire that contributed to the 2013 season.

His trade of Rishaw Johnson for Kelcie McCray also worked in his favor, as Johnson was cut and McCray remains as a contributor.

[RealSNR]

Dorsey is a scout at heart and I have a hard time believing that he got "lucky", especially considering all of the other guys he claimed off the waiver wire that contributed to the 2013 season.

His trade of Rishaw Johnson for Kelcie McCray also worked in his favor, as Johnson was cut and McCray remains as a contributor.

Is there any other GM in the league that has as much success with garbage from other teams as Dorsey does? And it's not just him taking leftovers and putting them on the field because we're desperate. Pioli did that too, except his players all sucked ass. Most of the time Dorsey's guys are adequate and do what we need of them. The only one I can say that's not true of is Mike McGlynn, and that's only because he's underperforming as a starter. It'd be a different situation if he were depth.

He's practically got a better track record in his waiver wire/afterthought pickups than he does with his free agent signings. That's just a very bizarre track record that I don't see out of other GMs.

[Direckshun]

Wha??? Starting caliber? Where? High school?

Oh how quickly we forget that Stanford Routt was injured for much of 2012 and Arenas showed some promise starting on the outside that year.

[thabear04]

Its been a long time since we had a great FB. I was mad when they let Tony Richardson go and he played for the Vikings.

[thabear04]

Yep, they all sucked, too.



Dorsey was certainly confident enough in his ability to be able to find a player to replace Arenas. It's fairly clear that Dorsey and his staff also watched every single 2013 preseason game and evaluated each and every cornerback because Cooper was snagged immediately, with Parker shortly thereafter.

Dorsey is a scout at heart and I have a hard time believing that he got "lucky", especially considering all of the other guys he claimed off the waiver wire that contributed to the 2013 season.

His trade of Rishaw Johnson for Kelcie McCray also worked in his favor, as Johnson was cut and McCray remains as a contributor.

And now Johnson with the Cowboys now.

[Bowser]

Stanford Routt. Lol

[RealSNR]

Oh how quickly we forget that Stanford Routt was injured for much of 2012 and Arenas showed some promise starting on the outside that year.

Stanford Routt was axed, dawg. Not injured.

[Bowser]

Stanford Routt was axed, dawg. Not injured.

Yep. Landed with the Texans and in the playoffs that year, iirc.

[Direckshun]

Stanford Routt was axed, dawg. Not injured.

MY POINT STANDS

[Direckshun]

Seriously, there was not a single person on this site making the argument that this was a sensible trade at the time.

Javier Arenas showed promise as a corner, and we JUST drafted a FB in the 6th round of the draft.

Trading a guy who has experience playing a very important position, with some promise to be quite good at it, over a player with zero positional importance when we didn't even have a hole at that position, was risking a very bad precedent. When you pull off a trade that potentially poor, you risk ruining the opportunity to trade with other teams.

But Dorsey unquestionably pulled it off. Sherman has been outstanding, and arguably the best FB the league has since he's been a Chief.

Dorsey also won the Baldwin-for-Jenkins trade, and the Johnson-for-McCray trade. Guy has just an outstanding record so far.

The only trade that's questionable at this point is two 2nds for Alex Smith. And I think you can argue we got the better of that deal.

[DaneMcCloud]

Oh how quickly we forget that Stanford Routt was injured for much of 2012 and Arenas showed some promise starting on the outside that year.

LMAO

Arenas was garbage. That secondary was giving up big plays and points like they were Christmas presents.

This is Arenas' fifth year in the NFL and all he's proven is that he sucks in the order of William Bartee.

[DaneMcCloud]

Is there any other GM in the league that has as much success with garbage from other teams as Dorsey does? And it's not just him taking leftovers and putting them on the field because we're desperate. Pioli did that too, except his players all sucked ass. Most of the time Dorsey's guys are adequate and do what we need of them. The only one I can say that's not true of is Mike McGlynn, and that's only because he's underperforming as a starter. It'd be a different situation if he were depth.

He's practically got a better track record in his waiver wire/afterthought pickups than he does with his free agent signings. That's just a very bizarre track record that I don't see out of other GMs.

Dorsey has been amazing, IMO. What he accomplished last year should have earned him executive of the year.

