Denver wants Manning to take a paycut

[BossChief]

They just talked about this on ESPN radio.

Manning told Denver he wants to return and is physically and mentally ready to go. They told him they need to reduce his pay to get other players signed.

Mannings agent (Tom Condon I think) went public (sorry on phone so I can't look up and link) saying there are lots of teams that would sign Manning for what Denver was supposed to pay him this year.

Thought it was interesting that Manning isn't interested in taking less to bolster the roster. The guy has made a bunch of money...wouldn't he want to take less at the end of his career to have a better chance at winning it all?

Apparently not.

[ModSocks]

Well, apparently he's no Tom Brady.

[Hootie]

this is fucking bullshit, and I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco

it's not a QB's job to TAKE LESS MONEY to do ANYTHING

ever

Just because Tom Brady has a lifetime contract with New England that will pay him millions of dollars per year every year he's alive to just be Tom Brady, Boston hero, doesn't mean he's a great guy

I don't think ANY ATHLETE, not even Kobe Bryant (who I fucking hate) should ever take a paycut to "get players signed."

Fuck that.

Is the owner taking a paycut?

No fucking way would I ever take a paycut for ANY fucking reason if I'm worth that much money to my team, like Peyton is.

It's a ridiculous notion.

[BossChief]

They made it seem like Denver might release him if he doesn't take a paycut.

[RealSNR]

Denver should honestly just move on. The longer you take to find his replacement (and that includes the throwaway year they'll be racking up by letting Manning play one more time) the longer the foundation you've built either leaves for more money elsewhere or gets too old or loses out on their usefulness.

Like, when Manning leaves next year, are they going to play grabass with Osweiler? Are they going to look for an Alex Smith-type free agent that's loitering around? They'll probably draft a guy, too, but that always takes time.

Start that process now.

[The Franchise]

Denver should honestly just move on. The longer you take to find his replacement (and that includes the throwaway year they'll be racking up by letting Manning play one more time) the longer the foundation you've built either leaves for more money elsewhere or gets too old or loses out on their usefulness.

Like, when Manning leaves next year, are they going to play grabass with Osweiler? Are they going to look for an Alex Smith-type free agent that's loitering around? They'll probably draft a guy, too, but that always takes time.

Start that process now.

This.

[Hootie]

Denver should honestly just move on. The longer you take to find his replacement (and that includes the throwaway year they'll be racking up by letting Manning play one more time) the longer the foundation you've built either leaves for more money elsewhere or gets too old or loses out on their usefulness.

Like, when Manning leaves next year, are they going to play grabass with Osweiler? Are they going to look for an Alex Smith-type free agent that's loitering around? They'll probably draft a guy, too, but that always takes time.

Start that process now.

totally agree

I talked to one of my best friends, Denver diehard, and he's ready to move on. He loves Manning, but realizes that team isn't winning a Super Bowl with Manning, so what's the point?

Release him, let Manning latch on elsewhere. He needs to go to St. Louis.

[FRCDFED]

this is ****ing bullshit, and I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco

it's not a QB's job to TAKE LESS MONEY to do ANYTHING

ever

Just because Tom Brady has a lifetime contract with New England that will pay him millions of dollars per year every year he's alive to just be Tom Brady, Boston hero, doesn't mean he's a great guy

I don't think ANY ATHLETE, not even Kobe Bryant (who I ****ing hate) should ever take a paycut to "get players signed."

**** that.

Is the owner taking a paycut?

No ****ing way would I ever take a paycut for ANY ****ing reason if I'm worth that much money to my team, like Peyton is.

It's a ridiculous notion.That's it in a nutshell right there. I think many can make the argument that his skills are on the decline and he isn't worth that much money. If it takes bolstering the roster around him to even have a shot then he isn't worth it.

If there is one thing that Manning has proven in his career is that he can't win it by himself. Indy was smart when they decided not to pay Manning and draft Luck.

[Hootie]

what QB can win it by himself?

what a ridiculous thing to say.

If Joe Flacco is worth $20M a year, I can guarantee you Peyton Manning, even the 39 year old version, is worth $20M a year.

I hate it when people call Kobe greedy for the same thing. Really? Really?

It's fucking ridiculous.

Tom Brady has a lifetime verbal contract with the Patriots. He is going to make millions upon millions upon millions being an official Patriots ambassador for the rest of his life.

This does not make him a better team player, I assure you.

[The Franchise]

That's it in a nutshell right there. I think many can make the argument that his skills are on the decline and he isn't worth that much money. If it takes bolstering the roster around him to even have a shot then he isn't worth it.

If there is one thing that Manning has proven in his career is that he can't win it by himself. Indy was smart when they decided not to pay Manning and draft Luck.

Dude....ANY team would have dumped Manning for Luck.

[RealSNR]

That's it in a nutshell right there. I think many can make the argument that his skills are on the decline and he isn't worth that much money. If it takes bolstering the roster around him to even have a shot then he isn't worth it.

If there is one thing that Manning has proven in his career is that he can't win it by himself. Indy was smart when they decided not to pay Manning and draft Luck.

The dumbest motherfucking GMs in NFL history would have drafted Luck and cut Manning loose in that exact same situation.

Scott Pioli, Matt Millen, Jack Steadman, all of them.

Okay, maybe not Carl Peterson, but 99.9% of them would have. Saying Indy is smart for drafting Luck and getting rid of Manning is like saying they're smart for breathing oxygen.

[FRCDFED]

First off, Joe Flacco is also not worth 20 mil per. What makes Tom Brady a better teammate is that he was willing to defer current payments for future ambassador payments thus allowing the Patriots to remain competitive for such a long time. Obviously the value of that can be measured with his "team" success on the field.

Brady = 6 SB appearances with 4 wins. Hard to argue with those results.

[BossChief]

totally agree

I talked to one of my best friends, Denver diehard, and he's ready to move on. He loves Manning, but realizes that team isn't winning a Super Bowl with Manning, so what's the point?

Release him, let Manning latch on elsewhere. He needs to go to St. Louis.

That's the team I think would be the best fit, too.

[Hootie]

First off, Joe Flacco is also not worth 20 mil per. What makes Tom Brady a better teammate is that he was willing to defer current payments for future ambassador payments thus allowing the Patriots to remain competitive for such a long time. Obviously the value of that can be measured with his "team" success on the field.

Brady = 6 SB appearances with 4 wins. Hard to argue with those results.

yeah

he's a better person because all of the illegal money he's going to get after his career that was undoubtedly promised to him for these "deferments"

it's against the rules, but it's impossible to prove

and I will bet anything that Tom Brady will be getting paid by the Patriots after his career is over for years, and years, and years

[FRCDFED]

On a side note.........the proposal to Manning shouldn't have been "take less money so we can sign more players." It is basically just stating the obvious, more cap money provides more opportunities to sign a better supporting cast.

It should have been proposed to fivehead to take less money or you can find other employment. Attach his salary to his own performance.

So I agree with your point that "they shouldn't take less money for other players."

It was a copout by the team to phrase it the way they did.

[Eureka]

That's it in a nutshell right there. I think many can make the argument that his skills are on the decline and he isn't worth that much money. If it takes bolstering the roster around him to even have a shot then he isn't worth it.

If there is one thing that Manning has proven in his career is that he can't win it by himself. Indy was smart when they decided not to pay Manning and draft Luck.

3 straight AFC WEST champs and the playoffs every year inc 1 SB appearance.

Since Payton Manning has won more playoffs games in the last 3 years than the Chiefs have in 30 years I'm willing to bet a team like the Chiefs would be glad to have a 19 million dollar problem like the broncos have.

[dirk digler]

this is fucking bullshit, and I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco

it's not a QB's job to TAKE LESS MONEY to do ANYTHING

ever

Just because Tom Brady has a lifetime contract with New England that will pay him millions of dollars per year every year he's alive to just be Tom Brady, Boston hero, doesn't mean he's a great guy

I don't think ANY ATHLETE, not even Kobe Bryant (who I fucking hate) should ever take a paycut to "get players signed."

Fuck that.

Is the owner taking a paycut?

No fucking way would I ever take a paycut for ANY fucking reason if I'm worth that much money to my team, like Peyton is.

It's a ridiculous notion.

I disagree somewhat. If you are at the end of your career and you want to go out winning it all why wouldn't you take less money for that opportunity? PM and Kobe have made enough money for several lifetimes a few million dollars isn't going to hurt them.

[Mr. Laz]

Peyton Manning has not responded well to taking less money in the past.

[TimBone]

yeah

he's a better person because all of the illegal money he's going to get after his career that was undoubtedly promised to him for these "deferments"

it's against the rules, but it's impossible to prove

and I will bet anything that Tom Brady will be getting paid by the Patriots after his career is over for years, and years, and years
You can't keep saying that without proof.

It makes you look bias and weakens any argument that you're trying to put together.

[Lex Luthor]

this is ****ing bullshit, and I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco

it's not a QB's job to TAKE LESS MONEY to do ANYTHING

ever

Just because Tom Brady has a lifetime contract with New England that will pay him millions of dollars per year every year he's alive to just be Tom Brady, Boston hero, doesn't mean he's a great guy

I don't think ANY ATHLETE, not even Kobe Bryant (who I ****ing hate) should ever take a paycut to "get players signed."

**** that.

Is the owner taking a paycut?

No ****ing way would I ever take a paycut for ANY ****ing reason if I'm worth that much money to my team, like Peyton is.

It's a ridiculous notion.

http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t584/coatsworth340/U-MAD-BRO-Arnold-300x298_zpsd6de6dbb.jpg

[ThaVirus]

He would be a good fit for basically any team that already has an established defense and an average-above average offensive line. He'll make any offensive skill position players look good.

[BossChief]

So $ > winning to Manning

[FRCDFED]

3 straight AFC WEST champs. Yeah, like that has been difficult to accomplish. The Chiefs have been the only competition in the division for the past three years.

Please make a better argument for Manning than that.

[ThaVirus]

St. Louis, Cleveland, Houston, Buffalo..

They'd all become contenders overnight with Manning.

[Jim Lahey]

because manning won't be making money via commercials and such after he retires..right.

Dude is all about numbers.

[eDave]

Denver should honestly just move on. The longer you take to find his replacement (and that includes the throwaway year they'll be racking up by letting Manning play one more time) the longer the foundation you've built either leaves for more money elsewhere or gets too old or loses out on their usefulness.

