Josh Gordon flunked another drug test

[Hammock Parties]

:LOL:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Browns WR Josh Gordon flunked another drug test and now will be subject to a one-year banishment, per league sources. More on ESPN @ 6 pm.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/559452358435160064">January 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[BigMeatballDave]

Wow. He's not far from a permanent ban.

It's sad since he's so talented.

[chiefzilla1501]

Holy fucking shit

[Mr. Laz]

dude is a total addict



has to be


might be the end of his career because dont' they have to prove themselves clean before they are reinstated after the year suspension?

[listopencil]

Tried "second hand smoke" before:



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24641895/report-josh-gordon-barely-failed-drug-test-will-argue-2nd-hand-smoke

Browns (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/CLE/cleveland-browns) wide receiver Josh Gordon (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1686045/josh-gordon) will try to win his own appeal on Friday and he'll be doing it with the same lawyer who helped Sherman win his case: Maurice Suh. Gordon began working with Suh in early July, according to ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11281430/josh-gordon-legal-team-say-second-hand-smoke-reason-positive-marijuana-test). During his appeal, Gordon will argue that his failed drug test was a result of second-hand smoke. Gordon's failed test came out at 16 nanograms per milliliter, just one nanogram above the NFL's threshold of 15 nanograms per milliliter. Gordon's drug test consisted of two samples. The 'A' sample was the one that failed, while a second 'B' sample passed the NFL's drug threshold, measuring at 13.63 ng/ml. The discrepancy will also play apart in Gordon's argument because both the 'A' sample and 'B' sample came from the same specimen, meaning they should have tested out to almost the same number. According to ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/29/gordons-appeal-focuses-on-disparity-between-a-and-b-bottle-tests/), Gordon has passed at least 70 drug tests since being entered into Stage III of the NFL's drug program last year. Gordon was suspended for the first two games of 2013 (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/22369928/josh-gordon-suspended-two-games-for-substance-abuse-violation) after allegedly using cough syrup that contained codeine, a banned substance.

[Eleazar]

He's like a real life case of brewster's millions. Finding a way to blow his entire contract without having anything to show for it

[Bufkin]

I'd be doing a lot more than the devil's lettuce if Johnny Leaf was my potential starting QB.

[royalschiefs]

And there are people who want us to use a 1st rounder on DGB...

Lol.

[Molitoth]

I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, but Gordon is a fucking idiot.
Stay away from the smokers dumbass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eleazar]

And there are people who want us to use a 1st rounder on DGB...

Lol.

I don't think a once-in-a-generation level dumbass like Josh Gordon says much about a garden variety dumbass like DGB (or Bowe, for that matter, who has been suspended twice now)

[Discuss Thrower]

Dorial is thrice as likely to be a Josh Gordon than he is to be a Dwayne Bowe.. or a Dez Bryant.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>And as <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk">@ProFootballTalk</a> said, this was for alcohol. This step for Gordon would be 1-year banishment. Means no going to the facility at all.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/559458110935678976">January 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Discuss Thrower]

That being said, I'm calling my shot on him being comeback player of the year when he winds up on the Patriots for vet minimum and wins a SB in Brady's swan song season in '16.

[listopencil]

Wow. That's pretty harsh. Tested positive for alcohol, like our drunken ex-kicker.

[Easy 6]

You just cant trust a ****ing car salesman.

[RealSNR]

I don't think a once-in-a-generation level dumbass like Josh Gordon says much about a garden variety dumbass like DGB (or Bowe, for that matter, who has been suspended twice now)

DGB pushed a woman down the motherfucking stairs.

Not exactly the same thing as getting caught with an over-the-counter diuretic. Especially after what happened last year with Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson

[thabear04]

Well back to selling cars.

[Red Dawg]

He may as well quit. Goodell should just kick him out since no punishment will teach him a lesson anyway.

[58-4ever]

Weed should be legal in the NFL..

[Katipan]

I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, but Gordon is a ****ing idiot.
Stay away from the smokers dumbass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you really think he tested over from second hand smoke?

[MMXcalibur]

Slave to a fucking plant.
Way to go, dipshit.

[Rain Man]

He really should study more.

[Discuss Thrower]

Major props to the league for staying consistent with what constitutes drug abuse.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

What a god damned shame. Addicts are sick, and we have no idea as a society of how to fix this problem.

[Pitt Gorilla]

And there are people who want us to use a 1st rounder on DGB...

Lol.
Yeah, they probably want us to sign Houston as well. Lol.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

And there are people who want us to use a 1st rounder on DGB...

Lol.

Draft another fat ass, retard. You deserve to root for a loser.

[BigMeatballDave]

I don't think a once-in-a-generation level dumbass like Josh Gordon says much about a garden variety dumbass like DGB (or Bowe, for that matter, who has been suspended twice now)

Bowe has been suspended 5 total games.

4 for a diuretic.

And one for 'Faulty Equipment'.

He's never failed a drug test for Marijuana.

[listopencil]

Do you really think he tested over from second hand smoke?

To be clear:

That was an old article. At that time he had two samples, one was slightly over the second hand smoke limit and one was slightly under. That's why he was appealing. His side felt that taken together the samples could be reasonably determined to be indicative of second hand smoke rather than usage. This is a different situation. I thought he had gotten popped for pot this time. I was wrong, he got popped for alcohol use.

[BigMeatballDave]

Do you really think he tested over from second hand smoke?

He was only receiving a 'shotgun'.

Thats second-hand. Right? :)

[Katipan]

To be clear:

That was an old article. At that time he had two samples, one was slightly over the second hand smoke limit and one was slightly under. That's why he was appealing. His side felt that taken together the samples could be reasonably determined to be indicative of second hand smoke rather than usage. This is a different situation. I thought he had gotten popped for pot this time. I was wrong, he got popped for alcohol use.

Thats cool, Listo. And you know I think the fact that they can't smoke pot is a TRAVESTY. Drop the codeine and nubain.

But if I hear an adult blame second hand smoke I can't help but think they are still high. You'd have to be in a closet for an extended amount of time.

And if you were willing to do that, **** off.

[Katipan]

He's was only receiving a 'shotgun'.

Thats second-hand. Right? :)

I haven't smoked allllll day long due to parental duties.

I'm pretty sure I just started drooling.

[listopencil]

Thats cool, Listo. And you know I think the fact that they can't smoke pot is a TRAVESTY. Drop the codine and nubain.

But if I hear an adult blame second hand smoke I can't help but think they are still high. You'd have to be in a closet for an extended amount of time.

And if you were willing to do that, fuck off.

I don't know from experience what kind of exposure needs to happen for a person to get popped for second hand smoke. Pot has never been my thing. I tried it once a loooong time ago and I found that alcohol fills the niche for me instead. Now I just get paranoid around people when they smoke it because we have pee tests at work, lol. So I stay away from it. But, anyway, I don't think it should be illegal. For the same reasons that alcohol, nicotine and caffeine aren't illegal.

[Mr. Laz]

Weed should be legal in the NFL..

Do you really think he tested over from second hand smoke?

Slave to a fucking plant.
Way to go, dipshit.
It was alcohol this time.

Weed put him in the extreme program so now Alcohol is off limits too.


I've never heard of second hand drunk.


sucked so much dick from a bunch of drunk dudes that he got intoxicated?

[listopencil]

Oh and I agree on the codiene/nubain. I have personally witnessed the properties that people refer to as medicinal when talking about marijuana use.

[MMXcalibur]

It was alcohol this time.

Weed put him in the extreme program so now Alcohol is off limits too.


I've never heard of second hand drunk.


sucked so much dick from a bunch of drunk dudes that he got intoxicated?

Yeah, I just read more up on it.
Still a shame.

[Iowanian]

When his money is all gone and his posse has abandoned him, and he's working at a car wash for rent money, I hope he finally understands how bad HE screwed up his life.

What a pathetic loser.

[58-4ever]

When his money is all gone and his posse has abandoned him, and he's working at a car wash for rent money, I hope he finally understands how bad HE screwed up his life.

What a pathetic loser.

I'm sure this is happening as we speak.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Not condoning his actions, but how fucking unlucky do you have to be to get caught with alcohol in your system?

It can't possibly stay in your system very long. Dude must have been tested the morning after or something.

[notorious]

Josh Gordan should kill himself.

[Marcellus]

And people said we should trade for this guy.

Regardless of what you think of the league rules, he knows them, knows where he is at, and still does this shit.

Wasted draft pick, wasted money. He would rather party than play.

[Marcellus]

Not condoning his actions, but how ****ing unlucky do you have to be to get caught with alcohol in your system?

It can't possibly stay in your system very long. Dude must have been tested the morning after or something.



LMAO

He isn't unlucky, they could probably test him most mornings and find something.

He is a moron.

[ClevelandBronco]

And people said we should trade for this guy.

Regardless of what you think of the league rules, he knows them, knows where he is at, and still does this shit.

Wasted draft pick, wasted money. He would rather party than play.

That's the most likely explanation. Another possibility is that he has quite literally lost his ability to choose. If he's ill, I hope he has enough left in the tank and the bank to go get some help. If he's just a wild and crazy guy, more power to him. It's his life.

[notorious]

All that the dumbass had to do was sit on his hands for a few months and he would be rich.


How this brain-dead **** has survived this long is a mystery. He is almost too stupid to breathe.

[Sure-Oz]

If he has a problem he needs to get help...incredible talent being wasted ...and future earnings

[Marcellus]

If he has a problem he needs to get help...incredible talent being wasted ...and future earnings

No doubt but seriously you have to know he has had the opportunity to get help.

10x the opportunity as the average person.

Its been offered.

[SAUTO]

No doubt but seriously you have to know he has had the opportunity to get help.

10x the opportunity as the average person.

Its been offered.

Pretty sure it's been ordered...

[Discuss Thrower]

Jerruh looks like a genious for putting the nanny detail on Dez.

[Dave Lane]

Josh Gordan should kill himself.

He's trying.

[Mr. Laz]

Not condoning his actions, but how fucking unlucky do you have to be to get caught with alcohol in your system?

It can't possibly stay in your system very long. Dude must have been tested the morning after or something.

DESCRIPTION:
The EtG Hair Alcohol Test can detect ingestion of Ethyl Alcohol within the past 7 to 90 days. EtG is a metabolite of Ethyl Alcohol, and can be detected for longer periods of time after ingestion than simply testing for Ethyl Alcohol. This test is not an under the influence test.


I don't know if the NFL is allowed to do hair testing or not

[TEX]

All that the dumbass had to do was sit on his hands for a few months and he would be rich.


How this brain-dead **** has survived this long is a mystery. He is almost too stupid to breathe.

