Let's do the cap space thing again...

[Direckshun]

The way everything is set up right now, we have $5.5m in cap space.

Place that non-football injury designation on Berry, saves $6m.

Extend Sean Smith @ 3 years, $24m, saves $6m.

Extend Hali @ 3 years, $15m, saves $7m.

Cut Devito, $4m.

Cut Daniel, $3.8m.

Cut Fasano, $2m.

Cut Avery, $3.5m.

Cut Stephenson & Jenkins, $2m.

Cut Joe Mays, $3m.

That creates approximately $42m in cap space.

Approximately $5-6m goes to Hudson, $16-17m goes to Houston, and $6-7m or so will go to our rookie contracts.

That gives us $15-18m in cap space.

You can pull in a good linebacker, a solid swing tackle (which we might already have in Sherrod), and have approximately $10m left over to boost the WR corps.

Thoughts.

[TribalElder]

Skeet

[TribalElder]

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[TribalElder]

They better pay Houston, isn't poe in the on deck circle

[O.city]

would be a good way to do it

[chiefzilla1501]

Approach 1:
-$30M signing bonus. Pay all $30M up front on a 5 year contract. You owe $6M per year plus base salary

Approach 2:
-Year 1: Pay $15M signing bonus
-Year 2: Offer a $15M roster bonus in year 2. Convert it into signing bonus.
Year 1 = $3M cap hit + base salary

The signing bonus ends up the same. One way, you pay a shitload in year 1 against the cap. Approach 2, you defer the cap hit to year 2.

It's way it's silly for anyone to worry about our 2015 cap.

[RealSNR]

Just go buy a starting LG who won't suck and be done with it.

I'd rather do that than sit through a rookie 2nd or 3rd round guy and get told, "Shhhh! Be quiet! He's developing!"

[O.city]

Just go buy a starting LG who won't suck and be done with it.

I'd rather do that than sit through a rookie 2nd or 3rd round guy and get told, "Shhhh! Be quiet! He's developing!"

I bet they end up drafting the guy from lsu early this year

[Hammock Parties]

So no need to cut Bowe.

[Direckshun]

So no need to cut Bowe.

That is my position.

[Direckshun]

Just go buy a starting LG who won't suck and be done with it.

I'd rather do that than sit through a rookie 2nd or 3rd round guy and get told, "Shhhh! Be quiet! He's developing!"

Jeff Allen

[O.city]

Id much rather have Bowe at 14 mil, than fasano, stephenson, daniel etc at whatever they make.

[Direckshun]

If you want to cut Bowe, then

1. Invest at WR in free agency.

2. Draft DeVante Parker from Louisville.

[RealSNR]

I bet they end up drafting the guy from lsu early this year

Great. Can't wait for the "He's got an incredible, athletic skillset, but he needs to build up strength and technique" speech from coaches

[Simply Red]

Jack Shit.

[RealSNR]

Jeff Allen

Then we may as well take that money and get an extension going for Poe.

I really don't get two shits about wasting money on Cecil Shorts.

[ThaVirus]

Jack Shit.


Bring him in for a look?

[Simply Red]

I can't wait until we get a receiver - You know what?

I joke around a lot - of course. But I really think we will win the West right now, next season. Unless there is something drastic that happens, we got that shit i'm sure of it.

[ThaVirus]

Remember, we were all complaining about how much Jeff Allen sucked before we got a taste of Mike Mcglynn.

Oh.. How little we knew..

[Simply Red]

love our young guys on O.

[RunKC]

Just go buy a starting LG who won't suck and be done with it.

I'd rather do that than sit through a rookie 2nd or 3rd round guy and get told, "Shhhh! Be quiet! He's developing!"

Jeff Allen is in a contract year so he's going to be doing his best to look good. He wasn't that bad in pass D either. If he's healthy I think they'll roll with him.

I'd still draft a G in rd 3-5 to develop behind him though.

[TimBone]

Fuck that. I do not want to roll into the season depending on Jeff Fucking Allen at LG. Anybody got a list of the available guards in FA?

I'm with SNR. Get a solid vet and be done with it.

[Kylo Ren]

So, is it official? Has Stephenson gone from hero to zero? In 2013 everyone thought he was the answer at RT. Now, most of you want him cut? Does anyone know what happened to him? If he could get back to his 2013 form, wouldn't he be an asset to the O-line in 2015?