Like, when Manning leaves next year, are they going to play grabass with Osweiler? Are they going to look for an Alex Smith-type free agent that's loitering around? They'll probably draft a guy, too, but that always takes time.

Start that process now.

Yup. Dump him if he doesn't take the cut, for which I agree with Hootie.

I think he is gone now. All that remains is the drama.

I'll like to know who's offering that money.

[DaWolf]

John Elway took less money over the table to win it all. He just got the rest of his money under the table...

[Hootie]

let me just argue this on Kobe's behalf since I'm a well known Kobe hater on this board:

Anyone who suggests Kobe was greedy and stubborn for not accepting his 2 year $48M contract is a fucking absolute moron

Kobe deserves a max contract just like Peyton deserves to be one of the highest paid QB's ... and taking less money is a ridiculous concept. So ridiculous.

and Tom Brady will be on the Patriots payroll for the rest of his life.

[Hootie]

in fact, guys like Tom Brady shouldn't be ALLOWED to make less money than guys like Joe Flacco.

If Peyton took a paycut down to $1M ... or if Tom took a paycut down to $1M ...

you wanna know what that is?!

CHEATING

[ThaVirus]

Kobe Bryant didn't deserve his latest max contract.

Wasn't that contract pretty much universally panned?

[DaWolf]

let me just argue this on Kobe's behalf since I'm a well known Kobe hater on this board:

Anyone who suggests Kobe was greedy and stubborn for not accepting his 2 year $48M contract is a ****ing absolute moron

Kobe deserves a max contract just like Peyton deserves to be one of the highest paid QB's ... and taking less money is a ridiculous concept. So ridiculous.

and Tom Brady will be on the Patriots payroll for the rest of his life.

Tom Brady's wife also makes five times more than he does so he has no worries...

[BigMeatballDave]

I talked to one of my best friends, Denver diehardShocking

[Hootie]

Kobe Bryant didn't deserve his latest max contract.

Wasn't that contract pretty much universally panned?

he didn't deserve it?!

realllllllllllllllly?

Kobe fucking Bryant ... the face of the biggest team in the NBA ... a guy who has been a perennial all-pro for over a decade ...

didn't deserve his last contract?

Pure insanity.

[Hootie]

Tom Brady should just take a paycut to the veteran minimum ...

you know

because that would be a real team player thing to do!

not cheating at all!

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that announced in the next few months.

[eDave]

Manning will not win it all anywhere anymore. I suspect, deep down, he knows that. So go for the money.

[Hootie]

father time caught up to him

can't cheat it ... he's done, we all saw that

the people who remember him for what he is now rather than what he was in his prime are morons

[eDave]

Shocking

I've got a Denver guy on my team. He feels the same way.

[Hootie]

(that doesn't mean he should take less money ... if Denver doesn't want to pay him the contract he signed, then by all means, release him)

[The Franchise]

Shocking

Shocking that one of his best friends is a Denver fan? Why? Because he's a Peyton Manning fan?

[HemiEd]

Peyton Manning has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can't get it done with plenty of chances to "win it all" in the twilight of his career. Of course it is all about money now.


He could get the Chiefs a playoff win at least, but that horse is out of the barn.

[Hootie]

Fine.

I'm ok with star players taking paycuts. From now on, when Brady or Manning takes a paycut, whatever they take that is lower than Joe Flacco's yearly salary, the owners have to multiply that by 10 and donate the sum to charity.

[ThaVirus]

he didn't deserve it?!



realllllllllllllllly?



Kobe fucking Bryant ... the face of the biggest team in the NBA ... a guy who has been a perennial all-pro for over a decade ...



didn't deserve his last contract?



Pure insanity.




You don't pay a guy for what he did for you. You pay him for what he will do for you.

Kobe's done. Stick a fork in him. He'll put up some nice stats from time to time but he's no longer the guy you build a team around.

[Hootie]

Shocking that one of his best friends is a Denver fan? Why? Because he's a Peyton Manning fan?

I was a Peyton fan, obviously, long before he was in Denver.

I can tell you the exact time I started envying Peyton Manning.

It was the no punt game when he broke my heart ... I watched a fucking robot carve apart our inept defense without even fucking trying ...

right then and there, I knew that I'd never see a better QB play this game

my idiot Denver friend was a bandwagoner from the Elway/T.D. years and he just never stopped cheering for them

[BigMeatballDave]

Shocking that one of his best friends is a Denver fan? Why? Because he's a Peyton Manning fan?

LOL Basically

Relax, I'm just flipping shit.

[Hootie]

You don't pay a guy for what he did for you. You pay him for what he will do for you.

Kobe's done. Stick a fork in him. He'll put up some nice stats from time to time but he's no longer the guy you build a team around.

I think that's bullshit. I know Kobe is done. It's over. He still deserves every cent of that contract. Every red penny.

[Rain Man]

in fact, guys like Tom Brady shouldn't be ALLOWED to make less money than guys like Joe Flacco.

If Peyton took a paycut down to $1M ... or if Tom took a paycut down to $1M ...

you wanna know what that is?!

CHEATING

You mean like Elway being listed on the books as playing for the league minimum in 1997 and 1998? And then getting paid as an employee later?

[The Franchise]

I was a Peyton fan, obviously, long before he was in Denver.

I can tell you the exact time I started envying Peyton Manning.

It was the no punt game when he broke my heart ... I watched a fucking robot carve apart our inept defense without even fucking trying ...

right then and there, I knew that I'd never see a better QB play this game

my idiot Denver friend was a bandwagoner from the Elway/T.D. years and he just never stopped cheering for them

My best friend is a HUGE Peyton Manning fan. That comes from being a Volunteer fan though. He loves calling me after every Denver/KC game to talk shit.

[Mr. Laz]

So $ > winning to Manning

Always has been.

He didn't give a fuck that his large salary handcuffed the Colt. I don't see that he will give a fuck that it does the same to Dungver.

[srvy]

You can't keep saying that without proof.

It makes you look bias and weakens any argument that you're trying to put together.

This^^^

Brady has been a team player his whole career regardless if Robert Kraft decides to employ him later after his career is over. Heck Joe Montana was given beer distributorships to supplement his salary in KC.

Everything I ever herd about Manning is everyone else takes a hit for the team not him.

[Discuss Thrower]

I was a Peyton fan, obviously, long before he was in Denver.

I can tell you the exact time I started envying Peyton Manning.

It was the no punt game when he broke my heart ... I watched a fucking robot carve apart our inept defense without even fucking trying ...

right then and there, I knew that I'd never see a better QB play this game

my idiot Denver friend was a bandwagoner from the Elway/T.D. years and he just never stopped cheering for them
So Manning beating one of the worst defenses ever fielded in the salary cap era is why you love the guy?


Ummmm.. That's like saying you love Tiger Woods because he beat your local country club's collection of scratch golfers by 30 strokes.

[The Franchise]

Always has been.

He didn't give a fuck that his large salary handcuffed the Colt. I don't see that he will give a fuck that it does the same to Dungver.

Does any QB? Has there been a QB that took a team friendly deal so that the team could sign better players?

[ThaVirus]

Aaron Rodgers is getting paid far more than Peyton at this point and isn't offering much more in the way of postseason success..

[dirk digler]

let me just argue this on Kobe's behalf since I'm a well known Kobe hater on this board:

Anyone who suggests Kobe was greedy and stubborn for not accepting his 2 year $48M contract is a fucking absolute moron

Kobe deserves a max contract just like Peyton deserves to be one of the highest paid QB's ... and taking less money is a ridiculous concept. So ridiculous.

and Tom Brady will be on the Patriots payroll for the rest of his life.

Kobe is too proud to admit it now but when he is finished in the next year or two I bet at some point he will admit he should have taken less because the most important thing to him is winning. People bash on Lebron but he took quite a bit less to play for the Heat.

[Mr. Laz]

in fact, guys like Tom Brady shouldn't be ALLOWED to make less money than guys like Joe Flacco.

If Peyton took a paycut down to $1M ... or if Tom took a paycut down to $1M ...

you wanna know what that is?!

CHEATING
Idiot


The Spur should be kicked out of the league because of all their 'cheating'.

:tinfoil:

[ThaVirus]

If I was an athlete of these guy's caliber, I'd hold out for every penny I could squeeze from the fuckers.

Why would I ever give two shits about lining my employer's pockets? The average NFL career is something like 3 years. Make as much money as humanly possible in the short time that you're able to..

[Hootie]

You mean like Elway being listed on the books as playing for the league minimum in 1997 and 1998? And then getting paid as an employee later?
That's exactly what I mean. If you're a premier QB, you should make premier money, no fucking exceptions (unless you're still on a rookie contract)

[Mr. Laz]

That's exactly what I mean. If you're a premier QB, you should make premier money, no fucking exceptions (unless you're still on a rookie contract)
So just have a league slotting system like for the draft.

Every player gets ranked by the league and gets paid X salary?


so much for a free market.


can you imagine how pissed everyone would get at Goodell if he tried to "hootie" the NFL. ROFL

[Hootie]

This^^^

Brady has been a team player his whole career regardless if Robert Kraft decides to employ him later after his career is over. Heck Joe Montana was given beer distributorships to supplement his salary in KC.

Everything I ever herd about Manning is everyone else takes a hit for the team not him.
Oh for sure ! Yeah ! Definitely.

So fucking stupid, lmfao

[Hootie]

Kobe is too proud to admit it now but when he is finished in the next year or two I bet at some point he will admit he should have taken less because the most important thing to him is winning. People bash on Lebron but he took quite a bit less to play for the Heat.
What would him taking less have done for that team? His problem is simple. No one wants to play with him.

[Hootie]

Idiot


The Spur should be kicked out of the league because of all their 'cheating'.

:tinfoil:
Wtf are you talking about?

[beach tribe]

this is ****ing bullshit, and I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco

it's not a QB's job to TAKE LESS MONEY to do ANYTHING

ever

Just because Tom Brady has a lifetime contract with New England that will pay him millions of dollars per year every year he's alive to just be Tom Brady, Boston hero, doesn't mean he's a great guy

I don't think ANY ATHLETE, not even Kobe Bryant (who I ****ing hate) should ever take a paycut to "get players signed."

**** that.

Is the owner taking a paycut?

No ****ing way would I ever take a paycut for ANY ****ing reason if I'm worth that much money to my team, like Peyton is.

It's a ridiculous notion.

They shouldn't have to.

It just shows that a guy who has all the money he will ever need cares more about more money than he does about winning a SB.

