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[Mr. Laz]

2015 NFL Mock Draft 4.0: Redskins go receiver in first round
By Will Brinson | NFL Writer
April 11, 2015 1:00 pm ET

We often build mock drafts and fail to see the forest for the trees. NFL teams do the same thing, so it's not a crime to focus on the now. The Buccaneers are a good example: They have almost no choice but to take a quarterback No. 1 overall because of its roster construction. Another example: The Washington Redskins at wide receiver.

The Skins have DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garcon, so why would they draft a wideout? But as friend of the site and CBS colleague at 106.7 the Fan Chad Dukes pointed out when I spoke with him on the radio Friday, Redskins fans shouldn't ignore the idea of the team drafting a wide receiver despite obvious defensive deficiencies on the roster.

Remember, Scot McCloughan is a best-player-available-type of guy. And Garcon/Jackson aren't locks for the long haul on this roster. Jackson's contract runs through 2017 but he'll be 29 after 2015 ends and facing the likelihood of his biggest weapon, speed, moving in a declining direction. He has a $9.25 million cap hit in 2017 but cutting him after 2016 would result in just $1.25 million in dead money. He's probably on the roster through 2016.

Garcon probably has only one year left with the Redskins. He's got a $10.2 million cap hit in 2016 (and $9.7 million in 2015) but would result in only $2.2 million in dead money (both players' contract numbers via Spotrac.com) if cut before 2016.

Adding someone like Amari Cooper or Kevin White at the top of the draft seems like a luxury for a team with two expensive wideouts and so many other roster problems, but may well be a necessity with McCloughan looking toward the future.

We're gonna reflect that happening below and see if it changes anything.

1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Florida State QB Jameis Winston: Love hearing all the chatter about Jameis' character concerns and on-field issues now. Where was this stuff in the other two months before the draft? Barring Winston doing something stupid or someone high in the Bucs front office stepping in to quash this choice, it's going to be Winston first overall.

2. Tennessee Titans -- Oregon QB Marcus Mariota: The only thing better than landing a sure-fire franchise quarterback for a two-win team? Landing a guy who qualifies as a franchise guy to buy yourself three more years. The fit doesn't seem logical with Ken Whisenhunt but people are starting to figure out Mariota can do plenty of the things required of a starting NFL quarterback.

3. Jacksonville Jaguars -- Clemson OLB Vic Beasley, OLB: We're getting wild in the first round! The Jaguars need a LEO for Gus Bradley's defense and no one in this draft has the ability to make the immediate pass-rushing impact like Beasley. Three feels high but he's not lasting until the second round.

4. Oakland Raiders -- USC DT Leonard Williams: Gifted Williams at 3, the Raiders pounce on the local (soon to be MORE local??) defensive tackle.

5. Washington Redskins -- Alabama WR Amari Cooper: Let's get nuts. The idea of the Redskins grabbing a wideout with Jackson and Garcon already on the depth chart sounds crazy, but this is a best-available-player situation for McCloughan and he's got his pick of wideouts here. Look at his draft run in San Francisco: the 49ers took offensive players in the first round during 4/7 first-round picks from 2005 through 2009. If you're thinking about life post-Garcon, Cooper probably matches up best with Jackson, though there's no guarantee he'll be there forever either.

6. New York Jets -- Florida OLB Dante Fowler Jr.: The Jets' strong offseason continues without actually having to be aggressive. One of the top pass-rushing targets falls into their lap at No. 6. Todd Bowles loves to blitz and Fowler gives him a versatile weapon to send after the quarterback from different spots.

7. Chicago Bears -- West Virginia WR Kevin White: With Brandon Marshall gone (and flip No. 6 and No. 7 if he wasn't) the Bears look to the draft for another weapon for Jay Cutler. Pairing White with Alshon Jeffery gives Chicago a terrifying tandem at wide receiver.

8. Atlanta Falcons -- Nebraska DE Randy Gregory: Concern over Gregory's failed test at the combine will vanish when the clock starts ticking and everyone's looking for the best talent. This especially matters in Atlanta, where the Falcons badly need a pass rusher and may not be as concerned about character as they were a few years ago.

9. New York Giants -- Washington DT Danny Shelton: When we re-drafted the 2011 NFL Draft, we imagined plugging Jurrell Casey in with the Giants pass rush. Giving defensive ends space-eating, quarterback-attacking defensive tackles does wonders for their production. So the Giants do just that at No. 9, grabbing the mammoth Shelton.

10. St. Louis Rams -- Iowa OL Brandon Scherff: For only the second time, Jeff Fisher grabs an offensive lineman in the first round. Wouldn't be surprising to see them go with a cornerback here, or even a wideout, but they need help protecting Nick Foles.

11. Minnesota Vikings -- Louisville WR DeVante Parker: Go get Teddy Bridgewater's guy so Bridgewater can throw to him. Mike Wallace isn't the answer at wide receiver, even though the trade at least gives Minnesota an additional weapon.

12. Cleveland Browns -- LSU OT La'el Collins: When Alex Mack went down last season, the running game fell apart. They need a mauling big body who can play on the right side or inside. Collins isn't going to take Joe Thomas' job, but fits this line's needs perfectly.

13. New Orleans Saints -- Michigan State CB Trae Waynes: Keep pumping that money into the secondary. The Saints want to come out of this draft with a lineman and a defensive player and nab the best corner on the board here.

14. Miami Dolphins -- UCF WR Breshard Perriman: Moves to dump Wallace and pick up Kenny Stills were smart and ultimately should prove effective, but this is WR corps still needs immediate help. The upside of Perriman, particularly utilizing the local product in Bill Lazor's offense on short throws (where he won't drop as many balls???) is spicy indeed.

15. San Francisco 49ers-- Oregon DT Arik Armstead: The 49ers need an upside-filled defensive lineman who can step in and fill Justin Smith's shoes when he inevitably retires and leaves another gaping hole on this defense.

16. Houston Texans -- Missouri OLB/DE Shane Ray: Double. Down. The Texans already have J.J. Watt, Jadeveon Clowney and Whitney Mercilus. Bring in Ray and keep throwing pass rushers at opposing offenses. Force them to max out double teams for Watt and let him create havoc. There's also no telling if Clowney will be an impact pass rusher next season.

17. San Diego Chargers -- Wisconsin RB Melvin Gordon: Flipping the script and sending Gordon, instead of Gurley, to San Diego. Gordon's health makes him potentially more impactful out of the gate, someone who can help the Bolts off to a hot start.

18. Kansas City Chiefs -- Arizona State WR Jaelen Strong: Grabbing Jeremy Maclin in free agency is huge but Andy Reid is in need of another weapon for Alex Smith.

19. Cleveland Browns (via Buffalo Bills) -- Kentucky DE Bud Dupree: Love the idea of Cleveland nabbing this athletic freak and plugging him into Mike Pettine's defense. They're pretty well-rounded in terms of having a strong defensive unit, but giving him another speedy edge rusher along with Barkevious Mingo could make things interesting.

20. Philadelphia Eagles -- Wake Forest CB Kevin Johnson: Lot of free-agent money invested into the defense but there's no guarantee Chip Kelly fixed the secondary. Wouldn't be surprised if he kept doubling down on cornerback and attempted to grab a wideout in the next round.

21. Cincinnati Bengals -- Stanford OT Andrus Peat: Smart teams prepare for the future and the Bengals are -- gasp! -- a smart team in the draft these days. They're able to secure a value talent with Peat here while also managing to set themselves up for life after Andrew Whitworth should they let him walk after his contract year and at the age of 34.