John Schnieder in Seattle, who worked with Dorsey in Green Bay, has a similar ability. From undrafted college free agents like Jermaine Kearse and Doug Baldwin to fleecing the Bills with a 4th rounder for Marshawn Lynch to late round stars like Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor.

I really believe that this roster will be amongst the best in the NFL by 2016, if not the best because IMO, Dorsey is just that good.

[Direckshun]

LMAO

Arenas was garbage. That secondary was giving up big plays and points like they were Christmas presents.

This is Arenas' fifth year in the NFL and all he's proven is that he sucks in the order of William Bartee.

That's super easy to say now, Captain Hindsight.

At the time, he showed promise as a starter and looked good in the nickel.

[Direckshun]

Dorsey has been amazing, IMO. What he accomplished last year should have earned him executive of the year.

John Schnieder in Seattle, who worked with Dorsey in Green Bay, has a similar ability. From undrafted college free agents like Jermaine Kearse and Doug Baldwin to fleecing the Bills with a 4th rounder for Marshawn Lynch to late round stars like Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor.

I really believe that this roster will be amongst the best in the NFL by 2016, if not the best because IMO, Dorsey is just that good.

The way this roster is shaping up, so long as the Chiefs find a way to retain Houston, Hudson, and Bailey, and draft very well, finding Alex one more WR to play with, and figure out the Hali/Dee Ford riddle, there's no reason we can't be Super Bowl competitive in 2015.

[Gonzo]

Awesome news there. He's a leader in the locker room and the best FB we've had around here since Richardson.

[Frosty]

John Schnieder in Seattle, who worked with Dorsey in Green Bay, has a similar ability. From undrafted college free agents like Jermaine Kearse and Doug Baldwin to fleecing the Bills with a 4th rounder for Marshawn Lynch to late round stars like Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor.


Hopefully Dorsey doesn't pull a "trade a first for Harvin and give him a huge contract so that you can't afford your best WR, and then cut him the next season" trade.

[Direckshun]

Hopefully Dorsey doesn't pull a "trade a first for Harvin and give him a huge contract so that you can't afford your best WR, and then cut him the next season" trade.

As soon as Bowe starts accusing Alex Smith of not being black enough, he's out of here.

[DaneMcCloud]

Hopefully Dorsey doesn't pull a "trade a first for Harvin and give him a huge contract so that you can't afford your best WR, and then cut him the next season" trade.
Well, at least he didn't go hard after DeSean Jackson, so there is that.

[Direckshun]

Well, at least he didn't go hard after DeSean Jackson, so there is that.

Dude, Jackson would wreck in this offense.

Jackson and his agent are such impossible assholes in contracts, though.

[Red Dawg]

Sherman tank baby.

[DaneMcCloud]

Dude, Jackson would wreck in this offense.

Jackson and his agent are such impossible assholes in contracts, though.
Jackson would be great in virtually any offense but contract, and especially character, rule him out of most locker rooms.

[Mr. Laz]

Brandin Cooks :(

[O.city]

Apparently he's a wacko, but Harvin would destroy in this offense. Hopefully that's the vision they have for DAT.

Be nice if the Eagles let Maclin go.

[Direckshun]

Brandin Cooks :(

EMMANUEL SANDERS

[Direckshun]

Apparently he's a wacko, but Harvin would destroy in this offense. Hopefully that's the vision they have for DAT.

Be nice if the Eagles let Maclin go.

I would have adored the Chiefs take a chance on Harvin, but that probably would have meant sacrificing all their rollover cap to this upcoming offseason, when the Chiefs need every penny for Houston, Hudson, and Bailey.

[O.city]

EMMANUEL SANDERS

Sad

[Willie Lanier]

I like the nickname someone posted.. Sausage ftw

[Hootie]

God. The Emmanuel Sanders botched signing will haunt my dreams

[Hootie]

(and I realize he has inflated numbers due to being in Denver but after taking significant interest in him as he is on every single one of my fantasy teams I truly think he is the most talented receiver on Denver and one of the top 5 WR's in the NFL. He has everything. Incredible hands, speed and route running abilities...and he's a gamer.)

What a steal for Denver.

