Per Schefter: Chiefs tag Houston

[aturnis]

More to come...

[The Franchise]

Now gut the cap and get him a new deal.

[HemiEd]

hmm

[Sassy Squatch]

Kind of odd they didn't talk to the last minute with him like they did Bowe.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>A league source tells me Houston is not expected to sign his franchise tender at the moment.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/572407744071897088">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[penbrook]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>A league source tells me Houston is not expected to sign his franchise tender at the moment.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/572407744071897088">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Fucking great!!

[BossChief]

Why would he? This will be his only chance to skip camp.

I don't expect him to sign it till week 3 of preseason

[kcchiefsus]

Going to go through the same shit next offseason with Poe because Dorsey is incapable of getting shit done.

[Dante84]

Going to go through the same shit next offseason with Poe because Dorsey is incapable of getting shit done.

Jamaal says hi.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Going to go through the same shit next offseason with Poe because Dorsey is incapable of getting shit done.

It takes 2 for a deal to get done.

[Imon Yourside]

Not much to see here, of course we tagged him.

[kcchiefsus]

It takes 2 for a deal to get done.

Yes, that's true. I'm just not too keen on giving Dorsey the benefit of the doubt after the amount of starters he let walk last offseason. We're also a week from free agency and the only quality starter on our OL is without a contract. But hey, let's throw the bank at an average at best quarterback.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

As literally one of the worst franchises in the NFL over the last 40+ years, I'm always shocked and surprised when our guys don't bend over backwards to give us hometown discounts.

[Dante84]

Yes, that's true. I'm just not too keen on giving Dorsey the benefit of the doubt after the amount of starters he let walk last offseason. We're also a week from free agency and the only quality starter on our OL is without a contract. But hey, let's throw the bank at an average at best quarterback.

They were mediocre starters (save Albert), and worth offloading to convert into Comp. picks. We didn't even drop off that much last year, except our receivers and Guard positions. ILB doesn't count due to injury.

I'm pretty happy with how it worked out, and will be even more happy when we get the extra picks.

[Urc Burry]

Fully expect Poe to get the 5th year option

[Dunerdr]

No1curr

[In58men]

Like I said, Chiefs don't like talent. That's why we've always been mediocre.

[Rausch]

Like I said, Chiefs don't like talent. That's why we've always been mediocre.

Talent is expensive...

[In58men]

Talent is expensive...

Hunt doesn't like expensive

[BigMeatballDave]

Fucking great!!

Means nothing. He has the option to skip TC.

[BigMeatballDave]

Hunt doesn't like expensive

I'm no fan of the man, but this is stupid, considering Bowe and AS' contracts.

[BigMeatballDave]

Going to go through the same shit next offseason with Poe because Dorsey is incapable of getting shit done.

:facepalm:

[BigMeatballDave]

This should be the official Panties in a Twist thread.

[warrior]

As literally one of the worst franchises in the NFL over the last 40+ years, I'm always shocked and surprised when our guys don't bend over backwards to give us hometown discounts.




11th best franchise but don't let that ruin your rant. :doh!:

[Rausch]

11th best franchise but don't let that ruin your rant. :doh!:

At what?...

[notorious]

Here comes the first truck of sand to dump into CP's vagina.

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/66171/66171,1221289323,1/stock-photo-huge-sand-dump-truck-17326972.jpg

[warrior]

At what?...

winning pct-cold hard football facts(goggle)

[penbrook]

He will get signed long term. This just buys them more time

[Hydrae]

winning pct-cold hard football facts(goggle)

Isn't a single goggle a monocle?

[srvy]

Well bye bye Hudson hello Kush. That what I see this means. I was hope they could get a deal done on Houston and tag Hudson.

[Rausch]

winning pct-cold hard football facts(goggle)

The point isn't to win games - it's to win the super bowl...

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

You guys crack me up !

Dorsey suck / OK let's bring Pioli back.

Alex Smith was a mistake / Ok we should have kept Cassel and drafted Geno.

If only Romeo was still here. we'd have already crashed 3 or 4 planes into Arrowhead by now trying to drag all the banners around.

[penbrook]

Chiefs have to slice 6.5 mil by March 10 in order to get Houston under contract

[chiefzilla1501]

Now gut the cap and get him a new deal.
Actually, the opposite. The Chiefs will want to give him a new contract so they can better gut their 2015 cap. Signing Houston long term will save us a shitload of 2015 cap space if we are to believe he's here no matter what.

[Rausch]

You guys crack me up !

Dorsey suck / OK let's bring Pioli back.

Alex Smith was a mistake / Ok we should have kept Cassel and drafted Geno.


I've never heard anyone on here say either of those two things.

Anyone who did should be drowned in a tank of boar semen...

[aturnis]

Yes, that's true. I'm just not too keen on giving Dorsey the benefit of the doubt after the amount of starters he let walk last offseason. We're also a week from free agency and the only quality starter on our OL is without a contract. But hey, let's throw the bank at an average at best quarterback.

True. True.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

winning pct-cold hard football facts(goggle)

Hate to bother you, but I don't have Google on my internet and I'm curious, where do we rank in playoff wins over the last 2 decades?

[Eleazar]

Alright, Chicken Littles. Is this that hard to understand? It's all posturing.

Houston's agent is not going to let him sign anything now. His leverage is at its greatest just before or during training camp. Of course the Chiefs tagged him. Of course he's going to delay signing it. He may participate in offseason activities anyway or he may not. It's all posturing.

He will be in uniform this year, they aren't going to let the most talented player on defense sit a year or just walk away. Pioli is gone.

If they paid Bowe, they are surely not going to let someone who's actually integral to the team's fortunes get away.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I've never heard anyone on here say either of those two things.

Anyone who did should be drowned in a tank of boar semen...

Nobody has ever said Dorsey sucks and Alex Smith was a mistake ???????????????

[Rausch]

Nobody has ever said Dorsey sucks and Alex Smith was a mistake ???????????????

No one has said we should have kept Ca$$hole or gone back to Pioli...

[saphojunkie]

There is no reason to pay Rodney Hudson top five money, let alone make him the highest paid center. He's very good, but that's just an utterly replaceable position.

It's the middle linebacker of the offense. Important, sure, but most of the time you find a starter in the second round or below.

Elite pass rusher, however...

Add to it that Justin Houston gave us monstrous production while playing on a third rounder salary. Chiefs will have to break the bank. Period.

[Chief Roundup]

You know it is hilarious. We all expected this.
But all the sudden the same group of haters are all offended and shit.
You guys are really good for a laugh. You are some ridiculous people.

[Rausch]

There is no reason to pay Rodney Hudson top five money, let alone make him the highest paid center. He's very good, but that's just an utterly replaceable position.

It's the middle linebacker of the offense. Important, sure, but most of the time you find a starter in the second round or below.

Elite pass rusher, however...

Add to it that Justin Houston gave us monstrous production while playing on a third rounder salary. Chiefs will have to break the bank. Period.