22. Pittsburgh Steelers -- Connecticut CB Byron Jones: The freakish combine monster gives the Steelers an athletic presence in a secondary desperately needing help. Keith Butler sees the way offenses are changing defensive alignments and understands more cornerbacks is critical.

23. Detroit Lions -- Miami (FL) OT Ereck Flowers: Plugging in Flowers on the right side of this line would give Matthew Stafford more protection as well as help the Lions in the run game, with Flowers nasty style showcasing an ability to get to the second level quickly.

24. Arizona Cardinals -- Georgia RB Todd Gurley: The Cardinals want to get more physical and dynamic in the run game and Gurley, when healthy, is capable of changing a ground attack. They've increased the talent on the offensive line and can afford to gamble on Gurley coming back to superstar form after knee injury last November.

25. Carolina Panthers -- Pittsburgh OT T.J. Clemmings: Dave Gettleman needs to get help for Cam Newton (no offense to Michael Oher and Jonathan Martin). The athletic upside of Clemmings and the veteran presence of those guys gives Carolina time to work the Pitt tackle into the mix as a franchise cornerstone.

26. Baltimore Ravens -- Florida State DT Eddie Goldman: With the trade of Haloti Ngata, the Ravens need more depth on the defensive line. Goldman could pair with another former Florida State standout, Timmy Jernigan, to form the future of this defensive line.

27. Dallas Cowboys -- Texas DT Malcom Brown: Local product who fills a need. Tempted to have them go running back here, but somehow they've become self-aware when it comes to the draft too and decide to wait for the second round. Plugging Brown into the middle only improves the pass rush.

28. Denver Broncos -- Florida OT D.J. Humphries: More protection for Peyton Manning and sets up the franchise for life after Peyton. Athletic linemen play well in Gary Kubiak's scheme and while Humphries is raw, he's highly athletic.

29. Indianapolis Colts -- Oklahoma DT Jordan Phillips: Chuck Pagano made it clear how important stopping the run is in 2015 after the Colts were unable to overcome the Patriots, thanks to coughing up yards in the physical ground game. Tons of potential and the ability to dominant in the middle early.

30. Green Bay Packers -- Virginia LB Eli Harold: Green Bay needs depth in the secondary but let's not forget how old Julius Peppers is. Harold would provide a boost in the pass rush and let Dom Capers continue to be creative with his use of Clay Matthews on the inside and outside.

31. New Orleans Saints (via Seattle Seahawks) -- Florida State OL Cameron Erving: The Saints want to get stronger in their running game. Erving isn't a mauling beast, but he's talented in the run game, has the versatility to boost the offense and provides insurance in case Max Unger gets injured again.

32. New England Patriots -- Utah CB Eric Rowe: With the losses of Brandon Browner and Darrelle Revis in free agency, Bill Belichick can take a stab at another cornerback.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25144807/nfl-mock-draft-40-redskins-go-receiver-in-first-round

[RealSNR]

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[The Franchise]

I'd rather take Kevin Johnson.

[planetdoc]

I would be pissed if the chiefs pass on Bud Dupree. He is perfect for the strong side and would be a perfect pairing with Ford.

[RealSNR]

Jaelen Strong makes zero sense for the Chiefs both theoretically and realistically.

We just got rid of Bowe, and now we're replacing him with Bowe 2.0? I thought the point of this offseason was to clean out the receivers who don't fit Andy Reid's offense and replace them with WRs who do? Not that Strong couldn't play in the offense, but why the fuck would you burn your first on someone who will never quite do everything you want him to do when you can find a player who WILL do all those things in the 2nd round and beyond?

90% of mock drafts written by sportswriters who just want to project the first round are garbage because all they think about is team need. If the last two drafts are any indication, John Dorsey DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK about team need, and he'd rather have his first round pick sit behind a veteran for one year than reach for a player he's not comfortable with just because there's a hole on the roster and some dude is available at 18.

The Chiefs are NOT going WR in the 1st round unless Parker or White fall to them or they trade up. There simply aren't the guys available that they want or need.

[RealSNR]

I'd rather take Clemmings or Peat than reach on a WR like Strong. That's how much I hate that pick.

If the board fell that way in picks 1-17, I'd want Kevin Johnson or Alvin Dupree from what that guy posts as his available players. My #1 player that I'd want (Marcus Peters) isn't even on this guy's radar in the first round, furthering the fact that this writer is a clueless dumbfuck.

[Direckshun]

I'd probably take Erving, but it would be incredibly hard to pass on Dupree or Johnson. Wow.

[gonefishin53]

Malcom Brown The most scheme versatile and position versatile DT would be perfect for Sutton's multiple front defense.

[TRR]

Jaelen Strong makes zero sense for the Chiefs both theoretically and realistically.

We just got rid of Bowe, and now we're replacing him with Bowe 2.0? I thought the point of this offseason was to clean out the receivers who don't fit Andy Reid's offense and replace them with WRs who do? Not that Strong couldn't play in the offense, but why the **** would you burn your first on someone who will never quite do everything you want him to do when you can find a player who WILL do all those things in the 2nd round and beyond?

90% of mock drafts written by sportswriters who just want to project the first round are garbage because all they think about is team need. If the last two drafts are any indication, John Dorsey DOES NOT GIVE A **** about team need, and he'd rather have his first round pick sit behind a veteran for one year than reach for a player he's not comfortable with just because there's a hole on the roster and some dude is available at 18.

The Chiefs are NOT going WR in the 1st round unless Parker or White fall to them or they trade up. There simply aren't the guys available that they want or need.

While Im not sure Strong fits here with the way this mock fell, calling him a reach (and Bowe 2.0) is a bit ridiculous. Strong's draft stock has been on the rise and I've seen some mocks have him above anyone not in the top 3 WRs. While he's a bigger guy, he is a much better route runner coming out of College than Bowe, and has MUCH better hands...something Bowe never improved upon.

I would support Strong at 18. If you don't take a WR at 18, we better hope Lockett or Dorsett are there in round 2. I have nightmares about rolling out Avant all year in that role.

[Direckshun]

Truth be told, there's literally no position Dorsey wouldn't draft at 18. We could use more talent at every position and only a glaring need at a couple.

[Rain Man]

Truth be told, there's literally no position Dorsey wouldn't draft at 18. We could use more talent at every position and only a glaring need at a couple.

I was just sitting here pondering if there was a position I'd veto based on a lack of need, and I can't really come up with one.


Defensive backs - Our group performed well, but a top-notch CB or S wouldn't be bad if he's the best talent.

Linebackers - Maybe not an OLB, but at the same time we don't know what will happen to Houston next year and Hali is getting old. And ILB is a huge question mark.

Defensive line - They played well, but it seemed like there wasn't much depth. An elite guy could start and move someone else to depth. Plus, we don't know exactly where Devito stands.

Offensive line - We all know the story here.

Tight end - Okay, a tight end would raise my eyebrows in the first round.

Wide receiver - We all know the story here.

Quarterback - The story. We know it.

Running back - Okay, this would raise my eyebrows, but at the same time it looks like two very strong talents will be available.

Kicker/punter - I'd probably not like a first-round pick here. I admit that.


The bottom line is that I wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs take the best available player, almost regardless of position.

