Sports Illustrated quarterback rankings

[Jiu Jitsu Jon]

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/07/03/nfl-quarterback-rankings/

Discuss.

[Hammock Parties]

18. Alex Smith, Chiefs

Underrated mobility adds a dimension to a QB who operates under defined reads and who attempts safe throws almost exclusively.

:evil::thumb:

[Mav]

Andrew Luck 3rd overall. What a fucking stud.

[MMXcalibur]

3. Andrew Luck, Colts

Has a chance to one day reach the All-Time Mt. Rushmore, right up there with Brady, Montana and whoever else you have. Right now, he’s already the best play-extending pocket passer in the game, by far.

False: it's Ben Roethlisberger.

[BWillie]

Why does everybody slob on Andrew Luck's knob? He's yet to have a season where he has a QB rating above 97

[loochy]

18. Alex Smith, Chiefs

Underrated mobility adds a dimension to a QB who operates under defined reads and who attempts safe throws almost exclusively.

:evil::thumb:

Everything there seems just about right to me.

[Tribal Warfare]

Everything there seems just about right to me.

Just like our draft position range since his arrival

[ILChief]

Five head at 4 is a joke.

[Eleazar]

Why isn't Russell Wilson #1?

[Demonpenz]

Andrew Luck is so high because scouts look at 1 thing. How bad can you demoralize the Kansas City Chiefs Fan base.

[SeeingRed]

i think Alex Smith should be higher and Rivers should be lower but agree for the most part

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Spot on. Which makes it funny seeing Seattle fans tell me Russell Wilson should get less than Alex Smith. ROFL

[rico]

#32 Matt Cassel.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

i think Alex Smith should be higher and Rivers should be lower but agree for the most part

Maybe by 2-3 spots. Tops. Maybe. Agreed on rivers.

[duncan_idaho]

Looks about right to me, but I'm sure multiple people will freak out about Smith being ranked behind Cutler, Tannehill, Newton and Stafford. Oh, and Romo.

[stumppy]

Looks about right to me, but I'm sure multiple people will freak out about Smith being ranked behind Cutler, Tannehill, Kaep, Newton and Stafford. Oh, and Romo.

They have him 3 spots ahead of Kaep.

[duncan_idaho]

They have him 3 spots ahead of Kaep.



Just missed that as I was going back through that. But still... Alex Smith defenders will shortly begin talking about how his ball security makes him a better QB than the other guys I listed there.

[stumppy]

Just missed that as I was going back through that. But still... Alex Smith defenders will shortly begin talking about how his ball security makes him a better QB that the other guys I listed there.

Yea, it wouldn't matter where they ranked him. One side or the other is going to turn the thread into a big ole pot of shit stew.
This is going to be the longest July ever for cp members.

[MahiMike]

Anyone else sick of these QB lists?

[TEX]

Just missed that as I was going back through that. But still... Alex Smith defenders will shortly begin talking about how his ball security makes him a better QB than the other guys I listed there.

You dog Smith relentlessly, yet you defended one Brodie Croyle...ROFL

[BigCatDaddy]

Pretty fair rankings.

[King_Chief_Fan]

The rg3 and Geno Smith crowd has to scratching their heads

[duncan_idaho]

You dog Smith relentlessly, yet you defended one Brodie Croyle...ROFL

That is unlikely.

At what point did I defend Brodie Croyle? I think you're confusing me with someone else.

[loochy]

That is unlikely.

At what point did I defend Brodie Croyle? I think you're confusing me with someone else.

Even if you did, who cares? The fact that you liked (or may have liked) Brodie Croyle has no impact on the meh-ness of Axl.

[Prison Bitch]

Why isn't Russell Wilson #1?

They didn't ask Hoots

[loochy]

Why isn't Russell Wilson #1?

because bus driver.



hehehe :D

[Sandy Vagina]

Anyone else sick of these QB lists?

Meh. They are completely harmless.. sometimes even humorous.

As for Smith at 18? Yeah, I'd move him up about 5 spots. Even if to accept at 18? That's a pretty complimentary spot, having played behind a bottom OL throwing to bottom 5 WRs.

[morphius]

I'd move Smith ahead of Cutler and maybe Cam, but wouldn't go any higher than that.

Cam and Cutler could be better, but neither actually is.

[RollChiefsRoll]

32. Matt Cassel, Bills

Put EJ Manuel or Tyrod Taylor here if you want. Whatever—you get the idea.


lulz

[TLO]

Alex Smith thread.