[Discuss Thrower]

Just me, but at a certain point the money shouldn't matter in comparison to winning titles after you've gone past your rookie and first big contract extension.

[Hootie]

So just have a league slotting system like for the draft.

Every player gets ranked by the league and gets paid X salary?


so much for a free market.


can you imagine how pissed everyone would get at Goodell if he tried to "hootie" the NFL. ROFL
Tom Brady's contract is fine. It's fringe, but it's fine.

If Tom Brady restructured for league minimum, it's blatant cheating. Blatant.

I can guarantee Tom will make tens of millions of dollars on the Patriots payroll after his career is over.

[The Franchise]

Just me, but at a certain point the money shouldn't matter in comparison to winning titles after you've gone past your rookie and first big contract extension.

Then why aren't other QBs taking way less money than they are now? You want to blame Manning for it....but I don't see anyone else fucking doing it.

[oldandslow]

So just have a league slotting system like for the draft.

Every player gets ranked by the league and gets paid X salary?


so much for a free market.


can you imagine how pissed everyone would get at Goodell if he tried to "hootie" the NFL. ROFL

And the salary cap is "free market."

I love it when people use the idea of the free market as long as it suits them, but the minute it doesn't - not so much.

[Hootie]

Peyton isn't winning anything else with or without taking a paycut. He's washed up now.

You guys are great at spending other people's money, though.

[DaneMcCloud]

This is just Elway's way of getting rid of Manning without looking like the bad guy. It's obvious that Elway doesn't want him back or this would not have dragged on for so long.

[Hootie]

Then why aren't other QBs taking way less money than they are now? You want to blame Manning for it....but I don't see anyone else fucking doing it.
Tom Brady ... You know, cuz he's got a net worth higher than Peyton and he'll be on the Pats payroll forever ... but he's a true team player.

[dirk digler]

What would him taking less have done for that team? His problem is simple. No one wants to play with him.

Fair point but maybe if he took a little less it might have shown other players he was a team guy.

[dirk digler]

This is just Elway's way of getting rid of Manning without looking like the bad guy. It's obvious that Elway doesn't want him back or this would not have dragged on for so long.

I totally agree.

[Rausch]

Peyton isn't winning anything else with or without taking a paycut. He's washed up now.

Wow.

We do agree on something...

[Al Bundy]

You don't pay a guy for what he did for you. You pay him for what he will do for you.

Kobe's done. Stick a fork in him. He'll put up some nice stats from time to time but he's no longer the guy you build a team around.

Exactly... Kobe didn't deserve that last contract. I would have been pissed off if that had been my team giving a broken old player that money. Bottom line, if Manning wants to have another shot at a title, take a pay cut. If he wants the money then have at it.

[Jimmya]

There will be some team that picks him up in a quick minute if he is released.

[Hootie]

There will be some team that picks him up in a quick minute if he is released.
He's not eligible for waivers ... He gets to choose his team

[Jimmya]

I'd bet he would choose a team that's on Denver's schedule.

[Chiefnj2]

I'd like to see Manning in Buffalo for a year.

[Discuss Thrower]

Then why aren't other QBs taking way less money than they are now? You want to blame Manning for it....but I don't see anyone else fucking doing it.
Never said it's solely a Manning thing.

Flacco, Cutler and Alex Smith were able to get way over what they deserve because "that's the market" and it shows me a lot about how they prioritize money over winning.

[DaneMcCloud]

As I suggested last week, Manning's best destination would the be Rams. Solid, if not spectacular defense, good offensive line, running backs and receivers in place. I could see him signing a two year deal, then call it quits.

But how much would it suck if Manning, who rebuffed the Chiefs advances, only to sign with Denver and lead them to a Super Bowl, signed with St. Louis and took them to a Super Bowl?

[Hootie]

So every great QB should just take $6M a year and be team players. Got it.

[Discuss Thrower]

As I suggested last week, Manning's best destination would the be Rams. Solid, if not spectacular defense, good offensive line, running backs and receivers in place. I could see him signing a two year deal, then call it quits.

But how much would it suck if Manning, who rebuffed the Chiefs advances, only to sign with Denver and lead them to a Super Bowl, signed with St. Louis and took them to a Super Bowl?
Meh. It would sting a lot more if they legitimately had a chance to get Manning for 2012. But Pioli's existence put the kibosh on that.

Rams fans are already a bunch of twats anyway so it'd really be no different than now. They're all still living in 1999 anytime you discuss the merits of which Missouri team is better.

[Rausch]

So every great QB should just take $6M a year and be team players. Got it.

Yes.

That's exactly what I meant before I said anything and also what everyone else on this site thinks...

[thabear04]

I can see Manning going with the jets or Bucs if he does get let go.

[ThaVirus]

I'd like to see Manning in Buffalo for a year.


As far as personnel goes, Buffalo would be his best bet. They've got a championship level defense and Sammy Watkins, CJ Spiller would wreck shit with Manning. But they play in frigid NY and those winds are a bitch in December/January.

Cleveland is just a shithole.

St Louis or Houston would probably be better options. St Louis has the better defense but they play in a tougher division. Houston has better skill position guys and their division is extremely weak.

[vailpass]

Denver should honestly just move on. The longer you take to find his replacement (and that includes the throwaway year they'll be racking up by letting Manning play one more time) the longer the foundation you've built either leaves for more money elsewhere or gets too old or loses out on their usefulness.

Like, when Manning leaves next year, are they going to play grabass with Osweiler? Are they going to look for an Alex Smith-type free agent that's loitering around? They'll probably draft a guy, too, but that always takes time.

Start that process now.

Yep.

[The Franchise]

I can see Manning going with the jets or Bucs if he does get let go.

lolwut?

[Brian Jones]

Tom Brady's contract is fine. It's fringe, but it's fine.

If Tom Brady restructured for league minimum, it's blatant cheating. Blatant.

I can guarantee Tom will make tens of millions of dollars on the Patriots payroll after his career is over.

ladies and gentlemen.....this person is furious beyond comprehension.

[The Franchise]

As far as personnel goes, Buffalo would be his best bet. They've got a championship level defense and Sammy Watkins, CJ Spiller would wreck shit with Manning. But they play in frigid NY and those winds are a bitch in December/January.

Cleveland is just a shithole.

St Louis or Houston would probably be better options. St Louis has the better defense but they play in a tougher division. Houston has better skill position guys and their division is extremely weak.

Spiller is a FA.

[ThaVirus]

Spiller is a FA.


He's coming off injury, has been a bit of a disappointment overall.. I don't think he'll be able to command any type of mega contract.

There's a good chance he'd stick around for a bit if Manning rolled into town.

[Hootie]

if any top 5 QB restructured and took league minimum that would be cheating

I don't care if it's Brady, Manning, Brees, etc

[ping2000]

Fuck Denver. That is all.

[Graystoke]

This is just Elway's way of getting rid of Manning without looking like the bad guy. It's obvious that Elway doesn't want him back or this would not have dragged on for so long.

This.
It's just the beginning of the end of the Manning Era in Denver.
I think we can all be happy about that.

[Discuss Thrower]

if any top 5 QB restructured and took league minimum that would be cheating

I don't care if it's Brady, Manning, Brees, etc
Don't think you know what that word means..

[-King-]

if any top 5 QB restructured and took league minimum that would be cheating

I don't care if it's Brady, Manning, Brees, etc

LOL

[Hootie]

LOL

so if Kevin Durant went to the Cavs when his contract expired for the veteran minimum, you think that isn't cheating?

If Tom cut his salary down to vet min, that's not cheating?

you truly believe that?

[penguinz]

if any top 5 QB restructured and took league minimum that would be cheating

I don't care if it's Brady, Manning, Brees, etcJust when everyone thinks you reached the highest level of ignorance you raise the bar even higher.

[Discuss Thrower]

so if Kevin Durant went to the Cavs when his contract expired for the veteran minimum, you think that isn't cheating?

If Tom cut his salary down to vet min, that's not cheating?

you truly believe that?
No.

[Hootie]

are you guys really this dense?

you really think a QB who should be making $20M ... restructures ... takes $1M instead

that's not a form of cheating?

is that what you guys are implying?

Specifically Tom Brady. If he took $1M a year for the rest of his career ... and then ended up getting payments from New England after his career for a 25 year period (what the Packers offered Favre to stay retired) ... you don't think that's circumventing the salary cap?

Really?

Really?

[-King-]

so if Kevin Durant went to the Cavs when his contract expired for the veteran minimum, you think that isn't cheating?

If Tom cut his salary down to vet min, that's not cheating?

you truly believe that?

How is it cheating? Any player can lower their salary if they want to. If Durant did that, LeBron could do it too, Melo could do it too. How is it cheating if it's a legal option available to every single player?

[Hootie]

Wow. Apparently you guys didn't read Rain Man's post earlier where Elway was on the cap for league minimum in '97 and '98.

It's circumventing the salary cap.

Plain and simple.

It's cheating.

Brady makes $10M a year. That's fringe. I wouldn't call it cheating, but knowing that HE IS GOING TO GET PAID AFTER HIS CAREER BY NEW ENGLAND, it is a form of salary cap circumvention.

$10M is ok, though. I can accept that. If guys like Peyton or Tom or Aaron start playing for $5M or less it's cheating.

[-King-]

are you guys really this dense?

you really think a QB who should be making $20M ... restructures ... takes $1M instead

that's not a form of cheating?

is that what you guys are implying?

Specifically Tom Brady. If he took $1M a year for the rest of his career ... and then ended up getting payments from New England after his career for a 25 year period (what the Packers offered Favre to stay retired) ... you don't think that's circumventing the salary cap?

Really?

Really?
Can you link us to the story about the Patriots paying Brady after he retires? Or are you just starting to start rumors.

BTW, I've heard that the Colts AND the Broncos will pay Manning after he retires. And Goodell will donate 25% of his yearly salary to him also. CHEATING! CHEATING!

[Hootie]

How is it cheating? Any player can lower their salary if they want to. If Durant did that, LeBron could do it too, Melo could do it too. How is it cheating if it's a legal option available to every single player?

because it's salary cap circumvention, plain and simple

if Tom Brady played for $1M a year and then retired in 2017 ... and then in 2018 he was hired by the team as a "consultant", you'd be ok with that?!

haha

[Discuss Thrower]

are you guys really this dense?

you really think a QB who should be making $20M ... restructures ... takes $1M instead

that's not a form of cheating?

is that what you guys are implying?