[ThaVirus]

I liked Stephenson.

Not sure what's up with that guy..

[penbrook]

**** that. I do not want to roll into the season depending on Jeff ****ing Allen at LG. Anybody got a list of the available guards in FA?

I'm with SNR. Get a solid vet and be done with it.

Three guards that I really like are Orlando Franklin, Clint Boling, and Mike Iupati

[TimBone]

Three guards that I really like are Orlando Franklin, Clint Boling, and Mike Iupati
Boling is the cat from Cincy, right? I think I'd prefer him over Franklin.

[CaliforniaChief]

If they NFI Berry does that mean they don't pay him anything?

That's a bit sticky, IMO. I don't know the whole deal, though.

[penbrook]

Boling is the cat from Cincy, right? I think I'd prefer him over Franklin.

Yes he is. He's the LG from the bengals. He's only 25 too

[RealSNR]

I liked Stephenson.

Not sure what's up with that guy..

Keep in mind that Reid is the same coach who benched Sean Smith for all of the preseason until we had too many injuries in the secondary for Week 1. And then Sean Smith was PFF's #1 rated CB or whatever his ranking was by whatever player rating site.

Just because the Chiefs continued to start Ryan Harris after Week 4 doesn't mean Stephenson is now a piece of shit.

[KCrockaholic]

I literally can't read these. It's too much sometimes. Not just this post, but I mean all the shit that's compiled over numerous times.

[KCrockaholic]

Tbh, I likely can't read these because of the whiskeys.

[Direckshun]

Keep in mind that Reid is the same coach who benched Sean Smith for all of the preseason until we had too many injuries in the secondary for Week 1. And then Sean Smith was PFF's #1 rated CB or whatever his ranking was by whatever player rating site.

Just because the Chiefs continued to start Ryan Harris after Week 4 doesn't mean Stephenson is now a piece of shit.

Stephenson played like a french kindergardener this year.

[RealSNR]

Stephenson played like a french kindergardener this year.

What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't kidnap and rape Donald Stephenson

[penbrook]

What the **** are you talking about? I didn't kidnap and rape Donald Stephenson this year.

Terez Paylor said Stephenson didn't start because he basically had to regain the staffs trust and he couldn't do it this year

[J Diddy]

If they NFI Berry does that mean they don't pay him anything?

That's a bit sticky, IMO. I don't know the whole deal, though.

Perhaps, however, it's not like they didn't pay him more than I've made in my life thus far while he didn't pay. They've given him a great shot at beating this thing.

[Direckshun]

My understanding is that the NFI designation gives us like a 75% discount.

[Discuss Thrower]

Sauce?

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'm curious as to where you're getting $5.5M of cap space.

Spotrac has us ending 2014 at $1.1M and has us $9M OVER the cap as of right now, with 10 extra players signed.

[Hoover]

If we go out and get a legit starting guard and keep Bowe, we find ourselves in an ideal position for the upcoming draft. I'm not sure that we need to go out and spend a bunch of FA money on a WR because I'm not sure its an impactful move. Now we have to do it if we cut Bowe, but if we keep him I think we are better off drafting a guy in the first round. I'm an Alex Smith fan, but I also acknowledge that its not like we will ever have a WR who will lead the team in targets as long as he is under center.

[Direckshun]

I'm curious as to where you're getting $5.5M of cap space.

Spotrac has us ending 2014 at $1.1M and has us $9M OVER the cap as of right now, with 10 extra players signed.

I've always gone by OvertheCap.com, which has our top 51 contracts on the books at $144.5m, against a projected $150m cap.

[BigRock]

My understanding is that the NFI designation gives us like a 75% discount.

I don't think there is a set amount. It's whatever the team chooses to pay. They have the option to pay a guy on NFI nothing, but that's not going to happen with Berry. It would be a PR nightmare.

Presumably they'll work something out with him. He might tell them to keep 90%, who knows. But until something official is known, I wouldn't bank on a huge discount.

[DenverChief]

I still think Daniel has trade value

[chiefzilla1501]

Fuck that. I do not want to roll into the season depending on Jeff Fucking Allen at LG. Anybody got a list of the available guards in FA?

