Chiefs have received 4 compensatory pks

[Mr. Laz]

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71 1m1 minute ago
The #Chiefs have received 4 compensatory picks. 3rd (34-98), two 5ths (36-172 & 37-173) & one 6th (42-217)

[ChiefGator]

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71 1m1 minute ago
The #Chiefs have received 4 compensatory picks. 3rd (34-98), two 5ths (36-172 & 37-173) & one 6th (42-217)

Oh nice.. a sixth.. I thought that would be a seventh.

[JakeLV]

That third is big.

[Warrior5]

Oh nice.. a sixth.. I thought that would be a seventh.

Excellent news... I too, thought the last one would be a 7th round pick.

[MahiMike]

Two 3rd rounders? Sweet.

[the Talking Can]

Two 3rd rounders? Sweet.

.

[Dante84]

only 1

2 5ths
6th

We still have our regular 3rd.

[the Talking Can]

We still have our regular 3rd.

right....duh

[BigMeatballDave]

Two 3rd rounders? Sweet.

2 fatties. :)

[TLO]

Draft all the players

[BigChiefFan]

Time to reload. This draft coulda be and should be the foundation for years to come.

[TLO]

Time to reload. This draft coulda be and should be the foundation for years to come.

Dorsey needs to hit a home run with this draft class.

[chiefzilla1501]

Comp picks are stupid. Total waste of time. We could have had Jairus Byrd.

/ cp

[Chiefshrink]

Flexibility to do a lot of things:clap:

[Easy 6]

This is outstanding, we're looking at quite the haul... if Dorsey aces this draft we'll be sitting pretty.

[Simplicity]

another addition to the "No more excuses this year, Alex" list.

crazy

[philfree]

So how far can we trade up in the 1st with our 1st and 4th? Or 2nd and 4th? If any?

[Wilson8]

Ravens, Bengals clean up on compensatory picks

Posted by Darin Gantt on March 23, 2015, 9:24 PM EDT
AP

The annual collectors of compensatory picks are at it again.

The Ravens received three extra picks Monday, adding a pair of fourth-rounders and a fifth when the league finalized the draft order.

The Ravens have always drafted well, which keeps them from having to spend in free agency. Then when their guys leave for greener pastures, they rake in the extra picks to restock and start the process all over again.

Comp picks are awarded based on net free agency gains and losses from the previous year.

By avoiding unrestricted free agents (signing guys who were cut by teams doesn’t impact the formula), Ravens General Manager Ozzie Newsome is able to hoard the mid- to late-round picks the league doles out.

The other big winner was the Bengals, who gained an extra third and a fourth after losing defensive end Michael Johnson and tackle Anthony Collins as unrestricted free agents last year. Both were signed by the Bucs, both were cut after one year, and Johnson has since re-signed with the Bengals.

The Patriots and Chiefs also gained third-rounders.

The NFL announced the full list Monday night, at the conclusion of the day’s business at the owners meetings. Here’s a look at the full list, with round and overall pick number:
3-97, New England
3-98, Kansas City
3-99, Cincinnati
4-132, San Francisco
4-133, Denver
4-134, Seattle
4-135, Cincinnati
4-136, Baltimore
5-169, Carolina
5-170, Seattle
5-171, Baltimore
5-172, Kansas City
5-173, Kansas City
5-174, Houston
5-175, Baltimore
6-208, Denver
6-209, Seattle
6-210, Green Bay
6-211, Houston
6-212, Green Bay
6-213, Carolina
6-214, Seattle
6-215, St. Louis
6-216, Houston
6-217, Kansas City
7-250, Denver
7-251, Denver
7-252, Pittsburgh
7-253, New England
7-254, San Francisco
7-255, Indianapolis
7-256, Arizona

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Perfect. That 3rd can be used on Bryce Petty.

[Iconic]

We should trade a sixth, seventh, and fourth for another third.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bryce Petty is worth the investment for team that has TIME (+ QB coach that can teach). Steep learning curve but he&#39;s smart, tough FB player</p>&mdash; Todd McShay (@McShay13) <a href="https://twitter.com/McShay13/status/579301314947059712">March 21, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ModSocks]

2 fatties. :)

Perfect place to find two interior fatties.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Let's let a team of 30 random CPers select the last comp pick

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bryce Petty is worth the investment for team that has TIME (+ QB coach that can teach). Steep learning curve but he's smart, tough FB player</p>&mdash; Todd McShay (@McShay13) <a href="https://twitter.com/McShay13/status/579301314947059712">March 21, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sign me up.