Specifically Tom Brady. If he took $1M a year for the rest of his career ... and then ended up getting payments from New England after his career for a 25 year period (what the Packers offered Favre to stay retired) ... you don't think that's circumventing the salary cap?

Really?

Really?
Circumventing the cap is cheating.

A player chosing to take a contract under market value is the choice of that player and is not cheating.

[Al Bundy]

Wow. Apparently you guys didn't read Rain Man's post earlier where Elway was on the cap for league minimum in '97 and '98.

It's circumventing the salary cap.

Plain and simple.

It's cheating.

Brady makes $10M a year. That's fringe. I wouldn't call it cheating, but knowing that HE IS GOING TO GET PAID AFTER HIS CAREER BY NEW ENGLAND, it is a form of salary cap circumvention.

$10M is ok, though. I can accept that. If guys like Peyton or Tom or Aaron start playing for $5M or less it's cheating.

You sure are confident in this....

[dirk digler]

How is it cheating? Any player can lower their salary if they want to. If Durant did that, LeBron could do it too, Melo could do it too. How is it cheating if it's a legal option available to every single player?

Yep.

[Just Passin' By]

Just when everyone thinks you reached the highest level of ignorance you raise the bar even higher.

It's Hootie. There's no limit to the stupidity.

[Hootie]

it's common sense

Brady is a Boston sports icon. He'll be on the payroll until the day he dies. COMMON SENSE.

Brett Favre was offered $2M a year for 25 years to be a Green Bay consultant to stay retired and not try and come back the first time around ...

Tom Brady will be on the NE payroll for a long, long, long time. That's common sense. That's why his "team friendly" deals mean jack shit. He knows he's taken care of by Bobby Kraft for as long as they're both alive.

[-King-]

because it's salary cap circumvention, plain and simple

if Tom Brady played for $1M a year and then retired in 2017 ... and then in 2018 he was hired by the team as a "consultant", you'd be ok with that?!

haha

Does he get paid $20mil to be a consultant in your scenario? Because if not, then how are they still circumventing the cap by not paying him $20mil in 2017?

[Hootie]

an elite QB like Peyton Manning playing for anything less than $10M is ridiculous

and if you don't think under the table, handshake deals occur you're all a bunch of naive fucking morons

[-King-]

I just hope Hali doesn't restructure this year. I won't be able to live down being called the Kansas City Cheats.

[Mile High Mania]

Who knows what's really being said and what will happen.

Agents say whatever they have to say. Honestly, Peyton has such a small window at this point, playing elswhere for 1, maybe 2 seasons just to earn another $8M (let's say) is kinda pointless. Those teams mentioned previously - he won't fare any better there than he will in Denver. Let him go to CLE, STL or BUF... have at it.

I believe it will get done one way or another, he'll have 1 more year in Denver. And, if the crazy happens and they walk from him, so be it.

[The Franchise]

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/3204840swsw.gif

[Hootie]

because if Tom signs a ridiculously team friendly contract until 2018 ... retires ... and immediately starts making millions of dollars as a team employee ... yeah, you're right ... no cheating

[Just Passin' By]

I just hope Hali doesn't restructure this year. I won't be able to live down being called the Kansas City Cheats.

LMAO

[Discuss Thrower]

an elite QB like Peyton Manning playing for anything less than $10M is ridiculous

and if you don't think under the table, handshake deals occur you're all a bunch of naive fucking morons
That's a problem that other franchises have the right to call into question. Perhaps even the union too.

But unless you prove that there's a wink and a nod agreement to hand players money after they've officially retired then it's not cheating.

Further, you're also insinuating that any player that transitions to coaching for their team is cheating as well.

[BigMeatballDave]

Wow. Apparently you guys didn't read Rain Man's post earlier where Elway was on the cap for league minimum in '97 and '98.

It's circumventing the salary cap.

Plain and simple.

It's cheating.

Brady makes $10M a year. That's fringe. I wouldn't call it cheating, but knowing that HE IS GOING TO GET PAID AFTER HIS CAREER BY NEW ENGLAND, it is a form of salary cap circumvention.

$10M is ok, though. I can accept that. If guys like Peyton or Tom or Aaron start playing for $5M or less it's cheating.

LMAO

[Hootie]

so, in your opinion, it was ok for Elway to play at league minimum in '97 and '98 and later be employed by the team ...

so, if Brady starts making $5M a year to be a "consultant" with the Pats after his playing career ends ... that's super ok, right?!

Not shady at all, correct?

[Mile High Mania]

so, in your opinion, it was ok for Elway to play at league minimum in '97 and '98 and later be employed by the team ...

so, if Brady starts making $5M a year to be a "consultant" with the Pats after his playing career ends ... that's super ok, right?!

Not shady at all, correct?

I don't recall all the specifics behind the $29M in deferred payments to Elway and Davis (to funnel money over to the stadium build). But, where's the data points on his salary was at the league minimum those years?

[Coochie liquor]

You don't pay a guy for what he did for you. You pay him for what he will do for you.

Kobe's done. Stick a fork in him. He'll put up some nice stats from time to time but he's no longer the guy you build a team around.

This!

[Hootie]

I have no idea, I was just quoting Rain Man. I wasn't old enough to understand (nor care) about that shit back in the day.

but either way

I hated the whole 'Payton and Malone' to play with the Lakers to form a dream team shit (glad the Pistons won that) and I don't think QB's like Tom Brady who should be paid higher than Joe Flacco should be allowed to play for $10M a year. And if so, they shouldn't be allowed to be employed by that team after their careers are over.

because if Bobby Kraft is going to pay Brady to be a team employee after Brady calls it quits ... all that tells me is his "team friendly" deals were a bunch of cheating bullshit.

[Hootie]

but, at least in 5 years, when Brady is a "team ambassador" for the Patriots, and I'm on account #9 at ChiefsPlanet.com, I'll be able to say, "gee...told you so."

[MotherfuckerJones]

an elite QB like Peyton Manning playing for anything less than $10M is ridiculous

and if you don't think under the table, handshake deals occur you're all a bunch of naive ****ing morons

At this point in his career, im sure money isn't an issue.

[dirk digler]

I have no idea, I was just quoting Rain Man. I wasn't old enough to understand (nor care) about that shit back in the day.

but either way

I hated the whole 'Payton and Malone' to play with the Lakers to form a dream team shit (glad the Pistons won that) and I don't think QB's like Tom Brady who should be paid higher than Joe Flacco should be allowed to play for $10M a year. And if so, they shouldn't be allowed to be employed by that team after their careers are over.

because if Bobby Kraft is going to pay Brady to be a team employee after Brady calls it quits ... all that tells me is his "team friendly" deals were a bunch of cheating bullshit.

It depends on the situation though. I agree with you about giving a team friendly deal and then being hired as a "team employee". That is shady.

But if a player is at the end of his career and need him to take a paycut because he is old and to help out the team get other players I have no problem with that. I also have zero problem with any aging player taking chump change to try to win a championship before they retire. I would do the same thing.

[Hootie]

just because money isn't an issue doesn't mean you shouldn't be trying to get every dollar you can

teams will have no issue cutting your ass the second you aren't worth the contract

why would any player do any team a favor? Insane.

[Discuss Thrower]

just because money isn't an issue doesn't mean you shouldn't be trying to get every dollar you can

teams will have no issue cutting your ass the second you aren't worth the contract

why would any player do any team a favor? Insane.

You do a team a favor to win more games once you've gotten your big payday almost a decade ago.

At some point cementing your legacy as one of the greatest players ever might mean more than being able to afford a new Rolls or Bentley to keep at your Southern California vacation home.

[Hootie]

Tom Brady has a higher net worth than Peyton Manning.

It's not on ANY player to ever take less than what they are worth. If you're trying to say Peyton Manning isn't a team player because he won't take a pay cut you're a total moron.

[Hootie]

but hey, when Tom Brady is a paid ambassador for the Patriots in 5 years, you know I'll be the first one to say, "welp...told ya so."

[Jim Lahey]

At this point in his career, im sure money isn't an issue.

It's not..but apparently asking a 39 year old noodle armed douche to take less money to support the all star team that captain noodle loves to dropkick in the balls every January is frowned upon.

Money isn't an issue for either Brady or Manning. Only difference is one guy craves winning and the other craves numbers.

[Discuss Thrower]

but hey, when Tom Brady is a paid ambassador for the Patriots in 5 years, you know I'll be the first one to say, "welp...told ya so."
If the other 31 franchises say nothing about it then it's clearly not a problem.

[The Franchise]

It's not..but apparently asking a 39 year old noodle armed douche to take less money to support the all star team that captain noodle loves to dropkick in the balls every January is frowned upon.

Money isn't an issue for either Brady or Manning. Only difference is one guy craves winning and the other craves numbers.

Yeah....because PM doesn't want to win. :rolleyes:

[Hootie]

Come on, Pest ...

It's ChiefsPlanet.

Tom is a WINNER and Peyton is a FRAUD who has just had PRO BOWL team after PRO BOWL team that he always costs championships due to his terrible play at QB year after year.

Tom is the greatest team player ever because he takes less money, has a higher net worth than Peyton, and will be employed the rest of his life by the Patriots taking money from the Kraft's until the day he dies...and then his children will probably keep getting payments as well.

but yep, Brady ... what a team first guy!

[dirk digler]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/19/elway-peyton-hasnt-told-me-definitively-but-i-believe-hell-be-back/

Broncos front office boss John Elway doesn’t know for sure who his quarterback will be this season. But he expects that it will be Peyton Manning (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1493/peyton-manning).

“We’re hopeful Peyton comes back,” Elway said at the Scouting Combine. “We want him back. I said after the season we wanted him back and we still want him back. He has not given me a definitive answer exactly what he wants to do, but we’re hopeful he’s going to come back.”

Elway said that he spoke to Manning and that Manning is feeling better now physically than he was when the season ended. What Elway would not say is whether he has also asked Manning to consider taking a pay cut to give the Broncos more salary cap space.

“I don’t like to get into anyone’s contract or discuss anything about contracts, but just know that as I said, I believe he’ll be back and I believe he’ll be our quarterback next year,” Elway said.

Elway said he’d like to see Manning add a second Super Bowl ring to his legacy.

“There’s not much he can add to his legacy, but I do think the one thing he can add is another Super Bowl championship,” Elway said. “I told him, ‘You don’t need to throw for another yard and you don’t need to throw for another touchdown pass because your legacy is going to be one of the all-time greats, as it is, as we sit here now.’ But where he can really add to his legacy is to win another Super Bowl.”

