I can't believe this team passed on Derek Carr

[RunKC]

It's Raiders week and I really don't care about them that much. I hate their fans. I hate their stadium. I hate everything about them. But I'm jealous. I'm jealous of the Raiders for the second time in my entire life. The first was with Rich Gannon, who we threw away. We know the story and what they went on to do.

But this week I'm jealous of them for the second time in my life.
I can't believe that John Dorsey passed on a QB that reminds me a lot of what makes Aaron Rodgers good. Great arm. Great leadership. Great feet. Just needs coaching.

I'm looking back at the Senior Bowl last year and am seeing the following statements about this young man:

"Derek carr's velocity, especially in the gusty wind, was once again impressive. When it comes to arm strength, he really has no competition."

"Carr looked very athletic in an escape drill showcasing his impression footwork."

I saw tweets like this that made me appreciate him

@nfldraftscout: Derek Carr won me over at the Senior Bowl...where he stayed after practice every day to get extra reps with new WRs.

@ryanlownes: @JimmyKempski Ran routes for Derek Carr after practice every day at the Senior Bowl. No shortage of work ethic or competitiveness.

And then I remember us this tweet on the day of the draft:

@KanCityChiefFan: Mort: Kansas City Chiefs are a sleeper QB team in 2014 NFL Draft - Arrowhead Pride (blog) http://t.co/Pn0XVl203s

I thought this regime would be different. I really did. I didn't mind Alex as a stop gap while we developed a guy like GB did with Rodgers, but it's always the same with this franchise.

Now we have to watch the team we all hate with a good looking QB of the future that we should have drafted.
Such is life as a Chiefs fan..

[The Franchise]

But no one would win with this offensive line and WR corp. Am I right?

[the Talking Can]

you can't believe the Chiefs passed on a QB?


the only point of this franchise is to pass on QBs while fans celebrate....

[jd1020]

Alex Smith just wins.

[CoMoChief]

Seriously you can't believe it?

I sure as **** CAN believe it ....these are the Chiefs.

This coaching staff won't develop a franchise rookie first rd QB. Just like the previous regimes dating back 30 yrs.

I mean what part of that is surprising to people? 30 god damn yrs of the same shit. The last QB to win a game that was orig drafted by KC was Todd Blackledge. Let that sink in for a moment. He was drafted in '83....I was fucking born that year.

[Reerun_KC]

Carr, Tannehill, Foles, Cousins, the list goes on and on.....

CoMo said it best

[ping2000]

Even if we drafted him, he wouldn't be playing.

[KC_Lee]

Lest we forget KC took Donald Stephenson one pick before Russel Wilson. Because we're the Chiefs...

[jd1020]

Even if we drafted him, he wouldn't be playing.

Not this year. But he certainly would be next year. Alex doesn't get his terrible extension if the Chiefs drafted Carr or Bridgewater.

[ping2000]

Not this year. But he certainly would be next year. Alex doesn't get his terrible extension if the Chiefs drafted Carr or Bridgewater.


Chiefs. They would keep him on the bench for 4-5 years.

[RunKC]

Carr, Tannehill, Foles, Cousins, the list goes on and on.....

CoMo said it best

Actually we didn't pass on Tannehill

[RunKC]

Seriously you can't believe it?

I sure as **** CAN believe it ....these are the Chiefs.

This coaching staff won't develop a franchise rookie first rd QB. Just like the previous regimes dating back 30 yrs.

I mean what part of that is surprising to people? 30 god damn yrs of the same shit. The last QB to win a game that was orig drafted by KC was Todd Blackledge. Let that sink in for a moment. He was drafted in '83....I was ****ing born that year.

Reid and his history of McNabb sure fooled me thinking he would draft a Young QB.

[jd1020]

Reid and his history of McNabb sure fooled me thinking he would draft a Young QB.

But there wasn't a QB out there that could be trusted with throwing behind the LoS 80% of the time!

[Reerun_KC]

Actually we didn't pass on Tannehill

K sorry!

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Another loser dump off specialist. One good game in an awful season.

[R8RFAN]

http://media.giphy.com/media/RHiD0K65NxxLO/giphy.gif

[BigMeatballDave]

Fuck Oakland, but kudos to them for locating their QB. Kid looks like he might be pretty good.


Fuck Andy Reid for chaining us to Alex.

Yes, I'm on the hate train.

What of it?

[RealSNR]

Bridgewater >> Carr

But yeah. Chiefs and QBs, man.

[BigMeatballDave]

Another loser dump off specialist. One good game in an awful season.

Dump off? He averaged 9ypa.

[RunKC]

Bridgewater >> Carr

But yeah. Chiefs and QBs, man.

Add him to the list. Hell Garrappollo looked good when we saw him in KC. Fuck man.

[BeeHo]

http://famousmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/koala_cant_believe.jpg

[kcxiv]

Dump off? He averaged 9ypa.

Typical Chiefs fan has no idea what the fuck he's talking about lol

[lcarus]

Think there's any chance of Foles ending up in KC at some point as long as Andy sticks around?

[Eureka]

Hopefully the Chiefs take a 1st rd QB in the next few years.

One thing I thought Dorsey should/could have done is make a blockbuster trade to get over the hump (no playoff wins). Chiefs trade X X to acquire Mega-tron etc.

[BigMeatballDave]

Think there's any chance of Foles ending up in KC at some point as long as Andy sticks around?

Doubt it. I just don't see how Chunt would ever approve that.

[RunKC]

I want to see Aaron Murray. Took snaps under center all of college and can make the throws.

He looked good in preseason.

[In58men]

Alex Smith just wins.

He's been in the league for 7 fucking years he better have more wins than a 2nd round rookie. Stop being a dumb fuck

[LoneWolf]

Think there's any chance of Foles ending up in KC at some point as long as Andy sticks around?

He didn't really play that well before he was injured. Threw way too many interceptions.

[Hootie]

Wow. We're so desperate we're pining for Derek Carr. Give me a break.

[TimBone]

http://media.giphy.com/media/RHiD0K65NxxLO/giphy.gif
ROFL

[TimBone]

Wow. We're so desperate we're pining for Derek Carr. Give me a break.
Yeah...I understand the frustration with Alex, but this thread is a stretch.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Wow. We're so desperate we're pining for Derek Carr. Give me a break.

THIS

[In58men]

Wow. We're so desperate we're pining for Derek Carr. Give me a break.

We're desperate for a QB who can throw a pass further than 7 yards

[Frosty]

I'm not 100% sold on Carr yet but the Ford over Bridgewater thing pisses me off.

Speaking of being jealous of the Raiders, they get a high pick and get Mack (and Carr in the same draft). The Chiefs get a high pick and get Eric Fisher (and Smith). :(

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

We're desperate for a QB who can throw a pass further than 7 yards

That wouldn't be Carr.

He might be the 1st QB since Clausen to throw less than 10 yards per completion and 6 yards per attempt in the same season

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Dump off? He averaged 9ypa.

For one game, dumbass. Look at his season stats. Watch their games.

[Hootie]

We're desperate for a QB who can throw a pass further than 7 yards
Ok?

And Derek Carr would have solved that.

Lmao

[Hootie]

I'd still take Smith over both of those guys. I'd rather land an Aaron Rodgers or for fuck sake even a Tony Romo but unfortunately those don't grow on trees

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

I remember when CP crowned Bortles in the preseason too

[RunKC]

Ok?

And Derek Carr would have solved that.

Lmao

You can't deny he's looked good despite his terrible situation of being in Oakland.

[In58men]

You can't deny he's looked good despite his terrible situation of being in Oakland.


He's pissed off because Oakland out smarted us.

[jonzie04]

If we would have taken carr no one would have any idea what he could do. Half of you guys would have crowned him the second coming of jesus regardless. the other near half would have crowned him the next ryan leaf, due to his inability to beat out smith.

[RunKC]

Didn't Hootie say Rodgers was overrated?

Fuck you Hootie. I don't give a damn what you think about this thread

[Hootie]

You can't deny he's looked good despite his terrible situation of being in Oakland.
Yes I can. He's been terrible

[Hootie]

Didn't Hootie say Rodgers was overrated?

Fuck you Hootie. I don't give a damn what you think about this thread
I questioned his record in close games and asked if he was overrated. Try reading the thread.