Priority 1) Houston
Priority 2) Hudson
Priority 3) Anyone else...

[Eleazar]

You know it is hilarious. We all expected this.
But all the sudden the same group of haters are all offended and shit.
You guys are really good for a laugh. You are some ridiculous people.

Eh. Throwing ****fits is a lot more fun than waiting and seeing what happens. And when Dorsey gets Houston signed to a long-term deal, it'll just be "About time he got something right!"

[mcaj22]

2015 we will have like 3 Pioli draft picks as contributors on the WHOLE TEAM

4 years and 3 picks left on the roster that make any impact for the franchise. That is sad.

[wazu]

He's filing grievances and holding out until Week 10. Fuck John Dorsey.

[Rausch]

2015 we will have 3 Pioli draft picks as contributors on the WHOLE TEAM

4 years and 3 picks left on the roster that make any impact for the franchise. That is sad.

Pioli did a piss-poor job.

At this point Dorsey (in the draft) has been even worse...

[Chief Roundup]

Eh. Throwing ****fits is a lot more fun than waiting and seeing what happens. And when Dorsey gets Houston signed to a long-term deal, it'll just be "About time he got something right!"

Shit it will be all about how bad of a contract it is for the Chiefs. It will be about how they could have gotten Houston to sign a better contract taking a hometown discount and shit.

Don't understand why you all that hate everything that the Chiefs have done and continue to do keep coming back. Are you sure you aren't a bunch of women. Just wanting and looking for any reason to bitch and be all fucking dramatic.

[Dante84]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Per league source, Justin Houston already is considering waiting until Week 10 to sign franchise tender to stay with Chiefs.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/572422705460465665">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Dante84]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Justin Houston will consult with NFLPA to decide whether to file grievance on whether he's a DE not an LB, per source.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/572422865355739136">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[notorious]

Fuck him if he does. Cost himself millions.

[Rausch]

And when Dorsey gets Houston signed to a long-term deal, it'll just be "About time he got something right!"

He got it right with DJ and Charles. DJ didn't have an injury history so you can't fault him for that.

He didn't with Bowe. Smith is a coin toss - depends on who you ask.

[BigChiefFan]

Good move. It's better then losing him to another team.

[Dante84]

Non-Exclusive Tag

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I can confirm the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> designated the non-exclusive franchise tag on LB Justin Houston, per source. <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk">@ProFootballTalk</a> reported it first.</p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/572424904626327552">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[notorious]

Before everyone goes ape shit, what if it turns out that he wants Watt money?

[wazu]

Fuck him if he does. Cost himself millions.

Cost the Chiefs millions as well.

[Rausch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Per league source, Justin Houston already is considering waiting until Week 10 to sign franchise tender to stay with Chiefs.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/572422705460465665">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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:facepalm:

[Rausch]

Before everyone goes ape shit, what if it turns out that he wants Watt money?

Why wouldn't he deserve it if he puts up Watt numbers?...

[wazu]

Before everyone goes ape shit, what if it turns out that he wants Watt money?

Then cut Bowe and give it to him. Enough with this bullshit he's the best player on the team.

[notorious]

Then cut Bowe and give it to him. Enough with this bullshit he's the best player on the team.

I am not giving a LB/DE near-elite QB money.

[notorious]

We don't know the details, that's all I'm saying.


What we do know is that Dorsey could have gave him less a year ago and we would have him wrapped up for the next 3-4 years.


Major mistake.

[Rausch]

We don't know the details, that's all I'm saying.


What we do know is that Dorsey could have gave him less a year ago and we would have him wrapped up for the next 3-4 years.


Major mistake.

This...

[Mr. Laz]

Why wouldn't he deserve it if he puts up Watt numbers?...
because it's just not the same

Apparently i am the only person on this board that thinks this.

DE >> LB

even if the sacks numbers are the same, the positional value just isn't

Watt and even Hali's position are just worth more than Houston's


let the outrage begin ..........again :shrug:

[Dante84]

We don't know the details, that's all I'm saying.


What we do know is that Dorsey could have gave him less a year ago and we would have him wrapped up for the next 3-4 years.


Major mistake.

How do we know he wasn't asking for the moon last year?

[Meatloaf]

We don't know the details, that's all I'm saying.


What we do know is that Dorsey could have gave him less a year ago and we would have him wrapped up for the next 3-4 years.


Major mistake.

I'd expect that Dorsey tried to get a deal done, but apparently (as rumored at least), Houston wanted huge dollars. Not sure this is all on Dorsey. Houston's gotta play ball too.

Just football business at this point. Ugly for the fans, but that's the deal.

[Chief Roundup]

Before everyone goes ape shit, what if it turns out that he wants Watt money?

$16M a year average. Absolutely I would give it to him.
So many of you all see that $100M total number and loose the power of your brain. Did you know that $46M of Watts contract is at the end and it is not guaranteed. But after this one year Watt will be costing them between 12 and 13M against the annual cap.

[Rausch]

because it's just not the same

Apparently i am the only person on this board that thinks this.

DE >> LB

even if the sacks numbers are the same, the positional value just isn't

Watt and even Hali's position are just worth more than Houston's


Whut?

Hali is an OLB. We run a 3-4.

A 3-4 DE is NOWHERE near as valuable as a 3-4 OLB. I can't believe you're making this argument...

[notorious]

How do we know he wasn't asking for the moon last year?

It couldn't have been anywhere near what he is asking after a billion sack season.



Houston just came off one of the best pass rushing performances in NFL HISTORY.

[notorious]

I'd expect that Dorsey tried to get a deal done, but apparently (as rumored at least), Houston wanted huge dollars. Not sure this is all on Dorsey. Houston's gotta play ball too.

Just football business at this point. Ugly for the fans, but that's the deal.

And this is the part that worries me the most. He might hate Kansas City and want out.



That's probably the answer nobody wants to hear.

[Mr. Laz]

Whut?

Hali is an OLB. We run a 3-4.

A 3-4 DE is NOWHERE near as valuable as a 3-4 OLB. I can't believe you're making this argument...

Hali lines up and basically plays RDE.

playing the name game doesn't change that

[Rausch]

And this is the part that worries me the most. He might hate Kansas City and want out.



That's probably the answer nobody wants to hear.

He wants what he's worth.

He's not taking a penny less than he could take anywhere else (and state tax must be included in that equation.)

[Chief Roundup]

We don't know the details, that's all I'm saying.


What we do know is that Dorsey could have gave him less a year ago and we would have him wrapped up for the next 3-4 years.


Major mistake.

Because of hindsight we know that. If Houston were to have gotten injured or had a bad season then it would have been what a tool Dorsey is for signing him early.

[notorious]

Because of hindsight we know that. If Houston were to have gotten injured or had a bad season then it would have been what a tool Dorsey is for signing him early.

Injuries happen.


We all knew that Houston is a stud. It should have been taken care of.

[Rausch]

Hali lines up and basically plays RDE.

playing the name game doesn't change that

Jimmy Graham didn't win that argument either...

