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lewdog
03-22-2015, 11:12 AM
What happens if you don't change the oil on your Audi TT for 84,000 miles? Take a look.

This turned up on Reddit's ever-excellent r/JustRolledIntoTheShop. There's no explanation for why this car was allowed to atrophy like this, but it's possible the person who uploaded this picture immediately recoiled in horror and had to go puke before posting anything further.

Here's the picture in high res.



Part of the reason I am always scared to buy a used car. Many people have no idea about basic maintenance and drive their cars hard.


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--W5KR-IBN--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wmmpetrdnba0anyeaoxk.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/what-happens-if-you-dont-change-the-oil-in-your-audi-fo-1692660828

Lonewolf Ed
03-22-2015, 11:16 AM
That engine is tres fuqued.

Bugeater
03-22-2015, 11:30 AM
The fact that it made it to 84k before failing is actually pretty impressive.

The Franchise
03-22-2015, 11:31 AM
The fact that it made it to 84k before failing is actually pretty impressive.

This.

Bearcat
03-22-2015, 11:36 AM
Drove a cargo van for a job in college and mentioned to my manager a couple times that it sounded pretty rough... and when it finally seized up on the highway one day, they found out it had gone roughly 15,000 miles without an oil change. So yeah, 84,000 is quite impressive.

Donger
03-22-2015, 11:38 AM
Presumably synthetic oil?

ThaVirus
03-22-2015, 11:39 AM
An old boss of mine's wife drove some old ass Honda Civic. He said "once those cars hit 100k miles you don't even need to change the oil anymore"..

SAUTO
03-22-2015, 11:39 AM
Looks like they used pennzoil

Eleazar
03-22-2015, 11:51 AM
If it was still running then that's very impressive

mlyonsd
03-22-2015, 11:56 AM
Wait, there's oil in cars?

Rain Man
03-22-2015, 12:05 PM
My car uses synthetic oil and it's supposed to only be changed once every 10,000 miles. It makes me really nervous and I keep asking the dealer if it's time to replace it.

ChiefRocka
03-22-2015, 12:23 PM
Needed some TLC.

http://i.imgur.com/gpALGIH.gif

stumppy
03-22-2015, 12:33 PM
Looks like they used pennzoil

Thats what I was thinking.
Looks just like the motor I had to tear down that belonged to a 'By God my dad always used penzoil and he never had any problems so thats why I'll always use penzoil' customers.
They had changed the oil and filter every 3000 miles from the day it was new. Penzoil 10-30. That truck made it to about 130,000 miles then it started making noise.

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 12:42 PM
Needed some TLC.

http://i.imgur.com/gpALGIH.gif

LMAO WTF is she doing?

Pasta Little Brioni
03-22-2015, 12:45 PM
Giving CP an erection?

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 12:46 PM
My car uses synthetic oil and it's supposed to only be changed once every 10,000 miles. It makes me really nervous and I keep asking the dealer if it's time to replace it.

I've used synthetic in older cars that don't require it and still only change it every 10,000.

I do, however, change the oil filter every 5000.

Gonzo
03-22-2015, 12:46 PM
I'm sure Sauto can definitely tell us a story or two but when I was a tech at Saturn in Wichita, we'd get cars in all the time that needed complete overhauls due to customer stupidity.
I had a Pontiac Grand Prix come in once with 40k on it. Never had an oil change and it looked a lot like that. 3.8 L with a supercharger.... Owned by a 20 year old girl of course.
I actually brought her in to look at her engine and told her that after I rebuild the fucker, she needs to change the oil every 3k. She was just oblivious. 3 grand later I believe she got the point.

TLO
03-22-2015, 12:49 PM
That's hard to look at.

Baby Lee
03-22-2015, 12:51 PM
Or, as Inmen calls it, barbecue.

Fairplay
03-22-2015, 01:17 PM
Simply Red drives an Audi maybe its his.

Stewie
03-22-2015, 02:01 PM
I have a buddy that bought a Chevy S-10 pickup in the 90s and the engine crapped out before 10K miles. They dropped a new engine but he was pissed. He never changed the oil, only topped it off when needed. It made it to 100k when he decided to trade it in. God knows what the next owner experienced.

Miles
03-22-2015, 02:05 PM
Looks like some good BBQ crust.

KCrockaholic
03-22-2015, 02:07 PM
An old boss of mine's wife drove some old ass Honda Civic. He said "once those cars hit 100k miles you don't even need to change the oil anymore"..