:LOL: This

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Draft another fat ass, retard. You deserve to root for a loser.

ROFL

[kcfanXIII]

DESCRIPTION:
The EtG Hair Alcohol Test can detect ingestion of Ethyl Alcohol within the past 7 to 90 days. EtG is a metabolite of Ethyl Alcohol, and can be detected for longer periods of time after ingestion than simply testing for Ethyl Alcohol. This test is not an under the influence test.


I don't know if the NFL is allowed to do hair testing or not

I have a buddy that is on probation, and this is the test they use. Where they used to only have a 24 hour or so window to catch you in the act, now they can test for the way your body digests the booze and bust you for that.

[saphojunkie]

This will turn this into a DC libtard Conservative Fascist argument, I'm sure, but I just can't stand that an employer has the right to test its employees for any type of drug or alcohol abuse.

If it doesn't affect the play on the field and isn't tarnishing the company image, then why the fuck is it your concern or right to test me for my private life?

This isn't Gordon getting busted for a DUI or arrested for pot. Just pisses me off.

That said, dude just doesn't have it in him to make it in the NFL. Jared Allen was faced with losing his career to partying. Ten years and 100 million dollars later, I'm guessing he doesn't miss the beer.

[Pablo]

Well, I guess I should have taken that trade offer instead of trying to stash him as a late round keeper next year.

Thanks a lot Josh. You're letting FF players around the world down. Hope that means something to you.

[Jimmya]

As an employer, if you don't like drug testing then go work somewhere else.

[jonzie04]

I take back wanting the chiefs to ever trade for him. :( some of you guys were right, he's a lost cause.

[Marcellus]

I just read where he has now tested positive for codien, weed multiple times , got a DUI last Sept while suspended, and now this.

It's not just a little weed.

I'm still LMAO at those who defended him and basically claimed Chiefs fans didn't want him just because he wasn't a nice white guy.

[OnTheWarpath15]

DESCRIPTION:
The EtG Hair Alcohol Test can detect ingestion of Ethyl Alcohol within the past 7 to 90 days. EtG is a metabolite of Ethyl Alcohol, and can be detected for longer periods of time after ingestion than simply testing for Ethyl Alcohol. This test is not an under the influence test.


I don't know if the NFL is allowed to do hair testing or not

Interesting. Had no idea they had a hair test for booze.

Thanks for posting, Laz.

[RealSNR]

I just read where he has now tested positive for codien, weed multiple times , got a DUI last Sept while suspended, and now this.

It's not just a little weed.

I'm still LMAO at those who defended him and basically claimed Chiefs fans didn't want him just because he wasn't a nice white guy.

Gordon needs to see a specialist about that shit.

Like, three different shrinks and a year of rehab.

He's got a pretty serious problem.

[BossChief]

It's a shame he didn't go to a better team than the Browns.

But I guess that's why the good teams didn't draft him.

[Discuss Thrower]

So Gordon and Blackmon can't keep the their destructive habits in line, but Dez Bryant can.

Hmmm.

[saphojunkie]

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/an-open-letter-to-charles-barkley-co-cb5c4e64cf3

Pretty interesting. I don't know if he wrote every word himself, but I think he makes a hell of a case for the CHIEFS TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO GET HIM NOW...

sorry... got ahead of myself.


Dear Sir Charles, Stephen A., Cris and other interested parties,

Thank you for your recent outpouring of concern about my well being. In what has been a difficult time for my family, friends and fans, you — and those like you — have taken it upon yourselves to express just how much you care about me and my future. For that, I am truly appreciative.


The thing is, though, you don’t even know me.
Chuck, you have never so much as shook my hand, let alone exchanged a single word with me. Few of you have, to be honest. Respectfully, your worry over my “problems” with substance abuse and my twisting descent into darkness and, apparently, my impending death, is misplaced — mostly because you have very little idea what you are talking about. None of you do, even those of you who seem curiously obsessed with the goings-on in my life:


You’re done with me, Stephen A.? That presumes we ever actually got started. How, exactly, can you be “done” with someone you have never had a meaningful conversation with beyond a quick First Take spot? Regardless, I am relieved that you no longer need to harbor sympathy for me — mostly because I never asked for it, never wanted it, and certainly never needed it. I am not a victim here; I never claimed to be one, either.

And Cris, your level of interest in my life is even more puzzling, especially considering we have never met, either.


In addition to being concerned about me — like when you publicly called for the Browns cut me so I could learn the same lessons you learned — you also stated as fact that “we are dealing with addiction here.” Know this: We are not dealing with anything, Cris. We are not the same. Not at all.

So, in the interest of lifting the heavy burden of my welfare off your collective consciences, I’d like to set the record straight about a few things.

First, words cannot express the remorse and regret I feel over this latest incident. I acknowledge that the repeated transgressions that have led up to this point have damaged my credibility, and for that, the only person to blame is me.

I have let down many in Cleveland — my Browns teammates, our hard-working coaching staff, the team’s ownership, and the loyal fan base that wants nothing more than to win. Playing there is different than in many other cities. We feel the fans’ pain. We know how important this is to them.

Also, I have disappointed the family and close friends who have always stood by me — no matter how tough things have been at certain points in my life. Believe me, there have been more dark days than I care to remember.

Most importantly, I have failed myself. Again.

I failed myself when started using marijuana regularly as a young teenager. I failed myself when I ruined a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be Robert Griffin III’s running mate during his Heisman Trophy-winning season at Baylor. I failed myself when I didn’t check with the league office to ensure that my doctor-prescribed, codeine-based medicine was allowed under NFL guidelines. I failed myself when I was arrested for driving a motor vehicle with a blood-alcohol level over the legal limit. I failed myself when I missed a team walkthrough late in the season and was suspended for the final game of the year.

But you know what, Charles, Stephen A., Cris and everyone else? I also have succeeded.

I succeeded by escaping a youth riddled with poverty, gang violence and very little in the way of guidance or support. I succeeded by narrowly avoiding a life of crime that managed to sink its clutches into almost all of my childhood friends. I succeeded by working tremendously hard on my craft and my body to even have a chance to play professional football for a living. And, contrary to popular belief, I succeeded by overcoming my longstanding relationship with weed — because I knew I was risking my future over it.

Truth is, I have not smoked marijuana since before I was drafted by the Browns in 2012 — and there are years’ worth of drug tests to prove it.
So, then how did I get here, you ask? That’s easy. I messed up. But to even begin to understand why I messed up, you need to know the Josh Gordon that existed before the NFL.


(AP)
I don’t speak of it often, and even less so publicly, but I faced a fair amount of hardship growing up. My father was pretty much out of the picture, which left my mom to fend for herself with three sons at home. She did the best she could, but there were large stretches of time as an adolescent when I was completely alone — with no supervision, no one to guide me, and no one to keep me in line.

We lived in a poor section of Houston called Fondren, and to say it was a rough place would be putting it lightly. The other kids in the neighborhood weren’t well off, either, but it always felt like we had even less to our name. We moved at least seven times, and things were so bad sometimes, there were days I would come home from school and there would be no electricity, heat or hot water.

Over time, particularly after my older brothers moved out, I started hanging out with the wrong kind of people. The kind who would think nothing not only of carrying guns, but using them. Back then, smoking marijuana wasn’t an addiction for any of us — we were still boys, basically. It was just what everyone did. It was everywhere, just like alcohol was.

So Charles, Stephen A., Cris — you judge me now, but what if you came from where I come from? Heck, maybe you did experience similar upbringings, but I wouldn’t know, because I do not know you. Each of you have dealt with more than your fair shares of self-inflicted controversies, though, that I do know.

Again, I make no excuses for my past. That culture didn’t make me do anything I didn’t want to do, but when you judge me without actually knowing me, you deny the existence of the world I come from.
Later, when I went to college, it was like a dream come true, but in retrospect, I wasn’t ready for it. I had to have that opportunity taken away from me before I could really look within myself and decide what I wanted for my future. Was I going to continue to break rules to get high, or was I going to get straight and make the most of my God-given talents?

I made my choice when it came to the NFL, and I haven’t wavered.

Now, I messed up again. It happened about four weeks ago.

As most everyone knows, I missed a considerable portion of the 2014 season because I was suspended by the league. The details in relation to my reinstatement, however, are important to understand.

In connection with the DWI case, the league — in consideration of the fact that my blood-alcohol level was just .01 over the legal limit — agreed to shorten my punishment from four games lost to two. These games were tacked on to my eight-game suspension that had been levied on account of my inadvertently inhaling second-hand marijuana smoke last offseason.

That punishment — while harsh, given what my lab results clearly showed, including a backup sample that was under the league threshold — was just. I foolishly put myself in a precarious situation, one which I could have easily avoided if I had thought more clearly about the potential ramifications of my actions and who I chose to spend time around.

As a strict condition to my reinstatement in Week 12, I had to agree not only to abstain from drinking for the rest of the season, but also to submit to an alcohol screen as part of my in-season drug testing under the league’s substance-abuse protocol. Did I think that was excessive given I had never had any issue whatsoever with alcohol? Yes. Did I think it was hypocritical that a professional league making hundreds of millions of dollars off beer sponsorships was telling me not to drink? Yes. Did I so much as blink at the condition? No.

My primary concern was — and is — being the best football player I can be; I really didn’t even view it as much of a punishment or sacrifice.

On Jan. 2 of this year, just days after our season ended earlier than we all had hoped — and yes, my actions during the prior offseason definitely contributed to our failure to make the playoffs; it killed me seeing our guys fight so hard when I wasn’t out there with them — I boarded a private flight to Las Vegas with several teammates. During the flight, I had two beers and two drinks. It was the first time I had consumed so much as a drop of alcohol since July 4, 2014, the day of the DWI.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am not much of a drinker. Even calling me a social drinker would be an exaggeration, but at that moment, on that flight, I made a choice. The wrong choice, as it turned out.

Upon landing, I received the all-too-familiar notice by phone that I was to report to a testing location within four hours. I failed the test, obviously, and the rest is history … colored by media speculation and faux outrage.

In the end, of course, I failed myself.

It doesn’t matter if I thought that the league-imposed restriction on drinking had expired at the end of the regular season; what matters is that I didn’t confirm whether or not that was the case. Now, that oversight has further jeopardized my relationship with my team and our fans, my reputation, and maybe even my career.

So that’s it, Charles & Co.

These are the actual facts surrounding my situation, and these are my words. What comes next is uncertain. I haven’t decided whether to appeal the latest suspension. That’s a matter for my agent and me to discuss.

To those of you who traffic in lies and innuendo over fact, with seemingly no consequences for your actions …


I really don’t know how you get away with it.