[BigChiefFan]

I think it's a great pick. People act like he's some scrub. The guy is 6'2" and runs a 4.4 40 and was productive as Hell in college. He has sure hands and one of the most athletic players in the draft. He's also a workhorse who lives studying film. Strong is a bad ass in the making. He has number WR potential and he's been compared to DeMaryius Thomas. We need a big body, sure handed WR opposite Maclin and Strong fits the bill.

[O.city]

Would rather have agholor

[ThaVirus]

I was really hoping Trae Waynes would fall to us but it just seems like far too many teams before us could use a top-notch CB..

[Meatloaf]

I think it's a great pick. People act like he's some scrub. The guy is 6'2" and runs a 4.4 40 and was productive as Hell in college. He has sure hands and one of the most athletic players in the draft. He's also a workhorse who lives studying film. Strong is a bad ass in the making. He has number WR potential and he's been compared to DeMaryius Thomas. We need a big body, sure handed WR opposite Maclin and Strong fits the bill.

Agree with this, BCF. We definitely need a big, powerful WR to pair with Maclin. A younger, better hands Bowe would definitely compliment this WR corps.

[O.city]

I was really hoping Trae Waynes would fall to us but it just seems like far too many teams before us could use a top-notch CB..

I'd be afraid he's gonna be a penalty machine at the nfl level

[milkman]

If the draft fell like this, Dorsey would either take Kevin Johnson to prepare for Sean Smith's departure, or Alvin Dupree because of his measurables.

The third option would be Byron Jones, because he has the measurables, and he would fill the same role as Johnson.

I'd be really surprised if Strong is the pick, not because he doesn't fit the offense, but rather, he doesn't fit Alex Smith.

[RealSNR]

While Im not sure Strong fits here with the way this mock fell, calling him a reach (and Bowe 2.0) is a bit ridiculous. Strong's draft stock has been on the rise and I've seen some mocks have him above anyone not in the top 3 WRs. While he's a bigger guy, he is a much better route runner coming out of College than Bowe, and has MUCH better hands...something Bowe never improved upon.

I would support Strong at 18. If you don't take a WR at 18, we better hope Lockett or Dorsett are there in round 2. I have nightmares about rolling out Avant all year in that role.

If Strong is Bowe 2.0, that's pretty damn good.

Just not if he plays for the Kansas City Chiefs with Alex Smith as his QB.

In any case, can we agree that he's NOT the best available player at 18 with the way that mock falls? Guess what that means. John Dorsey doesn't want you.

[Mr. Laz]

Just because a WR is big and strong doesn't mean he is Bowe.

Body type doesn't have anything to do with route running,hands,focus or ability to separate.


Strong does seem more fast than quick though, which isn't ideal.


CB would probably be better in that scenerio, has the athleticism and speed to play outside in Sutton's system almost immediately.

[RealSNR]

Just because a WR is big and strong doesn't mean he is Bowe.

Body type doesn't have anything to do with route running,hands,focus or ability to separate.

Jaelen Strong isn't a particularly adept route runner or the most focused WR in this draft. And that's putting it lightly. He's not a flaming dumbass, but he's definitely got work to do in that area, just like Bowe did coming out of college.

[RealSNR]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jaelen-strong?id=2552463


STRENGTHS Good combination of height, weight and arm length for the position. Former high school basketball player who knows how to keep defenders on his hip. Drives back to the ball from top of the route. Adjusts routes in space. Developed nifty inside release to defeat press. Comfortable from slot, using varying route tempo for separation. Tracks ball well. Good strength in hands and makes contested catches. Decent leaper who will climb the ladder for a catch or sink and secure low throw. Strong lower body and physical after catch. Sun Devils used him frequently on shallow crossers, bubble screens and hitches.

WEAKNESSES Still raw and learning to play the position. Allows too many throws into his frame and ball will beat him up at times on crossers. Not twitchy or sudden as an athlete. Long-strider who takes a while to build up speed. Play speed average at best. Rarely gets separation deep against man-to-man. Routes need improvement. Forced to make a substantial amount of contested throws. Corners don't fear his speed and are able to sit on underneath throws.

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 1 or 2

SOURCES TELL US "He's not going to run fast, but it won't matter because any team who drafts him is going to have a plan for him. When he has a quarterback who can throw him open, his speed won't matter much. I love him." -- NFC West scout

NFL COMPARISON Dwayne Bowe

BOTTOM LINE Individual elements of Strong's game aren't awe-inspiring, but scouts really love the entirety of his game and where it is headed. His strength, size and ability to catch contested throws will be coveted by some, but his issues with separation quickness can only be solved if he becomes much better in his route-running. Strong looks the part of a physical, possession receiver with a relatively high floor.

I didn't even read the Bowe comparison. I arrived at that conclusion myself, and I saw this just now while googling for a scouting report to support my own thoughts on Strong.

Zierlein isn't the be-all-end-all voice of who or what a player is, but even if you don't think Strong is Bowe, you gotta admit that from watching his tape and reading what scouts like Zierlein think of him... that sounds pretty fucking Dwayne Boweish.

[BlackOp]

KC takes OL/DL/CB in the first....LB/WR in the 2nd.

DT Malcom Brown? It wouldn't be a bad idea to keep Poe a bit more fresh....or pair them together at times. Lockett/Agholor in the 2nd?

[DJ's left nut]

I would be pissed if the chiefs pass on Bud Dupree. He is perfect for the strong side and would be a perfect pairing with Ford.

This.

Jaelen Strong makes zero sense for the Chiefs both theoretically and realistically.

We just got rid of Bowe, and now we're replacing him with Bowe 2.0? I thought the point of this offseason was to clean out the receivers who don't fit Andy Reid's offense and replace them with WRs who do? Not that Strong couldn't play in the offense, but why the fuck would you burn your first on someone who will never quite do everything you want him to do when you can find a player who WILL do all those things in the 2nd round and beyond?

90% of mock drafts written by sportswriters who just want to project the first round are garbage because all they think about is team need. If the last two drafts are any indication, John Dorsey DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK about team need, and he'd rather have his first round pick sit behind a veteran for one year than reach for a player he's not comfortable with just because there's a hole on the roster and some dude is available at 18.

The Chiefs are NOT going WR in the 1st round unless Parker or White fall to them or they trade up. There simply aren't the guys available that they want or need.

Definitely this.

I just don't give a wet shit about any of these national guys anymore. They know far less about the Chiefs than we do.

[Chief Roundup]

Malcom Brown The most scheme versatile and position versatile DT would be perfect for Sutton's multiple front defense.

I can't help but wonder about this guy as well. He would make our front a long stronger and more versatile. This guy would help our run D and allow us to move Poe around and give him breathers to keep him fresh.
We have plenty of questions in Devito, Catapano and others.

[planetdoc]

If you watch Jalen Strong's highlight videos you will see that he is rarely not making contested catches. If he struggles to seperate at the college level, then the NFL will be an even bigger challenge for him.

Alex Smith prefers throwing to someone who is 'open' because he is risk averse. He doesnt like 'jump ball' situations. Strong is not a fit for this offense.

[BigChiefFan]

He's also been compared to Reggie Wayne and DeMaryius Thomas. Just saying.

[planetdoc]

allow us to move Poe around and give him breathers to keep him fresh.
We have plenty of questions in Devito, Catapano and others.

With the contract the chiefs gave Allen Bailey, there is no way that Devito wins the RDE job. Jay Howard played admirably at LDE. Devito is stron against the run, but innefective as a pass rusher. To me it makes the most sense to use him at NT to relieve Poe.

