Tom Brady's reaction to 'deflate-gate.' Scumbag, cheating, liar?

[Hootie]

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/tom-brady/deflating-footballs/deflate-gate

During his weekly appearance on WEEI's Dennis and Callahan Show, Tom Brady was asked by Kirk Minihane if he was aware of the controversy. The Pats' quarterback said he wasn't. When it was explained to him, Brady's reaction was . . .

A deep, hearty laugh.

"I think I've heard it all [now]," Brady said. "Oh, God. It's ridiculous . . .

"That's the last of my worries. I don't even respond to stuff like this."

So, the 'greatest QB ever' (allegedly), is a cheater, and a liar ... and now has been the face of an organization that is in the midst of another cheating scandal.

In the first scandal, it was rumored that Flutie accidentally picked up his helmet and was amazed coaches were talking to him right up until the ball was snapped telling him exactly what to expect on the defensive side (NFL rules dictate all communication is cut off at 15 seconds on the playclock).

Now this?

What an incredible black eye to the New England Patriots and their golden boy, Tom Brady. Just disgusting.

[Simply Red]

glad we have Alex!

[Hootie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Patriots &amp; Tom Brady suspiciously outperform expectations in wet weather:
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<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DeflateGate?src=hash">#DeflateGate</a> <a href="http://t.co/teLCYgPCMZ">pic.twitter.com/teLCYgPCMZ</a></p>&mdash; Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/557914552680325120">January 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Ming the Merciless]

we really needed a 3rd thread with Pats haters crying about this

[Hootie]

we really needed a 3rd thread with Pats haters crying about this

Let me troll in peace. I can't wait for the Brady bombardment on media day.

[lawrenceRaider]

Tom's a doosher, always has been. Still a great QB, as evidenced by him being even better since the Spygate problems.

[Ming the Merciless]

Let me troll


Youre more honest than Tom Brady....

I will give you that.

[Eleazar]

Tom Brady has proved himself Manning's superior once again, and Pootie is on record running Brady down all the time, so of course you'd have to start a thread trying to capitalize on the PSI of the footballs and regain some shred of dignity on the issue.

[Hootie]

if Manning could use a vortex instead of a real football with his lack of arm strength post neck surgeries ... he'd still be the best QB in the NFL ... like he was before the neck operations.

Agree?

[Red Dawg]

He's a liar and so is Bill. The balls would not have been deflated without their go ahead.

Every Pats fan I see from now on that wants to brag should be told to shut up.

Cheaters.

[kepp]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The Patriots &amp; Tom Brady suspiciously outperform expectations in wet weather:
<a href="http://t.co/vyARUkpVAC">http://t.co/vyARUkpVAC</a>
<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DeflateGate?src=hash">#DeflateGate</a> <a href="http://t.co/teLCYgPCMZ">pic.twitter.com/teLCYgPCMZ</a></p>&mdash; Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/557914552680325120">January 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Oh, I don't know. They've won multiple superbowls. I'd say the suspiciously outperform expectations in most weather.

[Hootie]

Oh, I don't know. They've won multiple superbowls. I'd say the suspiciously outperform expectations in most weather.

They won all of their Super Bowls during the Spygate era...

I'd say they suspiciously outperformed the postseason when they knew the oppositions' defensive playcalls pre-snap, no doubt!

[Pitt Gorilla]

He's a liar and so is Bill. The balls would not have been deflated without their go ahead.

Every Pats fan I see from now on that wants to brag should be told to shut up.

Cheaters.If the Chiefs had Brady and Hoodie, I would be thrilled.

[Iconic]

Uhm there's no question he knew about this. In fact I'm willing to bet this was premeditated. He probably had practices in which he used deflated balls regularly. Fuck him.

[Jim Lahey]

https://twitter.com/mattleinartqb/status/557943575585882112

@MattLeinartQB: Every team tampers with the footballs. Ask any Qb In the league, this is ridiculous!!

[blaise]

What do you want him to do, fall on his hands and knees and start bawling his eyes out?

[Eleazar]

Wasnt there some controversy about teams heating the K balls so they weren't frozen solid, and whether that was legal or not?

[Jimmya]

I seem to remember something about trying to heat up kicking balls for field goal attempts.

[GoChargers]

Uhm there's no question he knew about this. In fact I'm willing to bet this was premeditated. He probably had practices in which he used deflated balls regularly. Fuck him.

He admitted to preferring them deflated in 2011. He's a smug hypocrite and a liar. Still better than Fivehead though.

[Bugeater]

What do you want him to do, fall on his hands and knees and start bawling his eyes out?

That would be a good start

[Amnorix]

Rich Hill retweeted
Kevin Clark ‏@KevinClarkWSJ 2h2 hours ago
NFL head coaches here at Senior Bowl seem downright offended that people think this deflation stuff is a big deal.

.

[ThaVirus]

What do you want him to do, fall on his hands and knees and start bawling his eyes out?


Slit his wrists the long way.

[eDave]

.

Quote:
Rich Hill retweeted
Kevin Clark ‏@KevinClarkWSJ 2h2 hours ago
NFL head coaches here at Senior Bowl seem downright offended that people think this deflation stuff is a big deal.

I'd like to see his sample size. And what is Bill Belichick doing at the Senior Bowl?!

[Amnorix]

Quote:
Rich Hill retweeted
Kevin Clark ‏@KevinClarkWSJ 2h2 hours ago
NFL head coaches here at Senior Bowl seem downright offended that people think this deflation stuff is a big deal.

I'd like to see his sample size. And what is Bill Belichick doing at the Senior Bowl?!


errr...Belichick is NOT at the Senior Bowl. He has something else to get ready for.

[Bufkin]

Hootie's still allowed to start threads and I'm not.

**** this place. **** this place to heck.

[eDave]

errr...Belichick is NOT at the Senior Bowl. He has something else to get ready for.

Whoosh!

[Red Dawg]

.

Pats fans don't care. They like the success and don't give a damn if the rest of the NFL knows they cheat.

[Red Dawg]

[QUOTE=Amnorix;11284396]errr...Belichick is NOT at the Senior Bowl. He has something else to get ready for.[/QUOTE

SB cheating tactics and what to do while he is suspended next season for being a liar and a cheat.