[Marcellus]

Anthony Sherman could outplay Tony Richardson for the next 10 years as the Chiefs FB and I'd still be right.

It was an irresponsible trade AT THE TIME.

No it wasn't. We haven't missed Arenas one iota since he left. You are making shit up.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Anthony Sherman could outplay Tony Richardson for the next 10 years as the Chiefs FB and I'd still be right.

It was an irresponsible trade AT THE TIME.

No it was not

[Pasta Little Brioni]

God. The Emmanuel Sanders botched signing will haunt my dreams

Chiefs weren't getting him. We got played so he could get more under the table cash in Denver. Chiefs were pawns.

[RealSNR]

No it wasn't. We haven't missed Arenas one iota since he left. You are making shit up.

Are you an idiot?

[RealSNR]

No it was not

Yes it was

[ModSocks]

(and I realize he has inflated numbers due to being in Denver but after taking significant interest in him as he is on every single one of my fantasy teams I truly think he is the most talented receiver on Denver and one of the top 5 WR's in the NFL. He has everything. Incredible hands, speed and route running abilities...and he's a gamer.)

What a steal for Denver.

I agree.

And they got him for cheap too.

[ModSocks]

Brandin Cooks :(

#1 on my wishlist followed by Clinton-Dix.

But they weren't there when it was the Chiefs turn.

What can ya do....

[ThaVirus]

(and I realize he has inflated numbers due to being in Denver but after taking significant interest in him as he is on every single one of my fantasy teams I truly think he is the most talented receiver on Denver and one of the top 5 WR's in the NFL. He has everything. Incredible hands, speed and route running abilities...and he's a gamer.)

What a steal for Denver.


I loved Emmanuel Sanders when he was the #3 in Pittsburgh but this is absurd. Demaryius Thomas is more talented.

[Direckshun]

#1 on my wishlist followed by Clinton-Dix.

But they weren't there when it was the Chiefs turn.

What can ya do....

Cooks, Clinton-Dix, AND Manziel went 1-2-3 right before the Chiefs selection.

How fucking unlucky can you get.

[-King-]

(and I realize he has inflated numbers due to being in Denver but after taking significant interest in him as he is on every single one of my fantasy teams I truly think he is the most talented receiver on Denver and one of the top 5 WR's in the NFL. He has everything. Incredible hands, speed and route running abilities...and he's a gamer.)

What a steal for Denver.

Stop. You're drunk. He's not even a top 10 WR. He has more yards this year already than he's ever had in his career. He's a very good #2 receiver, but this year is 90% Peyton Manning.

[Coochie liquor]

Lock em up like a dread

[Hootie]

Stop. You're drunk. He's not even a top 10 WR. He has more yards this year already than he's ever had in his career. He's a very good #2 receiver, but this year is 90% Peyton Manning.
Do you watch the games? Demaryius is the bigger name, Emmanuel is a better receiver. He does EVERYTHING better than DT. Everything. Better hands, better routes.

[ModSocks]

I loved Emmanuel Sanders when he was the #3 in Pittsburgh but this is absurd. Demaryius Thomas is more talented.

Stop. You're drunk. He's not even a top 10 WR. He has more yards this year already than he's ever had in his career. He's a very good #2 receiver, but this year is 90% Peyton Manning.

Have you guys watched him this season?

The dude is FAST, runs crisp routes and catches everything thrown his way.

[Deberg_1990]

Luv me sum Sausage!

[-King-]

Have you guys watched him this season?

The dude is FAST, runs crisp routes and catches everything thrown his way.

Yeah. And Decker had a 1,300 yard receiving season last year. I guess he's a top 10 WR too.

Are you people insane? So if Sanders is legitimately a 1,400 yard receiver, why is it before hooking up with Manning he had 740 yards last year?

[Deberg_1990]

Manning 'made' guys like Piere Garcon and Austin Collie too

[ThaVirus]

Have you guys watched him this season?



The dude is FAST, runs crisp routes and catches everything thrown his way.


I've watched. I watched in Pitt as well.

Demaryius Thomas is more talented. People knew D Thomas was a fucking beast when Tim Tebow was throwing to him. Sanders just looked pretty good with Ben Roethlisberger throwing to him.

It's the Peyton Manning effect for Sanders this year. I can't believe Hootie of all people would argue otherwise.

