Draft Buzz

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DRAFT BUZZ

Crashing the party
Posted: March 25, 2015 | No Comments
With the 2015 draft still some 5 weeks away there appears to be considerable movement of players up and down draft boards around the league. The following are a number of players who may not have been much more than third-day prospects when the draft process started, but have moved well up since and may actually have begun to get just a hint of late first-round consideration by some teams.

Clemson ILB Stephone Anthony: Thought of a productive, but somewhat limited athlete with mid-to-late round prospect for the upcoming draft, Anthony has been pushing the envelope right through the pre-draft process starting at the senior Bowl where he was all over dispelling the notion that he had primarily between the tackles range. Anthony then had an outstanding combine where he clocked a very fast time of 4.56 seconds in the 40-yard dash, the third-fastest time among all defensive front-seven players in Indianapolis this year. For good measure, Anthony also had an athletic 37-inch vertical, while his agility drill times were all among the top figures at the position. Finally, Anthony showed plenty more agility and fluidity in positional drills at both the combine and the Tigers’ pro day earlier this month. NFL teams still have some concerns about Anthony’s natral football instincts, particularly when dropping into coverage, however, because of his toughness when making the tackle and overall athletic skills, Anthony has gone from a possible 4th-5th round pick this year to a point where he is contending with the likes of Mississippi’s State Benardrick McKinney, Eric Kendricks of UCLA and Miami’s Denzel Perryman to be the first inside linebacker off the board. Indeed, there is a palpable buzz that a team like Green Bay could actually be looking at him as a possibility for their late first round pick.

Oregon OT Jake Fisher: We kind of joked early in the 2014 college season that Fisher should maybe get some Heisman consideration when the Ducks’ offense just took off after missing some time with an injury. Turns out Fisher may get the last laugh. Fisher is a former TE who has shown in pre-draft workouts that he he is a much more fluid, athletic offensive lineman than previously thought. At the combine, for example, Fisher had the second fastest 40 clocking among offensive linemen at 5.01 seconds, while he posted a 32.5-inch vertical, which also tied for second among OL, and then blew away the competition at the position in the agility drills. All that has NFL teams thinking of a Fisher as a guy who could come in and start at RT right away, but what has pushed his up boards across the league is the sense that he has the feet and work ethic to eventually play at LT at the next level, although he still needs to add some strength and clean up some technical issues, in particular his hand usage off the snap. However, at 6-6, Fisher has the frame to bulk up to the 320 pound range – he weighed 306 at the combine – and given the value team’s place on the LT position, is another player who now looks like a solid early-to-mid-second round candidate who no one would be totally shocked if some team ultimately pulls the string in the latter part of the opening round.

Central Florida WR Breshad Perriman: If UCF’s Perriman didn’t have teams thinking about him as a potential early pick prior to his pro day this week, then they almost certainly will after he reportedly ran the 40 in something in the 4.3 range. In fact, Perriman may be just what the 2015 draft needs and that’s yet another really good prospect at receiver as he has a rare combination of size (he’s 6-2, 212), track speed and leaping ability. He also plays fast with an explosive first step and the ability to make sudden cuts. Indeed, he emerged as one of college football’s most dangerous big-play receivers last fall when he averaged almost 21 yards per catch (on 50 total receptions) and scored a team-leading 9 TDs on a team that really didn’t throw the ball all that well. In the past, though, Perriman has gotten by on his pure speed and athleticism and will need to clean some things up when he gets to the pros. In particular, his routes are sloppy as he tends to round them off and his hands are average at best as he lets too many passes get into his pads. Still, you can’t teach speed and athleticism such that his physical traits and ability to hit the big play should warrant plenty of early round consideration this year. And yes for the record, he is the son of former Miami WR Brett Perriman, who had a solid 10 year NFL career.

Arizona State FS Damarious Randall: No player in the 2015 draft class has come further, faster than ASU’s Randall who wasn’t even playing football four years ago. Indeed, Randall played baseball at a community college in 2011 before transferring to Mesa Community College where he was a JC All-American in 2012 after picking off 9 passes that year. Randall then played the last two years at ASU where he evolved into one of the most productive safeties in the country as he led the team with 106 tackles last fall, including 9.5 for loss, while he picked off 3 passes and broke up 9 others. Randall isn’t all that big at just 5-11, 195, but he can really run and has great instincts and ball skills. Indeed, there are some teams that are reportedly looking at him as a possible corner, although he is probably a little stiff in the hips to hold up on an island against elite receivers. Still, Randall was only one of two safeties to run under 4.5 seconds at the combine (along with Eric Rowe of Utah), while he was in the top 2-3 prospects at the position in the other key physical tests including the agility drills. And in a year in which ball-hawking free safety types are about as rare as hen’s teeth, Randall is another guy with the potential to be off the board within the first 40 or so picks at this year’s draft.