Wtf.

ThaVirus
03-22-2015, 02:11 PM
Wtf.


Idk. He said on his wife's last oil change, it was all basically sludge that came out.

That, somehow, led him to the conclusion that old Civics don't need oil changes anymore.

KCrockaholic
03-22-2015, 02:13 PM
Idk. He said on his wife's last oil change, it was all basically sludge that came out.

That, somehow, led him to the conclusion that old Civics don't need oil changes anymore.

:facepalm: Some people

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-22-2015, 02:27 PM
What could/should you do to ensure that deposits aren't slowly tightening a carbon noose around your engine's throat?

Miles
03-22-2015, 02:43 PM
What could/should you do to ensure that deposits aren't slowly tightening a carbon noose around your engine's throat?

Change you oil more often than 84k.

milkman
03-22-2015, 02:45 PM
Change you oil more often than 84k.

So, 80k is good?

Bugeater
03-22-2015, 02:50 PM
So, 80k is good?
I would do it at 50k just to be safe.

Miles
03-22-2015, 02:53 PM
I would do it at 50k just to be safe.

Completely. Just make sure its synthetic and you are good. May not get that brisket looking crust with synthetic though.

displacedinMN
03-22-2015, 03:12 PM
Just heard about the same thing at the dealership about warranties.

A guy with a full size Ram had never changed the oil so at about 90K it went to hell.

It was the only time Dodge did not honor the extended warranty.

Miles
03-22-2015, 03:22 PM
My car uses synthetic oil and it's supposed to only be changed once every 10,000 miles. It makes me really nervous and I keep asking the dealer if it's time to replace it.

BMW says 15k miles for an oil change when they are paying for it the first few years when new. With synthetic 10k is not unreasonable at all.

TrebMaxx
03-22-2015, 04:01 PM
My BMW dealer would change my oil once a year regardless of mileage during the four year free maintenance period.

KC native
03-22-2015, 04:14 PM
What could/should you do to ensure that deposits aren't slowly tightening a carbon noose around your engine's throat?

Use good oil. Doesn't have to be synthetic.

Hoopsdoc
03-22-2015, 04:37 PM
I've got a 2000 Pontiac Grand Am with 280,000 miles on it. It had 20,000 on it when I got it. I rarely change the oil in it, maybe every 25,000 miles.

Did I mention the car is a steaming pile of monkey poo?

FlaChief58
03-22-2015, 05:40 PM
My car uses synthetic oil and it's supposed to only be changed once every 10,000 miles. It makes me really nervous and I keep asking the dealer if it's time to replace it.

Change it at 5k no matter what they say

Donger
03-22-2015, 05:45 PM
http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/stop-changing-your-oil.html

SAUTO
03-22-2015, 05:54 PM
It's basically to save people from themselves donger

Bearcat
03-22-2015, 06:13 PM
http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/stop-changing-your-oil.html

Yeah, I didn't know any better and didn't bother to research until about 9 years ago when I noticed my car would say it was at 75% oil life at 3,000 miles... and the manual actually says "at least one per year" if it the oil life doesn't hit 0. Like Rain Man alluded to, that 3,000 mile thing is so ingrained, it's hard to shake, even when the manual says differently.

Pablo
03-22-2015, 06:16 PM
I go with a 5k interval myself. Seems to be alright.

beach tribe
03-22-2015, 06:18 PM
An old boss of mine's wife drove some old ass Honda Civic. He said "once those cars hit 100k miles you don't even need to change the oil anymore"..

not as often anyway.
losing a little viscosity might help compression in an WELL broken in motor.

I said might.

SAUTO
03-22-2015, 06:26 PM
not as often anyway.
losing a little viscosity might help compression in an WELL broken in motor.

I said might.

Why would it help compression?

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 06:27 PM
What synthetic do you guys use? I've been using Mobil 1 for a decade now.

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 06:32 PM
I go with a 5k interval myself. Seems to be alright.

Conventional or Synthetic?

penguinz
03-22-2015, 06:33 PM
Change it at 5k no matter what they say

Wasting $ if you do that

KC native
03-22-2015, 06:33 PM
What synthetic do you guys use? I've been using Mobil 1 for a decade now.

Rotella T6.

