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penguinz
01-30-2015, 11:01 AM
According to the FCC you may no longer have broadband internet.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/29/7932653/fcc-changed-definition-broadband-25mbps

The FCC has changed the definition of broadband

The minimum broadband download speeds now begin at 25Mbps, up from 4Mbps


By Micah Singleton (http://www.theverge.com/users/MicahSingleton)

As part of its 2015 Broadband Progress Report, the Federal Communications Commission has voted to change the definition of broadband by raising the minimum download speeds needed from 4Mbps to 25Mbps, and the minimum upload speed from 1Mbps to 3Mbps, which effectively triples the number of US households without broadband access. Currently, 6.3 percent of US households don’t have access to broadband under the previous 4Mpbs/1Mbps threshold, while another 13.1 percent don't have access to broadband under the new 25Mbps downstream threshold.


FCC Commissioner Tom Wheeler was vehement in his support for the new broadband standard. "When 80 percent of Americans can access 25-3, that's a standard. We have a problem that 20 percent can't. We have a responsibility to that 20 percent," Commissioner Wheeler said.
"We are never satisfied with the status quo. We want better. We continue to push the limit, and that is notable when it comes to technology," FCC Commissioner Mignon Clyburn said. "As consumers adopt and demand more from their platforms and devices, the need for broadband will increase, requiring robust networks to be in place in order to keep up. What is crystal clear to me is that the broadband speeds of yesteryear are woefully inadequate today and beyond."


FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel wants to increase the minimum broadband standards far past the new 25Mbps download threshold, up to 100Mbps. "We invented the internet. We can do audacious things if we set big goals, and I think our new threshold, frankly, should be 100Mbps. I think anything short of that shortchanges our children, our future, and our new digital economy," Commissioner Rosenworcel said.


<q class="center">"I think our new threshold, frankly, should be 100Mbps."</q>
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Taking his argument against changing the broadband standard into deep space, FCC Commissioner Michael O'Rielly said "the report notes that 4K TV requires 25Mbps, but 4K TV is still relatively new and is not expected to be widely adopted for years to come. While the statute directs us to look at advanced capability, this stretches the concept to an untenable extreme. Some people, for example, believe probably incorrectly that we are on a path to interplanetary teleportation. Should we include the estimated bandwidth for that as well?"


Changing the national broadband standards to 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up is a bold move for the FCC, which has faced opposition from cable providers which are staunchly against this measure, as it essentially removed DSL services from the broadband discussion. While cable and fiber optic services can easily meet the new standards, DSL — which is delivered over telephone lines — generally never reach the new download threshold.


<q class="center">Current DSL offerings won't be considered broadband under new rules</q>

Companies like AT&T and Verizon, which employ DSL services to a notable number of their users — 4 million of AT&T’s 16 million broadband subscribers and 2.6 million of Verizon’s 9.2 million subscribers have DSL. AT&T’s fastest DSL offerings only reach 6Mbps down, while Verizon’s DSL speeds top out at 15Mbps, and that won’t be increasing, at least on Verizon’s end. Speaking to Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/01/tons-of-att-and-verizon-customers-may-no-longer-have-broadband-tomorrow/), a Verizon spokesperson said "we currently do not have any plans to enhance that." As you would expect, cable companies weren’t too happy about the new rule.


In a letter sent to the FCC (http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=60001015613) last week, the National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA) made known its objections to any changes to current broadband standards, stating that examples used by supporters of raising the broadband standards "dramatically exaggerate the amount of bandwidth needed by the typical broadband user." Netflix is one of those supporters pushing for a higher broadband standards, as faster broadband speeds are needed to stream its 4K content, and will increase its potential for more subscribers. But right now, Netflix’s interests and the public’s interests are aligned — everyone wants faster broadband internet except for the people who have to provide the service.


The NCTA told the FCC that 25Mbps down isn't needed for 4K streaming — the number Netflix recommends for anyone streaming its Ultra HD content — and that users aren't even interested in higher quality content yet. "Netflix, for instance, bases its call for a 25 Mbps download threshold on what it believes consumers need for streaming 4K and Ultra HD video content — despite the fact that only a tiny fraction of consumers use their broadband connections in this manner," the NCTA said. "...The consensus among others in the industry that 25 Mbps is significantly more bandwidth than is needed for 4K streaming."


While you may not need a minimum download speed of 25Mbps to stream 4K content, it wouldn't hurt, and standing pat with subpar US broadband capabilities (http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/10/6131759/i-live-in-the-us-and-i-cant-get-home-internet) just isn't a viable option at this point. With the US currently ranked 25th in the world in broadband speeds (http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/), the FCC's decision will force cable providers to step up speeds for everyone, something that probably would have happened with even a little competition in the broadband market.

