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kccrow

04-15-2015, 04:18 AM

Well, its that time of year where I put on my "WannabeGM" hat and tell the world what I'd like to see the Chiefs do in the draft. They never, ever, do it and most often it results in me screaming at the TV for an entire weekend. In the season that follows, I usually continue to scream at the TV. I remain bitter about KC not taking Jordan Matthews in round one last season, and I'll never get over them passing on Aaron Rodgers... Without further ado, enjoy.

UPDATE: 04/25/2015

Round 1, Selection 18
Phillip Dorsett - WR - Miami
5'10" 185
40-yd Dash: 4.33 s
Vertical Jump: 37.0"
Broad Jump: 122"
3-Cone Drill: 6.70 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.11 s
Bench Press: 13 r
ACC

Scouting Report
An incredibly fast receiver with blurring change of direction ability that keeps defenders from matching up in man-to-man coverage against him effectively. Solid router runner at all levels, but needs continued work there. Can absolutely take the top off a defense with his deep speed and ability to track the ball down the field. Joystick-like abilities make him a threat to take it the house on any play. Can stop, start, and turn on a dime. Attacks the football especially well for his stature. Able to catch the ball in contested situations rather well. Has shown he can take hits on crossing patterns. Very dynamic playmaker with similar attributes to smaller receivers making big contributions in the NFL right now.

Thoughts
You look at guys like Pittsburgh's Antonio Brown, New Orleans' Brandin Cooks, or Washington's DeSean Jackson (formerly with Reid in Philadelphia), and these are guys that have been productive in the NFL not only from the slot but on the outside. You can't teach speed and you can't teach insane agility to leave corners in the dust. Andy Reid and John Dorsey attempted to get another diminutively-sized receiver last year in Emmanuel Sanders (5'11" 180), so it isn't going to be out of the realm of possibility that they'll look to try to add explosive capabilities to their offense once again even given a lack of ideal size. Dorsett is a near impossible cover one-on-one with the ability to separate immediately and get deep, much the same as DeSean Jackson. His dual-threat ability will be appealing and have Reid reminiscing about his Maclin/Jackson pairing a few years ago. If Dorsett can replicate Jackson's return on investment (with multiple 1,000 yard seasons) when paired with Maclin, then it's hard to argue against him in round 1.

Round 2, Selection 49
Stephone Anthony - ILB - Clemson
6'3" 243
40-yd Dash: 4.56 s
Vertical Jump: 37.0"
Broad Jump: 122"
3-Cone Drill: 7.07 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.03 s
Bench Press: 23 r
ACC

Scouting Report
Solid movement skills, showing the range to cover sideline-to-sideline. Adequate tackler that can lay impressive hits at times. Shows the ability to be a cover linebacker against TEs. Similar to an early Derrick Johnson athletically and physically. Needs to develop technique to shed as well as the strength to be a downhill force, but still makes plays at the line. While adequate filling downhill, could learn more in the film room to look more instinctive. Looks like a classic MIKE in time.

Thoughts

Many are thinking that Anthony will somehow be a first round selection because of teams showing interest in him that are at the end of the round, but scouts seem to think that's a bit early. In fact, NFL Draft Scout/CBS, who have historically had a great bead on player draft values, recently downgraded his status to the 68th overall rated player with a 2nd-3rd round grade which indicates they feel the same way. It is also rare for a player rated 4th or 5th in most ratings at the position would be the first one at that position drafted and go in round one. One thing for certain is that Anthony shows elite level athletic traits and was fairly productive in a good conference. Anthony needs some technique coaching and definite film work to become a better player. I compare Anthony favorably to current Chiefs' linebacker Derrick Johnson. With a glaring hole at the position when Johnson went down, it is critical that KC adds a quality player and not just street free agents going forward.