Several of the guys on the Mazdaspeed forum have paid for oil analysis on their motors over the years and the T6 (despite being oil for diesel motors) holds up better and keeps the turbo bearing from wearing out.

YMMV.

Bearcat
03-22-2015, 06:37 PM
Conventional or Synthetic?

Mine is conventional and the computer tells me to change it every 5-7k miles or so.... granted, I usually change it on the safe side of that, since 3k is etched into my brain.

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 06:37 PM
Wasting $ if you do that

Definitely. 5000 is for conventional.

Pablo
03-22-2015, 06:38 PM
Conventional or Synthetic?

Conventional.

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 06:43 PM
Rotella T6.

Damn, it's cheaper than Mobil 1. I may consider switching.

KC native
03-22-2015, 06:43 PM
Damn, it's cheaper than Mobil 1. I may consider switching.

What do you drive?

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 06:44 PM
Conventional.

Okay.

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 06:45 PM
What do you drive?

03 Malibu with a 3.1 v6. This is the 6th car I've had with that engine and I've used synthetic in all of them. Solid engine.

KC native
03-22-2015, 06:51 PM
03 Malibu with a 3.1 v6. This is the 6th car I've had with that engine and I've used synthetic in all of them. Solid engine.

I don't know if I'd switch to the T6 then.

The Mazdaspeed guys like the T6 because it doesn't break down under heat. The turbo bearing gets cooked with synthetics that don't handle heat very well. A lot of them use the Pennzoil Platinum.

Edit: It's technically not the right viscosity for our motors but after a couple hundred miles, the heat breakdown brings the T6 to the right viscosity.

Otter
03-22-2015, 07:01 PM
I try to know when to change my oil by looking at it every two weeks. If you can't see the dipstick thru the oil it's time to change. The pretty good research I've done is that Mobile 1 filters and synthetic are currently the best available unless you want to go Nascar driver.

Eleazar
03-22-2015, 07:09 PM
5k

FlaChief58
03-22-2015, 07:24 PM
Wasting $ if you do that

I'm ok with spending a few extra bucks on oil changes vs engine changes

ThaVirus
03-22-2015, 07:39 PM
What if you have a hike mileage car, say 160,000+, that you've been using standard oil for at least the past 4 years. Would making a switch to synthetic be a smart move?

Brock
03-22-2015, 08:06 PM
What if you have a hike mileage car, say 160,000+, that you've been using standard oil for at least the past 4 years. Would making a switch to synthetic be a smart move?

Not really. Throwing money away.

alanm
03-22-2015, 08:10 PM
Without reading any posts and trying hard not to be sexist I would not at all be shocked to find that this car was being driven by a woman. :eek:

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 08:11 PM
Not really. Throwing money away.

Not at all, because you're still going further between changes with synthetic.

penguinz
03-22-2015, 08:22 PM
I'm ok with spending a few extra bucks on oil changes vs engine changes

Waste of $.

Brock
03-22-2015, 08:25 PM
Not at all, because you're still going further between changes with synthetic.

I would probably not go 10,000 miles between changes in a car with 160k, synthetic or not. That's just me.

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 08:36 PM
I would probably not go 10,000 miles between changes in a car with 160k, synthetic or not. That's just me.

I've done it, but I don't blame you.

Jimmya
03-22-2015, 08:46 PM
I use Mobil 1 synthetic, and change it around every 5-7000 miles. Still change the oil myself.

88TG88
03-22-2015, 09:02 PM
I have a Maserati, those change their own oil.

BigMeatballDave
03-22-2015, 09:03 PM
Still change the oil myself.

So do I. No way am I paying someone to do it.

Bugeater
03-22-2015, 09:08 PM
So do I. No way am I paying someone to do it.
It's actually not all that much more to take it to a quick lube place, but every goddamn time I take it to one of those places I've had trouble getting the filter off the next time because those cocksmokers always put an oil filter wrench on it and tighten the holy fuck out of it. So I do it myself if at all possible.

DC.chief
03-22-2015, 09:43 PM
I had a new customer come in the other day with a 2010 challenger rt with 33k on it for an odd noise from the engine and it had never had an oil change. It's wild how oblivious people are. We put a jasper reman in it that cost him 6819 bucks

MIAdragon
03-22-2015, 10:14 PM
Rotella T6.

Several of the guys on the Mazdaspeed forum have paid for oil analysis on their motors over the years and the T6 (despite being oil for diesel motors) holds up better and keeps the turbo bearing from wearing out.

