Grading the 2015 Chiefs Draft

[Saccopoo]

F-

Let's see...

1. Marcus Peters, CB; Washington

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- Sure, everyone got jacked the **** up because we took a dude at a position of need that purportedly was the best at his position in the draft. And he was/is. When Peters is on, he's completely ****ing shut down. He plays mean and crazy. Sounds great, right? Well, the problem is, he's mean and crazy whether he plays or not. He's a borderline lunatic. Probably not even borderline. How many guys that are the best players on their team get kicked off their teams because they are ****ing nuts? Not many. They drafted a lit powder keg.

2. Mitch Morse, OL; Missouri

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O.M.F.G.

3. Chris Conley, WR; Georgia

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Dorsey's workout warrior circa 2015. Production was run of the mill at Georgia, but when he ran a 4.35 and jumped 45" at the Combine (despite dropping a shit ton of balls during the field drills) Dorsey grabbed the Jerkins lotion and went to town.

3. Steve Nelson, CB; Oregon State

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- Dorsey's draft is as predictable as the plot line in a porno. At least one workout warrior and at least one guy who was "Oooh! He's playing good in a college All-Star game! Let's draft him!" That's Nelson. Charles Davis thinks he invented/coined the term "Mighty Mouse" for Nelson. What a jerk off.

Doesn't have fluid hips to turn and chase if beaten off the line of scrimmage. Scouts believe tape shows below-average football intelligence and a lack of speed. Labored backpedal. Panics in man coverage and will get grabby (second-most penalized senior cornerback). Doesn't have length or fluidity to play in trail coverage.

Sounds great.

4. Ramik Wilson, LB; Georgia

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5. D.J. Alexander, OLB; Oregon State

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- Yeah, the guy that the NFL didn't even have rated prior to the draft. That's who we pick in the fifth round. Super.

5. James O'Shaughnessy, TE; Illinois State

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- Completes the Dorsey predictable draftee trifecta - the well measured small school dude. Tardif, Catapano. O'Shinglesley will be a personal Dorsey favorite because of his terrific measurables and gamer mentality. He'll take up a roster spot for years without ever seeing a single snap.

6. Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DT; Southern Mississippi

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It really doesn't even matter now. Another small school dude who really doesn't fit the defense. Why even have picks if this is what you are going to do with them? Not that guys like Ben Koyak, Tre McBride, Zach Vigil, Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, etc. are still available. **** guys like that. I hate dudes who could contribute to this team immediately.

7. Da'Ron Brown, WR; Northern Illinois

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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

F-

As in "negative fatties".

Beautiful, ( for the most part )fatty-free draft. WIN.

And no Utes. BONUS CUP.

[bsp4444]

F-

F---ing awesome...I agree.

Seriously, though, I feel they reached a little bit for need, but looks like they got some quality players that can step in soon. Love the Conley pick, and you ahve to consider Grubbs a part of this draft class. O-line and receiving corps upgrades, sign Justin Houstona nd this will have been a monster off-season.

[Chiefnj2]

I still don't like Morse in the 2nd. Especially if the plan is to have him compete at center.

[RunKC]

Clearly we should have drafted the 4 players that went undrafted in your mock, 2 of which were our 1st and 3rd rd picks. LMAO

[Buehler445]

I still don't like Morse in the 2nd. Especially if the plan is to have him compete at center.

I've softened on my WHAT THE FUCK stance on Morse. I read the the seahags wanted him in the second and he can play every position on the line. He better not suck, but there is some value there. I figured he'd be there in the 4th when I was all wound up, but if that's their guy and the seahags wanted him, I'm more OK with it than before.

[Bowser]

F-

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[OldSchool]

Clearly we should have drafted the 4 players that went undrafted in your mock, 2 of which were our 1st and 3rd rd picks. LMAO

LMAO

[OldSchool]

I'd give Dorsey a B+ on this one even if he didn't exactly go with the guys that I wanted at certain spots.

