**** OFFICIAL 2015-2016 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ****

[Reerun_KC]

Regular Season
FRI, NOVEMBER 13 NORTHERN COLORADO, W 109-72
TUE, NOVEMBER 17 MICHIGAN STATE, L 73-79
MON, NOVEMBER 23 CHAMINADE, W 123-72
TUE, NOVEMBER 24 UCLA, W 92-73
WED, NOVEMBER 25 VANDERBILT, W 70-63
TUE, DECEMBER 1 LOYOLA (MD.), W 94-61
SAT, DECEMBER 5 HARVARD, W 75-69
WED, DECEMBER 9 HOLY CROSS, W 92-59
SAT, DECEMBER 12 OREGON STATE, W 82-67
SAT, DECEMBER 1 MONTANA, W 88-46
TUE, DECEMBER 22 SAN DIEGO STATE, W 70-57
TUE, DECEMBER 29 UC IRVINE, W 78-53
SAT, JANUARY 2 BAYLOR, W 102-74
MON, JANUARY 4 OKLAHOMA, W 109-106 (3 OT)
SAT, JANUARY 9 TEXAS TECH, W 69-59
TUE, JANUARY 12 WEST VIRGINIA, L 63-74
SAT, JANUARY 16 TCU, W 70-63
TUE, JANUARY 19 6 P.M. OKLAHOMA STATE, L 67-86
SAT, JANUARY 23 1 P.M. TEXAS, W 76-67
MON, JANUARY 25 8 P.M. IOWA STATE, L 72-85
SAT, JANUARY 30 6 P.M. KENTUCKY, W 90-84
WED, FEBRUARY 3 8 P.M. KANSAS STATE, W 77-59
SAT, FEBRUARY 6 11 A.M., TCU, W 75-56
TUE, FEBRUARY 9 6 P.M. WEST VIRGINIA, W 75-65
SAT, FEBRUARY 13 1 P.M. OKLAHOMA, W 76-72
MON, FEBRUARY 15 8 P.M. OKLAHOMA STATE, W 94-67
SAT, FEBRUARY 20 5 P.M. KANSAS STATE, W 72-63
TUE, FEBRUARY 23 7 P.M. BAYLOR, W 66-60
SAT, FEBRUARY 27 11 AM,. TEXAS TECH, W 67-58
MON, FEBRUARY 29 8 P.M. TEXAS, W 86-56
SAT, MARCH 5 3 PM IOWA STATE, W 85-78

Big 12 Tournament

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[Bambi]

so, so lovely

[Braincase]

Thank you. Definitely worse ways to start off this thread.

[BWillie]

Should be preseason Top 5.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Should be preseason Top 5.

Top 2. Zona is losing guys, not sure what's gonna happen to UK, Duke's front line is gone. I think KU and Virginia will be the top 2.

[Reerun_KC]

Top 2. Zona is losing guys, not sure what's gonna happen to UK, Duke's front line is gone. I think KU and Virginia will be the top 2.

We need some nasty inside presences before we can be top 2...

I say at least #5.

[BWillie]

Top 2. Zona is losing guys, not sure what's gonna happen to UK, Duke's front line is gone. I think KU and Virginia will be the top 2.
What about Carolina and UK?

Where the Harrisons gonna go? Nobody is drafting them in the Top 20

[Imon Yourside]

You know what? Selden has started every game of his career that he was healthy, we need to light a fire under him and have him coming off the bench. Priority #1 give those minutes to Svi or someone else.

Also I wonder if scheduling heavy and having the #1 sos isn't a good thing. I remember when Mighigan state was doing that and their teams were less than stellar the few years that happened.

[RustShack]

Should be preseason Top 5.

Iowa State SHOULD be Top 5, especially if we get Diallo. But after being upset early this year I wouldn't be surprised if it's only Top 10.

WILL be a 1 or 2 seed in next years Tournament though, and you can take that to the bank.

[CoMoChief]

KU won't amount to shit until they get some bigs down low that can be difference makers on the defensive end.

[jimidollar]

Goddamn it! The first page of the new thread and it's already ruined. Start a new one.

[bdj23]

Iowa State SHOULD be Top 5, especially if we get Diallo. But after being upset early this year I wouldn't be surprised if it's only Top 10.

WILL be a 1 or 2 seed in next years Tournament though, and you can take that to the bank.

Already?

BTW - you aren't getting Diallo

[ArrowheadHawk]

Is this an Iowa state thread. What the fuck?

[Prison Bitch]

Don't feed that idiot troll

[Chiefs Pantalones]

We need some nasty inside presences before we can be top 2...

I say at least #5.

I'm basing the top 2 prediction on Self landing one, maybe two, but definitely one.

Players are also gonna get recruited over likely and/or forced out. Word on the street Greene may be one of them.

Majority of the top recruits haven't committed yet and nearly all or all of them exactly have KU high on their list. At the end of it KU will be sitting pretty again.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

What about Carolina and UK?

Where the Harrisons gonna go? Nobody is drafting them in the Top 20

UNC might be on probation and a postseason ban by next year anyway so I didn't even look at their class or potential players coming back. They're about to get dealt with, worse than Syracuse, by the NCAA.

As for the Harrisons there comes a point when a prospect has to decide if he wants to stay in school just to stay. Once they get word from people that their stock is at a standstill it's just wise to go ahead and declare for the draft unless you really like the company of Calipari lol. That happened to Nick Johnson of Zona last year. They told him your stock isn't changing (of course workouts pending but yeah) so declare if you want, but another year won't change draft stock.

[Ceej]

I will echo the sentiment that we need a big man this year, in the worst way.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@JayhawkSlant: Bill Self and Norm Roberts will check-in on 5 star PF .@cheick_diallo13 tomorrow (Wednesday). #kubball

[Prison Bitch]

@JayhawkSlant: Bill Self and Norm Roberts will check-in on 5 star PF .@cheick_diallo13 tomorrow (Wednesday). #kubball

That stench we're all smelling is coming from Rusty shitting his britches.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

That stench we're all smelling is coming from Rusty shitting his britches.

Lol speaking of IStransferU, Clayton Custer is transferring.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

IStransferU will meet with him on Thursday as well as St. John's. Cheick met with Pittsburgh on Monday.

Right now, according to 247sports, KU is in the lead for Diallo.

[RustShack]

That stench we're all smelling is coming from Rusty shitting his britches.

Fred is visiting him and his teammate Thursday. They share the same guardian and Iowa State is his personal choice for them. Obviously it comes down to their own decisions, but we are for sure in the mix.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Marcus Foster dismissed from KSU per release from KSU

[Silock]

I'd take him.

[KC_Connection]

I'd dump Selden for him.

[Silock]

I'd dump Selden for him.

Nah, but I'd dump Greene for him.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

KSU is losing its top 4 guys in minutes played from last season, all 3 double digit scoring guys, and its two best rebounders. Yikes. They're gonna be Texas Tech next year, but purple.

[saphojunkie]

Will someone ban that fucking ISU cunt from this thread? Fuck me, what a worthless piece of shit.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Since the season is over I was looking at recruiting. KU is still on like 6 5 Star kids. Got to think that Bill will land one or two.

[Buehler445]

KSU is losing its top 4 guys in minutes played from last season, all 3 double digit scoring guys, and its two best rebounders. Yikes. They're gonna be Texas Tech next year, but purple.

I thought Gipson was a Junior.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I thought Gipson was a Junior.

No he's gone. He was a senior.

[KC_Connection]

Nah, but I'd dump Greene for him.
Either/or.

[Buehler445]

No he's gone. He was a senior.

Oh shit. Oh SHIT. They're boned.

You know, I have a lot of respect for Gipson. He came in as a linebacker playing basketball, but despite his coaching he turned himself into a really nice player. He was getting minutes as a linebacker, he could have stayed a linebacker, but worked hard (obviously) to become a basketball player.

He ended up a player I would have like to have on my team.

[RustShack]

Will someone ban that fucking ISU cunt from this thread? Fuck me, what a worthless piece of shit.

I'm surprised how many girls post on here. Your time of the month princess? Or are you just that afraid of Iowa State that you want to cower under your blanket and pretend it isn't real?

[Buehler445]

Iowa State SHOULD be Top 5, especially if we get Diallo. But after being upset early this year I wouldn't be surprised if it's only Top 10.

WILL be a 1 or 2 seed in next years Tournament though, and you can take that to the bank.

But 15 was next year I thought?

But last year the next year guy guaranteed that this year would be next year last year. So it's now next year is next year this year and next year will be this year because it was next year last year, or will it be next year again next year even thought it was next year this and that would be last year's next year that year?