[KChiefs1]

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71 1m1 minute ago

The #Chiefs have received 4 compensatory picks. 3rd (34-98), two 5ths (36-172 & 37-173) & one 6th (42-217)


That's some quality picks right there!

[KChiefs1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bryce Petty is worth the investment for team that has TIME (+ QB coach that can teach). Steep learning curve but he's smart, tough FB player</p>— Todd McShay (@McShay13) <a href="https://twitter.com/McShay13/status/579301314947059712">March 21, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Sign me up.

[O.city]

Petty has accuracy issues. That's not something that's easily corrected.

[MotherfuckerJones]

This is the biggest draft for this regime. Nail this with a good haul and we'll be in good shape.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Petty has accuracy issues. That's not something that's easily corrected.

Can't teach accuracy.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Petty has accuracy issues. That's not something that's easily corrected.

haven't read that...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/bryce-petty?id=2552369

CBS Sports didn't mention anything about accuracy. Walter was the only site that did...


Most concerns are that he is a system QB. Not much, if any, concern about his accuracy.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Seen path to the draft when they were at Pettys pro day. Don't remember much about accuracy as much as the concern was about Petty being in the spread system.

[alpha_omega]

Excellent news, especially the 3rd. Cmon draft day(s).

[thabear04]

Hopefully we have a good draft.

[Nickel D]

I suggest KC give that extra 3rd round pick to Bill Self so he can draft a decent 3-point shooter.

[Eleazar]

Moar offensive linemen!

[Line Judge]

Just read a draft mag today. It rated Chiefs 2014 draft a D+. Hopefully Dorsey will do better this time.

[BossChief]

Dorsey has done extremely well with his first 2 third rounders.

Kelce and Davis are the future of this offense.

[DaneMcCloud]

Just read a draft mag today. It rated Chiefs 2014 draft a D+. Hopefully Dorsey will do better this time.

LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

Dorsey has done extremely well with his first 2 third rounders.

Kelce and Davis are the future of this offense.

Don't forget about Gaines. He's a keeper.

[Dante84]

Don't forget about Gaines. He's a keeper.

Damn, that's a great point.

He's hit on all of his 3rds.

Hope he keeps that trend going.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Psyko Tek]

Oh nice.. a sixth.. I thought that would be a seventh.

this pick shall be our savior QB, unless dorsey and andy fuck it up
my magic 8 ball said so

and after I snorted the magic 8 ball, it said Megaton and the teen age mutant ninja turtle will meet the avengers only to be defeated

thus I have spoke.....

[saphojunkie]

The signing of Maclin and Grubbs seriously open up this entire draft.

Give me Maxx Williams and Nelson Agholor in the first two rounds and you can go fattie till the cows come home.

[RobBlake]

The signing of Maclin and Grubbs seriously open up this entire draft.

Give me Maxx Williams and Nelson Agholor in the first two rounds and you can go fattie till the cows come home.

that would be a great haul for the offense. Agholor has PR experience as well if I recall.. prob could be had in the third

WR- Maclin/Wilson/Agholor/Avant
TE - Kelce/Williams
WR/RB- DAT

[Direckshun]

Too early to judge the 2014 class.

I think Dee Ford is a 10 sacks a year guy. Gaines was a huge part of our #2 ranked secondary. Thomas is an electric playmaker. Murray is an unknown still. Fulton is a starter quality guard -- LDT is still a question mark.

[BlackOp]

The signing of Maclin and Grubbs seriously open up this entire draft.

Give me Maxx Williams and Nelson Agholor in the first two rounds and you can go fattie till the cows come home.

That would be a good haul but KC is paper thin at ILB....If DJ clocks significant playing time it would great but I'm not counting on him to be back 100% in 2015...if ever.

Another playmaking TE would give Andy a significant extra piece to use though. 10 new potential players + undrafted...this is year 3. Put up or shut up..

[Saccopoo]

The signing of Maclin and Grubbs seriously open up this entire draft.

Give me Maxx Williams and Nelson Agholor in the first two rounds and you can go fattie till the cows come home.

I don't get the Maxx Williams love.

[Direckshun]

People painting Maxx as a sure thing didn't watch his tape.

Williams is largely a mystery project. The offense was so goofy-tarded with a shit-ass QB running it, it's hard to tell what we have there.

You see glimpses, about once a game, where he'll make a great play. But that's all we've got. Glimpses.

[dtrain]

How the heck did Denver get four picks? :hmmm:

[Chiefnj2]

Use the regular 3rd and 4th rounder and move into the 2nd. They need to leave the first two rounds with a starting RT, WR and ILB.