[Meatloaf]

And this is the part that worries me the most. He might hate Kansas City and want out.



That's probably the answer nobody wants to hear.

Guess we have no idea if Houston wants out of KC or not. I'd expect that the guy mostly wants $$$ and would go anywhere to get it.

Actually, if he's asking for just outrageous money (and I mean outrageous), I'd probably take the two draft picks and let someone else pay said monies. The ONLY position I'd pay outrageous money to would be QB.

I can see it now, we sign Houston to outrageous $$$ and he takes an ACL in London. And why would I expect this? Because....(you know the rest). :banghead:

[srvy]

Is this Donavan or Dorsey that negotiates contracts?

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Regarding Justin Houston, the projected franchise player designation pays $14.8 million to defensive ends, $13.2 million to linebackers</p>&mdash; Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn/status/572426737482539008">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> Justin Houston has +104.2 overall grade since coming into NFL in 2011, best of any 3-4 OLB during that span</p>&mdash; Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/572408507946967040">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Chiefs using franchise tag on Justin Houston

He has 43.0 disrupted dropbacks the last 2 seasons, second to J.J. Watt</p>&mdash; ESPN Stats &amp; Info (@ESPNStatsInfo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/572413512343031809">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[RunKC]

Matthews is the highest paid 3-4 OLB making $13.2 million yr. Watt's avg yearly income is $16.6 million. Robert Quinn's is $14.25 avg.

I would give Houston a $15.5 million avg yearly salary and it give him $20 million gauranteed.
I like how Houston set up Watt's contract and I hope we copy it.
Watt is making $21.96 million this year, BUT his remaining years are as follows:

'16-$12.5 million
'17-$12.5 million
'18-$13 million
'19-$13 million
'20-$15 million
'21-$17.5 million

4 years after his large cap number for the 2015 season he's making less than Clay Mathhews avg.

It's worth paying this guy one year of franchise QB money when you look at those circumstances.

[The Franchise]

Matthews is the highest paid 3-4 OLB making $13.2 million yr. Watt's avg yearly income is $16.6 million. Robert Quinn's is $14.25 avg.

I would give Houston a $15.5 million avg yearly salary and it give him $20 million gauranteed.
I like how Houston set up Watt's contract and I hope we copy it.
Watt is making $21.96 million this year, BUT his remaining years are as follows:

'16-$12.5 million
'17-$12.5 million
'18-$13 million
'19-$13 million
'20-$15 million
'21-$17.5 million

4 years after his large cap number for the 2015 season he's making less than Clay Mathhews avg.

It's worth paying this guy one year of franchise QB money when you look at those circumstances.

Yep. I would easily give him that and not think twice about it.

[notorious]

20 million guaranteed is not near enough.

[wazu]

Is this Donavan or Dorsey that negotiates contracts?

Dwayne Bowe is in charge of all contract negotiations.

[-King-]

We don't know the details, that's all I'm saying.


What we do know is that Dorsey could have gave him less a year ago and we would have him wrapped up for the next 3-4 years.


Major mistake.

We know that?

WTF?

[RunKC]

Yep. I would easily give him that and not think twice about it.

Cut Bowe, Daniels, DeVito and redo Tamba's contract and pay him that big money this year. Just get it done and out of the way so you have room for Poe I the next year or two.

[notorious]

We know that?

WTF?

Common sense.

[-King-]

If you were an agent and you had a client that could possibly be the best OLB in football, would you tell him to sign before his contract is over coming off an 11 sack season where he got injured at the end, or bet on himself the next year and for sure get an even better contract? I say this in every JH thread, but I'm confused why people think he could have signed last year. What leverage did he have? Even if he had a 12-14 sack season instead of 22, he would still get a larger contract now than he would have gotten last year just by the virtue of him being a free agent.

[-King-]

Common sense.

You have none. What leverage could Houston have used to sign a good deal (for him) last year. If he signed a deal last year, it would have been very team friendly. Any smart player and agent would have done the same (played 2014 out without a contract and go into 2015 either franchise tagged or signing an even larger deal).

[Rausch]

We know that?

WTF?

A long term contract would clearly have cost less before he challenged the NFL sack record.

We don't know how much he was asking for before/during the season but it's obviously more now...

[wazu]

For a while last year Houston looked like a potential hold out. They definitely could have signed him for less than they will have to now.

[-King-]

A long term contract would clearly have cost less before he challenged the NFL sack record.

We don't know how much he was asking for before/during the season but it's obviously more now...

Of fucking course. Shit, signing Poe now will be cheaper than if we wait until his rookie deal is over. But once again, it takes two to agree to a deal, and players don't have a ton of leverage negotiating before free agency. That's why they usually wait until their rookie deals are over and they're about to enter free agency to sign a LTD. If you're elite or close to elite, unless the team is throwing a boat load of money at you, there's no reason to sign a contract before you're a free agent.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Justin Houston situation is about to get very interesting

Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2015, 11:24 AM EST
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The Chiefs finally did what has been expected for months — they’ve applied the franchise tag to linebacker Justin Houston. And as explained over the weekend (when most of you weren’t devoting non-work time to non-work reading of the Internet), it’s much closer to the start of the process than the end of it.

The Chiefs opted for the non-exclusive version of the tag. On one hand, it’s cheaper than the exclusive level of the tag. On the other hand, it allows another team to sign Houston to an offer sheet that, if not matched by the Chiefs, would result in Houston changing hands for a pair of first-round picks.

Per a league source, Houston intends to aggressively pursue an offer sheet from another team, targeting teams that would be giving up a low first-round pick in 2015 and, most likely, a low first-round pick in 2016. Houston also intends to continue to pursue an offer sheet after the draft, when the compensation necessarily will become a first-round pick in 2016 and 2017.

Houston, we’re told, is seriously considering staying away from the Chiefs until the Week 10 deadline for signing the franchise tender. If nothing materializes by then, Houston would sign the tender, finish the season, and hit the market in 2016 — unless the Chiefs plan to tender him again, at a 20-percent raise over the 2015 franchise tender.

That’s a stark change from Houston’s in-season plan to sign the tender right away, gladly accepting the life-transforming $13 million or so for one year of play. That 22-sack season may have been a factor in Houston’s change of plans.

Finally, Houston will consult with the NFLPA to explore the possibility of filing a grievance seeking the defensive end franchise tender, which will be higher than the linebacker tender. Seven years ago, Ravens and Terrell Suggs engaged in a similar fight, with the two sides agreeing to essentially split the difference. For Houston, it could be a bit more challenging because he actually does play a considerable amount of linebacker, dropping into coverage in some passing situations.

Which makes him more versatile, makes his 22 sacks more impressive, and potentially makes him a lot more attractive to a team with a desperate coach and/or G.M. who may not be around to use the future draft picks that would be sacrificed to get Houston now.

[Chief Roundup]

One other thing before everyone goes all in on blaming Dorsey, Houston was the last player to sign during his rookie year and wanted more regardless of slotting.
Houston and his agent are going to be hard to negotiate with, they have been that way since he stepped into the league. Pioli and crew had a hard time with Houston as well, for those that liked Pioli contract stuff better.