[RustShack]

I've said we'd be better every year, correct. And we've gotten better every year, soo?

[Silock]

I'm surprised how many girls post on here. Your time of the month princess? Or are you just that afraid of Iowa State that you want to cower under your blanket and pretend it isn't real?

Nobody's scared; they're just tired of your drivel.

[KCCHIEFS27]

Since the season is over I was looking at recruiting. KU is still on like 6 5 Star kids. Got to think that Bill will land one or two.

In your opinion, where do we get the scholarships to offer anymore recruits? Cliff is probably gone...oubre? Someone transfers out?

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Will someone ban that ****ing ISU **** from this thread? **** me, what a worthless piece of shit.

he was baited, though...

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

I've said we'd be better every year, correct. And we've gotten better every year, soo?

So... going from 28-8 and sweet 16 last year to 25-9 with a first round exit is better? Am I missing something?

[Imon Yourside]

In your opinion, where do we get the scholarships to offer anymore recruits? Cliff is probably gone...oubre? Someone transfers out?

Unfortunately I think Greene will get the Crider treatment, I really do like him but he needs better handles.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

In your opinion, where do we get the scholarships to offer anymore recruits? Cliff is probably gone...oubre? Someone transfers out?

We only had 11 scholarship players this year after Frankamp bailed last minute, keeping 2 in the pocket.

With Bragg coming in, and no one leaving, we'd still have 1 to give. Assuming the likeliness of losing Cliff, Oubre and possibly one more due to attrition.... there is more than plenty to go around... Possibly another 3-4 schollies to fill.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Unfortunately I think Greene will get the Crider treatment, I really do like him but he needs better handles.
Self has never had a problem making room in the past.

[Imon Yourside]

Self has never had a problem making room in the past.

Yes, remember Gallindo? whatever happened to him?

[Reerun_KC]

This here is the best Rusty post ever . Every time Rusty posts anything basketball related this is all I hear and read .


"But last year the next year guy guaranteed that this year would be next year last year. So it's now next year is next year this year and next year will be this year because it was next year last year, or will it be next year again next year even thought it was next year this and that would be last year's next year that year?"

[KC native]

Pre-season top 5.
Another early NCAA tournament exit.

:evil:

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Pre-season top 5.
Another early NCAA tournament exit.

:evil:

6 out of 9 years in the S16 alone is not a trend of early tournament exits. But keep trolling, it's funny.

[silver5liter]

6 out of 9 years in the S16 alone is not a trend of early tournament exits. But keep trolling, it's funny.

They try so hard, its cute.

[Imon Yourside]

6 out of 9 years in the S16 alone is not a trend of early tournament exits. But keep trolling, it's funny.

KU sux, TCU is where it's at.

[KC native]

KU sux, TCU is where it's at.

This guy gets it.

[KC native]

6 out of 9 years in the S16 alone is not a trend of early tournament exits. But keep trolling, it's funny.

Wichita State is the premier basketball program in the state of Kansas.

[Imon Yourside]

This guy gets it.

Yes, I know you are trolling. :D

I dunno if you will get any bites here though.

[RustShack]

It was nice of Self to thank Iowa State after his loss to Wichita State.

[Ceej]

Rumor is Self is on the road doing some recruiting and Cheick Diallo is his first stop.

[BWillie]

Wichita State is the premier basketball program in the state of Kansas.

Wichita State, a tradition since 2012.

[BWillie]

Rumor is Self is on the road doing some recruiting and Cheick Diallo is his first stop.

I'll admit, I don't know as much about the prospects as alot of you. Haven't really seen video of him or anything, but what I have read says he is an elite shot blocker and one of if not the best in the class despite only being 6-9

[BWillie]

Fred is visiting him and his teammate Thursday. They share the same guardian and Iowa State is his personal choice for them. Obviously it comes down to their own decisions, but we are for sure in the mix.

Why would you want Freddy to get any recruits? Iowa State hasn't had very good luck with Top 100 recruits. You guys seem better off just taking transfers and dbags that were kicked off of their team.

[RustShack]

Why would you want Freddy to get any recruits? Iowa State hasn't had very good luck with Top 100 recruits. You guys seem better off just taking transfers and dbags that were kicked off of their team.

Huh? This is completely false. Sure he jump started the program with transfers, but Royce White and Chris Allen were the only two kicked from their previous teams... And they were awhile ago. He will only get better with the better recruits he gets. But Ejim, Niang, Morris, Naz, and so on have been pretty solid recruits for him.

[RustShack]

Oh and its a trend a lot of schools are starting to copy, so yeah Fred's doing something right.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Pre-season top 5.
Another early NCAA tournament exit.

:evil:

I actually believe KC Native is envious of other schools actually making the tournament. Or am I mistaken?

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Oh and its a trend a lot of schools are starting to copy

The gift that keeps on giving. :clap:

[KC native]

I actually believe KC Native is envious of other schools actually making the tournament. Or am I mistaken?

You are mistaken.

[BWillie]

Huh? This is completely false. Sure he jump started the program with transfers, but Royce White and Chris Allen were the only two kicked from their previous teams... And they were awhile ago. He will only get better with the better recruits he gets. But Ejim, Niang, Morris, Naz, and so on have been pretty solid recruits for him.

I guess Jameel Mckay doesn't count.

[Buehler445]

I guess Jameel Mckay doesn't count.

Don't bother talking facts with rust. I reposted my refutation of his statement that ISU doesn't rely on the three like 5 times and he has yet to respond to it. He prefers to live in his own little world, devoid of pesky facts.

[RustShack]

I guess Jameel Mckay doesn't count.

What team did he get kicked off of?

[RustShack]

Oh that's right, he didn't.

[RustShack]

DeAndre Kane? Nope. He graduated and left for a better team. You do know guys can transfer without being booted right? Dipshits

[Buehler445]

Oh that's right, he didn't.

Why won't you respond to my refutation of your assertion that ISU doesn't rely on the three That I've posted in a bunch of different threads?

[RustShack]

But hey we can stick with what you kids want to believe. It we wanna stick to that lie, it's even more impressive that Fred can handle players that no one else can.

[Buehler445]

But hey we can stick with what you kids want to believe. It we wanna stick to that lie, it's even more impressive that Fred can handle players that no one else can.

Like you stick with the lie that ISU doesn't rely on the three?

[RustShack]

Why won't you respond to my refutation of your assertion that ISU doesn't rely on the three That I've posted in a bunch of different threads?

Did Iowa State scoring more points on Kansas in the paint than any other team(three times) come from the three? Oh wait no that came from the paint.

[Chiefspants]

DeAndre Kane? Nope. He graduated and left for a better team. You do know guys can transfer without being booted right? Dipshits

You realize he said transfers AND players who had been booted from other teams, right? Meaning these two notions are in separate categories.

[RustShack]

You realize he said transfers AND players who had been booted from other teams, right? Meaning these two notions are in separate categories.

Maybe you didn't read what I said next, which isn't surprising because I have noticed over the years you guys struggle with reading comprehension.

[Buehler445]

Did Iowa State scoring more points on Kansas in the paint than any other team(three times) come from the three? Oh wait no that came from the paint.

I addressed that below. Don't forget to add in the percentage you shot in your first round playoff loss. K Thx.

3PA, 2PA, % of shots taken as 3:

ISU: 703, 1908, 26.9%
KU: 528, 1869, 22.0%
BU: 607, 1831 24.9%
KSU: 421, 1593 20.9%
OU: 629, 1874 25.1%
OSU: 618, 1607 27.7%
TCU: 459, 1809 20.2%
UT: 607, 1787 25.3%
TT: 742, 1610 31.1%
WVU: 669, 1975 25.3%

You jack up a bunch of threes. Just because KU doesn't have fuckall to stop 1. OREB, 2. Fast Breaks, 3. 1 on 1 doesn't mean you don't jack a bunch of threes and rely pretty heavily on them. So the only teams that jack a higher % of 3s than you is a team that has Travis Ford as majority of it's firepower and a shit ass team who's offense is to hold the ball and run the shot clock out. They're going to shoot a lot of threes. The only team that actually put up more attempts than you is the shitty team that wants to run the clock out.

WVU that has mostly guard talent? Shoots 3s less often than ISU.

TCU that also employs the hold the ball theory? Shoots 3s less often than ISU.

OU who has also has a bunch of guards and fuckall inside other than sometimes Spangler? Shoots 3s less often than ISU.

KU who starts the worst fucking bigs in Selfs tenure? Shoots 3s less often than you.