[loochy]

32. Matt Cassel, Bills

Put EJ Manuel or Tyrod Taylor a dog turd here if you want. Whatever—you get the idea.

FYP

[RealSNR]

Looks about right to me, but I'm sure multiple people will freak out about Smith being ranked behind Cutler, Tannehill, Newton and Stafford. Oh, and Romo.

He should certainly be ranked above Cutler and Palmer, I think.

16 would probably be his sweet spot. There are a few QBs behind him that I might put above him, so I guess 18 is still fair.

But the Cutler and Palmer rankings are jokes.

[BigChiefFan]

Jay Cutler definitely should not be ahead of Alex Smith. Cutler is complete ass.

[notorious]

I agree with Smith's ranking.

[BigCatDaddy]

Alex Smith the divider, Matt Cassel the uniter.

[CoMoChief]

Yeah Cutler shouldn't be above Smith. I'd swap those rankings.

Other than that, Smith's ranking is right where it should be....he's an avg to below avg QB.

[duncan_idaho]

He should certainly be ranked above Cutler and Palmer, I think.

16 would probably be his sweet spot. There are a few QBs behind him that I might put above him, so I guess 18 is still fair.

But the Cutler and Palmer rankings are jokes.

I wouldn't call them jokes. They can be debated. All are flawed QBs with differing strengths and weaknesses.

If protecting the football and limiting turnovers are more important to you, sure, Alex Smith is the obvious choice.

But considering Cutler's arm talent, I can see some scenarios where Cutler is a preferred choice.

Palmer is a very similar player to Alex Smith, with more willingness to push the ball downfield but less mobility. Again, based on system and what is needed from the QB spot, a player I could see some preferring.

[Chiefshrink]

Jay Cutler definitely should not be ahead of Alex Smith. Cutler is complete ass.

This I agree thoroughly. Cutler can't win the big one when it counts. Cutler quits when he "thinks" he is beat. The only reason some of these guys are ahead of Smith is they can throw the deep ball and have been to the playoffs a few more times. Cutler is a loser because he has no fire in the belly to win and Newton is a loser because he still thinks it's all about him(Still doing the Superman chest spread is just idiotic.:rolleyes:

[Chiefshrink]

All Smith has to do is show more playmaking ability in crunch time and then WIN !!:shrug:

[RealSNR]

I wouldn't call them jokes. They can be debated. All are flawed QBs with differing strengths and weaknesses.

If protecting the football and limiting turnovers are more important to you, sure, Alex Smith is the obvious choice.

But considering Cutler's arm talent, I can see some scenarios where Cutler is a preferred choice.

Palmer is a very similar player to Alex Smith, with more willingness to push the ball downfield but less mobility. Again, based on system and what is needed from the QB spot, a player I could see some preferring.

Cutler isn't Brett Favre. He's Jeff George. He's fucking terrible.

[Rain Man]

Cassel is rated too high.

[Chiefshrink]

Cutler isn't Brett Favre. He's Jeff George. He's ****ing terrible.

I continually said this to Bronco fans when he first started his career out here and of course they rejected the idea until the press conferences kept getting worse as time went on as he continued to lose the important games. He is quiet Jeff George for sure.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

OTWP liked EJ Manuel. Dumbass

[Whosurdaddy]

A little too high:
Carson Palmer, Derek Carr, and Ryan Tannehill.

A little too low:
Andy Dalton, Drew Brees.

[thabear04]

#32 Matt Cassel.

http://media.giphy.com/media/epdsFE0Q4uFzi/giphy.gif

[Dave Lane]

i think Alex Smith should be higher and Rivers should be lower but agree for the most part

How fucking high are you? Alex should be in the mid 20's at best as a QB, they are giving him way too much credit for scrambling.

[Brock]

You dog Smith relentlessly, yet you defended one Brodie Croyle...ROFL

The fuck are you talking about?

[Sully]

Andrew Luck is so high because scouts look at 1 thing. How bad can you demoralize the Kansas City Chiefs Fan base.

#32 Matt Cassel.

Theory proven wrong...

[morphius]

How ****ing high are you? Alex should be in the mid 20's at best as a QB, they are giving him way too much credit for scrambling.

Maybe he, "should be", but there are a lot of really crappy QB's out there.

[Titty Meat]

Alex Smith thread

[Tombstone RJ]

Cassel is rated too high.

lulz

[ThaVirus]

Andrew Luck is way too high.