YMMV.

I run t6 in my turbo car but change it every few months, maybe 1k miles tops.

KC native
03-22-2015, 10:21 PM
I run t6 in my turbo car but change it every few months, maybe 1k miles tops.

I daily drive my Speed3. I drop it every 5k on the dot (rotate the tires too).

I'm reasonable on it. I drive it hard occasionally but don't beat it up.

Perineum Ripper
03-22-2015, 11:53 PM
I use Castrol Edge in my truck with a Fram Tough Guard filter..change every 3000 miles even though everything says I can go 5000-10000..all together it's like $35 and I'm completely fine with paying that because I plan on keeping the truck for a long time..so I want to keep the engine in as good of shape as possible..it only has 70000 miles and I plan on keeping it until it has over 200000..I put on about 7000 a year

If people only keep their vehicles for 4-6 years..and drive less than 15000 miles a year regular oil is going to be good enough if they change every 3000..it won't make sense financially to put in synthetic oil..if people keep vehicles longer then I would suggest paying an extra $5-15 every few months

penguinz
03-23-2015, 07:09 AM
I use Castrol Edge in my truck with a Fram Tough Guard filter..change every 3000 miles even though everything says I can go 5000-10000..all together it's like $35 and I'm completely fine with paying that because I plan on keeping the truck for a long time..so I want to keep the engine in as good of shape as possible..it only has 70000 miles and I plan on keeping it until it has over 200000..I put on about 7000 a year

If people only keep their vehicles for 4-6 years..and drive less than 15000 miles a year regular oil is going to be good enough if they change every 3000..it won't make sense financially to put in synthetic oil..if people keep vehicles longer then I would suggest paying an extra $5-15 every few months

Fram filters are junk. If you value your vehicle i would suggest a different brand. Wix or Napa Gold is are decent. My preference for mine is K&N or Royal Purple

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 07:23 AM
Fram filters are junk. If you value your vehicle i would suggest a different brand. Wix or Napa Gold is are decent. My preference for mine is K&N or Royal Purple

Eh, I've always used Fram. I've never heard anything negative about them.

KC native
03-23-2015, 07:38 AM
Fram filters are junk. If you value your vehicle i would suggest a different brand. Wix or Napa Gold is are decent. My preference for mine is K&N or Royal Purple

The tough guards aren't junk. The base level frams are though.

Wix, Napa Gold, and Bosch are all good.

Reerun_KC
03-23-2015, 07:41 AM
Wix filters and Castrol oils in all my cars and trucks for years.... Never had an issue...

Well except when the cam in my 1998 surburban went flat after 299K miles...

Donger
03-23-2015, 07:44 AM
Heh. I looked through the records on my car and I've changed the oil nine times since December of 2001.

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 07:45 AM
Heh. I looked through the records on my car and I've changed the oil nine times since December of 2001.

How many miles have you put on it?

Donger
03-23-2015, 07:46 AM
How many miles have you put on it?

45,000

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 07:48 AM
45,000

In 14 years?

Conventional or synthetic?

Donger
03-23-2015, 07:49 AM
In 14 years?

Conventional or synthetic?

Yep. Mobil synthetic since day one.

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 07:51 AM
Yep. Mobil synthetic since day one.You're probably just fine, then.

Donger
03-23-2015, 07:54 AM
You're probably just fine, then.

A got a bug up my ass a year ago and had the timing belt changed, just because of the age (and it has an interference motor). The mechanic handed me the old belt and said, "You just wasted $1,200" It was perfect.

LMAO

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 07:57 AM
Something I used to do before I started using synthetic was adding a quart of automatic transmission fluid and letting it idle for 30 mins before changing.

ATF is a high-detergent fluid. It can help remove sludge.

Reerun_KC
03-23-2015, 08:00 AM
Something I used to do before I started using synthetic was adding a quart of automatic transmission fluid and letting it idle for 30 mins before changing.

ATF is a high-detergent fluid. It can help remove sludge.

That picture in the OP would need more than a quart of ATF to remove the sludge...

More like drop the pan and insert power washer at 5000 rpm.... LOL!

ROFL

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 08:01 AM
A got a bug up my ass a year ago and had the timing belt changed, just because of the age (and it has an interference motor). The mechanic handed me the old belt and said, "You just wasted $1,200" It was perfect.

LMAO

LOL Yep.