Now lets look at when you lose.
Maryland 22.2%
vs. SCU 5.6% (WTF?)
@ BU 52.6%
@ TT 19.4%
@ KU 33.3%
@ OU 48.3%
vs. BU 25.0%
@KSU 40.7%

So all of your bad losses (at home vs Baylor, at TT, South Carolina and Maryland), what do you know you shot a bad percentage.

The losses where you still shot well, were against good teams with maybe the exception of KSU, but they were playing good ball in that stretch, but you can argue you fucked that one off, sure.

Lets look at your wins vs ranked opponents.
vs. Arkansas 52.6%
@ Iowa 44.4% - You told us Iowa was REALLY GOOD, so I included this one.
@ WVU 35.3%
vs. KU 45.0%
@ UT 42.9%
vs WVU 37.5%
vs OU 36.8%
B 12 UT 45.5%
B 12 OU 36.8%
B 12 KU 12.5%

So you didn't shoot below your average 36.5% in ANY of those games (@ WVU was real close) with the notable exception of KU yesterday, at which point Hoiberg realized we couldn't stay in front of an old grandma cow, chucked his offense out the window and went 1 on 1 and happened to win.

So tell me again that ISU winning doesn't rely on the 3 ball...

[Chiefspants]

Maybe you didn't read what I said next, which isn't surprising because I have noticed over the years you guys struggle with reading comprehension.

LMAO Engage in whatever form of cognitive dissonance you want, brah.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

IStransferU

[Chiefs Pantalones]

MU and KSU will win a national title before IStransferU does.

[RustShack]

Yeah we missed having a player like to who like to drive to the hoop, good thing we will be adding that back next year with Burton and Williams. Even Cooke can drive as a combo guard, but he's a much much better three point shooter.

Next year will be a hell of a lot more exciting, especially if we get Diallo among others. Buckle up ladies, next year is finally the year you fall.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Yeah we missed having a player like to who like to drive to the hoop, good thing we will be adding that back next year with Burton and Williams. Even Cooke can drive as a combo guard, but he's a much much better three point shooter.

Next year will be a hell of a lot more exciting, especially if we get Diallo among others. Buckle up ladies, next year is finally the year you fall.

Will it finally be the year next year then? Man that's so scary if so.

[RustShack]

Will it finally be the year next year then? Man that's so scary if so.

We were capable of it this year, but they thought their shit didn't stink and over looked way too many teams. We return most of the team and they will have a chip on their shoulders next year. Not to mention more experience, and adding more talent.

[Lzen]

Stop feeding the troll!

[jimidollar]

Can someone start an ISU thread so we can talk about KU?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

After rumors of Brannen Greene's transfer from KU, his father Jeffrey had this to say:

“There’s no way in hell we’re leaving”

[Buehler445]

After rumors of Brannen Greene's transfer from KU, his father Jeffrey had this to say:

“There’s no way in hell we’re leaving”

Better start working on the D then boss.

[Prison Bitch]

After rumors of Brannen Greene's transfer from KU, his father Jeffrey had this to say:

“There’s no way in hell we’re leaving”

http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/GIF-disgust-not-funny-Jim-Carrey-Liar-Liar-GIF.gif

[Reerun_KC]

ROFL @ Rusty.

[Saul Good]

Can someone start an ISU thread so we can talk about KU?

I'll start one next year.

[Reerun_KC]

I'll start one next year.

Cause today we all are booclones?

[Buehler445]

Can someone start an ISU thread so we can talk about KU?

Done

[ROYC75]

Can someone start an ISU thread so we can talk about KU?

Now that would be funny!

Maybe HOF material?

[Saul Good]

Cause today we all are booclones?

Because when it comes to Iowa State, it's always next year.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

According to reports, John Calipari "desperately" wants to coach in the NBA again.

The Nets are rumored to be ready to make a run at him. Second stint there, first one didn't go so well.

[Ceej]

After rumors of Brannen Greene's transfer from KU, his father Jeffrey had this to say:

“There’s no way in hell we’re leaving”

Doesn't discount the fact that he could enter the NBDL draft or go to Europe.

Please, please, please.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@Phog_Fanatics: Bill Self is with with graduate transfer Mike Thorne of Charlotte today. Adding another veteran to next year's team could make them scary.

[Ceej]

@Phog_Fanatics: Bill Self is with with graduate transfer Mike Thorne of Charlotte today. Adding another veteran to next year's team could make them scary.

As long as he's tough and can rebound I'm definitely okay with adding him.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

As long as he's tough and can rebound I'm definitely okay with adding him.

He averaged 10 and 7 this past year. Another Tariq Black situation if we add him.

[Lzen]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=11404143&postcount=4098


As for KU I had lunch just now with my friendly informer. Lots of stuff going on inside the program and esp with staff (including the dude who just mailed in 2015) that explains why nobody gave a shit when we sucked balls this last 6 weeks. By our standards anyway

Dude, seriously? You're gonna post that and not expand on it? We want details.

[BWillie]

@Phog_Fanatics: Bill Self is with with graduate transfer Mike Thorne of Charlotte today. Adding another veteran to next year's team could make them scary.

Do not want. Theres no way he's any better than Mickelson, and the guy can't block shots even as a 6-11 guy. Not sure why Self hates Mickelson so much

[Chief_For_Life58]

Friend who grew up in Tuscaloosa bama said bama is about to offer greg marshall 25 mill 6 yrs. Bama AD met with him after game

[CoMoChief]

Friend who grew up in Tuscaloosa bama said bama is about to offer greg marshall 25 mill 6 yrs. Bama AD met with him after game

He needs to wait for texas job

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Rick Barnes stepping down as soon as Monday. And Steve Lavin is out as St. John's head coach.

[Prison Bitch]

Weird how ku fans think Barnes sucks when he only went 1 round les than Self

[BWillie]

Weird how ku fans think Barnes sucks when he only went 1 round les than Self

I like how he had a pre-season Top 5 team, that barely (and probably shouldn't of) made the NCAA Tournament. You are placing a little to much stock in how far a team goes in the tournament.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

I like how he had a pre-season Top 5 team, that barely (and probably shouldn't of) made the NCAA Tournament. You are placing a little to much stock in how far a team goes in the tournament.

There should be quite a bit of stock in tournament success, IMO. But not just from one tournament... it is a crapshoot. But given multiple opportunities - when a pattern(s) are created - a more validated interpretation can be derived. Much like baseball... you cannot judge a player by a single at bat... a single game... or even a multiple game stretch... you judge by the entire body of work.

In this case, PB is obviously trolling for a response, which he nailed with BWillie. :)

[Baby Lee]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=11404143&postcount=4098

He isn't even responding to PM requests at this point, maybe I pissed him off somewhere somehow along the line.

[rolltide2014]

Friend who grew up in Tuscaloosa bama said bama is about to offer greg marshall 25 mill 6 yrs. Bama AD met with him after game


Yep I'm hearing from a lot of people still down there that they all seem to think there's a real chance they'll get him.

[Reerun_KC]

Weird how ku fans think Barnes sucks when he only went 1 round les than Self

Since you so desperately want Bill Self fired, I am anxious to hear your replacements!

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Rick Barnes officially out at Texas as expected.

[KCCHIEFS27]

Rick Barnes officially out at Texas as expected.

I think Greg Marshall would like to have that job. He would have a decent team, recruiting would be easier than Wichita State or Alabama, and there is no way he could pass up the chance to beat KU/Bill Self on a yearly basis.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I think Greg Marshall would like to have that job. He would have a decent team, recruiting would be easier than Wichita State or Alabama, and there is no way he could pass up the chance to beat KU/Bill Self on a yearly basis.

Gregg Marshall and Shaka Smart are in the running for the job. They would be fools to say no to Texas. You're not winning a NC at WSU or VCU.

[Buehler445]

Gregg Marshall and Shaka Smart are in the running for the job. They would be fools to say no to Texas. You're not winning a NC at WSU or VCU.

If I were the chancellor at UT I'd give Marshall the blank check treatment.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

ESPN now reporting Marshall and Smart have mutually heavy interest in the opening.

[Prison Bitch]

If either go there, the coaches in the Big 12 will be just incredible. The league does need to recruit much better though.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

A change was needed. Since 2009, there have been 19 top-25 recruits from the state of Texas. The Longhorns landed just two of them (Cam Ridley, Myles Turner). Yikes.

[Mr. Laz]

If either go there, the coaches in the Big 12 will be just incredible. The league does need to recruit much better though.and still not doing shit ...

[Mr_Tomahawk]

The league just improved by Rick leaving....

[Buehler445]

The league just improved by Rick leaving....

It was remarkable how underachieving Barnes and Brown were. And they coached at the same university at the same time.