Bonus buzz: In addition to the above players, there is something of a buzz that QBs Bryce Petty of Baylor and Colorado State’s Garrett Grayson may have passed Brett Hundley of UCLA as the #3 prospect at the position this year behind Jameis Winston of Florida State and Oregon’s Marcus Mariota. Hundley is by far the best athlete of the three, but Petty and Grayson are just better passers out of the pocket. And given that there are simply more than two teams with major QB issues heading into the draft, the question around the NFL is just how early teams that don’t get Winston or Mariota will feel the pressure to get the next best thing at the position and that could mean reaching a tad in the second round. There has also been something of a buzz around the league of late that nobody should be surprised if Georgia RB Todd Gurley is selected a lot earlier than where he is being projected in most current mock drafts. Gurley, of course, was considered to be the best player in college football last season before he tore an ACL in October that sent his stock tumbling. However, Gurley’s rehab is reportedly going well such that he may not have to wait much past the first 10-12 or so picks before he starts to come into play, that is if somebody doesn’t pull the trigger in the top 10.

Can not wait tell draft day should be exciting and good haul for KC this year !

LBs to me seem the hardest to judge/rate, and its too bad because thats a place I was wanting to find another DJ!

My big board ugh....
#35 Kendricks
#42 Anothny
#46 Mckinney
Shaq Thompson no idea where to slot this player can he be a good ILB ?
Paul Dawson?

[Direckshun]

Kendricks makes a ton of sense for us, if he's available in the 2nd. Spending a 1st on a non-elite ILB makes no sense. Stephone Anthony is probably just as good of a get in the 2nd, anyway, there's no reason to reach.

McKinney, it sounds like, has a very real chance of becoming a Chief if he's available in the 2nd as well -- not only is he a widely valued SILB (not by me, particularly), there was a rumor going around that the Chiefs were looking at him as a very real possibility to flex out to rushbacker and potentially replace Justin Houston.

Shaq Thompson... eh. He's very talented and could probably play in any defense, but he's going to be gone by our 2nd round pick, and I don't want to burn a 1st on any of these guys.

Paul Dawson, in my opinion, could be an excellent value acquisition on the 3rd day of the draft. He is very, very talented but will likely fall like a rock due to his abysmal Combine workout. I think he's excellent, and I'd definitely take him in the 4th or 5th.

The ILB that's the true heir to DJ, though, is Denzel Perryman, who is easily the best ILB this draft has to offer, and has Pro Bowl potential. He's just an excellent general to have in the middle of your field, plays extremely tough, and does all the little things right with no apparent weakness. The downside to Perryman is that he's pretty much the player right now that he's ever going to be in the NFL. He's a pure "safe" pick, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

I think Perryman and perhaps Thompson are the only ILBs worth taking in the 1st. But honestly, with DJ and Mauga, we can probably pick up another guy or two in free agency and Bob Sutton can make them fit. There is so much talent at OL and WR in the first few rounds (to say nothing of CB, and who knows if Reid wants to take a shot on a QB), that I'd just wait until the late rounds to go ILB.

[redshirt32]

Thanks Direckshun

The Chiefs are really in a good spot this year, If they want they could build a hell of a OL for the future.
Or Go bat crazy on some bad ass Dbs and have a lights out secondary full of head hunters.

My guess is DL/OL/DB/WR/LB for the first 5 picks in any order depending whos available come picking time , and with ten picks shore up some special team type players that can play more than one position, training camp should be real interesting come final cut down.
It all starts up front DL or OL ,
The secondary is pretty good right now, they could go DL, more push up the gut collapse the pocket and make our current secondary that much better....

So ready for draft day... to get here

[Dante84]

Perryman does not impress me.

[Meatloaf]

Guys, if we based our ILB assessment simply on vids of their college production last year, does not Paul Dawson look head and shoulders better than any other ILB coming out this year? He seems to have a very high football IQ and when he got to someone, they went down.

I know said "knucklehead" showed up looking like some out of shape fatty for the combine, but it's hard to ignore his play. Typically, I'm not big on guys with "baggage", but I think I'd definitely expend the resources necessary to figure out who this Paul Dawson guy is (e.g. can he be coached, does he have his head on straight or can he get it on straight, etc.). Seems to me this guy has a ton of talent.....kind of a natural gift for football.

[The Franchise]

I think McKinney is in the mold of a Melvin Ingram. You'll start him at ILB but he has the flexibility to rush from the OLB spot.

[thabear04]

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[Direckshun]

I'm not going to lie, folks, I've clocked Perriman at 4.2 in that Vine on my iPhone. I think it's legit.

[Direckshun]

Perryman does not impress me.

Perryman or Perriman?

Because Denzel Perryman's the best ILB in this draft.

[kccrow]

I clocked Perriman 4 times based on that vid and got 4.30, 4.34, 4.35, 4.30. So, I'm going with 4.32. That's still much faster than I thought he was. He's legitimately a 4.3 guy.

[KC native]

I'm not going to lie, folks, I've clocked Perriman at 4.2 in that Vine on my iPhone. I think it's legit.