[Bewbies]

Clearly we should have drafted the 4 players that went undrafted in your mock, 2 of which were our 1st and 3rd rd picks. LMAO

Dayum. LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

Clearly we should have drafted the 4 players that went undrafted in your mock, 2 of which were our 1st and 3rd rd picks. LMAO

Your best post, EVAR! :D

:clap:

[RealSNR]

Loved Marcus Peters. The Chiefs finally drafted a 1st round pick that I got REALLY excited about. That hasn't happened since Eric Berry.

Liked Chris Conley, DJ Alexander (and he was more of an "Ehh... why the fuck not... sounds good" kind of pick)

Indifferent towards Nelson, fucking Mick TE, Brown. I would have preferred other players there, but I can't really get too riled up. Each of these players has some good things about them that I think can really help us out.

Don't like the Morse pick. Initially I hated it, now I just don't like him because it's more of the same "We need a RG and a C? Let's draft a LT" bullshit that we're always fucking around with.

Fucking hate the Ramik Wilson pick. This guy will suck balls. Mark my words. Quote this post. Bookmark it. Do whatever you want. I've never been more sure of anything in my life. Why not just fucking trade for Mychal Kendricks, dumbasses? Ugh. Fuck this pick and everything about it.

Basically, I was ecstatic over Marcus Peters. Then the rest of the draft was a boring fucking turd each time we were up to pick.

C-.

[The Franchise]

Rotoworld said that Kelly would be lucky to get a 4th in 2016 for Kendricks. Do it Dorsey.

[O.city]

Someone said they may cut him in training camp anyway

[milkman]

Someone said they may cut him in training camp anyway

Rather give up a 4th round pick to ensure that we get him than let him hit the open market.

[O.city]

I would as well

[DaneMcCloud]

Rather give up a 4th round pick to ensure that we get him than let him hit the open market.

Reid drafted him and he'd be an amazing fit in this defense.

If he hits the market, I'd be shocked if the Chiefs weren't high on list, if not number one.

[milkman]

Reid drafted him and he'd be an amazing fit in this defense.

If he hits the market, I'd be shocked if the Chiefs weren't high on list, if not number one.

All good and well, but the bottom line is that money talks.

[DaneMcCloud]

All good and well, but the bottom line is that money talks.


Of course. He seems like an automatic fit, especially with DJ's expiring contract this year. All we can hope is that he becomes a Chiefs once his contract ends or he's cut.

[Gadzooks]

Rather give up a 4th round pick to ensure that we get him than let him hit the open market.

I agree with this and hope it doesn't happen.

If the Chiefs landed Kendricks for a 4th, they would be that much closer to having the type of dominating defense that has won 8 SBs the past 15 years:
'01 - Ravens
'03 - Bucs
'06 - Steelers
'08 - Giants
'09 - Steelers
'12 - Giants
'13 - Ravens
'14 - Seahawks

The teams not included in this list are NE, GB, Ind & NO, who either won primarily based on offense or where the 2 sides were equally important.

Having a D with Poe, Houston*, Hali, Kendricks DJ*, & Smith would be very difficult for any offense to handle.

[jonzie04]

http://kan.scout.com/story/1544080-not-done-yet

according to this guy, we've been in contact after the draft. says we offered a 5th that could turn into a 4th, and they came back with a 4th that could turn into a 3rd. no how credible the reporter is.


http://www.hngn.com/articles/89613/20150504/nfl-rumors-kansas-city-chiefs-mychal-kendricks-trade-with-eagles-eyed-reid-targeting-linebacker-addition.htm

heres another reporter saying the two sides have talked and may revisit again.

[Couch-Potato]

Outside of Peters, there wasn't much to get excited about. Conley's still a bit of a project.

[O.city]

Do it

[milkman]

http://kan.scout.com/story/1544080-not-done-yet

according to this guy, we've been in contact after the draft. says we offered a 5th that could turn into a 4th, and they came back with a 4th that could turn into a 3rd. no how credible the reporter is.


http://www.hngn.com/articles/89613/20150504/nfl-rumors-kansas-city-chiefs-mychal-kendricks-trade-with-eagles-eyed-reid-targeting-linebacker-addition.htm

heres another reporter saying the two sides have talked and may revisit again.