[Prison Bitch]

Mack Brown? Dude won the NC and won a few other BCS bowls. How can you call that underachieving? Compared to Nick Saban or Urban Meyer sure. But compared to the other 99% of guys, hardly.

[Buehler445]

Mack Brown? Dude won the NC and won a few other BCS bowls. How can you call that underachieving? Compared to Nick Saban or Urban Meyer sure. But compared to the other 99% of guys, hardly.

Myabe the numbers don't agree, but it seemed like he'd always dump a game they shouldn't (usually to KSU) to take themselves out of contention.

[Prison Bitch]

He stayed too long that's for sure. So did Barnes. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on where you sit) for the League, both are now gone.

[KCCHIEFS27]

Mack Brown? Dude won the NC and won a few other BCS bowls. How can you call that underachieving? Compared to Nick Saban or Urban Meyer sure. But compared to the other 99% of guys, hardly.

Wait..are you kidding? This coming from the man that complains constantly about Bill Self. The guy who has won a NC and been to the final four. Compared to 99% of the other coaches, the guy is incredible.

[cmh6476]

I wish our basketball team was good :(

[Imon Yourside]

Rick Barnes stepping down as soon as Monday. And Steve Lavin is out as St. John's head coach.

Great Lavin back to the booth, great announcer. :D

[Prison Bitch]

I wish our basketball team was good :(

KU is very good. ~12th or so in the nation out of 351 teams. They're just not a contender this year. The run Cal is on is pretty remarkable right now but they're about to take a major hit in the NBA draft.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

@BruceFeldmnCFb: BREAKING:Wichita State head coach Greg Marshall to accept the Alabama coaching job.Marshall's deal 6/$25 million. Buyout set @ 5 million

[Silock]

^ Fake Twitter account.

[Prison Bitch]

Pitino 12-1 in sweet 16s, izzo in another FF (despite having a team so pedestrian they lost to us this year) and K now 12-2 in Elite 8 games.

Poor bill self. It's all just a crapshoot

[TambaBerry]

Pitino 12-1 in sweet 16s, izzo in another FF (despite having a team so pedestrian they lost to us this year) and K now 12-2 in Elite 8 games.

Poor bill self. It's all just a crapshoot

I fully believe it's selfs system, he doesn't need the one and dones because they're not good for his system. He needs to recognize guys who are a good fit that are still highly ranked and go for them or what I wish he would do is change is offense.

[Silock]

His offense is fine. He just needs the right guys for it. Didn't have that this year. But I'm with you -- if you don't have those guys, you have to change the offense.

[Mr. Laz]

I wish our basketball team was good :(

KU is good every single year.


You just got to stop expecting elite.

25+ wins each year
competing for a conference regular season championship every year
solid in the conference tourney each year
top 15 team ranked each year
makes the ncaa tourney each year
National profile basketball school

Be happy with Marty Shott .... Bill Self, things could be much,much worse.

[Mr. Laz]

His offense is fine. He just needs the right guys for it. Didn't have that this year. But I'm with you -- if you don't have those guys, you have to change the offense.
his offense is stank ass

at least the way he runs it

Self is too predictable in just about everything he does.

Predictability allows teams with less talent to "aim" what talent they do have at a stationary target and have the best chance for an upset.

Predictability is Selfs greatest weakness and greatest strength, paradox of life.

jmo

[O.city]

Mellinger wrote a good article about it dunno if it was posted here.

Yes, this was a down year, but if this is a down year, I'd be pretty damn happy with that. Also talked about how they were expecting embiid to be dominant this year, but it happened faster than anticipated and with cliff doing what he did or didn't do, thongs just didn't work out.

Bill has also not been at Ku the length of time those guys have been where they've been, but his tourney record has been pretty solid.

[Prison Bitch]

Be happy with Marty Shott .... Bill Self, things could be much,much worse.

Not sure I get that comparison. Maybe Bobby Cox. Or Tony Dungy.

[O.city]

Not sure I get that comparison. Maybe Bobby Cox. Or Tony Dungy.

It's Laz

[KC_Connection]

I have little doubt that we're going to look back at this Ellis/Selden era as a pretty dark period in KU basketball. I'm grateful, though, that this (27 wins, B12 title, #2 seed, R32 exit) is pretty much as bad as it gets under Self. It could definitely be so much worse (and it is for basically every other coach at this level).

[Prison Bitch]

Ellis is our only good player. Without him this year, that team is a 9 seed probably. He's not a star but he's 1st team all conference. I'd say the rest of the team around him pretty much suck balls (for our standards) and that's why we're not a threat. Self hit the jackpot on AW & Embiid last year, but his recruiting the past 3-4 years outside those two has been dogshit relative to our elite peers.

[KC_Connection]

His offense is fine. He just needs the right guys for it. Didn't have that this year. But I'm with you -- if you don't have those guys, you have to change the offense.
I agree, he should have at least tried. They didn't have the personnel to play the system they did at the end there.

In theory, though, Cliff should have been the guy. Hard to plan for him not developing in that area at all. By the time we all made that realization that he wasn't going to (late February), it was probably too late to make the kind of major offensive change necessary. Without Cliff playing at a high level anyway, the ceiling of this team wasn't particularly high.

[Ceej]

Ellis is our only good player. Without him this year, that team is a 9 seed probably. He's not a star but he's 1st team all conference. I'd say the rest of the team around him pretty much suck balls (for our standards) and that's why we're not a threat. Self hit the jackpot on AW & Embiid last year, but his recruiting the past 3-4 years outside those two has been dogshit relative to our elite peers.

I think you can add Mason into those first, two sentences also.

He's going to be fun to watch his final two years.

[KC_Connection]

Ellis is our only good player. Without him this year, that team is a 9 seed probably. He's not a star but he's 1st team all conference.
That's pretty insulting to Frank Mason who had a great year. Either way, if a guy as soft and one dimensional as Perry Ellis is one of your best players, it doesn't bode well for your team's chances. I don't anticipate things getting any better next year if he carries as much responsibility again.

[Silock]

Graham is also going to be very good. Ellis isn't our ONLY good player.

[Silock]

I agree, he should have at least tried. They didn't have the personnel to play the system they did at the end there.

In theory, though, Cliff should have been the guy. Hard to plan for him not developing in that area at all. By the time we all made that realization that he wasn't going to (late February), it was probably too late to make the kind of major offensive change necessary. Without Cliff playing at a high level anyway, the ceiling of this team wasn't particularly high.

Yeah, but Cliff isn't tall enough, either. Maybe his reach is good enough.

[Prison Bitch]

I think you can add Mason into those first, two sentences also.

He's going to be fun to watch his final two years.

He's ok. He was mostly shitty vs good competition this year. I wouldn't pin my FF hopes on Frank at PG but I guess we'll have to wish for the best. If Cliff were to miraculously get eligible, KU would have a fringy top-10 team next year. I'd move Wayne to the 3 and start Graham. And run a lot more.


Self is too stubborn to ever play an up tempo system. Which is weird because his teams at Tulsa were full-court pressure. He changed drastically when he got to Illinois.

[O.city]

Have to see who they have coming in next year fIrst.

[KC_Connection]

Yeah, but Cliff isn't tall enough, either. Maybe his reach is good enough.
Not sure TRob was any taller. But his power and intensity more than made up for any size issues at the NCAA level.

[Prison Bitch]

Graham is also going to be very good. Ellis isn't our ONLY good player.

Watching these Elite 8 games, it hit home how far behind we are. We wouldn't have beaten one single team who played this weekend. And would've been blasted by most of them. Hopefully they're all stricken by massive graduations and NBA defections.

[KC_Connection]

He's ok. He was mostly shitty vs good competition this year.

Not sure what that statement is based on (if anything). He played well against plenty of good teams. In fact, KU's schedule was so tough that you can count the number of bad teams they played all year on one hand.


Self is too stubborn to ever play an up tempo system. Which is weird because his teams at Tulsa were full-court pressure. He changed drastically when he got to Illinois.
KU does play an up tempo system if you're comparing him to the rest of college basketball. They were 53rd out of 351 teams this year. And have been well above average since he arrived at KU (an average ranking of 90.3 in tempo over the 12 years).

[KC_Connection]

Of the remaining FF teams, Duke is also the only tournament team that plays at a decent pace (122nd). The rest are well below average (250 for MSU, 253 for UK, 345 for W).

[Bambi]

I agree, he should have at least tried. They didn't have the personnel to play the system they did at the end there.

In theory, though, Cliff should have been the guy. Hard to plan for him not developing in that area at all. By the time we all made that realization that he wasn't going to (late February), it was probably too late to make the kind of major offensive change necessary. Without Cliff playing at a high level anyway, the ceiling of this team wasn't particularly high.