[notorious]

He doesn't want to be here.


Get the picks and move on.

[The Franchise]

Justin Houston situation is about to get very interesting

Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2015, 11:24 AM EST
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The Chiefs finally did what has been expected for months — they’ve applied the franchise tag to linebacker Justin Houston. And as explained over the weekend (when most of you weren’t devoting non-work time to non-work reading of the Internet), it’s much closer to the start of the process than the end of it.

The Chiefs opted for the non-exclusive version of the tag. On one hand, it’s cheaper than the exclusive level of the tag. On the other hand, it allows another team to sign Houston to an offer sheet that, if not matched by the Chiefs, would result in Houston changing hands for a pair of first-round picks.

Per a league source, Houston intends to aggressively pursue an offer sheet from another team, targeting teams that would be giving up a low first-round pick in 2015 and, most likely, a low first-round pick in 2016. Houston also intends to continue to pursue an offer sheet after the draft, when the compensation necessarily will become a first-round pick in 2016 and 2017.

Houston, we’re told, is seriously considering staying away from the Chiefs until the Week 10 deadline for signing the franchise tender. If nothing materializes by then, Houston would sign the tender, finish the season, and hit the market in 2016 — unless the Chiefs plan to tender him again, at a 20-percent raise over the 2015 franchise tender.

That’s a stark change from Houston’s in-season plan to sign the tender right away, gladly accepting the life-transforming $13 million or so for one year of play. That 22-sack season may have been a factor in Houston’s change of plans.

Finally, Houston will consult with the NFLPA to explore the possibility of filing a grievance seeking the defensive end franchise tender, which will be higher than the linebacker tender. Seven years ago, Ravens and Terrell Suggs engaged in a similar fight, with the two sides agreeing to essentially split the difference. For Houston, it could be a bit more challenging because he actually does play a considerable amount of linebacker, dropping into coverage in some passing situations.

Which makes him more versatile, makes his 22 sacks more impressive, and potentially makes him a lot more attractive to a team with a desperate coach and/or G.M. who may not be around to use the future draft picks that would be sacrificed to get Houston now.

Fuck. Don't make me hate you Houston.

[wazu]

Wonder how long it will take for Elway to get the deal done.

[notorious]

****. Don't make me hate you Houston.

Look at it from his viewpoint.


Would you take more money to play in a nicer city in better weather?

[notorious]

Wonder how long it will take for Elway to get the deal done.

He is working on Hali right now just to remind us of Neil Smith and Keith Traylor.

[The Franchise]

Look at it from his viewpoint.


Would you take more money to play in a nicer city in better weather?

Oh I get it. Still doesn't make me any less annoyed.

[Meatloaf]

Pretty clear that Houston wants $$$ and doesn't care where it comes from. Hey, that's his prerogative; can't blame him for that. However, it does suggest that his desire/dedication to play for the good old KC Chiefs isn't particularly high.

As I said before, a couple of #1 draft picks certainly isn't horrible. I'd be happy to take those and let someone else mess with Houston and his agent.

[-King-]

Would be hilarious if Houston signed the tender in the next few days or during preseason like he's going to do most likely.

[BossChief]

Why the fuck would they use the non exclusive tag on him?

That's a sign of disrespect imo

[O.city]

He's gone. Someone will offer two 1st rounders.

oh well, thank god for baseball

[-King-]

Pretty clear that Houston wants $$$ and doesn't care where it comes from. Hey, that's his prerogative; can't blame him for that. However, it does suggest that his desire/dedication to play for the good old KC Chiefs isn't particularly high.

How is it clear? Chiefs literally put the tag on him 2 hours ago and people are already running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Why the overreaction?

[Rausch]

Pretty clear that Houston wants $$$ and doesn't care where it comes from. Hey, that's his prerogative; can't blame him for that. However, it does suggest that his desire/dedication to play for the good old KC Chiefs isn't particularly high.

As I said before, a couple of #1 draft picks certainly isn't horrible. I'd be happy to take those and let someone else mess with Houston and his agent.

Or we could just pay him what he's worth...

[wazu]

Why the fuck would they use the non exclusive tag on him?

That's a sign of disrespect imo

It's cheaper. It also could be to prove a point on market value, one way or another.

[Imon Yourside]

Well i'll take the draft picks and move on, if he doesn't want to be here then bye.

[Mr. Laz]

It's cheaper. It also could be to prove a point on market value, one way or another.

absolutely about proving market value

[Rausch]

How is it clear? Chiefs literally put the tag on him 2 hours ago and people are already running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Why the overreaction?

Because we asked him to play out his contract year before getting his big payday.

Once he produces better than anyone expected we (Chiefs) move the goal post and say "well, one more year."

[BossChief]

It's cheaper. It also could be to prove a point on market value, one way or another.

That is just flat out stupid.

When you have franchise players like Houston, you need to do everything you can to make sure he stays in KC.

What Dorsey did was leave the door cracked open for JH to slip out.

[Meatloaf]

How is it clear? Chiefs literally put the tag on him 2 hours ago and people are already running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Why the overreaction?

Ok, point taken. I'll amend to "pretty clear to me", as per prior Houston contract difficulties mentioned in prior posts. Sorry, shouldn't assume you're as sharp as I am. (i kid, I kid)

[Discuss Thrower]

And I was told there was no way Houston wasn't going to be a Chief next year.

[Mr. Laz]

How is it clear? Chiefs literally put the tag on him 2 hours ago and people are already running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Why the overreaction?

first real news in awhile

piranha smelling blood :)

[Meatloaf]

That is just flat out stupid.

When you have franchise players like Houston, you need to do everything you can to make sure he stays in KC.

What Dorsey did was leave the door cracked open for JH to slip out.

Not sure how the door is left open? With this tag designation (as I understand it), we can match any offer Houston gets, so if we want him to be a Chief, he's gonna be a Chief?

[O.city]

Maybe he doesn't want to play in kc Anyway. If I were in his shoes, I wouldnt.

[The Franchise]

Not sure how the door is left open? With this tag designation (as I understand it), we can match any offer Houston gets, so if we want him to be a Chief, he's gonna be a Chief?

The door is left open because Houston can also turn around and sign a mega deal with another team.

[O.city]

Basically let's the market set his number. If another team offers him crazy money, the chiefs won't match and will take the picks.

[BossChief]

Not sure how the door is left open? With this tag designation (as I understand it), we can match any offer Houston gets, so if we want him to be a Chief, he's gonna be a Chief?

Good point

[Meatloaf]

The door is left open because Houston can also turn around and sign a mega deal with another team.

But don't we have the option of matching it?

[Just Passin' By]

That is just flat out stupid.

When you have franchise players like Houston, you need to do everything you can to make sure he stays in KC.

What Dorsey did was leave the door cracked open for JH to slip out.

