Going to the OTB tonight for the 1st time

[Hootie]

and I have no idea how to bet, how to get lucky, etc...

I need tips

is there any place I can do some half ass research so I at least have a fighting chance?

I know NOTHING about betting ponies!

HELP!

[Saul Good]

Find the mush (won't take long), befriend him, and bet opposite his picks.

[eDave]

Find the mush (won't take long), befriend him, and bet opposite his picks.

That's as good as anything from my experience.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/betting-on-horse-racing-for-dummies-cheat-sheet.html

http://www.twinspires.com/

Wager Types:
Win
Your horse must finish first to collect. This is a $2 minimum wager at most tracks.

Place
Your horse must finish first or second to collect. This is a $2 minimum wager at most tracks.

Show
Your horse must finish first, second or third to collect. This is a $2 minimum wager at most tracks.

Exacta
You play two horses. They must come in first and second in EXACT order to collect. This is a $2 minimum wager at most tracks.

Exacta Box
You play two horses. They must come in first and second in EITHER order to collect. Since this has multiple wagers in combination, it is a $1 minimum wager at most tracks.

Trifecta
You play three horses. They must come in first, second, and third in EXACT order to collect. This is a $2 minimum wager at most tracks.

Trifecta Key
You play three horses. You chose one horse to win, called the key horse, who must come in first followed by the other two horses second and third in any order to collect. You may play more than two horses in second and third, which means any two of those horses can finish in those positions and you will win. Since this has multiple wagers in combination, it is a $1 minimum wager at most tracks.

Trifecta Box
You play three horses. They must finish first, second, and third in any order to collect. Since this has multiple wagers in combination, it is a $1 minimum wager at most tracks.

Superfecta
You play four horses. They must come in first, second, third, and fourth in EXACT order. This is a $2 minimum wager at most tracks.

Superfecta Box
You play four horses. They must finish first, second, third, and fourth in ANY order. Since this has multiple wagers in combination, it is a $1 minimum wager at most tracks and some even go as low as 10 cents for the minimum!

Superfecta Key
You play four horses. You chose one horse to win, called the key horse, who must come in first followed by the other three horses second, third, and fourth in any order to collect. You may play more than three horses in second, third, and fourth, which means any three of those horses can finish in those positions and you will win. You play four horses. They must finish first, second, third, and fourth in ANY order. Since this has multiple wagers in combination, it is a $1 minimum wager at most tracks and some even go as low as 10 cents for the minimum!

Multiple Combination Wager Costs
All costs are based on using a $1.00 minimum wager amount

Exacta Box
2 horse box - $2
3 horse box - $6
4 horse box - $12
5 horse box - $20
6 horse box - $30
7 horse box - $42
8 horse box - $56

Trifecta Box
3 horse box - $6
4 horse box - $24
5 horse box - $60
6 horse box - $120
7 horse box - $210
8 horse box - $336

Trifecta Key
1 horse over 3 others - $6
1 horse over 4 others - $12
1 horse over 5 others - $20
1 horse over 6 others - $30
1 horse over 7 others - $42

Superfecta Box
4 horse box - $24
5 horse box - $120
6 horse box - $360

Superfecta Key
1 horse over 3 others - $6
1 horse over 4 others - $24
1 horse over 5 others - $60
1 horse over 6 others - $120
1 horse over 7 others - $210

Win Odds and Payoffs for a $2.00 wager

1-9 $2.10 6-5 $4.40 3-1 $8.00 12-1 $26.00
1-5 $2.40 7-5 $4.80 4-1 $10.00 15-1 $32.00
2-5 $2.80 3-2 $5.00 9-2 $11.00 20-1 $42.00
1-2 $3.00 8-5 $5.20 5-1 $12.00 30-1 $62.00
3-5 $3.20 9-5 $5.60 6-1 $14.00 40-1 $82.00
4-5 $3.60 2-1 $6.00 8-1 $18.00 50-1 $102.00
1-1 $4.00 5-2 $7.00 10-1 $22.00

[Saul Good]

Some tracks refer to the exacta box as a quinella. It's my favorite way to wager on races.

[KCUnited]

I like the trifecta box.

[eDave]

Some tracks refer to the exacta box as a quinella. It's my favorite way to wager on races.

Yup. Exacta's are the way to go. Starting out.

[Old Dog]

Not really Saul. An exacta and quinella are different animals (you may know the difference, but someone else may not)
http://horseracebetting.org/quinella-versus-exacta

I will agree that it's generally my favorite wager though. Usually Key (or wheel depending on the track) one with two others.