[R8RFAN]

Vote Raiders QB Derek Carr for Pepsi NFL Rookie of the week! 22 of 28 for 254 yards and 3 TDs with a 140.2 passer rating. http://bit.ly/1GahL3Q

[hometeam]

Vote Raiders QB Derek Carr for Pepsi NFL Rookie of the week! 22 of 28 for 254 yards and 3 TDs with a 140.2 passer rating. http://bit.ly/1GahL3Q

I would, but it feels dirty.


Good kid though.

[Imon Yourside]

Alex Smiff Sucks, nuff' said..now back to your regularly scheduled CJ of those we don't have nor would we be using.

[notorious]

I think Carr will be a good one if things break the right way.


He is already light-years ahead of most QB's at this point in their career.

[Imon Yourside]

I don't really care about Carr, the real problem is we passed on sucking completely for Luck. I had some idiot Bears fan say he wishes his team had drafted Luck. He was the same a-hole giving me shit for wanting to suck for Luck saying i wasn't a true fan. FUCK HIM and fuck Da bears!

[BigMeatballDave]

I don't really care about Carr, the real problem is we passed on sucking completely for Luck. I had some idiot Bears fan say he wishes his team had drafted Luck. He was the same a-hole giving me shit for wanting to suck for Luck saying i wasn't a true fan. FUCK HIM and fuck Da bears!

Luck would have been awesome, but you're never going to convince players to tank for draft purposes.

[notorious]

Luck would have been awesome, but you're never going to convince players to tank for draft purposes.

That's why you take the decision out of their hands!

[Imon Yourside]

Luck would have been awesome, but you're never going to convince players to tank for draft purposes.

The Colts did a great job tanking for him.

[BigMeatballDave]

The Colts did a great job tanking for him.

LOL You saw who they had playing at QB.

I don't believe they threw games for him, nor do I think you can prove it.

Sure, management and ownership may secretly want it. I don't think coaches and players give a shit.

Also, do you think Caldwell was trying to lose? He was fucking fired after the season.

[Imon Yourside]

LOL You saw who they had playing at QB.

I don't believe they threw games for him, nor do I think you can prove it.

Sure, management and ownership may secretly want it. I don't think coaches and players give a shit.

Also, do you think Caldwell was trying to lose? He was ****ing fired after the season.

I don't think he was trying to lose the same way Romeo Crennel wasn't trying to lose..they knew what they had in him.

[Simply Red]

Dump off? He averaged 9ypa.

That guy types with his corn hole.

[BossChief]

I'd still take Smith over both of those guys. I'd rather land an Aaron Rodgers or for **** sake even a Tony Romo but unfortunately those don't grow on trees

If we have a "QB guru" as a head coach, we better utilize that by drafting someone for him to develop.

If bet good money we draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the 2015 draft.

Foles style.

[Eleazar]

I was advocating for Carr around last year's draft, but I was never under any illusion the team was going to pick a QB. Reid and Dorsey committed to Alex Smith and that is how it's going to be.

[KCwolf]

I was advocating for Carr around last year's draft, but I was never under any illusion the team was going to pick a QB. Reid and Dorsey committed to Alex Smith and that is how it's going to be.

unfortunately /thread

[RunKC]

If we have a "QB guru" as a head coach, we better utilize that by drafting someone for him to develop.

If bet good money we draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the 2015 draft.

Foles style.

Looking at this draft I don't see anyone worth a shit at QB.

[Gravedigger]

Every year this happens, we complain about not having a good QB situation and say "Why didn't we pick up *insert popular QB at the time* when we had the chance?!" Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, etc etc. Then the guy we chose last year doesnt' do as well the following season so we just pick another guy from last draft and say the same shit over and over again.

[notorious]

Every year this happens, we complain about not having a good QB situation and say "Why didn't we pick up *insert popular QB at the time* when we had the chance?!" Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, etc etc. Then the guy we chose last year doesnt' do as well the following season so we just pick another guy from last draft and say the same shit over and over again.

This.


Maybe the rest of the NFL will be saying,"Why didn't we draft Murray!?"


:D

[Saccopoo]

But no one would win with this offensive line and WR corp. Am I right?

Most likely, yes, you are correct.

[OnTheWarpath15]

If we have a "QB guru" as a head coach, we better utilize that by drafting someone for him to develop.

If bet good money we draft a QB in the first 3 rounds in the 2015 draft.

Foles style.

This idea that Andy is a QB guru is nonsense.

Combined numbers for QB starts in Philly under Andy Reid NOT named Donovan McNabb:

38-44 record (.463)
55% completion percentage
112 TD's
94 INT's
70 QBR.

And those numbers are inflated due to Vick, who was a #1 overall pick.

Take Vick out of the equation, and you're looking at a 20-28 record (.416) and a 61:64 TD:INT ratio.

Hopefully Donovan McNabb is getting royalties from Andy, because he's solely responsible for people thinking Reid is some sort of QB Whisperer.

[RunKC]

Andy is good at putting QB's in a position to succeed. He did it with Vick and he did it with Alex last year.

The problem is that Alex isn't taking advantage of the opportunities presented. We saw Sorter's picture. There are players open downfield. Andy can't teach confidence.

Put Carr in this offense and we see throws downfield and a WR TD. Alex has no balls.

[Sorter]

Andy is good at putting QB's in a position to succeed. He did it with Vick and he did it with Alex last year.

The problem is that Alex isn't taking advantage of the opportunities presented. We saw Sorter's picture. There are players open downfield. Andy can't teach confidence.

Put Carr in this offense and we see throws downfield and a WR TD. Alex has no balls.

To be fair to Alex, he's gotten the hell beaten out of him and has had to run for his life quite a bit.

[RealSNR]

This idea that Andy is a QB guru is nonsense.

Combined numbers for QB starts in Philly under Andy Reid NOT named Donovan McNabb:

38-44 record (.463)
55% completion percentage
112 TD's
94 INT's
70 QBR.

And those numbers are inflated due to Vick, who was a #1 overall pick.

Take Vick out of the equation, and you're looking at a 20-28 record (.416) and a 61:64 TD:INT ratio.

Hopefully Donovan McNabb is getting royalties from Andy, because he's solely responsible for people thinking Reid is some sort of QB Whisperer.

I seem to remember Jeff Garcia being a baller for the Eagles that one season, but maybe I'm confusing him JT O'Sullivan

[dls6501]

Even if we drafted him, he wouldn't be playing.

You dont know that.

Carr wasnt supposed to play in Oakland this year either. But he impressed enough in training camp that he won the job. And just going strictly on history, Carr would have probably been the starter from day 1 here too. (History being that Alex has lost every single QB competition he has ever been in, and lost to QBs that are widely considered to be terrible QBs.)

[dls6501]

We saw Sorter's picture. There are players open downfield.


link?

[Sorter]

link?

No.

[dls6501]

OK. :(

[Sorter]

OK. :(

You'll just want to gas a large group of baby llamas after you see them anyways.

[Chronic]

When Manning and Brady retire in 2-3 years Derek Carr will be a top 5 QB in the NFL- Kid has everything you want in a gunslinger. He's gonna be the next Drew Brees type QB. He's not gonna put up massive passing yards but he's gonna a top QB

I read the dude is like 11 of 14 in the redzone with tD's with a 104. rating.. no sacks or int's...

[dls6501]

You'll just want to gas a large group of baby llamas after you see them anyways.

True.....but I really would love to show them to a friend who is like the Sandy Cheeks of my offline life. He swears Alex is a product of his surroundings and would be a top 5-10 QB if he had better players around him.

[dls6501]

When Manning and Brady retire in 2-3 years Derek Carr will be a top 5 QB in the NFL- Kid has everything you want in a gunslinger. He's gonna be the next Drew Brees type QB. He's not gonna put up massive passing yards but he's gonna a top QB

I read the dude is like 11 of 14 in the redzone with tD's with a 104. rating.. no sacks or int's...

This doesnt mean anything to me. Friends who are 49er fans swear that Alex was amazing in the redzone as a 49er.....and he hasnt shown to be worth a damn since we got him.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I CAN'T BELIEVE THE CHIEFS DID THE SAME STUPID SHIT THEY'VE BEEN DOING SINCE I WAS BORN!