Brady is also a liar.

[Hootie]

Mark Brunell, an actual NFL QB, demonstrated how much of an advantage the deflated balls were and was SHOCKED they were that deflated on First Take. So, yeah...keep defending your scumbag Patriots, Amnorix. Disgusting.

[PizzaDoughz]

Mark Brunell, an actual NFL QB, demonstrated how much of an advantage the deflated balls were and was SHOCKED they were that deflated on First Take. So, yeah...keep defending your scumbag Patriots, Amnorix. Disgusting.

You're pretty on point with last part. Fuck the Cheatriots

[Amnorix]

Mark Brunell, an actual NFL QB, demonstrated how much of an advantage the deflated balls were and was SHOCKED they were that deflated on First Take. So, yeah...keep defending your scumbag Patriots, Amnorix. Disgusting.


Was he SHOCKED that Rodgers overinflated? Was he SHOCKED that the Vikings and Jaguars heated balls? Was he SHOCKED that Brad Johnson paid $7,500 for the ballboys to tamper with balls before he went out and won a Super Bowl?

This thing has taken on a life of its own, here in the age of twitter and extreme hatred of the Patriots and the perception that they are cheaters who stole Super Bowls or whatever. I get it. But it doesn't exactly worry me.

If the NFL comes down and does something ridiculous in terms of punishment, I will probably just walk away from the NFL as a fan. They won't care. They don't get any of my money anyway. Both of us will survive the parting of the ways, I'm sure.

[Hootie]

ROFL

If they punish the Patriots for cheating, Amnorix will stop being a fan! Hahaha! Lolz

[Hootie]

"YOUR honor! My neighbor cheated on his taxes and didn't get caught! This is a travesty! And not fair!"

[Donger]

Was he SHOCKED that Rodgers overinflated? Was he SHOCKED that the Vikings and Jaguars heated balls? Was he SHOCKED that Brad Johnson paid $7,500 for the ballboys to tamper with balls before he went out and won a Super Bowl?

This thing has taken on a life of its own, here in the age of twitter and extreme hatred of the Patriots and the perception that they are cheaters who stole Super Bowls or whatever. I get it. But it doesn't exactly worry me.

If the NFL comes down and does something ridiculous in terms of punishment, I will probably just walk away from the NFL as a fan. They won't care. They don't get any of my money anyway. Both of us will survive the parting of the ways, I'm sure.

From what I understand, Rodgers hasn't chimed in yet. Phil Simms claimed that he said that.

[Hootie]

Belichick gets a 1 year suspension. Fair is fair.

[Hootie]

And McDaniels cannot wear a cutoff hoodie or he gets Marshawn Lynch'd

[Sully]

What is the biggest non-story in sports, 2015 version, for $500, Alex?

[Amnorix]

From what I understand, Rodgers hasn't chimed in yet. Phil Simms claimed that he said that.


He reiterated, for the record.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12201369/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-upset-referees-take-air-footballs

[eDave]

And Amnorix will be gone too ? It'd only be fair

Him taking this so personally is mental. It really is.

[Red Dawg]

Was he SHOCKED that Rodgers overinflated? Was he SHOCKED that the Vikings and Jaguars heated balls? Was he SHOCKED that Brad Johnson paid $7,500 for the ballboys to tamper with balls before he went out and won a Super Bowl?

This thing has taken on a life of its own, here in the age of twitter and extreme hatred of the Patriots and the perception that they are cheaters who stole Super Bowls or whatever. I get it. But it doesn't exactly worry me.

If the NFL comes down and does something ridiculous in terms of punishment, I will probably just walk away from the NFL as a fan. They won't care. They don't get any of my money anyway. Both of us will survive the parting of the ways, I'm sure.

You are soooo full of shit. You will watch and be a fan forever and definitely will as long Bill the cheater and Brady the liar are there.

[BucEyedPea]

Him taking this so personally is mental. It really is.

Far be it for me to defend Amnorix, but he does have a point. The outrage and indignation is highly selective. That is suspect. So it's not about the integrity of the game which some claim.

[Donger]

He reiterated, for the record.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12201369/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-upset-referees-take-air-footballs

Where do you see that he likes to (and does) use over-inflated balls? In other words, beyond the maximum allowed by the NFL?

[BucEyedPea]

Belichick gets a 1 year suspension. Fair is fair.

Only if Green Bay, Vikings, Bucs and( possibly even the Giants if nothing is supposed to be done to the balls whatsoever) and other teams got that for a punishment. Equal rules for the same offenses. Otherwise, it's a Kangaroo court and unjust. That would reflect on your character just as much as you feel it reflects on the Pats.

[BucEyedPea]

Where do you see that he likes to (and does) use over-inflated balls? In other words, beyond the maximum allowed by the NFL?

It's in the link and I posted another link. He likes an inflated balls because, in Aaron's own words, he has big hands.

[eDave]

Far be it for me to defend Amnorix, but he does have a point. The outrage and indignation is highly selective. That is suspect. So it's not about the integrity of the game which some claim.

For sure. But I'm waiting for him to cry.

[Donger]

It's in the link and I posted another link. He likes an inflated balls because, in Aaron's own words, he has big hands.

Yes, now try reading again with your eyes open this time.

[BucEyedPea]

Pats fans don't care. They like the success and don't give a damn if the rest of the NFL knows they cheat.

I care. I don't like it. I was disappointed about Spygate when I first heard it, but that won't stop me from analyzing if it resulted in a significant gain on the field, or looking at the rest of the NFL. I mean fair is fair.

[BucEyedPea]

Yes, now try reading again with your eyes open this time.

My eyes? I didn't read his link 'cause I already knew what Aaron did and said.
I relied on another one from earlier.

[Donger]

My eyes? I didn't read his link 'cause I already knew what Aaron did and said.
I relied on another one from earlier.

And where is that link? In this thread?

[BucEyedPea]

Wasnt there some controversy about teams heating the K balls so they weren't frozen solid, and whether that was legal or not?

Yes there was. I saw that today. I forget who did it though.

