Help finding my son a new car

[007]

My sons 2000 Ford Explorer front wheel completely froze up and destroyed the brakes and there is a problem with the rear axle too. Repair cost is over $1000 and I'm not paying that. Time to look at a new car for him.

Who were the resident dealers on this site again?

Here are the cars he is looking at. Any opinions would be great as I have had it with car shopping these last few years.

http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/621323293/overview/
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/621323293/overview/
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/628164780/overview/
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/624857067/overview
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/619114677/overview/

[Deberg_1990]

Volkswagen Jetta would be the best out of those choices.

[-King-]

Jetta or galant out of those.

[lewdog]

I am selling my car shortly. It's a 2001 Toyota in great shape with 100k miles. I'll give you one hell of a deal.

[KCUnited]

Find an older Subarjew.

[lewdog]

How old is this kid and why does he need such a nice car???

[LoneWolf]

I hear there is a guy in Montana looking to make a sweet deal on a used Mustang. Some douchebag from Arizons is trying to bend him over on the deal. You should call him and outbid this guy. His number is 1-800-LEW-SUCKS.

[007]

How old is this kid and why does he need such a nice car???

He is taking out his own loan so it isn't really my call. He is turning 19 soon.

[lewdog]

He is taking out his own loan so it isn't really my call. He is turning 19 soon.

:clap:

Is there something he is looking for specifically? Are these the choices he has nailed down?

I'd PM Hometeam.

[Eureka]

Nissan or ford. If you're not set on either I would choose the best value. If one has lower miles, warranty, records etc.

I bet the Volkswagen will have the highest cost of ownership overall.

[lewdog]

I hear there is a guy in Montana looking to make a sweet deal on a used Mustang. Some douchebag from Arizons is trying to bend him over on the deal. You should call him and outbid this guy. His number is 1-800-LEW-SUCKS.

Why are you trying to sabotage what little fun I can have?!?!

And Guru, there's a guy on here specializing in putting large red bows are cars and presenting them as gifts. Kind of like that Lexus commercial. PM me and I'll get your his contact info so you can do something nice like this for your son. when you pick up his car.

[007]

Nissan or ford. If you're not set on either I would choose the best value. If one has lower miles, warranty, records etc.

I bet the Volkswagen will have the highest cost of ownership overall.

do you mean it will have the most problems?

[Bugeater]

Those are all horrid choices.

[LoneWolf]

Why are you trying to sabotage what little fun I can have?!?!

And Guru, there's a guy on here specializing in putting large red bows are cars and presenting them as gifts. Kind of like that Lexus commercial. PM me and I'll get your his contact info so you can do something nice like this for your son. when you pick up his car.

ROFL. I put a much smaller bow around something else for Valentine's Day. For some reason she wasn't as excited as when she received her Lexus.

[lewdog]

do you mean it will have the most problems?

Volkswagen's are notorious fixers. Especially the Jetta. My wife had a fairly new one when she was younger and she said it was needing something fixed all the time. Curious how these selections were chosen? There's plenty more out there for this price range than those selections.

[lewdog]

ROFL. I put a much smaller bow around something else for Valentine's Day. For some reason she wasn't as excited as when she received her Lexus.

Well I wouldn't be excited if I only received a present for 2 pumps and 5 seconds either.

[007]

Volkswagen's are notorious fixers. Especially the Jetta. My wife had a fairly new one when she was younger and she said it was needing something fixed all the time. Curious how these selections were chosen? There's plenty more out there for this price range than those selections.

For now, I'm letting him run his own show. If I see something I think is better I'll be sending it on to him to consider.

I loathe car shopping and am really ticked we are doing it again already. I have yet to meet a car dealer that didn't leave me thinking I got shafted.

[TribalElder]

I loathe car shopping and am really ticked we are doing it again already.
Don't buy a ford ROFL

[007]

He's in for a shock when he finds out he is paying for his own insurance policy.

[ThaVirus]

Those are all horrid choices.


LMAO

[Bugeater]

For now, I'm letting him run his own show. If I see something I think is better I'll be sending it on to him to consider.

I loathe car shopping and am really ticked we are doing it again already. I have yet to meet a car dealer that didn't leave me thinking I got shafted.Buy something from Hometeam, and if he screws you over at least we can neg rep him into oblivion.

[ThaVirus]

I rented a Jetta for a weekend one time. I drove the everloving shit out of that car. I liked it. Had a little speed and nice handling. I like the look.

I wouldn't want to see the repair/maintenance bill though. German parts and all.

[ThaVirus]

Actually, my roommate's girlfriend has a Jetta. She seems to like it.

My dad had a Galant at one point and I never heard him complain.

[KC native]

Jetta's a nice car but has a German premium when it comes to repairs.

The Focus isn't a bad car.

I would stay away from the Galant because Mitsu has been struggling and may not make it as an auto manufacturer in the US.

Sentra wouldn't be bad either.

[Delaney37]

http://www.hewittmotorco.net/2002-Buick-LeSabre/Used-Car/Topeka-KS/5528059/Details.aspx

FWIW..Spotted this yesterday. Looks pretty nice. Lynn is a decent guy to deal with also. I've bought 2 trucks from him. My B-I-L and sister bought a 2012 Impala from him last year. They told him I sent them for a look and he he gave them about $1000 off with his returning customer discount.

[SAUTO]

http://www.hewittmotorco.net/2002-Buick-LeSabre/Used-Car/Topeka-KS/5528059/Details.aspx

FWIW..Spotted this yesterday. Looks pretty nice. Lynn is a decent guy to deal with also. I've bought 2 trucks from him. My B-I-L and sister bought a 2012 Impala from him last year. They told him I sent them for a look and he he gave them about $1000 off with his returning customer discount.

I saw that one yesterday also.

Nice car. I actually owned one the same color with another hundred grand. Was checking the market. Sold it this morning.

[Buehler445]

Man. I'm not a fan of any of those. I'd be looking for older with low miles. That will help with price and insurance.

[HonestChieffan]

Max Motors just bought the Ford Dealership in Harrisonville. They also own Ford, Dodge, Jeep in Butler and Full line GM in Nevada. They are known for giving some hellish deals and they do a ton of sales online. Id bet they work some deals to get the new dealership up and running hard.

[SAUTO]

Mancow

[MIAdragon]

Wait a 19 year old dude is picking out his own car and THOSE are the ones he picks?!

[HonestChieffan]

Mancow

He was around last week. Signs are going up and they are hiring

[Chief Pote]

19 And a car payment? No dice kid, get your ass in school and drive a nice used beater like all 19 year old people.

[Superbowltrashcan]

How much does he have saved? His insurance premium bump is going to be more than potential fuel and maintenance savings compared to 10-15 year old beater that is liability only. He needs a Dave Ramsey special....

[007]

How much does he have saved? His insurance premium bump is going to be more than potential fuel and maintenance savings compared to 10-15 year old beater that is liability only. He needs a Dave Ramsey special....

Yeah, well, we went the route with the last vehicle and it was a damn money pit.

[Superbowltrashcan]

Yeah, well, we went the route with the last vehicle and it was a damn money pit.

I can see your point. Just picked up a small truck for the kid and I just couldn't justify the difference in price when it was never going to be more than 30 miles from the house. Plus it isn't in a garage so it would never look better than the day we got it.

[stevieray]

Yeah, well, we went the route with the last vehicle and it was a damn money pit.

...get him a classic VW Bug 67-69

[MIAdragon]

Yeah, well, we went the route with the last vehicle and it was a damn money pit.

You bought an exploder.

[007]

Man, I'm going to hate every minute of this. I wish I could just let him search for his own car but I have to make sure he is getting a good car at a good price. Something we failed at with his explorer. We thought it was a good car and got a great price but the brakes seized up and the something on the back axle broke. over 1200 in repair. Not worth it.