What I do know is the following: I am not a drug addict; I am not an alcoholic; I am not someone who deserves to be dissected and analyzed like some tragic example of everything that can possibly go wrong for a professional athlete. And … I am not going to die on account of the troubled state you wrongly believe my life to be in. I am a human being, with feelings and emotions and scars and flaws, just like anyone else. I make mistakes — I have made a lot of mistakes — but I am a good person, and I will persevere.

If I have a “problem,” it is that I am only 23 years old — with a lot left to learn. I’ve come a long way from those mean Fondren streets, but it’s clear that I can be a better me — one who kids coming up to me for selfies and autographs can be proud of. I want that future for myself. And I truly believe that what I am going through right now will only make me stronger. I believe that my future is bright.

If you see me someday, Chuck, Stephen A., Cris, or any other well-intentioned person to whom this letter is directed, please come on over, shake my hand, and say hello. I won’t be holding a grudge, but I will expect you to admit you were wrong about me.

Sincerely,

Josh Gordon, No. 12

[OmahaChief]

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/an-open-letter-to-charles-barkley-co-cb5c4e64cf3

Pretty interesting. I don't know if he wrote every word himself, but I think he makes a hell of a case for the CHIEFS TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO GET HIM NOW...

sorry... got ahead of myself.




I rather enjoyed reading that. Thanks for posting.

[Chiefnj2]

His attorney and PR firm wrote a nice piece. Cleveland should have kept his handler with him at all times.

[saphojunkie]

I rather enjoyed reading that. Thanks for posting.

:thumb:

[Chiefnj2]

In his own words he's not a big drinker. But, the first opportunity that presents itself when he thinks he won't be tested he has 4 alcoholic beverages mid-air.

Josh, you can't control yourself. The NFL imposes drinking sanctions on players with drug issues because alcohol leads addicts into making more bad decisions.

[ModSocks]

In his own words he's not a big drinker. But, the first opportunity that presents itself when he thinks he won't be tested he has 4 alcoholic beverages mid-air.



Good point.

[saphojunkie]

Good point.

He was on a flight to Vegas. Only four drinks is pretty damn impressive.

[Marcellus]

He claims he doesn't have any addiction issues after all the drug and alcohol related issues.

So he defense is he is a complete idiot who constantly makes bad choices.

So much better.

[chiefzilla1501]

His attorney and PR firm wrote a nice piece. Cleveland should have kept his handler with him at all times.

It doesn't read that way to me. I doubt his PR firm would go on the attack the way he did early in the piece. I've never seen a statement like this as long as this was. And Gordon points to a lot of specifics that I don't think most attorneys/PR people would recommend.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but this seemed like a very sincere piece. And I might actually believe him. I agree with Gordon... testing for alcohol use seems really strange. He made a ton of facts (e.g. testing just above the BAC level when he got busted for DWI and that he isn't much of a drinker) that could easily be busted up by anyone who knows his behavior. Will be interesting to see if anyone calls BS.

[chiefzilla1501]

He claims he doesn't have any addiction issues after all the drug and alcohol related issues.

So he defense is he is a complete idiot who constantly makes bad choices.

So much better.

If what he is saying is true, then we're talking about a guy getting busted in a big way for really minor infractions. Don't get me wrong. He deserves to be busted. But it makes me think a lot less of him if he's truly getting busted for non-addictive behaviors. To some degree, it might just be really bad luck.

[philfree]

So the season was over and he thought he could have a drink? Did I read that right? But the league is going to test him as soon as he gets to Vegas. That's pretty messed up IMO. Makes me think that someone on the flight snitched him out.

[chiefzilla1501]

So the season was over and he thought he could have a drink? Did I read that right? But the league is going to test him as soon as he gets to Vegas. That's pretty messed up IMO. Makes me think that someone on the flight snitched him out.

I think that it's really unrealistic to expect any NFL player to give up drinking entirely. If that's really what Gordon got busted for, it seems like a really strange rule. So is he going to get suspended if he has a glass of champagne for NYE?

[Brock]

I think that it's really unrealistic to expect any NFL player to give up drinking entirely. If that's really what Gordon got busted for, it seems like a really strange rule. So is he going to get suspended if he has a glass of champagne for NYE?

He isn't allowed to drink. He knows this.

[chiefzilla1501]

He isn't allowed to drink. He knows this.
How many pro athletes have been busted for drinking alcohol in moderation?

I'd be curious to know if the no alcohol policy is a common punishment following a dwi or substance abuse penalty. If it isn't, it's strange that it was for Gordon. If it is, I have a really, really hard time believing every athlete busted for those things stayed completely sober during their entire probation. If he's telling the truth, it sounds like he got busted for the equivalent of jaywalking to me.

[Brock]

How many pro athletes have been busted for drinking alcohol in moderation?

I'd be curious to know if the no alcohol policy is a common punishment following a dwi or substance abuse penalty. If it isn't, it's strange that it was for Gordon. If it is, I have a really, really hard time believing every athlete busted for those things stayed completely sober during their entire probation. If he's telling the truth, it sounds like he got busted for the equivalent of jaywalking to me.

It's common for any company that has an eap program to randomly test employees. If the employee got in trouble for drugs and alcohol, they are tested for drugs and alcohol. I've seen lots of people who couldn't stay clean at the risk of their job, but it takes a special kind of dumbass to piss away a chance at 100 million dollars.

[chiefzilla1501]

It's common for any company that has an eap program to randomly test employees. If the employee got in trouble for drugs and alcohol, they are tested for drugs and alcohol. I've seen lots of people who couldn't stay clean at the risk of their job, but it takes a special kind of dumbass to piss away a chance at 100 million dollars.
He is the first person I can think of in any sport who tested positive for alcohol. I get that it's policy. But I highly, highly doubt this ever gets enforced or else every player on probation would get busted. If he's telling the truth I would hope the NFL would choose not to throw the book at him. If he truly has been on good behavior which I think can be easily verified, it seems against the purpose of the penalty to bust him over a few drinks. I just think the expectation that a 23 year old in the NFL give up alcohol cold turkey is really unrealistic.

[Marcellus]

If what he is saying is true, then we're talking about a guy getting busted in a big way for really minor infractions. Don't get me wrong. He deserves to be busted. But it makes me think a lot less of him if he's truly getting busted for non-addictive behaviors. To some degree, it might just be really bad luck.

His story is -

He used to smoke weed, grew up with it. Got busted in college 2x.

Because of that comes into the NFL on the drug program and tested positive for Codeine because he had no idea his Dr prescribed cough syrup could be an issue. LMAO

He gets a DUI

He test positive for weed due to second hand smoke. LMAO

He test positive for alcohol because he thought 1 day after the season he was fine to do what he wants.

He isn't unlucky, at best he is an idiot.

[chiefzilla1501]

His story is -

He used to smoke weed, grew up with it. Got busted in college 2x.

Because of that comes into the NFL on the drug program and tested positive for Codeine because he had no idea his Dr prescribed cough syrup could be an issue. LMAO

He gets a DUI

He test positive for weed due to second hand smoke. LMAO

He test positive for alcohol because he thought 1 day after the season he was fine to do what he wants.

He isn't unlucky, at best he is an idiot.
No doubt he's an idiot. I do think his last 3 violations have been borderline enough to say just maybe there's some truth to his so called excuses. Getting caught is getting caught. Dude doesn't seem to be complaining he was caught. He seems to try to change the media message that he's falling apart.

If he's lying about turning his life around, the NFL can probably confirm that pretty quickly. But if he is, and it seems pretty sincere, then yeah I'd feel bad if he gets busted over a positive alcohol test.

[Simply Red]

His story is -

He used to smoke weed, grew up with it. Got busted in college 2x.

Because of that comes into the NFL on the drug program and tested positive for Codeine because he had no idea his Dr prescribed cough syrup could be an issue. LMAO

He gets a DUI

He test positive for weed due to second hand smoke. LMAO

He test positive for alcohol because he thought 1 day after the season he was fine to do what he wants.

He isn't unlucky, at best he is an idiot.



he seems nice.

[Chiefnj2]

Why would anyone feel bad for him? He's continually messed up. He has God given talent that others can only dream of. If he could stay away from drugs and alcohol for 3 years he wouldn't have to work another day in his life. He pissed it away. He could call his agent or a member of the Browns staff 24/7 with any question he might have. Now that the season is over can I have a drink? Nope, the so called guy who isn't even a social drinker boozes it up the first chance he can get. The so called guy who doesn't drink - he's mixing beer and alcohol a mile high partying it up. I'm sure he was going to stop drinking when he landed and it's all a misunderstanding. He was going to be the designated driver in Vegas.

[chiefzilla1501]

Why would anyone feel bad for him? He's continually messed up. He has God given talent that others can only dream of. If he could stay away from drugs and alcohol for 3 years he wouldn't have to work another day in his life. He pissed it away. He could call his agent or a member of the Browns staff 24/7 with any question he might have. Now that the season is over can I have a drink? Nope, the so called guy who isn't even a social drinker boozes it up the first chance he can get. The so called guy who doesn't drink - he's mixing beer and alcohol a mile high partying it up. I'm sure he was going to stop drinking when he landed and it's all a misunderstanding. He was going to be the designated driver in Vegas.

Nobody said they feel bad for him. I actually think his letter seemed well thought out and very sincere. He's a 23 year old kid. He wasn't driving or doing illegal drugs. He wasn't getting into fights. He had a few drinks on a TEAM TRIP. His receivers coach was there and he of all people should have been the one who should have known better.

A lot of judgment over a guy having a few legal drinks with no evidence that he was on bad behavior. I get why he was punished. But testing positive for alcohol... I just haven't heard anybody get busted for that. It just seems weird to me.

[Brock]

Nobody said they feel bad for him. I actually think his letter seemed well thought out and very sincere. He's a 23 year old kid. He wasn't driving or doing illegal drugs. He wasn't getting into fights. He had a few drinks on a TEAM TRIP. His receivers coach was there and he of all people should have been the one who should have known better.

A lot of judgment over a guy having a few legal drinks with no evidence that he was on bad behavior. I get why he was punished. But testing positive for alcohol... I just haven't heard anybody get busted for that. It just seems weird to me.

Matt Prater was suspended for the same thing.

[Marcellus]

No doubt he's an idiot. I do think his last 3 violations have been borderline enough to say just maybe there's some truth to his so called excuses. Getting caught is getting caught. Dude doesn't seem to be complaining he was caught. He seems to try to change the media message that he's falling apart.

If he's lying about turning his life around, the NFL can probably confirm that pretty quickly. But if he is, and it seems pretty sincere, then yeah I'd feel bad if he gets busted over a positive alcohol test.

Fortunately he is young and at this point it really is 100% up to him what happens form here on out.