[penguinz]

but hey, when Tom Brady is a paid ambassador for the Patriots in 5 years, you know I'll be the first one to say, "welp...told ya so."Why do you even care? If anything you should be pissed at the team you follow for not doing the same sort of things to manage the cap.

[Jim Lahey]

Yeah....because PM doesn't want to win. :rolleyes:

Not as bad as Brady does

[ping2000]

Anything the Broncos do is cheating, because they are evil and the spawn of Satan. Fuck Denver, fuck them back to hell!

[The Franchise]

Not as bad as Brady does

Bullshit.

[wazu]

I can't find any online trace of any of the info in the OP.

[Dave Lane]

father time caught up to him

can't cheat it ... he's done, we all saw that

the people who remember him for what he is now rather than what he was in his prime are morons

In his prime Manning was pretty darned good. Now he's washed up ass. Take the money Peyton you have nothing else to offer anyway.

[MagicHef]

In his prime Manning was pretty darned good. Now he's washed up ass. Take the money Peyton you have nothing else to offer anyway.

LMAO

He threw 39 TDs this season.

[Chiefnj2]

I'm fine with Denver trying to ride Manning a few more years.

[BossChief]

I'd like to see Manning in Buffalo for a year.
That's his second best option behind the Rams.

Dome
defense
Good OL
A few weapons

In Buffalo, his arm strength would be a big problem
just because money isn't an issue doesn't mean you shouldn't be trying to get every dollar you can

teams will have no issue cutting your ass the second you aren't worth the contract

why would any player do any team a favor? Insane.

Because it's obvious that the team needs more around him to win it all.

He has made a lot of money already...you would think that he would do whatever it takes to win another title before it's all over.

This whole thing paints him as a guy that cares more about individual stats and money than competing for a title.

[BigMeatballDave]

LMAO

He threw 39 TDs this season.

Evidently, you missed his last game...

[MagicHef]

Evidently, you missed his last game...

Good thing Dorsey didn't miss Alex's last game of 2012.

[Lonewolf Ed]

this is ****ing bullshit, and I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco

it's not a QB's job to TAKE LESS MONEY to do ANYTHING

ever

Just because Tom Brady has a lifetime contract with New England that will pay him millions of dollars per year every year he's alive to just be Tom Brady, Boston hero, doesn't mean he's a great guy

I don't think ANY ATHLETE, not even Kobe Bryant (who I ****ing hate) should ever take a paycut to "get players signed."

**** that.


Is the owner taking a paycut?

No ****ing way would I ever take a paycut for ANY ****ing reason if I'm worth that much money to my team, like Peyton is.

It's a ridiculous notion.

Well, many football contracts are ridiculous from the start. I don't feel sorry for Peyton if he can't make as much with Denver now.

[BigMeatballDave]

Good thing Dorsey didn't miss Alex's last game of 2012.

:spock:

Deflection attempt, I suspect.

[RealSNR]

LMAO

He threw 39 TDs this season.

And he'll probably throw 30+ next year too if he plays.

The goal isn't to throw as many TDs as you can in the regular season. You saw how weak-armed and shitty he was at the end of the season and in the playoffs

[MagicHef]

:spock:

Deflection attempt, I suspect.

No, simply pointing out that judging a player by a single game is silly. Or, do you think Dorsey made the right move in giving Alex his contract? He played very well in his last game of 2013 (I just now realize that I accidentally wrote 2012 in my previous post. That was probably confusing.).

[RunKC]

LMAO

He threw 39 TDs this season.

Your SB window was closed by the Seahawks

[Color Red]

Denver should honestly just move on. The longer you take to find his replacement (and that includes the throwaway year they'll be racking up by letting Manning play one more time) the longer the foundation you've built either leaves for more money elsewhere or gets too old or loses out on their usefulness.

Like, when Manning leaves next year, are they going to play grabass with Osweiler? Are they going to look for an Alex Smith-type free agent that's loitering around? They'll probably draft a guy, too, but that always takes time.

Start that process now.

I tend to agree with this, but being KC fan hopeless exiled in Bronco country, I am glad to see the "pfffffft" away ultimate competitiveness. They are stuck in the John Elway syndrome. (But of course they won the division last year..)

[MagicHef]

And he'll probably throw 30+ next year too if he plays.

The goal isn't to throw as many TDs as you can in the regular season. You saw how weak-armed and shitty he was at the end of the season and in the playoffs

Yes, I saw how poorly he played after being injured.

[ThaVirus]

No, simply pointing out that judging a player by a single game is silly. Or, do you think Dorsey made the right move in giving Alex his contract? He played very well in his last game of 2013 (I just now realize that I accidentally wrote 2012 in my previous post. That was probably confusing.).


Fuck.

That really was worst case scenario for us, too. Alex plays the game of his career and we still fucking lose in the playoffs.

Now we're stuck with this shithead and his undeservedly exorbitant contract.

Fuckity fuckballs!

[OnTheWarpath15]

If this is true, the Denver front office has gone full retard.

How do you ask a guy that's mostly responsible for their improvement over the last 3 years to take a pay cut when they have $30M of cap space at the moment?

They can sign pretty much whoever they want even if Manning stays at his current salary.

[The Franchise]

If this is true, the Denver front office has gone full retard.

How do you ask a guy that's mostly responsible for their improvement over the last 3 years to take a pay cut when they have $30M of cap space at the moment?

They can sign pretty much whoever they want even if Manning stays at his current salary.

Because, as Dane said, they really don't want him there....but they don't want to be the bad guy.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Because, as Dane said, they really don't want him there....but they don't want to be the bad guy.

IMO, they look more foolish asking him to take a pay cut than just saying, "thanks but no thanks."

If they were up against the cap, I could see that decision making sense.

With a Brinks truck full of money to play with, you look foolish.

[notorious]

Why don't we start paying our guys under the table?


Oh, that's right, we have never had a QB that's worth it.

[MahiMike]

I think Brady isn't even top 10 moneywise. But he's top dog when it comes to SB rings!

If Manning doesn't take a pay cut, he's shooting himself in the foot.

I'd love to see him try the open market and not even get picked up. Be funny as hell.

[saphojunkie]

let me just argue this on Kobe's behalf since I'm a well known Kobe hater on this board:

Anyone who suggests Kobe was greedy and stubborn for not accepting his 2 year $48M contract is a fucking absolute moron

Kobe deserves a max contract just like Peyton deserves to be one of the highest paid QB's ... and taking less money is a ridiculous concept. So ridiculous.

and Tom Brady will be on the Patriots payroll for the rest of his life.

It's like you are incapable of factoring time, age, and circumstance.

Kobe was not worth 48 million. Period. PERIOD. You don't pay an aging superstar like that, because guess what? They get injured. Stupid contract is still stupid.

And I pray they cave to Manning and pay him. Can't wait to see the wheels completely fall off.

[saphojunkie]

IMO, they look more foolish asking him to take a pay cut than just saying, "thanks but no thanks."

If they were up against the cap, I could see that decision making sense.

With a Brinks truck full of money to play with, you look foolish.

He's not worth it anymore, because he can't win with inexpensive teammates. He needs a team around him. Period.

[OnTheWarpath15]

He's not worth it anymore, because he can't win with inexpensive teammates. He needs a team around him. Period.

Interesting.

One of the greatest QB's of my generation isn't worth $19.2M because he "can't win" with inexpensive teammates. Meanwhile, said QB has been to the playoffs all three years in Denver and to the SB once.

Meanwhile in KC, the QB who has won ONE playoff game in 10 years - who really can't win with expensive teammates, is getting paid $17M and people are fine with it.

"That's the going rate for QB's" /CP

Holy fuck this place.

[Mr. Laz]

taking less money isn't cheating

taking under-the-table money is cheating


the 2 aren't necessarily linked

[Mr. Laz]

Interesting.

One of the greatest QB's of my generation isn't worth $19.2M because he "can't win" with inexpensive teammates. Meanwhile, said QB has been to the playoffs all three years in Denver and to the SB once.

Meanwhile in KC, the QB who has won ONE playoff game in 10 years - who really can't win with expensive teammates, is getting paid $17M and people are fine with it.

"That's the going rate for QB's" /CP

Holy fuck this place.

you just can't stop, it's like some kind of OCD thing


:shake:

[Discuss Thrower]

you just can't stop, it's like some kind of OCD thing


:shake:
What about what OTWP said is wrong?

[OnTheWarpath15]

you just can't stop, it's like some kind of OCD thing


:shake:

Is anything I said incorrect?

Just pointing out more hypocrisy around here.

[Hootie]

Interesting.

One of the greatest QB's of my generation isn't worth $19.2M because he "can't win" with inexpensive teammates. Meanwhile, said QB has been to the playoffs all three years in Denver and to the SB once.

Meanwhile in KC, the QB who has won ONE playoff game in 10 years - who really can't win with expensive teammates, is getting paid $17M and people are fine with it.

"That's the going rate for QB's" /CP

Holy fuck this place.
It's insane. People hate Manning so much on this board it doesn't matter what he does.

[Mr. Laz]

What about what OTWP said is wrong?
endlessly bitching/saying the same thing over and over again

thread about LBs .......... Alex Smith
thread about Denver's QB .......... Alex Smith
thread about punters ....... Alex Smith
thread about ebola ........ Alex Smith

EVERYONE knows already, you stupid fucking moron.

just shut fuck up


JFC

[LoneWolf]

if any top 5 QB restructured and took league minimum that would be cheating

I don't care if it's Brady, Manning, Brees, etc

Why would that be cheating?

[RealSNR]

Yes, I saw how poorly he played after being injured.


That's like blaming his receding hairline on being injured.

He's old. He doesn't have the season-long stamina he used to. That much should be obvious to you

[OnTheWarpath15]

It's insane. People hate Manning so much on this board it doesn't matter what he does.

Hypocrites.

[The Franchise]

Hypocrites.

Yep.

[BigCatDaddy]

It's insane. People hate Manning so much on this board it doesn't matter what he does.

Meh. Jordan only played for 3-4 million a season most of his career to provide himself with better talent.

[Bowser]

Does any QB? Has there been a QB that took a team friendly deal so that the team could sign better players?

Elway did, but that was after he reaped that windfall from selling his car dealerships (80 million? Is that right?) and restructured down to make the league minimum. That might have been around the time Denver got busted for violating the cap in some fashion, as well.