I think most manufacturers recommend it after 60,000. Maybe 100,000.

Cant really put a price on piece of mind.

penguinz
03-23-2015, 08:49 AM
The tough guards aren't junk. The base level frams are though.

Wix, Napa Gold, and Bosch are all good.Fram uses way too much cardboard and have had QC issues in the past. I would never use one in any of my vehicles.

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 08:55 AM
Fram uses way too much cardboard and have had QC issues in the past. I would never use one in any of my vehicles.

What difference does it make? They're all contained within a steel casing anyway.

KC native
03-23-2015, 08:57 AM
Fram uses way too much cardboard and have had QC issues in the past. I would never use one in any of my vehicles.

I don't use them but the non-base level Frams aren't junk. They're not the best but they're not awful.

loochy
03-23-2015, 09:07 AM
Part of the reason I am always scared to buy a used car. Many people have no idea about basic maintenance and drive their cars hard.


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--W5KR-IBN--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wmmpetrdnba0anyeaoxk.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/what-happens-if-you-dont-change-the-oil-in-your-audi-fo-1692660828

Pour a few cans of seafoam on that thing!

Perineum Ripper
03-23-2015, 10:21 AM
Fram filters are junk. If you value your vehicle i would suggest a different brand. Wix or Napa Gold is are decent. My preference for mine is K&N or Royal Purple

I haven't really heard that the higher level ones were junk..I knew the base level ones were..my family has always used them..my uncle who is a mechanic said as long as it's not a base level filter they were good..I have never had any issues

I'm not opposed to changing filters just wanting to know if you know of any personal information of the higher grade filters not working out so I can look into upgrading my filter

penguinz
03-23-2015, 10:26 AM
I haven't really heard that the higher level ones were junk..I knew the base level ones were..my family has always used them..my uncle who is a mechanic said as long as it's not a base level filter they were good..I have never had any issues

I'm not opposed to changing filters just wanting to know if you know of any personal information of the higher grade filters not working out so I can look into upgrading my filterThe Extended life is OK. The TG still uses too much cardboard and poor quality control of the actual filter.

For the same cost, if not cheaper then the TG and definitely cheaper than the EG you can get a Wix that is much higher quality. Or the Napa Gold which is a re-branded Wix.

GloryDayz
03-23-2015, 11:51 AM
Oil snobs crack me up...

I think changing your oil matters more than which you use. It's funny how people who tend to know which oil is better, and are willing to pay more for the better oils, are also the ones who actually change their oil.

Raise your hand if you've changed your oil and filter at least every 5,000 miles (usually 4,000 [but never 6,000!!!]), use Penzoil (and perhaps others!!!!), and have a vehicle that's got 200,000+ miles with no engine issues?

So the point isn't lost that oil snobs can spend a lot more money on better oil, but the magic is in actually changing it, and the filter (FRAM too!!), every 4,000'ish mikes (give-or-take 500 miles).

Beef Supreme
03-23-2015, 11:54 AM
If I was Audi, I would use this as advertising, assuming the car was still running up until this point.

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 11:59 AM
Oil snobs crack me up...

I'm definitely a snob when it some to conventional and synthetic.

I haven't used conventional in more than a decade.

Synthetic is better. That is a fact.

Fairplay
03-23-2015, 12:07 PM
I have a blended oil and take it to the dealership for them to change every 7500 so that's what I do.

That's what they recommend I'm good with that.

Frosty
03-23-2015, 12:09 PM
Even though I use Mobil 1, I generally change the oil when the manual says to do it - every 5000 on my Forester and every 10,000 on my wife's CR-V. They boys' cars get less than 3000 miles a year on them, so I do those once a year. I use stock filters on the Sub and the Honda and NAPA Gold on the boys' cars. We don't drive a lot, with mostly shorter trips, and it can get very hot here in the summer and very cold in the winter, so I like to play it safe.

The next step is synthetic manual transmission fluid in my Forester so it doesn't feel like I am shifting through tar on cold mornings.

Frosty
03-23-2015, 12:18 PM
I've had many a battle with my Dad over Pennzoil. However, in the early 90's, my wife was driving a '87 Toyota Tercel that she had bought new. She pretty much only drove it to work in town - about 6 miles a day round trip - and she drives like a granny. The Tercel started to run rough and the mileage went from the low 30's down to about 20 mpg. We had a mechanic look at it.