[-King-]

Manning 'made' guys like Piere Garcon and Austin Collie too

Garcon outside of Manning has had 1000 yard seasons. Sanders outside of Manning had 500-700 yard seasons. Do you see a difference?

[Hootie]

Watch a game, then get back to me

[Hootie]

And, lmfao, how many great seasons did DT have before Peyton Manning you fucking hypocrites

[ThaVirus]

Oh, God. It's Hootie's infamous eye test.

The one that said Russell Wilson was the best QB in the league.

[Hootie]

Oh, God. It's Hootie's infamous eye test.

The one that said Russell Wilson was the best QB in the league.
I said that before he won a Super Bowl

[ThaVirus]

He had Tim Tebow throwing to him, dude. That guy completed less than 50% of his passes.

.. And people still knew he'd be a fucking beast.

[-King-]

Watch a game, then get back to me

I have. DT is and has been the better receiver. But hey, it's just a coincidence that Sanders went from 700 yards to being on pace for 1400 yards. Just a coincidence. He just didn't want to get 1400 yards these past years before playing with Peyton.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Have you even watched a game!? Because your argument is different to my own. The only reason you could possibly come to such a conclusion, is because you haven't watched a game! Have you even watched him play?!?

[-King-]

And, lmfao, how many great seasons did DT have before Peyton Manning you fucking hypocrites

Hmmmm... Tim Tebow throwing to you vs. Ben Roethlisberger throwing to you.


Same thing. Valid point. :rolleyes:

[Deberg_1990]

Sanders would have been lucky to get 700 yards if he had played for the Chiefs.

[ThaVirus]

Who was I arguing with about Reggie Wayne being a HOFer?

Eric Decker just put up two seasons with Peyton that were comparable to any two that you could choose from Reggie Wayne's 46 year career.

That guy is not a fucking Hall of Famer. He had the luxury of playing with Peyton Manning and then Curtis Painter for his entire career.

[ThaVirus]

Who was I arguing with about Reggie Wayne being a HOFer?

Eric Decker just put up two seasons with Peyton that were comparable to any two that you could choose from Reggie Wayne's 46 year career.

That guy is not a fucking Hall of Famer. He had the luxury of playing with Peyton Manning and then Curtis Painter for his entire career.


The point of this post is to highlight the Peyton Manning effect.

Bowe would be a 1,400 yard 12 TD guy with Peyton Manning. Possibly a 1,600 yard 16 TD guy in his prime.

[-King-]

Sanders would have been lucky to get 700 yards if he had played for the Chiefs.

Nah. He's a top 5 WR. He would have had 1200 yards and 10 TDs.


I was one of the people most excited in bringing him in too. But calling him a top anything WR is nuts. He's a good #2 and it would have been great to have him. But with any other QB in the league, he has 300-400 yards right now.

[Deberg_1990]

Nah. He's a top 5 WR. He would have had 1200 yards and 10 TDs.


I was one of the people most excited in bringing him in too. But calling him a top anything WR is nuts. He's a good #2 and it would have been great to have him. But with any other QB in the league, he has 300-400 yards right now.

Agreed. Manning just attempts a ton of throws.


I think last week he had 50 attempts.

[penchief]

It seems to me that anyone arguing that this was a terrible trade "at the time" and that Dorsey got lucky with Sherman would be suggesting that Dorsey and Reid didn't know what they had in Arenas or what they were getting in Sherman.

Based on Dorsey's track record so far, I don't buy that argument. I think Dorsey and Reid knew exactly what they had in Arenas and exactly what they thought Sherman could bring to the team. Good trade at the time that has proven the naysayers wrong, IMHO.

[OldSchool]

It seems to me that anyone arguing that this was a terrible trade "at the time" and that Dorsey got lucky with Sherman would be suggesting that Dorsey and Reid didn't know what they had in Arenas or what they were getting in Sherman.

Based on Dorsey's track record so far, I don't buy that argument. I think Dorsey and Reid knew exactly what they had in Arenas and exactly what they thought Sherman could bring to the team. Good trade at the time that has proven the naysayers wrong, IMHO.

People were more annoyed by the fact that they traded for one and spent a draft pick on one. Could have used that wasted draft pick on another position.