I also think that Poe needs to put some of that weight back on. He went from 346lb at the combine to playing at ~ 330 (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/01/dontari-poe-gives-up-barbecue-drops-15-20-pounds/)lbs in 2013 and ~315lbs by the end of the 2014 season.

[RealSNR]

He's also been compared to Reggie Wayne and DeMaryius Thomas. Just saying.

Who fucking cares?

[planetdoc]

He's also been compared to Reggie Wayne and DeMaryius Thomas. Just saying.

both of whom could consistently create seperation from dbs.....something that Strong struggles with.

[RunKC]

If the draft fell like this, Dorsey would either take Kevin Johnson to prepare for Sean Smith's departure, or Alvin Dupree because of his measurables.

The third option would be Byron Jones, because he has the measurables, and he would fill the same role as Johnson.

I'd be really surprised if Strong is the pick, not because he doesn't fit the offense, but rather, he doesn't fit Alex Smith.

I would put Ereck Flowers in this convo because of his measurables and him being a lineman.

[RealSNR]

both of whom could consistently create seperation from dbs.....something that Strong struggles with.

Also, Strong is kind of slow to accelerate off the line. That was absolutely not the case with Thomas and Wayne in college.

[MahiMike]

Dumbest mock I've seen yet. Even these writers are getting bored with these mocks.

[Chiefshrink]

KC takes OL/DL/CB in the first....LB/WR in the 2nd.

DT Malcom Brown? It wouldn't be a bad idea to keep Poe a bit more fresh....or pair them together at times. Lockett/Agholor in the 2nd?

I like this:clap:

[RunKC]

Jaelen Strong isn't a particularly adept route runner or the most focused WR in this draft. And that's putting it lightly. He's not a flaming dumbass, but he's definitely got work to do in that area, just like Bowe did coming out of college.

Agree here. After the top 3 the value drops for WR's until round 2.

[Chiefshrink]

any of these national guys anymore. They know far less about the Chiefs than we do.

And they always will. Never listen to the national sports media i.e. small market teams. They just skim the surface at face value. You will always be far more educated learning from our own well educated "college and pro fans" we have here in our 'draft forum' on CP than any national media pundit'. We are a small market and nobody knows the intricate needs like those who follow locally who really know football both college and pro.


Bottom line: If you are educated in the pro and college game, you know far more about your team's true needs than the national media puke.

[milkman]

And they always will. Never listen to the national sports media i.e. small market teams. They just skim the surface at face value. You will always be far more educated learning from our own well educated "college and pro fans" we have here in our 'draft forum' on CP than any national media pundit'. We are a small market and nobody knows the intricate needs like those who follow locally who really know football both college and pro.


Bottom line: If you are educated in the pro and college game, you know far more about your team's true needs than the national media puke.

Do you think that underlining things makes your stupid shit somehow more credible?

[TambaBerry]

Who's Kevin Johnson can someone write me a brief overview of the corner prospects?

[Chiefshrink]

Do you think that underlining things makes your stupid shit somehow more credible?

Do you think your condescending Napoleon Complex syndrome makes you more superior than anyone else here on the topic of football, little man??

Deal with you extreme insecurities because your bitter heart gets old.

[Chiefshrink]

Who's Kevin Johnson can someone write me a brief overview of the corner prospects?


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/kevin-johnson?id=2552261

[Willie Lanier]

Do you think that underlining things makes your stupid shit somehow more credible?

:clap:

[ThaVirus]

I'd be afraid he's gonna be a penalty machine at the nfl level

You may be right.

NFL draft profiles say he and Kevin Johnson were flagged 9 times each over the past two seasons.

[58-4ever]

http://draftbreakdown.com/luke-easterlings-2015-mock-draft-3-0-four-rounds/

Here is a 4 round mock for guys like me that go deep. Shitty first round for us though.

[TambaBerry]

http://draftbreakdown.com/luke-easterlings-2015-mock-draft-3-0-four-rounds/

Here is a 4 round mock for guys like me that go deep. Shitty first round for us though.

Please no

[58-4ever]

Please no

Yeah, after further review, that was bad all around. No way we take any of those guys....

[TRR]

If you watch Jalen Strong's highlight videos you will see that he is rarely not making contested catches. If he struggles to seperate at the college level, then the NFL will be an even bigger challenge for him.

Alex Smith prefers throwing to someone who is 'open' because he is risk averse. He doesnt like 'jump ball' situations. Strong is not a fit for this offense.

Because watching Strong's, or any players YouTube highlight videos, is the best way to judge what a player will be in the NFL.

Why are we so concerned about drafting for Alex Smith? Draft the best player that fits the system at that pick. If the Brass believes its Strong, then he is the guy. You can't base draft picks off of your current 30 year old journeyman QB.

[TRR]

If Strong is Bowe 2.0, that's pretty damn good.

Just not if he plays for the Kansas City Chiefs with Alex Smith as his QB.

In any case, can we agree that he's NOT the best available player at 18 with the way that mock falls? Guess what that means. John Dorsey doesn't want you.

It's a Mock draft. MOCK. We can agree...but this isn't how the draft will go...and everyone knows it. It doesn't excuse your other dumbass post.

[milkman]

Because watching Strong's, or any players YouTube highlight videos, is the best way to judge what a player will be in the NFL.

Why are we so concerned about drafting for Alex Smith? Draft the best player that fits the system at that pick. If the Brass believes its Strong, then he is the guy. You can't base draft picks off of your current 30 year old journeyman QB.

These guys are making a push this year, so when drafting potential targets, they damn well better be drafting for that journeyman QB, who they apparently consider more than that.

[milkman]

And, just for the record, a WR that relies on winning jump balls rather than separation isn't really a good fit for this offense.

[GloucesterChief]

2 RBs in the first round?

LOL.

[BigChiefFan]

Who ****ing cares?

Lets compare him to Bowe, but if anybody else sees a difference side of the player, how dare they mention it. :rolleyes: Jesus Christ.

[O.city]

You may be right.

NFL draft profiles say he and Kevin Johnson were flagged 9 times each over the past two seasons.

He's just very handsy and physical.

[Jim Lahey]

No to Jaelen Strong. Fucking no. He just doesn't seem fast to me. Don't think he'd get enough seperation for Smithers to throw to. If we don't grab Cooper, White, or Parker in 1, WR should be addressed in 2 or 3

[Titty Meat]

Jaelen Strong makes zero sense for the Chiefs both theoretically and realistically.

We just got rid of Bowe, and now we're replacing him with Bowe 2.0? I thought the point of this offseason was to clean out the receivers who don't fit Andy Reid's offense and replace them with WRs who do? Not that Strong couldn't play in the offense, but why the **** would you burn your first on someone who will never quite do everything you want him to do when you can find a player who WILL do all those things in the 2nd round and beyond?

90% of mock drafts written by sportswriters who just want to project the first round are garbage because all they think about is team need. If the last two drafts are any indication, John Dorsey DOES NOT GIVE A **** about team need, and he'd rather have his first round pick sit behind a veteran for one year than reach for a player he's not comfortable with just because there's a hole on the roster and some dude is available at 18.

The Chiefs are NOT going WR in the 1st round unless Parker or White fall to them or they trade up. There simply aren't the guys available that they want or need.

They got rid of Bowe because of his cap number and he lost a step. I don't like Strong though would rather draft Johnson or Irving.

[smith11]

If you watch Jalen Strong's highlight videos you will see that he is rarely not making contested catches. If he struggles to seperate at the college level, then the NFL will be an even bigger challenge for him.