[BossChief]

Some of us are used to it to the point we expect the franchise to do dumb shit.

Here's an exercise...

Go back and look at all the quarterbacks that have been in the Super Bowl over the last 10 years or so.

Now realize we passed on almost all of them in the draft.

This team has drafted a punter in the third round, but hasn't drafted a quarterback in the first in over 30 years.

[RunKC]

It has to be their stubbornness to stay with Alex.

The guy had pro and spread experience. Looked amazing at the Senior Bowl. Great footwork, solid frame, elite caliber arm, very athletic for a QB and ran a 4.69, accurate throws and can throw all the passes, leader who works extremely hard.

That looks like Aaron Rodgers scouting report for Christ sakes.

[Saccopoo]

It has to be their stubbornness to stay with Alex.

The guy had pro and spread experience. Looked amazing at the Senior Bowl. Great footwork, solid frame, elite caliber arm, very athletic for a QB and ran a 4.69, accurate throws and can throw all the passes, leader who works extremely hard.

That looks like Aaron Rodgers scouting report for Christ sakes.

Holy shit Run...

Let it go man, let it go.

[Eureka]

Holy shit Run...

Let it go man, let it go.

I Don't blame him though. Atleast take a flyer on a 1st or 2nd rd QB sometime over the years! Maybe, Dorsey will get aggressive this next draft and make it happen but I doubt it after the Smith extension.

[Titty Meat]

Why wasn't this thread made after the Raiders lost 52-0

[Marcellus]

This idea that Andy is a QB guru is nonsense.

Combined numbers for QB starts in Philly under Andy Reid NOT named Donovan McNabb:

38-44 record (.463)
55% completion percentage
112 TD's
94 INT's
70 QBR.

And those numbers are inflated due to Vick, who was a #1 overall pick.

Take Vick out of the equation, and you're looking at a 20-28 record (.416) and a 61:64 TD:INT ratio.

Hopefully Donovan McNabb is getting royalties from Andy, because he's solely responsible for people thinking Reid is some sort of QB Whisperer.


McNabb was Reid's QB for 10 of 13 years Reid was a head coach before coming to KC.

Under Reid he had a borderline HOF career and after was total shit.

Kind of hard to put all of Reid's success on McNabb when Reid had some success without him, including when McNabb was hurt.

Kolb, Detmer, Feeley, and Garcia are all names that had some level of success in small doses.

I doubt you can find any team where back up QB's who played any resonable amount of time have winning numbers over a 13 year span. Isn't that why they are back ups?

Its a two way street anyway, no coach completely makes a QB or either way I don't think. It takes some greatness on both sides.

I know this and fact is I am not a huge Reid fan.

[Marcellus]

I CAN'T BELIEVE THE CHIEFS DID THE SAME STUPID SHIT THEY'VE BEEN DOING SINCE I WAS BORN!

Then die or go away, problem solved.

[Red Dawg]

There is nothing so far to suggest Carr is going to be a great player.

[Eureka]

There is nothing so far to suggest Carr is going to be a great player.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/12/10/derek-carr-franchise-qb-oakland-raiders/

[R8RFAN]

http://simmqb.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/derek-carr-960.jpg

[Pepe Silvia]

Raiders will win Super Bowl 52.

[keg in kc]

Can't believe the team that's passed on every qb for 30 years passed on a qb?

Okay then.

[ILChief]

Carr wasn't a first rounder so he wouldn't have counted

[ILChief]

This doesnt mean anything to me. Friends who are 49er fans swear that Alex was amazing in the redzone as a 49er.....and he hasnt shown to be worth a damn since we got him.

Actually he has been quite good in the red zone. The problem is we we rarely get there

[J Diddy]

I can't believe people bitch about the same old shit.


I believe that your vajayjay is filled with a thick mixture of blood and sand.

[DMAC]

Carr gets the start for my fantasy team this week.

[acesn8s]

It is going to take a Jeff George type QB for the fans to appreciate a QB like Smith. A big arm and a loser compared to weak arm and vying for a playoff spot. The Chiefs need a young talented QB, preferably a 1st rounder, to get to the Super Bowl. But they must improve this Oline as well. Their success depends on the offense. A good defense is needed but not more than offense.

[Chronic]

The Chiefs need a young talented QB, preferably a 1st rounder, to get to the Super Bowl. .

Well they aint gettin' it in the draft in April, they wont even have a shot at Hundley in rd 2

2016 doesn't look all that great for QB's

It'll be 3 more years before the Chiefs have a shot at a 1st rd potential star like Carr.. but just before you get ready to turn in your card when there's 15 seconds left as the prior team takes it down to the wire.. BAM!!!

Donkeys cockblock you and trade up and take your QB....

Get use to retread QB's the next 5 years... It's all ya got

[kcxiv]

get used of the retreads. For some reason whenever a coach/gm get a job for the Chiefs, they just turn full retard and think they can win it all with a retread quarterback.

NO other team in the NFL does this, Only the Chiefs. They are the only team that just refuses to draft a quarterback of the future.

[Hootie]

Carr fucking sucks. He will always fucking suck.

[ILChief]

I would have taken Bridgewater

[ILChief]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000288009/article/aaron-murray-will-be-middletolateround-steal-for-nfl-team

[Setsuna]

I remember when CP crowned Bortles in the preseason too

He's developing. Just wait.

[OldSchool]

He's developing. Just wait.

Yeah, just like Geno Smith and EJ Manuel were developing.

Bortles only had 1 game all year where he didn't throw at least 1 INT.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Yeah, just like Geno Smith and EJ Manuel were developing.

Bortles only had 1 game all year where he didn't throw at least 1 INT.

You have to take the chance and accept the growing pains. With the 2011 rookie contracts, there's no reason to be a gutless pussy anymore.

It's not the make or break investment it used to be.

[Hootie]

Has anyone, one time today, thought, "gee this Carr kid is gonna be something special!" No. He fucking sucks and his upside is, maybe, maybe, career backup. Maybe.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Incredible grace in the face of pressure. Tough as nails.

[Hootie]

Raiders better try again next draft.

[jd1020]

Carr's OL and WR's are just terrible. Put Aaron Rodgers in that situation and even he would look pedestrian!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Carr's OL and WR's are just terrible. Put Aaron Rodgers in that situation and even he would look pedestrian!

I'd be interested to see what he could do with Kelce, Bowe, and Avant.

[TimBone]

Has anyone, one time today, thought, "gee this Carr kid is gonna be something special!" No. He fucking sucks and his upside is, maybe, maybe, career backup. Maybe.
I've been thinking of this thread the whole game. I don't see it.

[lcarus]

Carr isn't ever gonna do sheet

[Hootie]

Carr's OL and WR's are just terrible. Put Aaron Rodgers in that situation and even he would look pedestrian!
Bullshit. Carr sucks.

[jd1020]

Bullshit. Carr sucks.

Not Carr's fault his FO can't surround him with talent! He has nothing to work with!!!

Starting to catch on, yet?

[Marcellus]

He is not impressive in any way today. Still a rookie though but I am not impressed.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Not Carr's fault his FO can't surround him with talent! He has nothing to work with!!!

Starting to catch on, yet?

:LOL:

[Simplicity]

I'm so pissed we passed on a steaming piece of shit that is related to David Carr.

[RunKC]

Carr's OL and WR's are just terrible. Put Aaron Rodgers in that situation and even he would look pedestrian!

Hootie obviously doesn't understand.

Same thing is happening to Rodgers today in Buffalo and he has 133 yards, 0 TD's and 2 INT's.

[ChiefsLV]

A good QB should make a shit OL and WRs better though. Chiefsplanet told me so. Oh apparently I'm not supposed to root for them anymore either, not until Reid, Dorsey, and Smith are gone.

[R8RFAN]

The same people who say Carr sucks are the same ones always calling for the bomb from Smiff LMAO

[Bwana]

I'd be interested to see what he could do with Kelce, Bowe, and Avant.

Continue to suck would be my guess Sweet Daddy.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Continue to suck would be my guess Sweet Daddy.

Eh, he was facing one of the better pass-rushes in the league.

[Hootie]

he did absolutely nothing today, or this year, that suggests to me he has room to improve. He is a limited QB with a nice arm and that's it. Whooohooo. Maybe Brodie can get him a job in real estate in a few years.