I clocked Perriman 4 times based on that vid and got 4.30, 4.34, 4.35, 4.30. So, I'm going with 4.32. That's still much faster than I thought he was. He's legitimately a 4.3 guy.

:spock:
Um, you can't tell when he crosses the line because of the perspective. Grain of salt.

[KC native]

Guys, if we based our ILB assessment simply on vids of their college production last year, does not Paul Dawson look head and shoulders better than any other ILB coming out this year? He seems to have a very high football IQ and when he got to someone, they went down.

I know said "knucklehead" showed up looking like some out of shape fatty for the combine, but it's hard to ignore his play. Typically, I'm not big on guys with "baggage", but I think I'd definitely expend the resources necessary to figure out who this Paul Dawson guy is (e.g. can he be coached, does he have his head on straight or can he get it on straight, etc.). Seems to me this guy has a ton of talent.....kind of a natural gift for football.

His combine was flat out awful. He tried to put on weight and didn't do it well. He claims he tweaked his hamstring on his first 40 run.

He's not a knucklehead nor does he have baggage. He failed a UA for adderol because he didn't have a prescription. He was late (we're talking minutes here) for meetings and weight lifting sessions.

If he is there in the 2nd, the Chiefs should draft him.

[Direckshun]

:spock:
Um, you can't tell when he crosses the line because of the perspective. Grain of salt.

I clocked him in the 4.2s. Kccrow clocked him in the low 4.3s.

Shrug.

[KC native]

I clocked him in the 4.2s. Kccrow clocked him in the low 4.3s.

Shrug.

He ran a 4.78 at the combine. It's highly unlikely he ran under a 4.5

[kccrow]

He ran a 4.78 at the combine. It's highly unlikely he ran under a 4.5

???

[Direckshun]

He was injured running the 40 at the Combine, was he not?

[Meatloaf]

His combine was flat out awful. He tried to put on weight and didn't do it well. He claims he tweaked his hamstring on his first 40 run.

He's not a knucklehead nor does he have baggage. He failed a UA for adderol because he didn't have a prescription. He was late (we're talking minutes here) for meetings and weight lifting sessions.

If he is there in the 2nd, the Chiefs should draft him.

Thanks Native. BTW, my "knucklehead" comment had to do with his comment that he said that his coach would probably call him a knucklehead for being late to meetings and such. The baggage I was referring to related to him being a bit of a head case (in a nice way); kind of a free spirit. You know, stuff like attempting to put on weight and being out of shape for the combine......kinda weird, don't you think? Did he not get any advice? Did he listen to it? That's my concern; is he too free of a spirit? Anyway, I wasn't referring to the adderol thing as that didn't seem particularly egregious to me.

Don't get me wrong, I think the kid can flat play. In my mind he looks like the best ILB in the draft. Hope the Chiefs find a way to snag him.

[Urc Burry]

Charles Davis said don't be surprised if Kevin White is the 3rd receiver taken... if he makes it to the teens i'm going to want to trade up

[Dante84]

Perryman or Perriman?

Because Denzel Perryman's the best ILB in this draft.

My thoughts are below from a month ago. Again - limited exposure to him, but from his game tapes, he doesn't strike me as elite.

I've heard a lot of hype over Denzel Perryman, and admittedly, I haven't seen him play.

I just watched his game against Nebraska - again, only and first impression - but I was kinda disappointed.

+ He is very strong; his arms wrap the runner with a huge impact on his tackles, and he lifts the runner up.
+ Holds his ground on blocks
+ He takes great angles in pursuit to the outside

- He seems slow to react; does a lot of watching and waiting... and sort of dances around the pile while other guys are on the ground.
- While he takes great angles, it was usually because he was slow to get to the initial point of contact. It's like he's trying to play clean up man, instead of the first-to-arrive destroyer mentality that we see with DJ sometimes.

Takeaways - I need to watch more on him, because he has a ton of buzz and I just don't see it yet. I'm guessing he lays nasty hits occasionally, but he just seems to be out there hovering and protecting himself. Almost reminds me of DRC just standing around the pile instead of getting in on the tackles. I expected to see more nasty, more fight I guess.

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[Saccopoo]

His combine was flat out awful. He tried to put on weight and didn't do it well. He claims he tweaked his hamstring on his first 40 run.

He's not a knucklehead nor does he have baggage. He failed a UA for adderol because he didn't have a prescription. He was late (we're talking minutes here) for meetings and weight lifting sessions.

If he is there in the 2nd, the Chiefs should draft him.

Jesus Fucking Christ!!!!

Paul Dawson, if he's in playing shape, is 215/220 lb. max. with short arms. If he's not in playing shape at 230 lb., he's a fat fuck who is slower than frozen elephant shit.

The fucking guy is not playing in a 34. He would get completely fucking destroyed in a 34. Guards will fucking decapitate him. Tight ends will feast on his fucking entrails.

No way, no how. Period. End of story. Doneski.

[Direckshun]

LMAO

Never change, Sac.

[O.city]

So Shaq Thompson at 18. Thoughts?