[Valiant]

If you cant afford a 1000 for repairs now, stay away from Volkswagen.

Focus is the best choice.

but if he can afford a 10k car, why not a lil more for a new 14 focus?
http://www.kansascityford.com/mobile/New-2014-Ford-Focus-SE-Kansas-City-MO/vd/23346821?a=a&passedreferrer=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDQQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansascityford.com%2FNew-2014-Ford-Focus-SE-Kansas-City-MO%2Fvd%2F23346821&rct=j&q=2014%20new%20ford%20focus%20kansas%20city&ei=p_HqVOfhFsuegwS1jYCYDA&usg=AFQjCNE3GshoLtENpPdQtnUhS-qqEXLudg&sig2=pUCvwrV6CNmUucg_F9cCyw&bvm=bv.86475890,d.eXY

you can probably get a lil cheaper and full warranties for him.

[007]

If you cant afford a 1000 for repairs now, stay away from Volkswagen.

Focus is the best choice.

but if he can afford a 10k car, why not a lil more for a new 14 focus?
http://www.kansascityford.com/mobile/New-2014-Ford-Focus-SE-Kansas-City-MO/vd/23346821?a=a&passedreferrer=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDQQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansascityford.com%2FNew-2014-Ford-Focus-SE-Kansas-City-MO%2Fvd%2F23346821&rct=j&q=2014%20new%20ford%20focus%20kansas%20city&ei=p_HqVOfhFsuegwS1jYCYDA&usg=AFQjCNE3GshoLtENpPdQtnUhS-qqEXLudg&sig2=pUCvwrV6CNmUucg_F9cCyw&bvm=bv.86475890,d.eXY

you can probably get a lil cheaper and full warranties for him.

He can BARELY afford a 10k car plus insurance. Thats his ceiling. He only has a part time job and all.

[bigjosh]

Can he drive a manual transmission? Looking at these same cars with a manual transmission will save you about 2 grand. Not to mention they are less likely to have any transmission problems and if they do its alot cheaper to fix. Id stay away from the focus. They dont hold resale value like the vw or nissan will. Nissans cvt transmissions are hit or miss. i think the vw is the best deal. People keep saying the parts and labor are more expensive, but thats only true if your getting work done at the dealer with factory vw parts. Parts stores have generics for vw just like every other car in the world.

[007]

The plan is for whatever car he gets to last at least 5 years or more. Resale value really isn't a consideration.

[threebag]

Didn't you just post a thread about this awhile back?

[Perineum Ripper]

He can BARELY afford a 10k car plus insurance. Thats his ceiling. He only has a part time job and all.

If that is his ceiling he would be better off going a couple grand cheaper..like it was said earlier a manual transmission would be best..just my thoughts but crowding the limit on what you can afford is never a good choice..talk him into giving himself so space and it will be a little less stressful

If you can find an S10 or Sonoma those trucks run forever..a Chevy Tracker..just about any Toyota Corolla or Camery..Ford Rangers aren't bad buy they can be hit or miss as far as a good one..a Ford Fuckus is a good one

[Perineum Ripper]

http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?zip=64081&endYear=2016&vehicleStyleCodes=TRUCKS&pageLayout=list&sortBy=distanceASC&startYear=1981&maxMileage=100000&longitude=-94.40456&searchRadius=25&maxPrice=10000&latitude=38.907143&totalResultCount=208

Here is a link to pickups within 25 miles of KC with under 100000 and under $10000

[007]

If that is his ceiling he would be better off going a couple grand cheaper..like it was said earlier a manual transmission would be best..just my thoughts but crowding the limit on what you can afford is never a good choice..talk him into giving himself so space and it will be a little less stressful

If you can find an S10 or Sonoma those trucks run forever..a Chevy Tracker..just about any Toyota Corolla or Camery..Ford Rangers aren't bad buy they can be hit or miss as far as a good one..a Ford ****us is a good one

Oh, I plan to talk him into something less expensive. Especially since it will be parked outside 24/7. Trucks are out of the question though. He isn't interested.

[007]

He found this. I talked him out of it.

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/4900142952.html

The insurance on that would be high and the MPG sucks.

[Perineum Ripper]

Oh, I plan to talk him into something less expensive. Especially since it will be parked outside 24/7. Trucks are out of the question though. He isn't interested.

That is a good plan in my opinion..ok so no trucks..that is cool..just not used to teenage boys not wanting a pickup is the only reason I said anything..what is he looking for in the car

Good gas mileage
Around $10000 or under
Low miles as possible

Does he want automatic or manual
Any certain color
Any certain car that he really likes
2 door or 4 (4 door insurance is cheaper if I remember right)
Has he looked into hatchback cars any

[Lzen]

Lot's of bad advice in this thread. Have any of the CP mechanics weighed in.

On that list I would go with the Ford or Nissan. VW is known for needing constant repairs. I don't know about the new models but I have a couple of work friends who have 08 Focuses and they have been very solid cars. Also, they are great on gas mileage.

[Lzen]

He found this. I talked him out of it.

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/4900142952.html

The insurance on that would be high and the MPG sucks.


I don't know what a 2001 Jaguar normally would go for, but I'm guessing that's a scam. That car is probably worth a lot more than $4500 because it only has 68000 miles.

[Perineum Ripper]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=64081&endYear=2010&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE%2CHATCH%2CSEDAN&photosOnlyActual=true&showcaseOwnerId=68779633&startYear=1981&maxMileage=100000&searchRadius=25&maxPrice=9000&pricesOnly=true&listingId=390988898&Log=0

Boom Lincoln Continental with all the bells and whistles=panty dropper with room in the backseat to make Guru in to Grandpa

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=64081&endYear=2010&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE%2CHATCH%2CSEDAN&photosOnlyActual=true&sortBy=mileageASC&showcaseOwnerId=68779633&startYear=1981&maxMileage=100000&searchRadius=25&maxPrice=9000&pricesOnly=true&listingId=390584409&Log=0

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=64081&endYear=2010&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE%2CHATCH%2CSEDAN&photosOnlyActual=true&sortBy=mileageASC&showcaseOwnerId=68779633&startYear=1981&maxMileage=100000&searchRadius=25&maxPrice=9000&pricesOnly=true&listingId=392547049&Log=0

[Lzen]

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2013/04/best-worst-used-cars/index.htm

[Lzen]

http://secure.adpay.com/topeka-capital-journal/13512794/clicknbuy.aspx?networkview=False&catid=0925&pcatid=0900&procid=05ddfc95-88e6-4be4-86b7-239a10219bdd&region=2154

[Imon Yourside]

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2013/04/best-worst-used-cars/index.htm


SUVs
Toyota Highlander Hybrid (2008-09), Honda Pilot (2009-10)


If you want a midsized, three-row SUV with the best fuel economy possible, look no further than the Highlander Hybrid. At 24 mpg overall, it matches the fuel economy of many smaller SUVs and even some midsized sedans. It has a sumptuous interior and a smooth ride. The Pilot delivers sharper handling, and its comfortable third row brings the seating to eight.


ummm just no..I've got an 08 Highlander hybrid and it gets about 14-15 mpg. I hate it that they advertise those mpg's and it never acheives it. Also I own a Prius and it gets 30-40 mpg. Close to 30 in the winter and close to 40 in the summer. I have never had above 40 mpg on a tank of gas, not once even brand new.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/ctd/4877052068.html

Told you on FB, they are rock solid.

[Brock]

19 And a car payment? No dice kid, get your ass in school and drive a nice used beater like all 19 year old people.

This.

[stevieray]

67-69 VW Bug.

good gas mileage
EASY to work on
every part under the sun available.

[jerryforeverrice80]

who doesnt want a good ole ford fucus for a car.

get the jetta.

[Brock]

67-69 VW Bug.

good gas mileage
EASY to work on
every part under the sun available.