Alex Smith prefers throwing to someone who is 'open' because he is risk averse. He doesnt like 'jump ball' situations. Strong is not a fit for this offense.

what receiver has alex smith ever played with, either at s.f. or k.c. that you would say is adept at going up and getting a jump ball..maybe there has been one but none come to mind

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Ugh. Just make the push for the aged, and let's get this farce the fuck over with, please.

[Easy 6]

Just 17 more days and we'll have genuine football topics to discuss again... Hallelujah.

My withdrawal symptoms have reached hallucinations stage...

[redshirt32]

We could only hope the draft falls this way, with Bud Dupree and Malcom Brown on the board !

More likely Armstead and Perriman are there when we draft,

[Dave Lane]

Do you think your condescending Napoleon Complex syndrome makes you more superior than anyone else here on the topic of football, little man??

Deal with you extreme insecurities because your bitter heart gets old.

The rest of all agree with him.

[Dave Lane]

what receiver has alex smith ever played with, either at s.f. or k.c. that you would say is adept at going up and getting a jump ball..maybe there has been one but none come to mind

He's not going to throw a jump ball so thats not even an issue.

[BigChiefFan]

How exactly does a player get 157 receptions for 2287 yards, 17 TDs with a 14.6 average in two seasons and not get separation? Is he going to take it to the house on every play? No, but name one player that will? Nobody takes it to the house on every reception. His production speaks for itself. Strong is a quality prospect, it's a shame not many can see it.

[Dunerdr]

Can you guys imagine how good we'd be if we had two seconds the last two years?

[RealSNR]

How exactly does a player get 157 receptions for 2287 yards, 17 TDs with a 14.6 average in two seasons and not get separation? Is he going to take it to the house on every play? No, but name one player that will? Nobody takes it to the house on every reception. His production speaks for itself. Strong is a quality prospect, it's a shame not many can see it.

Same way receivers like Kelvin Benjamin did that shit.

That's completely fine if you have a QB like Cam Newton willing to throw you the ball.

Smith will NOT throw to Jaelen Strong if we draft him.

Therefore, fuck him and fuck you.

[Reerun_KC]

Same way receivers like Kelvin Benjamin did that shit.

That's completely fine if you have a QB like Cam Newton willing to throw you the ball.

Smith will NOT throw to Jaelen Strong if we draft him.

Therefore, **** him and **** you.

Why throw him the ball when Reid's offense doesn't permit down field passing.

Crucifying Smith for executing Reid's offense is priceless.

Cp never disappoints.

[RunKC]

Why throw him the ball when Reid's offense doesn't permit down field passing.

Crucifying Smith for executing Reid's offense is priceless.

Cp never disappoints.

West Coast Offense..

[DJ's left nut]

Because watching Strong's, or any players YouTube highlight videos, is the best way to judge what a player will be in the NFL.

Why are we so concerned about drafting for Alex Smith? Draft the best player that fits the system at that pick. If the Brass believes its Strong, then he is the guy. You can't base draft picks off of your current 30 year old journeyman QB.

I'd be concerned about drafting for Reid's WCO.

Reid isn't going to want a Dwayne Bowe kind of player as his X in this offense; it's just not a good fit.

Take Smith out of the equation altogether if you want - Reid wants his guys fast and agile. He wants guys that can accelerate away from defenders and work in space. He wants guys that will get YAC yards.

He doesn't want Dwayne Bowe....at all. He won't want Strong. If he fell to the 2nd I still don't think the Chiefs would take him. He's not the kind of WR that Reid wants in this offense.

[BigChiefFan]

Same way receivers like Kelvin Benjamin did that shit.

That's completely fine if you have a QB like Cam Newton willing to throw you the ball.

Smith will NOT throw to Jaelen Strong if we draft him.

Therefore, **** him and **** you.Dude, eat shit. Do you have to be such an asshole, because someone has a differing opinion? Your opinion isn't the gospel. Fuck your Momma, you fucking hole.

[DJ's left nut]

How exactly does a player get 157 receptions for 2287 yards, 17 TDs with a 14.6 average in two seasons and not get separation? Is he going to take it to the house on every play? No, but name one player that will? Nobody takes it to the house on every reception. His production speaks for itself. Strong is a quality prospect, it's a shame not many can see it.

Dunno, but take a look:

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jaelen-strong-vs-steven-nelson-2014/

That's Steven Nelson spending an entire afternoon in Strong's pocket. Nelson's an okay prospect; probably a 3rd round guy. Strong just doesn't have the physical tools to shake free of a guy that's just an okay college prospect.

Admittedly, here's him playing better against a better prospect than Nelson in Marcus Peters:

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The takeaway I get from this is actually more of an indictment on Peters, however. Peters appears to be an absolute ass zone CB here. Perhaps he improved but any time he was asked to play zone or even plain ol' man coverage, he struggled to diagnose the route. When he was in press-man, however, he was able to neutralize Strong fairly easily. And for a guy that's supposed to simply be a bigger, more physical player than the DBs that are covering him, it was surprising to see Peters going blow for blow with Strong physically.

I just don't see him as being a good fit here and with the depth that will be available at WR throughout this draft, reaching for him in the first would just be a monumental failure.

[O.city]

If you're going to reach for a wr, why not agholor or Devin smith, guys who actually fit the x.

[Chief Roundup]

If you're going to reach for a wr, why not agholor or Devin smith, guys who actually fit the x.

No thanks to Devin Smith. He is a one trick pony and that trick is one that this O doesn't use and the QB is not good at.

[O.city]

Like dj said, take smith out of the equation and evaluate your wr.

Devin smith ran more than fly routes at osu, and would be a really interesting x wr here

[Chief Roundup]

Like dj said, take smith out of the equation and evaluate your wr.

Devin smith ran more than fly routes at osu, and would be a really interesting x wr here

Even without Alex we don't need to reach for a WR that basically only runs one route in the first.

[DJ's left nut]

Like dj said, take smith out of the equation and evaluate your wr.

Devin smith ran more than fly routes at osu, and would be a really interesting x wr here

Devin Smith has a chance to be what Donnie Avery would flash on occasion - just raw, silly speed both as a decoy to take the top off defenses but more importantly underneath to pluck those short passes in full gallop and try to gain the corner on drags, etc...

A healthy Donnie Avery was building much better chemistry with Smith than Bowe did and Smith was using him.

If you want to know what Reid wants in his X, just look at the guy he took out of FA to play it. He wants a guy like Devin Smith. He's not looking for Jaelen Strong.

Don't reach for any of them - I wouldn't take a WR in the first if the big 3 don't fall (and the big 3 won't fall).

[The Franchise]

Devin Smith has a chance to be what Donnie Avery would flash on occasion - just raw, silly speed both as a decoy to take the top off defenses but more importantly underneath to pluck those short passes in full gallop and try to gain the corner on drags, etc...

A healthy Donnie Avery was building much better chemistry with Smith than Bowe did and Smith was using him.

If you want to know what Reid wants in his X, just look at the guy he took out of FA to play it. He wants a guy like Devin Smith. He's not looking for Jaelen Strong.

Don't reach for any of them - I wouldn't take a WR in the first if the big 3 don't fall (and the big 3 won't fall).

This.

Algohor, Smith or Dorsett in the 2nd is just fine. I'd even entertain trading up in the 2nd to grab Algohor.

[O.city]

Lotta buzz that agholor is going late first.