The Chiefs can match any offer, and poison pill deals are no longer allowed.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

No one has said we should have kept Ca$$hole or gone back to Pioli...

I know that but I was stating that was where we would be without Dorsey / AS

[Rausch]

Maybe he doesn't want to play in kc Anyway. If I were in his shoes, I wouldnt.

Being slapped with the tag, and no long term security after having one of the best seasons ever, sure as hell won't make him want to stay...

[-King-]

That is just flat out stupid.

When you have franchise players like Houston, you need to do everything you can to make sure he stays in KC.

What Dorsey did was leave the door cracked open for JH to slip out.

The exclusive franchise tag is really really rare. I don't think it's a super big deal.

[The Franchise]

But don't we have the option of matching it?

We do....unless it's an offer that we're not willing to match.

[BossChief]

The door is left open because Houston can also turn around and sign a mega deal with another team.

Only if we don't want to match.

I was pissed at first, but after a few minutes to cool down, this was probably the best option.

[Rausch]

I know that but I was stating that was where we would be without Dorsey / AS

No, not at all.

Pioli and Ca$$hole were done in KC. They weren't coming back...

[The Franchise]

Only if we don't want to match.

I was pissed at first, but after a few minutes to cool down, this was probably the best option.

Oh I'm not pissed. I'm just saying that the opportunity is there for him to leave for another team.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

And I was told there was no way Houston was going to be a Chief next year.

what I heard also. Said he wants to be in Cleveland with Johnny Football.

[-King-]

Being slapped with the tag, and no long term security after having one of the best seasons ever, sure as hell won't make him want to stay...

It's apart of business and they understand that.

[Mr. Laz]

Only if we don't want to match.

I was pissed at first, but after a few minutes to cool down, this was probably the best option.

I believe the NFL has disallowed the poison pill for the most part as well.

[BossChief]

How much you wanna bet Denver signs him to an offer sheet and tries to pair Von Miller and Justin Houston?

[thabear04]

Well bye bye Hudson hello Kush. That what I see this means. I was hope they could get a deal done on Houston and tag Hudson.

Hudson said he wanted to get paid highest as a Center.

[Rausch]

It's apart of business and they understand that.

And Houston doesn't need KC but KC needs Houston.

It's a long offseason. Anything can happen.

That said if Houston plays out his tag year with no new contract you can bet your ass he won't play another down in KC...

[notorious]

How much you wanna bet Denver signs him to an offer sheet and tries to pair Von Miller and Justin Houston?

They have the money, too.


God, that would be an epic ass raping.

[-King-]

How much you wanna bet Denver signs him to an offer sheet and tries to pair Von Miller and Justin Houston?

I bet no team signs him to an offer sheet.

[nychief]

I dunno that there will be TONS of offer sheets for JH... He wants big money, and suh is on the market w/o picks attached. He may find a sheet, but is it going to the highest paid D player in the league...which is what he wants? So you are going to drop a HUGE contract and lose TWO firsts? That is a lot.

[Eleazar]

Shit it will be all about how bad of a contract it is for the Chiefs. It will be about how they could have gotten Houston to sign a better contract taking a hometown discount and shit.

It's easy to say they gave away the store when no one has access to any information related to the negotiations. Magically, in the absence of facts, everyone sees something that fits their preconceived notions.

[Eleazar]

And I was told there was no way Houston wasn't going to be a Chief next year.

There is still no way he isn't going to be a Chief next year.

[spanky 52]

I bet no team signs him to an offer sheet.

Pretty much this.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

If we could get 2 firsts out of him and draft Winston and Mariota we could fuck ourselves for the next 10 years !

[notorious]

There is still no way he isn't going to be a Chief next year.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view4/1536286/kevin-bacon-finger-crossed-o.gif

[BossChief]

Oh I'm not pissed. I'm just saying that the opportunity is there for him to leave for another team.

Well...it seems he wasn't gonna agree to what KC was offering (which I have to believe from their past history of negotiating deals that he was offered quite a bit. We haven't exactly gotten any free agents for cheap since Dorsey got here. Everyone has been overpaid IMO) so this might be the best way to get him signed to a fair market long term deal.

Let the market decide what he's worth and if it's not what they are willing to spend, we at least get something for letting him leave.

All in all, I think this was a well thought out decision

[Just Passin' By]

It looks as if Green Bay and the Eagles are taking a different approach with their WRs.

At this point, it appears Dez Bryant & Demaryius Thomas will be the only WRs franchise tags. Not Jeremy Maclin, not Randall Cobb.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/572432783936655361

[wazu]

If we could get 2 firsts out of him and draft Winston and Mariota we could fuck ourselves for the next 10 years !

Lots of Eric Fishers and Dee Fords out there we could stock up on, though.

[srvy]

So we can use the exclusive tag on Hudson? The Chiefs value Hudson more than Houston? I don't get all this is it we dont know what his value is so we will let the market determine and match? This seen colossal stupid.

[-King-]

Remember last year when everybody said some team would sign Jimmy Graham to an offer sheet and then no one did? Same situation. I bet no one signs Houston. I bet no one signs Demaryius Thomas and I bet no one signs Dez Bryant. It just doesn't happen.

[philfree]

I don't think any team will give two 1st round picks for an OLB. Would any of you guys do that? I mean giving two 1st round picks so you can pay an OLB a team handicapping contract.

[-King-]

So we can use the exclusive tag on Hudson? The Chiefs value Hudson more than Houston? I don't get all this is it we dont know what his value is so we will let the market determine and match? This seen colossal stupid.

No.

[BossChief]

Remember last year when everybody said some team would sign Jimmy Graham to an offer sheet and then no one did? Same situation. I bet no one signs Houston. I bet no one signs Demaryius Thomas and I bet no one signs Dez Bryant. It just doesn't happen.

Houston is far more valuable.

You build offenses around franchise quarterbacks and you build defenses around elite pass rushers.

[RealSNR]

If you were an agent and you had a client that could possibly be the best OLB in football, would you tell him to sign before his contract is over coming off an 11 sack season where he got injured at the end, or bet on himself the next year and for sure get an even better contract? I say this in every JH thread, but I'm confused why people think he could have signed last year. What leverage did he have? Even if he had a 12-14 sack season instead of 22, he would still get a larger contract now than he would have gotten last year just by the virtue of him being a free agent.

Because they were in negotiations, dude.

That means the sides talked about a deal. They were just far apart, that's all.

[notorious]

Sutton woke up to a splitting migraine this morning. LMAO

"Just when I figure things out!!!! FUCK!!!!"

[Brock]

How much you wanna bet Denver signs him to an offer sheet and tries to pair Von Miller and Justin Houston?

If denver wants to pay him like jj watt, let them.

[-King-]

Houston is far more valuable.

You build offenses around franchise quarterbacks and you build defenses around elite pass rushers.

Sure. But at the same time, there's still a team that desperately needs a WR over a pass rusher, but they still won't sign Dez or Demaryius.

[-King-]

Because they were in negotiations, dude.

That means the sides talked about a deal. They were just far apart, that's all.