[Direckshun]

Not a fan, personally -- he's super athletic but I think he's an awkward fit at 3-4 ILB. I think he's got tweener written all over him.

He's more of a 4-3 OLB, or even a SS.

[O.city]

Not a fan, personally -- he's super athletic but I think he's an awkward fit at 3-4 ILB. I think he's got tweener written all over him.

He's more of a 4-3 OLB, or even a SS.

I thought that, but with as much as we are in subsets, I dunno. Him and DJ in the middle would be pretty good in the tight end game.

He just screams versatility to me.

[Direckshun]

Yeah. Fair point. Honestly, you could throw a superb athlete like him into our defense and Sutton would maximize him.

Sutton had a banner year in 2014, and spun a bunch of straw into a bunch of gold. I'm a huge fan.

I think he could make do with Thompson. I'd just angle for better talent elsewhere.

[O.city]

True.

It's tough because he's def more athlete than football player at this point. That early in the draft, you'd rather have both.

[KC native]

Jesus Fucking Christ!!!!

Paul Dawson, if he's in playing shape, is 215/220 lb. max. with short arms. If he's not in playing shape at 230 lb., he's a fat fuck who is slower than frozen elephant shit.

The fucking guy is not playing in a 34. He would get completely fucking destroyed in a 34. Guards will fucking decapitate him. Tight ends will feast on his fucking entrails.

No way, no how. Period. End of story. Doneski.

You are wrong.

[KC native]

Thanks Native. BTW, my "knucklehead" comment had to do with his comment that he said that his coach would probably call him a knucklehead for being late to meetings and such. The baggage I was referring to related to him being a bit of a head case (in a nice way); kind of a free spirit. You know, stuff like attempting to put on weight and being out of shape for the combine......kinda weird, don't you think? Did he not get any advice? Did he listen to it? That's my concern; is he too free of a spirit? Anyway, I wasn't referring to the adderol thing as that didn't seem particularly egregious to me.

Don't get me wrong, I think the kid can flat play. In my mind he looks like the best ILB in the draft. Hope the Chiefs find a way to snag him.

He was training at some camp in Cali with Chris Hackett. They both had added weight and were slow at the combine. Not sure what the advisers at the camp were thinking.

[redshirt32]

Jeff Luc under the radar

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jeff-luc?id=2553101
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eepWXJywEOs

Looks in shape and seems nice lol, had six FF last year, averages about the same tackles as Ben Heeney but Ben had 88 solo tackles last year compared to 65 for Luc.

Im starting to warm up to this guy and big Ben from Kansas Ben more so, of course there is Vigil and that Mayo kid from Tex.

Chiefs should get one of these players based on there production alone or two see if they can make the final cut date.

Looking at more tape and stats on LBs there has to be diamond in the rough for LBs this year.....

[Direckshun]

I like Ben Heeney a ton as a late rounder.

Mike Hull is pretty great too.

[redshirt32]

Yep forgot about Mike Hull as well...

[Saccopoo]

Jeff Luc under the radar

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jeff-luc?id=2553101
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eepWXJywEOs

Looks in shape and seems nice lol, had six FF last year, averages about the same tackles as Ben Heeney but Ben had 88 solo tackles last year compared to 65 for Luc.

Im starting to warm up to this guy and big Ben from Kansas Ben more so, of course there is Vigil and that Mayo kid from Tex.

Chiefs should get one of these players based on there production alone or two see if they can make the final cut date.

Looking at more tape and stats on LBs there has to be diamond in the rough for LBs this year.....

Do you know who led college football in missed tackles?

Ben Heeney.

He overruns more plays than a drunk Shakespeare in a dumptruck with no brakes.

[O.city]

Dawson ran much better 40 times at his pro dag

[Saccopoo]

You are wrong.

No, I am not.

He's a ****ing fat **** at a mere 230 lb.

What do you think he weighs when he drops the 25 lbs. of lard that he was sporting at the Combine?

And when he's a mere 230 lbs. (albeit a doughnut eating fat mother****er at 230 lbs.), the corpulent little butterball ran a 40 that competed with the best...wait for it...offensive linemen.

He's 6'0", 31.5" arms and isn't fast. (Not to mention the 28" vertical that couldn't get his fat ass over a curb.)

Oh, and in the month he had to correct the massive shitfest he dumped all over Indianapolis to his Pro Day? He ran an absolutely BLAZING 4.8. He's ****ing slow. And small. And short. And did I say ****ing slow? He's that too.

What the **** do you think he's going to do in a 34?

[O.city]

What did he do on the field?

[Saccopoo]

What did he do on the field?

College versus the NFL. (And in Bumpus' scheme that allows a lot of production from the ILB position.)

He doesn't have the tools to play in the pros at the level people saw of him in college.

[O.city]

College versus the NFL. (And in Bumpus' scheme that allows a lot of production from the ILB position.)

He doesn't have the tools to play in the pros at the level people saw of him in college.

FWIW l, the same thing was said about chris Borland l, iirc.