[eDave]

Far be it for me to defend Amnorix, but he does have a point. The outrage and indignation is highly selective. That is suspect. So it's not about the integrity of the game which some claim.

Cool. I think those earlier examples were cheating too. I don't believe in messing with the ball. AT ALL.

But I'm a bigger baseball fan. Randy Johnson didn't get to use a different baseball because his hands were so big. Basketball player's don't get to customize the ball. Isn't there a tennis match going on? That ball is sacred. As is the golf ball.

It's all about the ball baby.

[MagicHef]

He reiterated, for the record.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12201369/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-upset-referees-take-air-footballs

Rodgers never had any of his balls changed after the refs approved them. The fact that you are trying so hard to conflate this with what the Patriots did is sad.

[The Franchise]

"YOUR honor! My neighbor cheated on his taxes and didn't get caught! This is a travesty! And not fair!"

Basically this. LMAO

[Amnorix]

Where do you see that he likes to (and does) use over-inflated balls? In other words, beyond the maximum allowed by the NFL?


"The majority of the time, they take air out of the football. I think that, for me, is a disadvantage."

Unless you think they are deflating balls that are within the maximum allowed by the NFL, which makes no sense...?

[Amnorix]

Cool. I think those earlier examples were cheating too. I don't believe in messing with the ball. AT ALL.

But I'm a bigger baseball fan. Randy Johnson didn't get to use a different baseball because his hands were so big. Basketball player's don't get to customize the ball. Isn't there a tennis match going on? That ball is sacred. As is the golf ball.

It's all about the ball baby.


I understnad what you're saying, but you're wrong. Teams ARE allowed to manipulate balls quite alot. They don't just get taken right out of the box from the factory and thrown in the game. That isn't how ti works.

The NY Times had an article a while ago about how much effort goes into Eli Manning's balls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/sports/football/eli-mannings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html?_r=0


The rule is just limited to proper pressure, not whether QBs can rub them up or down with whatever they wnat, etc. etc.

[The Franchise]

Unless you think they are deflating balls that are within the maximum allowed by the NFL, which makes no sense...?

That's what the Patriots did.

He's saying that the refs deflate the balls down to the rule and he doesn't like it. I don't see anywhere in that article where he states that during the game he'll reinflate the ball to the level he likes. Did I miss that somewhere?

[Donger]

Unless you think they are deflating balls that are within the maximum allowed by the NFL, which makes no sense...?

Why does that make no sense? For all we know, the refs test the balls and see that they are at maximum and reduce it to be right in the middle of the range. What you posted doesn't show that Rodgers likes over-inflated balls, which is what you claimed he stated.

Sorry.

[Amnorix]

You are soooo full of shit. You will watch and be a fan forever and definitely will as long Bill the cheater and Brady the liar are there.

Actually, no. I've given up basically every other sport in my life. As a kid I was a huge Celtics and Red Sox fan. I was alos a huge college football fan. Now i only watch when I go to the game for whatever reason (client stuff normally).

Trust me, I can give up the NFL. My wife would love it if I did, I'm sure. :D

[The Franchise]

I understnad what you're saying, but you're wrong. Teams ARE allowed to manipulate balls quite alot. They don't just get taken right out of the box from the factory and thrown in the game. That isn't how ti works.

The NY Times had an article a while ago about how much effort goes into Eli Manning's balls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/sports/football/eli-mannings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html?_r=0


The rule is just limited to proper pressure, not whether QBs can rub them up or down with whatever they wnat, etc. etc.

The rule is limited to proper pressure.....WHICH THE PATRIOTS FUCKING IGNORED AND CHANGED. God fucking damn.

Other QBs change their balls!! Yeah....according to the rules. When you break the rules....before an AFC Championship game.....you deserve to get fucked.

[BucEyedPea]

I read something last night by a ref that said, nothing should be done to the balls at all....but he didn't cite a rule for it. Immediately, Eli's balls came to my mind when I read that.

[Amnorix]

"YOUR honor! My neighbor cheated on his taxes and didn't get caught! This is a travesty! And not fair!"


The point actually is that the neighbor did get caught, but the punishment was disparate.

If the NFL needs to send a lesson and forces a surrender of a low round draft pick, I think that's rather unfair but can live with it. If they go all Adrian Peterson on the Patriots, then it's ridiculous, makes no sense, and is nothing more than selective enforcement.

Punish the Patriots because they win too much. PUnish them more for something that we already punished them for seven years ago. Then triple it because everyone hates the Hoodie!

Of course, Goodell is under pressure himself because he's a pathetic turd, and has fucked up so much earlier this year. So if he doesn't bring home the hammer he's Kraft's boy, or soft. If he does, then his selective enforcement of rules is arbitrary.

[Donger]

Immediately, Eli's balls came to my mind when I read that.

TMI BEP

[Just Passin' By]

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/tom-brady/deflating-footballs/deflate-gate



So, the 'greatest QB ever' (allegedly), is a cheater, and a liar ... and now has been the face of an organization that is in the midst of another cheating scandal.

In the first scandal, it was rumored that Flutie accidentally picked up his helmet and was amazed coaches were talking to him right up until the ball was snapped telling him exactly what to expect on the defensive side (NFL rules dictate all communication is cut off at 15 seconds on the playclock).

Now this?

What an incredible black eye to the New England Patriots and their golden boy, Tom Brady. Just disgusting.

Hootie gotta Hootie

[BucEyedPea]

TMI BEP

Jealous your's are deflated huh?

[BucEyedPea]

Hootie gotta Hootie

He's secretly Hoodie, but in the closet.

[Amnorix]

Why does that make no sense? For all we know, the refs test the balls and see that they are at maximum and reduce it to be right in the middle of the range. What you posted doesn't show that Rodgers likes over-inflated balls, which is what you claimed he stated.

Sorry.

:LOL: You are being hypertechnical. Simms specifically said

"I like to push the limits of how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do," is what Simms recalls Rodgers telling them.

Then Rodgers is quoted talking about the refs deflating the balls, and you suggest that maybe they are reducing them ot the middle of the range? The rule is 12.5 to 13.5, NOT 13.0. If they were 13.5, that is within the range and allowed. Why would they deflate?