Well, I guess we can put Knowmo's statement of Brock Osweiller being the best QB in his class up for a test sooner rather than later now?

[Bowser]

And now that I think of it, didn't Brady just re-do his deal for a team friendly number? 3 years, 27 million, or somesuch? All guaranteed, I'm assuming...

[Discuss Thrower]

endlessly bitching/saying the same thing over and over again

thread about LBs .......... Alex Smith
thread about Denver's QB .......... Alex Smith
thread about punters ....... Alex Smith
thread about ebola ........ Alex Smith

EVERYONE knows already, you stupid fucking moron.

just shut fuck up


JFC
Doesn't address the point no one here is saying the same thing about Smith taking a pay cut when the exact same reason to do so applies to Manning.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Doesn't address the point no one here is saying the same thing about Smith taking a pay cut when the exact same reason to do so applies to Manning.

Christ, the Niner trolls and True Fans tried desperately to convince us Alex was a team player, and would take less money to help the organization.

Then he signs an extension for $2M less per season than the best QB of the last 15 years.

LMAO

[TEX]

It's insane. People hate Manning so much on this board it doesn't matter what he does.

Yeah, so...:shrug:

[Bowser]

Chiefs fans hate QUARTERBACKS. Pro Bowl, All Pro, All World, Hall of Fame.....it doesn't matter. They're all pieces of shit. It's amazing.

[Bowser]

Christ, the Niner trolls and True Fans tried desperately to convince us Alex was a team player, and would take less money to help the organization.

Then he signs an extension for $2M less per season than the best QB of the last 15 years.

LMAO

BUT HE DOESN'T THROW PICKS. AND STUFF.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Chiefs fans hate other QUARTERBACKS. Pro Bowl, All Pro, All World, Hall of Fame.....it doesn't matter. They're all pieces of shit. It's amazing.

FYP, because they defend the shitty QB's wearing red and yellow to the death.

[BossChief]

Here's my madden scenario

Cut Alex and designate him a June first cut. That saves us 8.4 million against this years cap. It would also give us 7.2 in dead money next year.
Cut/trade Daniel. That saves us 3.8 million against this years cap.
Cut Joe Mays that's another 2.7
Cut/re-sign Hali to a deal averaging 4m with a low first year cap number. That saves us 6m minimum. He has publicly stated he is open to this.

That right there is enough to go from our current QB situation to having a shell of Peyton Manning as our QB.

Past those moves, you redo/cut Bowe, Fasano and Devito and give their money to Houston.

Take what's left and get Hudson locked up to a deal with a low first year cap number but a big signing bonus. We also have last years rollover money and the savings from cutting Avery and Jenkins to factor into all of this. That's another 7 or 8 million.

Draft DGB in the first and a bunch of OL and defensive players after that.

I know, I know. But I love madden.

[BossChief]

In that scenario, we basically lose NOTHING and go from Alex Smith to a broke dick Manning.

I'm fine with that.

[cwhocares]

Don't candy coat it. Tell us how you REALLY feel.:D:Dthis is ****ing bullshit, and I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco

it's not a QB's job to TAKE LESS MONEY to do ANYTHING

ever

Just because Tom Brady has a lifetime contract with New England that will pay him millions of dollars per year every year he's alive to just be Tom Brady, Boston hero, doesn't mean he's a great guy

I don't think ANY ATHLETE, not even Kobe Bryant (who I ****ing hate) should ever take a paycut to "get players signed."

**** that.


Is the owner taking a paycut?

No ****ing way would I ever take a paycut for ANY ****ing reason if I'm worth that much money to my team, like Peyton is.

It's a ridiculous notion.

[Bowser]

FYP, because they defend the shitty QB's wearing red and yellow to the death.

Valid.

Who was it on here saying he hated Aaron Rodgers? Sacc?

[Discuss Thrower]

Christ, the Niner trolls and True Fans tried desperately to convince us Alex was a team player, and would take less money to help the organization.

Then he signs an extension for $2M less per season than the best QB of the last 15 years.

LMAO
If only I'd bookmarked those types of posts to flash to these Smith homers.

Yeah, great "team friendly" contract there. Have fun with Eric Kush at center and Dee Ford and a geriatric Tamba Hali as the only pass rushers.

God knows we won't be reading about how Alex can't play with a young offensive line and how the defense isn't good enough to keep games under 35 points this time next year.

[TimBone]

Hootie has been awful in this thread.

[CapsLockKey]

Tom Brady could play for free and still make more than Manning. His wife is worth more than him.

[Simply Red]

I was going to say - Could the Chiefs sign him?

But then (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mJZB2v-og)I remembered!

[TimBone]

but, at least in 5 years, when Brady is a "team ambassador" for the Patriots, and I'm on account #9 at ChiefsPlanet.com, I'll be able to say, "gee...told you so."

but hey, when Tom Brady is a paid ambassador for the Patriots in 5 years, you know I'll be the first one to say, "welp...told ya so."
I don't picture you saying gee or welp.

[O.city]

Interesting.

One of the greatest QB's of my generation isn't worth $19.2M because he "can't win" with inexpensive teammates. Meanwhile, said QB has been to the playoffs all three years in Denver and to the SB once.

Meanwhile in KC, the QB who has won ONE playoff game in 10 years - who really can't win with expensive teammates, is getting paid $17M and people are fine with it.

"That's the going rate for QB's" /CP

Holy **** this place.

No one is "fine" with it.

Manning didn't win the superbowl, which as you yourself has suggested, is all that matters And appears to not be able to carry a team anymore, without high level play around him.

what he's done in the past, isn't really relevant now, because apparently he isn't that guy anymore.

So, denver basically doesn't believe he can win without superior talent or they don't want him anyway

[dirk digler]

If this is true, the Denver front office has gone full retard.

How do you ask a guy that's mostly responsible for their improvement over the last 3 years to take a pay cut when they have $30M of cap space at the moment?

They can sign pretty much whoever they want even if Manning stays at his current salary.

From what I read today they are going to have around $26 million free with 15 FA's (8 of them starters). Thomas is going to take half of that so they are going to be left with $13-14 million to spend on 14 players and draft picks. They are in a better position than the Chiefs are but are going to have to fill quite a bit of holes.

[Bowser]

Clutch Gene is the new Rick Roll.

[BossChief]

Anybody that says the chiefs are in cap hell needs to look at 2016. The Chiefs only have 85 million on the books and 13 of that is for Bowe. Even after you account for Poe, Houston and Hudson...we are still like 30-40 under the cap.

I expect Dorsey to make a lot of moves in the next couple weeks.

[Hootie]

Meh. Jordan only played for 3-4 million a season most of his career to provide himself with better talent.
That is simply not fucking true.

[Marcellus]

Christ, the Niner trolls and True Fans tried desperately to convince us Alex was a team player, and would take less money to help the organization.

Then he signs an extension for $2M less per season than the best QB of the last 15 years.

LMAO

Neither player is worth what they are making or scheduled to make, but its what the market is at. Period.

Its been discussed over and over and over, a veteran starting QB on any multi year deal is going to make $15MM -17MM per.

Alex is only paid in top the 10 because he has one of the most recent deals. By the time he reaches year 3 or 4 (if he does) he will be middle of the pack.

There was talk Hoyer was going to get a deal close to Alex's this offseason before he got benched. Its the market for a QB.

But you are smart, you know all this.

[Just Passin' By]

Doesn't address the point no one here is saying the same thing about Smith taking a pay cut when the exact same reason to do so applies to Manning.

That's probably because the claim that the exact same reason applies isn't true.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Anybody that says the chiefs are in cap hell needs to look at 2016. The Chiefs only have 85 million on the books and 13 of that is for Bowe. Even after you account for Poe, Houston and Hudson...we are still like 30-40 under the cap.

I expect Dorsey to make a lot of moves in the next couple weeks.

They only have $85M on the books in 2016 because around 20 players become UFA's.

They have to either resign them, or their replacements.

[Marcellus]

I have said all along Denver doesn't really want Manning back, they would rather move on and spend the $ elsewhere and see where they are with BO.

Manning isn't winning them a SB and they know it. Its pissing money away and they are generally a smart franchise.

[dirk digler]

Anybody that says the chiefs are in cap hell needs to look at 2016. The Chiefs only have 85 million on the books and 13 of that is for Bowe. Even after you account for Poe, Houston and Hudson...we are still like 30-40 under the cap.

I expect Dorsey to make a lot of moves in the next couple weeks.

That some good news at least.

[Discuss Thrower]

That's probably because the claim that the exact same reason applies isn't true.
Manning needs help around him to get to the Super Bowl. Smith needs help for the same. Help requires cap space. That would be easier if both guys had cheaper deals.

[Hootie]

In fact, that post about MJ was so criminally stupid I'll go ahead and post the following:

In '92/93 (the last year of the 3 peat before the first retirement), MJ made $3.25M when salary caps were around $12M and he was the 5th highest paid player in the NBA behind 3 Celtics and Hot Rod Williams (Bird made $7M, everyone else in the $3M's)...

When he came back, his first full season, he finished his contract at $3.8M and then signed for two 1 year contracts:

in 1997, he signed for $30M
in 1998, he signed for $33M

$33M / year back then is the equivalent, comparatively speaking, to a guy making about $100M/year today. The next two highest salaries were $20/M and $14/M.

Reinsdorf pretty much complained nonstop about how much he had to pay Jordan while the rest of the league benefited from Jordan being in the NBA.

What a ridiculous post. Jordan never took less. And why would he? He should've probably been paid even more.

[Bowser]

But he gave most of that money to the casinos and Barkley, meaning his salary was around 3 mil/yr

[Hootie]

and I look stupid because I'm against ELITE players taking bargain contracts because it circumvents the salary cap?

So a team that isn't fortunate enough to have Tom Brady has to pay an Alex Smith $7M more a year than the team with Tom Brady because Tom Brady took a "team friendly" contract because he knows he'll be getting paid from said team for the rest of his life?

No. I don't like it. And nobody should. Teams have to sink $25M into Joe Flacco while the Patriots, who already "help" themselves more than anyone, get Tom for $10M per year because EVERYONE with common sense knows he's on that payroll for life.

Sorry, that's cheating. You can't prove it's cheating now, it's impossible. But when he's on that payroll in 2020 you'll all get to think to yourselves (who am I kidding, no one will care, because none of you are smart enough to look that far ahead), "wow...those team friendly deals were just a way of circumventing the cap for promised deferments post retirement!"