He told us the oil had sludged up (I saw it - looked like jello) because of the Pennzoil and the short trips. He claimed there was paraffin in the oil and we weren't getting the engine hot enough to keep it flowing. He suggested we changed to a different brand of oil or started getting the car up to highway speeds occasionally. We changed to Havoline without changing driving habits and never had another problem. :shrug:

I know it's a hotly contested theory but it seemed to be our experience. Pennzoil is probably perfectly fine for the average driver but it didn't work in our situation.

GloryDayz
03-23-2015, 12:19 PM
I'm definitely a snob when it some to conventional and synthetic.

I haven't used conventional in more than a decade.

Synthetic is better. That is a fact.

Yes, yes it is...

And I trust you change your oil too, right?

Do you go the 10K miles route with synthetic? I think if you do, the price can be a lot more of a wash.

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 12:53 PM
Yes, yes it is...

And I trust you change your oil too, right?

Do you go the 10K miles route with synthetic? I think if you do, the price can be a lot more of a wash.

Absolutely. Been doing my own since my dad showed me how to when I was a teenager.

10,000 on Mobil 1 and I change the filter every 5000.

Eleazar
03-23-2015, 12:56 PM
So, SAUTO and others, what would it take to get the above engine back in order? $3,000? $5,000?

98 SR20
03-23-2015, 01:03 PM
I usually change my oil and filter once a year. Mobil 1 and a WIX filter. Going to start changing twice a year now, I drive my car less than 10,000 miles a year. I'm probably good with once a year oil and filter change though.

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 01:28 PM
So, SAUTO and others, what would it take to get the above engine back in order? $3,000? $5,000?

I'm no expert, but I do have some knowledge. I have no idea on price, Jason can answer that, but that head will have to come off, and a valve may be burnt. If a portion of a valve broke off, then there could be piston damage.

This cannot be repeated enough: the owner of that car is a fucking moron.

Old Dog
03-23-2015, 01:33 PM
Raise your hand if you've changed your oil and filter at least every 5,000 miles (usually 4,000 [but never 6,000!!!]), use Penzoil (and perhaps others!!!!), and have a vehicle that's got 200,000+ miles with no engine issues?


My Silverado crossed the 200K barrier last Thursday. I change the oil every time the idiot light comes on or every 6K miles whichever is first (normally the idiot light comes on around 5,500 it seems, but it has gone to 6K without coming on a handful of times).
I use a Fram TG and Valvoline MaxLife synthetic blend. Knock on wood, I've never had an issue other then general maintenance except for a water pump that went out a few years ago.

SAUTO
03-23-2015, 01:52 PM
I'm no expert, but I do have some knowledge. I have no idea on price, Jason can answer that, but that head will have to come off, and a valve may be burnt. If a portion of a valve broke off, then there could be piston damage.

This cannot be repeated enough: the owner of that car is a fucking moron.

i would never do a repair on that engine.


its done. if it looks like that in the upper end what does the lower end look like?


throw it away and get another

SAUTO
03-23-2015, 01:54 PM
I've had many a battle with my Dad over Pennzoil. However, in the early 90's, my wife was driving a '87 Toyota Tercel that she had bought new. She pretty much only drove it to work in town - about 6 miles a day round trip - and she drives like a granny. The Tercel started to run rough and the mileage went from the low 30's down to about 20 mpg. We had a mechanic look at it.

He told us the oil had sludged up (I saw it - looked like jello) because of the Pennzoil and the short trips. He claimed there was paraffin in the oil and we weren't getting the engine hot enough to keep it flowing. He suggested we changed to a different brand of oil or started getting the car up to highway speeds occasionally. We changed to Havoline without changing driving habits and never had another problem. :shrug:

I know it's a hotly contested theory but it seemed to be our experience. Pennzoil is probably perfectly fine for the average driver but it didn't work in our situation.


quaker state is about the same. and ive torn down a metric shit ton of engines.

GloryDayz
03-23-2015, 02:34 PM
Absolutely. Been doing my own since my dad showed me how to when I was a teenager.

10,000 on Mobil 1 and I change the filter every 5000.

You change the filter and not the oil at 5,000?

GloryDayz
03-23-2015, 02:36 PM
My Silverado crossed the 200K barrier last Thursday. I change the oil every time the idiot light comes on or every 6K miles whichever is first (normally the idiot light comes on around 5,500 it seems, but it has gone to 6K without coming on a handful of times).
I use a Fram TG and Valvoline MaxLife synthetic blend. Knock on wood, I've never had an issue other then general maintenance except for a water pump that went out a few years ago.