[OldSchool]

The signing of Maclin and Grubbs seriously open up this entire draft.

Give me Maxx Williams and Nelson Agholor in the first two rounds and you can go fattie till the cows come home.

Why are you guys so hung up on Maxx Williams? You'd really take him in the 1st? He's a 2nd rounder at best. I actually wouldn't take any of these TEs higher than the 3rd.

[chiefzilla1501]

How the heck did Denver get four picks? :hmmm:
It is some absolute horse shit.

Basically, they gained Sanders, talib, Ward. The claim is that this haul did not justify the loss of decker, Phillips, rodgers-cromartie, mincey, Moreno, Beadles, and Woodyard. They lost more than they received but 4 picks? That is utter and complete bullshit. You shouldn't get that many picks if you spend that much money.

[ct]

Comp picks are stupid. Total waste of time. We could have had Jairus Byrd.

/ cp

pretty hilarious all the drama queens last year, insisting comp picks are a waste of time. how do they like it now? ozzy in b'more does this every single year, he's pretty much mastered the process. we won't be getting much next year after signing maclin, but these 4 extras will help us so huge!!

[The Franchise]

I don't get the Maxx Williams love.

Shitty TE class.

[Hootie]

Emmanuel Sanders alone should've netted Denver 0 comp picks

that was the steal of free agency

[TomBarndtsTwin]

It is some absolute horse shit.

Basically, they gained Sanders, talib, Ward. The claim is that this haul did not justify the loss of decker, Phillips, rodgers-cromartie, mincey, Moreno, Beadles, and Woodyard. They lost more than they received but 4 picks? That is utter and complete bullshit. You shouldn't get that many picks if you spend that much money.

This.

Supposedly the 'magical formula' also considers playing time the next season and success, and all 3 started at least 15 games for the Donks, two were named to the Pro Bowl, and Sanders was a Pro Bowl alternate.


So, yes, a load of horseshit . . . . .

[TomBarndtsTwin]

But Peyton needs all the help he can get to try and get back to the Super Bowl before he retires, so . . . . . . . .

[Mr. Laz]

another addition to the "No more excuses this year, Dorsey" list.

crazy

fyp


since ... you know, like Alex Smith isn't making any draft selections

[Titty Meat]

pretty hilarious all the drama queens last year, insisting comp picks are a waste of time. how do they like it now? ozzy in b'more does this every single year, he's pretty much mastered the process. we won't be getting much next year after signing maclin, but these 4 extras will help us so huge!!

Nobody was being a drama queen The Chiefs free agency last year was a disaster. It no doubt cost them a post season appearance.

[chiefzilla1501]

Nobody was being a drama queen The Chiefs free agency last year was a disaster. It no doubt cost them a post season appearance.
The chiefs free agency last year is exactly the reason we have comp picks this year, and had the cap flexibility to bring in maclin and Grubbs, while franchising Houston. You can't complain about last offseason then celebrate the comp picks.

Taking a step back last year is going to look like a brilliant move if they make good use of the comp picks.

[Hootie]

I don't think the Chiefs free agency was a disaster last year at all..

I don't think Dorsey or Reid wanted to make any sort of splash in free agency

I think they realized they weren't going to contend against Denver and that they were better suited building for 2015 and beyond

I can't fault them for having a plan and sticking to it. In fact, if we knock one out of the park in this draft we may very well end up with one of the top 5 or 6 most talented teams in the NFL

[Mile High Mania]

It is some absolute horse shit.

Basically, they gained Sanders, talib, Ward, Ware. The claim is that this haul did not justify the loss of decker, Phillips, rodgers-cromartie, mincey, Moreno, Beadles, and Woodyard. They lost more than they received but 4 picks? That is utter and complete bullshit. You shouldn't get that many picks if you spend that much money.

So, teams should be penalized for being competitive? (and you forgot they added Ware) I don't understand the method really behind the madness with this process, but Denver rarely gets comp picks.

Man, wait until next year after losing what they lost this off-season.

[The Franchise]

So, teams should be penalized for being competitive? I don't understand the method really behind the madness with this process, but Denver rarely gets comp picks.

Man, wait until next year after losing what they lost this off-season.

I'm thinking at least a 3rd and a 4th....if not two 3rds for Franklin and Thomas.