Hard to find

[stevieray]

Hard to find

true, they are getting harder to find but they are out there...you have to be patient... pristine '69 around the corner from me for 3k

[Bugeater]

19 And a car payment? No dice kid, get your ass in school and drive a nice used beater like all 19 year old people.Heh, when my son was 19 he bought a car that was eight years newer than mine and six years newer than my wife's. Still can't figure out how that is even possible.

[Valiant]

He can BARELY afford a 10k car plus insurance. Thats his ceiling. He only has a part time job and all.

So he is taking out a loan for 10k?

[007]

So he is taking out a loan for 10k?

well yeah. I stated as such a couple times in this thread already. :thumb:

EDIT

lets rephrase, he is taking out a loan UP TO 10k. It will only be for the amount of what he buys.

[007]

That is a good plan in my opinion..ok so no trucks..that is cool..just not used to teenage boys not wanting a pickup is the only reason I said anything..what is he looking for in the car

Good gas mileage
Around $10000 or under
Low miles as possible

Does he want automatic or manual
Any certain color
Any certain car that he really likes
2 door or 4 (4 door insurance is cheaper if I remember right)
Has he looked into hatchback cars any

Good gas mileage
Around $10000 or under
Low miles as possible
automatic
4 door
he isn't fond of a hatchback but if it lowers the insurance a little more he will consider it.

The main goals are to keep the insurance, price and miles low.

[007]

:clap:

Is there something he is looking for specifically? Are these the choices he has nailed down?

I'd PM Hometeam.

Kind of surprised that hometeam hasn't chimed in.

[KC native]

Good gas mileage
Around $10000 or under
Low miles as possible
automatic
4 door
he isn't fond of a hatchback but if it lowers the insurance a little more he will consider it.

The main goals are to keep the insurance, price and miles low.

I know I've told other this, but look into the Mazda 3. It's fun to drive but it isn't fast (peace of mind for a parent). It's pretty reliable and maintenance is easy (except for the fucking cabin air filter but once you've done it once it goes much quicker).

We've got about 90k on the odemeter for our 2008 and it has only needed recall work (well I had to change a lower control arm because of the horrendous potholes on the freeway here).

[ModSocks]

I just purchased a "new to me" vehicle last week after almost two months of shopping and research.

I would steer away from the Jetta and the Galant. From what i've gathered, the Mitsu will start showing its age sooner than later. It's the cheapest build quality of those you listed.

I really liked the VW's....then i did my research. They're apparently very underpowered for the weight of the car, and they cheaped out the quality of that generation of Jetta compared to years past in order to slot it below their new Passat and CC.

Couple that with the fact that VW's are more expensive to maintain than their American or Jap counterparts, i ruled it out.

Of the cars you listed, the Ford Focus has by far the best reviews. I was very close to purchasing one, even though i can't stand the idea of driving a Focus. It's just a thing i have against the Focus, but from everything i can find, it's suppose to be an outstanding car.

It comes loaded with tech features, has good quality reviews and is supposedly a blast to drive with a good, peppy motor and agile handling.

IIRC, the Focus is the top rated compact car in the market right now, even beating out long time favorites like the Civic and Corolla.

The Mitsu and the VW however, are near the bottom of their class.

I would recommend he look into a 2009+ Mazda 6, though.

The Mazda 6 is safe, affordable, stylish and sporty. From the research i did, it's the best new-ish car you can find around 10K. From a performance & reliabilty standpoint, it shits all over the VW and Galant.

I almost pulled the trigger on one, but opted for a CX-7 instead (more space to hall shit in).

[ModSocks]

I know I've told other this, but look into the Mazda 3. It's fun to drive but it isn't fast (peace of mind for a parent). It's pretty reliable and maintenance is easy (except for the ****ing cabin air filter but once you've done it once it goes much quicker).

We've got about 90k on the odemeter for our 2008 and it has only needed recall work (well I had to change a lower control arm because of the horrendous potholes on the freeway here).

I've heard great things about the 3 as well.

Other cars to consider:

2011 + Hyundai Sonata...if you look, you can find them between 10-12K. I test drove one and it's an outstanding car for the price.

2011+ Hyundai Elantra....

[ModSocks]

Man. I'm not a fan of any of those. I'd be looking for older with low miles. That will help with price and insurance.

The problem with older cars is that the banks want a higher APR on them and aren't as willing to give a long term loan, thus increasing your monthly cost.

[MIAdragon]

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4897932936.html

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/ctd/4904489178.html

[ModSocks]

He found this. I talked him out of it.

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/4900142952.html

The insurance on that would be high and the MPG sucks.

No effing way. Jags are notorious PoS.

I had to fight off the kid inside me to not buy an 2008-2009 BMW 328I or a Mercedes CL200.

You could pick those cars up for less than 10K all day long and i considered it.

Then I researched the cost to replace the parts that will almost certainly fail at some point.

BMW 3 Series water pump? $700 fucking dollars.

Thermostat? Almost $300. And that's WITH my shop discount.

Water pump on the Mazda i bought? $250

Thermostat? A little more than a $100.

Pretty much the end of that fantasy....

[ModSocks]

I don't know what a 2001 Jaguar normally would go for, but I'm guessing that's a scam. That car is probably worth a lot more than $4500 because it only has 68000 miles.

Doubt it's a scam. Just like the entry level Mercedes and BMW's, they depreciate quickly because they often have extremely costly repair bills.

You can find 08-09 Jags that are under 10K

Cool cars to drive im sure.....until something breaks.

[stevieray]

No effing way. Jags are notorious PoS.

I had to fight off the kid inside me to not buy an 2008-2009 BMW 328I or a Mercedes CL200.

You could pick those cars up for less than 10K all day long and i considered it.

Then I researched the cost to replace the parts that will almost certainly fail at some point.

BMW 3 Series water pump? $700 ****ing dollars.

Thermostat? Almost $300. And that's WITH my shop discount.

Water pump on the Mazda i bought? $250

Thermostat? A little more than a $100.

Pretty much the end of that fantasy....

damn....this is exactly why I love my straight six in the 65 Chevy Van

[KC native]

No effing way. Jags are notorious PoS.

This. Pre-Ford era Jaguars were great cars. After Ford bought them, they went to shit.

One of my formerly good friends in KC has a family shop that focuses on Jaguars. Those things will cost you a fucking fortune to fix and they always need to be fixed.

Edit: Now that the Indian car company owns them, they're supposedly becoming good cars again but they're out of your price range and there needs to be a few years before we know how well the turn around has worked.

[ModSocks]

damn....this is exactly why I love my straight six in the 65 Chevy Van

A lot less headaches to deal with for sure, and way cheaper/easier to work on.

Like i told my wife, "The more features and tech the car has, the more stuff to break and go wrong".

[ModSocks]

Also, the 05-08 Mazda 6's might serve him real well too, and you can find those for under $7K.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I really advocate newer sonatas. Those are great cars. Especially on a budget. Chances are it'll still be under warranty.

[Bugeater]

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4897932936.html

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/ctd/4904489178.html
Salvage title on the Honda.

[ModSocks]

I really advocate newer sonatas. Those are great cars. Especially on a budget. Chances are it'll still be under warranty.

Won't be under warranty if you're buying pre-owned. The warranty doesn't transfer over to the 2nd owner.

I did my research on it as it was 1 of my 3 finalists when i bought this Mazda i have now.

I do agree though, it's a really nice car. I was impressed after i test drove a '11 model with 60K on the odometer.

It's just a 4-banger, but it's direct injected and feels more peppy than its specs would suggest. It also has a really nice, techy interior. It's big and spacious, it's a lot of car for the price.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Won't be under warranty if you're buying pre-owned. The warranty doesn't transfer over to the 2nd owner.

I did my research on it as it was 1 of my 3 finalists when i bought this Mazda i have now.