[Sure-Oz]

Someone needs to have a good will hunting moment with him

[ModSocks]

He was on a flight to Vegas. Only four drinks is pretty damn impressive.

He only put the tip in, but he did it the moment he thought he was free.

That's not exactly reassuring.

[ModSocks]

How many pro athletes have been busted for drinking alcohol in moderation?

I'd be curious to know if the no alcohol policy is a common punishment following a dwi or substance abuse penalty. If it isn't, it's strange that it was for Gordon. If it is, I have a really, really hard time believing every athlete busted for those things stayed completely sober during their entire probation. If he's telling the truth, it sounds like he got busted for the equivalent of jaywalking to me.

None of this matters. Nothing that any one else did matters


He had a very simple instruction.

"Hey Josh, there's a fat fucking contract worth 10's of millions of dollars coming up and all you have to do is not drink until "x" date."

And he STILL fucked that up.

[Marcellus]

None of this matters. Nothing that any one else did matters


He had a very simple instruction.

"Hey Josh, there's a fat ****ing contract worth 10's of millions of dollars coming up and all you have to do is not drink until "x" date."

And he STILL ****ed that up.

Not complicated. Like I said earlier he wants to party more than he wants to play.

[chiefzilla1501]

Matt Prater was suspended for the same thing.

And he was also suspended for having a couple of beers. At home. Those two should both know better. But having a zero tolerance alcohol policy after a DUI needs to be revisited by the NFL.

[chiefzilla1501]

Not complicated. Like I said earlier he wants to party more than he wants to play.

I think that's a really unfair statement to make given that it was a team trip and it was immediately after the season ended. A dumb decision on his part, but it's not like he was Johnny Manziel and drinking himself stupid the day before a game.

[Marcellus]

I think that's a really unfair statement to make given that it was a team trip and it was immediately after the season ended. A dumb decision on his part, but it's not like he was Johnny Manziel and drinking himself stupid the day before a game.

Actually he was suspended the last game of the season because he was late after partying with Manziel all night and missing meetings.

Now keep in mind he knew he was not supposed to be drinking then and I am sure that's what sparked the league test.

[Brock]

And he was also suspended for having a couple of beers. At home. Those two should both know better. But having a zero tolerance alcohol policy after a DUI needs to be revisited by the NFL.

They need to do away with testing for non peds altogether.

[chiefzilla1501]

Actually he was suspended the last game of the season because he was late after partying with Manziel all night and missing meetings.

Now keep in mind he knew he was not supposed to be drinking then and I am sure that's what sparked the league test.

Good point. I forgot about that.

[chiefzilla1501]

They need to do away with testing for non peds altogether.

I agree.

[Mr. Laz]

Difficult to format, you might want to just follow link:

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/an-open-letter-to-charles-barkley-co-cb5c4e64cf3

An Open Letter To Charles Barkley & Co.Yes, I have a “problem,” but it’s not the one all of you seem to think it is.By Josh Gordon
<section name="e1e6">Dear Sir Charles, Stephen A., Cris and other interested parties,

Thank you for your recent outpouring of concern about my well being. In what has been a difficult time for my family, friends and fans, you — and those like you — have taken it upon yourselves to express just how much you care about me and my future. For that, I am truly appreciative.

Sporting News ✔ @sportingnews (https://twitter.com/sportingnews) Follow (https://twitter.com/sportingnews) Charles Barkley fears Josh Gordon will die if he doesn’t change his ways. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-01-26/charles-barkley-josh-gordon-browns-drugs-alcohol-suspension-espn?eadid=SOC/Twi/SNMain … (http://t.co/Dh4alxaDql)
<time pubdate="" class="dt-updated" datetime="2015-01-26T19:27:14+0000" title="Time posted: 26 Jan 2015, 19:27:14 (UTC)">1:27 PM - 26 Jan 2015
</time> (https://twitter.com/sportingnews/status/559794713629573120)The thing is, though, you don’t even know me.Chuck, you have never so much as shook my hand, let alone exchanged a single word with me. Few of you have, to be honest. Respectfully, your worry over my “problems” with substance abuse and my twisting descent into darkness and, apparently, my impending death, is misplaced — mostly because you have very little idea what you are talking about. None of you do, even those of you who seem curiously obsessed with the goings-on in my life:

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You’re done with me, Stephen A.? That presumes we ever actually got started. How, exactly, can you be “done” with someone you have never had a meaningful conversation with beyond a quick First Take spot? Regardless, I am relieved that you no longer need to harbor sympathy for me — mostly because I never asked for it, never wanted it, and certainly never needed it. I am not a victim here; I never claimed to be one, either.
And Cris, your level of interest in my life is even more puzzling, especially considering we have never met, either.
Pro Football on ESPN ✔ @ESPNNFL (https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL) Follow (https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL) Cris Carter on Josh Gordon: "For me, my concern is his well being because today is a lonely day...there are no winners today."
<time pubdate="" class="dt-updated" datetime="2014-08-27T21:04:49+0000" title="Time posted: 27 Aug 2014, 21:04:49 (UTC)">4:04 PM - 27 Aug 2014 </time> (https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/504736316018688000)
<figure name="8601" id="8601" class="graf--figure graf--iframe"></figure>In addition to being concerned about me — like when you publicly called for the Browns cut me (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/07/cris-carter-thinks-the-browns-should-cut-josh-gordon/) so I could learn the same lessons you learned — you also stated as fact that “we are dealing with addiction here.” Know this: We are not dealing with anything, Cris. We are not the same. Not at all.
So, in the interest of lifting the heavy burden of my welfare off your collective consciences, I’d like to set the record straight about a few things.

First, words cannot express the remorse and regret I feel over this latest incident. I acknowledge that the repeated transgressions that have led up to this point have damaged my credibility, and for that, the only person to blame is me.

I have let down many in Cleveland — my Browns teammates, our hard-working coaching staff, the team’s ownership, and the loyal fan base that wants nothing more than to win. Playing there is different than in many other cities. We feel the fans’ pain. We know how important this is to them.
Also, I have disappointed the family and close friends who have always stood by me — no matter how tough things have been at certain points in my life. Believe me, there have been more dark days than I care to remember.

Most importantly, I have failed myself. Again.

I failed myself when started using marijuana regularly as a young teenager. I failed myself when I ruined a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be Robert Griffin III’s running mate during his Heisman Trophy-winning season at Baylor. I failed myself when I didn’t check with the league office to ensure that my doctor-prescribed, codeine-based medicine was allowed under NFL guidelines. I failed myself when I was arrested for driving a motor vehicle with a blood-alcohol level over the legal limit. I failed myself when I missed a team walkthrough late in the season and was suspended for the final game of the year.

But you know what, Charles, Stephen A., Cris and everyone else? I also have succeeded.

I succeeded by escaping a youth riddled with poverty, gang violence and very little in the way of guidance or support. I succeeded by narrowly avoiding a life of crime that managed to sink its clutches into almost all of my childhood friends. I succeeded by working tremendously hard on my craft and my body to even have a chance to play professional football for a living. And, contrary to popular belief, I succeeded by overcoming my longstanding relationship with weed — because I knew I was risking my future over it.So, then how did I get here, you ask? That’s easy. I messed up. But to even begin to understand why I messed up, you need to know the Josh Gordon that existed before the NFL.

I don’t speak of it often, and even less so publicly, but I faced a fair amount of hardship growing up. My father was pretty much out of the picture, which left my mom to fend for herself with three sons at home. She did the best she could, but there were large stretches of time as an adolescent when I was completely alone — with no supervision, no one to guide me, and no one to keep me in line.

We lived in a poor section of Houston called Fondren, and to say it was a rough place would be putting it lightly. The other kids in the neighborhood weren’t well off, either, but it always felt like we had even less to our name. We moved at least seven times, and things were so bad sometimes, there were days I would come home from school and there would be no electricity, heat or hot water.

Over time, particularly after my older brothers moved out, I started hanging out with the wrong kind of people. The kind who would think nothing not only of carrying guns, but using them. Back then, smoking marijuana wasn’t an addiction for any of us — we were still boys, basically. It was just what everyone did. It was everywhere, just like alcohol was.

So Charles, Stephen A., Cris — you judge me now, but what if you came from where I come from? Heck, maybe you did experience similar upbringings, but I wouldn’t know, because I do not know you. Each of you have dealt with more than your fair shares of self-inflicted controversies, though, that I do know.

Later, when I went to college, it was like a dream come true, but in retrospect, I wasn’t ready for it. I had to have that opportunity taken away from me before I could really look within myself and decide what I wanted for my future. Was I going to continue to break rules to get high, or was I going to get straight and make the most of my God-given talents?
I made my choice when it came to the NFL, and I haven’t wavered.


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Now, I messed up again. It happened about four weeks ago.
As most everyone knows, I missed a considerable portion of the 2014 season because I was suspended by the league. The details in relation to my reinstatement, however, are important to understand.
In connection with the DWI case, the league — in consideration of the fact that my blood-alcohol level was just .01 over the legal limit — agreed to shorten my punishment from four games lost to two. These games were tacked on to my eight-game suspension that had been levied on account of my inadvertently inhaling second-hand marijuana smoke last offseason.
That punishment — while harsh, given what my lab results clearly showed, including a backup sample that was under the league threshold — was just. I foolishly put myself in a precarious situation, one which I could have easily avoided if I had thought more clearly about the potential ramifications of my actions and who I chose to spend time around.

As a strict condition to my reinstatement in Week 12, I had to agree not only to abstain from drinking for the rest of the season, but also to submit to an alcohol screen as part of my in-season drug testing under the league’s substance-abuse protocol. Did I think that was excessive given I had never had any issue whatsoever with alcohol? Yes. Did I think it was hypocritical that a professional league making hundreds of millions of dollars off beer sponsorships was telling me not to drink? Yes. Did I so much as blink at the condition? No.

On Jan. 2 of this year, just days after our season ended earlier than we all had hoped — and yes, my actions during the prior offseason definitely contributed to our failure to make the playoffs; it killed me seeing our guys fight so hard when I wasn’t out there with them — I boarded a private flight to Las Vegas with several teammates. During the flight, I had two beers and two drinks. It was the first time I had consumed so much as a drop of alcohol since July 4, 2014, the day of the DWI.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am not much of a drinker. Even calling me a social drinker would be an exaggeration, but at that moment, on that flight, I made a choice. The wrong choice, as it turned out.

Upon landing, I received the all-too-familiar notice by phone that I was to report to a testing location within four hours. I failed the test, obviously, and the rest is history … colored by media speculation and faux outrage.
In the end, of course, I failed myself.