[Hootie]

well the good thing about having Peyton Manning at QB is he tends to make EVERYONE around him better ... so when the Broncos lose a WR or an OL or a pass rushing specialist who is only good when his team has a lead ... it's going to lead to inflated free agency contracts for overrated players which, in turn, will lead to a lot of comp picks

[Easy 6]

well the good thing about having Peyton Manning at QB is he tends to make EVERYONE around him better ... so when the Broncos lose a WR or an OL or a pass rushing specialist who is only good when his team has a lead ... it's going to lead to inflated free agency contracts for overrated players which, in turn, will lead to a lot of comp picks

By jove, I think you've nailed it.

[Mile High Mania]

I'm thinking at least a 3rd and a 4th....if not two 3rds for Franklin and Thomas.

Thomas, Franklin, Knighton (Pot Roast), Moore, Welker, Tamme, Unrein, Irving... several others. I'd say those losses are more impressive than what they lost last year.

[Hootie]

well if Welker or Tamme even factor into any of the comp pick formulas ... that fucking system needs fixed

[Mile High Mania]

well if Welker or Tamme even factor into any of the comp pick formulas ... that ****ing system needs fixed

Not sure what you're suggesting. Looks like they look at the total losses, some of the names from last year were players that I'd look at as no big deal.

[chiefzilla1501]

So, teams should be penalized for being competitive? I don't understand the method really behind the madness with this process, but Denver rarely gets comp picks.

Man, wait until next year after losing what they lost this off-season.
For comp picks, yes. The point of comp picks is to reward teams who took a big hit in free agency. They specifically have rules in place that factor in total games started and compensation. Pretty simple... If you lose a lot, but spend a lot to replace what you lost, then your team is not that much worse off and therefore does not need compensation.

The Chiefs lost several starters and replaced them with Joe mays and vance walker, two low contract guys who barely played. That is what comp picks are supposed to be made for.

[Hootie]

I don't really care about Denver getting those 2 garbage 7ths ... that's basically like getting your first choice at a UDFA

I can't believe they got a 4th, though. Hell. Sanders >>> Decker

Sanders and Talib alone were better than anything else they "lost."

[Hootie]

were Denver fans even expecting comp picks?

[chiefzilla1501]

Sanders neutralizes loss of decker
Talib replaces rodgers-cromartie
Tj ward replaces woodyard

So the broncos basically got 4 decent comp picks for losing Beadles, Moreno (who barely played), and ayers and Phillips who were pretty much useless role players. They got way too much.

[The Franchise]

Decker - 5 years $36 million
Sanders - 3 years $18 million

[Mile High Mania]

For comp picks, yes. The point of comp picks is to reward teams who took a big hit in free agency. They specifically have rules in place that factor in total games started and compensation. Pretty simple... If you lose a lot, but spend a lot to replace what you lost, then your team is not that much worse off and therefore does not need compensation.

The Chiefs lost several starters and replaced them with Joe mays and vance walker, two low contract guys who barely played. That is what comp picks are supposed to be made for.

So, the system should reward teams that lose quality and do a poor job of replacing that quality. Doesn't make sense really.

I don't really care about Denver getting those 2 garbage 7ths ... that's basically like getting your first choice at a UDFA

I can't believe they got a 4th, though. Hell. Sanders >>> Decker

Sanders and Talib alone were better than anything else they "lost."

I would agree.

were Denver fans even expecting comp picks?

Honestly, I've never paid much attention to it... Denver hasn't received many comp picks in drafts. I think 4 total or something in the last half dozen or more years?

[Mr. Laz]

Nobody was being a drama queen The Chiefs free agency last year was a disaster. It no doubt cost them a post season appearance.this

a real guard and Wr and we make the playoffs last year


but hey, ct would rather have some comp picks

btw the only thing these comp picks have done for us so far is jack and squat

we actually have to draft GOOD players before they mean shit

[chiefzilla1501]

this

a real guard and Wr and we make the playoffs last year


but hey, ct would rather have some comp picks

btw the only thing these comp picks have done for us so far is jack and squat

we actually have to draft GOOD players before they mean shit
Albert, Schwartz, jairus Byrd, desean Jackson. Probably can't sign Houston or Alex Smith.

Grubbs, Alex Smith, maclin, Parker, Houston, a 3rd, 5th, 7th pick

Yeah, I'm glad we waited a year.

[RunKC]

this

a real guard and Wr and we make the playoffs last year


but hey, ct would rather have some comp picks

btw the only thing these comp picks have done for us so far is jack and squat

we actually have to draft GOOD players before they mean shit

Knile Davis was a 3rd round comp pick and has scored a combined 14 TD's in his 2 years in the NFL (10 rushing, 2 receiving and 2 returns).