Romo and Russell Wilson are too low.

Cutler and Flacco should be a bit lower. Alex Smith should be a bit higher.

Not a horrible list, though.

[mcaj22]

Id gladly take a bunch of those guys listed after Smith; Bridgewater, Bortles, Winston, Dalton, Kaepernick

all better than him and its not close

[ViperVisor]

13. Matthew Stafford, Lions

Owner of the best raw arm in the game, and he became more disciplined last season.

He actually was right behind Smith *who did you know threw no TDs to WRs?* in TD% and is right at the same % over the last 4 seasons.

[BigCatDaddy]

I think guys here sell Palmer short. If you want to knock him for something its staying healthy.

[BigCatDaddy]

Id gladly take a bunch of those guys listed after Smith; Bridgewater, Bortles, Winston, Dalton, Kaepernick

all better than him and its not close

They basically didnt want to elevate any guys in their first few years too high it appears.

[Tombstone RJ]

Luck will soon be ranked #1...

[duncan_idaho]

I think guys here sell Palmer short. If you want to knock him for something its staying healthy.

I'm not sure why he takes so much criticism here, other than being a former Raider.

Perhaps because some suggested the Chiefs should have traded for him instead of Smith?

[BigCatDaddy]

I'm not sure why he takes so much criticism here, other than being a former Raider.

Perhaps because some suggested the Chiefs should have traded for him instead of Smith?

No idea. He is typically 4000 yards, 60% completiton, 25 TD guy. Throws a few many picks and is injury prone but thats why is 16 and not higher.

[lawrenceRaider]

No idea. He is typically 4000 yards, 60% completiton, 25 TD guy. Throws a few many picks and is injury prone but thats why is 16 and not higher.

Palmer has the ability to throw an INT at exactly the wrong time. Seemed like he would do it as a Raider right when he needed to protect the ball at the end of games. A loss to ATL is a perfect example of Palmer playing a great game, then tossing an INT towards the end to help ATL get back in it.

[BigChiefFan]

My List...
1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3.Peyton Manning
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Drew Brees
6. Andrew Luck
7. Tony Romo
8. Russell Wilson
9. Matt Ryan
10. Joe Flacco
11. Philip Rivers
12. Eli Manning
13.Cam Newton
14. Matt Stafford
15. Ryan Tannehill
16. Alex Smith
17. Andy Dalton
18. Carson Palmer
19. Colin Kaepernick
20. Teddy Bridgewater
21. Sam Bradford
22. Nick Foles
23. Derek Carr
24. Jay Cutler
25. Blake Bortles
26. Jamesis Winston
27. Geno Smith
28. Robert Griffith 111
29. Brian Hoyer
30. Josh McCown
31. Matt Cassel
32. Marcus Mariota

[Chiefshrink]

Luck will soon be ranked #1...

I agree with just talent alone but he will have to win some SBs though.

[Tombstone RJ]

Here's mine:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Andrew Luck
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Peyton Manning
6. Philip Rivers
7. Tony Romo
8. Matt Ryan
9. Russell Wilson
10. Matt Stafford
11. Ben Roethlisberger
12. Joe Flacco
13. Cam Newton
14. Eli Manning
15. Andy Dalton
16. Ryan Tannehill
17. Carson Palmer
18. Alex Smith
19. Teddy Bridgewater
20. Nick Foles
21. Sam Bradford
22. Colin Kaepernick
23. Derek Carr
24. Jay Cutler
25. Blake Bortles
26. Jamesis Winston
27. Geno Smith
28. Robert Griffith 111
29. Brian Hoyer
30. Josh McCown
31. Matt Cassel
32. Marcus Mariota

[Amnorix]

Here's mine:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Andrew Luck
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Peyton Manning



Just so I understand it -- is this for 2015 season or if you were holding a draft now to build your team for the next X years?

If the former, I can't imagine Luck above Brady. If the latter, then I definitely agree, but I can't imagine how Brees/Manning are 4/5 on your list.

[Tombstone RJ]

Just so I understand it -- is this for 2015 season or if you were holding a draft now to build your team for the next X years?

If the former, I can't imagine Luck above Brady. If the latter, then I definitely agree, but I can't imagine how Brees/Manning are 4/5 on your list.