I just hate overlooking good football players because of what they do in shorts.

[Meatloaf]

Not that he's the end-all/be-all of player evaluations, but I believe Mayock has Dawson rated as his top ILB. Doubt he's as horrid as some suggest.

[BossChief]

FWIW l, the same thing was said about chris Borland l, iirc.

I just hate overlooking good football players because of what they do in shorts.

But you can get burned if you don't respect what they do in shorts because everyone in the NFL is fast.

To get on the field in the NFL... you have to show you aren't a liability, first and foremost. That will be tough given his lacking measurables.

Not too many guys like Tamba Hali (that flat out overwork you) make it...

[BossChief]

Dawson ran much better 40 times at his pro dag

Gil Brandt timed him at 4.78 and 4.82 at his pro day.

I hate to side with Sac....

[O.city]

But you can get burned if you don't respect what they do in shorts because everyone in the NFL is fast.

To get on the field in the NFL... you have to show you aren't a liability, first and foremost. That will be tough given his lacking measurables.

Not too many guys like Tamba Hali (that flat out overwork you) make it...

I just don't put as much stick into underwear olympics as I do what the guy does in pads.

Dawson was a great player on the field at Tcu. He may not translate, but you can't measure instincts etc in shorts.

[BossChief]

I just don't put as much stick into underwear olympics as I do what the guy does in pads.

Dawson was a great player on the field at Tcu. He may not translate, but you can't measure instincts etc in shorts.

Right, but good quarterbacks know when an ILB that's really slow is on the field.

He will get isolated at the next level and doesn't gave the physical tools to match up. I'd take a swing in the mid rounds on him, but not with a high pick.

[Saccopoo]

FWIW l, the same thing was said about chris Borland l, iirc.

I just hate overlooking good football players because of what they do in shorts.

Borland outweighed Dawson by 15 pounds on a one inch shorter frame and still posted a faster Combine 40.

[Sandy Vagina]

Not worried about Dawson's range or instincts. It's his character and preparation that teams have to take the chance on. 3rd rd for me. That's the right spot for risk/reward.

[Saccopoo]

Not worried about Dawson's range or instincts. It's his character and preparation that teams have to take the chance on. 3rd rd for me. That's the right spot for risk/reward.

For a team needing a Will backer in a 43.

He's not playing in a 34.

Period.

Jesus fucking Christ...

[O.city]

If the chiefs sat in the 34 set primarily, sure.

[redshirt32]

Looks like we might move up a spot or two depending on the NFL decisions/sanctions to take draft picks away from Falcons and Browns.

March 27, 2015 - 11:58 am
Falcons, Browns bracing for sanctions … The NFL is expected to announce the sanctions against Atlanta and Cleveland early next week and both teams have already been told by the league that they will be ‘severe’. Indeed, both teams are now reportedly expecting to lose a draft pick this year. Cleveland, for example, has reportedly been working in its draft prep on the premise that they will probably lose one of their two 4th round picks this year. Cleveland is under the gun because G.M. Ray Farmer was illegally texting messages to his coaching staff during games. Farmer is also expected to be suspended for as many as four games next year. Meanwhile, Atlanta was found to be pumping noise into its stadium during games which is also a no-no. On the other hand, there still does not seem to be any timeline for resolving any sanctions against New England for the deflated football issue during the playoffs.

[milkman]

Yeah. Fair point. Honestly, you could throw a superb athlete like him into our defense and Sutton would maximize him.

Sutton had a banner year in 2014, and spun a bunch of straw into a bunch of gold. I'm a huge fan.

I think he could make do with Thompson. I'd just angle for better talent elsewhere.

Last year at this time, Bob Sutton was being villified.
People wanted him run out of town on a rail.

A year later, he's a defensive genius.

The difference between Bob Sutton 2013 and Bob Sutton 2014.

Justin Houston's health.

[O.city]

Last year at this time, Bob Sutton was being villified.
People wanted him run out of town on a rail.

A year later, he's a defensive genius.

The difference between Bob Sutton 2013 and Bob Sutton 2014.

Justin Houston's health.

I don't think that's necessarily true. He seemed to change the way his coverages were run.

[milkman]

I don't think that's necessarily true. He seemed to change the way his coverages were run.

He did.

But the defense was killing it for the first 9 games of the '13 season in his that coverage scheme with Houston, and the bottom fell out when Houston was injured.

[planetdoc]

well, the chiefs now have a little insurance for this year with Dee Ford. If Houston holds out, then Dee Ford will be able to start. Having '3' pass rushing OLB insures against injury as well.

The problem arises in 2016 when Hali is a free agent, and Houston gets very expensive to franchise again.

[BossChief]

Last year at this time, Bob Sutton was being villified.
People wanted him run out of town on a rail.

A year later, he's a defensive genius.

The difference between Bob Sutton 2013 and Bob Sutton 2014.

Justin Houston's health.

Bingo.

The guy is gonna be a hall of famer and is definitely the kind of guy you build a whole defense around.

