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Tribal Warfare
06-24-2015, 01:13 PM
Career Leaders In Yards Per Carry (Era-Adjusted) (http://www.footballperspective.com/career-leaders-in-yards-per-carry-era-adjusted/)
by Chase Stuart

In 2008, Jamaal Charles had 67 carries and averaged 5.33 yards per carry. Those 67 carries represent 5% of Charles’ career attempts to date (excluding playoffs). That season, the NFL league average was 4.20 yards per carry, which means Charles was 1.12 (after rounding) YPC above average in 2008, or 1.12 YPC above average on 5% of his career carries.

In ’09, Charles had 190 carries, representing 15% of his career YPC. He averaged 5.89 YPC, and the league average was 4.24, which means Charles was 1.65 YPC above average for 15% of his career carries.

In 2010, those numbers were 230, 18%, 6.38, and 4.21, so Charles was 2.17 YPC above league average on 18% of his career carries.

I performed that analysis for every season of Charles’ career — and every other player in NFL history — to determine each player’s career YPC average relative to league average. The table below shows the 200 running backs (by default, only the top 10 are shown) in pro football history with the most carries. The table is sorted by YPC over league average. Here’s how to read it. Jamaal Charles ranks 1st in YPC over league average. His first year was 2008 and his last year (so far) was 2014. For his career, Charles has 1,249 career rush attempts, which ranks 118th in pro football history. He has 6,856 yards, giving him a 5.49 career YPC average. His “expected” career yards per carry average — based on the league average YPC in each season of his career, weighted by his number of carries — is 4.21. Therefore, Charles has averaged 1.28 YPC above league average for his career, the highest rate in football history.

I’m not a big fan of yards per rush as the primary measure by which we measure running backs, but it’s still interesting to look at the data (for less-popular measures of running back performance that I do find interesting, click here or here). Barry Sanders really stands out in just about every set of analysis one ever does on running backs, but he also is a huge beneficiary of the era adjustment: while he averaged just 0.03 YPC more than Adrian Peterson, the ’90s was a very different era for running backs. After making that adjustment, Sanders has a +0.30 edge on Peterson in YPC over average.

If you sort by the Rush column or the Rk Rsh column, you get a list of the career leaders in attempts. This is another area where Sanders really stands out: Fred Taylor ranks 23rd in career rushes and 23rd in YPC over league average: he’s the only player besides Sanders in the top 25 in both metrics. Several players — Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, Edgerrin James, John Riggins, Steven Jackson — rank in the top 20 in rush attempts, are in the Hall of Fame or are borderline HOFers, and yet have a career YPC average below league average (which is one of the reasons why YPC is not one of my favorite statistics).

Here’s another way to look at this data: I plotted each of the 200 players in the graph below. The X-axis displays career carries, from about 800 to 4500; the Y-Axis shows YPC relative to league average, from -0.8 to about 1.5

http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ypc-rushes.png

Pretty interesting: what do you guys think?

Oh, and Billy Ray Barnes? He’s another interesting story. He averaged 3.47 YPC but led the Eagles in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns from ’57 to ’61. But Philadelphia struggled to run the ball during those years, finishing with a 3.54 YPC average, the worst in the NFL. Of course, the Eagles also won the championship in 1960, so these were the glory years for Philadelphia.

ThaVirus
06-24-2015, 01:21 PM
Water is wet. JC is amazing. Nothing new here..

I'd almost like to give the guy 350 carries just to see what he'd do with them.. But nahhhhhhhhhh.

SeeingRed
06-24-2015, 01:22 PM
Man thats a lot of work! Interesting data.....although I won't pretend to be smart enough to say I understand it perfectly. Basically it says Jamaal Charles is pretty fucking good! We knew that....but its interesting. Glad he is focused on longevity and staying healthy, if he stays healthy he is a sure to be a Hall Of Famer

SeeingRed
06-24-2015, 01:24 PM
Water is wet. JC is amazing. Nothing new here..

I'd almost like to give the guy 350 carries just to see what he'd do with them.. But nahhhhhhhhhh.

agreed!

He's awesome, we know it, but we are a much better team if that guy is still somewhat fresh come playoff time.

aturnis
06-24-2015, 02:46 PM
If Alex can make the rest of the offense work, Charles could benefit greatly. I don't think he gets the respect he deserves.

Beef Supreme
06-24-2015, 03:08 PM
He deserves all the Escalades.

MagicHef
06-24-2015, 03:12 PM
In the 1998 playoffs, TD averaged 2.01 YPC more than league average.

Rausch
06-24-2015, 03:16 PM
agreed!

He's awesome, we know it, but we are a much better team if that guy is still somewhat fresh come playoff time.