Well Manning and Brees are 3 and 5 on another poster's list. Why don't you go ask him? :roll eyes:

Also, what the hell are you talking about "is this for 2015 season or if you were holding a draft now to build your team for the next X years?" Why does this only apply to my opinion and not errrbody else?

[dls6501]

As for Smith at 18? Yeah, I'd move him up about 5 spots. Even if to accept at 18? That's a pretty complimentary spot, having played behind a bottom OL throwing to bottom 5 WRs.

Complimentary? That would mean he is a below average NFL starting quarterback.....something you some of us have been trying to get through your head since you followed him over to KC....which you argued until you were blue in the face.

Now its a compliment? LOL. Just comical.

[PizzaDoughz]

Well Manning and Brees is 3 and 5 on another poster's list. Why don't you go ask him? :roll eyes:

Also, what the hell are you talking about "is this for 2015 season or if you were holding a draft now to build your team for the next X years?" Why does this only apply to my opinion and not errrbody else?

Because you're talking to a butthurt cheatriot homer, what do you expect?

[dls6501]

Why I have a hard time with rankings in general, is because people try to rank QBs on what they have done rather than their skillset. When I try to compare QBs, I try to image all things equal. Who would I pick over who if similar circumstance?

The reason why I dont appreciate players like Alex Smith or Russell Wilson nearly as much as players like Tony Romo is because of what is asked out of each quarterback. If Tony Romo plays poorly, the Cowboys have absolutely no chance of winning the game. If Alex Smith or Russell Wilson play poorly, do the Seahawks or our chances of winning drastically go down? No, not really. Alex Smith and Russell Wilson have the luxury of protecting the ball at the expense of production. Most other QBs dont have that luxury....which is why you see more interceptions.

I dont think protecting the ball is some amazing skill....its something ANY serviceable NFL quarterback can do if he doesnt have to worry about anything other than that. I value production over protection. Russell Wilson is right where he should be, and Alex is too high.

[ViperVisor]

Carson Palmer?

The buzz and fantasy football hype based on a stretch of good play for the 1st time in 5 years.

The avg D Pts allowed he faced was 21st.

And Defense handed the AZ offense 13 Turnovers in that 6 game stretch, 3 D/ST TDs. KC got 13 ALL SEASON.

[Hootie]

My List...
1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3.Peyton Manning
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Drew Brees
6. Andrew Luck
7. Tony Romo
8. Russell Wilson
9. Matt Ryan
10. Joe Flacco
11. Philip Rivers
12. Eli Manning
13.Cam Newton
14. Matt Stafford
15. Ryan Tannehill
16. Alex Smith
17. Andy Dalton
18. Carson Palmer
19. Colin Kaepernick
20. Teddy Bridgewater
21. Sam Bradford
22. Nick Foles
23. Derek Carr
24. Jay Cutler
25. Blake Bortles
26. Jamesis Winston
27. Geno Smith
28. Robert Griffith 111
29. Brian Hoyer
30. Josh McCown
31. Matt Cassel
32. Marcus Mariota
This isn't half bad

[Rausch]

Looks about right to me, but I'm sure multiple people will freak out about Smith being ranked behind Cutler, Tannehill, Newton and Stafford. Oh, and Romo.

He should be ranked behind all of them...

[rico]

You know, it is nice seeing Matt Cassel listed where he belongs...the lowest ranked projected starting QB in the league. However, it sure would have been nice seeing him acknowledged for what he was, is and always will be when the Chiefs had him. I used to become physically ill when I'd see him ranked by these "lithpmakers" anywhere from top 10 (after that flukey 2010 season) to nothing lower than like...18-20... Ugh.

[ThaVirus]

My List...

1. Tom Brady

2. Aaron Rodgers

3.Peyton Manning

4. Ben Roethlisberger

5. Drew Brees

6. Andrew Luck

7. Tony Romo

8. Russell Wilson

9. Matt Ryan

10. Joe Flacco

11. Philip Rivers

12. Eli Manning

13.Cam Newton

14. Matt Stafford

15. Ryan Tannehill

16. Alex Smith

17. Andy Dalton

18. Carson Palmer

19. Colin Kaepernick

20. Teddy Bridgewater

21. Sam Bradford

22. Nick Foles

23. Derek Carr

24. Jay Cutler

25. Blake Bortles

26. Jamesis Winston

27. Geno Smith

28. Robert Griffith 111

29. Brian Hoyer

30. Josh McCown

31. Matt Cassel

32. Marcus Mariota


That actually is a really fucking good ranking. I'd only make a couple minor tweaks, nothing egregiously out of place IMO.