[The Franchise]

I don't think that's necessarily true. He seemed to change the way his coverages were run.

Possibly because he didn't have all of the players he needed.

[KC native]

No, I am not.

He's a ****ing fat **** at a mere 230 lb.

What do you think he weighs when he drops the 25 lbs. of lard that he was sporting at the Combine?

And when he's a mere 230 lbs. (albeit a doughnut eating fat mother****er at 230 lbs.), the corpulent little butterball ran a 40 that competed with the best...wait for it...offensive linemen.

He's 6'0", 31.5" arms and isn't fast. (Not to mention the 28" vertical that couldn't get his fat ass over a curb.)

Oh, and in the month he had to correct the massive shitfest he dumped all over Indianapolis to his Pro Day? He ran an absolutely BLAZING 4.8. He's ****ing slow. And small. And short. And did I say ****ing slow? He's that too.

What the **** do you think he's going to do in a 34?

You are wrong.

[Saccopoo]

well, the chiefs now have a little insurance for this year with Dee Ford. If Houston holds out, then Dee Ford will be able to start. Having '3' pass rushing OLB insures against injury as well.

The problem arises in 2016 when Hali is a free agent, and Houston gets very expensive to franchise again.

I really wouldn't mind the Chiefs drafting Bud Dupree at #18.

There are only about four guys on the entire planet at any given time that can do what he did at the combine at his size. In the right scheme with the right coaching, he has the potential to destroy worlds.

Take him, give him the Dee Ford treatment (basically sit him for a year, run him behind Hali/Houston on second team and learn him the defense) and then decide what to do with Houston and the prodigious salary demands.

[The Franchise]

I really wouldn't mind the Chiefs drafting Bud Dupree at #18.

There are only about four guys on the entire planet at any given time that can do what he did at the combine at his size. In the right scheme with the right coaching, he has the potential to destroy worlds.

Take him, give him the Dee Ford treatment (basically sit him for a year, run him behind Hali/Houston on second team and learn him the defense) and then decide what to do with Houston and the prodigious salary demands.

Would you take him over Collins?

[O.city]

I'd take dupree, although I'm a bit worried he's more athlete than football player.

[bricks]

Last year at this time, Bob Sutton was being villified.
People wanted him run out of town on a rail.

A year later, he's a defensive genius.

The difference between Bob Sutton 2013 and Bob Sutton 2014.

Justin Houston's health.

A new starting safety tandem also helped improve our defense in 2014.

Ron Parker and Hussain Abdullah are much much better than Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis with respect to coverage. I'm so happy especially that Kendrick Lewis is gone he was classic for exposing holes in our coverage.

[milkman]

A new starting safety tandem also helped improve our defense in 2014.

Ron Parker and Hussain Abdullah are much much better than Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis with respect to coverage. I'm so happy especially that Kendrick Lewis is gone he was classic for exposing holes in our coverage.

Yes, they are.

The liability that was Kendrick Lewis, however, still didn't stop this defense from playing at a high level before Houston was hurt in '13.

[Tribal Warfare]

Would you take him over Collins?

I would given the circumstances, and the premium of the position.

[staylor26]

Yes, they are.

The liability that was Kendrick Lewis, however, still didn't stop this defense from playing at a high level before Houston was hurt in '13.

That was also because we played a buncha backup QB's and hadn't been exposed yet.

[Saccopoo]

Would you take him over Collins?

Hmmmm...

Yeah, I think I would.

Between Stephenson, Allen and Sherrod, there has to be a serviceable RT in there somewhere. All three were absolute studs in college and at least one has to be able to translate over.

As well, between Fulton and Fanaika, there has to be a serviceable guard. (And I'm hoping that they can pick up a guy like John Miller in the draft and that answers that question right then and there.)

Collins is the best plug and play offensive lineman in this draft and would be able to play four positions in this offense. However, Bud Dupree has physical gifts that are rarer than hens teeth, crocodile tears, whatever. He's a complete freak.

And it's not like he's a slack ass. The guy is a team captain, was an excellent student and supposedly was a great locker room guy. He's raw in terms of technique, but you simply cannot deny the physical gifts that he has. Like I said, there is only a handful of people on the planet who can do what he did at the Combine. A freaking 42" vertical at 269 lbs.? 4.59 laser timed 40? Jesus...

I think that with the amount of mid round picks that the Chiefs have in a pretty deep draft, I'd roll the dice on a specimen like Dupree and then get the best football players I could from there on out. Guys like McBride, Vigil, Miller, etc.

[milkman]

That was also because we played a buncha backup QB's and hadn't been exposed yet.

I am fully aware that there were other factors in play, but the near certain fact remains that this defense has been outstanding over the last two years when Justin Houston has been healthy.

It has been mediocre to just plain garbage when he isn't.

[staylor26]

I am fully aware that there were other factors in play, but the near certain fact remains that this defense has been outstanding over the last two years when Justin Houston has been healthy.

It has been mediocre to just plain garbage when he isn't.