I'd say he is a good player.

[Hootie]

No ... according to CP Knile Davis is Trent Richardson.

[Tombstone RJ]

So, teams should be penalized for being competitive? (and you forgot they added Ware) I don't understand the method really behind the madness with this process, but Denver rarely gets comp picks.

Man, wait until next year after losing what they lost this off-season.

Yep, the Broncos are going to get some good comp picks for next year's draft too. Between this draft and next year's draft the Broncos are going to have like 20 picks.

[BigMeatballDave]

No ... according to CP Knile Davis is Trent Richardson.

I think most of CP is indifferent. Just a few who think he's that bad, like jd1020.

[Hootie]

Yep, the Broncos are going to get some good comp picks for next year's draft too. Between this draft and next year's draft the Broncos are going to have like 20 picks.

and if 12 of them fall between the 4th - 7th rounds ... who cares?

anything after the 4th is basically first dibs on UDFA caliber players

5-10% chance of 1 of those guys turning into a meaningful player

never bad to have plenty of picks, but unless they are New England'ing it and picking like 6 times in the first 100 ... wgaf?

[Tombstone RJ]

and if 12 of them fall between the 4th - 7th rounds ... who cares?

anything after the 4th is basically first dibs on UDFA caliber players

5-10% chance of 1 of those guys turning into a meaningful player

never bad to have plenty of picks, but unless they are New England'ing it and picking like 6 times in the first 100 ... wgaf?

welp, what good are all these picks if your team sucks at drafting, right? Just because the Broncos are going to have a bunch of picks does not mean squat if they miss on most of those picks, but that can be said for any team, right?

What it will allow the Broncos to do is trade up using their regular picks, should they see a QB they really like in the 2016 draft.

[ct]

this

a real guard and Wr and we make the playoffs last year


but hey, ct would rather have some comp picks

btw the only thing these comp picks have done for us so far is jack and squat

we actually have to draft GOOD players before they mean shit

no i'd have rather they signed better G depth than suck and suckier, and drafted a WR, and still had extra picks this year. Only one of our FAs lost I wanted to keep was Schwartz, the rest were good decisions.

mostly i'm pointing out how so many bitched last year, and celebrate now that we have picks.

and we agree on the value of picks, as in they have none unless they produce. a few have, more of them have yet to produce. i'd rather package our own 3rd, or 2nd if need be, move up and take an impact player for the NOW than sit and take more projects in quantity, especially given we have enough picks we could actually do BOTH this year.

[Mr. Laz]

Knile Davis was a 3rd round comp pick and has scored a combined 14 TD's in his 2 years in the NFL (10 rushing, 2 receiving and 2 returns).

I'd say he is a good player.

So how does Knile Davis have ANYTHING at all to do with the outcome of our upcoming draft picks?

Maybe they will be great picks, maybe they will suck or be something in the middle. The point is that we don't know yet, merely have the picks doesn't do anything. Is it worth sacrificing a season for just the chance at having them?

let's hope so because it's done already

[RunKC]

So how does Knile Davis have ANYTHING at all to do with the outcome of our upcoming draft picks?

Maybe they will be great picks, maybe they will suck or be something in the middle. The point is that we don't know yet, merely have the picks doesn't do anything. Is it worth sacrificing a season for just the chance at having them?

let's hope so because it's done already

Let's look back. So far..

Kelce and Davis look like great picks.
DAT, Fulton and Gaines looked like solid picks. Wilson and Cooper we haven't seen enough of.
We will find out if Fisher, Kush, Commings, Ford and Cat are good players this year.

I think this season will really show how good of a GM Dorsey is in the draft. A lot of guys listed above will be on display in year 2 or 3.

[BigMeatballDave]

So how does Knile Davis have ANYTHING at all to do with the outcome of our upcoming draft picks?

Maybe they will be great picks, maybe they will suck or be something in the middle. The point is that we don't know yet, merely have the picks doesn't do anything. Is it worth sacrificing a season for just the chance at having them?

let's hope so because it's done already

Probably somewhere in the middle. No teams have great drafts every year, they just don't.

[jd1020]

I think most of CP is indifferent. Just a few who think he's that bad, like jd1020.

Knile Davis excels at running in from the 3 yard line for a TD after Charles breaks off a 30 yard run.

Everything else he sucks at.

[DaneMcCloud]

Probably somewhere in the middle. No teams have great drafts every year, they just don't.