[Hootie]

So if I wanna do exacta's all night ... just bet favorites, try and get lucky? What odd horses should I stay away from? 12:1 and lower?

[eDave]

So if I wanna do exacta's all night ... just bet favorites, try and get lucky? What odd horses should I stay away from? 12:1 and lower?

Unless you are big time into OTB, researching the horses, track, etc, this is your only real strategy. Others will help you out. It's not poker. Tip those guys.

[Old Dog]

So if I wanna do exacta's all night ... just bet favorites, try and get lucky? What odd horses should I stay away from? 12:1 and lower?

Which tracks are you looking at in particular?

Honestly without some research you're kind of just flinging shit against a wall to see if any sticks. (Not trying to be a dick, just telling it the way I see it)

[mr. tegu]

I had no idea On The Border took bets.

[Sully]

I had no idea On The Border took bets.

I bet if you order fajitas, and ask for a side of melted butter, you'll never leave.

[Gonzo]

Always look for the horse that takes a huge dump beforehand. They're lighter.

[eDave]

Always look for the horse that takes a huge dump beforehand. They're lighter.

Might be some truth to this considering how my cat tears through the house after a dump.

It's a more common 'good luck charm' if your horse urinates before, for the reason you gave. Jockey should clear as well.

Others:

A streak of gray in the tail
An imprint in the muscle commonly called Allah’s thumbprint
Unusual markings — just as long as they are not four white socks

[Saul Good]

Not really Saul. An exacta and quinella are different animals (you may know the difference, but someone else may not)
http://horseracebetting.org/quinella-versus-exacta

I will agree that it's generally my favorite wager though. Usually Key (or wheel depending on the track) one with two others.

Right. A quinella is an exacta in either order...an exacta box.

[Hootie]

Which tracks are you looking at in particular?

Honestly without some research you're kind of just flinging shit against a wall to see if any sticks. (Not trying to be a dick, just telling it the way I see it)
Haha. I have no idea. I figured it was a shit flinging ordeal. Do heavy favorites generally win, place or show? Is that the rule? How cute should I be getting?

[Saul Good]

Haha. I have no idea. I figured it was a shit flinging ordeal. Do heavy favorites generally win, place or show? Is that the rule? How cute should I be getting?

Bet the favorites to show for $2.00. At least you'll hit the window a few times.

You "win" at racetracks by drinking dollar beers all night.

[eDave]

You "win" at racetracks by drinking dollar beers all night.

Eggzactly. It's a lot of freakin fun all the way around.

[Gonzo]

I've also heard that the horse that's been using bull-shark testosterone is easy to spot.

[Pablo]

The races are so much fun. I haven't been in forever and don't have any sort of advice to offer; but I know you'll have a good time.

[gblowfish]

Go to the car title place, cash your car out, put it all on Lucky Dan to win.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I love OTB. I get the pick 3 with a beef taco, chile relleno, and beef empanadas.

[eDave]

Go to the car title place, cash your car out, put it all on Lucky Dan to win.

Lucky Dan's a mudder. Love's the slop. Can't get enough of the slop.

[Saul Good]

I had no idea On The Border took bets.

I love OTB. I get the pick 3 with a beef taco, chile relleno, and beef empanadas.

Tegu already used that one, you fucking unoriginal bastard...piece of repeatin' shit.

[eDave]

Tegu already used that one, you fucking unoriginal bastard...piece of repeatin' shit.

Is this the new "Q"?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Bet the favorites to show for $2.00. At least you'll hit the window a few times.

You "win" at racetracks by drinking dollar beers all night.

This.

If you go to make money, you're probably going to be disappointed.

Take some cash you're willing to lose, drink like a machine and enjoy the evening.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

A good way to get lucky is to put 5 bucks on 1 number in every race, i usually go with 1,3, or 7. Reason is 3, and 7 are my lucky numbers and the 1 is the inside. It's worked great for me. Also watch that horse racing channel. Those guys nail some of their pick 4's for big money. The tickets can get pricey but when it pops its good for thousands at times.

[eDave]

A good way to get lucky is to put 5 bucks on 1 number in every race. It's worked great for me. Also watch that horse racing channel. Those guys nail some of their pick 4's for big money. The tickets can get pricey but when it pops its good for thousands at times.

Sounds so easy!

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Sounds so easy!

It's so easy I very rarely play the ponies!

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I do love dog racing though...

[Saul Good]

I do love dog racing though...

Dog racing rules. It makes NFL fans seem cosmopolitan.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Dog racing rules. It makes NFL fans seem cosmopolitan.