Agreed. Houston is the most valuable player on the team. There's more of a dropoff on defense without Houston than there is on the offense without Charles.

On a side note, what I really think this defense needs (outside of ILB) is a solid nickel. Owens was our biggest liability in the passing game and we have yet to replace him. I Was VERY high on Gaines last year so I'm not worried about our corners on the outside. That could really help us take the next step. What do you think?

[RealSNR]

Guys like McBride, Vigil, Miller, etc.

McBride? Fuck him.

His real name should be Tre McBaldwin

[staylor26]

McBride? **** him.

His real name should be Tre McBaldwin

I don't know what Sac sees in McBride. I'd much rather have Greene, Hardy, Dorsett, or Lockett. Even if it's a round eariler.

[milkman]

Agreed. Houston is the most valuable player on the team. There's more of a dropoff on defense without Houston than there is on the offense without Charles.

On a side note, what I really think this defense needs (outside of ILB) is a solid nickel. Owens was our biggest liability in the passing game and we have yet to replace him. I Was VERY high on Gaines last year so I'm not worried about our corners on the outside. That could really help us take the next step. What do you think?

This team, on offense, as I see it, still needs O-Line and WR help, and on defense still needs CB and ILB.

So, yes I agree.

Depending on how the draft falls, I would love to see the Chiefs trade a 3rd for Mychael Kendricks if there are any legs to the rumor that the Eagles are looking to move him.

I'd also be willing to risk taking Marcus Peters in the first.

[Saccopoo]

I don't know what Sac sees in McBride. I'd much rather have Greene, Hardy, Dorsett, or Lockett. Even if it's a round eariler.

You mean other than his excellent speed (4.41 at Combine), ability to high point the ball is maybe the best in this draft, insane catch radius, very good route runner, smart (originally recruited by Harvard), excellent size, exceptional hands?

Dude, along with Louisville OL John Miller, was the best player at the Shrine game and it wasn't even close.

He's this years Odell Beckham. Seriously. They are incredibly similar in play style, their combine numbers are nearly identical and they are both very dedicated route runners with the ability to high point the ball exceptionally well with a huge catch radius.

Tre McBride would absolutely bust shit off in this system.

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[Saccopoo]

McBride? **** him.

His real name should be Tre McBaldwin

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[Saccopoo]

This team, on offense, as I see it, still needs O-Line and WR help, and on defense still needs CB and ILB.

So, yes I agree.

Depending on how the draft falls, I would love to see the Chiefs trade a 3rd for Mychael Kendricks if there are any legs to the rumor that the Eagles are looking to move him.

I'd also be willing to risk taking Marcus Peters in the first.

Whoa...

Peters has been a perennial problem child his whole college career. Weed, bad attitude, on-field histronics, missing practices/team meetings, etc. There is a whole lot of stupid stuff associated with this guy in a really short time frame.

And I think that Florida State's PJ Williams is just a better cornerback period. Plays nasty and physical.

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[milkman]

Whoa...

Peters has been a perennial problem child his whole college career. Weed, bad attitude, on-field histronics, missing practices/team meetings, etc. There is a whole lot of stupid stuff associated with this guy in a really short time frame.

And I think that Florida State's PJ Williams is just a better cornerback period. Plays nasty and physical.

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I am merely using Peters as an extreme example to illustrate how crucial the need to upgrade corner.

[staylor26]

You mean other than his excellent speed (4.41 at Combine), ability to high point the ball is maybe the best in this draft, insane catch radius, very good route runner, smart (originally recruited by Harvard), excellent size, exceptional hands?

Dude, along with Louisville OL John Miller, was the best player at the Shrine game and it wasn't even close.

He's this years Odell Beckham. Seriously. They are incredibly similar in play style, their combine numbers are nearly identical and they are both very dedicated route runners with the ability to high point the ball exceptionally well with a huge catch radius.

Tre McBride would absolutely bust shit off in this system.

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It's not that I don't like McBride, but he doesn't get the separation that those guys get against inferior competition (slower 3 cone then all of them also) and I'd prefer one of them over him regardless of the round. He wouldn't be a bad consolation prize if we wait longer than I'd like to take a WR though.

[bricks]

If we took a corner, Id hope for Tre Waynes. Doubt he falls to us though.

[Saccopoo]

I am merely using Peters as an extreme example to illustrate how crucial the need to upgrade corner.

Oh...

Well then, I agree.

I've already said that I wouldn't mind it at all if PJ Williams was our first round selection.

[redshirt32]

Well i found my LB but we will have to wait tell next year.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M1PTdQyRVY

[jonzie04]

Speaking of PJ Williams

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000483385/article/pj-williams-arrested-for-dui

could be a great get in round 2 or 3.

[aturnis]

He did.

But the defense was killing it for the first 9 games of the '13 season in his that coverage scheme with Houston, and the bottom fell out when Houston was injured.

Agree. Don't forget about injuries in the secondary either.

This was my reasoning for continuing to support Sutton.