But you guys are right, it's impossible to prove. I hope a few of you are still around when Brady is "consulting" or a "team ambassador" for the Patriots after his career is over.

[tredadda]

Tom Brady has a higher net worth than Peyton Manning.

It's not on ANY player to ever take less than what they are worth. If you're trying to say Peyton Manning isn't a team player because he won't take a pay cut you're a total moron.

When you no longer have the ability to take your team to the promised land yet are still paid like it knowing it hurts your team's chances of fielding a strong enough team to win it all is not being a team player.

[Discuss Thrower]

When you no longer have the ability to take your team to the promised land yet are still paid like it knowing it hurts your team's chances of fielding a strong enough team to win it all is not being a team player.
Succinctly said.

[Hootie]

But he gave most of that money to the casinos and Barkley, meaning his salary was around 3 mil/yr

True.

In fact, the reason the Bulls didn't go for 1 more in 1999 was because Krause convinced Reinsdorf not to pay those guys all of that money. Phil was going to want $10M, Jordan $35M, Pippen $20M (at least), Rodman $10M ...

Reinsdorf would have lost $50M+ rostering that team in 1999 ...

[BossChief]

They only have $85M on the books in 2016 because around 20 players become UFA's.

They have to either resign them, or their replacements.

Dropping Bowe off the books makes that number 72 million on the books. The salary cap will be above 150m and that gives us close to 80 million in cap space.

That gets Houston, Hudson, Poe and anybody else signed sealed and delivered if the deals are worked correctly.

[The Franchise]

When you no longer have the ability to take your team to the promised land yet are still paid like it knowing it hurts your team's chances of fielding a strong enough team to win it all is not being a team player.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/images/imported/KC/AlexContract.jpg

[CapsLockKey]

Anybody that says the chiefs are in cap hell needs to look at 2016. The Chiefs only have 85 million on the books and 13 of that is for Bowe. Even after you account for Poe, Houston and Hudson...we are still like 30-40 under the cap.

I expect Dorsey to make a lot of moves in the next couple weeks.
Thank you. Seems like most people only look at the cap in a one year vacuum. This is along the lines of people saying how Denver had all this cap room even after all those FA signings last year, now they are taking about Manning taking a pay cut just so they can sign guys.

[Hootie]

so ...

a player signs a contract, the team gets to cut him whenever they want and, "ooops. Oh well. Go fuck yourself!"

Peyton comes to Denver, gets them 3 division titles and an AFC Championship, throws 135 touchdown passes in 3 seasons, and now he's selfish for not taking a pay cut and playing out the contract he signed?

you guys are fucking stupid, that's just the end of it

There is no debate.

You guys, are, fucking stupid.

Maybe not at everything, but when it comes to this stuff...fucking stupid.

(there are a few exceptions, but not many)

[Hootie]

Kornheiser and Wilbon were on PTI yesterday and were mocking all of the morons who were demanding Peyton take a pay cut ...

who in the fuck are you guys to tell someone to take a pay cut?

Just because Tom and the Patriots are cheating his cap number by deferring payments to him long after he's retired doesn't mean a god damn thing.

[tredadda]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/images/imported/KC/AlexContract.jpg

Very few on here (of which I am not one of) think AS is worth what he is getting paid. Not sure why he keeps being brought up in a thread about Manning needing to take a paycut.

[Hootie]

and it's hilarious to me that the team that *allegedly* deflates footballs, illegally videotapes everything, and does everything possible to find an edge...it's hilarious to me that no one sees these Brady contracts as anything but downright hilarious.

He redoes his contract every fucking year to help the Patriots ... gee ... I wonder fucking why?

They can't go to big Vince and say, "hey man...take less money now and we'll get you later." Why? Because he's not the golden boy. He's not a guy who will take this shit to the grave.

Brady reworks his contract every fucking year.

Kraft, Belichick and Brady are fucking in bed with one another ... why am I the only one that sees this shit? His contract is nothing but a pawn ... why do you think his cap number is always so low? It's a cheater contract. That's all it is. Brady knows he's gonna make his money with the Pats after his career is over ... right now it's all about using his contract as a pawn to get as much other shit as they can possibly get without making everything super obvious.

What other fucking QB reworks their contract to get more and more team friendly every fucking year?

Give me a god damn break.

Bill Simmons couldn't even wrap his mind around this last one and thought, "omg the Pats are gonna cut Brady! That's the only thing that makes sense about this contract! omg!" I kid you not. Simmons looked at the contract and he could only conclude that it meant the Pats were going to cut Brady. This is real. It's archived. It's all over his twitter.

No, you numb fucking skull ... it's the BBK manipulating his contract to make it so the Pats can continuously circumvent the cap by using Brady's contract as a fucking pawn...

while teams like the Chiefs / Lions / Ravens / Packers / Saints / Cowboys AND ANY OTHER FUCKING TEAM WITH A QB THAT RECENTLY GOT PAID has to have 25% of their cap locked into 1 position ...

not the Patriots

because they fucking cheat

and only this one is impossible to prove ... since once Brady retires the Pats can just shovel him as much money as he wants / needs / whatever. Show up at a Pats even, hold a baby, take a picture ... here's a few million Tom, you ambassador, you!

[Simply Red]

Clutch Gene is the new Rick Roll.

For some reason I find it hysterical - not even sure why - maybe it's the catchy tune. It's a trolltastic video. I sure wish Clutch Gene posted here.

[eDave]

Very few on here (of which I am not one of) think AS is worth what he is getting paid. Not sure why he keeps being brought up in a thread about Manning needing to take a paycut.

I enjoyed the laugh.

[Rain Man]

Hey, I've been saying that ever since Elway and Bowlen started the trend. Take your highest paid player, make him a deal to pay him after he retires, and then cut his salary.

And in Elway's case, it was the league minimum. Think about that. He was making the league minimum for veterans. In concert with other cheating on the salary cap, chop blocking from behind, and cooking oil, not to mention Elway's history of thinking he's above the game and his current "job", does anyone have any doubt at all that they were circumventing the salary cap?

Elway's going to offer Manning a similar back-door deal to the one that he got. Elway cheats. The Broncos cheat. It's a known fact.

[Simply Red]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH OUR QUARTERBACK, GET HIM A GOD DAMNED RECEIVER AND A LITTLE PROTECTION TO SHORE UP THE LINKENBACH LANE. & WATCH OUT! ALEX IS SCHOLASTICALLY THE VERY SMARTEST QB IN THE LEAGUE. SRSLY!

[eDave]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH OUR QUARTERBACK, GET HIM A GOD DAMNED RECEIVER AND A LITTLE PROTECTION TO SHORE UP THE LINKENBACH LANE. & WATCH OUT! ALEX IS SCHOLASTICALLY THE VERY SMARTEST QB IN THE LEAGUE. SRSLY!

DERAILED

:popcorn:

[Hootie]

The general nature of the violations, which were found to run from 1996 to 1998, surrounded deferring large payments for star players like Elway. There were other types of guaranteed bonuses being promised to players to avoid proration treatment of the bonuses. Denver claimed that these maneuvers were simply done because they were having cash flow problems and that no benefit was gained despite the league penalties. When tabulating the data it just felt wrong to agree with that assessment. The 5.5 and 5.3% that was spent on their top player was at least 1.2% less than the next closest teams. Their top 10 spending in 1997 was just 40.2%, 4% less than the 2000 Ravens. What those numbers are not so ridiculous, to expect a team with a Hall of Fame veteran QB to be playing for pennies is. Elway’s cap charges in the Super Bowl seasons were just $2.1 and $2.6 million respectively. By comparison Dan Marino, who would be the most logical comparison, had cap charges of $4.3 and $7.6 million. Troy Aikman’s cap charges were both over $5 million in those seasons. Some may argue that Steve Young had low cap charges ($3.5 million), but that was also a team found in violation of the cap.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2vrv95/lets_talk_about_the_broncos_salary_cap/

ALL ELWAY WANTED TO DO WAS WIN! HE'S A TEAM PLAYER! ACCEPTING THOSE CHEATER DEALS KNOWING HE'LL GET ALL OF THAT MONEY, AND SOME, AFTER RETIRING!

Brady's contracts are a fucking crock of shit.

[Hootie]

but that's fine, everyone ... keep telling me how stupid I am for not being naive enough to actually think Tom Brady is playing for "less money" and is a true "team player." Give me a fucking break. He is signing those sweet heart deals knowing he's going to get every fucking penny he deserves and probably, at the end of the day, many more pennies than that greedy son of a bitch (lol) Peyton is getting by signing REAL contracts (like every other NFL QB).

[RunKC]

I would take a paycut to win too if my wife made more than any NFL coach, player and the commissioner every year.

[Simply Red]

DERAILED

:popcorn:

lol no not at all - I'm half way joking - but I think everyone is pretty hard on Alex. He's so much better than Cassel it's not even funny. I think Alex will do better when he gets a receiver that can run routes well and whom is a big target w/ separation ability - Catch and Sit Bowe never offered much as far as YAC.

I don't really know - I'm confused, but I think he has the ability to take us far with a few adjustments - Plus heck - how could you not like Smith? - I think he's a very nice guy, good sport, and a good decision maker - also he just so happens to be the best slider in the league!

[tredadda]

but that's fine, everyone ... keep telling me how stupid I am for not being naive enough to actually think Tom Brady is playing for "less money" and is a true "team player." Give me a ****ing break. He is signing those sweet heart deals knowing he's going to get every ****ing penny he deserves and probably, at the end of the day, many more pennies than that greedy son of a bitch (lol) Peyton is getting by signing REAL contracts (like every other NFL QB).

You might be on to something but it's hard to take you serious because

1. You have yet to show any proof
2. You have an undying love for Peyton
3. You have an undying hatred for Brady.

These biases along with the aforementioned lack of proof discredits a lot of what you have to say.

[Simply Red]

I would take a paycut to win too if my wife made more than any NFL coach, player and the commissioner every year.

actually that's a great pt.

[saphojunkie]

Interesting.

One of the greatest QB's of my generation isn't worth $19.2M because he "can't win" with inexpensive teammates. Meanwhile, said QB has been to the playoffs all three years in Denver and to the SB once.

Meanwhile in KC, the QB who has won ONE playoff game in 10 years - who really can't win with expensive teammates, is getting paid $17M and people are fine with it.

"That's the going rate for QB's" /CP

Holy fuck this place.