[O.city]

Just because a guy wasn't asked to do something in college doesn't mean he cant

[Direckshun]

Count me amongst the Strong disbelievers.

He's Bowe 2.0. In the right system, he will be very good. But not Reid's system.

[redshirt32]

If 2 WRs go say..... every ten picks seems a reasonable rate.... for the first and 2nd rds.

We are looking at WRs graded 8 through 12 on your boards to select from, since we picked up Maclin, do you all think the Chiefs still wait until the 2nd rd to draft a WR, or wait even until the 3rd.
Be interesting to see what they do after bypassing last years talented group.

[RealSNR]

Dude, eat shit. Do you have to be such an asshole, because someone has a differing opinion? Your opinion isn't the gospel. Fuck your Momma, you fucking hole.

LMAO

You should know by now that this is how I treat most people on this forum. It's nothing personal against you, dude.

Hell, look how I treat Direckshun. He's a top 5 poster on this board, and in terms of producing the kinds of football discussions I like to get into, he's probably my favorite poster.

When I tell him to get AIDS from a 400-lb man's dried smegma, I don't actually think he should do it.

Lighten up. You're still wrong about Strong, but just learn to lighten up.

[Al Bundy]

What would Chiefs fans think about drafting Todd Gurley in the 1st round?

[RealSNR]

What would Chiefs fans think about drafting Todd Gurley in the 1st round?

I'd think about how much another airplane banner would cost

[planetdoc]

what receiver has alex smith ever played with, either at s.f. or k.c. that you would say is adept at going up and getting a jump ball..maybe there has been one but none come to mind

crabtree in SF
Bowe in KC

Why throw him the ball when Reid's offense doesn't permit down field passing.

Crucifying Smith for executing Reid's offense is priceless.

Cp never disappoints.

1. Reid's WC offense is based on a quick passing game and receivers YAC.

2. our oline play was terrible in 2014. It wouldnt have been prudent to have Smith hold onto the ball for a downfield play to develop. Alex would be exposed to even more hits/sacks.

3. Chiefs admitted when signing Maclin that they really didnt have a downfield threat in 2014 except for Wilson late in the season. They lost all confidence in Avery.

With an improved oline and receivers, I expect to see the chiefs to take more downfield shots this season. Only thing holding them back would be if the new starting center is terrible.

What would Chiefs fans think about drafting Todd Gurley in the 1st round?

it would be tough to pass on an adrian peterson type talent......which is exactly what I think Gurley is.

[Meatloaf]

What would Chiefs fans think about drafting Todd Gurley in the 1st round?

Contrary to Sir SNR, I wouldn't mind it at all. I'm knot a Knile Davis fan (fumbles too much, not a good enough receiver out of the backfield, not a skilled blocker, etc) so another top flight RB certainly wouldn't hurt. Would also probably prolong both Charles' and Gurley's careers. Not who I'd select, but I wouldn't be flying banners over it.

[RealSNR]

Contrary to Sir SNR, I wouldn't mind it at all. I'm knot a Knile Davis fan (fumbles too much, not a good enough receiver out of the backfield, not a skilled blocker, etc) so another top flight RB certainly wouldn't hurt. Would also probably prolong both Charles' and Gurley's careers. Not who I'd select, but I wouldn't be flying banners over it.

This is an insanely deep draft for RBs. If we're going to draft a 1st round RB, we can do a lot better than a dude like Gurley coming off a season-ending injury.

[BlackOp]

What would Chiefs fans think about drafting Todd Gurley in the 1st round?

I'd be OK with it....talent-wise he would probably be sitting at #1 on KC's board. If Charles were to get injured...the Chiefs season would tank.

I dont think they take him though...and I dont think they draft a WR at #18. I wouldn't be surprised if KC went defense in the first 3 rounds maybe a WR with one of the two 3rds..

[planetdoc]

This is an insanely deep draft for RBs. If we're going to draft a 1st round RB, we can do a lot better than a dude like Gurley coming off a season-ending injury.

If gurley wasnt injured he would be a top 5 talent. Chiefs would be in no position to draft him.

[Mr. Laz]

Drafting a RB wouldn't mean that Knile Davis would be cut. He would just be bumped down to 3rd string.

[planetdoc]

If Charles were to get injured...the Chiefs season would tank.

I dont think that is the case anymore. The team has a lot more weapons now.

[RealSNR]

I'd be OK with it....talent-wise he would probably be sitting at #1 on KC's board. If Charles were to get injured...the Chiefs season would tank.

I dont think they take him though...and I dont think they draft a WR at #18. I wouldn't be surprised if KC went defense in the first 3 rounds maybe a WR with one of the two 3rds..

We've been just fine with Knile Davis filling in for Charles. I think this is a load of bullshit.

Charles is still getting paid because he's still that much better than Davis. That's not to say that Davis is a piece of shit who is a liability to the team.

Ask teams like Cleveland, Cincinnati, Miami, or St. Louis if Knile Davis is a shitty RB who would tank their teams if he were their starting RB.

[Nickel D]

I'd rather take Clemmings or Peat than reach on a WR like Strong. That's how much I hate that pick.

If the board fell that way in picks 1-17, I'd want Kevin Johnson or Alvin Dupree from what that guy posts as his available players. My #1 player that I'd want (Marcus Peters) isn't even on this guy's radar in the first round, furthering the fact that this writer is a clueless dumb****.

Ditto.

[BWillie]

There's probably nothing I care about less than the NFL draft, except for the MLB draft. I have no clue why so many people care. History has shown, nobody really knows anything. All teams have the same playing field, you just need to get lucky, bottom line.

Chiefs could just run down the list of Mel Kiper Jrs board instead of hiring a GM, would yield virtually the same results.

[Easy 6]

I think everyone, including myself for a while, is starting to pigeonhole what Reids WCO does/doesnt require from its receivers too much.

Just because Alex Smith hates trying to throw guys open doesnt mean Reid HAS to have shiftier, smaller receivers to make things go... you can look back to long striding, 6'1 6'3 types in guys like Thrash, Pinkston, Baskett and TO as proof of that.

Strong isnt my preference either (although he was about all that was left to pick in my mock draft), but that doesnt mean he couldnt work in this offense... Bowe lost a lot of his suddenness to age, a younger version of him in Strong would look a lot better in this offense IMO.

[RealSNR]

There's probably nothing I care about less than the NFL draft, except for the MLB draft. I have no clue why so many people care. History has shown, nobody really knows anything. All teams have the same playing field, you just need to get lucky, bottom line.

Chiefs could just run down the list of Mel Kiper Jrs board instead of hiring a GM, would yield virtually the same results.

It's fun. Teams make WTF picks. You get to look at the girlfriends of all the guys in the green room. Certain players have red flags that are a big deal to some teams and not such a big deal to others. It's fun to see to whom and when they get drafted. And for fans of teams like the Chiefs, it's a great way to get excited about your team, because you're seeing the greater part of it get developed in front of your very eyes.

The draft was the biggest thing I cared about when the Chiefs were consistently going 4-12 and 2-14, and the more they get close to winning a playoff game without quite doing it under Andy Reid, the more the draft sets in as my favorite part of football.

Draft weekend is the best weekend of the year for me. I enjoy it more than Memorial Day weekend. I enjoy it more than the first Sunday of the regular season. And as I become an older and crankier man, I'll probably start to enjoy it more than Christmas some time from now, if the NFL is still a shell of what it is today.