[OldSchool]

Manning 'made' guys like Piere Garcon and Austin Collie too

He didn't make Pierre Garcon at all. Garcon actually got better without Manning. Best season as a Colt was when Manning went down for the season. Best season in his career was as a Redskin.

[penchief]

People were more annoyed by the fact that they traded for one and spent a draft pick on one. Could have used that wasted draft pick on another position.

Valid point but maybe Sherman wasn't available in a trade at the time they drafted Braden Whathisname. Maybe it was a spur of the moment thing that they didn't feel they could pass up.

[RealSNR]

It seems to me that anyone arguing that this was a terrible trade "at the time" and that Dorsey got lucky with Sherman would be suggesting that Dorsey and Reid didn't know what they had in Arenas or what they were getting in Sherman.

Based on Dorsey's track record so far, I don't buy that argument. I think Dorsey and Reid knew exactly what they had in Arenas and exactly what they thought Sherman could bring to the team. Good trade at the time that has proven the naysayers wrong, IMHO.

Of course they knew who Sherman was. That's not the issue.

[DaneMcCloud]

People were more annoyed by the fact that they traded for one and spent a draft pick on one. Could have used that wasted draft pick on another position.

Wasted draft pick?

LMAO

It was #204 overall and taken just a few spots before Catapano.

The wasted draft pick was pick #50 overall in 2010.

[penchief]

Of course they knew who Sherman was. That's not the issue.

It's an issue if you are going to say Dorsey "fell ass over tea kettle into a good player." If Dorsey and Reid knew who they were getting then how can it be said that they got lucky in the trade?

Sounds more like they made a trade for a damn good player who fit their vision while trading away a player they didn't see much of a role for. It was obviously a good trade at the time because that was when it happened.

Just because a lot of somewhat knowledgeable fans "at the time" disapproved doesn't mean it was a bad trade "at the time." It just means those fans were wrong "at the time."

[Mr. Laz]

#1 on my wishlist followed by Clinton-Dix.

But they weren't there when it was the Chiefs turn.

What can ya do....

Trade up like the Saints did .....

[Shaid]

Love the guy.

[vailpass]

What's a full back?

[Big Poppa Payne]

Remember when people were downright pissed that we traded for him LMAO

He seems nice

[Direckshun]

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/8732/wise-move-by-chiefs-to-retain-fullback-sherman

Wise move by Chiefs to retain fullback Anthony Sherman
By Adam Teicher | ESPN.com
November, 5, 2014

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs are unusual in the modern NFL when it comes to their attitude about their fullback. They utilize one more than most teams, and when they get one they like, they try to hang on to him.

That’s why the Chiefs extended the contract of fullback Anthony Sherman Wednesday. Sherman, who was acquired for cornerback Javier Arenas in a trade with the Arizona Cardinals last year, had been in the final year of his deal.

“There aren’t a lot of them out there right now," Chiefs coach Andy Reid said, referring to fullbacks. “In college football, not a lot of teams use fullbacks."

The Chiefs do, more than the average NFL team. They’ll give the ball to Sherman on occasion. He scored a touchdown on an 11-yard pass from quarterback Alex Smith in last month’s three-point win over the Chargers in San Diego. He is also one of the Chiefs’ better special-teams players.

Mostly, he’s a blocker, which he does well enough that Sherman has been the top-rated fullback by Pro Football Focus this season and last.

“We isolate him a lot on blocks and he wins for us consistently," Smith said.

It made sense for the Chiefs to continue to whittle away at their list of potential free agents. They signed Smith, who was in the final year of his contract, to an extension shortly before the start of the regular season.

“I definitely wanted to stay here," Sherman said. “I want to be a part of this team. We’re going to do some good things. I want to stay in Kansas City. It’s definitely good to get out of the way."

[Hootie]

I have. DT is and has been the better receiver. But hey, it's just a coincidence that Sanders went from 700 yards to being on pace for 1400 yards. Just a coincidence. He just didn't want to get 1400 yards these past years before playing with Peyton.

How?

He drops passes, runs worse routes...and literally plays like a speed receiver as a huge guy.

He's good.

Emmanuel Sanders is great.

He drops NOTHING. He runs AMAZING routes. I bet his target to reception rate is much higher than DT, too.