Seems to me pretty overwhelming that he OVERinflates.

[BucEyedPea]

Basically this. LMAO

Show me someone who hasn't stretched the truth ever on their taxes, and I will sell you a bridge.

[Molitoth]

All just another story for the media to overblow for some headlines.

Get the fuck over it people.

[Donger]

Jealous your's are deflated huh?

Not at all. I'm thankful (and a little sleepy) because of it. That's what green-lighting a two bathroom and laundry room remodel gets me.

[Just Passin' By]

Cool. I think those earlier examples were cheating too. I don't believe in messing with the ball. AT ALL.

But I'm a bigger baseball fan. Randy Johnson didn't get to use a different baseball because his hands were so big. Basketball player's don't get to customize the ball. Isn't there a tennis match going on? That ball is sacred. As is the golf ball.

It's all about the ball baby.

The ball is not sacred. Baseball players get to rub down the ball and alter it. Golfers get to choose from a wide range of golf balls.

[Donger]

:LOL: You are being hypertechnical. Simms specifically said



Then Rodgers is quoted talking about the refs deflating the balls, and you suggest that maybe they are reducing them ot the middle of the range? The rule is 12.5 to 13.5, NOT 13.0. If they were 13.5, that is within the range and allowed. Why would they deflate?

Seems to me pretty overwhelming that he OVERinflates.


Yes, I know SIMMS said that. Like I said, perhaps the refs he refers to want the ball pressure to right in the middle. I take it you don't fill the tires on your vehicle to the maximum recommended?

[RunKC]

Another 20+page Hootie thread about Tom Brady where 75% of said thread is Hootie posting to get people to give hi praise for his perspective.

How exhausting...it's like I've seen this before.

[ndws]

Blame the Colts for not having the gumption to let 2 pounds of air out of their footballs as well. Or did they? Nobody has reported what their ball pressures were.

Who gives a shit. Instead of making more rules, take some rules away, allow parity and creativeness to some degree and just let them play a fucking game. Christ if the kickers have to have their own ball, just go by middle school rules and everybody, both sides included, plays with the same ball.

[eDave]

The ball is not sacred. Baseball players get to rub down the ball and alter it. Golfers get to choose from a wide range of golf balls.

Conceded. But within boundaries. Exceed those boundaries and things get serious.

[kysirsoze]

That's what the Patriots did.

He's saying that the refs deflate the balls down to the rule and he doesn't like it. I don't see anywhere in that article where he states that during the game he'll reinflate the ball to the level he likes. Did I miss that somewhere?

:LOL: You are being hypertechnical. Simms specifically said



Then Rodgers is quoted talking about the refs deflating the balls, and you suggest that maybe they are reducing them ot the middle of the range? The rule is 12.5 to 13.5, NOT 13.0. If they were 13.5, that is within the range and allowed. Why would they deflate?

Seems to me pretty overwhelming that he OVERinflates.

Still isn't the same as deflating after the refs checked them. Not even close.

[The Franchise]

Blame the Colts for not having the gumption to let 2 pounds of air out of their footballs as well. Or did they? Nobody has reported what their ball pressures were.

Who gives a shit. Instead of making more rules, take some rules away, allow parity and creativeness to some degree and just let them play a fucking game. Christ if the kickers have to have their own ball, just go by middle school rules and everybody, both sides included, plays with the same ball.

Funny....the guys who bring up Brad Johnson changing the balls don't bring up the point that he said that he did it to ALL the balls in the Superbowl. Everyone was playing with the same type of ball.

[Just Passin' By]

Conceded. But within boundaries. Exceed those boundaries and things get serious.

If a pitcher exceeds the boundaries, the take the ball out of play and give him another. That's not particularly serious.

And here's a little something about footballs

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/not-for-attribution/longtime-college-football-equipment-manager-everyone-cheats-deflates-184104713.html


This is all a tempest in a teapot. The Panthers messed with the balls earlier this season, on the sidelines, after the officials had checked them. I'm still waiting on all the outrage about that. Player after player has come forward, mostly laughing this off or minimizing it. The coaches at the Senior Bowl say it's nonsense.

If the Patriots messed with the ball, the baseline is a 25K fine, according to the rule. Even for the league, it's obviously not that big a deal.

[The Franchise]

Everyone cheats....it's ok.

[Pitt Gorilla]

The broncos used to scuff, muddy, etc. the opposition's footballs. The donx balls were kept dry and in front of a heater.

[Just Passin' By]

Funny....the guys who bring up Brad Johnson changing the balls don't bring up the point that he said that he did it to ALL the balls in the Superbowl. Everyone was playing with the same type of ball.

Things were done differently back then because the teams used the same balls, and Johnson and Gannon both agreed that they'd get the balls altered. So, in effect, both guys 'cheated'.

[Amnorix]

Funny....the guys who bring up Brad Johnson changing the balls don't bring up the point that he said that he did it to ALL the balls in the Superbowl. Everyone was playing with the same type of ball.

Right, in the game that Rich Gannon threw five picks in.

Look, if nobody cares about Johnson, that's fine. If nobody cares about Rodgers, that's fine. If nobody cares about the Vikings and Jags (or Panthers, whichever one it is), that's fine.

But what makes no sense is that nobody cares about any of that, but everyone is losing their minds over the Patriots. The selective outrage, and selective desire for punishment, is a problem.

[Amnorix]

Still isn't the same as deflating after the refs checked them. Not even close.


Except we don't (yet) know if that's what the Patriots did.

[MagicHef]

Right, in the game that Rich Gannon threw five picks in.

Look, if nobody cares about Johnson, that's fine. If nobody cares about Rodgers, that's fine. If nobody cares about the Vikings and Jags (or Panthers, whichever one it is), that's fine.

But what makes no sense is that nobody cares about any of that, but everyone is losing their minds over the Patriots. The selective outrage, and selective desire for punishment, is a problem.

Do you admit that the Rodgers/Johnson issue is not even close to the same as the Brady issue?

[Amnorix]

Yes, I know SIMMS said that. Like I said, perhaps the refs he refers to want the ball pressure to right in the middle. I take it you don't fill the tires on your vehicle to the maximum recommended?