[Easy 6]

Big Willie makes a decent point, but not all GM's and HC's are created equal when it comes to drafting... Ravens, Steelers, Seahawks, Packers, thats an abbreviated list of teams that draft better than most and therefore save themselves so many headaches down the line.

Not only can they spot talent, they can spot talent that fits the particular system they happen to be running at the time.

Herm Edwards could draft cover two secondary players like a mfer.

[Brock]

There's probably nothing I care about less than the NFL draft, except for the MLB draft. I have no clue why so many people care. History has shown, nobody really knows anything. All teams have the same playing field, you just need to get lucky, bottom line.

Chiefs could just run down the list of Mel Kiper Jrs board instead of hiring a GM, would yield virtually the same results.

So there aren't teams that draft better than others, and some historically great teams weren't built by genius level drafts? Good to know.

[Mr. Laz]

There's probably nothing I care about less than the NFL draft, except for the MLB draft. I have no clue why so many people care. History has shown, nobody really knows anything. All teams have the same playing field, you just need to get lucky, bottom line.

Chiefs could just run down the list of Mel Kiper Jrs board instead of hiring a GM, would yield virtually the same results.
nope

I just think what happens AFTER the player is drafted is really,really important.

Hypothetically ... Cleveland and New England draft the same player. Imo the results would likely be drastically different. One place would draft the player knowing whether he would fit their system. One place would teach and develop the player in an effective manner. One place would have players around the draftee to keep him on the right path and demand motivation.

..... the other place is Cleveland.


Same player, same game ... completely different results.

There are exceptions, some players rise above their situation and will succeed regardless. Most players reflect their surroundings.

[Easy 6]

Tons of truth in that post, Laz.

[O.city]

So there aren't teams that draft better than others, and some historically great teams weren't built by genius level drafts? Good to know.

I did read an article the other day, where statistically speaking, the draft is basically a crapshoot. I don't remember where and I didn't really agree with it, but it was out there

[O.city]

nope

I just think what happens AFTER the player is drafted is really,really important.

Hypothetically ... Cleveland and New England draft the same player. Imo the results would likely be drastically different. One place would draft the player knowing whether he would fit their system. One place would teach and develop the player in an effective manner. One place would have players around the draftee to keep him on the right path and demand motivation.

..... the other place is Cleveland.


Same player, same game ... completely different results.

There are exceptions, some players rise above their situation and will succeed regardless. Most players reflect their surroundings.

Quite honestly, I think the development after is more important than the pick.

[Brock]

I did read an article the other day, where statistically speaking, the draft is basically a crapshoot. I don't remember where and I didn't really agree with it, but it was out there

Ok.

[Mr. Laz]

Tons of truth in that post, Laz.

Then where is my rep? :deevee:

[Easy 6]

Then where is my rep? :deevee:

**** your rep, bitch!!!

[Meatloaf]

Ok, I'll say it. I'm definitely a proponent of selecting Strong at #18. I think our WR corps is still a little weak, and a skilled, big bodied guy would fill out this group nicely.

Truth be told, I think the Chiefs could go absolutely anywhere with this draft. Heck, in mocks I've seen, it seems we end up with a different guy in every mock. Gonna be a very interesting draft this year.

However, if I HAD to put some $$$ on who I think the Chiefs will select at #18, my money would be on Malcom Brown, DT, Texas.

[BlackOp]

We've been just fine with Knile Davis filling in for Charles. I think this is a load of bullshit.

Charles is still getting paid because he's still that much better than Davis. That's not to say that Davis is a piece of shit who is a liability to the team.

Ask teams like Cleveland, Cincinnati, Miami, or St. Louis if Knile Davis is a shitty RB who would tank their teams if he were their starting RB.

I have nothing against Davis...I think he has been better than expected. I wouldn't base an entire running game around him though. He's good when Charles needs a breather...but is nowhere near as talented. This is probably moot anyway as the Chargers will likely take him. Face it..KC's offense runs through Charles...

[Chief Roundup]

However, if I HAD to put some $$$ on who I think the Chiefs will select at #18, my money would be on Malcom Brown, DT, Texas.

"He began playing organized football at seven years old, so Brown was quite the veteran defensive lineman at Brenham (Texas) High when he was named prep All-America and then played in the 2012 Under Armour All American game. At Texas, Brown played in all 13 games as a freshman and became a dominant starter all 26 games as a junior and senior, finishing 2014 with 64 tackles, including 14 for loss and 6.5 sacks.

Not to confuse experience with maturity, Brown shows plenty of the latter as a husband and responsible parent for two daughters. But this big daddy's best asset on the field is size as he easily fills out that broad, 6-foot-4 frame with 320 pounds of muscle that serves him well as a stout run-stopper. Although he has quick feet, Brown lacks the agility necessary to be a constant pass-rush threat. Still his resume' as a 4-3 defensive end and nose tackle and end in a 3-4 should help him get a job offer early in this draft."

"Brown is an interesting prospect as he has the speed quickness to serve as a three-technique with enough size and strength to also play nose tackle. Brown is at his best when he is firing a gap to cause havoc in the backfield."

He would make a lot of sense.

[Mr. Laz]

Dorsey wants guys in the trenches.

[Easy 6]

Ok, I'll say it. I'm definitely a proponent of selecting Strong at #18. I think our WR corps is still a little weak, and a skilled, big bodied guy would fill out this group nicely.

That's pretty much the line I used to justify taking him in my mock, and its actually something I've said from the beginning of my time here... I like a receiver corp with some versatility.

If the trend in the offense says go up and get it, give me 3-4 bruisers that can go up and get it and round out the rest with quicksters.

If the trend is separation, give me 3-4 jitterbugs and round out the corp with big bodies... go too far one way and you get the Oilers Smurfs, go too far the other and you get the Jaguars bunch of smallish tight ends playing receiver.

[Meatloaf]

That's pretty much the line I used to justify taking him in my mock, and its actually something I've said from the beginning of my time here... I like a receiver corp with some versatility.

If the trend in the offense says go up and get it, give me 3-4 bruisers that can go up and get it and round out the rest with quicksters.

If the trend is separation, give me 3-4 jitterbugs and round out the corp with big bodies... go too far one way and you get the Oilers Smurfs, go too far the other and you get the Jaguars bunch of smallish tight ends playing receiver.

I like your thinking, Easy!!! :thumb:

[OnTheWarpath15]

nope

I just think what happens AFTER the player is drafted is really,really important.

Hypothetically ... Cleveland and New England draft the same player. Imo the results would likely be drastically different. One place would draft the player knowing whether he would fit their system. One place would teach and develop the player in an effective manner. One place would have players around the draftee to keep him on the right path and demand motivation.

..... the other place is Cleveland.


Same player, same game ... completely different results.

There are exceptions, some players rise above their situation and will succeed regardless. Most players reflect their surroundings.

Spot on, Laz.

Which is why it makes me laugh when someone makes a claim like, "I'm glad we didn't draft (insert player here) because he was a bust."

He was a bust where he was drafted - no guarantees they would have performed the same here.

[The Franchise]

Spot on, Laz.

Which is why it makes me laugh when someone makes a claim like, "I'm glad we didn't draft (insert player here) because he was a bust."

He was a bust where he was drafted - no guarantees they would have performed the same here.

Which is why I would have drafted Dion Jordan over Eric Fisher.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Which is why I would have drafted Dion Jordan over Eric Fisher.

You're not going to get an argument from me, you know my position on drafting OL with R1 picks.