This is typical "DT is the bigger name so he's got to be the better receiver!" bullshit.

I have nothing attached to this race...if I thought DT was better, I'd say it. However, I don't think that...I've been nothing but amazed by Emmanuel this year. He's insanely good.

[Hootie]

Nah. He's a top 5 WR. He would have had 1200 yards and 10 TDs.


I was one of the people most excited in bringing him in too. But calling him a top anything WR is nuts. He's a good #2 and it would have been great to have him. But with any other QB in the league, he has 300-400 yards right now.

I, clearly, know way more about football than you.

Hypocrite.

[Hootie]

54 on 87 DT
57 on 76 Emmanuel

I knew it, too.

Emmanuel is better, more efficient, AND DROPS A HELL OF A LOT LESS PASSES.

[Hootie]

and, again, wtf do you know?! Demaryius leads the league!

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

Jesus.

This was too easy.

[Hootie]

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=Receiving&rank=232&year=

Please note:

NO EMMANUEL SANDERS

Dude is literally a top 5 WR but since he's not a big name and wasn't a 1st round pick people just naturally assume Demaryius Thomas is elite, and a top 5 WR ... when, the stone cold fact is, he's the 2nd best receiver on his team. And honestly, it's not even that close.

DT is good. He's an NFL #1. He's just not Emmanuel Sanders good.

[Hootie]

I have huge betting / fantasy interests in Denver so I literally watch just about ever game

I overdrafted Emmanuel in every league so I watch him intensely

he's amazing

[O.city]

Sanders is just built for that offense.

[ModSocks]

Sanders is just built for that offense.

Sanders is built for any offense.

The NFL and its fans are just infatuated with big, physical freakish specimens.

I prefer receivers like Sanders. Guys that have the quicks to get open within a few seconds.

[ModSocks]

Also, Thomas' bread and butter is that stupid WR screen that they throw to him ALL the goddamn time.

[Easy 6]

Sanders is built for any offense.

The NFL and its fans are just infatuated with big, physical freakish specimens.

I prefer receivers like Sanders. Guys that have the quicks to get open within a few seconds.

Agreed, I usually prefer those guys around 6 foot or under that are able to get in and out of their cuts much quicker due to their lower center of gravity... thats what Smith wants anyway, not one of those guys thats "open even when he's covered".

Smith prefers a little bit of separation.

Not that you dont need a big body or two in the receiver corp, but still.

[RunKC]

Sanders is built for any offense.

The NFL and its fans are just infatuated with big, physical freakish specimens.

I prefer receivers like Sanders. Guys that have the quicks to get open within a few seconds.

What are the 2015 free agent and draft options for these kind of players?

[Hootie]

I'm super infatuated with guys like Sanders and Jordy Nelson, for somewhat different reasons...

I've seen Sanders make about 5 WOW catches this year from Peyton. That dude NEVER drops anything. It's unbelievable.

[Mr. Laz]

Sanders is built for any offense.

The NFL and its fans are just infatuated with big, physical freakish specimens.

I prefer receivers like Sanders. Guys that have the quicks to get open within a few seconds.
agreed

give me the guys that create separation with each cut

a good OC can make those guys produce big

[O.city]

They went big with wrs when defenses were able to be physical. Now, give me the quick.

[RealSNR]

They went big with wrs when denser were able to be physical. Now, give me the quick.

I love how your typos sometimes make it impossible to understand WTF you're saying LMAO

[O.city]

I love how your typos sometimes make it impossible to understand WTF you're saying LMAO

I'm on my phone. Auto correct is dumb

[ThaVirus]

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=Receiving&rank=232&year=

Please note:

NO EMMANUEL SANDERS

Dude is literally a top 5 WR but since he's not a big name and wasn't a 1st round pick people just naturally assume Demaryius Thomas is elite, and a top 5 WR ... when, the stone cold fact is, he's the 2nd best receiver on his team. And honestly, it's not even that close.

DT is good. He's an NFL #1. He's just not Emmanuel Sanders good.


Dude, get off that.

That doesn't mean much. Antonio Brown is on that list. He and Emmanuel Sanders are basically the same guy, except Brown is TWICE as good. Brown is so fucking nasty it doesn't make any sense. I'd take him over Sanders 10/10 and so would any GM in the league.