I do agree though, it's a really nice car. I was impressed after i test drove a '11 model with 60K on the odometer.

It's just a 4-banger, but it's direct injected and feels more peppy than its specs would suggest. It also has a really nice, techy interior. It's big and spacious, it's a lot of car for the price.

That's fucking shitty! They've much improved their vehicles and I believe the Sonata is a poor man's Benz. Thanks for the info though.

[007]

He has seen a few Ford Focus' but is apprehensive thanks to that fucking Explorer. He isn't too high on Ford right now and I can't blame him.

[stevieray]

He has seen a few Ford Focus' but is apprehensive thanks to that ****ing Explorer. He isn't too high on Ford right now and I can't blame him.Focus is a good car.

[KC native]

He has seen a few Ford Focus' but is apprehensive thanks to that fucking Explorer. He isn't too high on Ford right now and I can't blame him.

Huge difference between early 00's Fords and post-08 Fords.

Ford and GM both really got their shit together when they both almost went under. They finally moved on from the "If we build it, they will buy it." model to one focused on higher quality and actually competing with foreign manufacturers.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

He has seen a few Ford Focus' but is apprehensive thanks to that fucking Explorer. He isn't too high on Ford right now and I can't blame him.

Yeah but honestly I told you that car was going to be a P.O.S at the time. I own a Mustang. I'd buy a Focus. It was just bad luck. Choose wisely. Used cars are always a crap shoot!

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Huge difference between early 00's Fords and post-08 Fords.

Ford and GM both really got their shit together when they both almost went under. They finally moved on from the "If we build it, they will buy it." model to one focused on higher quality and actually competing with foreign manufacturers.

Yes sir. It's why I chose a Mustang made in 08 vs one earlier.

[MIAdragon]

Yes sir. It's why I chose a Mustang made in 08 vs one earlier.

The big jump was in 05. Now the 99-04 cars are solid too just not as nice as the 05+ cars. The 99+ GT's will run forever and look decent too.

[BigRedChief]

Huge difference between early 00's Fords and post-08 Fords.

Ford and GM both really got their shit together when they both almost went under. They finally moved on from the "If we build it, they will buy it." model to one focused on higher quality and actually competing with foreign manufacturers.My 05 Mustang has 144K miles and no issues.

[KC native]

My 05 Mustang has 144K miles and no issues.

The Mustang is like the F150 to Ford. They usually haven't fucked that one up. The other models are where they applied the "If we build it, they will buy it." mantra.

[Lzen]

He has seen a few Ford Focus' but is apprehensive thanks to that ****ing Explorer. He isn't too high on Ford right now and I can't blame him.

Explorers are notoriously junk. Focus is a good car. Every car company has poor cars. Just some have more than others. Don't let the Ford name scare you away. They do make solid vehicles.

[Lzen]

The Mustang is like the F150 to Ford. They usually haven't ****ed that one up. The other models are where they applied the "If we build it, they will buy it." mantra.

Yup. My 2003 F150 is still going strong. :thumb:

[Miles]

Have heard nothing but good about the more recent Focus and the smaller Fiesta.

[007]

A dealership in Lawrence is going to bring a Focus to Topeka for us to look at. The salesman lives in Topeka. Pretty kind of him. It is the third link in the OP.

http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/628164780/overview/

EDIT

I wonder if the front grill appearance allows insurance to slightly raise rates on it

[Miles]

Used Subaru's might be something in this range if he is looking for something more interesting but likely at the sacrifice of insurance costs for his age.

As others have said a newer car that started as a more practical/less expensive car new is probably the best route. Also agree with what others have said that a more budget economy car can be made more interesting with a manual as well. Newer car may have some warranty and loan will be cheaper/easier as well.

[Rausch]

My sons 2000 Ford Explorer front wheel completely froze up and destroyed the brakes and there is a problem with the rear axle too. Repair cost is over $1000 and I'm not paying that. Time to look at a new car for him.

Well, where's he work?

[eDave]

Why no Civic?

[007]

Why no Civic?

Most of the ones we have found already have much more than 100k miles on them and still pulling $8k. The one things that annoys me about toyota and honda is the ridiculous resale prices. Its great if you are looking to sell but crap if you are looking to buy a car to drive till it drops.

[ModSocks]

Most of the ones we have found already have much more than 100k miles on them and still pulling $8k. The one things that annoys me about toyota and honda is the ridiculous resale prices. Its great if you are looking to sell but crap if you are looking to buy a car to drive till it drops.

And they're not w/o their issues. No car is repair bill proof no matter how much Car and Driver wants you to believe that.

The first Honda i ever owned was an Accord with 80K on it. Two weeks after i took it off the lot, my wheel fell off from a bad CV Axle.

[Frosty]

Used Subaru's might be something in this range if he is looking for something more interesting but likely at the sacrifice of insurance costs for his age.

As others have said a newer car that started as a more practical/less expensive car new is probably the best route. Also agree with what others have said that a more budget economy car can be made more interesting with a manual as well. Newer car may have some warranty and loan will be cheaper/easier as well.

What I found with insurance while looking for a car for my son is that it isn't the type of car that matters but who typically buys it. A Civic is very expensive to insure while a CR-V isn't because kids are more likely to buy a Civic. Pretty much any "cheap" car - Civic, Focus, Sentras, etc - are more likely to be expensive to insure when compared to cars more typically owned by adults.

The cheapest cars to insure are those typically owned by older people like Cadillac and Buick. That said, the car we settled on - a 2000 Impreza - wasn't too bad, though no insurance for a 17 year old male can ever be called cheap.

[BigBeauford]

I love my focus guru. In fact, my wife is driving mine while it's in the shop, while I am stuck with a Mazda2 which makes my focus seem like a luxury vehicle. I do encourage you though, grab the 5 speed manual if you can find one. The Dual Clutch Autos will almost all enevitably have to have the clutch replaced. Mine did at 26,000 miles, or just hope it's still under warranty.

[007]

well, looks like he will have to look at older cars. His insurance rates for the 2012 Focus would be over $400 per month. JFC Even liability only is at $250 per month.

Thats highway robbery no matter how you look at it.

[stevieray]

well, looks like he will have to look at older cars. His insurance rates for the 2012 Focus would be over $400 per month. JFC Even liability only is at $250 per month.

Thats highway robbery no matter how you look at it.
67-69 VW

[007]

67-69 VW

LMAO Liability would still be over $200.

Hell, I would get me a old Bug before him. I love those things and really regret selling my Super Beetle.

[007]

Now I really wish I hadn't gotten rid of it.

http://www.carsforsale.com/Search?Make=Volkswagen&Model=&MinModelYear=1960&MaxModelYear=1979&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&MaxMileage=&ZipCode=&Radius=100&FilterPriceless=false&FilterImageless=false

[ModSocks]

well, looks like he will have to look at older cars. His insurance rates for the 2012 Focus would be over $400 per month. JFC Even liability only is at $250 per month.

Thats highway robbery no matter how you look at it.

Ouch.

That's brutal. Through which carrier?

I remember my first car.....the major insurance companies wanted $300 a month for full coverage....i believe i was 19 at the time.

I was able to find a smaller company, i think it was Viking or Infiniti insurance, and it dropped to around $200.

[007]

Ouch.

That's brutal. Through which carrier?

I remember my first car.....the major insurance companies wanted $300 a month for full coverage....i believe i was 19 at the time.

I was able to find a smaller company, i think it was Viking or Infiniti insurance, and it dropped to around $200.

Thats through our carrier Liberty Mutual. Others wanted $500 per month.

[Brock]

Been real happy with this 04 mustang I got my kid. Cheap, runs great, looks great. I had to fix a few minor things, but I was all in for 3 grand.

[lewdog]

well, looks like he will have to look at older cars. His insurance rates for the 2012 Focus would be over $400 per month. JFC Even liability only is at $250 per month.