Good lord.

[MagicHef]

Except we don't (yet) know if that's what the Patriots did.

They've said that the balls were checked, and were normal before the game. At halftime, the balls were checked again; the Patriot balls were deflated and the Colt balls were normal.

What do you think happened?

[Hootie]

They've said that the balls were checked, and were normal before the game. At halftime, the balls were checked again; the Patriot balls were deflated and the Colt balls were normal.

What do you think happened?

Look man

The Panthers heated some balls up earlier this year!

DON'T YOU GET IT?

THE PANTHERS!

THE PANTHERS I SAY!

[mdchiefsfan]

I read something last night by a ref that said, nothing should be done to the balls at all....but he didn't cite a rule for it. Immediately, Eli's balls came to my mind when I read that.

NTTAWWT

[eDave]

If a pitcher exceeds the boundaries, the take the ball out of play and give him another. That's not particularly serious.

And here's a little something about footballs

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/not-for-attribution/longtime-college-football-equipment-manager-everyone-cheats-deflates-184104713.html


This is all a tempest in a teapot. The Panthers messed with the balls earlier this season, on the sidelines, after the officials had checked them. I'm still waiting on all the outrage about that. Player after player has come forward, mostly laughing this off or minimizing it. The coaches at the Senior Bowl say it's nonsense.

If the Patriots messed with the ball, the baseline is a 25K fine, according to the rule. Even for the league, it's obviously not that big a deal.

What? You spit on a ball and you are GONE. And suspended immediately.

[Just Passin' By]

What? You spit on a ball and you are GONE. And suspended immediately.

I didn't say anything about spitting on the ball. Pitchers rub the balls, often using the dirt to help give them a bit of a scuff. If it becomes too much, the officials take the ball out of play.

That's all this is. Don't let Hootie drag you into his fever dreams.

[eDave]

I didn't say anything about spitting on the ball.

Deflating the ball, outside the boundaries, is spitting on the ball.

Just making analogies.

[Just Passin' By]

Deflating the ball, outside the boundaries, is spitting on the ball.

Ok, now you're going full Hootie.

[Donger]

Good lord.

What?

[Hootie]

Mark Brunell is just pwning you guys on ESPN right now. Pwning. Turn it on.

[Hootie]

LMFAO

Brunell talking about how much of advantage a QB has if the ball is under-deflated

Rodgers came on and said there is NO ADVANTAGE whatsoever to an over-inflated ball...none. He said there should ABSOLUTELY be a rule against an under-deflated ball.

Anything else?

(Oh, and Jerome Bettis also said that an under-deflated ball was a HUGE advantage for RB's, too)

[The Franchise]

Ok, now you're going full Hootie.

So you have no argument.

You're team has been caught doing something against the rules and all the fans can do is deflect and claim that other teams have done it before.

I hope the NFL rapes your fucking team.

[Just Passin' By]

So you have no argument.

You're team has been caught doing something against the rules and all the fans can do is deflect and claim that other teams have done it before.

I hope the NFL rapes your ****ing team.

Hey, dumbass, the Panthers were caught doing something against the rules. Nothing happened. Like I said, it's a $25k fine baseline, and idiots screaming about "I hope the NFL rapes your ****ing team" are ****ing morons. Take it from one of the Colts players:

@NFLonFOX not a story. They could have played with soap for balls and beat us. Simply the better team. We have to continue to build! #BTM

https://twitter.com/Dallen83/status/557793603700154369

Tell me about the massive Tomlin punishment following his in-game tackling attempt. LMAO

[Hootie]

So you have no argument.

You're team has been caught doing something against the rules and all the fans can do is deflect and claim that other teams have done it before.

I hope the NFL rapes your fucking team.

He does it all the time. When he has nothing, he just screams "hootie gotta hootie."

He's embarrassing.

[Hootie]

did Tomlin once get fined $500K and a 1st round pick for Spygate?

Repeat offenders putting a black eye on the league.

Enough is enough.

Belichick out for a year.

[The Franchise]

Hey, dumbass, the Panthers were caught doing something against the rules. Nothing happened. Like I said, it's a $25k fine baseline, and idiots screaming about "I hope the NFL rapes your ****ing team" are ****ing morons. Take it from one of the Colts players:



https://twitter.com/Dallen83/status/557793603700154369

Tell me about the massive Tomlin punishment following his in-game tackling attempt. LMAO

How many times did Tomlin or the Panthers break the rules again after that?

[Just Passin' By]

did Tomlin once get fined $500K and a 1st round pick for Spygate?

Repeat offenders putting a black eye on the league.

Enough is enough.

Belichick out for a year.

:LOL:

This is what some of you are siding with

[Just Passin' By]

How many times did Tomlin or the Panthers break the rules again after that?

It happened in November. Is this the best you've got?

[The Franchise]

It happened in November. Is this the best you've got?

So far your defense is that "EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT" or "YOU JUST HATE THE PATS FOR WINNING". Your excuses are bullshit.

[Hootie]

:LOL:

This is what some of you are siding with

and you're suggesting a $25K fine

...Marshawn Lynch was fined $100K for not cooperating with the media

the Pats continuously cheat and it's time to lay down the gauntlet

enough is enough

[Just Passin' By]

So far your defense is that "EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT" or "YOU JUST HATE THE PATS FOR WINNING".

I haven't made a defense. As a matter of fact, I pointed out what the punishment is, according to the guidelines, as a counter to your idiocy.


Your excuses are bullshit.

I haven't made any excuses. I pointed out the truth of the situation. Nowhere did I say that the Patriots shouldn't be penalized if they are found to have done wrong.



Care to keep going? You're making Hootie proud.

[Hootie]

Pretend Spygate was Belichick's 1st strike in the MLB steroid policy (50 games) ...

This penalty should be twice as bad. Repeat offender.

Sean Payton got 1 year for bounty gate. 1 year.

That should be the minimum penalty for Belichick. And the fact Brady goes along with this cheating? Hurts his legacy.