I knew we were in trouble when I went to the Jordan Classic last year and saw this...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BljLipzCMAAmcnh.jpg:large

[Saul Good]

That's pretty insulting to Frank Mason who had a great year. Either way, if a guy as soft and one dimensional as Perry Ellis is one of your best players, it doesn't bode well for your team's chances. I don't anticipate things getting any better next year if he carries as much responsibility again.

You've overrated Mason and underrated Ellis forever. A month ago, you were laughing at anyone who said Mason wasn't the best player on the team. Perry was the best with a bullet all year.

[Silock]

Not sure TRob was any taller. But his power and intensity more than made up for any size issues at the NCAA level.

He also had Withey playing next to him.

[Saul Good]

Not sure TRob was any taller. But his power and intensity more than made up for any size issues at the NCAA level.

Robinson was worthless his Freshman year and the first half of his sophomore year.

[Buehler445]

You've overrated Mason and underrated Ellis forever. A month ago, you were laughing at anyone who said Mason wasn't the best player on the team. Perry was the best with a bullet all year.

Mason was awesome and really the only thing this team had going.

You are wrong.

[Buehler445]

Robinson was worthless his Freshman year and the first half of his sophomore year.

Oh, no. He could foul like a motherfucker.

[Saul Good]

Mason was awesome and really the only thing this team had going.

You are wrong.

Mason was playing the best ball on the team for a short stretch. That's different than being the best player on the team.

[Prison Bitch]

Mason was awesome and really the only thing this team had going.

You are wrong.

No he's not.

[Buehler445]

Graham is decent and was better at the end of the year. But this boat don't float without Frank Mason.

[KC_Connection]

You've overrated Mason and underrated Ellis forever. A month ago, you were laughing at anyone who said Mason wasn't the best player on the team.
You're still here trolling KU threads? Mason was the best player on KU for the first 3.5 months of the season until he fell off (either due to fatigue or injury). The team was an absolute mess on both ends without him on the floor so Self had to rely on him for 34 minutes a game (about 5 minutes more than either Selden/Ellis) and that predictably wore on the guy. Anyone who watched this team knows that KU would not have won much of anything without Mason's steadying presence on it. He had a great year (improved his offensive efficiency with far better FT and 3PT rates, his rebound rate, his assist rate (while reducing his turnover rate), and his defense).


Perry was the best with a bullet all year.
Perry Ellis was quite poor for about half the season (December to early February, averaging only 11.7 PPG in that 15 game stretch). Incredibly passive and soft (even more than usual). He picked his level up considerably in the WVU road game (that he unfortunately choked a breakway layup to lose in) and carried that level for the next few weeks before he got hurt. If he played with that kind of intensity for the entire season instead of just a few games, I'd have much less to criticize and this would also be no question at all. But he didn't.

[CoMoChief]

I can not stand Perry Ellis' game. I just hate pussies in the paint. He's a bigger vagina in the paint than Christian Moody. He can't leave sooner enough. The whole entire attitude of this team needs to change. They're horribly soft and play w/ no sense of urgency. None of them can penetrate to the basket and create except Mason, and the ones who are supposed to, don't (Selden)

And for those who say Mason sucks...what fucking games were you watching. He was the heart and soul of this KU team. The team simply could not run any offense w/o him on the court.

The biggest disappointment by far without question is Selden. We know what we get w/ Ellis, but Selden was supposed to be the go-to scorer, the guy everyone turns to when they need a bucket or need to make a play..he only showed up in a handful of games and was awfully quiet during the others.

[KC_Connection]

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas/2015.html

Mason led the team in win shares with 4.7 (followed by Ellis with 4.2).

Mason was also tied with Oubre for the best on the team in BPM (Plus/Minus) if you don't count Mickelson (who probably should have been played more considering his major defensive impact when in). Ellis was around the middle of the team in that.

If you don't think Mason was the best player on the team when taking into account the whole year, the advanced stats refute that. Not that you should even need them.

[KC_Connection]

Robinson was worthless his Freshman year and the first half of his sophomore year.
Of course, but he also wasn't anywhere near as highly regarded coming out of high school as Cliff was (3rd in ESPN, 4th in Rivals in the country compared 40 and 31) and wasn't expected to make the same kind of immediate impact.

[saphojunkie]

Mason is a hell of a player, and I've never been a Mason fan. But rebounding from the point guard position is one of those stats that can't be manufactured or cheated. It's a hell of an indicator. Mason is a straight up baller who is still learning the game.

Having said that, Graham is SIGNIFICANTLY more the kind of point guard I want. I find myself relaxing when he is on the court. They make a hell of a tandem, actually.

You forget that Graham was a freshman this year. He's going to go down as one of the great PG at KU, if I had to bet on it. And thank God - we need Graham to become a leader on this team, as Mason just isn't vocal enough.

This team has hit a weird spell where the best players were either quiet types, freshmen, or both. Things are going to improve exponentially over the next two years as Mason and Graham (and Lucas, frankly) have the experience needed to actually control the game.

I really believe that Lucas will end up being our Darnell Jackson. He already is showing nastiness in the paint. That's what people forget - Darnell was followed by the Morrii, who were also enforcers.

I would seriously love for Oubre to come back, because he would be an absolute tone setter for the team. But he won't. Period. All we can hope for at this point is Cliff being cleared and coming back to school, as he should.

This was a painful year, for sure, which honestly can be traced back to Cliff and Selden struggling. I really thought Selden would come out and just explode this year. More and more, it's looking like he's Travis Releford, not Brandon Rush.

Not that that's a bad thing.

[KC_Connection]

Looking at all those stats, it's actually remarkable just how bad Selden was. Even worse than I thought. What an incredible waste of talent (and minutes considering how much Self was practically forced into playing him).

[KC_Connection]

Mason is a hell of a player, and I've never been a Mason fan. But rebounding from the point guard position is one of those stats that can't be manufactured or cheated. It's a hell of an indicator. Mason is a straight up baller who is still learning the game.

Having said that, Graham is SIGNIFICANTLY more the kind of point guard I want. I find myself relaxing when he is on the court. They make a hell of a tandem, actually.

You forget that Graham was a freshman this year. He's going to go down as one of the great PG at KU, if I had to bet on it. And thank God - we need Graham to become a leader on this team, as Mason just isn't vocal enough.

I too expect Graham is going to be quite good. Maybe as soon as next year.



I really believe that Lucas will end up being our Darnell Jackson. He already is showing nastiness in the paint. That's what people forget - Darnell was followed by the Morrii, who were also enforcers.

I don't doubt his effort, but I don't see the same level of toughness there. Or even really the same athleticism.



This was a painful year, for sure, which honestly can be traced back to Cliff and Selden struggling. I really thought Selden would come out and just explode this year. More and more, it's looking like he's Travis Releford, not Brandon Rush.
I'd take Releford in a second with Selden at this point. We'd be lucky if he became that kind of a contributor.

In Travis' final year, he was one of the most efficient players in the country (shot 66% on his 2s) and a great wing defender game in and game out. Selden, in contrast, was horribly inefficient (shot a ridiculous 39% on his 2s this year) and took entire games off regularly. The odd thing with Wayne is he shot 53% on the same shots the year before, though. Such an enigma of a player.

[Prison Bitch]

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas/2015.html

Mason led the team in win shares with 4.7 (followed by Ellis with 4.2).

Mason was also tied with Oubre for the best on the team in BPM (Plus/Minus) if you don't count Mickelson (who probably should have been played more considering his major defensive impact when in). Ellis was around the middle of the team in that.

If you don't think Mason was the best player on the team when taking into account the whole year, the advanced stats refute that. Not that you should even need them.

He played 23% more min than Ellis. Adjusting for Masons minutes, Ellis' win shares would've been 5.2

[Prison Bitch]

One thing I absolutely abhor about Self is his complete indifference to ball security. It's mind numbing how terrible our teams are with the ball. And again, this year proved it: 314th in turnovers.


Duke had 3 today. THREE. Kentucky I believe had about the same. Wonder if he even knows how poorly his teams value possessions.

[Buehler445]

I too expect Graham is going to be quite good. Maybe as soon as next year.



I don't doubt his effort, but I don't see the same level of toughness there. Or even really the same athleticism.



I'd take Releford in a second with Selden at this point. We'd be lucky if he became that kind of a contributor.

In Travis' final year, he was one of the most efficient players in the country (shot 66% on his 2s) and a great wing defender game in and game out. Selden, in contrast, was horribly inefficient (shot a ridiculous 39% on his 2s this year) and took entire games off regularly. The odd thing with Wayne is he shot 53% on the same shots the year before, though. Such an enigma of a player.