Round 3, Selection 80
Henry Anderson - DE - Stanford
6'6" 294
40-yd Dash: 5.03 s
Vertical Jump: 30.0"
Broad Jump: 111"
3-Cone Drill: 7.20 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.19 s
Bench Press: 23 r
PAC 12

Scouting Report
Active and relentless defensive end that has played in multiple fronts at Stanford. Non-stop motor type with great size and excellent arm length (33-1/2"). Disruptive and penetrating at the point of attack, being one of the conferences leaders in tackles for a loss. Shows good initial burst and punch, as well as adequate bend and change of direction skills to put pressure on the quarterback. Needs to improve his explosiveness. Has the look of a starter once he improves his functional lower body strength and explosion as well as pass rush technique. Makes himself thin to split blockers. Great in pursuit and takes good angles.

Thoughts
The Chiefs have lucked out in having Allen Bailey develop into a high quality defensive end, but the other side isn't quite as clear cut. While Jaye Howard looks like he could have a rather solid future, he isn't signed beyond 2015 and one has to wonder what his price tag will be if he has another solid outing. The Chiefs really don't know for sure what they are going to be getting out of Mike DeVito coming off an Achilles injury, especially given he relies exclusively on his ability to anchor against multiple lineman in the run game. After Haye and DeVito, things get murky at the position with no proven players for depth. Anderson has the look of a solid all-around player that can stuff the run but generate some pass rush.

Previously: Tre McBride, WR, William & Mary
Note: Moved Anderson up from 98 to 80.

Round 3, Selection 98
Mitch Morse - OL - Missouri
6'5" 305
40-yd Dash: 5.14 s
Vertical Jump: 31.0"
Broad Jump: 112"
3-Cone Drill: 7.60 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.50 s
Bench Press: 36 r
SEC

Scouting Report
Fundamentally sound offensive lineman with versatility having played center and right tackle at Missouri. Likely home at center or guard where his ability to seal and wall is best used. Functionally strong with the ability to latch on and drive defenders off the ball. A true "its over if he gets his hands on you" type of blocker. Uses momentum to redirect and shield defenders from making plays. Bends well at the knees with a positive anchor, not giving up ground easily. Very solid technique that will translate to him gaining a roster spot immediately as he works on adjusting back inside in the pros. Needs to learn to keep his head up in pass protection. Moves well to get to the second level blocks, but needs to work on making contact and sticking to blocks.

Thoughts
The Chiefs let Rodney Hudson walk to Oakland, which I thought was a terrible move. Hudson was becoming a premier center in the league and could do everything Andy Reid likes a center to do. However, given the price tag Hudson commanded, there is some comfort in knowing Dorsey made a good decision overall. I do like Kush as a potential replacement and think he'll perform fine as the starter there. The Chiefs do need a good backup there though, despite some other lineman like Fulton having been given snaps in practice a few times. Morse began his career at Mizzou as a center before injuries forced him outside to right tackle where he performed quite well. Morse is very technically sound and does everything pretty well. He has immediate pro strength so he can contribute out the gate. Morse doesn't have the lateral kick slide to consistently man the tackle position but he could spot start there if needed and he can play center or guard and possibly start immediately.

Previously: Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford

Round 4, Selection 118
Adrian Amos - FS - Penn State
6'0" 218
40-yd Dash: 4.56 s
Vertical Jump: 35.5"
Broad Jump: 122"
3-Cone Drill: 7.09 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.03 s
Bench Press: 21 r
BIG 10

Scouting Report
Very active safety that can cover quite a bit of ground quickly. Can play the ball well and create some turnovers. Sticky in man coverage and plays zone well. Experience as a corner helps tremendously. Not a lights-out tackler, but effective. All-around solid game that won't cost you big plays. Looks to be a prototypical single-high type that you can rely on. Not an in-the-box type that can routinely shed moving lineman and make plays downhill. Very similar to Husain Abdullah.

Thoughts
The Chiefs don't exactly have a group of world beaters at the safety position, but they've been solid and that has been a blessing in disguise for the defense. Husain Abdullah has been magnificent in that he can do anything Bob Sutton asks him to do effectively, but Abdullah is heading into the end of his career and will be a free agent following the season. The Chiefs brought in Tyvon Branch, a solid player when healthy, but the jury will be out on him and he's on a one-year deal. The Chiefs locked up the other safety spot by re-signing Ron Parker to a long-term deal, but they need to be thinking about the fact that Eric Berry may never play football again. Amos comes in the same mould as Abdullah in that he can do pretty much everything pretty well even if he isn't special in any one area. Especially nice is that Amos might even be able to play corner in the NFL, the position he started at in college. Having Amos' coverage abilities will allow Sutton to continue doing what he does best with the rest of the defense.