I guess it depends on your definition of "great" but it's hard to argue that the Baltimore Ravens don't consistently get the most out of the draft each year. Just look at their history.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/draft.htm

[Mr. Laz]

Probably somewhere in the middle. No teams have great drafts every year, they just don't.

when was the last great draft we had?

[Easy 6]

Knile Davis was a 3rd round comp pick and has scored a combined 14 TD's in his 2 years in the NFL (10 rushing, 2 receiving and 2 returns).

I'd say he is a good player.

No ... according to CP Knile Davis is Trent Richardson.

Yeah, Davis is underrated around here to say the least and its hard to fathom.

Most arguments against him are of the "he only averages 3.5 per carry" variety, completely neglecting to mention that its usually in very limited duty with JC at #1... everyone knows most backs need steady reps to really get into the flow of a game.

Its true that he doesn't have much wiggle, but when you can open up a decent seam for a guy going 230 with 4.3 - 4.4 speed... he doesn't need much wiggle.

I'm a big fan of the guy, we're very fortunate to have a backup like him.

[jd1020]

Yeah, Davis is underrated around here to say the least and its hard to fathom.

If Davis is anything around here, it isn't "underrated."

[Easy 6]

If Davis is anything around here, it isn't "underrated."

To complain about a #2 back like Davis is simply beyond me, I have no idea how to even address you on this.

He has scored kick return touchdowns, he has scored running touchdowns, he helped this team build the huge lead on Indy in that ill fated game, he was ****ing excellent in that game when we needed him most.

Be mad about something else for Gods sake.

[RunKC]

Some people are just retards who complain about everything

[Mile High Mania]

Saw a thing on NFL mobile, listing best all time compensatory picks..

Tom Brady, Larry Allen, Brian Dawkins, Hines Ward, La'Roi Glover, Marques Colston, Matt Hasselbeck, Mike Vrabel, Derrick Alexander, Pierre Garcon --- that was the top 10.

[jd1020]

Some people are just retards who complain about everything

I don't complain about everything.

I just don't act like a guy putting up the 5th worst numbers of qualifying players at his position should be starting for 28 teams in the NFL.

He's not good at blocking, he doesn't have good vision, he doesn't have good agility, and he can't hold on to the ball. He can run in a straight line.

[thabear04]

I don't complain about everything.

I just don't act like a guy putting up the 5th worst numbers of qualifying players at his position should be starting for 28 teams in the NFL.

He's not good at blocking, he doesn't have good vision, he doesn't have good agility, and he can't hold on to the ball. He can run in a straight line.

:)

[BigMeatballDave]

Knile Davis excels at running in from the 3 yard line for a TD after Charles breaks off a 30 yard run.

Everything else he sucks at.

FFS, Davis is a 3rd Rd comp pick. And a back up. Are you seriously going to keep railing on him? He's costs the Chiefs almost nothing.

[jd1020]

FFS, Davis is a 3rd Rd comp pick. And a back up. Are you seriously going to keep railing on him? He's costs the Chiefs almost nothing.

Why do I care about what he cost 2 years ago when the position could easily be upgraded?

[Mr. Laz]

FFS, Davis is a 3rd Rd comp pick. And a back up. Are you seriously going to keep railing on him? He's costs the Chiefs almost nothing.
hmmmm ... so don't expect much from 3rd Rd comp picks?


:fire:

[Hootie]

hahaha

any time Knile has been asked to fill in for Jamaal he's done an exemplary job and he's also been very good in the return game

...but yeah

what a waste!

[BigMeatballDave]

when was the last great draft we had?

08

[Hootie]

but granted, '08 we had a TON of picks between 1-100.

But kudos to Herm for drilling the Flowers and Charles picks. Those were legendary good picks.

Albert was so-so, Dorsey was a HUGE miss (but you can't even blame Herm for that) ... and everything else sucked.

I'd give them a B for Albert.
An A+++ for Flowers.
and a OFF THE CHARTS A+ for Charles.

and the funny thing, that is a LEGENDARILY good NFL draft...

yet some of the fools on this board expect 4 starters and a few pro bowlers out of every draft

...and that's insane

[Hootie]

(oh, and A for Brandon Carr, as well)

...that really was a great draft

Albert / Flowers/ Charles / Carr

what a haul

[Hootie]

but, in that very draft, we had ugly misses on Dorsey (#5), Cottam (3rd), Morgan (3rd) and Franklin (4th)

...and that's about typical, really

if Herm could do it all over again I bet he trades that 2nd 1st and 1 of those 3rds to see if he can get up there and get Ryan

we had all the ammo in the world to get Matt Ryan and we didn't pull the trigger

a colossal mistake

[BigMeatballDave]

but granted, '08 we had a TON of picks between 1-100.