Graham was a LOT better at the end of the season than even the middle. He wasn't ever bad, but if he can get even close to that level of improvement, he'll crush souls. Hopefully there is no sophomore slump.

Lucas was the only one bringing nastiness the last few games. I'm with you on the athleticism though. Depending on what is coming in, we need his size. To be fair, Aldrich wasn't some athletic freak. Now, Aldrich was far more technically sound, and at this point, there is no comparison between the two. But he doesn't need to be Aldrich to be good. In other news, I miss Darnell. I loved watching that guy play. He had so many reasons to quit, and ended up being a really good college player.

Disclaimer: I'm the biggest Releford homer there is. But to be fair, he had a different role offensively. He benefited from B-Mac and Withey drawing a fuckasston of attention, and a lot of his points came on the break (I recognize he really stepped up that portion of his game). He wasn't asked to force a score very often. However, if Selden was 75% the defender Releford was this year would have went far differently. Dude was a man machine.

On the last Jayhawk radio show, Self told a story about a recruit he visited that was unimpressed with Releford and told Self he should start over him. Self told this cat that if he told Releford not to let him touch the ball, he won't touch the ball. Kid scoffed. On his visit, he told Releford to D him up and he didn't touch the ball. I laughed. Hard.

[KC_Connection]

He played 23% more min than Ellis. Adjusting for Masons minutes, Ellis' win shares would've been 5.2
Silly argument. You could make the same one for Cliff Alexander or Kelly Oubre as they had the best win share rates on the team, but obviously nobody would do that.

Minutes are clearly a factor in how valuable a player is and there's a reason Frank played significantly more than anybody else.

[Buehler445]

One thing I absolutely abhor about Self is his complete indifference to ball security. It's mind numbing how terrible our teams are with the ball. And again, this year proved it: 314th in turnovers.


Duke had 3 today. THREE. Kentucky I believe had about the same. Wonder if he even knows how poorly his teams value possessions.

Agreed. Duke was fucking nails today.

Although, in theory, I put little credence in pure TO numbers. It depends on how the turnovers came about. If we are attacking and push too hard, that is far more acceptable than bonehead.

[KC_Connection]

Graham was a LOT better at the end of the season than even the middle. He wasn't ever bad, but if he can get even close to that level of improvement, he'll crush souls. Hopefully there is no sophomore slump.

Needs to be more disciplined with the ball, limit his defensive mistakes, and just generally be more solid in every area of his game. More reps will do that. The raw talent is there, though.


Lucas was the only one bringing nastiness the last few games. I'm with you on the athleticism though. Depending on what is coming in, we need his size. To be fair, Aldrich wasn't some athletic freak. Now, Aldrich was far more technically sound, and at this point, there is no comparison between the two. But he doesn't need to be Aldrich to be good. In other news, I miss Darnell. I loved watching that guy play. He had so many reasons to quit, and ended up being a really good college player.

Aldrich had a fire and physicality that few had (Darnell did too for that matter). Also had quite a good post game and obviously a great sense of timing on blocked shots. Other than the guy in the avatar, he might actually be my favorite KU player in the Self era now that I'm thinking about it.

And while I'd love to be positive about him, but Lucas is really lacking in a lot of those areas. The requisite skill and athleticism isn't there. For a guy of his height (6'10), he's a surprisingly poor rim protector as well. He's at least pretty good rebounder, though, so he may end up being a decent role player yet.



Disclaimer: I'm the biggest Releford homer there is. But to be fair, he had a different role offensively. He benefited from B-Mac and Withey drawing a ****asston of attention, and a lot of his points came on the break (I recognize he really stepped up that portion of his game). He wasn't asked to force a score very often. However, if Selden was 75% the defender Releford was this year would have went far differently. Dude was a man machine.

True enough, Releford had very little attention on those teams and was about to take/make a lot of easy shots as a result. He would not have been able to be as efficient on this 2015 team, that's for sure. But Selden honestly wasn't asked to do that much offensively either and he was still absolutely abysmal in what he did do.


On the last Jayhawk radio show, Self told a story about a recruit he visited that was unimpressed with Releford and told Self he should start over him. Self told this cat that if he told Releford not to let him touch the ball, he won't touch the ball. Kid scoffed. On his visit, he told Releford to D him up and he didn't touch the ball. I laughed. Hard.
Yeah and that's exactly it. Do you see that same kind of "want" in Selden? Based on these last 2 years, I don't think so.

[Buehler445]

Yeah and that's exactly it. Do you see that same kind of "want" in Selden? Based on these last 2 years, I don't think so.

Fuck no. Not close.

I did see some emotion from him a few times so maybe he can get there. Remember Releford sat for, I believe 2 years, then redshirted and came out a great player. Maybe he can get there, but with the reps he's had, I doubt it.

[Silock]

I really like Lucas. I love his fire. I love everything about him. Except his skill.

We aren't going to sniff a Final Four if he's our starter. Coming off the bench, sure. He'll grab some crucial boards and maybe D up a little bit. But he won't be scoring much and he won't block many shots and he'll foul a lot.

Hopefully I'm wrong. But I really hope he's not starting next year. I hope we have two guys MUCH more talented ahead of him. And by that, I mean Perry and 2 other guys and THEN Lucas.

[Silock]

One thing I absolutely abhor about Self is his complete indifference to ball security. It's mind numbing how terrible our teams are with the ball. And again, this year proved it: 314th in turnovers.


Duke had 3 today. THREE. Kentucky I believe had about the same. Wonder if he even knows how poorly his teams value possessions.

I don't think he doesn't care. He yanks guys for silly turnovers all the time. The problem is that our team is so young that EVERYONE was committing those turnovers. He can only yank them so many times.

I think Self got really discouraged a few games into the conference season, because he seemed to change his demeanor a bit. I think he gave up a little bit.

He'll refocus in the offseason, get a couple of recruits and come back with a fire that translates to the entire team.

And then I'll wake up :(

[Prison Bitch]

Silly argument. You could make the same one for Cliff Alexander or Kelly Oubre as they had the best win share rates on the team, but obviously nobody would do that.

Minutes are clearly a factor in how valuable a player is and there's a reason Frank played significantly more than anybody else.

Mason simply logged a ton of min. Silly is you suggesting he's superior to Ellis and not factoring the minute differential.

[Prison Bitch]

I don't think he doesn't care. He yanks guys for silly turnovers all the time. The problem is that our team is so young that EVERYONE was committing those turnovers. He can only yank them so many times.

I think Self got really discouraged a few games into the conference season, because he seemed to change his demeanor a bit. I think he gave up a little bit.

He'll refocus in the offseason, get a couple of recruits and come back with a fire that translates to the entire team.

And then I'll wake up :(

I'm not buying the youth argument. Nearly every team he's had (incl 2008) had bad turnover numbers.

[Mr. Laz]

Not sure I get that comparison. Maybe Bobby Cox. Or Tony Dungy.
people forget that Marty was a helluva coach

He believed in running a system and expecting his players to fit to his system.

No flash,trickery or much deception. He didn't think scheme or coaching tricks won or lost games. He thought you lined up and that players won by imposing their will upon the opponent. Every team knew that Marty was going to run on 1st down. They knew he was going to be conservative and play field position.

He took many a team during a 'down year' and made them into a very solid team through dedication to his scheme and sheer determination.

Marty won a ton of games with this basic approach.

A salt-of-the-earth type coach who was respected as a man as well as a coach.

consistency was his trademark

There was also a price to be paid for such scheme. He lost some top end potential to his teams to prevent any drastic lows. By fitting players to his scheme instead of the scheme to his player, you limited the highs as well as the lows. Great in the regular season but not nearly as effective against higher talent and coaching in the playoffs.

Now exchange the name Marty for Bill and the football reference for basketball and it fits almost perfectly. Yes, Self won a championship while Marty did not. Other than that they are very similar in they way they go about doing their jobs.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Myles Turner declares for the NBA draft. No shock.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

“@EvanDaniels: Bill Self will meet with Mike Thorne's parents today, per a source. Charlotte transfer. One year of eligibility and can play right away.”

[sedated]

“@EvanDaniels: Bill Self will meet with Mike Thorne's parents today, per a source. Charlotte transfer. One year of eligibility and can play right away.”

So we have 2 scholarships now and will likely have 1 or 2 more after people declare?

Use them all on bigs.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Rumors going around that Texas will make a phone call to Bill Self. Don't waste your time, Texas.

[Buehler445]

Rumors going around that Texas will make a phone call to Bill Self. Don't waste your time, Texas.

They just as well send the Brinks truck to Wichita.