Yeah I know that, but there was no urgency on the part of Houston to sign a long term deal knowing that he could most assuredly get a better deal this year.

[Rausch]

Sure. But at the same time, there's still a team that desperately needs a WR over a pass rusher

THEN WHY THE FUCK DID WE DRAFT A B/U PASS RUSHER IN THE BEST YEAR EVER TO DRAFT A WR?...

[Rausch]

Yeah I know that, but there was no urgency on the part of Houston to sign a long term deal knowing that he could most assuredly get a better deal this year.

He's the only one with leverage here...

[-King-]

THEN WHY THE FUCK DID WE DRAFT A B/U PASS RUSHER IN THE BEST YEAR EVER TO DRAFT A WR?...

Because we fucked up? Your point is?

[BossChief]

THEN WHY THE **** DID WE DRAFT A B/U PASS RUSHER IN THE BEST YEAR EVER TO DRAFT A WR?...

Because Hali has hit the wall and is only a part time player going forward.

[BossChief]

He's the only one with leverage here...

No. He's not.

We can tag him twice for less that 30m total

[notorious]

Because Hali has hit the wall and is only a part time player going forward.

Hali is the guy I see going to Denver.

[-King-]

Hali is the guy I see going to Denver.

So they're going to sign Hali to do what? Back up Von Miller? Back up DeMarcus Ware?

[philfree]

What are the exact rules under the new CBA regarding the F-Tag? I thought they made it where guys couldn't really hold out of the season if they were tagged. If they sign it it's guaranteed isn't it? Houston will be there for season because who's going to give a single week of about a $1mil game check?

[notorious]

So they're going to sign Hali to do what? Back up Von Miller? Back up DeMarcus Ware?



It's a Neil Smith/Traylor joke.

[Rausch]

No. He's not.

We can tag him twice for less that 30m total

He won't get tagged twice.

It won't happen.

He would and should demand a trade if we fucked him that way...

[mcaj22]

No. He's not.

We can tag him twice for less that 30m total

Tag him next year and you lose Poe

[BlackOp]

From what I understand..Houston wants a shit-ton of cash. KC gave this type of tag to see what the real market value is for him. No team with that amount of available money is picking at the bottom...or is stupid enough to give up the picks + the contract. Two top 10 selections for Houston wouldn't be a bad haul for a 3rd round pick....

[Rausch]

Tag him next year and you lose Poe

THen lose Poe.

When you look at need and worth Houston and Hudson both rank higher than Poe...

[mcaj22]

From what I understand..Houston wants a shit-ton of cash. KC gave this type of tag to see what the real market value is for him. No team with that amount of available money is picking at the bottom...or is stupid enough to give up the picks + the contract. Two top 10 selections for Houston wouldn't be a bad haul for a 3rd round pick....

The compensation would be basically Jared Allen all over again

in fact, I'd actually want way more for Houston than we got for Allen in today's market.

[BossChief]

Tag him next year and you lose Poe

Not true.

The Chiefs can activate the 5th year option on Poe.

[mcaj22]

THen lose Poe.

When you look at need and worth Houston and Hudson both rank higher than Poe...

this forum cried for years for a NT in the 3-4 and we finally get the guy that can make the scheme work and you want to let him walk for a center?

[mcaj22]

Not true.

The Chiefs can activate the 5th year option on Poe.

is that with all first round picks?

[Rausch]

From what I understand..Houston wants a shit-ton of cash.

And he's worth it.

Pay him.

He made our dog$#it secondary look respectable...

[BlackOp]

Poe > Houston.....much harder position to find. He's the centerpiece for a functioning 3-4....and it took KC years and several whiffed picks to get him. (not in a 3-4..but they blew several picks on interior dl)

[KCCHIEFS27]

Why wouldn't he deserve it if he puts up Watt numbers?...

JJ Watt doesn't even deserve Watt money.

[BlackOp]

And he's worth it.

Pay him.

He made our dog$#it secondary look respectable...

I agree he deserves to get paid and KC should keep him....I dont blame Houston's agent for trying to get what he can..his client just had 22 sacks. I would do the same...

[BossChief]

is that with all first round picks?

11-32 get that (and it's less than 5m for a DT just did the math and it's 4.7)

Top ten get a much higher rate.

[BossChief]

Poe > Houston.....much harder position to find. He's the centerpiece for a functioning 3-4....and it took KC years and several whiffed picks to get him. (not in a 3-4..but they blew several picks on interior dl)

Bullshit.

The defense fell apart in 2013 when JH got hurt.

Poe was just fine.

[The Franchise]

Bullshit.

The defense fell apart in 2013 when JH got hurt.

Poe was just fine.

Yeah.....it's Houston > Poe.

[philfree]

Who could be Houston suitors be? Who has the cap room besides the Raiders?

[RealSNR]

JJ Watt doesn't even deserve Watt money.

If you were John Dorsey and it were possible right now to sign JJ Watt to the Chiefs for the contract he got in Houston, you wouldn't do it?

[Rausch]

JJ Watt doesn't even deserve Watt money.

Why did we have a winning season last year?

Ask yourself that.

DJ and Berry both left due to injury/illness.

We never threw a TD to a WR, so don't put any worth there.

Charles' talent is through the roof but he was ignored or minimized by the play calling.

We allowed the 7th fewest ppg in the NFL last year.
We ranked 25th in pts scored in the NLF last year.

So despite losing two pro bowl level talents we still produced on D while Houston beasted out an (almost) NFL record...

[Nightfyre]

You guys do realize we can still negotiate with Houston until July 15, right? Just checking.

[Mav]

Poe > Houston.....much harder position to find. He's the centerpiece for a functioning 3-4....and it took KC years and several whiffed picks to get him. (not in a 3-4..but they blew several picks on interior dl)
This is crazy talk. I love poe, but the 3-4 is built around your outside pass rushers.

Think demarcus ware when he was in Dallas. Who was his nose tackle? Who cares. Joey Porter? James Harrison, Suggs? Aldon Smith?

[BigMeatballDave]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Per league source, Justin Houston already is considering waiting until Week 10 to sign franchise tender to stay with Chiefs.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/572422705460465665">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Fuck him if this is true.

[Chiefnj2]

A few years ago the Ravens were able to afford Suggs, Ngata, Lewis, Reed and a bunch of other impact D players.

Why do people on CP always insist it's X player or Y? In this case, Houston or Poe. Teams are able to structure cap friendly contracts for young players. People need to stop freaking out over paying productive players.

[O.city]

A third round pick is going to sit out til week 10 and potentially lose 13 mil? Doubtful

[Rausch]

JJ Watt doesn't even deserve Watt money.

NFL players don't deserve to make more than the fucking POTUS, but they do.

[Rausch]

A third round pick is going to sit out til week 10 and potentially lose 13 mil? Doubtful

:facepalm:

[Chief Roundup]

Why the **** would they use the non exclusive tag on him?