It doesn’t matter if I thought that the league-imposed restriction on drinking had expired at the end of the regular season; what matters is that I didn’t confirm whether or not that was the case. Now, that oversight has further jeopardized my relationship with my team and our fans, my reputation, and maybe even my career.


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So that’s it, Charles & Co.

These are the actual facts surrounding my situation, and these are my words. What comes next is uncertain. I haven’t decided whether to appeal the latest suspension. That’s a matter for my agent and me to discuss.
To those of you who traffic in lies and innuendo over fact, with seemingly no consequences for your actions …
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL (https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL) Follow (https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL) Josh Gordon has now not gone any calendar year since the seventh grade without failing a drug test...
<time pubdate="" class="dt-updated" datetime="2015-01-25T21:04:56+0000" title="Time posted: 25 Jan 2015, 21:04:56 (UTC)">3:04 PM - 25 Jan 2015</time> (https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/559456909170724864)

I really don’t know how you get away with it.
What I do know is the following: I am not a drug addict; I am not an alcoholic; I am not someone who deserves to be dissected and analyzed like some tragic example of everything that can possibly go wrong for a professional athlete. And … I am not going to die on account of the troubled state you wrongly believe my life to be in. I am a human being, with feelings and emotions and scars and flaws, just like anyone else. I make mistakes — I have made a lot of mistakes — but I am a good person, and I will persevere.
If I have a “problem,” it is that I am only 23 years old — with a lot left to learn. I’ve come a long way from those mean Fondren streets, but it’s clear that I can be a better me — one who kids coming up to me for selfies and autographs can be proud of. I want that future for myself. And I truly believe that what I am going through right now will only make me stronger. I believe that my future is bright.

If you see me someday, Chuck, Stephen A., Cris, or any other well-intentioned person to whom this letter is directed, please come on over, shake my hand, and say hello. I won’t be holding a grudge, but I will expect you to admit you were wrong about me.

Sincerely,
Josh Gordon, No. 12


</section>

[saphojunkie]

Quite interesting, Laz...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dude is a dumbass plain and simple. It is quite dumb to be suspended for the year for having a couple of drinks though. On the flip side he knew the rules and rolled the dice.

[chiefzilla1501]

What's interesting about Gordon's violations is, all of the most recent ones were for violations that were against the rules but may not have been a big deal.

He claimed the codeine violation was due to a doctor's prescription. Keep in mind that the league chose to cut down Gordon's suspension even though he has a history of drug issues, which indicates that Gordon's story may have been true. His positive marijuana test was apparently barely tested in the primary sample and not even positive in the secondary sample, so it was either a very small amount or his story of secondary smoking might actually have truth to it. It was a very trace amount tested. The third violation was for alcohol consumption after the season with the receiver's coach on hand.

The issue that bothers me is him missing a walkthrough. The other 3 violations... I actually do buy his explanation that he is an idiot and should have known better, but it doesn't mean he has some big drug and alcohol problem. I think when he explains he's 23, that reminded me how much I forget how young the kid really is.

[Chiefshrink]

I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, but Gordon is a ****ing idiot.
Stay away from the smokers dumbass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or the NFL just needs to look away like the NBA does. You know pull a Sargent Schultz(Hogan's Heroes) "I seeeeeeee nothing":D

[Chiefshrink]

What's interesting about Gordon's violations is, all of the most recent ones were for violations that were against the rules but may not have been a big deal.

He claimed the codeine violation was due to a doctor's prescription. Keep in mind that the league chose to cut down Gordon's suspension even though he has a history of drug issues, which indicates that Gordon's story may have been true. His positive marijuana test was apparently barely tested in the primary sample and not even positive in the secondary sample, so it was either a very small amount or his story of secondary smoking might actually have truth to it. It was a very trace amount tested. The third violation was for alcohol consumption after the season with the receiver's coach on hand.

The issue that bothers me is him missing a walkthrough. The other 3 violations... I actually do buy his explanation that he is an idiot and should have known better, but it doesn't mean he has some big drug and alcohol problem. I think when he explains he's 23, that reminded me how much I forget how young the kid really is.

Gordon's lawyer wants you working for the NFL and in Goodell's ear for sure;)

Bottom line: It's all just a matter of context right ?:rolleyes:

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Pats can cheat for a decade leading to ridiculous fumble rates but god forbid some one drink a beer or light a joint. INTEGRITY!!!!

[Marcellus]

Pats can cheat for a decade leading to ridiculous fumble rates but god forbid some one drink a beer or light a joint. INTEGRITY!!!!


To believe the context of that post is actually accurate to the Josh Gordon situation you would have to be as big an idiot as he is.

[chiefzilla1501]

To believe the context of that post is actually accurate to the Josh Gordon situation you would have to be as big an idiot as he is.

I think the point, and it's a good one, is what is worse? Cheating for competitive advantage (e.g. PEDs) or substance abuse? The league has been consistent and harsh when it comes to punishing weed/alcohol use. It's just a shame this consistency in punishment isn't seen anywhere else.

I think minor non-PED substance abuse is punished way too harshly in the NFL.

[chiefzilla1501]

Gordon's lawyer wants you working for the NFL and in Goodell's ear for sure;)

Bottom line: It's all just a matter of context right ?:rolleyes:

He knew the rules and he broke them. I get you have to enforce the rules in place.

But I don't think the rules are good ones. And I don't think his three most recent league violations point to a substance abuse problem which I think defeats the purpose of having those rules in the first place.

[Mr. Laz]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
NFL announces Josh Gordon suspended at least 1 year for violating Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse. Suspension begins immediately.
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[Eleazar]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
NFL announces Josh Gordon suspended at least 1 year for violating Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse. Suspension begins immediately.
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Pootie doesn't think this affects his value and would give a first round pick for him

[DaneMcCloud]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> WR Josh Gordon did fail another drug test a month ago, as <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo">@MikeGarafolo</a> said. Explains why he hasn&#39;t been reinstated yet.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/719648396039032832">April 11, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DaneMcCloud]

Gordon is a fucking bozo.

I still can't believe the number of dumbasses that wanted the Chiefs to trade for this loser.

[Bowser]

Gordon is a fucking bozo.

I still can't believe the number of dumbasses that wanted the Chiefs to trade for this loser.

Jesus, what a waste. What do you think will end up being the gross total of money he's going to leave on the table because he can't put down the fucking hippie lettuce?

And I'll admit to wanting to trade for him. His talent is undeniable, but he just can't get his head out of his ass. Too bad for him, and us as football fans.

[DaneMcCloud]

Jesus, what a waste. What do you think will end up being the gross total of money he's going to leave on the table because he can't put down the fucking hippie lettuce?

And I'll admit to wanting to trade for him. His talent is undeniable, but he just can't get his head out of his ass. Too bad for him, and us as football fans.

The dude obviously has an issue with weed but in all honesty, I couldn't care less. He's not endangering anyone and if he's living in SoCal (as reported), it's legal with a medical card, which anyone can get in 30 minutes or less.

That said, it's a league rule. It's stupid and outdated but come on, where else is this guy going to earn $100k per year, let alone, millions?

[Easy 6]

I guess the bottom line is that he simply doesnt have a real passion for football, if he did... no way he would've made a second mistake like this

[Sully]

The guy is smoking the most expensive weed in the history of the earth. I hope it's amazing.

[MMXcalibur]

What a goddamn moron.

He just. Doesn't. Get. It.

[SAUTO]

Jesus, what a waste. What do you think will end up being the gross total of money he's going to leave on the table because he can't put down the fucking hippie lettuce?

And I'll admit to wanting to trade for him. His talent is undeniable, but he just can't get his head out of his ass. Too bad for him, and us as football fans.
Probably cost him self 150 million.

[chiefs1111]

What a goddamn moron.

He just. Doesn't. Get. It.

Gordon and Justin Blackmon are a special kind of idiot.

[DaneMcCloud]

I guess the bottom line is that he simply doesnt have a real passion for football, if he did... no way he would've made a second mistake like this

Second?

Dude, it's his FOURTH violation of the the league's substance abuse policy.

[Toby Waller]

Second?

Dude, it's his FOURTH violation of the the league's substance abuse policy.

which makes it a fake policy to begin with.

lol at you buying this crap. Plenty of players do weed,

in every sport.

you go to a hotel,they rent out an entire floor and guys are doing it.
its been going on for 40-50 years.

the league doesnt give a damn if they smoke. Its all made up.

[DaneMcCloud]

which makes it a fake policy to begin with.

lol at you buying this crap. Plenty of players do weed,

in every sport.

you go to a hotel,they rent out an entire floor and guys are doing it.
its been going on for 40-50 years.

the league doesnt give a damn if they smoke. Its all made up.

You're a moronic troll that can rarely put together two coherent sentences and in this case, none.

Just fucking crawl back under the rock in which you came, troll.

[the Talking Can]

The guy is smoking the most expensive weed in the history of the earth. I hope it's amazing.

that weed better swallow

[Coochie liquor]

which makes it a fake policy to begin with.

lol at you buying this crap. Plenty of players do weed,

in every sport.

you go to a hotel,they rent out an entire floor and guys are doing it.
its been going on for 40-50 years.

the league doesnt give a damn if they smoke. Its all made up.

:facepalm:

[Toby Waller]

:facepalm:

really? you know nothing other than the articles you believe with no actual first hand knowledge of anything.

you are the face-palm worthy one now,not I.

[jonzie04]

Guy has probably only made a few million in his career. If he just could have stayed out of trouble he could have easily become one of the highest paid WRs in the league. I can't imagine how he's going to feel 10 years from now when he's broke, and he finally realizes how bad he ****ed up.

[Mr. Laz]

wow

[Predarat]

Josh Gordon is to Drug Tests what Vince Young is to Wonderlic Tests.

[SAUTO]

really? you know nothing other than the articles you believe with no actual first hand knowledge of anything.

you are the face-palm worthy one now,not I.

I have almost first hand knowledge.


They don't really care, read about the testing procedure.

But if you're really just a fucking idiot there is no helping you.

[SAUTO]

No nfl player should EVER flunk a drug test

[Mr. Laz]

NFL drug test should really be called the Stupidity Test.


Unless you are stupid, you shouldn't fail it.

[BossChief]

Second?

Dude, it's his FOURTH violation of the the league's substance abuse policy.

And I think you need to fail 2 tests for recreational drugs before you are officially in the drug program.

And unless you're in the drug program, they don't test you for recreational drugs during the offseason, only during the season.

You almost have to purposefully get caught.