[RunKC]

Derek Carr stats the last 3 weeks: 6 TD's, 0 INT's, 98.1 QBR....2-1 record

Chiefs, 49ers and Bills are all top 10 defenses and Carr has jack shit to work with.

Go **** yourself Hootie. This kid looks damn good in that shithole called Oakland.

[Hootie]

Derek Carr is fucking awful.

Awful.

His QBR against KC was 14. 14.

Against Buffalo? 32. 32.

On the year? 40.

He is a god awful, terrible, no future QB.

[Hootie]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16757/derek-carr

He's not good, and he won't be good. Ever.

Alex Smith is 25 times the QB Derek Carr will ever be. And Alex Smith is ok at best.

What is with ChiefsPlanet and shit QB's?

This is the same website that didn't want Tony Romo to be a Chief ... but oggles over Derek fucking Carr.

[Hootie]

Dude was flat out atrocious against Buffalo, too. This is why cherry picking a stat sheet makes me laugh every time. They won despite QB play against Buffalo due to Buffalo having an absolutely horrendous offense as well.

Derek Carr has absolutely not potential to be a good starting NFL QB. None.

[Coogs]

Derek Carr is fucking awful.

Awful.

His QBR against KC was 14. 14.

Against Buffalo? 32. 32.

On the year? 40.

He is a god awful, terrible, no future QB.

When the CBS brass decided America had seen enough of the Cowboys/Colts game and mercifully swithced us to the Bills/Raiders game... sarasm intended... at least we saw Carr make a pass on 3rd and 22 that we know Smith would have checked down to a pass for no gain. :shrug:

[RunKC]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16757/derek-carr

He's not good, and he won't be good. Ever.

Alex Smith is 25 times the QB Derek Carr will ever be. And Alex Smith is ok at best.

What is with ChiefsPlanet and shit QB's?

This is the same website that didn't want Tony Romo to be a Chief ... but oggles over Derek ****ing Carr.

As a rookie Derek Carr has already thrown 20 TD's. Alex has done that once in his entire career.

You need to understand that Oakland has nobody. Their running game is bottom 10. Their receivers are bottom 10. Their OL is average.

[RunKC]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16757/derek-carr

He's not good, and he won't be good. Ever.

Alex Smith is 25 times the QB Derek Carr will ever be. And Alex Smith is ok at best.

What is with ChiefsPlanet and shit QB's?

This is the same website that didn't want Tony Romo to be a Chief ... but oggles over Derek ****ing Carr.

As a rookie Derek Carr has already thrown 20 TD's. Alex has done that once in his entire career.

You need to understand that Oakland has nobody. Their running game is bottom 10. Their receivers are bottom 10. Their OL is average. They have an interim shit coach.

Alex Smith had that year 1. Why don't you look at how he fared as a rookie in those circumstances.

[cosmo20002]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16757/derek-carr

He's not good, and he won't be good. Ever.

Alex Smith is 25 times the QB Derek Carr will ever be. And Alex Smith is ok at best.

What is with ChiefsPlanet and shit QB's?

This is the same website that didn't want Tony Romo to be a Chief ... but oggles over Derek ****ing Carr.

Sadness and desperation

[Snapplez]

Dude was flat out atrocious against Buffalo, too. This is why cherry picking a stat sheet makes me laugh every time. They won despite QB play against Buffalo due to Buffalo having an absolutely horrendous offense as well.

Derek Carr has absolutely not potential to be a good starting NFL QB. None.

I wonder if you ever get tired of bein wrong

[Hootie]

I don't need to understand anything. Oakland is terrible because their QB is terrible. If Carr was good, he'd pass some sort of eye test. But he doesn't. Not one. They purposely cater their gameplan to give him safe passes and try and make sure he doesn't lose the game ... and he still fucking sucks.

He has 20 TDs with a whopping 40 QBR. 40.

And how many times has he gotten to play totally meaningless 4th quarters due to being down my an insurmountable amount?

This website cracks me up.

NO TO TONY ROMO!!!!

YES TO DEREK CARR!!!!

Awful.

[Wildcat2005]

With the exception of the Chiefs FO, I don't think there is anyone that take Smith over Carr straight up
He has all the physical tools and unlike Alex the willingness to throw the ball down the field

Surprising Reid, who is supposed to be a qb guru, settled on such a limited player
It would be interesting what Reid could do with Carr

There really isn't a single player on Oakland's offense except for maybe Murray who is considered even an average NFL player
Tough to judge a rookie on a horrible team
I mean he has 20 TDs to 11 picks

For a rookie that is actually solid

[Hootie]

I wonder if you ever get tired of bein wrong

about Derek Carr?

haha

Right.

He makes Alex Smith look like Aaron Rodgers.

[bwisnasky]

Interesting... for the year Alex is ranked 23rd with a 49.4 QBR.... with possibly the best running back that is totally underutilized by a coach that has never understood how to use a running back and a defense that played over their head for half the year to help him out... oh and he's also been in the league for 9 years now... and been around long enough to see plenty....

and Carr is a rookie, playing with NO running game for most of the year, and a defense that was shady at best... and he ranks 26th with a QBR of 40.9....

So, I guess you could say that Alex has been marginally better than Carr this year, but given Carr's modicum of success as a rookie, I am pretty optimistic he can grow more into the role of a franchise QB, than hanging onto a guy that has been the greatest game manager of the past decade, but can't throw accurately past 20 yards....

Oh, and both receiving corps are sh*t, so that's a wash....

[ChiefsLV]

You need to understand that Oakland has nobody. Their running game is bottom 10. Their receivers are bottom 10. Their OL is average.

So you're saying they have better receivers and a better OL than the Chiefs. ;)

[Hootie]

I am so tired of Alex Smith and Alex Smith football but I would take Alex Smith 125 times out of 100 over Derek fucking Carr.

Do any of you morons really think the Raiders won't draft Mariota or Winston if they get a chance?

Carr is a lame duck shitty ass QB that provided the Raiders the opportunity to potentially get a real franchise QB.

Carr has less long term upside than Mark Sanchez.

Derek Carr is a borderline QB2 on a few teams, maybe, at best.

[Hootie]

have any of you assholes actually watched Derek Carr this year LMAO

You keep posting these stats (which are garbage) and I suppose no one has seen how absolutely terrible he is.

you guys are giving Derek Carr the Alex Smith treatment ... so one guy gets all of these excuses (no weapons around him) but the other guy gets none

****NEWSFLASH****

GOOD QB PLAY MAKES EVERYTHING AROUND THEM BETTER. EVERYTHING. RUNNING GAME. RECEIVERS. OL.

The reason the Raiders suck on offense is because their QB totally sucks. He is one of the 2 or 3 worst starting QB's in the NFL.

[Dayze]

the good news for oakland is Carr is young, and is basically Alex Smith stat-wise but with a potentially much higher ceiling. but we know Alex sucks, with no hope of improvement. and that's what kills me.

[Hootie]

Derek Carr is nothing like Alex Smith. At all. It's a terrible comparison. They both play the position completely differently.

I do know that Derek Carr sucks. He has a backup QB ceiling in the NFL.

I hope he remains the Raiders starter for years and years and years.

[Snapplez]

Derek Carr is nothing like Alex Smith. At all. It's a terrible comparison. They both play the position completely differently.

I do know that Derek Carr sucks. He has a backup QB ceiling in the NFL.

I hope he remains the Raiders starter for years and years and years.

Drownin in irony LMAO

[Dave Lane]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/16757/derek-carr

He's not good, and he won't be good. Ever.

Alex Smith is 25 times the QB Derek Carr will ever be. And Alex Smith is ok at best.

What is with ChiefsPlanet and shit QB's?

This is the same website that didn't want Tony Romo to be a Chief ... but oggles over Derek ****ing Carr.

OK lets not be stupid here. Carrs future ceiling is about 300 times greater than Smiths. He could still bust but he looks pretty good with a team full of absolute epic trash around him.