LMAO

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I went to the Woodlands ten years ago during a Saturday day with a friend to bet on dog races. I did terrible comparatively, but spent almost no money and it was fun.

I still remember a dog's name: Skittles Drive.

They actually use the blood samples from racing Greyhounds for transfusions at Vet hospitals.

[cabletech94]

waiting for an update.

how'd that shit go down hootster?!

[Hootie]

I was up $398 LMAO after 5 races

ended up $1.20 up

hahaha

[Hootie]

I did win $825 in FanDuel last night ... so fucks given? 0

[Hootie]

well I was up $1.20 and bought 4 rounds ... so technically up $41.20

[Titty Meat]

and I have no idea how to bet, how to get lucky, etc...

I need tips

is there any place I can do some half ass research so I at least have a fighting chance?

I know NOTHING about betting ponies!

HELP!

You said you were giving up gambling....

[Hootie]

You said you were giving up gambling....

I can assure you I never, ever, ever said that. I get more enjoyment out of gambling than I do with sex.

[stevieray]

I can assure you I never, ever, ever said that. I get more enjoyment out of gambling than I do with sex.

except with sex, you stay up $398.

[stumppy]

Go to the car title place, cash your car out, put it all on Lucky Dan to win.

Better yet, go home and get your car, your title, and your wife. Come back and we'll dicker.

[Titty Meat]

except with sex, you stay up $398.

ROFL

Not if he doesn't wear a condom.

[Simply Red]

and I have no idea how to bet, how to get lucky, etc...

I need tips

is there any place I can do some half ass research so I at least have a fighting chance?

I know NOTHING about betting ponies!

HELP!

You will most likely be a fan for life - My Father and my Granddad both live at the tracks. Dad goes basically every weekend. I never got into that sort of thing - I've had great luck w/ draw games such as Keno where you actually can get lucky - since they draw 20 numbers ranging from 1-80 -- I've won a lot more than Dad EVER did - I've hit 2500$ about 3 times - 5k twice and 50k once - a little over a year ago. So... Just saying - also Mo and Ks Lotto both offer Keno once every few minutes - you could literally play all day - As sometimes I do. Also the prizes are very close to the same amount as Ga lotto's.


http://www.molottery.com/club_keno/club_keno.shtm

[Simply Red]

Not to hijack your thread hoot, but also; Ga Lottery airs a game once every four mins. online - on their site. So you could play from 6am to 1pm in Georgia, online.

I generally buy 20 game increments - and sometimes man - i swear to God those numbers just come. It's the Lotto's best kept secret - if you play it enough, one could win 2-4 yr. semi life changing prizes.

[Hootie]

except with sex, you stay up $398.

I feel like, at best, I stay even

[Hootie]

no hijack; I hit huge on fanduel last night ... I would've lost my $200 (instead of going even) at the tracks if my friends weren't all down and ready to leave

no doubt

I hit a $3 super-trifecta and was off to the races!

Unfortunately, instead of being happy I just bet ridiculous amounts going for the gold!

[Rausch]

What is the OTB?...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

What is the OTB?...

Off track betting. Usually a casino or bar that had authorized attendants to accept your bets on the races.

[Rausch]

Off track betting. Usually a casino or bar that had authorized attendants to accept your bets on the races.

His ass is lost...

[Simply Red]

I won 5k last night, actually - If anyone would like proof - that's doable right now. w/in 2 or 3 mins.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I won 5k last night, actually - If anyone would like proof - that's doable right now. w/in 2 or 3 mins.

Sweet. I need to do that! I have horrible luck at lottery, scratchers, and keno. I've given up.

[OnTheWarpath15]

If you make it to STL this spring/summer, I'll take you to the live track. SOOOOO much fun.

[Hootie]

St Louis is 2 hours away, man

I can make it any time

[Hootie]

I won 5k last night, actually - If anyone would like proof - that's doable right now. w/in 2 or 3 mins.

you're just a nice guy

lucky nice guy

there is no way Keno can be that easy / profitable

otherwise, everyone would do it

[Hootie]

I don't even wanna tell you guys how much I spent on drinks last night afterwards

I did pull off a pretty good move, though

my friends wanted to ditch a bar and I was talking to a girl ... so I closed my tab, wrote my number on my receipt, I stuffed it down her shirt (real classy girl)

texted me within 2 minutes

[Rausch]

I did pull off a pretty good move, though

my friends wanted to ditch a bar and I was talking to a girl ... so I closed my tab, wrote my number on my receipt, I stuffed it down her shirt (real classy girl)

texted me within 2 minutes

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/No_14c07c_1811129.gif

[KCUnited]

I loved going to the Woodlands even as it got MRSA dirty towards the end.