Note: I would be equally as happy with Northwestern S Ibraheim Campbell.

Round 5, Selection 172
Laurence Gibson - OT - Virginia Tech
6'6" 305
40-yd Dash: 5.04 s
Vertical Jump: 33.5"
Broad Jump: 113"
3-Cone Drill: 7.72 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.56 s
Bench Press: 24 r
ACC

Scouting Report
Very athletically gifted tackle prospect. Very solid kick slide with lateral agility to mirror edge rushers. Seals and runs defenders around the pocket. Has shown that he can be very effective when he's able to lock on and drive defenders. Able to get to the second level and move in space. Must get stronger. Not functionally strong enough to play initially. Needs technique work on hand placement. Must learn how to better use leverage to drive defenders off the ball. Definitely has the tools but needs better coaching and a year in the weight room. Very smart with dual-degree, team leader, and reportedly takes well to coaching. Pure developmental prospect to season on the bench with the possibility he can be a left tackle in the league.

Thoughts
Some people just aren't that high on "projects," but I like late round guys that have some potential and fit hard-to-fill positions. Gibson is just that, a left tackle project. I'm not yet convinced that Eric Fisher is going to make it at left tackle, but I'd rather not watch the Chiefs spend a high round pick on an insurance policy. The fact that there are four players on the roster right now fighting for the right tackle job leads me to believe that Dorsey isn't going to go all-in on another tackle early. That being said, I think the Chiefs need to roll the dice and add more competition to the mix. If Gibson can get the technique problems ironed out early on he could be a backup immediately while he works on strength.

Round 5, Selection 173
Darryl Roberts - CB - Marshall
5'11" 187
40-yd Dash: 4.38 s
Vertical Jump: 39.0"
Broad Jump: 133"
3-Cone Drill: 6.66 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.06 s
Bench Press: 23 r
C-USA

Scouting Report
Athletic cover corner that sticks in the back pocket of receivers from start to finish. Physical in press with good transitional skills to stay with his man off the jam. Top zone and off-man coverage skills. Displays outstanding awareness against the run and fills extremely well downhill, shedding blocks and making tackles in space. A hitter, almost linebacker mentality in cornerback body. Gets his hands on the football to disrupt passes (17 PBUs as a Senior) and contests everything. Needs to do a better job of turning his body to the ball and not get caught playing the receiver instead. Needs to work on ball skills to turn breakups into interceptions.

Thoughts
I'm a firm believer that corner is one of those positions you can never be too strong at. Injuries happen often and in a passing league you have to be able to cover. This is one reason I nearly decided to put Kevin Johnson of Wake Forest as the 1st round selection for the Chiefs. That said, this isn't a year where KC is in panic mode and must get an immediate starter. Phillip Gaines came on strong the second half of his rookie season and he looks like he is ready to start going into year two. Jamell Fleming also looked very solid and he can likely man the slot. However, the Chiefs do have the potential to lose both Sean Smith and Fleming to free agency following the season, so they should at least work to improve depth. Roberts is the type of corner that Dorsey has traditionally found attractive in that he has solid height/weight with great speed, agility, and leaping ability, plus he can play a variety of coverages. Roberts added value immediately would come on special teams given he's an outstanding tackler.

Round 6, Selection 193
Casey Pierce - TE - Kent State
6'3" 244
40-yd Dash: 4.77 s
Vertical Jump: 36.5"
Broad Jump: 118"
3-Cone Drill: 6.97 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.22 s
Bench Press: 19 r
OAC

Scouting Report
A move tight end, Pierce is a very solid blocker and reliable target. Pierce has a knack for getting open and was essentially all of Kent State's offense in 2014 with 60 catches. Very reliable hands. Even though Pierce won't destroy the seam up field, he'll find the soft spots in zones and work to get open. Possess top level agility for a tight end, allowing for quick separation on short routes. Pierce is a classic type tight end that will do everything well and nothing flashy.