Thats highway robbery no matter how you look at it.

Holy absolute fuck! That sounds way too high. Quotes from other insurance companies might be a better start.

[lewdog]

Lewdog will give you one hell of a deal on a car he needs to sell. New brakes, tires, had transmission serviced and 90k tuneup all within the last year. Never a problem with the engine. It's been maintained meticulously over the past decade by me and in great shape for an older car.

I think if I quit my day job I might start selling cars too.

[007]

Lewdog will give you one hell of a deal on a car he needs to sell. New brakes, tires, had transmission serviced and 90k tuneup all within the last year. Never a problem with the engine. It's been maintained meticulously over the past decade by me and in great shape for an older car.

I think if I quit my day job I might start selling cars too.

You have left out some important details.

[Buehler445]

well, looks like he will have to look at older cars. His insurance rates for the 2012 Focus would be over $400 per month. JFC Even liability only is at $250 per month.

Thats highway robbery no matter how you look at it.

Holy absolute fuck! That sounds way too high. Quotes from other insurance companies might be a better start.

Kids man.

Insurance companies rape kids. I remember when I went to college, my parents booted me off their policy and on to my own and it more than doubled the bitch. And that was 15 years ago. I'm sure it didn't get any better.

They rape dudes worse anyway. My wifes insurance for a crappier car was less than mine when we got married. And she's a terrible driver. Neither of us had any tickets or wrecks, and they just bent me over.

If I were to do it again, I'd wouldn't owe money on the car until I was married and just run liability.

[007]

2001 Audi A4 for 6000 only has 63k miles on it. Anyone know anything about this car?

http://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/4272925

[SAUTO]

2001 Audi A4 for 6000 only has 63k miles on it. Anyone know anything about this car?

http://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/4272925

Pretty sure it's due for a timing belt/ water pump. Some bucks there.

My nephew had one for about six months and it was like a hole he would just throw his wallet at...

[Brock]

Sweet interior. Turbo? Hmm.

I'd suspect the cost of ownership is going to be above average on that.

[MIAdragon]

It's been hit in the front, but looks clean.

[SAUTO]

The front bumper doesn't fit right either, betting it's been hit at some point.

[ModSocks]

2001 Audi A4 for 6000 only has 63k miles on it. Anyone know anything about this car?

http://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/4272925

It was in some sort of accident for one, you can tell that right off the bat from the picture.

63K miles on a 2001 is a red flag for me. Those two numbers don't match up. That car should have at LEAST 150K+ miles on it, which means it was never driven....because reasons....or it sat around for a long period of time, possibly for mechanical reasons.

I'd hope for the best, but i'd do a massive amount of homework on it. Maybe you found a diamond in the rough, maybe you found a real PoS that someone finally got up and running.

Also, it's still German, so it'll still cost a bit more to replace parts that are destined for failure.

Also keep in mind that its a turbo, which means it has more moving parts that can break.

Do some strong, strong research on that one.

I Hope it works out for you.

[SAUTO]

It's been hit in the front, but looks clean.

Lol you saw it too.

[ModSocks]

Also, if you decide to go see that car in person, i'd look around to see if it's been repainted.

Check the wheel wells and the trim around the windows for overspray. Check the gaps for any white residue from being buffed. Those are all signs that that part of the car had been repainted, meaning there might've been damage there that was repaired.

Then you'll need to find out what kind of dmg it had.

[ModSocks]

Also, the gaps on the rear bumper cover aren't right either.

It could be just the pictures, but i swear i can see white residue on the trunk gap as well as where the black plastic at the bottom meets the bumper cover.

It could just the pictures though, but make sure you check for that when you see it in person, assuming you decide to dig further.

[SAUTO]

Also, the gaps on the rear bumper cover aren't right either.

It could be just the pictures, but i swear i can see white residue on the trunk gap as well as where the black plastic at the bottom meets the bumper cover.

It could just the pictures though, but make sure you check for that when you see it in person, assuming you decide to dig further.

I think so too. Hell the whole car has been buffed by someone who didn't really know what they were doing by the look of the swirls, and the hood looks to be fucked up too but it could just be a bad pic

[Brock]

Also, it's being sold by an auto repair shop, so that could mean a lot of things, good and bad. They do mechanical work and body repair.

[ModSocks]

I think so too. Hell the whole car has been buffed by someone who didn't really know what they were doing by the look of the swirls, and the hood looks to be ****ed up too but it could just be a bad pic

Yup. Im pretty confident that this car was in a somewhat significant accident and sat around waiting to be fixed.

The mileage is 1/3 or what it should be for a daily-driver type car of that age and judging by the paint and poor gaps on both bumper covers, i seriously doubt it has low mileage because some enthusiast loved it to death, garaged and babied it.

It has all the signs of a car that sat around for repairs.

Now that doesn't mean it's a bad car or not the right car for your son, but it does mean you need to approach it with quite a bit of extra caution and attention to detail.

[SAUTO]

yep auto doctor on Merriam lane...they are a pretty good shop. I'm betting he bought it as a fixer upper...

[ModSocks]

One last thing, if you're financing, you're going to have a really hard time financing that car due to its age.

The banks will hike up the APR on you and force a short term loan. Unless it's you financing it and not your son, then you may have an easier time with it assuming you have good credit.

[ModSocks]

yep auto doctor on Merriam lane...they are a pretty good shop. I'm betting he bought it as a fixer upper...

Yup. Shop right next to me does it all the time.

[SAUTO]

Yup. Shop right next to me does it all the time.

Hell I pick up cars all the time that need a motor or something... If it's cheap and fixable I buy them.


I've got seven or eight at the moment. Sold 4 in the last couple weeks and need to get some of these others done and moved soon lol.

[SAUTO]

Hell I had a lady blow the motor up on her 2007 Malibu and then say she was just gonna junk it.

A hundred bucks bought it, now if she will ever bring by the title I could put in the motor that sitting there lol.

[Bugeater]

Ad says it has a warranty lol

[SAUTO]

Ad says it has a warranty lol

And supposedly had the timng belt replaced at 59k.


It HAS to be done every 60k in that thing and is probably 800-1000 in your area.

[lewdog]

You have left out some important details.

Like what?

[SAUTO]

Like what?

Well in that post you left out make and model...

LMAO.

[lewdog]

Well in that post you left out make and model...

LMAO.

Oh I thought he was following my other thread where I was asking for car advice.

LMAO

[lewdog]

$3,500 get you this. She's in great shape for being 15 years old. I'll even throw in the Royals license plate.

Just saying.

http://i.imgur.com/EX77Yp6.jpg?1

[Brock]

That's a good looking car.

[Bugeater]

That's a way better deal than that Audi that's full of question marks.

[Brock]

Don't see very many of those around.

[lewdog]

Don't see very many of those around.

I've had it 10 years. 99k miles. Taken very good care of it. People comment all the time how great it looks because they know it's old. I planned to drive it a few more years since it's got new tires and brakes. But won't keep three cars. Someone who buys it, is getting a great car.

[Brock]

Shit guru. There you go.

[007]

$3,500 get you this. She's in great shape for being 15 years old. I'll even throw in the Royals license plate.

Just saying.

http://i.imgur.com/EX77Yp6.jpg?1
Hmmm, looks like a good car for me.

PM sent

[Lzen]

$3,500 get you this. She's in great shape for being 15 years old. I'll even throw in the Royals license plate.

Just saying.

http://i.imgur.com/EX77Yp6.jpg?1

Looks like a good deal

[ThaVirus]

The Planet helping brothas out.

Brings a tear to my eye..

[007]

Of course, I have no idea where Lewdog lives. For all I know its Arizona, though I am assuming its KC.

[ThaVirus]

He lives in Arizona...

[007]

He lives in Arizona...

well shit

[TribalElder]

Still worth it

[TribalElder]

What an adventure that could be!