Fish
01-30-2015, 11:05 AM
The NCTA told the FCC that 25Mbps down isn't needed for 4K streaming — the number Netflix recommends for anyone streaming its Ultra HD content — and that users aren't even interested in higher quality content yet.

Guru is the only user in the US that would agree with that nonsense...

BigRedChief
01-30-2015, 11:06 AM
75mpbs here.

Bearcat
01-30-2015, 11:24 AM
Maybe that helps the net neutrality issue and the ISP sob story bullshit, where they can't afford the strains of Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc; well, at least until Fiber steps in, then they hand out 100mbps like it's 10 cent candy.

DaveNull
01-30-2015, 11:25 AM
921.88 Mbps this morning.

Makes total sense to not call 4Mbps broadband at this point.

MTG#10
01-30-2015, 11:27 AM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102572913.png

morphius
01-30-2015, 11:42 AM
I sadly do not. But I'm not going to upgrade till google comes to my house, hopefully this year...

Rausch
01-30-2015, 11:43 AM
I pay for broadband and on the best days Mediacom is far below the average...

Iconic
01-30-2015, 11:45 AM
Lol **** Verizon my DL speed is 1.52Mbps... I remember calling them 4 months ago about how shitty my connection was and they said they couldn't do anything about it. They fucking told me the speed test was faulty and my connection was perfect. Seriously?

hometeam
01-30-2015, 11:54 AM
Does gigabit fiber upload and download count?

Just asking~

Fire Me Boy!
01-30-2015, 12:40 PM
What's a Mbps?

And what kind of bandwidth do I get from this?

http://vnfa8y5n3zndutm1.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/modem-500.jpg

BigMeatballDave
01-30-2015, 01:00 PM
Lol **** Verizon my DL speed is 1.52Mbps... I remember calling them 4 months ago about how shitty my connection was and they said they couldn't do anything about it. They fucking told me the speed test was faulty and my connection was perfect. Seriously?

I would have cancelled my service with them immediately if they told me that.

Discuss Thrower
01-30-2015, 01:02 PM
You peons don't need streaming high definition video.

Go to Blockbuster as is demanded of your social station in life.

alpha_omega
01-30-2015, 01:07 PM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102834791.png

Discuss Thrower
01-30-2015, 01:11 PM
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4102846748"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102846748.png" /></a>


Fucking Mediacom is *better* here? Motherfuck this.

BigRedChief
01-30-2015, 01:49 PM
Guess I'm getting a little better bandwidth than my paid for 75 mbps
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102938962.png (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4102938962)

Fish
01-30-2015, 01:53 PM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102950594.png

Discuss Thrower
01-30-2015, 01:55 PM
... and here I was thinking Springfield was the penultimate level of civilization.

beach tribe
01-30-2015, 02:03 PM
921.88 Mbps this morning.

Makes total sense to not call 4Mbps broadband at this point.

Did you get that reading from utorrent?

Edit: Holy shit..I guess not.

beach tribe
01-30-2015, 02:08 PM
OK.

I can stream video on 3 PCs, torrent movies at 3.9 Mps.......basically I never see a lag with tablets going and PCs in every room.
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4103008678"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4103008678.png" /></a>.
I am a heavy user.
What could you possibly need over 900Mbps for other than a huge call room/business?

bobbymitch
01-30-2015, 02:10 PM
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4102986797"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102986797.png" /></a>
I may be old, but I am slow. Can't complain for not being as fast as most, but good enough for living in the woods.

BWillie
01-30-2015, 02:18 PM
Once you get to 50mbps or higher, I don't really see a difference. Everything streams just fine. I don't really download any really big files, though.

hometeam
01-30-2015, 02:24 PM
If your not a Google fiber subscriber, you cant actually connect to the speedtest server they sponsor. The best I am able to get on speedtest is about 900mbps up/down out of one of the Springfield servers, but then can download on 2 pcs at about 60MBps/each which is right at that 1000mbps threshold. My fiber is through Co-Mo-net, if your anywhere in west-central mo/Lake Ozark you had better check into them. **** mediacom, centurylink, ATT and every other ISP~

#firstworldproblems ~

http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/panel-31843043-image-2ea0177d24d70f42-320.png

MTG#10
01-30-2015, 02:29 PM
You lucky bastards with Google fiber, whats your bandwidth cap per month? Or is there one?

penguinz
01-30-2015, 02:30 PM
You lucky bastards with Google fiber, whats your bandwidth cap per month? Or is there one?There isn't one.

Fish
01-30-2015, 02:32 PM
You lucky bastards with Google fiber, whats your bandwidth cap per month? Or is there one?