Thoughts
The Chiefs let Anthony Fasano go and while they signed Demetrius Harris and Richard Gordon, I'm sure they aren't considering themselves set at the position by any means. Andy Reid showed that he likes to use multiple tight end sets, so it is imperative they find a reliable number two opposite Kelce with Harris coming in for three tight end looks once again while he continues to learn how to block. Pierce is NFL ready as a blocker and effective enough as a receiver to be a 25 catch guy. Reid and Dorsey hand-picked Anthony Fasano as a free agent and he was effective in his role, but just wasn't worth his price tag any longer. Pierce is extremely similar and could be a plug-and-play type of option late for the Chiefs.

Previously: Greg Mancz, OC, Toledo
Note: Moved Pierce up from 217 to 193

Round 6, Selection 217
Tyrell Williams - WR - Western Oregon
6'3" 204
40-yd Dash: 4.43 s
Vertical Jump: 39.5"
Broad Jump: 127"
3-Cone Drill: 6.74 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.17 s
Bench Press: n/a
GNAC (D-II)

Scouting Report
Fast and quick receiver with solid NFL size. Smooth accelerator and also has the speed to run away from defensive backs. Sets up defensive backs well on double-moves. Solid route runner, ran the route tree. Hands catcher that attacks the football. Shows the ability to make tough catches in traffic. Good blocker in space. Good at adjusting to deep balls and making big plays down the field. Has the makings of a reliable #2 or slot option given his toughness over the middle. Will have to adjust to NFL game speed and talent, will require seasoning. Did not drop a pass catching balls from Sean Mannion at Oregon State pro day in front of scouts.

Thoughts
The Chiefs added Jeremy Maclin and have Albert Wilson returning with some sort of promise. After that, Kansas City has a bunch of unknowns and an old veteran in Jason Avant that isn't the future beyond this season. The Chiefs need to add as much talent as they possibly can at the receiver position and sift out the trash. In a deep draft once again at the position, I believe the Chiefs should go to the well more than once and truly fix one of its worst position groups, if not the worst, on the roster for the foreseeable future. Williams is a guy that I think has the speed to make it as an outside threat, but he also has the, agility, toughness and secure hands that would make him a tough cover inside as a slot option.

Previously: Casey Pierce, TE, Kent State

Round 7, Selection 233
Brandon Cottom - FB/HB - Purdue
6'2" 262
40-yd Dash: 4.62 s
Vertical Jump: 33.5"
Broad Jump: 117"
3-Cone Drill: 7.06 s
20-yd Shuttle: 4.33 s
Bench Press: 22 r
BIG 10

Scouting Report
Big back that runs with bad intentions and can bulldoze defenders in the mould of "The Bus." Outstanding quickness and acceleration to the corner for a man of his size. Can run wide zone, a rare trait at 262 pounds. Good agility and balance, making him a nightmare to bring down. A very good blocker at all levels, finds his man and takes him out of the play. Outstanding pass receiver with traits that would make him a very good H-back and move player in the NFL. Can beat defenders down the seam and to the corner. Catches with extended hands. Valuable in 3rd down, short yardage, and goal line situations.

Thoughts
Yes, the Chiefs have Anthony Sherman and he is a very good FB in the NFL. I see Cottom as a guy you can move around all over the field and create mismatches. He can run the football for you, whether it be as the tailback or as the fullback. You can move him out as a blocker. You can put him in space one-on-one against linebackers and he'll win as a pass receiver. He's got enough size to play tight end. This is a guy I just love as a football player. He gives you ability at three positions in one package. His versatility with limited NFL rosters is a huge plus.

Previously: Alec May, DE, Georgetown

the Talking Can

04-15-2015, 05:36 AM

I could live with that

chiefscafan

04-15-2015, 08:19 AM

Kc if you really want Dorsett we need to trade down with Arizona they have 24th pick and need a RB. They have to get ahead of Dallas to do that so they may be willing to trade up. Try to get an extra second or third out of the deal and take Dorsett who will be somewhere between 24-31 picks.