[TribalElder]

Perhaps a few z man sammiches and a plane ticket to deliver lololol

[007]

Wish I hadn't shown it to my son now. I don't have the time available nor the funds to go all the way to Arizona just to get a car. Oh well, back to searching though all the shit cars.

[TribalElder]

Wish I hadn't shown it to my son now. I don't have the time available nor the funds to go all the way to Arizona just to get a car. Oh well, back to searching though all the shit cars.

3500 + flight + gas < a Volkswagen

[007]

3500 + flight + gas < a Volkswagen

the time involved that kills it for me. Plus we need those airline miles for the kids trip to disney this summer. Been saving 4 years for that.

[TribalElder]

the time involved that kills it for me. Plus we need those airline miles for the kids trip to disney this summer. Been saving 4 years for that.

Meet halfway... Wichita-ish ROFL

[007]

Meet halfway... Wichita-ish ROFL

heh, now that I could do.

Is that where he really lives? I can never truly tell when my chain is being pulled on this site.:hmmm:

[TribalElder]

Ship it for around a grand
http://www.vehicletransport.com/

[TribalElder]

heh, now that I could do.

Is that where he really lives? I can never truly tell when my chain is being pulled on this site.:hmmm:

I think he is in Arizona I was joking with the Wichita being half way thing lol

[007]

I think he is in Arizona I was joking with the Wichita being half way thing lol

I knew one or the other was a joke. Was hoping Wichita wasn't. LMAO

ITs typical though. Great deal falls in my lap and I can't take advantage of it.

[ModSocks]

Yeah you can always have it shipped. If it's as in good shape as Lew says it is, even at $4500 w/ shipping it's still a good deal. Downside is you don't get to see it first, that's always dangerous, no offense to you, Lew.

[007]

Any opinions on these sub $5000 cars? Probably be checking this place out this weekend.

http://www.tcmotors.com/inventory.aspx?newused=U&cursort=asc&ordby=price

There are a few in that price range that have under 75k miles on them

http://www.tcmotors.com/2002_Ford_Focus_Meriden_KS_250912677.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/2002_Hyundai_Elantra_Meriden_KS_252200874.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/2002_Nissan_Sentra_Meriden_KS_251047210.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/2007_Chevrolet_Aveo_Meriden_KS_250720093.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/1999_Saturn_SSeries_Meriden_KS_250088813.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/1998_Audi_Cabriolet_Meriden_KS_240864022.veh

[TribalElder]

http://www.tcmotors.com/2002_Nissan_Altima_Meriden_KS_252242992.veh#
It's 6 but it's hawt

[007]

http://www.tcmotors.com/2002_Nissan_Altima_Meriden_KS_252242992.veh#
It's 6 but it's hawt

We will probably look at that one too. Definitley in better shape than the SEntra

[TribalElder]

http://ads.iland.net/cgi-bin/view.cgi?action=photo&AdNum=550748

[007]

http://ads.iland.net/cgi-bin/view.cgi?action=photo&AdNum=550748

Don't really like the odometer issue on that. Would have to see the mechanics notes and proof of the repair.

[007]

http://www.tcmotors.com/2002_Nissan_Altima_Meriden_KS_252242992.veh#
It's 6 but it's hawt

Holy crap, it has 35 records according to carfax. What has that thing been through?

[Perineum Ripper]

Any opinions on these sub $5000 cars? Probably be checking this place out this weekend.

http://www.tcmotors.com/inventory.aspx?newused=U&cursort=asc&ordby=price

There are a few in that price range that have under 75k miles on them

http://www.tcmotors.com/2002_Ford_Focus_Meriden_KS_250912677.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/2002_Hyundai_Elantra_Meriden_KS_252200874.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/2002_Nissan_Sentra_Meriden_KS_251047210.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/2007_Chevrolet_Aveo_Meriden_KS_250720093.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/1999_Saturn_SSeries_Meriden_KS_250088813.veh
http://www.tcmotors.com/1998_Audi_Cabriolet_Meriden_KS_240864022.veh

Those little Hyundai for the most part run forever..you always get a few dudes

Heard that the Chevy Aveo are kind of a turd and are mostly more trouble thanthey are worth

Ford Fuckus is always a good choice..Ford made a damn good car with that one

Nissan would be a good car as long as it doesn't have the CVT transmission..those things from what I heard and read are no good

I know nothing about that little Audi so I can't help you on that 1

[Bugeater]

I wouldn't spent $5k on a 1999 Saturn even if it does only have 47k miles on it. It's still a 16 year old car.

[Buehler445]

Find a way to get Lewdog's ride bought.

That's a fuckton better than anything else you're coming up with.

[jjjayb]

Holy crap, it has 35 records according to carfax. What has that thing been through?

One owner. One accident in 2012. 35 records could be oil changes, registration renewals etc. Carfax's way of scaring you into buying their service.

[007]

One owner. One accident in 2012. 35 records could be oil changes, registration renewals etc. Carfax's way of scaring you into buying their service.

Possibly. I've never seen a car I have looked at have that many records. Just caught me off guard.

[007]

I wouldn't spent $5k on a 1999 Saturn even if it does only have 47k miles on it. It's still a 16 year old car.

They are all old cars man. He can't afford the insurance for the new shit we found out.

Lewds is even 15 years old.

[Bugeater]

They are all old cars man. He can't afford the insurance for the new shit we found out.

Lewds is even 15 years old.

15 yr old Toyota>>>>>>> 15 yr old Saturn

[Bugeater]

Look for an old Buick with a 3800 V6 for a couple grand.

[Buehler445]

Sent you a PM

[Brock]

Send the kid down there on a greyhound to pick it up and drive it back.

[burt]

Look for an old Buick with a 3800 V6 for a couple grand.

This.

[burt]

Send the kid down there on a greyhound to pick it up and drive it back.

or this.

[MIAdragon]

It's not going to cost 1g to ship it. The last 4 cars on that route came in around 550 my cost.

[SAUTO]

Look for an old Buick with a 3800 V6 for a couple grand.

ive got one but im not real sure about the transmission so im gonna drive it a while to make sure its solid prior to selling it.

mines actually an 03 though

[lewdog]

Of course, I have no idea where Lewdog lives. For all I know its Arizona, though I am assuming its KC.

Thought you knew I lived in AZ!?!?! Phoenix brah!!!

I've gotta ship the Mustang here and it will run around $800-1000 FYI. That's fully covered though I think. Could do open carry with many cars for cheaper.

[lewdog]

Yeah you can always have it shipped. If it's as in good shape as Lew says it is, even at $4500 w/ shipping it's still a good deal. Downside is you don't get to see it first, that's always dangerous, no offense to you, Lew.

Yea none taken. I probably wouldn't do that for a used car either. Just throwing it out there. I am getting plenty of people wanting to buy this car here in Phoenix so I'll have no problem selling it. Would love for a younger person to get a nice deal though on a car. That's a great way to get started in the world.

[eDave]

Yea none taken. I probably wouldn't do that for a used car either. Just throwing it out there. I am getting plenty of people wanting to buy this car here in Phoenix so I'll have no problem selling it. Would love for a younger person to get a nice deal though on a car. That's a great way to get started in the world.

Dog. I am seriously interested in discussing your, soon to be old, car. How's the paint and interior? Manual/Automatic?

Guru - I'm not 100% on the purchase as it is a consideration for someone else. If you want Lew's car, I'll drive it to KC for ya. I love that drive. Will want a way home though, and a sandwich.

If you are interested in a 94 Prelude with 250K miles, no stereo, badly faded black paint, torn drivers seat, inoperable moon roof, it's yours for $1200. Kelly has it at just over $1300. I ain't driving it to you though.

[MIAdragon]

Thought you knew I lived in AZ!?!?! Phoenix brah!!!