But kudos to Herm for drilling the Flowers and Charles picks. Those were legendary good picks.

Albert was so-so, Dorsey was a HUGE miss (but you can't even blame Herm for that) ... and everything else sucked.

I'd give them a B for Albert.
An A+++ for Flowers.
and a OFF THE CHARTS A+ for Charles.

and the funny thing, that is a LEGENDARILY good NFL draft...

yet some of the fools on this board expect 4 starters and a few pro bowlers out of every draft

...and that's insane

Albert was much better than so-so. Dorsey wasn't a Huge miss, either.

I think everyone had Dorsey as a top 5 pick.

[BigMeatballDave]

LMAO Dorsey was an Ugly miss?

[Hootie]

yes, Dorsey was pegged as a "generational" prospect ... hard to fault anyone for that miss (and it was a HUGE miss)

I think Albert is pretty overrated, personally ... but I still give him a solid B given that he was a high 1st round pick. Some might give him an A, and that's fine. Hell, he pretty much netted us the 3rd round comp pick so maybe I'll go ahead and bump him up to an A.

[Hootie]

Dorsey was an ugly miss. A very ugly miss. He was the #5 pick in the whole draft. He was a bust. He's not going to make NFL Network's top 100 bust list or anything, but he was a non-memorable bust who had a non-memorable NFL career. Remember, he was supposed to be "Warren Sapp."

[Hootie]

now, was that our fault for not playing him in the right position? Maybe. Or maybe he just wasn't that good? Or maybe he never got over that knee? who knows. But yeah, pretty brutal bust.

[Easy 6]

Why do I care about what he cost 2 years ago when the position could easily be upgraded?

Dude... just how easy, in your mind, is it to upgrade someone weighing 230 that runs a 4.4 or better?

And beyond all of the measurables, he has proven those stats mean something... all I needed to know about Knile Davis is available in the Indy playoff game.

Receiving touchdowns, running touchdowns... the man stepped into that huge, unexpected moment like a BAUCE.

Find me the back with his measurables in this years draft, PARTICULARLY in the third round... you cant do it and I know this to be fact.

[jd1020]

Why would I care if a guy was 250 and ran a 4.7 if he could pick up a 4 YPA and not fumble the ball every 3rd game as a backup?

If measurables meant anything the Raiders would have won more SB's than the Patriots under Al Davis.

[Easy 6]

Why would I care if a guy was 250 and ran a 4.7 if he could pick up a 4 YPA and not fumble the ball every 3rd game as a backup?

I give up :facepalm:

[Bob Dole]

So, teams should be penalized for being competitive? (and you forgot they added Ware) I don't understand the method really behind the madness with this process, but Denver rarely gets comp picks.

Man, wait until next year after losing what they lost this off-season.

The league will probably give Denver the entire 3rd round.

[BigMeatballDave]

Dorsey was an ugly miss. A very ugly miss. He was the #5 pick in the whole draft. He was a bust. He's not going to make NFL Network's top 100 bust list or anything, but he was a non-memorable bust who had a non-memorable NFL career. Remember, he was supposed to be "Warren Sapp."

Maybe my judgement is clouded because of Tyson Jackson. HE was a colossal miss.

[Hootie]

well in fairness, a 3rd round RB is actually a really high pick for a RB

you take a RB in the 3rd round and you expect him to be a quality starter for 3-4 years, at least (maybe even a star)

...and I think we have that in Knile. He is EXCELLENT insurance for Jamaal and he even has a lot of starter upside after Jamaal

[Hootie]

Maybe my judgement is clouded because of Tyson Jackson. HE was a colossal miss.

how was he any worse than Glenn Dorsey?

If anything, at least T Jax came in and we all knew he would never live up to that #3 selection.

When Dorsey was taken, everyone on this site partied and couldn't believe he fell to us at #5...

and he had arguably less impact for the Chiefs than Tyson Jackson ... if not about the same

they were both huge fucking misses

[Hootie]

and at least in the T Jax draft it was the worst draft (top to bottom) in recent memory, and it's not close

the Dorsey draft was littered with talent all over the place

...and we still got a good haul out of it (Albert/Flowers/Charles/Carr)

[RunKC]

For all the people shitting on Knile Davis, please list all of the picks in round 3 that have done more than him not counting Kelce. There aren't many

And tell me about how great Montee Ball and Christine Michael are who were picked before Davis.