[Hootie]

Drownin in irony LMAO

feel free to elaborate

[Dayze]

The thing for me is....Carr's future is yet to be written. Bust/garbage? Possibly. But Smith is a known commodity at this point. what you see is what you get.

which is why, for me personally, I'd move on from Smith after this season. It's not as if he's going to some how 'get it' all of a sudden and light the world on fire.

am I saying I would rather have Carr? No. I'm just saying that what the Raiders are going through is something that I will likely never see in my lifetime - drafting a QB, letting him play to figure out what he is. the Chiefs don't deal with such risk, and likely never will.

IMO

[Hootie]

Smith is our 2015 starter. No doubt.

We do need to start drafting QB's early and often.

[Dayze]

affirmative.

[RunKC]

I don't need to understand anything. Oakland is terrible because their QB is terrible. If Carr was good, he'd pass some sort of eye test. But he doesn't. Not one. They purposely cater their gameplan to give him safe passes and try and make sure he doesn't lose the game ... and he still ****ing sucks.

He has 20 TDs with a whopping 40 QBR. 40.

And how many times has he gotten to play totally meaningless 4th quarters due to being down my an insurmountable amount?

This website cracks me up.

NO TO TONY ROMO!!!!

YES TO DEREK CARR!!!!

Awful.

Jets
Seahawks
Chargers (in Oakland)

Those three games they were in bc of Carr.

Then he beats us, SF and BUF.

Anyone who thinks Alex is better than Carr right now is a fucking retarded mongoloid.

[WhiteWhale]

Jets
Seahawks
Chargers (in Oakland)

Those three games they were in bc of Carr.

Then he beats us, SF and BUF.

Anyone who thinks Alex is better than Carr right now is a ****ing retarded mongoloid.

He threw for 151 yards on 32 attempts (less than 5 yards per attempt) against the Jets. Firstly, the Jets suck. Second, the team scored 14 points.

Against Seattle he threw for 194 yards on 41 attempts and threw two picks.
Again, that's less than 5 yards per attempt.

He played very well against the Chargers.

So Carr played well in one of those games. In the other two he was pretty bad and put up very Alex Smithian numbers.

Against KC he, again, averaged less than 5 yards per attempt. He had 174 yards on 35 attempts. I'll credit him for that final drive, but he didn't play that well. Kc put a clown suit on him a few weeks later.

He played excellent against the 49ers and played pretty well against Buffalo.

So he played well in half of the games you cited. In the other half, CP would have destroyed him for his unspectacular play and likely would have directly blamed him for the loss.

I like Carr's upside and I don't even want Alex on the team next year, but Carr isn't as good as you seem to think yet. Having said that, I liked Bridgewater and wanted KC to draft him.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Carr is a turd. Small turd since he is a rook but a turd nonetheless

[Hootie]

anyone who thinks Derek Carr is better, right now, than Alex Smith isn't allowed to have an opinion on football any longer

[Jiu Jitsu Jon]

I don't need to understand anything. Oakland is terrible because their QB is terrible. If Carr was good, he'd pass some sort of eye test. But he doesn't. Not one. They purposely cater their gameplan to give him safe passes and try and make sure he doesn't lose the game ... and he still ****ing sucks.

He has 20 TDs with a whopping 40 QBR. 40.

And how many times has he gotten to play totally meaningless 4th quarters due to being down my an insurmountable amount?

This website cracks me up.

NO TO TONY ROMO!!!!

YES TO DEREK CARR!!!!

Awful.

What are you talking about? Eye test? 20 TD, 11 INT, 3,000 yds? Not bad for a 1st year rookie on one of currently the worst teams in the NFL. You know what, even other chiefs fans on here think you're ridiculous. I'll just leave it at that.

[Hootie]

a stat sheet isn't an eye test dipfuck

watch the kid play

he fucking sucks

enjoy another 3 wins next year LMAO

[kcxiv]

a stat sheet isn't an eye test dip****

watch the kid play

he ****ing sucks

enjoy another 3 wins next year LMAO

we will get 7 or 8. How awesome is that!

[R8RFAN]

Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers against Buffalo's four-man rush: 50.0 completion percentage, 6.1 yards per attempt, three interceptions. Derek Carr: 68.2 completion percentage, 9.2 yards per attempt, touchdown, no picks.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers against Buffalo's four-man rush: 50.0 completion percentage, 6.1 yards per attempt, three interceptions. Derek Carr: 68.2 completion percentage, 9.2 yards per attempt, touchdown, no picks.

You fucking dumbass.

50%
6.3 YPA

Carr fucking sucks.

[King_Chief_Fan]

anyone who thinks Derek Carr is better, right now, than Alex Smith isn't allowed to have an opinion on football any longer
I love Hooties take on the situation.
idiots keep making claims and Hootie keeps schooling them:clap:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I love Hooties take on the situation.
idiots keep making claims and Hootie keeps schooling them:clap:

Hootie couldn't school a mouse to run on a wheel for cheese.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Carr is not special. Yet.

That said, he shows much more promise than the aged Spleen Manager.

[Valiant]

I love Hooties take on the situation.
idiots keep making claims and Hootie keeps schooling them:clap:

I think Carr has a decent shot at being good if he were not in Oakland.

He is putting up decent numbers as a rookie on a shit team with worse WRs than KC and virtually no running game. The fact his TD to Int ratio is where it is at is impressive. His ypa will go up..


Thankfully Oakland will never build around him or draft another QB.. I do not understand the hate.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

I think Carr has a decent shot at being good if he were not in Oakland.

He is putting up decent numbers as a rookie on a shit team with worse WRs than KC and virtually no running game. The fact his TD to Int ratio is where it is at is impressive. His ypa will go up..


Thankfully Oakland will never build around him or draft another QB.. I do not understand the hate.

It's not that his YPA/YPC is low, it's that they historically bad. We haven't seen those type of numbers since guys like Clausen and Quinn. Not even Ponder or Gabbert. Hootie is correct when he mentions that Carr can't run a real offense efficiently.

[Valiant]

It's not that his YPA/YPC is low, it's that they historically bad. We haven't seen those type of numbers since guys like Clausen and Quinn. Not even Ponder or Gabbert. Hootie is correct when he mentions that Carr can't run a real offense efficiently.

Run it with what?? KU has more offensive talent than the Raiders..

[MahiMike]

Russell Wilson is the one that got away. From everyone.

[Jimmya]

Agreed on Wilson, but Fat Andy may have screwed him up anyway.

[rabblerouser]

Seriously you can't believe it?

I sure as **** CAN believe it ....these are the Chiefs.

This coaching staff won't develop a franchise rookie first rd QB. Just like the previous regimes dating back 30 yrs.

I mean what part of that is surprising to people? 30 god damn yrs of the same shit. The last QB to win a game that was orig drafted by KC was Todd Blackledge. Let that sink in for a moment. He was drafted in '83....I was ****ing born that year.


Let's not forget - the Chiefs didn't draft Lenny D either. He bounced around the league for a while, wasn't he cut by Pittsburg in like '59??

The Chiefs have NEVER drafted a QB.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Derek Carr finished with the lowest YPC in 6 years! Lower than Croyle! Think of all of the terrible QBs to exist since 2009! You'd think he'd be completing 65% of his passes with such a dump off rate, but it's 58%.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

You don't see guys finishing below 10 YPC or 6 YPA very often. Carr did both with a half yard to spare in each respective category! Loser QB

[R8RFAN]

With our WR'S.... those stats are HOF worthy

[Predarat]

I still can't believe they chose Elvis Grbac over Rich Gannon.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

With our WR'S.... those stats are HOF worthy

At least they are the correct numbers, you illiterate fuck.

[R8RFAN]

At least they are the correct numbers, you illiterate ****.

You are such a bitter little man LMAO

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

You are such a bitter little man LMAO

It's ok. Sometimes I get obliterated, beat my wife, molest my kids and make up stats regarding Derek Carr too.

[Reerun_KC]

It's ok. Sometimes I get obliterated, beat my wife, molest my kids and make up stats regarding Derek Carr too.
You should probably seek professional help. At least for you r children.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

You should probably seek professional help. At least for you r children.

As long as it's not during NASCAR season.

[Over-Head]

Carr ****ing sucks.

And KC has soooooo much better history with QB's .
Not like you bunch ever picked up a bad one, or kept worse than YA let go.

[dannybcaitlyn]

I think the the kid is going to be good. One trait I did like was that he always kept his eyes down field when facing pressure.