I'm all for it love Phillip. For ILB I may be in the minority I want Perryman he reminds me of Ray Lewis and Jonathan vilma the way he plays. We need that nasty swagger ILB who makes you think twice bout going over the middle.

Third round I like tre mcbride or Austin Hill I think Austin is a definite sleeper he is fully recovered from injury.

Finally I want David Parry from Stanford somewhere in this draft. The guy has a motor that doesn't stop and versatility can play both DT or DE. He would add great depth and eventually challenge for a starting position.

Direckshun

04-15-2015, 10:20 AM

Does it concern you that we'll have almost no red zone threats in our offense?

Reaper16

04-15-2015, 06:03 PM

I KIND of like that you're targeting Henderson State's QB as a UDFA, because Henderson State has been the NCAA leader in many offensive categories lately, but it should be pointed out that lots of the throws from that system are about 5 yards (that get taken for extra YPG because they've got packages that are similar to pick plays but utilize much more space). He miiiiiight be worth a developmental flyer in a west coast offense, but I don't see a high ceiling on him at all. If anything you should be looking at the WRs from that team if you want to get an HSU player as a UDFA, especially Darius Davis.

*CP's resident D2 guy whistles as he moves on*

Urc Burry

04-15-2015, 06:13 PM

Does it concern you that we'll have almost no red zone threats in our offense?

I hate that kind of thinking. Reid's Eagles wr's weren't exactly tall, and Alex doesn't exactly throw fade routes. If a receiver can get seperation in the RZ I will take that all day. We have a big and elite target in Kelce if you really want that size.

Antonio Brown went for 13 td's
Maclin 10 and so on..

Saccopoo

04-15-2015, 06:38 PM

You done jumped the fuckin' shark.

Dorsett in the first round?

That's fucking nuts after spending big money on Maclin and an emerging Albert Wilson on the roster (along with DAT).

Fucking nuts.

Fucking.

Nuts.

Nuts.

Nuts.

And that seventh rounder sucks ass.

Anthony, McBride and Anderson are solid picks though. However, they do not offset the fucking insanity that dropped in the first round.

Who made that fucking pick? Henry Cyril Paget from the fucking grave?

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Sandy Vagina

04-15-2015, 07:23 PM

An outstanding mock.. truly. Only change I would make would be to sub in a CB instead of the DE... or maybe a NT while Amos plays CB at first. Either way... it's real good.

Saccopoo

04-15-2015, 08:26 PM

kccrow

04-15-2015, 09:38 PM

LOL. One says good mock the other says I'm a nut. Love this place.

I'm not sure how else to really defend the pick of Dorsett than what I wrote.

Getting open = Touchdowns.

Jackson got 9 and 6 TDs playing opposite Maclin. That would be a huge improvement over 0. Antonio Brown has had at least 5 TDs in each of the last 3 seasons.

Why does being small mean players will never score? Also, the Chiefs would have Maclin, McBride, and Avant all at 6'0" and I think Rogers has a great chance to make this team at 6'2"...

Maclin, Dorsett, McBride, Wilson, and Thomas gives you 5 weapons that can all, literally, take it yard on any play. This team needs weapons that Alex Smith can throw to. He isn't going to throw it into a tight-to-nonexistent window in the red zone very often anyhow so why worry about drafting 6'3" 220 lb guys that can't separate?

kccrow

04-19-2015, 02:16 AM

Sac might still call me nuts, but I can just about guarantee that Dorsett is going round 1. I really hope KC is the team that takes him. I think he has the potential to be pretty special. He had a really shitty QB that couldn't read a defense to play with too, so keep that in mind if you evaluate off of stats.

Someone asked me why I like Dorsett so much... this was my reply...