[TribalElder]

VonMiller got caught rigging the tests

Luckily he bounced back this season and was able to win Super Bowl mvp after finding another way to defeat the testing

[MIAdragon]

Guy has probably only made a few million in his career. If he just could have stayed out of trouble he could have easily become one of the highest paid WRs in the league. I can't imagine how he's going to feel 10 years from now when he's broke, and he finally realizes how bad he ****ed up.

He won't make it 10 years.

[SAUTO]

And I think you need to fail 2 tests for recreational drugs before you are officially in the drug program.

And unless you're in the drug program, they don't test you for recreational drugs during the offseason, only during the season.

You almost have to purposefully get caught.
Only once a year if not in the program, with a 30 day notice iirc.

[Bowser]

Only once a year if not in the program, with a 30 day notice iirc.

Wait, these idiots get a 30 day notice and they STILL fuck it up?

:facepalm: x infinity

[Toby Waller]

I have almost first hand knowledge.


They don't really care, read about the testing procedure.

But if you're really just a ****ing idiot there is no helping you.

how does reading a testing procedure prove anything other than you read a testing procedure?

you have absolutely no clue whats going on behind the curtain. Absolutely none.

[Kman34]

which makes it a fake policy to begin with.

lol at you buying this crap. Plenty of players do weed,

in every sport.

you go to a hotel,they rent out an entire floor and guys are doing it.
its been going on for 40-50 years.

the league doesnt give a damn if they smoke. Its all made up.

I think there is some truth to this statement.... This has been going on for years but its on the banned list so they come down hard on repeat offenders... It's going to be a few more years till its accepted as alcohol is now...

[SAUTO]

Wait, these idiots get a 30 day notice and they STILL fuck it up?

:facepalm: x infinity

I can't remember totally, it may be that it's only once a year within the same 30 day window every year.


Either way it's idiotic to ever get caught

[SAUTO]

how does reading a testing procedure prove anything other than you read a testing procedure?

you have absolutely no clue whats going on behind the curtain. Absolutely none.

You are right.

[BigMeatballDave]

Yeah, can't fix stupid.

[ClevelandBronco]

The widely embraced misconception that there's no such thing as marijuana addiction can be a major hurdle for marijuana addicts.

[jspchief]

really? you know nothing other than the articles you believe with no actual first hand knowledge of anything.

you are the face-palm worthy one now,not I.
You have first hand knowledge?

[jspchief]

Wait, these idiots get a 30 day notice and they STILL fuck it up?

:facepalm: x infinity
Every year someone fails a test at the combine. Some of these guys take stupidity to a whole new level.

[tecumseh]

Maybe he should move in with Von Miller. Sorrz if Q.

[Toby Waller]

You have first hand knowledge?

Why does anyone need to know?
A multi-billion company can easily cover this up and not need to tell anyone why any player doesn't play anymore.
Plenty come and go for no rhyme or reason.
You aren't obligated to know why. They gave no obligation or reason to tell you other than hype.
How do you know the guy just didn't want to play anymore...sso they say, ok, that means we can make up a reason why. And you just repeatable say a player is stupid every time you hear a story.

Johnny football supposedly boozes and what ever else but he is still a viable nfl option for teams. ....?
It's All Just TMZ bullcrap stories.

Which stories are real or fake don't matter as long as it keeps you talking nfl on and off the field.
What happened to all the Manning Drugs Talk? White bias?

[DaneMcCloud]

The widely embraced misconception that there's no such thing as marijuana addiction can be a major hurdle for marijuana addicts.

Most likely, he has an undiagnosed issue that's being masked by his need for constant marijuana use, like bi-polar disease.

[Rain Man]

The widely embraced misconception that there's no such thing as marijuana addiction can be a major hurdle for marijuana addicts.

I'll finish opening this can of worms by asking about marijuana addiction. Every marijuana user I've ever heard will swear that it's not addictive, but I think pretty much every drug is addictive, isn't it? Is it proven that marijuana is addictive? I really don't know.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'll finish opening this can of worms by asking about marijuana addiction. Every marijuana user I've ever heard will swear that it's not addictive, but I think pretty much every drug is addictive, isn't it? Is it proven that marijuana is addictive? I really don't know.

Marijuana has not been proven to be addictive. If it were, cancer patients would be jonesing for months after treatment and people would turn into zombies without it.

That said, as I mentioned earlier, constant marijuana usage usually indicates a deeper issue, whether it's bi-polar or some other bodily issue. NBA players use it as a pain killer, as do NFL players (at least the guys that don't get caught).

The bottom line is that once again, the NFLPA got worked in their latest CBA because marijuana testing should in no way, shape or form, have been a part of their deal.

[ClevelandBronco]

I'll finish opening this can of worms by asking about marijuana addiction. Every marijuana user I've ever heard will swear that it's not addictive, but I think pretty much every drug is addictive, isn't it? Is it proven that marijuana is addictive? I really don't know.

A lot of the problem seems to stem from people meaning different things when they talk about addiction.

Merriam-Webster offers a non-clinical definition:

1: the quality or state of being addicted <addiction to reading>
2: compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful

The National Institutes of Health says this:

Substance use disorder occurs when a person needs alcohol or another substance (drug) to function normally. Abruptly stopping the substance leads to withdrawal symptoms.

Addiction means that a person has a strong urge to use the substance and cannot stop, even if they want to. Tolerance to a substance (needing a higher dose to get the same effect) is usually part of addiction.

This disorder is also called substance abuse.

Causes
The exact cause of substance use disorder is not known. A person's genes, the action of the drug, peer pressure, emotional distress, anxiety, depression, and environmental stress can all be factors.

At least half of those who become addicted have depression, attention deficit disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, or another mental problem. A stressful or chaotic lifestyle and low self-esteem are also common.

Children who grow up seeing their parents using drugs may have a high risk of developing an addiction later in life for both environmental and genetic reasons.

Commonly abused substances include:

Opiates and narcotics are powerful painkillers that cause drowsiness and sometimes intense feelings of well-being, elation, happiness, excitement, and joy. These include heroin, opium, codeine, and narcotic pain medicines that may be prescribed by a doctor or bought illegally.

Stimulants are drugs that stimulate the brain and nervous system. They include amphetamines, cocaine, and drugs used to treat ADHD, such as methylphenidate (Ritalin). A person can start needing higher amounts of these drugs to feel the same effect.

Depressants cause drowsiness and reduce anxiety. They include alcohol, barbiturates, benzodiazepines (Valium, Ativan, Xanax), chloral hydrate, and paraldehyde. Using these substances can lead to addiction.

LSD, mescaline, psilocybin ("mushrooms"), and phencyclidine (PCP or "angel dust") can cause a person to see things that are not there (hallucinations) and can lead to psychological addiction.

Marijuana (cannabis) and hashish

There are several stages of drug use that may lead to addiction. Young people seem to move more quickly through the stages than do adults. Stages are:

Experimental use, typically involves peers, done for recreational use; the user may enjoy defying parents or other authority figures.

Regular use, the user misses more and more school or work; worries about losing drug source; uses drugs to "fix" negative feelings; begins to stay away from friends and family; may change friends to those who are regular users; shows increased tolerance and ability to "handle" the drug.

Problem or risky use, the user loses any motivation; does not care about school and work; has obvious behavior changes; thinking about drug use is more important than all other interests, including relationships; the user becomes secretive; may begin dealing drugs to help support habit; use of other, harder drugs may increase; legal problems may increase.

Addiction (dependence), cannot face daily life without drugs; denies problem; physical condition gets worse; loss of "control" over use; may become suicidal; financial and legal problems get worse; may have broken ties with family members or friends.

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More to come, but let's do this in bite sized chunks.

[ClevelandBronco]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16612207

The cannabis withdrawal syndrome.

PURPOSE OF REVIEW:
The demand for treatment for cannabis dependence has grown dramatically. The majority of the people who enter the treatment have difficulty in achieving and maintaining abstinence from cannabis. Understanding the impact of cannabis withdrawal syndrome on quit attempts is of obvious importance. Cannabis, however, has long been considered a 'soft' drug, and many continue to question whether one can truly become dependent on cannabis. Skepticism is typically focused on whether cannabis use can result in 'physiological' dependence or withdrawal, and whether withdrawal is of clinical importance.

RECENT FINDINGS:
The neurobiological basis for cannabis withdrawal has been established via discovery of an endogenous cannabinoid system, identification of cannabinoid receptors, and demonstrations of precipitated withdrawal with cannabinoid receptor antagonists. Laboratory studies have established the reliability, validity, and time course of a cannabis withdrawal syndrome and have begun to explore the effect of various medications on such withdrawal. Reports from clinical samples indicate that the syndrome is common among treatment seekers.

SUMMARY:
A clinically important withdrawal syndrome associated with cannabis dependence has been established. Additional research must determine how cannabis withdrawal affects cessation attempts and the best way to treat its symptoms.

[ClevelandBronco]

(Let's be fair here: Pay particular attention to the statement in the "Background" section)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20510550

Cannabis withdrawal symptoms in non-treatment-seeking adult cannabis smokers.


BACKGROUND:
Cannabis withdrawal is not recognized in DSM-IV because of doubts about its clinical significance.

OBJECTIVES:
Assess the phenomenon of cannabis withdrawal and its relationship to relapse in non-treatment-seeking adults.

SUBJECTS:
Convenience sample of 469 adult cannabis smokers who had made a quit attempt while not in a controlled environment.

METHODS:
Subjects completed a 176-item Marijuana Quit Questionnaire collecting information on sociodemographic characteristics, cannabis use history, and their "most difficult" cannabis quit attempt.

RESULTS:
42.4% of subjects had experienced a lifetime withdrawal syndrome, of whom 70.4% reported using cannabis in response to withdrawal. During the index quit attempt, 95.5% of subjects reported > or =1 individual withdrawal symptom (mean [SD] 9.5 [6.1], median 9.0); 43.1% reported > or =10. Number of withdrawal symptoms was significantly associated with greater frequency and amount of cannabis use, but symptoms occurred even in those using less than weekly. Symptoms were usually of > or = moderate intensity and often prompted actions to relieve them. Alcohol (41.5%) and tobacco (48.2%) were used more often than cannabis (33.3%) for this purpose. There was little change during withdrawal in use of other legal or illegal substances.

CONCLUSIONS:
Cannabis withdrawal is a common syndrome among adults not seeking treatment. The intention to relieve withdrawal symptoms can drive relapse during quit attempts, giving cannabis withdrawal clinical significance as a target of treatment.

[Buehler445]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> WR Josh Gordon did fail another drug test a month ago, as <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo">@MikeGarafolo</a> said. Explains why he hasn&#39;t been reinstated yet.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/719648396039032832">April 11, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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That fucking guy.

Why do people respond to pitts.