I've gotta ship the Mustang here and it will run around $800-1000 FYI. That's fully covered though I think. Could do open carry with many cars for cheaper.

When you ship lmk, I can do better.

[007]

can you PM me the VIN as well as some other pictures? Can't believe I am actually considering this. Driving 18 hours by myself in less than two days is probably too much for me to take on.

How does that even work purchasing a car in one state and taking it to another? What about state inspections. will a car from arizona be under different standards than in Kansas? license plate issue?

[MIAdragon]

can you PM me the VIN as well as some other pictures? Can't believe I am actually considering this. Driving 18 hours by myself in less than two days is probably too much for me to take on.

How does that even work purchasing a car in one state and taking it to another? What about state inspections. will a car from arizona be under different standards than in Kansas? license plate issue?

Why pay to drive it when you can ship for less, unless you have reservations on buying sight unseen its, well, silly.

[007]

Why pay to drive it when you can ship for less, unless you have reservations on buying sight unseen its, well, silly.

it doesn't matter now. Just found out he won't be able to sell it until May/June. We need a car now.

I did love the thought of getting to see all that scenery on the way back.

[Bugeater]

can you PM me the VIN as well as some other pictures? Can't believe I am actually considering this. Driving 18 hours by myself in less than two days is probably too much for me to take on.

How does that even work purchasing a car in one state and taking it to another? What about state inspections. will a car from arizona be under different standards than in Kansas? license plate issue?
I imagine it varies by state, but here in NE you have to take it to a specific DMV office that has an inspection station, and all they do is make sure the numbers on the car and title match up.

[Bugeater]

it doesn't matter now. Just found out he won't be able to sell it until May/June. We need a car now.
He'll be alright, walking builds character.

[007]

If it were up to me I would just sell him our car and get a new one but the Mrs won't sign off on that. LMAO

[SAUTO]

I imagine it varies by state, but here in NE you have to take it to a specific DMV office that has an inspection station, and all they do is make sure the numbers on the car and title match up.

Same thing in KS.



I will say I have talked through the maintenance records on lew's car and it's been top notch maintained.

[Bugeater]

I think he should just figure it out himself. I got my first car given to me at the age of 16 but after that I was completely on my own.

[007]

Same thing in KS.



I will say I have talked through the maintenance records on lew's car and it's been top notch maintained.

yeah, he just sent me a list of what was done and it appears to be very well maintained. I think the only thing that would be coming up on it is the timing belt.

[007]

I think he should just figure it out himself. I got my first car given to me at the age of 16 but after that I was completely on my own.

wish I could but I feel somewhat responsible for that last POS vehicle. We didn't let him look at anything more expensive because we knew he couldn't afford it so we talked him into that explorer since it was only 1500.

[eDave]

it doesn't matter now. Just found out he won't be able to sell it until May/June. We need a car now.

I did love the thought of getting to see all that scenery on the way back.

Right in my time-frame.

[SAUTO]

yeah, he just sent me a list of what was done and it appears to be very well maintained. I think the only thing that would be coming up on it is the timing belt.

IIRC it was a chain, pretty sure that's the first thing I asked him about, then I looked it up.

[007]

IIRC it was a chain, pretty sure that's the first thing I asked him about, then I looked it up.

Why can't all vehicles use a chain instead of a belt?

[SAUTO]

wish I could but I feel somewhat responsible for that last POS vehicle. We didn't let him look at anything more expensive because we knew he couldn't afford it so we talked him into that explorer since it was only 1500.

Sounds to me like the wheel bearing failed, let him know that it HAD to have been making noise and next time he hears that noise start, especially if the roar is changing with your turns, get it somewhere to get it looked at.


Never seen one fail like that that didn't make an ungodly noise for quite some time

[SAUTO]

Why can't all vehicles use a chain instead of a belt?

Idiocy.


But like I said I'm pretty sure that was the case with his. I just looked and those pm's are gone.

[Bugeater]

wish I could but I feel somewhat responsible for that last POS vehicle. We didn't let him look at anything more expensive because we knew he couldn't afford it so we talked him into that explorer since it was only 1500.
Well if he couldn't have afforded anything more what were you supposed to do? I had $500 jalopy after $500 jalopy that only ran half the time while sinking money into them right and left, and rarely getting a year out of any of them. Hell I think I had gone through at least a dozen cars by the time I was 25. Yes it sucked but I learned a lot about cars and because of it I rarely have to take a car in to get repaired.

[007]

Sounds to me like the wheel bearing failed, let him know that it HAD to have been making noise and next time he hears that noise start, especially if the roar is changing with your turns, get it somewhere to get it looked at.


Never seen one fail like that that didn't make an ungodly noise for quite some time
No,a brake pad busted and caused the caliper to grind and eventually seize. How he never noticed it is beyond me.

[MIAdragon]

Why can't all vehicles use a chain instead of a belt?

Cost, accuracy and they are not as noisy.

[SAUTO]

No,a brake pad busted and caused the caliper to grind and eventually seize. How he never noticed it is beyond me.

Yeah, that should have made a little noise prior to locking up too, lol.

Good learning lesson, if it's making a noise get it checked out. He probably could have fixed the broken pad cheaply and then started looking so he wasn't behind the 8 ball with no wheels.

[stevieray]

Cost, accuracy and they are not as noisy.
another reason I love my inline six... cam and crank gears.

[lewdog]

When you ship lmk, I can do better.

Yeah my FIL was working on that and tons of shipments come through Phoenix. I'll let you know. How do you have connections with that stuff?

[lewdog]

Sorry for hijacking this thread, Guru. I've noticed in my time here at CP that happens a lot from me. I don't mean to do it so please take no offense. It's just easier than starting a new thread about similar topics.

Hope your search goes well since you need a car now and I don't have a timetable to sell this thing. And yes, it's a timing chain from anyone who's wondered. HIJACK! LMAO

[007]

Sorry for hijacking this thread, Guru. I've noticed in my time here at CP that happens a lot from me. I don't mean to do it so please take no offense. It's just easier than starting a new thread about similar topics.

Hope your search goes well since you need a car now and I don't have a timetable to sell this thing. And yes, it's a timing chain from anyone who's wondered. HIJACK! LMAO

Its cool, I just wish I could have taken advantage of your car. Had I realized it was in Arizona I wouldn't have shown it to my kid. Live and learn. heh

[lewdog]

Its cool, I just wish I could have taken advantage of your car. Had I realized it was in Arizona I wouldn't have shown it to my kid. Live and learn. heh

You've made comments to me before about the heat or being in Arizona I am pretty sure? I was assuming everyone knew the location of "The valley of the hot as fuck?!"

You'll find something. Just takes lots of research and hours as you already know.

[Eureka]

I wouldn't spent $5k on a 1999 Saturn even if it does only have 47k miles on it. It's still a 16 year old car.

From my decade+ of experience in the car biz I have seen plenty of older saturns with high mileage and running decently then. A car is worth what someone is willing to pay. Some people buy that low mileage 16 year Saturn and drive it for 100k with reliability while others buy a turd (OP sons vehicle) and have nothing but problems.

If the Saturn you talk about was clean and I was in the market I would consider it because of the potential cost of ownership.

[007]

You've made comments to me before about the heat or being in Arizona I am pretty sure? I was assuming everyone knew the location of "The valley of the hot as ****?!"

You'll find something. Just takes lots of research and hours as you already know.

LMAO I'm not always able to keep everyones place of residence straight when I haven't met them in person.

[007]

A mechanic I know just told me to stay away from the Ford Focus. He works for Ford too.

[eDave]

A mechanic I know just told me to stay away from the Ford Focus. He works for Ford too.

Same with the Fusion. I was picking between that and an Altima. The Altima is miles better than the Fusion.

Fords, to me, gets that 'loose' feeling rather quickly.