That's a sign of disrespect imo

So they can get the market set and then trade him.
We all knew that it wasn't likely to keep both Houston and Poe.
Houston wants out so the decision has been made for us.

[BossChief]

If Houston isn't in uniform by week 1 or the regular season, I'll be shocked.

That's just an agent threat.

[O.city]

I see Rausch has gone full dumbass this morning.

[Rausch]

If Houston isn't in uniform by week 1 or the regular season, I'll be shocked.

That's just an agent threat.

No OLB is worth more.

[BossChief]

No OLB is worth more.

Agreed.

The highest paid OLB in the nfl is Clay Matthews and they both play LOLB.

66,000,000 total value of contract

13.3m per year average.

So...giving him like 15per should be plenty fair.

Right?

[Nightfyre]

Maybe the Chiefs have an offer on the table, and told him he could try to get a better offer under the franchise tag. Maybe the Chiefs are willing to match the better offer, or maybe they will get two first round picks. Houston's agent has to be careful though because that offer sheet is a two-edged sword and teams will be less willing to offer some giant long-term deal PLUS give up two first round picks.

What I would worry about is a team like the Raiders dropping a huge year 1 salary bomb that we can't match (since they have to spend the money anyway) - but even then - Houston for two high first round picks? That's not all bad, and really pretty unlikely.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He doesn't want to be here.


Get the picks and move on.
That seems a bit short sighted.

[BossChief]

Maybe the Chiefs have an offer on the table, and told him he could try to get a better offer under the franchise tag. Maybe the Chiefs are willing to match the better offer, or maybe they will get two first round picks. Houston's agent has to be careful though because that offer sheet is a two-edged sword and teams will be less willing to offer some giant long-term deal PLUS give up two first round picks.

What I would worry about is a team like the Raiders dropping a huge year 1 salary bomb that we can't match (since they have to spend the money anyway) - but even then - Houston for two high first round picks? That's not all bad, and really pretty unlikely.
Can't poison pill deals anymore like what happened to us with John Tait.

[The Franchise]

Bring on some more cuts. Daniel and DeVito.....you're both up next!

[O.city]

Yeah, for 2 high first round picks? I love houston, but man, that's a serious talent infusion possibility

[Dante84]

Maybe the Chiefs have an offer on the table, and told him he could try to get a better offer under the franchise tag. Maybe the Chiefs are willing to match the better offer, or maybe they will get two first round picks. Houston's agent has to be careful though because that offer sheet is a two-edged sword and teams will be less willing to offer some giant long-term deal PLUS give up two first round picks.

What I would worry about is a team like the Raiders dropping a huge year 1 salary bomb that we can't match (since they have to spend the money anyway) - but even then - Houston for two high first round picks? That's not all bad, and really pretty unlikely.

I think they made rules against "Poison-pill" clauses - not sure if this would apply

[BigMeatballDave]

I see Rausch has gone full dumbass this morning.

I wouldn't say dumbass, but it certainly looks like panic mode.

[Chiefnj2]

Nobody is giving up 2 first round picks and taking on his salary.

[Rausch]

Agreed.

The highest paid OLB in the nfl is Clay Matthews and they both play LOLB.

66,000,000 total value of contract

13.3m per year average.

So...giving him like 15per should be plenty fair.

Right?

It's not about fair - it's about value and worth.

There are only two players on this team that make big plays - Charles and Houston. That's it.

Everyone on this BB wants to build through the draft. We finally hit on a player and once he turns out to be just that rare freak of nature player we're ok with letting him go?

It's fucking double-think...

[In58men]

**** him if this is true.

Fuck you. Chiefs are fucking dumb not to pay him. Instead we dump money into a shitty fucking QB

[Mr. Laz]

THen lose Poe.

When you look at need and worth Houston and Hudson both rank higher than Poe...

wow

I think many football people would disagree.

[BlackOp]

Bullshit.

The defense fell apart in 2013 when JH got hurt.

Poe was just fine.

You could argue that double teaming Poe in the middle is what helps spring Houston/Hali...its symbiotic. I'm not discounting Houston...but he doesn't get 22 without Poe and Hali on the other side. When you have a push up the middle...the QB cant step up.

[Direckshun]

Wellllll we better hope we get Poe extended during the season. Because an offseason where we have to sign both will flatten us.

[wazu]

Wellllll we better hope we get Poe extended during the season. Because an offseason where we have to sign both will flatten us.

Nope, they'll draft Poe's replacement in Round 1.

[Direckshun]

On the other hand, giving him a whole new season will likely reduce his value from this year's, coming off 22 sacks.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Not true.

The Chiefs can activate the 5th year option on Poe.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Franchise tags on left, transition tags on right. Transition #&#39;s = 2016 option #&#39;s for Top 10 picks in &#39;12 draft. <a href="http://t.co/qn7T4szdtx">pic.twitter.com/qn7T4szdtx</a></p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/572456165235294209">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Poe is looking at 9.3m for 5th year.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The Chiefs gambled on his contract and lost. Now they've put themselves in an untenable situation. Penny wise, pound foolish.

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Franchise tags on left, transition tags on right. Transition #'s = 2016 option #'s for Top 10 picks in '12 draft. <a href="http://t.co/qn7T4szdtx">pic.twitter.com/qn7T4szdtx</a></p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/572456165235294209">March 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Poe is looking at 9.3m for 5th year.

That $9.3 million is for the top 10 picks. Poe was #11.

[jd1020]

The Cheaps insulting the best OLB in the game? I'm SHOCKED!!!

[In58men]

The Cheaps insulting the best OLB in the game? I'm SHOCKED!!!

Exactly.

[BigMeatballDave]

The Cheaps insulting the best OLB in the game? I'm SHOCKED!!!

:facepalm:

[Mr. Laz]

Nope, they'll draft Poe's replacement in Round 1.That would seem to be a Dorsey move.

With the 18th pick in the 2015 draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select ........ Danny Shelton, DT, Washington.

[Rausch]

wow

I think many football people would disagree.

Houston creates pressure WHILE being double teamed.

The whole point of an effective NT is:

1) Draw two lineman
2) Create pass rush/run stuff

The primary job of the NT is to occupy blockers. Anything more is bonus...

[-King-]

The Cheaps insulting the best OLB in the game? I'm SHOCKED!!!

How exactly are they insulting him?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

That $9.3 million is for the top 10 picks. Poe was #11.

Don't think that matters.

[The Franchise]

Don't think that matters.

.

The four-year term mentioned above can turn to five years at the team’s discretion. In the prior rookie pay system, teams and players negotiated “buy backs” of additional contract years, often for significant compensation to the player. The new CBA eliminated such bells and whistles from these deals but does permit teams to add a year to first-round contracts without buying it. Article VII, Section 7(a) of the CBA allows teams to apply a fifth-year to first-round contracts, provided it is exercised before May 3 of the player’s fourth season, with salary as follows:

For players picked 1-10, the transition tag for their position in their fourth year (thus, the 2014 transition tag for 2011 picks);
For players picked 11-32, the average salary of players ranked 3rd-25th in salary for that position.