Lets start with traits...
1. SPEED
For starters, lets just begin with the obvious. Absolutely ridiculous speed. Dorsett has the kind of speed that only a few in the entire NFL possess. The kid runs legitimate times in the 4.2's. That not just fast, that's blurry. This means that if a corner messes up, even for a split second, Dorsett is behind him. He's gone. There is no, "well maybe he'll recover," when it comes to coverage against Dorsett. He toasts DBs. He can eat up a 10 yard cushion and gain 4-5 yards on a deep route in a matter of a couple seconds. He has track speed and he uses it on the field.

2. AGILITY
This kid can not only fly, he can cut and turn on a dime. This kid can snap routes off. Corners have to respect him deep, and that allows him to get some cushion more often than not, and with his agility he can break that route so quickly and then accelerate, its mind-blowing. He left Ronald Darby, one of the fastest and most agile CBs in this draft in the dust this season. He can do it to any CB in the NFL too. He's got that kind of quickness. He can turn a defender inside out and back again.

3. ACCELERATION
Not only can this kid reach a top speed that is blistering, he gets to that speed very quickly. I talked about his agility, his ability to hunker down and cut his route immediately, but its his accelaration out of that break that makes him incredibly diffiult to cover on slants, digs, and such. He leaves corners behind out of his break. I'm not talking a little bit, I'm talking yards. He can get Alex Smith open, and he can do it immediately.
4. CATCH IN TRAFFIC
This kid can catch the football in tough situations. He can take a hit. He can go up and make a play. He doesn't have to do it often, but he's shown that he can. He's aware, and he makes good efforts.

5. AWARENESS
Dorsett knows where he is on the sideline. He knows where he is in space. He's made quite a few good catches that show you he can do it.

Now, does he need work? Yes. He has good hands, he doesn't have amazing hands. I'm not saying he drops the ball, he just double-catches alot. Devin Smith has the same problem. Breshad Perriman has the same problem. Dorial Green-Beckham has this problem. So does Nelson Agholor, so do many of the receivers coming out of college. It isn't something that I worry about. Hitting the jugs machine will help these guys. He isn't a ball dropper, in fact, he's pretty damn good in that regard. He just needs to get to that top flight level.

He needs to work on his routes. He's so fast, he's so quick, he hasn't had to be as crisp as you'd like to see him be. There is no reason that can't be taught in the NFL. He can get better at that.

Now what can he do for your team?

1. BIG PLAY ABILITY

He's going to be able to get deep and he's going to make teams pay. He can track the ball over his shoulder and make the catch in stride deep down the field. You can't teach this. Devin Smith has it in this draft. Very few players are legitimately good at tracking deep balls, and Dorsett can.

2. SHORT TO LONG

This is a guy that is going to take those 5 yard passes and turn them into 20 yard gains or more on a regular basis. He's so fast and agile, he's going to pull away from defenders. He's got that wiggle, he's going to make players look silly in space. Ameer Abdullah has that ability this year too. This is a dynamic missing in KC's offense from a year ago. They didn't have that playmaker that could really score form anywhere on the field outside of Charles. You have to have a receiver that can put you in good situations, and I don't see a player that can flip a field in a heartbeat like Dorsett.

3. DICTATE COVERAGE
That's right. People think you can press a guy like Dorsett. No, no you can't. You can't do it often anyhow. He's so quick, defenders aren't going to be able to get their hands on him very well. If they miss that press, and they will, its 6 points period. Defenses aren't going to give Dorsett an opportunity to torch them if they can avoid it. They have to play man no press and live with him getting some underneath, or are at a severe risk of getting burned. If they play off coverage, they are going to get eaten alive with quick underneath routes. Dorsett can dictate coverage to some extent and that is a bonus.

What can't he do, or better yet, what does he need to work on? Well, blocking. This kid can't block a guy out of a play. He tries and he's OK. He needs to learn how to position himself better.. If he can just learn to do a bit more than kind of shield guys, he'll be more than good enough. He's not terrible here, he's better than Devin Smith by a mile at blocking.

What kind of player do I see Dorsett as? DeSean Jackson. He's just that fast, that quick, that type of playmaker. If you knew you'd get the production out of DeSean Jackson that he's had in this league, would you wait until round 2 to snap him up? Me neither.

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milkman

04-19-2015, 07:12 AM

His routes are sloppy, but that can be fixed.