[Valiant]

Let's not forget - the Chiefs didn't draft Lenny D either. He bounced around the league for a while, wasn't he cut by Pittsburg in like '59??

The Chiefs have NEVER drafted a QB.

If I remember correctly. No QB ever drafted by the chiefs has won a playoff game or been selected to the probowl.

[Hammock Parties]

You don't see guys finishing below 10 YPC or 6 YPA very often.

Alex Smith is working on it this year. ROFL

Alex Smith's current 9.8 YPC is one of the lowest marks in the NFL over the last 10 seasons. Only a few QBs have been worse:

Ryan Mallett (9.8), Derek Carr (9.4), Christian Ponder (9.8), Brady Quinn (9.8), Ryan Fitzpatrick (8.6), Brodie Croyle (9.7), Charlie Frye (9.7), Bruce Gradkowski (9.4), David Carr (9.2)

[Hammock Parties]

Derek Carr is fucking awful.

He is a god awful, terrible, no future QB.



He's not good, and he won't be good. Ever.

Alex Smith is 25 times the QB Derek Carr will ever be.



ROFL

Wow. Hootie fail.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dude hasn't accomplished anything yet.

[Hammock Parties]

Dude hasn't accomplished anything yet.

Yeah, and he'll be 33 next summer. Better get moving.

[RealSNR]

Think there's any chance of Foles ending up in KC at some point as long as Andy sticks around?

Why, yes, there's a strong possibility of that, lcarstradamus :D

[SAUTO]

Alex Smith is working on it this year. ROFL

Carr on that list too

[Hammock Parties]

Carr on that list too

Yeah AS A ROOKIE.

Welcome to 2016, where Derek Carr is a stud and Alex Smith is a dud.

[Hammock Parties]

Derek Carr 'surgeon-like' in fourth quarter (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000717151/article/del-rio-derek-carr-surgeonlike-in-fourth-quarter)

Doctor Carr will see you now.

After the Raiders secured a victory over Baltimore with another fourth-quarter comeback, Derek Carr started to earn his fair share of praise. The third-year starter earned confidence from coach Jack Del Rio ("Smart, tough and accurate") and was deemed the second coming by the franchise's premier defensive player.

"DC is the chosen one," Khalil Mack told CSN Bay Area. "He did it again. He pulled it out for us. Defensively, we wanted to be sure we held it out for them at the end."

We're not sure who has chosen Carr to be the Raiders' saving grace, but fans in the Black Hole are happy just knowing that their franchise chose the quarterback back in 2014. This season, Carr has outperformed all of his fellow draft-day quarterbacks (Blake Bortles, Jimmy Garoppolo, Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel) and has developed into one of the great late-game field generals.

Carr's six game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime since 2015 lead the league. His four touchdown passes in the final three minutes of a win is also a league best. Two of those drives and touchdowns have come this season against the Saints and Ravens, and has Carr's coach searching for new ways to describe his poise.

"I think it's really everything with Derek," Del Rio said, per ESPN. "I think he is super competitive. He is a guy that is very well-prepared. He's really, I think, taken a step forward in terms of emotional control, the poise to be, kind of, surgeon-like and just be accurate with the ball and let his playmakers do their thing."

Carr's steady hands and leadership in tense moments have allowed the young quarterback to make the leap from inaccurate rookie to evasive veteran. Despite Oakland's close wins, Carr has thrown just one interception in his 153 attempts this year and has only been sacked twice. His mobility in the pocket and eye for his receivers, especially Michael Crabtree, keeps the play, and the game, alive for the Raiders.

For the "surgeon-like" Carr, the difference hasn't been his appreciation of the Hippocratic oath -- to heal this ailing Raiders franchise -- but rather Del Rio's hands-off approach.

"I still feel that I can go out there and make all of the throws, make every play, and I'm just learning that I don't have to do that," Carr added. "We have a great weapon with our punter (Marquette King). We have a great weapon with our defense. When we've needed them, they've come up big.

"So, I needed to learn last year that I don't have to make every play, and I think that alone right there took so much stress off me when coach Del Rio said, 'Hey man, you don't have to do it all by yourself. We're going to help you.'"

[New World Order]

RunKC has immunity from any further criticism after this.

[Hammock Parties]

I'm moving from disappointment to anger over the fact we passed on this guy FOR DEE FUCKING FORD!!!!

AND HE'S A RAIDER

A RAIDER

:facepalm:

[New World Order]

It's not like he's winning games that are 17-14. He's actually going out there and putting up points. Three of their four wins have been against opponents that have scored 27 or more.

Pretty damn good.

[Hammock Parties]

Three of their four wins have been against opponents that have scored 27 or more.


4-37-1

or

6-15

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Carr looks pretty damn good.

But they're losing next Sunday.

[Ming the Merciless]

Yes I can. He's been terrible

Lol.

This solidifies carr will be going to the pro bowl the next 5 seasons

[New World Order]

4-37-1

or

6-15


5-6 if you don't include his rookie year.

[Hammock Parties]

Carr looks pretty damn good.

But they're losing next Sunday.

The Chiefs are walking into a buzzsaw.

I don't see any way they come out of Oakland without being embarrassed.

The Raiders passing game is almost as productive as Pittsburgh's, but their OL is better, as are their corners.

Carr is just going to sit back and pick us apart. Alex won't keep up.

[NWTF]

The Chiefs are walking into a buzzsaw.

I don't see any way they come out of Oakland without being embarrassed.

The Raiders passing game is almost as productive as Pittsburgh's, but their OL is better, as are their corners.

Carr is just going to sit back and pick us apart. Alex won't keep up.

This is a big game for Reid and Alex, their redemption game with 2 weeks to prepare. Raiders are due for a loss . I think the Chiefs win this one. They will play play focused and motivated to avenge the Pittsburgh beat down. I think the D will get to Carr. Carr will still put up some points, but the Raider D will give up more.

Now dont get me wrong. This is probably the last year in the foreseeable the Chiefs might still be better than the Raiders. Hell, the Raiders may have already surpassed them this season when its all said and done. The Raiders just have to improve their D and they are legit contenders with a franchise QB not even in his prime. The Chiefs need to do that too, but also need to find a legit QB if they ever really want to be real contenders. If they're fine with .500ish ball and one and dones in the wild card round then Alex is the right man for the job.

I still think the Chiefs win Sunday but the tide has turned.

[Nickhead]

the chiefs should tamper with carr as his new contract comes about. i would take the three draft pick and fine hit. :D

[scho63]

I see us getting smacked all over like that awful game on Monday night they kicked our ass.

I thing Alex gets sacked 4+ times.

[Valiant]

Carr was the one I was pushing for. I have been following him because of all of his tutelage from his brother on not what to do. Had amazing first year, followed by decent 2nd year. Now it seems he is turning the corner. And I am sad, because he should of been ours, but as usual we handcuffed ourselves to a retread free agent and never gave him actual competition.

All the whatifs from this, but more than likely he would of still been on the practice squad.

I wonder if there is a consensus from draft eligible qbs knowing they dont want the chiefs to draft you. If there are probably a chiefs fan. I would say we are Cleveland level when it comes to notary on qb development.

[R8RFAN]

Raiders got sooooo sooo lucky to be able to get Mack with their first pick and Carr with their second... I could not believe Carr would still be there ... Granted I had no idea he would be this good either... One of my favorite QB's on the Raiders was Bruce Gradkowski... Carr reminds me of a more polished Gradkowski... I am far less worried about 50 yard big plays from the Chiefs than I am with Rivers but I am concerned about Kelce a bit eating us up... I don't expect the Chiefs to be able to handle our WR's or get to Carr with much pressure. The Cheaps are successful but you guys have to be the most boring team in the NFL ...

Somebody start a Raiders Week Thread

[Jiu Jitsu Jon]

Raiders got sooooo sooo lucky to be able to get Mack with their first pick and Carr with their second... I could not believe Carr would still be there ... Granted I had no idea he would be this good either... One of my favorite QB's on the Raiders was Bruce Gradkowski... Carr reminds me of a more polished Gradkowski... I am far less worried about 50 yard big plays from the Chiefs than I am with Rivers but I am concerned about Kelce a bit eating us up... I don't expect the Chiefs to be able to handle our WR's or get to Carr with much pressure. The Cheaps are successful but you guys have to be the most boring team in the NFL ...