[007]

Same with the Fusion. I was picking between that and an Altima. The Altima is miles better than the Fusion.

Fords, to me, get that 'loose' feeling rather quickly.

IF the weather doesn't fuck up the weekend completely we are planning to look at that Altima Saturday.

[Imon Yourside]

Look for an old Buick with a 3800 V6 for a couple grand.

I can attest to that, my 98 regal was incredible..ran forever.

[Imon Yourside]

A mechanic I know just told me to stay away from the Ford Focus. He works for Ford too.

I would stay away from Ford unless you are buying a truck. Toyota if you can find a decent one.

[eDave]

IF the weather doesn't **** up the weekend completely we are planning to look at that Altima Saturday.

I love mine. Love it. I have the SL. From my understanding, it rides nicer, and corners better than the S. But the SL is fully loaded and out of your given price range for sure. I rented the S for a few days before I purchased and would have bought it still over the Fusion.

I'm told the Altima has a nice resale value. Also told financing is easier due to this. Less risk to the lender.

[007]

I would stay away from Ford unless you are buying a truck. Toyota if you can find a decent one.

Just found that interesting since so many were recommending the Focus earlier in this thread.

[Buehler445]

Just found that interesting since so many were recommending the Focus earlier in this thread.

They used to be shit. Wife's dad wanted her to drive one in college because the pickup he sent her there with had like 220,000 miles and was absolutely hilarious in snow.

Anyway, the focus he wanted her to drive was terribad. But that was A LOT of years ago. I don't even remember the year that one was and they have underwent several changes since. Unfortunately I know nothing about focuses but maybe they're better now? :shrug:

And maybe they are solid cars, but the one she drove was EPIC cheap feeling. She ended up with a cheap terrible Malibu that was hilariously underpowered but she was good with it because it wasn't that focus.

[Buehler445]

Just to be clear, I basically don't have an opinion on focuses. I just stuffed my big ass in the back seat of one for a test drive.

[Bugeater]

Just found that interesting since so many were recommending the Focus earlier in this thread.
Eh, if you do enough research you can scare yourself out of buying just about anything.

[007]

Eh, if you do enough research you can scare yourself out of buying just about anything.

Well, when a Ford master mechanic tells me to stay away from a Ford Focus, I think I should probably listen.

[Miles]

One way flight should be pretty cheap. Might be able to convince lewdog to sell now if he he can push to get the Mustang.

[SAUTO]

One way flight should be pretty cheap. Might be able to convince lewdog to sell now if he he can push to get the Mustang.

Exactly.

[SAUTO]

I would offer to fly to the mustang and drive it to lew, catch a couple spring training games, then drive the Toyota home.


If it were me, sounds like an awesome trip.

[Bugeater]

I would offer to fly to the mustang and drive it to lew, catch a couple spring training games, then drive the Toyota home.


If it were me, sounds like an awesome trip.
I would volunteer to come with. :D

[lewdog]

I would offer to fly to the mustang and drive it to lew, catch a couple spring training games, then drive the Toyota home.


If it were me, sounds like an awesome trip.

ROFL

It really is a very pretty drive. Driving through Southwest Montana which is absolutely stunning. Then you can off-shoot to Zion, Bryce and the Grand Canyon on the way down as well. Southern Utah is spectacular in it's own right. Spring Training here is electric.

But I ain't letting any of you assholes near my Mustang! LMAO

[Miles]

Lew why are you waiting until summer to get the Mustang? The miles are going to happen if you drive it back.

Guru should be all over this. Reminds me of how super cheap I sold a car a while back to family since it's easier than listing it and dealing with buyers. A one way flight hardly cuts into getting a deal like this.

[Brock]

I guess I'd keep looking, but if I didn't find a deal as good as that celica, I think I would try to wait on it. There's just too much junk for sale out there.

[lewdog]

Lew why are you waiting until summer to get the Mustang? The miles are going to happen if you drive it back.

Guru should be all over this. Reminds me of how super cheap I sold a car a while back to family since it's easier than listing it and dealing with buyers. A one way flight hardly cuts into getting a deal like this.

I can't take any time off to do that trip right now plus flying up and driving back is about the same price as it would be to ship, so I'd rather ship. Not to mention I'd be chancing the snow right now. Roads up north aren't great so waiting until it's nicer so we don't have to risk someone hauling that thing on snowy roads too.

[007]

I guess I'd keep looking, but if I didn't find a deal as good as that celica, I think I would try to wait on it. There's just too much junk for sale out there.

Waiting until May is not an option. I'm not carting my 18 year old all over the place like some chauffeur for 3 months.

[Brock]

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4898131716.html

[Bugeater]

Waiting until May is not an option. I'm not carting my 18 year old all over the place like some chauffeur for 3 months.
http://topeka.craigslist.org/search/bia

[Brock]

http://topeka.craigslist.org/search/bia

:LOL:

[Perineum Ripper]

Boom get him a Ford Clitoris and tell him it will bethe only one he will have driving a car like this

http://kirksville.craigslist.org/cto/4883715070.html

[Perineum Ripper]

http://kirksville.craigslist.org/cto/4890154021.html

This actually looks like a clean little car

[Perineum Ripper]

http://kirksville.craigslist.org/cto/4910308001.html

I know you said pickups weren't really something he is interested in but this pickup would be sweet..it's got the 4.3 in it and that thing is bulletproof..cheap so he could take out an extra $1000-1500 and fix everything up really good..parts for these pickups are everywhere

[SAUTO]

http://kirksville.craigslist.org/cto/4910308001.html

I know you said pickups weren't really something he is interested in but this pickup would be sweet..it's got the 4.3 in it and that thing is bulletproof..cheap so he could take out an extra $1000-1500 and fix everything up really good..parts for these pickups are everywhere

Piece of shit.

[SAUTO]

http://kirksville.craigslist.org/cto/4890154021.html

This actually looks like a clean little car

Probably not too big a deal to get those lugs off. I would try reverse spirals first

[SAUTO]

Boom get him a Ford Clitoris and tell him it will bethe only one he will have driving a car like this

http://kirksville.craigslist.org/cto/4883715070.html

Salvage title

[Perineum Ripper]

Piece of shit.

What's wrong with it

[Perineum Ripper]

Salvage title

This one was a joke

[Perineum Ripper]

Probably not too big a deal to get those lugs off. I would try reverse spirals first

I wouldn't think it would be too big of a deal..that is a good idea

[007]

http://topeka.craigslist.org/search/bia

I'll get him the pink one.

[007]

damn snowy weekend made this weekend a waste. Nothiing accomplished.

[007]

Its really frustrating that auto dealers take Sundays off. Weekends are the only option for shopping for me.

[BigRedChief]

Its really frustrating that auto dealers take Sundays off. Weekends are the only option for shopping for me.Thats changing. Some are open now and they are busy as hell. Other lots will be forced to open.

I don't get how this ever started. You take away 1 of the two days that the vast majority of your customers have off?

[Bugeater]

You're better off buying from private owners anyway.

[Bugeater]

Actually that's a good time to go take an initial look at a car without some salesman breathing down your neck right away.

[007]

Having a 2004 Nissan sentra se R with 121000 miles checked at my mechanic. Asking price is 3995. Thoughts

[SAUTO]

Having a 2004 Nissan sentra se R with 121000 miles checked at my mechanic. Asking price is 3995. Thoughts

Some of those years had TERRIBLE issues with head gaskets.

[007]

Mechanic just got back. Said all it needs is a valve cover gasket. Leaking oil

[SAUTO]

Pretty sure it was 03-05 if it's one of the engines with the problem run away

[SAUTO]

Mechanic just got back. Said all it needs is a valve cover gasket. Leaking oil

I would do some research on that engine if I were you. It's getting to the point where it will fail if it's one of the problem ones

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Don't tell him that, I just saw pictures on Facebook. They bought it.