[Just Passin' By]

and you're suggesting a $25K fine

...Marshawn Lynch was fined $100K for not cooperating with the media

the Pats continuously cheat and it's time to lay down the gauntlet

enough is enough

See, you don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

Again.

Lynch was not fined $100k for not cooperating with the media.

[Hootie]

LMAO

$25K fine for what Mark Brunell calls, "a distinct competitive advantage."

Marshawn Lynch!?

$100K for not talking to the media!

Yeah!

$25K fine! Perfect!

[Hootie]

I think I'll side with Mark Brunell and Jerome Bettis over Just Passin' By about the extent of this cheating scandal ... which they both consider significant.

Let Belichick lose 1 more Super Bowl and then blacklist him.

[The Franchise]

See, you don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

Again.

Lynch was not fined $100k for not cooperating with the media.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24821432/marshawn-lynch-fined-100000-for-avoiding-media

[Hootie]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24821432/marshawn-lynch-fined-100000-for-avoiding-media

"Hootie said he didn't cooperate! He was wrong. He was fined for avoiding, it's different!!!!"

[Just Passin' By]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24821432/marshawn-lynch-fined-100000-for-avoiding-media


You didn't even read your own link.

"Marshawn Lynch has been fined $50,000 for violating the NFL Media Policy," the league said in a statement. "In addition, the league will collect the $50,000 fine that was imposed following violations of the media policy during the 2013 season but held in abeyance in anticipation of future cooperation."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24821432/marshawn-lynch-fined-100000-for-avoiding-media

I may have to start calling you Hootie 2.1

[beach tribe]

https://twitter.com/mattleinartqb/status/557943575585882112

Yup. They do it for kickers and QBs and I could ****ing Care less.
I think they should be able to have the balls any way they want them as long as the balls are brand new and not broken in repainted balls like the kickers used to bring and use
I think its no different than being able to wear a glove on your throwing hand.

[Hootie]

oh LMAO

I'm sorry!

$50K for not talking to the media!

$25K for in game ball tampering!

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Just Passin' By!

[Hootie]

Bob Ryan on Around the Horn: "they have to be punished. they have to be punished."

$25K!?

LMFAO

[GoChargers]

Not to worry, folks... Brandon "steroids, DPI, defensive holding" Browner is here to defend cheating:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/brandon-browner-weighs-in-on-deflated-balls-inflate-this/#comments

[BucEyedPea]

Yup. They do it for kickers and QBs and I could ****ing Care less.
I think they should be able to have the balls any way they want them as long as the balls are brand new and not broken in repainted balls like the kickers used to bring and use
I think its no different than being able to wear a glove on your throwing hand.

If it seems to be that some QB's prefer a ball a certain way, say to fit their hand better, then I don't know why the NFL doesn't allow it. On the other hand what about those catching it?

[Hootie]

Belichick should probably get at least a 4 game ban.

[blaise]

oh LMAO

I'm sorry!

$50K for not talking to the media!

$25K for in game ball tampering!

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Just Passin' By!

They must not feel like it's as big a deal as you do.

[GoChargers]

So far your defense is that "EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT" or "YOU JUST HATE THE PATS FOR WINNING". Your excuses are bullshit.

The funniest thing about the "everyone else was doing it" excuse is that, if we go with that argument, we have to point out that Josh McDaniels tried to emulate Spygate with the Broncos (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/spygate-ii-nfl-fines-broncos-coach-josh-mcdaniels-team-employee-videotaped-49ers-walkthrough-article-1.454047) and Charlie Weis did the same at Notre Dame. (http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2008/09/notre-dame-football-charlie-weis-cheating-scandal/)

The "everyone else did it" excuse actually only further proves that there's a culture of cheating around the Patriots organization, and it's so deeply ingrained that former coaches end up resorting to similar tactics at their next jobs.

[beach tribe]

LMFAO

Brunell talking about how much of advantage a QB has if the ball is under-deflated

Rodgers came on and said there is NO ADVANTAGE whatsoever to an over-inflated ball...none. He said there should ABSOLUTELY be a rule against an under-deflated ball.

Anything else?

(Oh, and Jerome Bettis also said that an under-deflated ball was a HUGE advantage for RB's, too)

I am a former HS QB and backup college QB.
ir depends on the size of your hand and power of your arm. It absolutely is an advantage for a guy with Rodgers hands and arm to have an over inflated ball.
And it is also an advantage for an older weaker arm to have an underinflated ball.
I just don't care. I wanted my ball underinflated.......and it ALWAYS was.

[Hootie]

It clearly wasn't a big deal in terms of how the game played out. What if the game ended 38-35 with Tom throwing a TD in the last minute in a monsoon using a tampered ball?

Then, you know ... people would probably be outraged they wouldn't be forced to forfeit the game.

I look forward to seeing the outcome. From what I've heard, Kraft wasn't too happy about Spygate.

[Hootie]

I am a former HS QB and backup college QB.
ir depends on the size of your hand and power of your arm. It absolutely is an advantage for a guy with Rodgers hands and arm to have an over inflated ball.
And it is also an advantage for an older weaker arm to have an underinflated ball.
I just don't care. I wanted my ball underinflated.......and it ALWAYS was.

lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

lolololololololol

roflllllllllllll

beach tribe

division 8 waterboy comparing himself to a professional QB

[Hootie]

I'm a terrific madden player ... I want my football to be inflated to NFL standards because I don't want my madden reputation to be tarnished in any way, shape, or form!

[Bufkin]

Wasnt there some controversy about teams heating the K balls so they weren't frozen solid, and whether that was legal or not?
Hilarious that this was posted on the 2nd page, and wasn't touched with a 10-foot pole.

[Rausch]

The funniest thing about the "everyone else was doing it" excuse is that, if we go with that argument, we have to point out that Josh McDaniels tried to emulate Spygate with the Broncos (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/spygate-ii-nfl-fines-broncos-coach-josh-mcdaniels-team-employee-videotaped-49ers-walkthrough-article-1.454047) and Charlie Weis did the same at Notre Dame. (http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2008/09/notre-dame-football-charlie-weis-cheating-scandal/)

The "everyone else did it" excuse actually only further proves that there's a culture of cheating around the Patriots organization, and it's so deeply ingrained that former coaches end up resorting to similar tactics at their next jobs.