[ThaVirus]

I'd put Aaron Rodgers at #1 and drop the cheater Brady down to #2, in case the local Patriot d bags were wondering..

[Sandy Vagina]

Complimentary? That would mean he is a below average NFL starting quarterback.....something you some of us have been trying to get through your head since you followed him over to KC....which you argued until you were blue in the face.

Now its a compliment? LOL. Just comical.


I am saying that if Smith is ranked 18th playing behind a shit OL throwing to shit WRs, imagine what his rank might be if (or when) playing behind a respectable OL throwing to respectable WRs.

[Pablo]

I am saying that if Smith is ranked 18th playing behind a shit OL throwing to shit WRs, imagine what his rank might be if (or when) playing behind a respectable OL throwing to respectable WRs.At least 15 or 16.

[Eleazar]

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Andrew Luck
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Philip Rivers
7. Matt Ryan
8. Matt Stafford
9. Joe Flacco
10. Ben Roethlisberger
11. Russell Wilson
12. Eli Manning
13. Alex Smith
14. Tony Romo
15. Carson Palmer
16. Ryan Tannehill
17. Blake Bortles
18. Teddy Bridgewater
19. Jay Cutler
20. Cam Newton
21. Andy Dalton
22. Marcus Mariota
23. Derek Carr
24. Nick Foles
25. Colin Kaepernick
26. Sam Bradford
27. Jamesis Winston
28. Robert Griffith III
29. Geno Smith
30. Brian Hoyer
31. Josh McCown
32. Matt Cassel

[TimBone]

At least 15 or 16.
Hahahahaha

[rico]

I am saying that if Smith is ranked 18th playing behind a shit OL throwing to shit WRs, imagine what his rank might be if (or when) playing behind a respectable OL throwing to respectable WRs.

Probably like 31...because when he continues to not produce and keep the Chiefs in purgatory due to his limitations, while having the most fortunate of circumstances, then what would the excuses be? The almighty list makers would have to acknowledge that and rank him accordingly.

Still better than Cassel, though. :)

[ThaVirus]

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Andrew Luck
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Philip Rivers
7. Matt Ryan
8. Matt Stafford
9. Joe Flacco
10. Ben Roethlisberger
11. Russell Wilson
12. Eli Manning
13. Alex Smith
14. Tony Romo
15. Carson Palmer
16. Ryan Tannehill
17. Blake Bortles
18. Teddy Bridgewater
19. Jay Cutler
20. Cam Newton
21. Andy Dalton
22. Marcus Mariota
23. Derek Carr
24. Nick Foles
25. Colin Kaepernick
26. Sam Bradford
27. Jamesis Winston
28. Robert Griffith III
29. Geno Smith
30. Brian Hoyer
31. Josh McCown
32. Matt Cassel


This list fucking blows. Horrible.

[BigCatDaddy]

This list fucking blows. Horrible.

Pretty sure he just pulled names out of a hat.

Also don't know how to hell to rank a guy that has never taken 1 NFL snap. I'd rather just make a list of guys that have at least 3 seasons under their belt and leave the others and INC's.

[Eleazar]

Pretty sure he just pulled names out of a hat.

Also don't know how to hell to rank a guy that has never taken 1 NFL snap. I'd rather just make a list of guys that have at least 3 seasons under their belt and leave the others and INC's.

It's a list in order of whom I'd like to be our QB1 going into this season.

[Easy 6]

18. Alex Smith, Chiefs

Underrated mobility adds a dimension to a QB who operates under defined reads and who attempts safe throws almost exclusively.

:evil::thumb:

Yeah, read this a few days ago and there isn't much to argue with as far as their thumbnail description... but when he's "on", he's fringe top 10 imo... he isn't gonna kill anyone by himself, but if the team is rolling he'll roll right with' em.

[BigCatDaddy]

It's a list in order of whom I'd like to be our QB1 going into this season.

Well given age and skill set I'm not sure how anybody wouldn't take Luck number 1 if that's how you are ranking them. He gives you a 10 year window.

[Mav]

Id gladly take a bunch of those guys listed after Smith; Bridgewater, Bortles, Winston, Dalton, Kaepernick

all better than him and its not close


Crowning a rookie? Dalton has proven nothing, and kaep is not better today. Bortles? Stop. Bridge water hell yes. What a miss by a ton of teams.