Somebody start a Raiders Week Thread

Carr sucks. Rudy, Hootie, & Fruity said so.

[Coochie liquor]

Carr was the one I was pushing for. I have been following him because of all of his tutelage from his brother on not what to do. Had amazing first year, followed by decent 2nd year. Now it seems he is turning the corner. And I am sad, because he should of been ours, but as usual we handcuffed ourselves to a retread free agent and never gave him actual competition.

All the whatifs from this, but more than likely he would of still been on the practice squad.

I wonder if there is a consensus from draft eligible qbs knowing they dont want the chiefs to draft you. If there are probably a chiefs fan. I would say we are Cleveland level when it comes to notary on qb development.

I don't think any qb is concerned that KC will draft them. They havent shown the desire to do that in decades and decades.

[lawrenceRaider]

I just want to thank the Chiefs along with all the other QB needy teams like the Texans who passed on Carr. After a decade in the QB wilderness it's a great feeling to not have to worry about the QB in a Raiders uniform.

[lcarus]

Why, yes, there's a strong possibility of that, lcarstradamus :D

Lol

[R8RFAN]

Carr sucks. Rudy, Hootie, & Fruity said so.
:D
I just want to thank the Chiefs along with all the other QB needy teams like the Texans who passed on Carr. After a decade in the QB wilderness it's a great feeling to not have to worry about the QB in a Raiders uniform.

They are really nice guys.... Thanks from me too Cheaps..

[kcchiefsus]

The Chiefs are a shitty franchise, and it starts from the very top. We don't have the balls (and likely never will) to go out and get a real quarterback.

[R8RFAN]

The Chiefs are a shitty franchise, and it starts from the very top. We don't have the balls (and likely never will) to go out and get a real quarterback.

It surprised me when they got Smith when they basically had a slightly lesser Smith in Casserole

[Anyong Bluth]

When a team hasn't taken a QB in the 1st round since 1983, saying I can't believe they passed on "x" QB seems incongruous with the fact pattern.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Do people even realize how easy of a schedule Carr has played? 4 out of games against teams with well below average pass defenses. Wait until he plays Denver x2, Bills, Chiefs x2, Texans and see where he really is...

Same story as last year, people were raving about him, then they re-looked at his games against top half pass defenses where his QBR was below 40.

[Reerun_KC]

Do people even realize how easy of a schedule Carr has played? 4 out of games against teams with well below average pass defenses. Wait until he plays Denver x2, Bills, Chiefs x2, Texans and see where he really is...

Same story as last year, people were raving about him, then they re-looked at his games against top half pass defenses where his QBR was below 40.

That story sound eerie familiar with Alex and Reid...

Creepy, like the twilight zone type of creepy.

[Anyong Bluth]

Do people even realize how easy of a schedule Carr has played? 4 out of games against teams with well below average pass defenses. Wait until he plays Denver x2, Bills, Chiefs x2, Texans and see where he really is...

Same story as last year, people were raving about him, then they re-looked at his games against top half pass defenses where his QBR was below 40.
Didn't he get out of the gates quickly last year and play well before pooping the bed down to stretch of the 2nd half of the season?

[Chromatic]

The Chiefs are walking into a buzzsaw.

I don't see any way they come out of Oakland without being embarrassed.

The Raiders passing game is almost as productive as Pittsburgh's, but their OL is better, as are their corners.

Carr is just going to sit back and pick us apart. Alex won't keep up.

Did you really start a thread in the Raiders subreddit begging them to crush us this Sunday?

You're committed. Fair play I guess.

https://redd.it/56qn4z

[Coochie liquor]

Do people even realize how easy of a schedule Carr has played? 4 out of games against teams with well below average pass defenses. Wait until he plays Denver x2, Bills, Chiefs x2, Texans and see where he really is...

Same story as last year, people were raving about him, then they re-looked at his games against top half pass defenses where his QBR was below 40.

Chiefs pass D is bad. Not sure if you noticed but they got torched last game.

[New World Order]

Did you really start a thread in the Raiders subreddit begging them to crush us this Sunday?

You're committed. Fair play I guess.

https://redd.it/56qn4z



LMAO

[Chromatic]

Cold blooded.

http://i.imgur.com/1gyWLJQ.png

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Chiefs pass D is bad. Not sure if you noticed but they got torched last game.

They started a rookie against Pitt and had a non-existent pass rush. We'll come out of the bye week different. Houston coming back will restore their potential. Also, they're still in the top third...it's our run defense that is the true problem. http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYardsPerGame/position/defense

[Hammock Parties]

Did you really start a thread in the Raiders subreddit begging them to crush us this Sunday?

You're committed. Fair play I guess.

https://redd.it/56qn4z

http://67.media.tumblr.com/4264c9f3dc6eb03b660103eaca9a2a3e/tumblr_mvbeinFEvL1shmc7eo4_500.gif

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[RobBlake]

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lmao, you're fucking fool man hah

[Bowser]

I chuckled at "Reidiocrity".

But as to the rest, come on now.

[RobBlake]

Do people even realize how easy of a schedule Carr has played? 4 out of games against teams with well below average pass defenses. Wait until he plays Denver x2, Bills, Chiefs x2, Texans and see where he really is...

Same story as last year, people were raving about him, then they re-looked at his games against top half pass defenses where his QBR was below 40.

that only makes sense if majority of other Qbs are having great games, leading their teams back from being down and has his team on the verge of being 5-1

[Chief Pagan]

that only makes sense if majority of other Qbs are having great games, leading their teams back from being down and has his team on the verge of being 5-1

Doesn't every other QB make a comeback against SD?

[RunKC]

Yeah I'm still pissed we passed on Carr. What makes this worse is that we were gonna draft him "but we had Alex" from what Andy said at the pro bowl.

[Anyong Bluth]

Chiefs pass D is bad. Not sure if you noticed but they got torched last game.
And Pittsburgh's offense is TURRIBLE!

[InChiefsHeaven]

And Pittsburgh's offense is TURRIBLE!

I get it, but you can't compete with the upper echelon playing like that...

[New World Order]

Yeah I'm still pissed we passed on Carr. What makes this worse is that we were gonna draft him "but we had Alex" from what Andy said at the pro bowl.


Oh god he said that?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Even with all the talent around Carr you have to consider the team is going to be heavily dismantled when you have players moving up to veteran contracts by 2018: Carr, Donald Penn, Khalil mack, Justin Ellis, lat Murray, Gabe Jackson, Rivera. They are ****ed.

[Hammock Parties]

Even with all the talent around Carr you have to consider the team is going to be heavily dismantled when you have players moving up to veteran contracts by 2018: Carr, Donald Penn, Khalil mack, Justin Ellis, lat Murray, Gabe Jackson, Rivera. They are ****ed.

The Raiders have plenty of cap room though.

The Chiefs cap situation is horrible.

[Reerun_KC]

Even with all the talent around Carr you have to consider the team is going to be heavily dismantled when you have players moving up to veteran contracts by 2018: Carr, Donald Penn, Khalil mack, Justin Ellis, lat Murray, Gabe Jackson, Rivera. They are ****ed.

Like every team every year.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

The Raiders have plenty of cap room though.

The Chiefs cap situation is horrible.

Explain... Instead of talking out of your ass. You aren't a Chiefs fan and it's pathetic you haven't been banned by now

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Like every team every year.

When carr's salary increases by at least 14 fold in 2018, how exactly does EVERY team face the same predicament...??

[Hammock Parties]

Explain... Instead of talking out of your ass.

It's well documented how the Chiefs are going to have to choose between Poe and Berry going forward.

Next offseason is really bad. Currently, we have less than $300,000 in cap space for 2017.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

Meanwhile, the Raiders will have $42 million in cap room next season.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/oakland-raiders/

The Raiders are going to be just fine.

The Chiefs have no money and an aging QB who can't do shit.

[Hammock Parties]

When carr's salary increases by at least 14 fold in 2018, how exactly does EVERY team face the same predicament...??

Why are you even talking about 2018?

Neither you or Alex Smith will be part of the Chiefs world.

[ThaVirus]

Fuck me, we're in bad shape moving forward.

I'm slowly edging toward the "let everyone walk" camp.