[BigMeatballDave]

and at least in the T Jax draft it was the worst draft (top to bottom) in recent memory, and it's not close

the Dorsey draft was littered with talent all over the place



I'd say the 2013 draft was worse.

[jd1020]

For all the people shitting on Knile Davis, please list all of the picks in round 3 that have done more than him not counting Kelce. There aren't many

And tell me about how great Montee Ball and Christine Michael are who were picked before Davis.

Can you explain to me what exactly this type of argument proves?

[The Franchise]

For all the people shitting on Knile Davis, please list all of the picks in round 3 that have done more than him not counting Kelce. There aren't many

And tell me about how great Montee Ball and Christine Michael are who were picked before Davis.

Zac Stacy hasn't done too bad.

Latavius Murray has the talent. Too bad the Raiders don't use him.

[jd1020]

That Keenan Allen kid is pretty bad aswell.

[BigMeatballDave]

Can you explain to me what exactly this type of argument proves?

Irony

[jd1020]

Irony

I'm not sure you know what that word means.

[Mile High Mania]

The league will probably give Denver the entire 3rd round.

That would be really cool... kinda doubt it happens though.

[thabear04]

Can you explain to me what exactly this type of argument proves?

They haven't done shit and their really no point on an argument because you think Knile Davis is trash. How about you just leave this place and don't come back.

[jd1020]

They haven't done shit and their really no point on an argument because you think Knile Davis is trash. How about you just leave this place and don't come back.

What does saying other players havent done shit have to do with Knile Davis? Literally the most ignorant "argument" there is.

[Easy 6]

well in fairness, a 3rd round RB is actually a really high pick for a RB

you take a RB in the 3rd round and you expect him to be a quality starter for 3-4 years, at least (maybe even a star)

...and I think we have that in Knile. He is EXCELLENT insurance for Jamaal and he even has a lot of starter upside after Jamaal

Hoots, your drama knows know bounds... but I'm once again finding myself agreeing with a lot of your football takes.

Dude is the perfect compliment to JC and yep, were he ever forced into a starting role I have absolute confidence that he would wow.

[BigMeatballDave]

I'm not sure you know what that word means.

We can't understand what your argument of a backup 3rd round RB is about.

[jd1020]

We can't understand what your argument of a backup 3rd round RB is about.

Are you going to continue running back to the "but, but, but he was a 3rd round comp pick" argument every time someone suggests finding an upgrade?

I don't know about you guys but have a RB who runs for 3.5 YPA, fumbles every 37 touches, can't pass block, and can't make cuts without completely stopping 1 Jamaal Charles injury away from starting a season scares the shit out of me.

[Hootie]

knile davis has 3 career starts (all of which he had good games)

...and jd, our board genious, is ready to write him off

3 career starts and 13 career TD's

what a terrible start to his career!

[jd1020]

knile davis has 3 career starts (all of which he had good games)

...and jd, our board genious, is ready to write him off

3 career starts and 13 career TD's

what a terrible start to his career!

Judging just on TDs. I bet you would have traded Jamaal Charles early on.

[MotherfuckerJones]

knile davis has 3 career starts (all of which he had good games)

...and jd, our board genious, is ready to write him off

3 career starts and 13 career TD's

what a terrible start to his career!

Ys his miami start was just terrible I tell Ya! Lol

[BigMeatballDave]

Are you going to continue running back to the "but, but, but he was a 3rd round comp pick" argument every time someone suggests finding an upgrade?

I don't know about you guys but have a RB who runs for 3.5 YPA, fumbles every 37 touches, can't pass block, and can't make cuts without completely stopping 1 Jamaal Charles injury away from starting a season scares the shit out of me.
I'm not against finding an upgrade. This argument started when you brought up Davis while we were bashing the Raiders for signing Richardson. Which was really dumb on your part. Even if they are equal RBs, the Chiefs drafted Davis, and they aren't giving him $2m a yr.

[Rausch]

well in fairness, a 3rd round RB is actually a really high pick for a RB

you take a RB in the 3rd round and you expect him to be a quality starter for 3-4 years, at least (maybe even a star)

...and I think we have that in Knile. He is EXCELLENT insurance for Jamaal and he even has a lot of starter upside after Jamaal

And we've still got DAT who can role play if we have injuries.

I can't see any way we go HB unless some retarded good talent falls to us...

[saphojunkie]

Albert was much better than so-so. Dorsey wasn't a Huge miss, either.

I think everyone had Dorsey as a top 5 pick.

Just because everyone missed on Dorsey doesn't mean he wasn't a miss.