I'm with SNR. Get a solid vet and be done with it.
I don't know why we've started overvaluing the guard position. Was anybody complaining about our guard play when we had Jeff Allen and mediocre Geoffrey Schwartz?

Our problem last year wasn't that we didn't have very good guards. Our problem was we started two very bad guards. Allen plus a quality starter at guard is a massive upgrade to our interior line. If Stephenson can find a way back to 2013 form, honestly, the simple addition of one RG makes our line significantly better.

[Bowser]

We should just use the slide rule the Broncos use in figuring out their cap. Seems to work pretty well for them.

[Simply Red]

I still think Daniel has trade value

I agree -- He'll bring something over back to KC in exchange. No doubt.

[Bowser]

I agree -- He'll bring something over back to KC in exchange. No doubt.

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[BigCatDaddy]

If they give Hali 5 million to be a backup LB I'll be livid.

[Simply Red]

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[GloryDayz]

So no need to cut Bowe.

Well if we want to keep the 45+ year tradition intact, we're going to need players like him to ensure that streak continues.

[Nightfyre]

There is also room to restructure DJ. I think there is also a mutually beneficial re-structuring that can take place with Bowe.

[Iconic]

Approach 1:
-$30M signing bonus. Pay all $30M up front on a 5 year contract. You owe $6M per year plus base salary


I like this.

[J Diddy]

If they give Hali 5 million to be a backup LB I'll be livid.

Hali won't be a backup. I see them using Dee Ford in a rotational role to spell Hali and Houston if they keep Hali. To me that's a win, win. Ungassed constant pressure right at them bitches.

[Easy 6]

I like what Direckshun has done, everyone we have to keep is kept and everyone we dont is cut... theres even some good scratch left over for bolstering the receivers etc.

[BigCatDaddy]

Hali won't be a backup. I see them using Dee Ford in a rotational role to spell Hali and Houston if they keep Hali. To me that's a win, win. Ungassed constant pressure right at them bitches.

You don't spend a 1st or spend 5 million on a rotational guy. Hali is either gone or making far less than 5mill/year. Ford will be starting.

[TimBone]

I don't know why we've started overvaluing the guard position. Was anybody complaining about our guard play when we had Jeff Allen and mediocre Geoffrey Schwartz?

Our problem last year wasn't that we didn't have very good guards. Our problem was we started two very bad guards. Allen plus a quality starter at guard is a massive upgrade to our interior line. If Stephenson can find a way back to 2013 form, honestly, the simple addition of one RG makes our line significantly better.
There were plenty of complaints about the O-line when Allen was playing, and lots of them centered around him.

[BigCatDaddy]

There were plenty of complaints about the O-line when Allen was playing, and lots of them centered around him.

He sucked at G, but just sucked a little less at RT.

[O.city]

Ford needs to be playing, I don't see Hali back unless it's very cheap.

[Easy 6]

There were plenty of complaints about the O-line when Allen was playing, and lots of them centered around him.

Absolutely, Jeff Allen is totally replaceable, just because he may be somewhat better than a Linkenbach or McGroin doesnt mean he's a guy I want starting... never cared for him to begin with, and his absence definitely hasnt made my heart grow fonder.

[DenverChief]

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Why do you say that? There are teams desperate for a solid starting QB and Daniel has proven he can be a winner. Not Andrew Luck winner but Frank Reich kinda winner. I'd be willing to bet that there are a few teams willing ot sacrifice a 4th-5th round draft pick for him

[kccrow]

My understanding is that the NFI designation gives us like a 75% discount.

The Chiefs have to designate a percentage of the contract they will pay when they put him on the NFI list. It can be 0% to 100%, doesn't matter.

[penbrook]

There is also room to restructure DJ. I think there is also a mutually beneficial re-structuring that can take place with Bowe.

This is DJs contract year so you can't restructure his contract unless he signs a extension which if he comes back to form this year he will get.

[WhiteWhale]

Why do you say that? There are teams desperate for a solid starting QB and Daniel has proven he can be a winner. Not Andrew Luck winner but Frank Reich kinda winner. I'd be willing to bet that there are a few teams willing ot sacrifice a 4th-5th round draft pick for him

Chase Daniel has a 1-1 record. He doesn't even have 100 career attempts. In those 75 attempts, he's been mediocre at best.