Holy fuck, what is hard about understanding that he has MAYBE 16 games left in him. After he hangs it up next year and gets fat on Papa Johns, they'll still need players like Demaryius Thomas to be successful.

Denver has a lot of free agents to re-sign. It's not worth losing young playmakers for one year of Peyton Manning, when he clearly can't be successful anymore without young playmakers.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

BTW they also have Von Miller to resign next year.

[SAUTO]

are you guys really this dense?

you really think a QB who should be making $20M ... restructures ... takes $1M instead

that's not a form of cheating?

is that what you guys are implying?

Specifically Tom Brady. If he took $1M a year for the rest of his career ... and then ended up getting payments from New England after his career for a 25 year period (what the Packers offered Favre to stay retired) ... you don't think that's circumventing the salary cap?

Really?

Really?
Taking the minimum isn't in any way cheating unless they are getting payments after they are done under the table.

[Marcellus]

Holy ****, what is hard about understanding that he has MAYBE 16 games left in him. After he hangs it up next year and gets fat on Papa Johns, they'll still need players like Demaryius Thomas to be successful.

Denver has a lot of free agents to re-sign. It's not worth losing young playmakers for one year of Peyton Manning, when he clearly can't be successful anymore without young playmakers.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

BTW they also have Von Miller to resign next year.

I think Denver understands this very well.

[saphojunkie]

Okay, so here's a question.

Would you pay Peyton Manning $20M for this upcoming year if it meant not re-signing Houston?

[SAUTO]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/19/elway-peyton-hasnt-told-me-definitively-but-i-believe-hell-be-back/

Broncos front office boss John Elway doesn’t know for sure who his quarterback will be this season. But he expects that it will be Peyton Manning (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1493/peyton-manning).

“We’re hopeful Peyton comes back,” Elway said at the Scouting Combine. “We want him back. I said after the season we wanted him back and we still want him back. He has not given me a definitive answer exactly what he wants to do, but we’re hopeful he’s going to come back.”

Elway said that he spoke to Manning and that Manning is feeling better now physically than he was when the season ended. What Elway would not say is whether he has also asked Manning to consider taking a pay cut to give the Broncos more salary cap space.

“I don’t like to get into anyone’s contract or discuss anything about contracts, but just know that as I said, I believe he’ll be back and I believe he’ll be our quarterback next year,” Elway said.

Elway said he’d like to see Manning add a second Super Bowl ring to his legacy.

“There’s not much he can add to his legacy, but I do think the one thing he can add is another Super Bowl championship,” Elway said. “I told him, ‘You don’t need to throw for another yard and you don’t need to throw for another touchdown pass because your legacy is going to be one of the all-time greats, as it is, as we sit here now.’ But where he can really add to his legacy is to win another Super Bowl.”
They definitely asked him to take a pay cut. Elway just spelled it out.

[tredadda]

Okay, so here's a question.

Would you pay Peyton Manning $20M for this upcoming year if it meant not re-signing Houston?

LMAO Not a chance.

[Coochie liquor]

Hootie has been awful in this thread.

Trolling his ass off. It's funny watching him get everyone worked up. He's good, but he's no Clay!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Holy fuck, what is hard about understanding that he has MAYBE 16 games left in him. After he hangs it up next year and gets fat on Papa Johns, they'll still need players like Demaryius Thomas to be successful.

Denver has a lot of free agents to re-sign. It's not worth losing young playmakers for one year of Peyton Manning, when he clearly can't be successful anymore without young playmakers.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

BTW they also have Von Miller to resign next year.

Holy fuck, what is so hard about understanding that:

1.) If you don't want the guy, release him - don't ask him to take a pay cut when you're $30M under the cap;

2.) They're $30M under the cap and you claim he only has 16 games left, so all they need to worry about is THIS year. You know how many young playmakers they have as UFA's? 4.

Thomas, Thomas, Marshall and Moore.

Sounds like they've burned the J. Thomas bridge, and I'm not sure I'd give big money to Moore. They have plenty of money to take one more run if they wanted to.

And if they want to start over, just cut Manning. But don't cry poor when you have a fuckton of money to work with - and that's before cuts and restructures.

[Nightfyre]

I have to think that in today's age of endorsements, it would be incredibly easy to get money to someone indirectly. Take Papa Johns and Peyton Manning. All Elway has to do is offer Papa Johns some sweetheart partnership with the stadium or one of his other ventures in order to take on Peyton Manning for an inflated endorsement deal. Voila. Cap circumvented with no questions.

[-King-]

Okay, so here's a question.

Would you pay Peyton Manning $20M for this upcoming year if it meant not re-signing Houston?

Hell no.
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[Marcellus]

For the record I think Manning should ask for a raise. Probably needs $25MM just for this season alone.

[-King-]

Wow I hadn't even looked at Manning's playoff numbers since signing with Denver. Other than one game, he's been consistently above average in the playoffs. Nothing close to great. Significant dropoff every year from the regular season.
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[BossChief]

Okay, so here's a question.

Would you pay Peyton Manning $20M for this upcoming year if it meant not re-signing Houston?

We have a bunch of draft picks and a bunch of underachieving talent on this team.

They need to trim the fat and if they do, you'd be surprised what they can afford.

[RunKC]

We have a bunch of draft picks and a bunch of underachieving talent on this team.

They need to trim the fat and if they do, you'd be surprised what they can afford.

This is what worries me. I don't want guys like Mike DeVito back at that price but it seems like they are going to do it.

I feel like they are loyal to him or something, or think he's gonna be good next year when the writing is on the wall.

[Brian Jones]

if the Patriots want to pay a 50 year old Tom Brady to show up drunk at a golf event and take a shiit on the fairway that's their business and a testament to the merit Tom Brady has built within that organization. But you're the one pissing in everyone's ear about it.

[saphojunkie]

Holy fuck, what is so hard about understanding that:

1.) If you don't want the guy, release him - don't ask him to take a pay cut when you're $30M under the cap;

2.) They're $30M under the cap and you claim he only has 16 games left, so all they need to worry about is THIS year. You know how many young playmakers they have as UFA's? 4.

Thomas, Thomas, Marshall and Moore.

Sounds like they've burned the J. Thomas bridge, and I'm not sure I'd give big money to Moore. They have plenty of money to take one more run if they wanted to.

And if they want to start over, just cut Manning. But don't cry poor when you have a fuckton of money to work with - and that's before cuts and restructures.

So, you're simply MORALLY offended they would ask him to take a paycut.

Dear Peyton,

You completely fucking suck in the postseason and have a noodle arm. If we are going to win a Super Bowl (which we assume is your ultimate goal as well), then we have to guarantee that our team will get BETTER next year, instead of worse. Because there's no way we can take New England or Indy while losing a combination of Thomas, Thomas, Welker, Marshall Moore. Could we win the AFC West? Probably. But we aren't the CHiefs. We'd like to actually win a playoff game. All of them, in fact. We can't do that if we can't resign our players because you think you "deserve" that money. Players ask for raises. We are asking you to take a pay cut. It's a two way street, no matter what the geniuses at 1 Chiefsplanet Drive think.

Sincerely,

John Elway

PS your pizza sucks

PPS I have to actually think about 2016, when you'll be dropping your taint on some trainer in New Orleans, you fake good-guy poser fuckwad.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Not offended, morally or otherwise.

Had you bothered to read my posts on the topic, you wouldn't have to ask.

If you don't want the guy, just show him some respect and let him go. But acting as if he's holding the organization back from paying others is pathetic. Like I said earlier, if they were up against the cap, I can see them asking. But they look fucking stupid doing it with a fuckton of cap space.

Sadly, some of you can't set aside your Denver hate long enough to have a rational conversation.

[Jimmya]

I'll take Manning over Smiff any day.

[BossChief]

Demarius Thomss has already turned down a massive offer that averages between 13-16 per year. Julius Thomas turned down a deal that averages 8. http://www.milehighreport.com/2014/10/26/7076563/report-julius-and-demaryius-thomas-turned-down-lucrative-contract

They have a bunch of other free agents to take care of, too. Knighton, Moore, Franklin...

Can't blame Elway for wanting to squeeze every drop out of the manning era and try to get him to play for less so he can add a player or 2...or just to be able to squeeze everybody in under the cap.

[-King-]

I'll take Manning over Smiff any day.

What about in a playoff game?
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[Discuss Thrower]

What about in a playoff game?
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This isn't a serious question..

[kcxiv]

this is ****ing bullshit, and I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco

it's not a QB's job to TAKE LESS MONEY to do ANYTHING

ever

Just because Tom Brady has a lifetime contract with New England that will pay him millions of dollars per year every year he's alive to just be Tom Brady, Boston hero, doesn't mean he's a great guy

I don't think ANY ATHLETE, not even Kobe Bryant (who I ****ing hate) should ever take a paycut to "get players signed."

**** that.

Is the owner taking a paycut?

No ****ing way would I ever take a paycut for ANY ****ing reason if I'm worth that much money to my team, like Peyton is.

It's a ridiculous notion.

well fuck, i agree with Hootie for once, maybe twice!

[kcxiv]

What about in a playoff game?
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Shit, we dont even get to play off games. WEll its rare we do.

[-King-]

This isn't a serious question..

Half serious half troll. Manning isn't anything special in the post season. He averages 280 yards 1.5 TDs and 1INT a game.
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[jspchief]

I see Hootie is machine-gun posting his stupidity again...

[wazu]

Ah, I see we are now on page 4 of this thread about a bullshit story that has no link and no basis in truth.

[New World Order]

For our sake I hope denver releases him.

[Hootie]

I see no one wanted to touch base on Brady's "team friendly" contracts after I posted the Elway link. Typical.

[Amnorix]

this is fucking bullshit, and I don't care if it's Peyton Manning or Russell Wilson or Joe Flacco

it's not a QB's job to TAKE LESS MONEY to do ANYTHING

ever

Just because Tom Brady has a lifetime contract with New England that will pay him millions of dollars per year every year he's alive to just be Tom Brady, Boston hero, doesn't mean he's a great guy

I don't think ANY ATHLETE, not even Kobe Bryant (who I fucking hate) should ever take a paycut to "get players signed."

Fuck that.

Is the owner taking a paycut?

No fucking way would I ever take a paycut for ANY fucking reason if I'm worth that much money to my team, like Peyton is.

It's a ridiculous notion.


I agree with all of this.

But it is yet another reason why I'm happy the Patriots had Brady all these years instead of Manning.


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