[KChiefs1]

Potential trade rumor:

Cleveland trades picks 43, 111 and 115 to KC for picks 49, 80 and 217.

[The Franchise]

Potential trade rumor:

Cleveland trades picks 43, 111 and 115 to KC for picks 49, 80 and 217.

With no link?

[KChiefs1]

With no link?


http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nfl/rumors/

[redshirt32]

Potential trade rumor:

Cleveland trades picks 43, 111 and 115 to KC for picks 49, 80 and 217.

Pick 217 is a comp pick cannot be traded

[KevB]

Here's the most likely trade down scenario IMO:

TFY Draft Insider Tony Pauline reports that the Dallas Cowboys are "very high" on Wisconsin RB Melvin Gordon III and could target him in round 1.
"I'm told the Dallas Cowboys very high on Melvin Gordon/RB/Wisconsin and are targeting him in round one. Trade up?," Pauline tweeted. With veteran RB Darren McFadden holding down the position, the Cowboys could be looking for their future back with the No. 27 pick. The reality is, there are other RB-needy teams selecting before them in the Chargers, Lions, and Cardinals. The Cowboys will have to find a way to move up, if Gordon is their guy.

The Chargers take either Gurley or Gordon, and there are at least 3 teams in the 20's that could be targeting the other likely 1st round RB.

[kccrow]

I don't really see a team moving up for a running back, but you never know.

The team I could see moving up is Carolina for a tackle. There are teams like Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Detroit that could easily take one in front of them. They may even want to move up to KCs spot to make sure KC doesn't take one. Carolina really, really needs to get a top left tackle prospect and they might just be smart to move up and get the one they covet.

Theoretically, Carolina gives up a 1st (25), 3rd (89), 5th (161), and 6th (201) for KC's 1st (18). With two 5th round comp picks, the 5th and 6th rounders aren't complete deal breakers and it keeps them from giving up their 4th instead.

Carolina ends up with 1st (18), 2nd (57), 4th (124), 5th (169*), 5th (174*), and 7th (242).

KC ends up with 1st (25), 2nd (49), 3rd (80), 3rd (89), 3rd (98*), 4th(118), 5th (161), 5th (172*), 5th (173*), 6th (193), 6th (201), 6th (217*), and 7th (233).

That'd give KC alot of ammunition. This is all theory of course, but its likely close to the compensation level.

[ct]

I don't really see a team moving up for a running back, but you never know.

The team I could see moving up is Carolina for a tackle. There are teams like Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Detroit that could easily take one in front of them. They may even want to move up to KCs spot to make sure KC doesn't take one. Carolina really, really needs to get a top left tackle prospect and they might just be smart to move up and get the one they covet.

Theoretically, Carolina gives up a 1st (25), 3rd (89), 5th (161), and 6th (201) for KC's 1st (18). With two 5th round comp picks, the 5th and 6th rounders aren't complete deal breakers and it keeps them from giving up their 4th instead.

Carolina ends up with 1st (18), 2nd (57), 4th (124), 5th (169*), 5th (174*), and 7th (242).

KC ends up with 1st (25), 2nd (49), 3rd (80), 3rd (89), 3rd (98*), 4th(118), 5th (161), 5th (172*), 5th (173*), 6th (193), 6th (201), 6th (217*), and 7th (233).

That'd give KC alot of ammunition. This is all theory of course, but its likely close to the compensation level.

I'm a dreamer too, but i do not see the liklihood of giving up 3 picks to move up 7 spots. We'd do well to get their 3rd and 5th, even if the "points" don't add up. jmo

[kccrow]

I'm a dreamer too, but i do not see the liklihood of giving up 3 picks to move up 7 spots. We'd do well to get their 3rd and 5th, even if the "points" don't add up. jmo

Probably would be what would happen. That's why I spoke as "theoretical" in my post. A trade a couple years ago from 30 to 22 resulted in a 3rd and 6th with a loss of 16 points. A trade last year from 27 to 20 only resulted in a 3rd with a loss of 34 points. There was a trade a couple years ago from 16 to 8 that did net 3 picks in the same draft (2, 3, 7) and was a gain in points.

It really depends on the teams trading. Knowing KCs history, they almost always are losers in draft day trades so a 3rd and a 5th or 6th is probably a best case scenario for them with only a 3rd being the most likely.

[ct]

What I would love to see is somebody offer their 3rd to move up to 18, we drop maybe 6-8 spots to around the mid-20s, grab CB like Johnson, Collins, or Jones, then use that very 3rd round pick to move up into first few spots of 2nd, mid-30s, and snag WRs agholor or dorsett if they slide out of 1st into 2nd.

[The Franchise]

What I would love to see is somebody offer their 3rd to move up to 18, we drop maybe 6-8 spots to around the mid-20s, grab CB like Johnson, Collins, or Jones, then use that very 3rd round pick to move up into first few spots of 2nd, mid-30s, and snag WRs agholor or dorsett if they slide out of 1st into 2nd.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=291858

[ct]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=291858

done, book it