We need to make it first. If Charles isn't getting 15+ touches a game we won't...

milkman
06-24-2015, 03:28 PM
I think that YPC is the best means by which to measure a RB's true impact.

The guys he notes that are in the HoF with low YPC for their careers are, for the most part, guys that played for a long time and missed very little time to injury.

loochy
06-24-2015, 03:30 PM
Jamaal Charles needs more carries.

ThaVirus
06-24-2015, 03:52 PM
In the 1998 playoffs, TD averaged 2.01 YPC more than league average.

At his current pace, how many games will it take Justin Houston to pass Von Miller in sacks per game?

1? maybe 2?

MagicHef
06-24-2015, 04:06 PM
At his current pace, how many games will it take Justin Houston to pass Von Miller in sacks per game?

1? maybe 2?

By "current pace", I assume you mean his 2014 rate. Over his career, Houston has 0.822 sacks per game. In 2014 he averaged 1.375 sacks per game.

Von has averaged 0.875 sacks per game, both over his entire career as well as during 2014. As you can tell by my signature, he is extremely consistent.

If they both continue at their 2014 paces, Houston will pass Von in week 7, when he records his 58th sack (totaling 9.5 for the season).

I don't think he'll continue at his current pace though, the only guy in NFL history that has had anywhere close to that many sacks in 2 separate seasons is JJ Watt, and even he had a down year in between the two.

ThaVirus
06-24-2015, 04:17 PM
5.5, 10, 11 (in 11 games), and 22.

What comes next? :)

ThaVirus
06-24-2015, 04:18 PM
By "current pace", I assume you mean his 2014 rate. Over his career, Houston has 0.822 sacks per game. In 2014 he averaged 1.375 sacks per game.

Von has averaged 0.875 sacks per game, both over his entire career as well as during 2014. As you can tell by my signature, he is extremely consistent.

If they both continue at their 2014 paces, Houston will pass Von in week 7, when he records his 58th sack (totaling 9.5 for the season).

I don't think he'll continue at his current pace though, the only guy in NFL history that has had anywhere close to that many sacks in 2 separate seasons is JJ Watt, and even he had a down year in between the two.

2011 re-draft. Do you think most teams take Houston or Miller?

Rausch
06-24-2015, 04:20 PM
By "current pace", I assume you mean his 2014 rate. Over his career, Houston has 0.822 sacks per game. In 2014 he averaged 1.375 sacks per game.

Von has averaged 0.875 sacks per game, both over his entire career as well as during 2014. As you can tell by my signature, he is extremely consistent.

If they both continue at their 2014 paces, Houston will pass Von in week 7, when he records his 58th sack (totaling 9.5 for the season).

I don't think he'll continue at his current pace though, the only guy in NFL history that has had anywhere close to that many sacks in 2 separate seasons is JJ Watt, and even he had a down year in between the two.

As long as he's healthy I'd expect Houston to post 10+ sack seasons for years...

Tombstone RJ
06-24-2015, 04:21 PM
At his current pace, how many games will it take Justin Houston to pass Von Miller in sacks per game?

1? maybe 2?

It's gonna be fun to watch this next season as to which player has more sacks.

Rain Man
06-24-2015, 04:25 PM
2011 re-draft. Do you think most teams take Houston or Miller?

In this scenario, do we know yet that Von Miller was on the witness list for a mass murder?

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/broncos/von-miller-named-as-a-possible-witness-in-feros-bar-murder-case-against-dexter-lewis

SeeingRed
06-24-2015, 04:42 PM
It's gonna be fun to watch this next season as to which player has more sacks.

My money is on Houston

Chiefaholic
06-24-2015, 04:44 PM
Water is wet. JC is amazing. Nothing new here..

I'd almost like to give the guy 350 carries just to see what he'd do with them.. But nahhhhhhhhhh.

What kind of stats would he have in Dallas?

ThaVirus
06-24-2015, 04:44 PM
My money is on Catapano

FYP

ThaVirus
06-24-2015, 04:44 PM
LMAO Just messing with you. I couldn't resist.

Tombstone RJ
06-24-2015, 04:47 PM
My money is on Houston

of course it is...

Rausch
06-24-2015, 04:47 PM
My money is on Houston

With another 12+ sack season Houston will likely become the highest paid OLB in the league.

You might be able to argue there are better pure pass rushers. You can definitely argue there are better coverage LB's. But no one is as good at rushing the passer while being as good as he is in run support and pass coverage.

I think he shows up, manages 15+, drops the mic and walks out of KC...

Rausch
06-24-2015, 04:47 PM
of course it is...

You have an unfair advantage.

Houston doesn't get to face the KC line twice this year...

Tombstone RJ
06-24-2015, 04:49 PM
With another 12+ sack season Houston will likely become the highest paid OLB in the league.