Hmmmmmm, maybe it's just a Silverado thing.... I agree, changing the oil in mine seems to be the cats-ass in terms of awesomeness...

penguinz
03-23-2015, 03:00 PM
You change the filter and not the oil at 5,000?Filter will get clogged long before the Synthetic oil needs to be changed.

GloryDayz
03-23-2015, 03:20 PM
Filter will get clogged long before the Synthetic oil needs to be changed.

I agree, but while I'm under the truck/car, I guess I've always just drained the oil and went with new.

LOL, maybe they need a 10,000 mile filter...

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 03:25 PM
You change the filter and not the oil at 5,000?

Yep, I've done it for years, and what Penguinz said.

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 03:35 PM
i would never do a repair on that engine.


its done. if it looks like that in the upper end what does the lower end look like?


throw it away and get another

Gotcha.

I didn't think about the bottom end. I bet there is sludge in the oil pan. I'm wondering is the pick up was clogged or at least headed that way.

Brock
03-23-2015, 04:51 PM
One of the first jobs I ever had was as a clean up man at a giant gm dealership in the service department, mopping bays between jobs, throwing away trash, stuff like that. One of the things I remember about that place was that every mechanic had at least one can of Marvel Mystery Oil on his tool box. Anybody know what that stuff would be good for? Anybody ever use it?

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 05:03 PM
One of the first jobs I ever had was as a clean up man at a giant gm dealership in the service department, mopping bays between jobs, throwing away trash, stuff like that. One of the things I remember about that place was that every mechanic had at least one can of Marvel Mystery Oil on his tool box. Anybody know what that stuff would be good for? Anybody ever use it?

It can be used in the crankcase and in the gas tank.

Supposed to keep things clean. I've never used it.

Change your oil like you're supposed to, and don't run your fuel tank on empty and you'll be okay, for the most part. Mine rarely gets below 1/4.

MahiMike
03-23-2015, 05:16 PM
My car uses synthetic oil and it's supposed to only be changed once every 10,000 miles. It makes me really nervous and I keep asking the dealer if it's time to replace it.

I know. Me too. I just can't bring myself to wait that long.

SAUTO
03-23-2015, 05:23 PM
One of the first jobs I ever had was as a clean up man at a giant gm dealership in the service department, mopping bays between jobs, throwing away trash, stuff like that. One of the things I remember about that place was that every mechanic had at least one can of Marvel Mystery Oil on his tool box. Anybody know what that stuff would be good for? Anybody ever use it?

Lots of guys use it for air tool oil.

Brock
03-23-2015, 05:25 PM
Lots of guys use it for air tool oil.

Oh yeah, that's probably it.

R8RFAN
03-23-2015, 05:33 PM
8k full castrol synthetic

Donger
03-23-2015, 05:44 PM
I'm still trying to convince my Dad that he doesn't need to re-fill his tires on his Honda with nitrogen.

Me: Dad, you don't have to use nitrogen to re-fill your tires. It's a fucking rip-off. Compressed air is mostly nitrogen anyway. You're a fucking engineer, for God's sake!

Dad: Yes, BUT IT'S IN THE MANUAL!!

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 05:47 PM
I'm still trying to convince my Dad that he doesn't need to re-fill his tires on his Honda with nitrogen.

Me: Dad, you don't have to use nitrogen to re-fill your tires. It's a fucking rip-off. Compressed air is mostly nitrogen anyway. You're a fucking engineer, for God's sake!

Dad: Yes, BUT IT'S IN THE MANUAL!!

LOL

ThaVirus
03-23-2015, 06:25 PM
It can be used in the crankcase and in the gas tank.



Supposed to keep things clean. I've never used it.



Change your oil like you're supposed to, and don't run your fuel tank on empty and you'll be okay, for the most part. Mine rarely gets below 1/4.


What kinds of problems does running on low fuel lead to?

Frosty
03-23-2015, 06:29 PM
What kinds of problems does running on low fuel lead to?

It can cause the fuel pump to overheat on some vehicles.