Bandwidth cap?

http://www.gifsoup.com/view2/1371421/hyde-laughing-o.gif

ndws
01-30-2015, 02:34 PM
My guess is that this is a leverage play to allocate dollars to go to the big Telco's so they can start deprecating legacy equipment they have in lesser populated ILECs.

Broadband can be called whatever they make it to be, but when they start metering it like cell data, whats the point?

Discuss Thrower
01-30-2015, 02:37 PM
You'll find no support from telecomm.

Net neutrality will be killed and bandwidth will be rationed unless Goog expands beyond 2~ new areas a year.

ndws
01-30-2015, 02:43 PM
You'll find no support from telecomm.

Net neutrality will be killed and bandwidth will be rationed unless Goog expands beyond 2~ new areas a year.

Teleco will support whatever the RUS and other programs are handing out money for. Well, small teleco anyway. Big teleco have their own lobbiest, etc. which is why I would imagine this is a a way for them to leverage dollars to improve their own infrastructures in areas they really have crap.

DaveNull
01-30-2015, 02:47 PM
Bandwidth cap?

http://www.gifsoup.com/view2/1371421/hyde-laughing-o.gif

You bet. I only have so many hard drives.

bobbymitch
01-30-2015, 03:30 PM
If your not a Google fiber subscriber, you cant actually connect to the speedtest server they sponsor. The best I am able to get on speedtest is about 900mbps up/down out of one of the Springfield servers, but then can download on 2 pcs at about 60MBps/each which is right at that 1000mbps threshold. My fiber is through Co-Mo-net, if your anywhere in west-central mo/Lake Ozark you had better check into them. **** mediacom, centurylink, ATT and every other ISP~

#firstworldproblems ~

http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/panel-31843043-image-2ea0177d24d70f42-320.png

Sooooo, you opted for their gigabite service to get those speeds? "Standard" is 35 around here.

KCFalcon59
01-30-2015, 04:04 PM
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4103244748"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4103244748.png" /></a>

DaFace
01-30-2015, 04:06 PM
I'm on a whopping 12Mbps down 5Mbps up DSL connection, but I'd rather have that than pay Comcast a dime.

Stewie
01-30-2015, 04:10 PM
I'm on a whopping 12Mbps down 5Mbps up DSL connection, but I'd rather have that than pay Comcast a dime.

I'm 15 and 2. It works fine for me. I can stream HD movies, etc. without a problem. I'm on a cheap Earthlink plan.

KCFalcon59
01-30-2015, 04:14 PM
Guru is the only user in the US that would agree with that nonsense...

:LOL:

Guru's speedtest:

BigRedChief
01-30-2015, 04:18 PM
What does google fiber cost in the KC area?

Stewie
01-30-2015, 04:24 PM
What does google fiber cost in the KC area?

$120/month for ridiculous Internet speeds and TV.

beach tribe
01-30-2015, 04:30 PM
I'm on a whopping 12Mbps down 5Mbps up DSL connection, but I'd rather have that than pay Comcast a dime.

Criminal organization.

BUT if you order all of your service on-line and get a transcript of every conversation you can get pretty good service (lol not customer servics)
for not too steep. I'm paying 39.99 and getting 30mbps.

Fish
01-30-2015, 04:38 PM
What does google fiber cost in the KC area?

$70/month for just gigbabit internet.

cosmo20002
01-30-2015, 05:41 PM
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4102846748"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102846748.png" /></a>


****ing Mediacom is *better* here? Mother**** this.

This is about what mine says, but when I check the connection status on the computer it hovers around 100 mbs. So, I don't know what that means.

beach tribe
01-30-2015, 05:58 PM
This is about what mine says, but when I check the connection status on the computer it hovers around 100 mbs. So, I don't know what that means.

That's probably the capability of your wireless adapter.

BigRedChief
01-30-2015, 07:00 PM
$120/month for ridiculous Internet speeds and TV.What kind of TV? What channels?

BigRedChief
01-30-2015, 07:03 PM
That's probably the capability of your wireless adapter.Also the capability (CPU/memory/Bus etc.) of the pc/laptop to handle the packets.

hometeam
01-30-2015, 07:11 PM
Sooooo, you opted for their gigabite service to get those speeds? "Standard" is 35 around here.

Yes I pay 100 for the co-mo gigabit service. I am constantly streaming/downloading etc etc, I need the speed burst, rather than the constant bandwidth (havent found a good use for that yet)

como has 5/5, 35/35, 100/100, and 1000/1000

For a hundred bucks for the fastest internet anywhere ill take it. Especially considering I live in a rural town of 4000 people 100+ miles from Google Fiber.