Nobody is giving up a draft pick for Daniel.

[Nightfyre]

I think your current projection is rosy, Direckshun. Jason Lacanfora tweeted: "NFL Management Council informed teams at league meeting today '15 cap projects b/n $138.6M-$141.8M. I bet it ends up higher. Often does"

Using the average of the NFL Management Council projections, I think we currently are OVER the cap by 6,488,000.

[BigCatDaddy]

Why do you say that? There are teams desperate for a solid starting QB and Daniel has proven he can be a winner. Not Andrew Luck winner but Frank Reich kinda winner. I'd be willing to bet that there are a few teams willing ot sacrifice a 4th-5th round draft pick for him

Carson Palmer only brought back a fifth or less I believe.

[Nightfyre]

I have completed a very thorough review of the Chiefs cap situation, but it required a buttload of work so I think it merits its own thread.

[GloryDayz]

Chase Daniel has a 1-1 record. He doesn't even have 100 career attempts. In those 75 attempts, he's been mediocre at best.

Nobody is giving up a draft pick for Daniel.

Wow, if those things mattered Fisher would have been shot by a firing sqaud by now!

Chase is fine. Hell, his one start was done about as "cold" as could be for a starter, all because the cunt QB fuckers like Fat-Andy and Dorsey have in front of him wasted two days of that week's practice pretending his pussy wasn't bleeding!

It doesn't matter what I think because the Fatty and Dorsey are willing to go down with Alex at the helm, we'll all just have to wait until the three are gone.

[chiefzilla1501]

Wow, if those things mattered Fisher would have been shot by a firing sqaud by now!

Chase is fine. Hell, his one start was done about as "cold" as could be for a starter, all because the **** QB ****ers like Fat-Andy and Dorsey have in front of him wasted two days of that week's practice pretending his pussy wasn't bleeding!

It doesn't matter what I think because the Fatty and Dorsey are willing to go down with Alex at the helm, we'll all just have to wait until the three are gone.

I know I sound like an apologist, but I still think the Alex Smith decision is all Andy.

[BossChief]

I think your current projection is rosy, Direckshun. Jason Lacanfora tweeted: "NFL Management Council informed teams at league meeting today '15 cap projects b/n $138.6M-$141.8M. I bet it ends up higher. Often does"

Using the average of the NFL Management Council projections, I think we currently are OVER the cap by 6,488,000.

The cap will be north of 145

[BossChief]

Chase Daniel has a 1-1 record. He doesn't even have 100 career attempts. In those 75 attempts, he's been mediocre at best.

Nobody is giving up a draft pick for Daniel.

Chase Daniel should be 2-0 (if it weren't for the refs screwing up the 2013 finale) and both wins were against playoff teams.

He has also displayed mobility, field awareness, ball protection, ability to go through reads and progressions and won't cost an arm and a leg.

Somebody is gonna trade for him.

[BossChief]

Wow, if those things mattered Fisher would have been shot by a firing sqaud by now!

Chase is fine. Hell, his one start was done about as "cold" as could be for a starter, all because the **** QB ****ers like Fat-Andy and Dorsey have in front of him wasted two days of that week's practice pretending his pussy wasn't bleeding!

It doesn't matter what I think because the Fatty and Dorsey are willing to go down with Alex at the helm, we'll all just have to wait until the three are gone.

These guys aren't Pioli

[BigMeatballDave]

These guys aren't Pioli

Dorsey is worse if you ask Rausch. :)

[Bowser]

Dorsey is worse if you ask Rausch. :)

He's angry and drunk, though.

[GloryDayz]

I know I sound like an apologist, but I still think the Alex Smith decision is all Andy.

Well I've never been accused of calling Fat-Andy very smart. He's better than some "football" coaches, but not many NFL coaches. He's just Dorsey's and Chunt's tiny little dick...

[GloryDayz]

These guys aren't Pioli
Nope, together they are indeed an upgrade from Pioli's F----- to a straight F.

[BossChief]

Nope, together they are indeed an upgrade from Pioli's F----- to a straight F.

Haha

What?

I think that's more than a little silly.

[scho63]

The way everything is set up right now, we have $5.5m in cap space.

Cut Devito, $4m.

Thoughts.

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