You might be able to argue there are better pure pass rushers. You can definitely argue there are better coverage LB's. But no one is as good at rushing the passer while being as good as he is in run support and pass coverage.

I think he shows up, manages 15+, drops the mic and walks out of KC...

Von Miller is better. Had he not missed half a season for smoking weed and then lying about it, he'd have more sacks. Of course, this is the offseason, and KC always wins the offseason.

Tombstone RJ
06-24-2015, 04:50 PM
You have an unfair advantage.

Houston doesn't get to face the KC line twice this year...

You think the Broncos line is good, especially with that statue Manning? ROFL

BossChief
06-24-2015, 04:53 PM
Von Miller is better. Had he not missed half a season for smoking weed and then lying about it, he'd have more sacks. Of course, this is the offseason, and KC always wins the offseason.

Well, if Romeo Crennel didn't drop Houston into coverage for 2 years and he didn't fuck up his elbow causing him to miss half a year, Houston would have a lot more sacks.

Tombstone RJ
06-24-2015, 04:54 PM
Well, if Romeo Crennel didn't drop Houston into coverage for 2 years and he didn't **** up his elbow causing him to miss half a year, Houston would have a lot more sacks.

ok?

Hammock Parties
06-24-2015, 04:56 PM
How many Super Bowls among the top 10?

Hint: it's less than one.

Rausch
06-24-2015, 04:58 PM
You think the Broncos line is good, especially with that statue Manning? ROFL

It didn't matter the last two years. Hell, there were two plays last year Houston was unblocked and Manning dished the ball off before he could get there.

And it was complete because SOMEONE was always open.

I'd expect the same to happen our 1st game this year. With a young set of CB's Manning will likely be able to do what he did last year.

That second game though, with S. Smith back and Peters having a few games under his belt...:hmmm:

Rausch
06-24-2015, 05:00 PM
Von Miller is better. Had he not missed half a season for smoking weed and then lying about it, he'd have more sacks. Of course, this is the offseason, and KC always wins the offseason.

Don't worry, I can see Houston beasting out this year and signing with Denver in the offseason...




...because Chiefs.

Tombstone RJ
06-24-2015, 05:05 PM
Don't worry, I can see Houston beasting out this year and signing with Denver in the offseason...




...because Chiefs.

Broncos won't have the money to sign either Houston OR Miller. Both are going to get stupid big contracts.

ThaVirus
06-24-2015, 05:07 PM
They've both had pretty impressive careers. They've played a similar amount of games and have a similar amount of sacks. Miller averages more sacks per game but Houston averages more sacks per start. They've both got a throw way year (Houston's rookie year in which he didn't start the full season and Miller's trash 2013 campaign).

Miller's been consistently good-great aside from said throw away year while Houston's career has taken a pretty obvious upward track. 10 sacks in a 2-14 season in which his team didn't hold a single lead until week 8 and 11 sacks in 11 games before injury in 2013 is almost as impressive as coming within a sack of the record.

Rausch
06-24-2015, 05:08 PM
[/b]Broncos won't have the money[/b] to sign either Houston OR Miller. Both are going to get stupid big contracts.

That hasn't stopped them any other time...

Tombstone RJ
06-24-2015, 05:11 PM
That hasn't stopped them any other time...

I'll be happy if the Broncos can resign Miller but I'm not counting on it. It will also be cool if KC can resign Houston. It would be fun to watch both players start and finish with the teams that drafted them.

Rausch
06-24-2015, 05:17 PM
I'll be happy if the Broncos can resign Miller but I'm not counting on it. It will also be cool if KC can resign Houston. It would be fun to watch both players start and finish with the teams that drafted them.

Or Oakland could swoop in and sign one of them to pair with Mack.

Which would be sick...:mad:

notorious
06-24-2015, 06:53 PM
All the Chiefs need to do is win a Superbowl and he walks into the HOF.

Rausch
06-24-2015, 07:03 PM
All the Chiefs need to do is win a Superbowl and he walks into the HOF.

LMAO

notorious
06-24-2015, 07:08 PM
LMAO

I know.


He's fucked.

Willie Lanier
06-24-2015, 08:29 PM
Von Miller is better. Had he not missed half a season for smoking weed and then lying about it, he'd have more sacks. Of course, this is the offseason, and KC always wins the offseason.

You're smoking the same weed von is if you believe this

MagicHef
06-25-2015, 01:24 AM
Von Miller is better. Had he not missed half a season for smoking weed and then lying about it, he'd have more sacks. Of course, this is the offseason, and KC always wins the offseason.

?

Von Miller does have more sacks than Justin Houston.

Rausch
06-25-2015, 07:31 AM
Houston said on the NFLN top 100 players that he studies Von's tape and has picked up a few things from him. Also says they have a friendly rivalry over who gets the most sacks each year...