The entirety of the Lake isn't set up for co-mo yet, though much of it is in building phase.

tk13
01-30-2015, 07:55 PM
The other interesting side effect of this is the Comcast/Time Warner merger. Defining broadband this way means if the merger goes through, Comcast will now control a majority of broadband service in the US. This could hurt their chances to getting the merger approved.

bobbymitch
01-30-2015, 08:00 PM
Yes I pay 100 for the co-mo gigabit service. I am constantly streaming/downloading etc etc, I need the speed burst, rather than the constant bandwidth (havent found a good use for that yet)

como has 5/5, 35/35, 100/100, and 1000/1000

For a hundred bucks for the fastest internet anywhere ill take it. Especially considering I live in a rural town of 4000 people 100+ miles from Google Fiber.

The entirety of the Lake isn't set up for co-mo yet, though much of it is in building phase.
Hum, ya live in the big city huh? Nearest town from me has 421. Still wavering about making the switch as we would lose JC and Columbia TV stations and get SPM stations instead. They don't really don't cover anything north of Bolivar for news/weather, so pretty much a waste. And unless someone parks a satellite for TV over SE Iowa, that option is a no go. Yet Co-Mo is cheaper . . . . . . .

Saulbadguy
01-30-2015, 08:00 PM
Only when i'm at work.

Al Bundy
01-30-2015, 08:17 PM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4103649806.png (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4103649806)

Saulbadguy
01-30-2015, 08:23 PM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102950594.png

f'ng a, man

jjjayb
01-30-2015, 08:58 PM
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4103706837"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4103706837.png" /></a>

Comcast in Olathe.

Stewie
01-30-2015, 09:39 PM
What kind of TV? What channels?

From what I can tell it's all cable channels in HD. Premium movie channels and some sports channels are an extra expense. There doesn't seem to be any tier pricing, you just get them all unless you want the premium channels, etc.

HonestChieffan
01-30-2015, 09:59 PM
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4103793270"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4103793270.png" /></a>


Centurylink is as much a shit as Verizon.

BWillie
01-30-2015, 11:57 PM
What does google fiber cost in the KC area?

Free internet up to 5mbps for 7 years, as long as u pay $300 construction fee

Miles
01-31-2015, 12:04 AM
From what I can tell it's all cable channels in HD. Premium movie channels and some sports channels are an extra expense. There doesn't seem to be any tier pricing, you just get them all unless you want the premium channels, etc.

That's pretty crazy for those of us stuck with a local monopoly like Time Warner.

Buck
01-31-2015, 12:07 AM
I pay for 28/3. Stupid.

<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4103963492"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4103963492.png" /></a>

Simply Red
01-31-2015, 01:00 AM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102572913.png

dammit!

http://i.imgur.com/IW1zS5u.png

Simply Red
01-31-2015, 01:03 AM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102950594.png



http://i.imgur.com/EM0NtTY.gif

R8RFAN
01-31-2015, 01:20 AM
Barely

http://thumbnails111.imagebam.com/38608/215947386070658.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/215947386070658)

Fire Me Boy!
01-31-2015, 06:29 AM
I live in a tiny town. Down is pretty good, up sucks.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/31/3d923b3165ad37aa3ceaf073ce18e9d9.jpg

KCUnited
01-31-2015, 08:32 AM
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4104854406"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4104854406.png" /></a>

BigRedChief
01-31-2015, 08:39 AM
From what I can tell it's all cable channels in HD. Premium movie channels and some sports channels are an extra expense. There doesn't seem to be any tier pricing, you just get them all unless you want the premium channels, etc.I get my 75mbps for $35 a month. But its only as a package deal when I buy the cable channels. Stand alone broadband is going to be $80-$100 a month.

Fish
01-31-2015, 09:26 AM
f'ng a, man

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/982/post-19715-Brent-Rambo-gif-thumbs-up-imgu-L3yP.gif

Fish
01-31-2015, 09:43 AM
No joke... when I was going to school at K-State, I was the very first customer in Manhattan, KS to get DSL. There were 4 technicians there setting it up, and it took them forever because they didn't know what they were doing. It took them another 1.5 days of it being on in my house before it actually worked and gave me an internet connection. During which time they would call me on my landline and tell me to unplug and restart the DSL modem.

But once it did, I thought I was king. Played Quake 2 for about 72 hours straight, just slaughtering all the poor 56K dialup noobs.

Dave Lane
01-31-2015, 10:26 AM
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4102834791.png

Holy mother of gawd!!!

ModSocks
01-31-2015, 10:35 AM
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4105168708"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4105168708.png" /></a>

MTG#10
01-31-2015, 11:04 AM
dammit!

http://i.imgur.com/IW1zS5u.png
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4105243441.png

Come at me bro

KCUnited
01-31-2015, 12:08 PM
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4104854406"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4104854406.png" /></a>

Oops, that was through wifi.

<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4105403872"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4105403872.png" /></a>

hometeam
01-31-2015, 12:49 PM
Fiber master race represent~