[Mr. Laz]

Houston creates pressure WHILE being double teamed.

The whole point of an effective NT is:

1) Draw two lineman
2) Create pass rush/run stuff

The primary job of the NT is to occupy blockers. Anything more is bonus...
You think that Houston gets doubled more than Poe?

[In58men]

How exactly are they insulting him?

Not paying him what he deserves

[jd1020]

How exactly are they insulting him?

I dunno. They've never been close to an agreement and he goes from saying he'd sign the tag to full bitchmode and that now he's going to actively seek contracts from other teams and possibly holding out til week 10. Seems pretty tired of the bullshit to me.

[-King-]

Not paying him what he deserves

LMAO

[philfree]

That would seem to be a Dorsey move.

With the 18th pick in the 2015 draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select ........ Danny Shelton, DT, Washington.

If Shelton last to #18 regardless of Poe I might pick him anyway. Poe and Shelton in the same front?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

.

Still looking around 6 to 8m. That's still a steal for Chiefs you gotta pick it up.

[Rausch]

How exactly are they insulting him?

They asked him to play out his contract year and he had the 2nd biggest sack total in NFL history.

After this they don't lock him up long term, the go all "always save" and slap the tag after his second attempt to negotiate...

[BigMeatballDave]

The Chiefs gambled on his contract and lost. Now they've put themselves in an untenable situation. Penny wise, pound foolish.

Shit, no one saw 22 sacks coming.

Houston gambled and won.

Of course, we have no idea what the Chiefs ever offered or what Houston wants.

Everything is hearsay at this point.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Shit, no one saw 22 sacks coming.

Houston gambled and won.

Of course, we have no idea what the Chiefs ever offered or what Houston wants.

Everything is hearsay at this point.

This.

[keg in kc]

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

[Rausch]

Shit, no one saw 22 sacks coming.

Houston gambled and won.

Of course, we have no idea what the Chiefs ever offered or what Houston wants.

Everything is hearsay at this point.

I fucking guarantee you he didn't ask for record breaking OLB money before the season.

He can now and he'll get it in two years. Here, or elsewhere...

[BigMeatballDave]

They asked him to play out his contract year and he had the 2nd biggest sack total in NFL history.

After this they don't lock him up long term, the go all "always save" and slap the tag after his second attempt to negotiate...

They asked him? Link?

I don't remember Bowe crying about the Tag.

[-King-]

I dunno. They've never been close to an agreement and he goes from saying he'd sign the tag to full bitchmode and that now he's going to actively seek contracts from other teams and possibly holding out til week 10. Seems pretty tired of the bullshit to me.

He never said any of those things.

[BigMeatballDave]

I fucking guarantee you he didn't ask for record breaking OLB money before the season.

He can now and he'll get it in two years. Here, or elsewhere...

Panic mode! :)

[jd1020]

He never said any of those things.

My mistake. He's dancing in the prairie right now.

Carry on.

[-King-]

My mistake. He's dancing in the prairie right now.

Carry on.

The report of him signing right away was Mike Florio projecting what he could do. It wasn't a report of him saying anything.

So what will happen? Look for the Chiefs to apply the franchise tag to Houston during the two-week window that opens on Monday. Then look for Houston to immediately sign the franchise tender, opting to play the year-to-year game that would force the Chiefs to give him a 20-percent raise in 2016 or let him walk — and then a 44-percent raise in 2017 or let him walk.



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/11/justin-houston-likely-will-be-tagged-definitely-will-sign-it/

[Nightfyre]

I ****ing guarantee you he didn't ask for record breaking OLB money before the season.

He can now and he'll get it in two years. Here, or elsewhere...

I thought he was pretty much asking for a ridiculous deal, but maybe I am mis-remembering.

[jd1020]

Even if he doesn't say that the fact that he's "intending to aggressively seek offers from other teams" says he's fucking fed up with the Chiefs.

[Rausch]

You think that Houston gets doubled more than Poe?

Are you prepared to back up your argument?...

[-King-]

Even if he doesn't say that the fact that he's "intending to aggressively seek offers from other teams" says he's fucking fed up with the Chiefs.

Yeah sure. And he's also seriously considering staying away from the Chiefs till week 10 :rolleyes:. You're a fool if you believe that.

[Rausch]

I thought he was pretty much asking for a ridiculous deal, but maybe I am mis-remembering.

I don't care if he is.

Let's get real stupid. Let's pretend he's asking for $18.5 a year.

Who on this team deserves that?

Him.

No HB, of any quality, deserves that in the modern NFL.

QB's and the men that hunt them do...

[Chiefnj2]

Clay Matthews took home around 32 mil in the first three years of his new contract.

KC can come up with a cap friendly deal. 25 bonus (5 more than Matthews) over 5 years is only 5 a year, with base salaries or guaranteed roster bonus' of 4, 6 and 8 mil a year would mean his cap hit the first three years would be 9 mil, 11 mil and 13 mil.

[jd1020]

Yeah sure. And he's also seriously considering staying away from the Chiefs till week 10 :rolleyes:. You're a fool if you believe that.

I'm sure he's fucking thrilled with the Chiefs right now. The moon appears to be closer to earth than the Chiefs are with a contract.

[BossChief]

Still looking around 6 to 8m. That's still a steal for Chiefs you gotta pick it up.

4.7

[Mr. Laz]

Are you prepared to back up your argument?...

I asked you a question.


Do you?

[Rausch]

Yeah sure. And he's also seriously considering staying away from the Chiefs till week 10 :rolleyes:. You're a fool if you believe that.

Him doing it isn't important.

The point that he's even arguing it means negotiations are not going well. Why the fuck didn't we solve this day 1?

[LoneWolf]

This place is full of some of the biggest sand in the vagina pussies I've ever seen. This is what happens with big negotiations. It happens with every team and things almost always get worked out.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn3fJaXIliRQWhnB5rawtENYvVul8or2AFUjJtUn3-wizetw_S-o7bO-uX

[BigMeatballDave]

This place is full of some of the biggest sand in the vagina pussies I've ever seen. This is what happens with big negotiations. It happens with every team and things almost always get worked out.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTn3fJaXIliRQWhnB5rawtENYvVul8or2AFUjJtUn3-wizetw_S-o7bO-uX

Hey, now. You're disturbing the natural order of ChiefsPlanet.

[philfree]

Houston and his agent are just trying to maximize their opportunity. That's how it works in the NFL. Blame the game not the players.

[Rausch]

They asked him? Link?

I need to provide a link for a player playing out his contract?

He played last year and recorded 22 sacks.

You can google it.

I don't remember Bowe crying about the Tag.

Bowe only had one year where he produced top 5 numbers in anything...

[Rausch]

I asked you a question.


Do you?

Do I think he did?

For the sake of argument I'll say yes.

Yes, I think he was.

We don't get to solve this argument though because only 3rd (very unreliable) parties put out stats on that...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Non exclusive?!?!? Sickening and disgusting...