[Buehler445]

So we have 2 scholarships now and will likely have 1 or 2 more after people declare?

Use them all on bigs.

So do I have this right? During 2014 we had 2 unused scholarships? And then if Cliff and Kelly declare that's the other 2, right?

[Reerun_KC]

Cliff declaring is ROFLOCOPTER worthy.....

[Buehler445]

Cliff declaring is ROFLOCOPTER worthy.....

He's going to. Ncaa won't clear him because his mom won't give up her shit (probably because she's guilty).

He can't play college ball, so he just as well declare.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

He's going to. Ncaa won't clear him because his mom won't give up her shit (probably because she's guilty).

He can't play college ball, so he just as well declare.

And he will still get drafted... that's the part that is truly funny.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Niang announces he is coming back next year. Which means next year is the year for IStransferU. Or next year. Or maybe the year after that...or the year after that.

[Buehler445]

Niang announces he is coming back next year. Which means next year is the year for IStransferU. Or next year. Or maybe the year after that...or the year after that.

:Spock:

They were thinking he was going to declare? LOLZ

[BWillie]

Niang announces he is coming back next year. Which means next year is the year for IStransferU. Or next year. Or maybe the year after that...or the year after that.

God damn it.

[Bambi]

Has there ever been a school to produce back to back ROY's?

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[Chiefs Pantalones]

We're playing Michigan State next year in the Champions Classic as we all know.

Guess who we're most likely playing in the Big 12/SEC challenge? Yep...Kentucky. We'll play them in AFH and then the following year at Rupp. Tickets are gonna be outrageous for that game. I'll be flying back in for that one.

[Bambi]

We're playing Michigan State next year in the Champions Classic as we all know.

Guess who we're most likely playing in the Big 12/SEC challenge? Yep...Kentucky. We'll play them in AFH and then the following year at Rupp. Tickets are gonna be outrageous for that game. I'll be flying back in for that one.

Where are you hearing that?

Already played Florida last couple years. Games with Kentucky are always good. Any other game with an SEC team hurts KU's image.

[Bambi]

Johnathan Williams is leaving mizzou. Should we get him and kick out Selden?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/cjzero">@cjzero</a>: Andrew Wiggins is getting nasty, pushes away the defender, head nearly rim height <a href="https://t.co/FmAzXlJ7Uk">https://t.co/FmAzXlJ7Uk</a></p>&mdash; Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/582733194811846657">March 31, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Chiefs Pantalones]

People on twitter saying Wiggs was holding back at KU. WTF? For real? Lmao

[Bambi]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/cjzero">@cjzero</a>: Andrew Wiggins is getting nasty, pushes away the defender, head nearly rim height <a href="https://t.co/FmAzXlJ7Uk">https://t.co/FmAzXlJ7Uk</a></p>&mdash; Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/582733194811846657">March 31, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

bwahahahaha! omg

[Bambi]

People on twitter saying Wiggs was holding back at KU. WTF? For real? Lmao

Other than being KU's all time leader freshman scorer LMAO

Either way it's great. Came in #1, leaving #1. Self ain't sleepin...he's out there right now. Some of these clowns on the team now need to realize what royalty they have been masquerading as this year.

See ya Greene and Selden...

[Mr_Tomahawk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Oklahoma State basketball: Sources say OSU considering buyout of men&#39;s basketball coach Travis Ford | News OK <a href="http://t.co/muglNyUMHY">http://t.co/muglNyUMHY</a></p>&mdash; MikeSherman (@MikeSherman) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeSherman/status/582740437347119107">March 31, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bambi]

lol, oh shit. Big 12 ain't playin

[Chiefs Pantalones]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Oklahoma State basketball: Sources say OSU considering buyout of men's basketball coach Travis Ford | News OK <a href="http://t.co/muglNyUMHY">http://t.co/muglNyUMHY</a></p>&mdash; MikeSherman (@MikeSherman) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeSherman/status/582740437347119107">March 31, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Big 12 teams finally singing "We ain't gonna take it, anymore!" to KU?

[Bambi]

Big 12 teams finally singing "We ain't gonna take it, anymore!" to KU?

Just two more years until the record then they can have it.

Turn attention towards more national titles.

[KC_Connection]

Mason simply logged a ton of min. Silly is you suggesting he's superior to Ellis and not factoring the minute differential.
As anybody who watched this team knows, Mason logged a ton of minutes because the team was a complete mess without him on the floor. And the plus/minus stat (where he ranks 1st) that I cited suggests as much.

[O.city]

Sucks that perry got hurt when he did. He seemed to have really turned the corner Into becoming a real stud.

Hopefully he brings that back next year.

[KC_Connection]

People on twitter saying Wiggs was holding back at KU. WTF? For real? Lmao
He wasn't finishing at the basket like that at KU, but it had nothing to do with holding back.

[Bambi]

If Ford is gone and OSU gets Self do we go after Marshall?

[KC_Connection]

If Ford is gone and OSU gets Self do we go after Marshall?
That would be a nightmare.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

If Ford is gone and OSU gets Self do we go after Marshall?

If Self goes to OSU...fuck everything lol.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

If Ford is gone and OSU gets Self do we go after Marshall?

I've heard that if and when Self ever leaves KU that Sean Miller and Tony Bennett would be on the list to replace him.

[Bambi]

I've heard that if and when Self ever leaves KU that Sean Miller and Tony Bennett would be on the list to replace him.

I've heard Sean Miller but I like it less and less everyday.

[Buehler445]

If Self goes to OSU...fuck everything lol.

I would burn down the entire Midwest. Then I'd nuke the motherfucker from orbit.

That's hang yourself from the shower head with your underwear strap kind of bad news.

[Imon Yourside]

He wasn't finishing at the basket like that at KU, but it had nothing to do with holding back.

I blame the officiating as I'm sure those would be charges in College basketball.

[Prison Bitch]

I've heard that if and when Self ever leaves KU that Sean Miller and Tony Bennett would be on the list to replace him.

Miller ain't leaving AZ.

[Mr. Plow]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/cjzero">@cjzero</a>: Andrew Wiggins is getting nasty, pushes away the defender, head nearly rim height <a href="https://t.co/FmAzXlJ7Uk">https://t.co/FmAzXlJ7Uk</a></p>&mdash; Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/582733194811846657">March 31, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great dunk.

[ROYC75]

Niang announces he is coming back next year. Which means next year is the year for IStransferU. Or next year. Or maybe the year after that...or the year after that.

Poor Rusty, filled up with so much hope and optimism. Now Niang is coming back, what will the Rusty say now?

Next year ?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Poor Rusty, filled up with so much hope and optimism. Now Niang is coming back, what will the Rusty say now?

Next year ?

Of course he is coming back.

He is a good college player but wont amount to anything in the pros...

[Chiefs Pantalones]

St. John's hires Chris Mullin. Iowa State assistant Matt Abdelmassih will join Chris Mullin's staff at St. John's. Has been big with transfers. Might play part in getting Diallo to come to St. John's.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

St. John's hires Chris Mullin. Iowa State assistant Matt Abdelmassih will join Chris Mullin's staff at St. John's. Has been big with transfers. Might play part in getting Diallo to come to St. John's.

I work with a huge clones fan who actually brought this up yesterday. He was bumming as Abdelmassih is their #1 recruiter he said.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I work with a huge clones fan who actually brought this up yesterday. He was bumming as Abdelmassih is their #1 recruiter he said.

Yep. Abdemessih has strong NY ties and STJ is pretty much Diallo's home school. Could be bad for KU.

[Baby Lee]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/cjzero">@cjzero</a>: Andrew Wiggins is getting nasty, pushes away the defender, head nearly rim height <a href="https://t.co/FmAzXlJ7Uk">https://t.co/FmAzXlJ7Uk</a></p>&mdash; Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/582733194811846657">March 31, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

At least, judging by his left hand, his freshman level etiquette class at KU had some lasting effects
.
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[Chiefs Pantalones]

Charlotte's Mike Thorne will visit KU.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Charlotte's Mike Thorne will visit KU.

We desperately need him.

[Prison Bitch]

Sure fire proof now that Cliff is gonzo. I knew he was ever since I heard the scoop about why he was sitting, but still held out hope he could return

[BWillie]

Miller ain't leaving AZ.

He might for KU, UK, Duke, UNC...

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@RecruitHawk 5 star Malik Newman on Self: "He’d help me on the defensive end and I’d have pieces around me. I think we could contend for a Final Four."
#kubball

[Ceej]

The worst part about the offseason is recruits cock teasing us.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@JayhawkSlant: Jaylen Brown has in-home visit with #KU.