SLAG
03-23-2015, 06:35 PM
I usually go to Firestone and have them do a Synthetic Kendall Blend on my 03' Suburban with 217k Miles - every 3k-5k miles - I try to keep it closer to 3k because of the high mileage - it leaks some oil out the rear main too but not too bad really

I also use the Firestone Synthetic Blend on the 07 Silverado with 84k miles - no complaints so far.

I did just buy a 03' SAAB with 104k miles and Plan to only use Mobil 1 Synthetic as that is what is suggested when I pop the hood.

Any complaints with my plan?

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 06:35 PM
What kinds of problems does running on low fuel lead to?

What Frosty said. Plus, you risk pulling sediment from the bottom of the tank.

Most people don't know that gasoline serves as a coolant and lubricant for the pump.

Frosty
03-23-2015, 06:36 PM
I usually go to Firestone and have them do a Synthetic Kendall Blend on my 03' Suburban with 217k Miles - every 3k-5k miles - I try to keep it closer to 3k because of the high mileage - it leaks some oil out the rear main too but not too bad really

I also use the Firestone Synthetic Blend on the 07 Silverado with 84k miles - no complaints so far.

I did just buy a 03' SAAB with 104k miles and Plan to only use Mobil 1 Synthetic as that is what is suggested when I pop the hood.

Any complaints with my plan?

Other than buying the Saab?

Frosty
03-23-2015, 06:38 PM
What Frosty said. Plus, you risk pulling sediment from the bottom of the tank.

Most people don't know that gasoline serves as a coolant and lubricant for the pump.

When I had my Silverado, I read quite a bit how it was easy to burn up the fuel pump by consistently running under a quarter tank so I always filled it when it got to a quarter. I haven't read that it's an issue with my Sube so I generally run it 'til the fuel light comes on and then fill it. :shrug:

Bugeater
03-23-2015, 06:43 PM
It can cause the fuel pump to overheat on some vehicles.
Or on a Dodge Dakota, it makes the transmission not want to shift out of first gear. Weirdest thing ever.

Frosty
03-23-2015, 06:43 PM
Or on a Dodge Dakota, it makes the transmission not want to shift out of first gear. Weirdest thing ever.

Sounds like a slow trip to the gas station

Bugeater
03-23-2015, 06:47 PM
Sounds like a slow trip to the gas station
You have no idea, it's annoying as fuck when it happens, especially if I have to go on to a busy street to get to a gas station. I know better than to let it get that low but sometimes I get busy and don't pay attention and it stings me.

BigMeatballDave
03-23-2015, 06:59 PM
Or on a Dodge Dakota, it makes the transmission not want to shift out of first gear. Weirdest thing ever.

Yeah, that's really odd.

Couch-Potato
03-23-2015, 07:29 PM
Damn! I owned an Audi 5 years back and cannot believe this pic! ...My audi was constantly in the shop and the transmission didn't make it to 80k+ miles. Hard to believe the driver went that long without any issues!?!?!?

SAUTO
03-23-2015, 07:32 PM
Or on a Dodge Dakota, it makes the transmission not want to shift out of first gear. Weirdest thing ever.

Dude... I just fought a dodge 2500 diesel twelve rounds for fucked up issues like this.

I won by ko but GOD DAMN it put up a hell of a fight

lewdog
03-23-2015, 07:40 PM
Had no idea you shouldn't run gas tank near empty for that reason on fuel pump. I never let mine get below 1/4 anyway but that's because of my OCD.

Perineum Ripper
03-23-2015, 09:13 PM
My grandpa and dad always told me that it is easier to keep the top half of the tank full rather than both halves..they said so you don't have to pay as much each fill up and you won't burn up your fuel pump

RedDread
03-23-2015, 11:00 PM
I do changes every 5K with full snyth and Oil Filter every 10K. Am I wasting cash?

penguinz
03-23-2015, 11:03 PM
I do changes every 5K with full snyth and Oil Filter every 10K. Am I wasting cash?
Oil will last longer than filter will.

BigMeatballDave
03-24-2015, 12:30 AM
I do changes every 5K with full snyth and Oil Filter every 10K. Am I wasting cash?

Yeah, you should flip your method.

Baby Lee
03-24-2015, 12:40 AM
My gramps retired from Mobil [repairman on the locomotive line in MO Bottoms], so every car since forever has been Mobil1 with Mobil1 filters. Filter change between 3-5K, full change @15-17K.

All Chevy [V8 EFI] and Pontiac [SC 3.8 V6].

'Merka, fuck yeah!!