[Squalor2]

The widely embraced misconception that there's no such thing as marijuana addiction can be a major hurdle for marijuana addicts.


this is a Chiefs board.

[ClevelandBronco]

I'll finish opening this can of worms by asking about marijuana addiction. Every marijuana user I've ever heard will swear that it's not addictive, but I think pretty much every drug is addictive, isn't it? Is it proven that marijuana is addictive? I really don't know.

For me, every drug I've tried seems to be addictive. It's important to note that not everyone is like me, though. The majority of people (and in the case of marijuana, the vast majority of people) will not become addicted. Even when we're talking about very potent drugs, most people can use them and walk away when it's time.

I can't say with any certainty why I'm the way I am. Research is really still in its infancy, though we're definitely making important progress with regard to what is happening in the brain of an addict.

We know that once addiction takes over, very primitive systems in the brain send false survival signals to the rational parts. Because of the false signals (which are being sent largely because of a hijacked dopamine delivery system), the rational parts of the brain cause the addict to do what appears to him to be rational, even though any outside observer can see that he's acting manifestly irrationally.

Marijuana has not been proven to be addictive. If it were, cancer patients would be jonesing for months after treatment and people would turn into zombies without it.

That said, as I mentioned earlier, constant marijuana usage usually indicates a deeper issue, whether it's bi-polar or some other bodily issue. NBA players use it as a pain killer, as do NFL players (at least the guys that don't get caught)...

And I think Dane is hitting on something important here as well. The brain is just one aspect of figuring out addiction. The mind, however, must be considered, and that's just a trickier thing.

I suspect in my case, I used mainly to mask unresolved grief. Others would have their own reasons. Did I use so much that I turned myself into an addict? Was I born more susceptible to addiction? Both? Neither? Something else? Damned if I know. Damned if it can be proven yet.

[ClevelandBronco]

Josh Gordon is busily going about destroying his life. The drug just seems more important to him. Johnny Manziel is giving interviews that show he's clearly not lucid. He's making choices that make no rational sense and he's doing it as a way of life. These guys aren't experiencing unfortunately timed events. There's something abnormal about the effect that drugs have on those specific guys. They just don't use them like normal people.

I have no idea what's causing their addictions, but I can't explain their choices without calling them addicts. Once I do that, their choices make perfect sense to me. But that's probably because I'm one of those guys.

[ClevelandBronco]

Leaving aside the researchers on both sides of the question, there are generally two kinds of people who tell me that marijuana isn't addictive:

1. People for whom marijuana isn't addictive--in other words, normal people. And they're right, in a sense. Normally, people don't become addicts.

2. People for whom marijuana is addictive or for whom it is becoming addictive--in other words, people who desperately need to believe that they're not among the chosen few.

[Gonzo]

which makes it a fake policy to begin with.

lol at you buying this crap. Plenty of players do weed,

in every sport.

you go to a hotel,they rent out an entire floor and guys are doing it.
its been going on for 40-50 years.

the league doesnt give a damn if they smoke. Its all made up.

I utilize my iPhone a lot to read CP and I'm starting to get a little up there in age so I have to magnify the screen a bit.
When I do this, I just read posts most of the time and I don't see who posted what.

That being said...
I knew the second I read this that it was a smellypitts post. Sure enough, I scroll over and was not surprised a bit.

[Toby Waller]

I utilize my iPhone a lot to read CP and I'm starting to get a little up there in age so I have to magnify the screen a bit.
When I do this, I just read posts most of the time and I don't see who posted what.

That being said...
I knew the second I read this that it was a smellypitts post. Sure enough, I scroll over and was not surprised a bit.

Yes, that's right, I'm the only one who sounds like an individual with unpopular viewpoints.
That's why everyone else sounds the same.

[BossChief]

Even with all the trouble the kid has ...Id still trade a 6th that can go up to a 5th with playing time benchmarks.

We have a great locker room...not just a good one, a great one.

We have guys (like Justin Houston, for example) that overcame problems with weed that hurt their career ...and have turned things around.

For a pick that low, it would be well worth the risk.

Give the guy a 2-3 year deal very similar to Rod Streaters (purely incentive based) and see what happens.

Structure it to where a failed test voids all remaining guaranteed money and don't give him any signing bonus.

That way, if he turns things around we get him for an incentive based deal for a little while and if he fucks up the opportunity, he gets cut and the team moves on.

No real reason not to make a move like that if Cleveland is interested in moving him.

[DaneMcCloud]

Even with all the trouble the kid has ...Id still trade a 6th that can go up to a 5th with playing time benchmarks.

We have a great locker room...not just a good one, a great one.

A "great locker room" won't make a person who smokes weed every single day, multiple times a day, stop.

If he truly wanted to stop, he'd be in rehab and therapy because it's more than likely that there's an undiagnosed issue which leads him to constantly smoke.

[ClevelandBronco]

A "great locker room" won't make a person who smokes weed every single day, multiple times a day, stop.

If he truly wanted to stop, he'd be in rehab and therapy because it's more than likely that there's an undiagnosed issue which leads him to constantly smoke.

Truth. And for any underlying problem to be diagnosed accurately for treatment purposes, he would have to be clean first. Otherwise, the diagnosis would only apply to Josh Gordon on drugs.

[mcaj22]

Even with all the trouble the kid has ...Id still trade a 6th that can go up to a 5th with playing time benchmarks.

We have a great locker room...not just a good one, a great one.

We have guys (like Justin Houston, for example) that overcame problems with weed that hurt their career ...and have turned things around.

For a pick that low, it would be well worth the risk.

Give the guy a 2-3 year deal very similar to Rod Streaters (purely incentive based) and see what happens.

Structure it to where a failed test voids all remaining guaranteed money and don't give him any signing bonus.

That way, if he turns things around we get him for an incentive based deal for a little while and if he ****s up the opportunity, he gets cut and the team moves on.

No real reason not to make a move like that if Cleveland is interested in moving him.

How do you know a guy like Houston still doesn't smoke.

The problem isn't Gordon doing whatever he's doing, it's he can't stop when he's about to be drug tested. If he knows a test is coming and he can't quit for that small amount of time then that's a mental problem more than it is anything else.

The NFL literally gives these guys x amount of time to do their recreational drugs and then tells them when they are going to test.

[Abba-Dabba]

A "great locker room" won't make a person who smokes weed every single day, multiple times a day, stop.

If he truly wanted to stop, he'd be in rehab and therapy because it's more than likely that there's an undiagnosed issue which leads him to constantly smoke.

Undiagnosed issue that will be addressed with pharmaceuticals that have side effects that will include suicidal thoughts and possible death.

High class livin' then boys. He would be only one step away from a narcotic pain killer addiction.

I don't know or care to know what is going on in his life. Maybe Josh Gordon don't care about the potential money he lost. I know it may be hard for some to understand, but fame and fortune doesn't drive all of us. Maybe he has tried pharmaceuticals for underlying issues and they simply did not work for him. That is neither any of our business to know.

What I do know is there is a gifted player named Josh Gordon that has never been in any legal trouble that I am aware of. Being punished over policy that should have been forgotten a long time ago.

[DaneMcCloud]

Undiagnosed issue that will be addressed with pharmaceuticals that have side effects that will include suicidal thoughts and possible death.

High class livin' then boys. He would be only one step away from a narcotic pain killer addiction.

That's certainly a possibility.

I don't know or care to know what is going on in his life. Maybe Josh Gordon don't care about the potential money he lost. I know it may be hard for some to understand, but fame and fortune doesn't drive all of us. Maybe he has tried pharmaceuticals for underlying issues and they simply did not work for him. That is neither any of our business to know.

What I do know is there is a gifted player named Josh Gordon that has never been in any legal trouble that I am aware of. Being punished over policy that should have been forgotten a long time ago.

Agreed.

The issue is at hand is league policy and as long as the league is going to suspend players for marijuana use, Gordon won't be able to play in the NFL.

[jallmon]

I just read where he has now tested positive for codien, weed multiple times , got a DUI last Sept while suspended, and now this.

It's not just a little weed.

I'm still LMAO at those who defended him and basically claimed Chiefs fans didn't want him just because he wasn't a nice white guy.

It's ok now. According to NFL radio, Josh is roomies with Johnny out in L.A. What could go wrong with that? Lord have mercy.

There are ways to help people in this condition, but having the two of them living together, feeding off of each other -- especially when one of them (at a minimum) has substantial money available -- is not one of the ways.

[BleedingRed]

Just legalize it.... Why the fuck is it banned in the NFL... Are we to assume the Owners/Refs/Coaches ect are drug tested.....

[Coochie liquor]

Yes, that's right, I'm the only one who sounds like an individual with unpopular viewpoints.
That's why everyone else sounds the same.

Yes the all knowing smelly shits is so smart. He knows everything and everyone else is a dumb sheep. Too bad he's wasting his talent on an Internet message board and not actually finding a job, girl, and moving out of the parents house. ROFL

[Hydrae]

I certainly may be wrong but I think this may be the first time that Gordon has been (possibly) suspended for pot. First it was a DWI then it was alcohol. :shrug:

[Dartgod]

I utilize my iPhone a lot to read CP and I'm starting to get a little up there in age so I have to magnify the screen a bit.
When I do this, I just read posts most of the time and I don't see who posted what.

That being said...
I knew the second I read this that it was a smellypitts post. Sure enough, I scroll over and was not surprised a bit.

Please, please, please MU that dumb fucker.

Pretty please?


With sugar on top?

[Coochie liquor]

Please, please, please MU that dumb fucker.

Pretty please?


With sugar on top?

But then who's gonna be the only free thinker on CP? Obviously this site can't survive without his all knowing wisdom. Who else can say they know everything about nothing?

[Toby Waller]

Yes the all knowing smelly shits is so smart. He knows everything and everyone else is a dumb sheep. Too bad he's wasting his talent on an Internet message board and not actually finding a job, girl, and moving out of the parents house. ROFL

I never called anyone a dumb sheep. Thats B-ops.
I dont believe i've insulted anyone over this topic or at least never made it very personal.



Too bad he's wasting his talent on an Internet message board and not actually finding a job, girl, and moving out of the parents house. ROFL

your best years were obviously when you were 13 on the playground
with this cliche of a joke insult.

[Marcellus]

I certainly may be wrong but I think this may be the first time that Gordon has been (possibly) suspended for pot. First it was a DWI then it was alcohol. :shrug:

Weed 2x in college, codeine first time in the nfl, then DUI, then 2 more failed weed tests now.

So if you are counting thats 4x total for weed, 1 time for codeine, and 1 time for alcohol.

And in the middle of all this he went on a rant about not having a "problem".

[Mr. Laz]

He's gotta be done now ... right?