So, the two sources for your info are Warpaint and some guy who thinks that Andy Reid is working a trade?

[O.city]

Geoff Mosher did mention it, he's pretty connected in philly

[jonzie04]

So, the two sources for your info are Warpaint and some guy who thinks that Andy Reid is working a trade?

i tried to communicate that i didnt know how credible the reporters were (though i may have forgotten a word or two). i dont follow philly, and i dont know how credible nick is. just sharing what i found. youre more than welcome to take what they have written with a grain of salt.

[Sandy Vagina]

I'd give Dorsey a B+ on this one even if he didn't exactly go with the guys that I wanted at certain spots.


I'd go B, but pretty much this. I really like what I saw and read of the TE.. wasn't even on my radar.

1
18
Marcus Peters | CB, Washington - B

2
49
Mitch Morse | OG, Missouri - B-

3
76
Chris Conley | WR, Georgia - A

3
98
Steven Nelson | CB, Oregon State - B

4
118
Ramik Wilson | ILB, Georgia - B

5
172
D.J. Alexander | ILB, Oregon State - C+

5
173
James O'Shaughnessy | TE, Illinois State - B

6
217
Rakeem Nunez-Roches | DT, Southern Mississippi - C

7
233
Da'Ron Brown | WR, Northern Illinois - B

[Bowser]

LMAO

All that shit took effort. Well done.

[Saccopoo]

Now with individual player/draftee breakdowns!

[O.city]

You put tok much emphasis on college production

[Couch-Potato]

Sac, I'm curious how you would have preferred our draft to have gone? Given the way things played out, which selections would you have made?

Not that it was likely an option, but when I saw Parker falling I was hoping we would trade up for him.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Sac, I'm curious how you would have preferred our draft to have gone? Given the way things played out, which selections would you have made?

Not that it was likely an option, but when I saw Parker falling I was hoping we would trade up for him.

I got this:

1) Fatty

2) Retarded fucking fatty

3) Fat-headed fatty

4) Obscure fatty

5) Utah fill-in-the-blank

6) Joseph Smith the 18th

7) Fat kicker.


Thanks.

[Saccopoo]

Sac, I'm curious how you would have preferred our draft to have gone? Given the way things played out, which selections would you have made?

Not that it was likely an option, but when I saw Parker falling I was hoping we would trade up for him.

Good question Potato.

If the board fell like it fell and I was GM instead of Dorseybot being controlled by the Decision Lens Matrix, this is what I would have done:

1. Bud Dupree, DE/OLB; Kentucky
- Hard worker, team leader and absolute physical freak of nature. Houston and his contractual demands are still a massive question mark and Hali is getting older. Other than Ford, there isn't anybody else on the roster who can effectively rush the passer. Dupree's college game was very similar to Houston's.

2. Jake Fisher, OL; Oregon
- Nasty, athletic and has the potential to play four positions on the line.

3. P.J. Williams, CB; Florida State
- Favorite CB in the draft. Big, strong and plays unafraid. Superb ball skills.

3. Rashard Green, WR; Florida State
- FSU's leading receiver for four straight years. Great routes, great hands, knows how to play the position and, like Williams, played his best in big games.

4. Mark Glowinski, OL; West Virginia
- Very good feet with legit, functional power.

5. Kenny Bell, WR; Nebraska
- Speed, size and hands. Winning combination.

5. Zach Vigil, LB; Utah State
- Better measurables and production and instincts and fundamentals then the guy we actually ended up with.

5. Tre McBride, WR; Williams & Mary
- Complete overhaul on the position with guys who have speed and understand how to play.

6. Ben Koyak, TE; Notre Dame
- Severely underused this past season, but a very good player. Exellent blocker.

7. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB; Oregon
- Best nickle CB in the draft. Insane that he dropped this far due to a ACL suffered late in the '14 season (unless the knee is completely worthless). Ridiculously good ball skills and instincts. (Browns had a terrific draft.)