With that said, with the shitty "drafting" this organization has done, it makes you wonder whether they are doing a piss poor job of evaluating the talent, coaching up the talent, or both?

[BigChiefFan]

LMAO

You should know by now that this is how I treat most people on this forum. It's nothing personal against you, dude.

Hell, look how I treat Direckshun. He's a top 5 poster on this board, and in terms of producing the kinds of football discussions I like to get into, he's probably my favorite poster.

When I tell him to get AIDS from a 400-lb man's dried smegma, I don't actually think he should do it.

Lighten up. You're still wrong about Strong, but just learn to lighten up.
Fair enough, you just caught me on bad day. Lol.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If you're going to choose your offensive talent based upon the skill-set of a 30-something game manager with a severe case of poopy-pants, then you probably have the beetus, and should drink a kiddie pool-sized Slurpee.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Today's completely worthless mock reports:

18. Kansas City Chiefs: Cameron Erving, IOL, Florida State



I'm shocked.

[Coogs]

Since we run a 2-4-5 quite a bit of the time, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the 3 defensive tackles left on the board be the pick to go along side Poe. Would make us solid against the run, and provide more pass rush up the middle.

[Dunerdr]

If you're going to choose your offensive talent based upon the skill-set of a 30-something game manager with a severe case of poopy-pants, then you probably have the beetus, and should drink a kiddie pool-sized Slurpee.
We don't talk about that here it hurts true fans feelers.

[Titty Meat]

You're not going to get an argument from me, you know my position on drafting OL with R1 picks.

With that said, with the shitty "drafting" this organization has done, it makes you wonder whether they are doing a piss poor job of evaluating the talent, coaching up the talent, or both?

You're high if you think this team has done a shitty job at coaching.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You're high if you think this team has done a shitty job at coaching.

That's the one thing the Chiefs have; good player coaching. Game day coaching? Meh.

[DJ's left nut]

This is an insanely deep draft for RBs. If we're going to draft a 1st round RB, we can do a lot better than a dude like Gurley coming off a season-ending injury.

Yeah, anytime we can get a guy with a serious knee injury who may not have even been the best RB on his college team (seriously, Chubb was a monster) then we have to grab him.

Gurley would be a pretty terrible pick. It would be Cameron Erving or Jaelen Strong bad.

[O.city]

Yeah, anytime we can get a guy with a serious knee injury who may not have even been the best RB on his college team (seriously, Chubb was a monster) then we have to grab him.

Gurley would be a pretty terrible pick. It would be Cameron Erving or Jaelen Strong bad.

If not for the injury, top 10 pick. Chubb is absolutely a badass, but gurley is too.

Personally wouldn't take him, but I bet a team late first might.

[Mr. Laz]

We don't talk about that here it hurts true fans feelers.

No, you stupid fuck. It's just be discussed in virtually every dam thread for the last 2 years.

[Faddy Yomama]

I'd rather take Green-Beckham.

[BigChiefFan]

The only way to move the chains is to catch the ball. Extrordinary speed would be great, but catching the ball means longer possessions and more opportunities to score. The fastest, sure handed guys will be gone by the 15th pick. I just don't get the hate on Strong, he's everything you could ask for out of a prototypical recever. Great heigth, 4.4 speed and sure hands.

[planetdoc]

I just don't get the hate on Strong, he's everything you could ask for out of a prototypical recever. Great heigth, 4.4 speed and sure hands.

The issue is that he doesnt play to that speed. He doesnt have football speed, he has shorts speed. Watch any of his tape and he is usually draped by a db. The tape doesnt lie.

If he struggles to seperate in college, then how in the world will he seperate in the NFL?

[RealSNR]

The only way to move the chains is to catch the ball. Extrordinary speed would be great, but catching the ball means longer possessions and more opportunities to score. The fastest, sure handed guys will be gone by the 15th pick. I just don't get the hate on Strong, he's everything you could ask for out of a prototypical recever. Great heigth, 4.4 speed and sure hands.

He's exactly what people bitched about with Bowe for years. He's a body catcher. I wouldn't say he has sure hands at all.

[RealSNR]

I don't care if he caught every pass that ever hit him on the hands. If you don't have 10+ yards of downfield separation, Alex Smith won't throw it to you. Period.

[O.city]

Snr, when I was running this morning seven nation army came on pandora. Do I get excited for that or not, I can't remember?

[RealSNR]

Snr, when I was running this morning seven nation army came on pandora. Do I get excited for that or not, I can't remember?


You can get excited for it if you want to. It just makes you a flaming retard, that's all

[Mr. Laz]

I don't care if he caught every pass that ever hit him on the hands. If you don't have 10+ yards of downfield separation, Alex Smith won't throw it to you. Period.
and you talk shit about my hyperbole .....

:doh!:

[OnTheWarpath15]

You're high if you think this team has done a shitty job at coaching.

Notice I said organization - meaning "over time". Our drafts have been pretty shitty for a while now.

Again - is it the coaching, the talent evaluation, or both?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Today's utterly contemptible, dumber than a bag of fucking hammers mock reports:

The Pick: Center Cameron Erving, Florida State

[thabear04]

Now that I doubt Strong will be drafted for the Chiefs.

The medical rechecks for 2015 NFL Draft prospects are scheduled for this weekend in Indianapolis, and Arizona State wide receiver Jaelen Strong is among the players that will be under examination.

The potential first-round pick has a broken bone in his wrist and likely will need surgery, according to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Now that I doubt Strong will be drafted for the Chiefs.

The medical rechecks for 2015 NFL Draft prospects are scheduled for this weekend in Indianapolis, and Arizona State wide receiver Jaelen Strong is among the players that will be under examination.

The potential first-round pick has a broken bone in his wrist and likely will need surgery, according to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport.

Are you kidding?

This regime has pretty much ignored any other medical red flags before drafting a player, why would they start now?

[Rausch]

Today's utterly contemptible, dumber than a bag of ****ing hammers mock reports:

LMAO

[ModSocks]

The issue is that he doesnt play to that speed. He doesnt have football speed, he has shorts speed. Watch any of his tape and he is usually draped by a db. The tape doesnt lie.

If he struggles to seperate in college, then how in the world will he seperate in the NFL?

This.

I was watching him play on YouTube and i thought to myself, "Man, this guy is a younger Dwayne Bowe". Then i read his profile on NFL.com and sure enough, they compared him to Dwayne Bowe.

If a receiver doesn't get separation in college, he sure as fuck won't get it in the NFL.

[Rausch]

This.

I was watching him play on YouTube and i thought to myself, "Man, this guy is a younger Dwayne Bowe". Then i read his profile on NFL.com and sure enough, they compared him to Dwayne Bowe.

If a receiver doesn't get separation in college, he sure as **** won't get it in the NFL.

Which is even more important in a WCO.

It's absolutely essential in a WCO with Smith...

[RealSNR]

This.

I was watching him play on YouTube and i thought to myself, "Man, this guy is a younger Dwayne Bowe". Then i read his profile on NFL.com and sure enough, they compared him to Dwayne Bowe.

If a receiver doesn't get separation in college, he sure as fuck won't get it in the NFL.

Laz told me you can't compare him to Dwayne Bowe just because he has Dwayne Bowe's EXACT strengths and weaknesses as a college player.

[Direckshun]

Remember when Bowe's blocking was hailed in those scouting reports?

"He'll hunt linebackers" was something scouts said that now just looks indescribably stupid.