But you can not teach speed, and he gets 20 yards downfield in an eye blink.
That's impressive.

Saccopoo

04-19-2015, 10:24 AM

Same dude:

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And you'll get him much cheaper than a first rounder.

Besides, if Goodley didn't start the 2014 with a quad injury, you'd be talking about him versus Dorsett. Goodley's 2013 season was insanity sauce statistically.

And Goodley has 30+ lbs. on Dorsett while retaining the speed.

kccrow

04-19-2015, 10:59 AM

RunKC

04-19-2015, 11:15 AM

Only speed WR I'd take over him would be Tyler Lockett because I think you can get him in round 2 and he's a better route runner.

Saccopoo

04-19-2015, 11:17 AM

There is a monumental difference between 4.45 and 4.25 speed and there's similarly a huge difference between a guy that runs a 6.70 3-cone and a 7.20 3-cone. I'm not saying I don't like Goodley, because I think he does some things well. He is just not anywhere near the athlete that Dorsett is, and it isn't even close. To compare them that way is incredibly wrong. Goodley is a far stiffer vertical athlete and there are several other reasons that make Goodley a 7th round rated receiver versus Dorsett being a 1st to very early 2nd rated receiver.

Up until March, Dorsett was being viewed as a 3/4/5 round guy. He was a one route, one trick pony at Miami that was a body catcher who was stiff on his routes. The one thing he did was when he caught the ball, he'd break it off in the ass of the defense because that's what he was set up to do.

In fact, my first mock draft for the 2015 Draft had Dorsett on it and I specifically said that he'd challenge the record 40 time if he was healthy.

Goodley has run from a 4.3 to a 4.4 consitently at thirty pounds heavier than Dorsett, who is a 5'10', 185 lb. dude compared to Goodley at 5'10", 210 lb.

Both are somewhat stiff on their routes, tend to body catch but both have sick break away speed and burst.

Goodley's 2013 season is shit most guys dream about. He put up the numbers running the entire Bear route tree.

Dorsett is getting jerked off to for one reason alone right now - his Pro Day 40 time.

IMO, that doesn't suddenly elevate him into a legit first round pick.

kccrow

04-19-2015, 12:40 PM

Saccopoo

04-19-2015, 02:08 PM

Stats stats... same reason you think Zach Vigil somehow compares to Jake Ryan or Mike Hull.

I look at body of work versus what he had to work with versus how I can see a pro team using him.

I could only imagine Dorsett's stats in Baylor's system with that QB. ****, it'd be sick.

Vigil is better than Ryan or Hull. Stats, production, etc. He's just better. He's better in space, he's better attacking the line, he's better at stacking and shedding, he's better in coverage, he's better at making impact plays. He's better.

Nobody gave two shits about Dorsett until his Pro Day. Now everyone thinks he's a legit first rounder. How's that work? Because he ran a 4.2_something. And he went to Miami.

You want the same guy? Utah State's Joe Hill. Same size, same speed...there you go. And you can have him in the later rounds.

I just don't see where Dorsett has suddenly become this legendary receiver worthy of the #18 pick all of a sudden. He's not a good route runner, he's a body catcher and he doesn't handle press man very well. Third round I thought he was viable. First round? Eh...

And with Albert Wilson, DAT and Maclin, I'm not really sure we need another short, small framed fast guy. How about a dude who can actually run routes and understands field positioning and timings?

I'd take Lockett, McBride, Greene or Agholor over Dorsett straight up and that was the general consensus prior to his Pro Day where people who didn't know how fast he was realized how fast he was...but that didn't make him a better receiver. He's the same guy he's been.

Dmello12

04-19-2015, 03:01 PM

Liking Anthony in the second more and more every day. Unless someone drops that we can't pass up he's who i'd take.

Bowser

04-19-2015, 03:08 PM

Damn, Dorsett can flat out fly.