[Saccopoo]

UDFA signings would have been:

Terrance Plummer, LB; UCF
Jeff Luc, LB; Cincinnati
Junior Salt, OL; Utah
Wes Saxton, TE; South Alabama
Brandon Bridge, QB; South Alabama
Cody Prewitt, S; Ole Miss (Are you fucking kidding me?!! How did he not get drafted?)
A.J. Tarpley, LB; Stanford
Zach Hodges, OLB; Harvard
Derrick Lott, DT; Tennessee-Chattanooga
John Crockett, RB; North Dakota State
Nick Marshall, QB/CB; Auburn

[O.city]

Bitches about 3rd round picks lack of production, advocates taking a first rounder with a lack of production.

Never change

[Bewbies]

Bitches about 3rd round picks lack of production, advocates taking a first rounder with a lack of production.

Never change

LMAO

[Saccopoo]

Bitches about 3rd round picks lack of production, advocates taking a first rounder with a lack of production.

Never change

What happened? I insult your golf buddy?

[Sandy Vagina]

What happened? I insult your golf buddy?

I don't have a real problem with you, but damn dude.. might be time to stop bitchin and crying about it. The Chiefs didn't do what most of us wanted. Oh well. Nothing to really do but move on and hope they did more intense homework than we did, right?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I don't have a real problem with you, but damn dude.. might be time to stop bitchin and crying about it. The Chiefs didn't do what most of us wanted. Oh well. Nothing to really do but move on and hope they did more intense homework than we did, right?

Minus Morse, the Chiefs did EXACTLY as I wanted. It wasn't about the players themselves, but about the POSITIONS.

[Sandy Vagina]

Minus Morse, the Chiefs did EXACTLY as I wanted. It wasn't about the players themselves, but about the POSITIONS.

Yep. They definitely addressed the weaker positions of the team. Not my preferred players in most rds, but I doubt it's often that fans get exactly who they want.

[Saccopoo]

I don't have a real problem with you, but damn dude.. might be time to stop bitchin and crying about it. The Chiefs didn't do what most of us wanted. Oh well. Nothing to really do but move on and hope they did more intense homework than we did, right?

I'm not bitching.

I just put out my draft grades/evaluation. I think that's legitimate after only a week gone by, don't you think?

I fully understand that "it is what it is" and there is no changing it. Potato asked me what I would have done. I provided that. That's not bitching.

Bunch of Sensitive Sallys' around here.

[Saccopoo]

Minus Morse, the Chiefs did EXACTLY as I wanted. It wasn't about the players themselves, but about the POSITIONS.

So you were perfectly fine with the lineup and depth that we had on the offensive line?

[Sandy Vagina]

I'm not bitching.

I just put out my draft grades/evaluation. I think that's legitimate after only a week gone by, don't you think?

I fully understand that "it is what it is" and there is no changing it. Potato asked me what I would have done. I provided that. That's not bitching.

Bunch of Sensitive Sallys' around here.

Fair enough, at least regarding the level of redundancy, far as I have read.

Your OP and F- grade was a bit ludicrous though. It isn't about a sensitivity on our part, so much that the OP speaks to more of an arrogant rant in not getting what you want. Not that this is completely unexpected on a forum. Just figured you would have been more prepared and tolerant to what is generally inevitable in every draft year. :shrug:

[kcchiefsus]

Sacco-shit is a whiny cunt. Might as well call a spade a spade.

[Saccopoo]

Fair enough, at least regarding the level of redundancy, far as I have read.

Your OP and F- grade was a bit ludicrous though. It isn't about a sensitivity on our part, so much that the OP speaks to more of an arrogant rant in not getting what you want. Not that this is completely unexpected on a forum. Just figured you would have been more prepared and tolerant to what is generally inevitable in every draft year. :shrug:

It was a shitty draft.

Huge question mark at 1.