[beach tribe]

Damn Dorsey looks like the Real Deal.

Loving what he has done in his time here.

[Hootie]

Brown is awesome, no doubt. Probably best receiver in the NFL including Calvin Johnson

[Hootie]

And I don't think drops mean a whole lot ... but DT drops a pass about once every game. And I watch since Emmanuel was my fantasy reach this year. I have yet to see Emmanuel drop a pass. So when comparing the two, it most certainly matters

[ThaVirus]

And I don't think drops mean a whole lot ... but DT drops a pass about once every game. And I watch since Emmanuel was my fantasy reach this year. I have yet to see Emmanuel drop a pass. So when comparing the two, it most certainly matters


Fair enough.

It also depends on what you mean by "more talented". AJ Jenkins is probably more talented than Donnie Avery but Avery is, and has been, clearly the better receiver thus far.

I'd say Dem Thomas is more talented because he's got a lot of things that Sanders could never have/be taught. You can't teach the kind of speed Demaryius has at his size. He's bigger, stronger and faster than Sanders. Sanders is quicker and has better hands.

[ThaVirus]

I drafted Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant early. Took a flyer on Emmanuel Sanders and Jeremy Maclin in later rounds.

LMAO Go figure.

[Hootie]

I traded Maclin for Spiller after two weeks !!!

[BigMeatballDave]

Brown is awesome, no doubt. Probably best receiver in the NFL including Calvin Johnson

No. Green is better than Brown.

[ThaVirus]

No. Green is better than Brown.


Not a fucking chance.

[ThaVirus]

Julio and Dez are both better than AJ anyway. Possibly Brandon Marshall too.

[Hootie]

It's all pretty subjective

[BigMeatballDave]

Not a fucking chance.

LMAO Okay

[-King-]

54 on 87 DT
57 on 76 Emmanuel

I knew it, too.

Emmanuel is better, more efficient, AND DROPS A HELL OF A LOT LESS PASSES.

An average season for both Sanders and Thomas:

Thomas: 59 receptions 918 yards 7 touchdowns and 15.6 yards per reception
Sanders: 43 receptions 563 yards 3 touchdowns and 12.9 yards per receptions


Yep, you're totally right. Other than Thomas averaging 400 more yards, 4 more touchdowns etc, Sanders is totally the best WR.

[BigMeatballDave]

Look at the numbers, Virus. They're pretty close.

Green has Dalton and Brown has Ben.

Of course, Green has missed some time this season.

[-King-]

And before you use the HE PLAYED WITH MANNING FOR THE PAST TWO SEASONS argument, remember that he also played with Tebow his first two years. Sanders has had a hall of famer throwing to him literally his whole career.

[Hootie]

And before you use the HE PLAYED WITH MANNING FOR THE PAST TWO SEASONS argument, remember that he also played with Tebow his first two years. Sanders has had a hall of famer throwing to him literally his whole career.
So one cannot develop as a receiver? They are at their ceiling the minute they step into the NFL?

[-King-]

So one cannot develop as a receiver? They are at their ceiling the minute they step into the NFL?

Sure they can, but when you match your highest season output in only 8 games, it's not you developing as a wide receiver. It's you playing with what hootie calls the best QB ever.

I mean, how come you aren't calling Eric Decker a top 10 WR also? Statistically last year through 8 games he had the same number of TDs and about 100 less yards than Sanders has now. If Sanders is top 5, Decker should be top 10.

[-King-]

I mean... right now Thomas has 109 more yards than Sanders, 2 more TDs, and averages about 3 more yards per catch. What the fuck is the argument here?

[ThaVirus]

Look at the numbers, Virus. They're pretty close.

Green has Dalton and Brown has Ben.

Of course, Green has missed some time this season.


Yeah, as Hootie said its all pretty subjective.

Green is obviously really good, as is Brown. I've just never been a fan of Green. I feel like he just runs go routes. It's impressive that he appears to be so one-dimensional and still so lethal, but I'd prefer a guy that could do it all. That's why I'd take a Dez Bryant or Julio Jones over him any day.

Still, I think Antonio Brown is playing better than any receiver in the league right now.