The Hoodie does it, wins, and pays the price after winning.

Why would he stop?

[Bufkin]

I am a former HS QB and backup college QB.
ir depends on the size of your hand and power of your arm. It absolutely is an advantage for a guy with Rodgers hands and arm to have an over inflated ball.
And it is also an advantage for an older weaker arm to have an underinflated ball.
I just don't care. I wanted my ball underinflated.......and it ALWAYS was.
Lololol douche city population this guy. No you weren't, but even if you were, who cares? Is that your attempt at trying to be an authority on this subject.
http://i.imgur.com/H0Whs.gif

[Hootie]

spygate didn't help!

weis and mcdaniels go try and cheat using illegal videotape anyways!

yep

no advantage at all!

[Bufkin]

As a backup QB, Beach Tribe always requested that his football be underinflated accordingly. ROFL

[Hootie]

i am a former high school football and jv college football ball boy

our qb on each team told me i better make sure those balls were deflated or he'd steal my lunch money

beach tribe?! you dick

[GoChargers]

I am a former HS QB and backup college QB.
ir depends on the size of your hand and power of your arm. It absolutely is an advantage for a guy with Rodgers hands and arm to have an over inflated ball.
And it is also an advantage for an older weaker arm to have an underinflated ball.
I just don't care. I wanted my ball underinflated.......and it ALWAYS was.

It's nice to know you had exacting standards for the footballs you never got to throw.

[Bufkin]

http://www.glendale.edu/Modules/ShowImage.aspx?imageid=275
Beach Tribe, I think I see you! Front row, right?

[Jim Lahey]

Alex Smith must request sand in his balls since he can't chuck it past 5 yards.

[Hootie]

beach tribe did call his own plays, I remember that from being his ball boy

[beach tribe]

It's nice to know you had exacting standards for the footballs you never got to throw.

Hey, I got to throw two passes!!!!:harumph:

[Bufkin]

Hey, I got to throw two passes!!!!:harumph:
So if you only threw 2 passes as a backup QB, why the hell would the underinflation of the football matter?

[beach tribe]

http://www.glendale.edu/Modules/ShowImage.aspx?imageid=275
Beach Tribe, I think I see you! Front row, right?

I was 1-9 in HS and lost my BU QB job that I got as a walk on after 1 season.
I'm not an authority on anything, but I do know a little bit about this.
And, yeah. I may have sucked at QB, but I took it very seriously.

[beach tribe]

So if you only threw 2 passes as a backup QB, why the hell would the underinflation of the football matter?

It's called preparation you fucking idiot.

[Bufkin]

I was 1-9 in HS and lost my BU QB job that I got as a walk on after 1 season.
I'm not an authority on anything, but I do know a little bit about this.
And, yeah. I may have sucked at QB, but I took it very seriously.
No worries, I'm just being a dick because you were a huge dick to me for no reason in prior threads.

[beach tribe]

As a backup QB, Beach Tribe always requested that his football be underinflated accordingly. ROFL

I didn't request it. I did it myself.
As a backup QB my DREAM was getting on that field and I went into every game expecting to do so.

[Bufkin]

It's called preparation you ****ing idiot.
Yep, when airing up footballs, you gotta strategically cater to the backup QB in preparation.
http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/I+agree+you+re+one+of+those+douchebags+andersbreivik+_0d86d5229e606101140e00869ef16322.jpg

[beach tribe]

No worries, I'm just being a dick because you were a huge dick to me for no reason in prior threads.

No reason?
C'mon.

[Bufkin]

I didn't request it. I did it myself.
As a backup QB my DREAM was getting on that field and I went into every game expecting to do so.
While I never played college football, I did play 4 years in high school. The idea that a player (let alone the fucking backup quarterback) would be in charge of the inflation of a football is baffling.

[Bufkin]

No reason?
C'mon.
No reason whatsoever.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Epic trolling going on in this thread. What a joy.

[beach tribe]

While I never played college football, I did play 4 years in high school. The idea that a player (let alone the ****ing backup quarterback) would be in charge of the inflation of a football is baffling.

I had a pump needle to deflate the balls with on the sidelines.
I had towel with Crisco on it, and a hand warmer full flooring adhesive.
I also had a hand warmer full of atomic balm in HS that I used to rub all over opponents faces in the bottom of the pile when I played FS in HS,
:fire:

[beach tribe]

While I never played college football, I did play 4 years in high school. The idea that a player (let alone the ****ing backup quarterback) would be in charge of the inflation of a football is baffling.

I was the starter in HS BTW.

[Hootie]

***BREAKING NEWS***

beach tribe, a junior varsity high school starter, deflated his footballs before games ... the Pats officially exonerated of any wrong doing

[The Franchise]

I had a pump needle to deflate the balls with on the sidelines.
I had towel with Crisco on it, and a hand warmer full flooring adhesive.
I also had a hand warmer full of atomic balm in HS that I used to rub all over opponents faces in the bottom of the pile when I played FS in HS,
:fire:

You could have saved a bunch of typing if you had just put "I was a douchebag" instead.

[beach tribe]

***BREAKING NEWS***

beach tribe, a junior varsity high school starter, deflated his footballs before games ... the Pats officially exonerated of any wrong doing

***OLD NEWS***

Hootie is a gullible moron..

[Hootie]

the odds of beach tribe being a QB are not good

his reflexes in madden were awful

[beach tribe]

You could have saved a bunch of typing if you had just put "I was a douchebag" instead.

Losing sucks, bro.

Seriously, though.

The beatings I took through the first couple games fucked with my head.
It was supposed to be the greatest time of my life, but the brutal beatings and some off the field issues had me in a very ugly state of mind.

So...

I was a douchebag.

[Bufkin]

Epic trolling going on in this thread. What a joy.
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1385/84/1385844349988.jpg

[beach tribe]

the odds of beach tribe being a QB are not good

his reflexes in madden were awful

While you were honing your thumbs I was honing my arm.

Oh, and BTW......madden is not like real football. Especially for cheesers like you.