Enormous reach at 2.

Conley was okay at 3 but there were guys available who had nearly the same measurables with substantially more production. Nobody knew who Conley was until his numbers at the Combine. Guy was a pedestrian receiver in college, despite his prodigious physical gifts. And we lost a pick moving up for him, which doesn't help the draft grade.

Nelson is a returner and nickle CB. How many more guys like that do we need on the roster?

Wilson is an inside/outside guy that doesn't make any impact plays and all of his tackles are past the line of scrimmage that he's joining in on. He was the one ILB prospect that I hoped we didn't draft.

Alexander, like a lot of Dorsey picks to date, is a walking wounded. He's had multiple injuries over his college career and, despite Dorsey's seemingly reliance on measurables, doesn't measure very well.

Plus three small school dudes who don't have any elite traits.

It was a shitty draft.

Free agency was ridiculously bad considering what holes the roster had and who we picked up. A bunch of try hards from Outer South Eastern Mongolian Community College.

[Saccopoo]

Sacco-shit is a whiny ****. Might as well call a spade a spade.

I'm not "whining" whatsoever.

Being objective is not whining.

You want to blow Dorsey for this draft, go right ahead.

I think it wasn't that great.

Not enough to start getting defensive and calling names to people who were critical of it anyway.

[RunKC]

There was not 1 WR better than Conley after he was picked. Montgomery and Coates had several drops in college and fell bc of it.

Conley has the athleticism, smarts and production in a run first offense to be a nice #2 WR.

For Christ sakes. The guy averaged 17 or more yards per catch in 3 of his 4 years, including his last year when he had 657 yards and 8 TD's on only 36 catches.
If he was on a pass first team he would have had at least 12 TD's, 1,000+ yards and a first round grade.

[Sandy Vagina]

It was a shitty draft.

Huge question mark at 1.

Enormous reach at 2.

Conley was okay at 3 but there were guys available who had nearly the same measurables with substantially more production. Nobody knew who Conley was until his numbers at the Combine. Guy was a pedestrian receiver in college, despite his prodigious physical gifts. And we lost a pick moving up for him, which doesn't help the draft grade.

Nelson is a returner and nickle CB. How many more guys like that do we need on the roster?

Wilson is an inside/outside guy that doesn't make any impact plays and all of his tackles are past the line of scrimmage that he's joining in on. He was the one ILB prospect that I hoped we didn't draft.

Alexander, like a lot of Dorsey picks to date, is a walking wounded. He's had multiple injuries over his college career and, despite Dorsey's seemingly reliance on measurables, doesn't measure very well.

Plus three small school dudes who don't have any elite traits.

It was a shitty draft.

Free agency was ridiculously bad considering what holes the roster had and who we picked up. A bunch of try hards from Outer South Eastern Mongolian Community College.

See, everything about this post goes back to the arrogance I was speaking of. This is just a classic example of how YOU are a better scout than the pros. No, they are not always right. You may end up more right. But this goes back to you having your own firm conclusions of who is good and who is not... and it contrasts with the KC decision-makers.

At least consider the possibility that they have far more resources and knowledge of these prospects than you do. I get it... believe me. I would do the same thing as you in older times. I get so fixated for months about these prospects that I convince myself of who we should have selected.

Now, it's probably time to just concede that just maybe... we.. the arm-chair, draft enthusiasts love the process... but the actual results wreck our little fantasy land of thinking we know much.

[The Franchise]

What is this huge question mark bullshit with Peters? It's not like the guy has come out stating that there wasn't a problem and he doesn't know why he was kicked off the team. He owned up to it and has moved past it. FFS.....

[O.city]

Yeah, while we give sacks alot of grief for this, it's fine to have opinions and such on this. He didn't like who they picked, I don't see a problem with that.

Of course he doesn't have the info the league does, but it's a message board

[The Franchise]

Here's my preferred 7th round draft.....