I realize he is uber talented but he's addicted and won't stop until he hits bottom. The sooner he hits the bottom the less likely the bottom will be his death. jmo

[Coochie liquor]

I never called anyone a dumb sheep. Thats B-ops.
I dont believe i've insulted anyone over this topic or at least never made it very personal.




your best years were obviously when you were 13 on the playground
with this cliche of a joke insult.

Just pointing out how awesome of a free thinker you are and nobody else can think outside the box. Yet the majority here likely have jobs, lives, etc. hard to be all knowing yet unable to correct your own problems.

[Toby Waller]

Just pointing out how awesome of a free thinker you are and nobody else can think outside the box. Yet the majority here likely have jobs, lives, etc. hard to be all knowing yet unable to correct your own problems.

or maybe because all you know is the rat race,you havent had time to look at the spinning wheel you are on. You are a prisoner of your own environment.
yep, you live in a box.



truth: you dont know a single thing about my personal life/business/relations,what ever.
You really dont.No ones life is black and white.

[ThaVirus]

Dude's got Dane-level impulse control issues

[PutQuinnIn]

So has he passed a clean test ever? Talk about pissing away millions of $.

[DaneMcCloud]

Dude's got Dane-level impulse control issues

:spock:

[BossChief]

A "great locker room" won't make a person who smokes weed every single day, multiple times a day, stop.

If he truly wanted to stop, he'd be in rehab and therapy because it's more than likely that there's an undiagnosed issue which leads him to constantly smoke.of course there is.

I just think sometimes the best medicine is a change of scenery.

Going from the factory of sadness to a winning organization with a locker room with guys like Houston and Berry in it would give the kid the best chance to turn his life around.

If that's able to happen, this whole offense becomes extremely tough to even slow down.

I'm a gambler and the risk/reward from that is well worth it.

How do you know a guy like Houston still doesn't smoke.

The problem isn't Gordon doing whatever he's doing, it's he can't stop when he's about to be drug tested. If he knows a test is coming and he can't quit for that small amount of time then that's a mental problem more than it is anything else.

The NFL literally gives these guys x amount of time to do their recreational drugs and then tells them when they are going to test.

Houston failed his combine test for weed and turned things around.

[DaneMcCloud]

Houston failed his combine test for weed and turned things around.

Josh Gordon is a perpetual user. He's not like Houston, who just partied.

I think you're missing the big picture here that this person has some serious issues to overcome.

The locker room doesn't exist 24/7.

[ClevelandBronco]

Once again, I agree with Dane. The "change of scenery" is known in the recovery world as "the geographic cure." It rarely works for those of us who've abused substances to quiet our demons because no matter where we go we can't get away from ourselves. The substance abuse is often just a symptom, not the actual problem.

EDIT: I should instead say that abuse and addiction are often not at the root of the problem. Addiction does become one hell of a problem of its own after a while.

[Coochie liquor]

or maybe because all you know is the rat race,you havent had time to look at the spinning wheel you are on. You are a prisoner of your own environment.
yep, you live in a box.



truth: you dont know a single thing about my personal life/business/relations,what ever.
You really dont.No ones life is black and white.

I know what info you give. If you're a liar then that's on you and I could honestly care less. It's an Internet message board. Bottom line is you want to seem like you know it all but in reality you don't know shit either. You just put words together to try and look smart. Too bad for you its doesn't really come off that way to everyone else. All I know is the rat race? Glad to see you obviously think you know lots about how everyone else's lives work and what we all do wrong. Why don't you worry about righting your own wrongs, that's where YOUR problem lies.

[Eleazar]

Please, please, please MU that dumb fucker.

Pretty please?


With sugar on top?

He's reached that special level of being so miserable that iggy doesn't help because of all the quoting.

[Eleazar]

Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon's petition for reinstatement has been denied by the NFL, a league spokesman confirmed Tuesday. He may re-apply for reinstatement on Aug. 1.

The NFL said it would have no further comment.

Gordon, who turns 25 on Wednesday, failed a drug test last month, sources told ESPN, confirming multiple reports. While the level of marijuana reportedly in his system was below the 35 nanogram threshold, the sample was diluted, which is the same as a positive test by the NFL's standards.

The news of Gordon's failed test came on the heels of sources telling ESPN that Gordon is living with former Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel off of Sunset Boulevard. Manziel had told TMZ that he was living with Von Miller. The Denver Broncos linebacker said in an Instagram post Monday that Manziel wasn't living with him, but the quarterback was his "brother" and he has his back.

The Browns plan to determine Gordon's future with the team after a decision on his reinstatement. If Gordon is reinstated, coach Hue Jackson and director of football operations Sashi Brown would have a lengthy heart-to-heart with him. At that time, the team would judge Gordon's mindset and make a decision on his future. Though the team could release him at any time, the Browns have no immediate plans to do so.

Earlier Tuesday, a league source told Schefter that Gordon's reinstatement would be delayed until NFL officials feel comfortable he has 60-90 days of no "red-flag tests.

[Marcellus]

Once again, I agree with Dane. The "change of scenery" is known in the recovery world as "the geographic cure." It rarely works for those of us who've abused substances to quiet our demons because no matter where we go we can't get away from ourselves. The substance abuse is often just a symptom, not the actual problem.

EDIT: I should instead say that abuse and addiction are often not at the root of the problem. Addiction does become one hell of a problem of its own after a while.

There is an old saying about this - No matter where you go, there you are.

[Couch-Potato]

So... is he available now? Because I have no qualms with pot and we need another dynamic WR. Kids been getting in the best shape of his life out here in LA this year. Someone teach him how to cheat the drug test and lets do this!

[Eleazar]

So... is he available now? Because I have no qualms with pot and we need another dynamic WR. Kids been getting in the best shape of his life out here in LA this year. Someone teach him how to cheat the drug test and lets do this!

:drool:

[BleedingRed]

:drool:

It might have been a joke, but I would take Josh Gordon right now... I'd even trade as high as a 4th for him.

[BleedingRed]

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[Eleazar]

It might have been a joke, but I would take Josh Gordon right now... I'd even trade as high as a 4th for him.

LMAO

[BleedingRed]

LMAO

12 games 1,600 yards......

[ThaVirus]

The talent is incredible and a 5th or 6th given up likely wouldn't amount to much anyway. I also wonder how a change of scenery would help a guy like him. I mean, Cleveland is a shit hole by every measure..

But he's a couple years removed from playing and I had absolutely no idea they gave the players 30 days notice before tests. It seems this guy probably has some legitimately psychological disorder.

[Abba-Dabba]

The talent is incredible and a 5th or 6th given up likely wouldn't amount to much anyway. I also wonder how a change of scenery would help a guy like him. I mean, Cleveland is a shit hole by every measure..

But he's a couple years removed from playing and I had absolutely no idea they gave the players 30 days notice before tests. It seems this guy probably has some legitimately psychological disorder.

Cap hit is minimal. What you are really looking for in that scenario is the rights to him in 2017 if he does find a way to stay playing.

[Bowser]

Josh Gordon would love this thread, because there are some people high as fuck in it right now.

[BleedingRed]

Josh Gordon would love this thread, because there are some people high as **** in it right now.

You would get him on his rookie contract for the next 3 years, Andy Reid has worked with troubled player before (Desean Jackson) and he would allow for a reall dynamic WR core.

[DaneMcCloud]

Josh Gordon would love this thread, because there are some people high as fuck in it right now.

LMAO

Agreed.

[BleedingRed]

LMAO

Agreed.

What is so crazy about wanting a massive talent. This isn't Johnny Football, this is more like a Randy Moss type sit

[Eleazar]

You would get him on his rookie contract for the next 3 years, Andy Reid has worked with troubled player before (Desean Jackson) and he would allow for a reall dynamic WR core.

What exactly were Jackson's troubles?

Did Jackson get kicked off his college team after multiple suspensions and then come to the NFL unchanged pulling the same garbage? Was Jackson ever suspended from the league? Was he ever in stage 3 of the substance abuse policy? Was Jackson suspended for more games than he played the first four years of his career? Was he still testing positive while suspended?

For that matter I don't think anyone in the history of the NFL has been suspended for more games than Gordon has and he's like 25

[Bowser]

You would get him on his rookie contract for the next 3 years, Andy Reid has worked with troubled player before (Desean Jackson) and he would allow for a reall dynamic WR core.

Josh Gordon is this >< close to getting a lifetime ban because he can't stay away from weed (ridiculous, but that's another subject). I agree 1000% on the potential he has and the ability he's shown, but playing football isn't what comes first in his life. DeSean Jackson was an arrogant little fuck, but even he never got into the depth of shit Gordon is in right now. I wanted us to trade for him last year, even. But now there is no denying that this kid just isn't a reliable player to have on your team and isn't worthy of any draft picks being sent away.

Maybe one day he gets his shit together and puts up a Hall of Fame worthy career ala Cris Carter. But seriously, how many Cris Carter stories do YOU know of?

[Simply Red]

Josh Gordon is a perpetual user. He's not like Houston, who just partied.

I think you're missing the big picture here that this person has some serious issues to overcome.

The locker room doesn't exist 24/7.

Pot is the only reason Houston fell to us that yr. :)

[BleedingRed]

Pot is the only reason Houston fell to us that yr. :)

#fact Weed gave us a Amazing Allpro Pass Rusher

[BossChief]

Weed also got the Chiefs out of that contract with Bowe and allowed us to sign Jeremy Maclin with the money.

So, really, weed got the Chiefs Maclin and Houston.

[BleedingRed]

Weed also got the Chiefs out of that contract with Bowe and allowed us to sign Jeremy Maclin with the money.

So, really, weed got the Chiefs Maclin and Houston.

OMG WEED + GORDON = GORDON CHIEFS

[Couch-Potato]

https://nflmocks.com/2016/05/11/josh-gordon-will-any-nfl-team-risk-him/

Call him up, unless that's tampering, then wait a little bit and call him up!

[BossChief]

Id take him in KC for a 1 year vet min deal in a heartbeat.

Them boys in the locker room will keep him clean.

[Couch-Potato]

Id take him in KC for a 1 year vet min deal in a heartbeat.

Them boys in the locker room will keep him clean.


There's no downside to a deal like that really. If he flops, who cares!? Low risk, incredible reward. Unique opportunity.

[MIAdragon]

Id take him in KC for a 1 year vet min deal in a heartbeat.

Them boys in the locker room will keep him clean.

So would every other team, it's going to take more than that.

[Eleazar]

So would every other team, it's going to take more than that.

Not every team is going to let someone like this anywhere near their locker room.

[MIAdragon]

Not every team is going to let someone like this anywhere near their locker room.

He's got a weed issue not a wife beating problem, I disagree.