[Simply Red]

I spend quite a bit.

But there absolutely ARE tricks.

Here's a few things I do:

I try to play at times where you know there are a lot of players, my thing is is the Ga Lotto HAS to regulate the winnings - therefore they control the numbers as best as they can. HOWEVER you get a lot of different games going - because in Georgia the bars carry live Keno - so the MORE players you have - the better your chances - because when you have a BUNCH of players throughout the state simultaneously playing - it's MUCH harder for them to regulate - and I find I win biggest between 7-10pm Thur Fri and Sat nights. That's my best guess as to how it happens behind the curtain.

I ALWAYS play multiplier - it's an extra dollar - so it turns a dollar game into a two dollar game - but it's worth it.

While I pick my numbers I try to be completely empty minded and just pick as fast as possible w/o ANY thought - it's hard - but if you empty your mind entirely of any methodical number picking - you'll have your best rounds, I find.

I do play a lot - I pay all my bills have an established bank account - I don't drink nor have a SO to answer to - so that's my little escape.

Most don't know of Keno's potential because they don't play enough - however I'd never wish the addiction on anyone - because it certainly can win. But GENERALLY it reciprocates nicely - so often you'll find yourself playing with house money. I won't tell you how much I spend on it per week. But I assure you - I'll hit at least 10k again this year - Mark my words.

[Simply Red]

I like 8 spots - if you hit 8 you get 10k x however much the multiplier is - that's how I hit my 50k last year - was I had a five time multiplier and cashed all 8 numbers.

However at times - I'll buy 10 cards w/ three games per - 3 spots - $2 games - so with this stategy - if they pick 3 numbers out of the twenty they draw between 1 and 80 - you'd get $50 if your numbers come - and then whatever the multiplier - it could be 10x meaning you'd win $500 - There are times I do this method and win $700 or more - off of $120....

The odds are MUCh higher to hit a 3-spot. I DO hit 6 out of 8 about every weekend though. So that's how close I ALWAYS come to at least ten k -- (two numbers away)

[Simply Red]

so lastly - last night - that's how I hit 5k - 7 out of 8 = $500 + 10x multiplier ='s $5,000.00

[Simply Red]

It will put me in the next tax bracket if I claim it as income - I'm giving it to mom to bear and then offering her like $950 for booking it as partial income next tax season. That's why i need to hit 100k ROFL.

[Simply Red]

One last keno thing then i'll dip - but if you do play Keno via the Missouri Lotto - I don't think they spin live games - I think the best you can do is look up the game results. It's fun to watch them draw though, such as below.

I tinkered w/ MO Lotto's site and couldn't find the live games - I'm not sure it's offered. See Georgia's below and click watch latest draw, to see how they do it.


http://www.galottery.com/kenotogo/

[Hootie]

you're a good guy Simply Red

definitely nice

[Simply Red]

Thanks Hootie (likewise) - I've backed you since day one. Big fan

[OnTheWarpath15]

St Louis is 2 hours away, man

I can make it any time

I just looked at the schedule. They go live with Saturday night racing the weekend after the Derby.

They start Saturday afternoon live races the last Saturday in March.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Calling our shot now.

Cards/Royals at Busch on June 13. 3:00 start, plenty of time to make the 7:30 post.

[Simply Red]

Hope you hit tonight. Some times first visits are lucky. Closed-circuit or live. My dad hits the ones in Omaha up, often, drives up there I guess. Rolls out in that big pimpin silver Buick Lucerne.

[Hootie]

Calling our shot now.

Cards/Royals at Busch on June 13. 3:00 start, plenty of time to make the 7:30 post.

Totally.

I think I can get 4 really good really cheap tickets to that game, too.

Let's do it.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Totally.

I think I can get 4 really good really cheap tickets to that game, too.

Let's do it.

Let me know, I'm down.

[Simply Red]

any wins?

[scho63]

Some tracks refer to the exacta box as a quinella. It's my favorite way to wager on races.

I go to Monmouth Park once a year with a large group of 80-100 people and we reserve a picnic box along the rails.
http://www.monmouthpark.com/

I win just about every year with the exacta box.
I never bet a race with less than 7 horses-no good odds or payout is shit
I always take one or two favorites with 2-3 longer shots to add to my box bet.
I usually bet $20-$60 per race.
I normally bet 7 out of 12 races due to all the scratches or only 5-6 horses running
One good win is usually $250-400 easily if the longer shot beats the favorite

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