1st - Marcus Peters, CB, Washington
2nd - Ali Marpet, OC/OC, Hobart
3rd - Chris Conley, WR, Georgia
3rd - Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State
4th - DeAndre Smelter, WR, Georgia Tech
5th - D.J. Alexander, ILB, Oregon State
5th - Michael Bennett, DT/DE, Ohio State
6th - Ben Koyack, TE, Notre Dame
7th - Zach Vigil, ILB, Utah State

[RunKC]

As much as I hated the Morse pick, I'd rather have him than Marpet. Morse is a strong m'fer who apparently played extremely well against SEC opponents.

I like Morse more if we had to take OL.

[RunKC]

FWIW

1. Marcus peters CB Washington
2. Clive Walford TE Miami
3. Chris Conley WR Georgia
3. Steven Nelson CB Oregon state
4. Max Garcia C Florida-this is what we should have done goddamnit
5. Darren Waller WR Georgia Tech
5. michael Bennett DL Ohio state
6. DJ Alexander LB Oregon state-I think he still would have been there
7. Zach Vigil LB Utah state

[Coochie liquor]

Clearly we should have drafted the 4 players that went undrafted in your mock, 2 of which were our 1st and 3rd rd picks. LMAO

Shut down the thread, it has been debunked!!

[Chiefnj2]

Marcus Peters - A. Top 10 player taken at 18. Good value. Only real risk is that he beats Alex Smith to a pulp in a moment of rage on the sideline when Smith checks down on 3rd and 9.

Mitch Morse - D. Apparently KC tried to trade up. The pick felt like a reach. I thought, "well, I guess I understand the pick if they kick him inside to RG", then they announced he would compete at center. Really? Only a handful of games a few years back at the position and his snapping was atrocious. Doesn't appear to be the upgrade the team desperately needed on OL. I don't like the idea of rookies competing at multiple positions on the OL, especially with C involved. If they move him to RG or RT, I'd grade it as a B. As a center his college highlights looked really bad.

Chris Conley B-. Seems a little like a panic move after the run on receivers in round 2. This is the type of pick Chief fans made fun of Al Davis for years ago. Workout warrior with limited impact in actual games. Seems like a boom or bust type player. A move KC had to make since they've been so damn picky with WR's the last two years. Hopefully he plays toward his ceiling and KC will have a big fast #2 WR. Hasn't happened since Kennison.

Steve Nelson - B. My first impression was "another CB? Did I nap and miss a few picks where we grabbed an ILB? The kid from TCU is still on the board right?" Then, I saw clips of him playing like the old Mighty Mouse. I understand the pick. KC had trouble with QB's like Manning who get rid of the ball in 3 seconds or less. Can't get to the QB that quickly. The only way around it is to mug and hit the receivers on the line. It looks like Nelson will be able to do that to buy some time for the pass rush.

Rest of the picks - I could complain that they should have taken some different receivers or been mavericks and grabbed Collins at some point. I mean, Dorsey doesn't exactly put character high on the shelf. But, at the end of the day you are lucky to get any impact from the day three guys, so who really cares. It's a dart toss.

[Couch-Potato]

I went back and looked at the draft round for round. Honestly, after taking a look at who fell where, I felt a lot better about who we chose given the spots we were in.

My only fantasy GM move that I would've liked to see us play out would have been grabbing an OC in FA, picking an ILB or maybe Max Williams in the 2nd, and using a late pick on the rights to La'el Collins.

Williams, arguably would have added more to our passing game than any one of the remaining WRs. Strong is a downfield 50-50 guy and that's not A Smith's game, Lockett is apparently too much like DAT for Dorsey.

La'el is a rd 1 offensive lineman, and we could have had him for a 7th rounder?

[Bewbies]

I love the Conley pick, he's going to have a better pro career than he did at UGA. He's legit.

[KC native]

LMAO @ Sacco still drafting Vigil with a 5th in his revised draft despite the guy not being drafted.

BUT DAMMIT I KNOW HE'S WORTH IT! I WATCHED ALL HIS YOUTUBE HIGHLIGHTS!/sacco