[Prison Bitch]

Jaylen was just arrested (http://usatodayhss.com/2015/exclusive-all-american-jaylen-brown-talks-about-recent-arrest)this week

[Mr. Laz]

Jaylen was just arrested (http://usatodayhss.com/2015/exclusive-all-american-jaylen-brown-talks-about-recent-arrest)this week

" .... stop sign violation and for driving with a suspended license ... "



unless there is more to it, who gives a fuck about some silly shit like that?

[Reerun_KC]

Barnes is now the HC at Tennessee....

[BWillie]

If Ford is gone and OSU gets Self do we go after Marshall?

Less than 2% chance Self leaves. Tyler Self being in the middle of his college years, and on the team is good security for us.

BUT, if he does, I don't want that douchenozzle Marshall, even though he would be a fine hire. I just don't like the guy, and he isn't proven as a recruiter yet.

I'd go with 1) Rick Pitino (isn't going to happen)
2) Tom Izzo (isn't going to happen)
3) Brad Stevens (isn't going to happen)
4) Billy Donovan (very doubtful to happy)
5) Thad Matta
5) Sean Miller
6) Mike Brey
7) Bruce Pearl, Mark Turgeon, I don't know who else

[BWillie]

We desperately need him.

No, no we don't. Why do we need a big man, who can't even block shots? Count me out. If we strike out with Diallo, Maker, and virtually every other big man, maybe. But I hope it's like plan E.

If Thorne played the same amount of minutes as Landen Lucas, he would produce even less results, with less blocks and rebounds. He's probably only a slightly better scorer. He's tall, and looks the part. That's all he is.

[excessive]

Less than 2% chance Self leaves. Tyler Self being in the middle of his college years, and on the team is good security for us.

BUT, if he does, I don't want that douchenozzle Marshall, even though he would be a fine hire. I just don't like the guy, and he isn't proven as a recruiter yet.

I'd go with 1) Rick Pitino (isn't going to happen)
2) Tom Izzo (isn't going to happen)
3) Brad Stevens (isn't going to happen)
4) Billy Donovan (very doubtful to happy)
5) Thad Matta
5) Sean Miller
6) Mike Brey
7) Bruce Pearl, Mark Turgeon, I don't know who else

Danny Manning?

[TambaBerry]

I'm sorry that's an awful list

[Imon Yourside]

I'm sorry that's an awful list

Yes it is, Let's just hope Self stays. :D

[Mr. Laz]

Jerod Haase!!!

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@RecruitHawk: Cheick Diallo has said he has spoken to Joel Embiid about playing in Lawrence. Embiid had all great things to say. #kubball

[Imon Yourside]

@RecruitHawk: Cheick Diallo has said he has spoken to Joel Embiid about playing in Lawrence. Embiid had all great things to say. #kubball

and.............the courting and long arsed offseason begins. oh snap.

Oubre to the NBA draft...hope it's April fools?

[CoMoChief]

if....IF Self were to leave, it'd be for the NBA. He's not going to go to Oklahoma State, and be in the same conference as Kansas. It'd be one thing if Oklahoma State was in a different conference, then there might be a chance he'd eventually leave if enough Pickens $$$ was thrown his way. But to be in the same conference? No way.

Here's my short list of coaches who'd I want to replace Self:
1. Brad Stevens (Sure he's in the NBA coaching Boston, but how long is that going to last?) There was a lot of speculation that he's going to be the next Duke coach once Coach K retires. I dont think Coach K will retire for another handful of yrs but maybe I'm wrong. I think if Kansas came around and threw a lot of money at him and the writing's on the wall in BOS I think he'd leave.

2. Greg Marshall (He's a good coach, he's now fattened himself up to be a big fish in a small pond. He'd be stupid to go coach at Alabama..wtf wants to go there and lose? Problem is, he's gonna be hired by Texas..it's not if but when.

3. Mark Few - Kind of the same as above. Major problem here is Gonzaga is pretty much King out west other than Arizona. He's always been a west coast guy..grew up there, went to college there, and now coaches there. Who would want to leave CA or west coast for a farmtown in the midwest? I wouldn't unless the money was crazy but he's turned down large programs before He loves the outdoors in the NW, can't say I blame him.

4. Shaka Smart - yeah he just signed a long term deal but those can always be bought out. KU made this guy famous.

5. Mark Turgeon - Makes too much sense right? Well I'd rather have any of the above before settling for Turgeon. He's a good coach and continues to climb the coaching ladder in terms of prestigious jobs though. He's a Kansas guy so you know he'd care and probably wouldn't leave unless he has some deep desire to coach in the NBA.

Former KU players who are now head coaches or have head coaching experience that maybe should be on the radar for the future.

Danny Manning (not ready)
Jerodd Haase (not ready)
Jacque Vaughn (coached in the NBA but failed...would anyone be willing to accept this)

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@GaryBedore: A source within the program tells me Kelly Oubre is putting his name in the NBA Draft. We can expect official news soon. #kubball

[Buehler445]

@GaryBedore: A source within the program tells me Kelly Oubre is putting his name in the NBA Draft. We can expect official news soon. #kubball

Probably the right call. Where is he projected to go?

[Imon Yourside]

@GaryBedore: A source within the program tells me Kelly Oubre is putting his name in the NBA Draft. We can expect official news soon. #kubball

Ok i'm ready for the new NBA rules, you can either go to college for 2 or enter the draft immediately.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

@GaryBedore: A source within the program tells me Kelly Oubre is putting his name in the NBA Draft. We can expect official news soon. #kubball

Shocker....

[Imon Yourside]

Probably the right call. Where is he projected to go?

I don't think he is ready, but bottom lottery is what some are saying.

[Buehler445]

I don't think he is ready, but bottom lottery is what some are saying.

Thx. I don't blame him.

[Imon Yourside]

Thx. I don't blame him.

I don't think he will go lottery, and if he doesn't then he should come back and go top 10.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Probably the right call. Where is he projected to go?

Lottery pick. It became clear weeks ago when he was favoriting tweets of people saying he wasn't ready for the NBA. Look for KU to try and make even stronger pushes for Brown, Newman, and Ingram. Any of the 3 would make instant impact replacing Oubre obviously.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Less than 2% chance Self leaves. Tyler Self being in the middle of his college years, and on the team is good security for us.

BUT, if he does, I don't want that douchenozzle Marshall, even though he would be a fine hire. I just don't like the guy, and he isn't proven as a recruiter yet.

I'd go with 1) Rick Pitino (isn't going to happen)
2) Tom Izzo (isn't going to happen)
3) Brad Stevens (isn't going to happen)
4) Billy Donovan (very doubtful to happy)
5) Thad Matta
5) Sean Miller
6) Mike Brey
7) Bruce Pearl, Mark Turgeon, I don't know who else

Danny Manning?

Donovan is expected to give the NBA a try this year.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@RecruitHawk: Cliff Alexander expected to reach decision sometime next week. Borderline 1st round prospect right now. #kubball

Lol

[Mr. Laz]

@RecruitHawk: Cliff Alexander expected to reach decision sometime next week. Borderline 1st round prospect right now. #kubball

Lol

He's gone, can't play because of NCAA violations.

pretty much has to turn pro from what i understand

[DJJasonp]

9 points a game, and you leave for the draft......the college game is going down the tubes.

My opinion.....if you cant take over games (plural), and dominate.....you have no business declaring.

[Mr. Laz]

Alex Gold ‏@AlexGold 42m42 minutes ago
KU makes it official. Kelly Oubre will enter the 2015 NBA Draft. #kubball
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[Buehler445]

9 points a game, and you leave for the draft......the college game is going down the tubes.

My opinion.....if you cant take over games (plural), and dominate.....you have no business declaring.

This isn't new.

Julian Wright declared and got drafted first round with 12 PPG at the same position. Sure he was faster, but DAMN that dude had no muscle. Cliff's body is far closer to being ready for the NBA than Wright's was.

Look at Selby. LOL that guy is a shit sandwich if there ever was one.

You can argue Henry hasn't done fuckall, but I think that is mostly injuries.

McLemore is putting up decent numbers.

Wiggins is a stud.

Embiid was broken.

If you extend it guys that left early,

Chalmers is a solid starter

Rush 7 years in the league, as a middling player, but still 7 years is 7 years.

Robinson Traded 4 times and still on his rookie deal, but getting better than 10 minutes per game everywhere and doing some things.

Aldrich Traded 3 times last year. Hasn't done much except log some minutes on a jank ass Knicks team.

Some of these guys have done well leaving early, some have sucked nutsack. I understand the economics of leaving early. I also understand that the players may not have gotten any better at basketball if they had stayed. But this is not a new phenomenon.