[Hootie]

yeah I cheesed my way to picking you off with Berry about 9 times

[beach tribe]

Truth be told, I did deflate the balls in HS.
I rubbed atomic balm in one dudes face.
I poked a guy in the eye.
I hit a guy in throat.
Stepped on multiple hands.
Deflating the balls is the only act I don't feel bad about.
Like I said, I was in a bad state of mind in those days.
Very angry. I fought a lot. Drank a lot.
That was a very long time ago.

[eDave]

yeah I cheesed my way to picking you off with Berry about 9 times

This is getting lame.

[beach tribe]

yeah I cheesed my way to picking you off with Berry about 9 times

We played Madden 2008. God, you are a dumbass.

[Hootie]

We played Madden 2008. God, you are a dumbass.
No, bro, lol

We played 2012 ... I played you on the 360 ... 2008 I only had on the original. Maybe we played 2011.

[beach tribe]

I haven't owned Madden since 2010.
And I haven't lived in the house I was in when we played since 2009, so.....yeah.

[BucEyedPea]

The referee for the game was Walt Anderson. A key question in the investigation is whether the balls improperly passed inspection or were either switched or tampered with after Anderson's inspection.

http://weei.stats.com/fb/story.asp?i=20150121163846575457608&ref=rec&tm=17&src=NFL

[splatbass]

Only if Green Bay, Vikings, Bucs and( possibly even the Giants if nothing is supposed to be done to the balls whatsoever) and other teams got that for a punishment.

"They did it too" is not a legitimate excuse. it is something kids try and good parents see right through.

[BucEyedPea]

"They did it too" is not a legitimate excuse. it is something kids try and good parents see right through.

That's what's called a strawman argument. I didn't say that anywhere. I said the punishment should be equal to what others got for the same offense.

[MagicHef]

That's what's called a strawman argument. I didn't say that anywhere. I said the punishment should be equal to what others got for the same offense.

What the Patriots are being investigated for (and no, it is not yet proven) is tampering with the footballs AFTER the refs approved them. Surely you can see that this is not "the same offense".

[The Franchise]

When you get your 2nd DUI.....you should be punished the same as the people who get their 1st.....amirite?!

[GoChargers]

When you get your 2nd DUI.....you should be punished the same as the people who get their 1st.....amirite?!

By Boston homer "logic," all DUI's should just be swept under the rug. After all, if you're capable of driving while sober, it doesn't matter if you had a few drinks. :rolleyes:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You are pure fucking AIDS. I literally hope some traveling customer from Boston beats you to death with your serving tray.

[srvy]

In http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/tom-brady/deflating-footballs/deflate-gate



So, the 'greatest QB ever' (allegedly), is a cheater, and a liar ... and now has been the face of an organization that is in the midst of another cheating scandal.

In the first scandal, it was rumored that Flutie accidentally picked up his helmet and was amazed coaches were talking to him right up until the ball was snapped telling him exactly what to expect on the defensive side (NFL rules dictate all communication is cut off at 15 seconds on the playclock).

Now this?

What an incredible black eye to the New England Patriots and their golden boy, Tom Brady. Just disgusting.

In all honesty what is he supposed to do? Breakdown like he was just cross examined by Perry Mason or Matlock?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

In

In all honesty what is he supposed to do? Breakdown like he was just cross examined by Perry Mason or Matlock?

Angela Landsbury could break him!

[BucEyedPea]

When you get your 2nd DUI.....you should be punished the same as the people who get their 1st.....amirite?!

Drunk driving kills. Deflated footballs don't. Bad analogy.

[Jim Lahey]

http://dynastyfootballwarehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/herm-edwards.jpg

[Hootie]

You are pure fucking AIDS. I literally hope some traveling customer from Boston beats you to death with your serving tray.

you have no idea what I do for a living

I will say, without a doubt, I do know I make more money than you ... meth head

[ClevelandBronco]

Which thread gets this? All of them?

http://www.sportsradiokjr.com/media/play/toms-big-balls-25751615/

[Dylan]

New York Times columnist William C. Rhoden, is scathing about the NFL's 'continuing erosion' of their tarnished product. Then it says, "Here comes old reliable, the New England Patriots accused of cheating in the most absurd sort of way." LMAO


Excerpt: "Patriots Drag the N.F.L. Back Into Turbulence"
If Goodell wants to make a forceful statement, he should suspend Belichick for the Super Bowl. If he doesn’t, Belichick wins. But more likely, the N.F.L. will turn to its familiar playbook, go for the wallets again and call it a day.

If the balls were deflated on purpose, what he should hear Goodell saying is, “You’re going to have to win the Super Bowl without Belichick.”

For a change, let the joke be on New England.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/sports/football/patriots-drag-league-back-into-scandal.html?ref=sports

[Dylan]

The New York Times: New England Patriot's significantly under-inflated football:

The Rules: The urethane bladder inside the ball must be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds of pressure. The ball can weigh 14 to 15 ounces

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2015/01/21/nfl-balls/dbea5a71e59126c4536164883d148e43de608156/football-grip720-ai2html-600.png

11 of them came in under-inflated by two pounds of air (PSI) when weighed during the Patriots’ 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts.

Deflated Ball Strategy
Many players find that deflated balls are easier to grip, throw and catch, particularly in wet weather. It rained for most of the game in question. One downside to deflated balls is that they don’t travel as far when thrown. This disadvantage would have been less important to the Patriots, whose offense relies on mostly short passes. The Colts, who would have used their own footballs, tend to throw more long balls.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/01/21/sports/football/nfl-investigation-patriots-deflated-footballs.html

...........

Illustration: Passes in A.F.C. Championship Game



Yards the ball traveled in the air for passes beyond the line of scrimmage.
Incomplete pass Completed pass

New England Patriots
76%of attempts were less than ten yards

Indianapolis Colts
57%of attempts wereless than ten yards

http://nyti.ms/1J9u3ef Illustration - Scroll down

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

you have no idea what I do for a living

I will say, without a doubt, I do know I make more money than you ... meth head

I'm sure giving out free hand jobs with every Grand Slam breakfast nets you a fortune in tips!

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1333347277_hercules-nutty-professor-o.gif