Financially speaking, Berry, DJ, Hali and Charles should all be let go this offseason. Bailey is dangerously close to becoming a surprise cut and I'm just not sure about Poe's back.. But that's just too many holes to fill in one offseason.

Man.. What are we going to do?

[Hammock Parties]

Man.. What are we going to do?

If we cut Dustin Colquitt, Jamaal Charles and Nick Foles we can clear $21 million in cap space.

Then we have to sign Santos, Poe and Berry.

[ThaVirus]

If we cut Dustin Colquitt, Jamaal Charles and Nick Foles we can clear $21 million in cap space.

Then we have to sign Santos, Poe and Berry.

Nice, forgot about Colquitt. He's got to go.

Isn't Foles on a 1-year deal? Or his second year has some crazy spike in cap hit or something..?

And when can we efficiently cut Alex?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Why are you even talking about 2018?

Neither you or Alex Smith will be part of the Chiefs world.

If you had a brain you would be able to extrapolate that Carrs cap hit becomes substantial which means other positions will suffer and the raiders will have to gamble on the next two drafts to alleviate major voids in order to retain him. Just like Seattle had to part ways with many key players over the last two seasons as pro bowlers moved on to veteran contracts. Even Khalil will become a 14 million a year hit as he's currently paid a third of his value on the veteran market.

The difference is, Oakland doesn't draft nearly as well as Seattle/Carroll. Raiders have thru next year to make a move, then all hell breaks loose

[Hammock Parties]

Isn't Foles on a 1-year deal? Or his second year has some crazy spike in cap hit or something..?

Yes, hence we can save 10 mil by cutting him outright or a few mil by resigning him to something reasonable.


And when can we efficiently cut Alex?

2018, but probably not happening, c'mon

[Hammock Parties]

Raiders have thru next year to make a move, then all hell breaks loose

Meanwhile the Chiefs will be rebuilding again. I mean, hopefully. God how sad would it be if they tried to pretend they could contend with 34-year old Alex Smith, running in quicksand.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Nice, forgot about Colquitt. He's got to go.

Isn't Foles on a 1-year deal? Or his second year has some crazy spike in cap hit or something..?

And when can we efficiently cut Alex?

Not until after next season. Berry is more likely to be cut...

Then again if I'm looking at it currently we can carry over 6 million or more from this year's cap going into 2017 thanks to the recent restructure in contracts

[ThaVirus]

Not until after next season. Berry is more likely to be cut...

Then again if I'm looking at it currently we can carry over 6 million or more from this year's cap going into 2017 thanks to the recent restructure in contracts

Berry isn't even under contract next season

[ThaVirus]

2018, but probably not happening, c'mon

I'm holding out hope that we can finesse some team into taking him off our hands. Two 2nds oughta do it.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Berry isn't even under contract next season

Released/Let go/unsigned... He's going to have to actually do something this season to even entertain the idea of getting another tag

[RunKC]

Cutting Colquitt, DAT, Zombo, Bailey and Mauga saves $7.75 million per overthecap. Add the $7.5 million due to rollover and that puts us at $15.25 million.

I don't see any way we spend $30 million on Alex and Foles next year (please god no) so the most likely scenario is Foles is gone and we get $10.75 million back making that $26 million in the bank.

We can also cut Alex and save about $10 million this spring.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Cutting Colquitt, DAT, Zombo, Bailey and Mauga saves $7.75 million per overthecap. Add the $7.5 million due to rollover and that puts us at $15.25 million.

I don't see any way we spend $30 million on Alex and Foles next year (please god no) so the most likely scenario is Foles is gone and we get $10.75 million back making that $26 million in the bank.

We can also cut Alex and save about $10 million this spring.

Charles and/or Berry are more likely gone instead of Smith.
We are in very good shape going into 2017, a lot of draft picks to make too

[Hammock Parties]

We are in very good shape going into 2017, a lot of draft picks to make too

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[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

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We have the vast majority of impact players under contract and we can easily lose one between Charles/Poe/Berry and fill the void with the draft. Then you can make another easy pick between Colquitt/ Mauga / Bailey for an extra few million. Even more to be made if you release another one between Albert , DAT and Davis. And then the salary cap goes up too. And have you considered that we will roll over 7 million??

Considering how many posts you have on here, you literally have zero clue about football and it's pathetic.

[Hammock Parties]

Truth hurts, so make it personal, tiger.

Sad.

[New World Order]

Tiger knows it was a mistake not drafting a young qb that could lead this offense for years.

He just doesn't want to admit it. He finds Alex too sexy.

[Nickhead]

The Raiders have plenty of cap room though.

The Chiefs cap situation is horrible.

bump for truth. shit, this isnt my conspiracy board. wrong thread :D

[Nickhead]

If you had a brain you would be able to extrapolate that Carrs cap hit becomes substantial which means other positions will suffer and the raiders will have to gamble on the next two drafts to alleviate major voids in order to retain him. Just like Seattle had to part ways with many key players over the last two seasons as pro bowlers moved on to veteran contracts. Even Khalil will become a 14 million a year hit as he's currently paid a third of his value on the veteran market.

The difference is, Oakland doesn't draft nearly as well as Seattle/Carroll. Raiders have thru next year to make a move, then all hell breaks loose

and if YOU had a brain, you would realize oakland will lock him up for the fifth year, and renegotiate for a team friendly contract over ten years (you heard that right :D). and you forget too, its del rio as coach, not art shell. i have always hated the raiders, but they have 'T-Rumped' the chiefs the last two years.

[Nickhead]

Charles and/or Berry are more likely gone instead of Smith.
We are in very good shape going into 2017, a lot of draft picks to make too

i would keep charles over smith. his yards per rush is greater than alex's yards per pass :D

[Nickhead]

We have the vast majority of impact players under contract and we can easily lose one between Charles/Poe/Berry and fill the void with the draft. Then you can make another easy pick between Colquitt/ Mauga / Bailey for an extra few million. Even more to be made if you release another one between Albert , DAT and Davis. And then the salary cap goes up too. And have you considered that we will roll over 7 million??

Considering how many posts you have on here, you literally have zero clue about football and it's pathetic.

you are scraping the bottom. look who is in the top three: new england. if there is one thing i noticed, is that kc and new england play the same type of football. heavy on the tight ends, and screens. what separates the two of these two teams aside from salary cap?

[R8RFAN]

and if YOU had a brain, you would realize oakland will lock him up for the fifth year, and renegotiate for a team friendly contract over ten years (you heard that right :D). and you forget too, its del rio as coach, not art shell. i have always hated the raiders, but they have 'T-Rumped' the chiefs the last two years.

Its been a hard past decade but the last 3 years was the worst watching the Raiders dump players to the bare minimum while the Cheaps and Donks win...
Raiders haven't won shit this year and may not even make the playoffs unless they can fix that D but they will be very competitive for many years... It's a different culture, in the past no one wanted to play for Oakland , now it's a sexy place to go even if its a shit hole stadium... To the Raiders credit though they did build a state of the art workout facility for the players ...

Mark Davis got the hell out of the way and let Reggie do the thinking...

[OctoberFart]

Well most of this board wouldn't trade smith for him. Pull that thread up. He sucks and isn't very good despite his stats the board told me all off season. Not sure why KC would have drafted him since that would be drafting and developing a QB.

[OctoberFart]

Raiders got sooooo sooo lucky to be able to get Mack with their first pick and Carr with their second... I could not believe Carr would still be there ... Granted I had no idea he would be this good either... One of my favorite QB's on the Raiders was Bruce Gradkowski... Carr reminds me of a more polished Gradkowski... I am far less worried about 50 yard big plays from the Chiefs than I am with Rivers but I am concerned about Kelce a bit eating us up... I don't expect the Chiefs to be able to handle our WR's or get to Carr with much pressure. The Cheaps are successful but you guys have to be the most boring team in the NFL ...

Somebody start a Raiders Week Thread

These homers here have were telling me just last year that Mack sucks and Carr is overrated. They also didn't like the article where Cooper was shown burning Peters repeatedly. Can't wait for that battle.

[Red Dawg]

The Raiders found their guy and are proving that without a QB you will suck. Carr no longer is messing up the second half of games. Their defense has not played well and he is the reason they win. Alex is the reason we lose. He's the reason our offense sucks balls and has for three years.