I'll take milk's observation that his routes are shoddy, but I like that he can make the tough catch with defenders all up in his business. Speed AND hands equals serious potential.

kccrow

04-19-2015, 06:38 PM

Some asshole said that he expected Dorsett to be a first rounder back in January...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=290276

kccrow

04-19-2015, 06:41 PM

Vigil is better than Ryan or Hull. Stats, production, etc. He's just better. He's better in space, he's better attacking the line, he's better at stacking and shedding, he's better in coverage, he's better at making impact plays. He's better.

Nobody gave two shits about Dorsett until his Pro Day. Now everyone thinks he's a legit first rounder. How's that work? Because he ran a 4.2_something. And he went to Miami.

You want the same guy? Utah State's Joe Hill. Same size, same speed...there you go. And you can have him in the later rounds.

I just don't see where Dorsett has suddenly become this legendary receiver worthy of the #18 pick all of a sudden. He's not a good route runner, he's a body catcher and he doesn't handle press man very well. Third round I thought he was viable. First round? Eh...

And with Albert Wilson, DAT and Maclin, I'm not really sure we need another short, small framed fast guy. How about a dude who can actually run routes and understands field positioning and timings?

I'd take Lockett, McBride, Greene or Agholor over Dorsett straight up and that was the general consensus prior to his Pro Day where people who didn't know how fast he was realized how fast he was...but that didn't make him a better receiver. He's the same guy he's been.

I like Joe Hill as a UDFA. I've posted him a few times in those lists. I think he is best suited as a WR rather than a RB in the NFL.

Utah State is Utah State. I'll take those guys in the 6th and 7th rounds no problem, see if they can make it. But you're comparing this guy to guys who produced legitimately in the BIG10, huge difference. You want a ILB that looks really freakin good and doesn't get any recognition, Kevin Snyder of Rutgers. That kid can play and he's listed as a UDFA.

Saccopoo

04-20-2015, 07:39 AM

I like Joe Hill as a UDFA. I've posted him a few times in those lists. I think he is best suited as a WR rather than a RB in the NFL.

Utah State is Utah State. I'll take those guys in the 6th and 7th rounds no problem, see if they can make it. But you're comparing this guy to guys who produced legitimately in the BIG10, huge difference. You want a ILB that looks really freakin good and doesn't get any recognition, Kevin Snyder of Rutgers. That kid can play and he's listed as a UDFA.

http://www.iesportsnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/bobby-wagner-nfl1.jpg

kccrow

04-20-2015, 01:52 PM

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chiefscafan

04-21-2015, 07:26 AM

KC

Dorsett is a great pick I think we can trade down and get him. Also acquiring a third or a second. Eighteenth might too high.

kccrow

04-25-2015, 05:43 PM

Updated today, which is rare for my "What I Want" mocks. Decided to address OG/OC position much earlier with Morse. I slid Anderson up to reflect some movement. I slid Pierce up a bit in the 6th round as well. I decided not to address WR twice so early and went with a late round flier. Decided to add a RB/FB/HB option late that I really like alot. Would move May to priority UDFA status.

Some highlights of Tyrell Williams:

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Some highlights of Brandon Cottom:

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kccrow

04-27-2015, 03:28 PM

NFLDraftScout/CBS moved a bunch of my guys...

Phillip Dorsett ranked as the #6 WR and rated 32nd overall, stock up.
Stephone Anthony ranked as the #3 ILB and rated 72nd overall, stock down.
Henry Anderson ranked as the #10 DE and rated 89th overall, stock up.
Mitch Morse ranked as the #5 OG and rated 85th overall, stock up.
Adrian Amos ranked as the #2 FS behind Damarious Randall and rated 77th overall, stock up.
Laurence Gibson ranked as the #17 OT and rated 200th overall, stock down.
Darryl Roberts ranked as the #24 CB and rated 183rd overall, stock up.
Casey Pierce ranked as the #13 TE and rated 231 overall, stock down.
Tyrell Williams ranked as the #43 WR and rated 389 overall, stock up.
Brandon Cottom ranked as the #11 FB and rated 433 overall, stock up.

I'm not too concerned with where I have players slotted except for Morse, Anderson, and Amos. Might only get 1 of the 3. I'd take my chances the way I have it slotted currently and go with Ibraheim Campbell in round 4 if he's there.