Elite QB's Smith has deafeted the last 4 years

[Titty Meat]

Rodgers
Brady
Wilson
Brees
Rothlisberger
Rivers

Why can't a talented team with Smith compete?

[Ming the Merciless]

hey thats 1.5 elite QBs every year!!!!

if we play 0 elite QB's in 2015 we might win 1.5 playoff games agianst elite QB's !!!

[Gonzo]

Oh god. Here we go.

[staylor26]

hey thats 1.5 elite QBs every year!!!!

if we play 0 elite QB's in 2015 we might win 1.5 playoff games agianst elite QB's !!!

:facepalm:

[Hammock Parties]

because his defense is beating the QB, not him.

the playoff game being the exception, but that will NEVER happen again.

[eDave]

because his defense is beating the QB, not him.

the playoff game being the exception, but that will NEVER happen again.

Exactly. It's not QB vs. QB.

OP should proof read too.

[Hammock Parties]

Exactly. It's not QB vs. QB.


Well, it CAN be.

When the defense falters, it becomes QB vs QB...and Alex fails in those situations traditionally, because his defense carries him usually, not the other way around.

3-37-1

Anyway, this team doesn't have the OL or receivers to get into a shootout with anyone. And certainly not the QB.

We will need a top 3 scoring defense to win a playoff game with Alice.

[CoMoChief]

A QB doesn't "defeat" another QB. This isn't baseball where it CAN be SP(A) vs. SP(B).

Alex Smith has played with some pretty good defenses throughout his career, and he's only been able to produce avg results.

That's all you really need to know. His record isn't very good when the opposing team scores 20 or more, and if anything that's an indication that he's unable to lead his offense to keep up with his opposition.

But man do I ever hope he's able to prove his doubters wrong this season.

[Hammock Parties]

A QB doesn't "defeat" another QB.

The more the other QB scores the more pressure is on your team's QB.

Alex doesn't respond well to that pressure.

[ArrowheadRulez]

Alex will be fine!!!

[Hammock Parties]

Alex will be fine!!!

http://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/images/imported/KC/AlexContract.jpg

[CoMoChief]

The more the other QB scores the more pressure is on your team's QB.

Alex doesn't respond well to that pressure.

But it's not "just" the QB. There are other factors to the game as well. What happens if the running game sucks?

Smith can't win without a great defensive performance and a strong running game. The 2013 playoff game was the exception to the rule, that's about the best game Alex Smith's ever played. You can't simply just count on that happening like it's the norm, because his very next game, the 2014 season opener, he had a very shitty Matt Cassel-like performance.

[DaneMcCloud]

because his defense is beating the QB, not him.

the playoff game being the exception, but that will NEVER happen again.

Just like you never having sex

[TribalElder]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/images/imported/KC/AlexContract.jpg

Alex is like... Suckaz

[007]

Oh god. Here we go.

I know, right. :banghead: LMAO

[J Diddy]

I find it hilarious when people say Alex can't win in the playoffs. The only sample size we have to go on is the Indy game and Alex was great.

[Jiu Jitsu Jon]

I think the OP didn't mean football, he meant Smith defeated them in a kumite like that movie Bloodsport.

[mcaj22]

I find it hilarious when people say Alex can't win in the playoffs. The only sample size we have to go on is the Indy game and Alex was great.

that's the point, Alex can't win games when the defense lays down.

The elite QBs sometimes can. Alex is 100 percent dependent on a working defense.

Aaron Rodgers defense can give up 30 and he will score 40.

[notorious]

God Damn, Billay.

He turned on the flood lamp in the Amazon rainforest at 1am in the morning. The swarm is coming.

[Bugeater]

You know why. Because....

[wazu]

God Damn, Billay.

He turned on the flood lamp in the Amazon rainforest at 1am in the morning. The swarm is coming.

Perfect analogy.

[Red Beans]

I'm so glad we're having this conversation again. It's fun to explore the same argument time and time again. This horse was dead, rose on he third day and then died again. All the while we're still beating it. It's a whole new level of :doh!:

[chiefzilla1501]

that's the point, Alex can't win games when the defense lays down.

The elite QBs sometimes can. Alex is 100 percent dependent on a working defense.

Aaron Rodgers defense can give up 30 and he will score 40.
The problem for me is the playoff game proves he can do it. But he won't stop with this game management bullshit. He's beaten guys like Romo and Vick because those guys can be shut down. Beat brady because for some reason, KC shut him down. But the games against Peyton and big Ben were unbelievably frustrating because Smith tries to manage games against a QB you need to attack against. You aren't going to out manage Peyton.

Reid has commented that he needs Smith to throw downfield more. Well... We're in year 3. Make it fucking happen already.

[milkman]

that's the point, Alex can't win games when the defense lays down.

The elite QBs sometimes can. Alex is 100 percent dependent on a working defense.

Aaron Rodgers defense can give up 30 and he will score 40.

The reality is that Rodgers had one spectacular post season in which he overcame his team's defensive deficiencies to win a SB.
He is the best QB in the game today, and he has the potential to do it again, but is more likely than he won't.

Tom Brady, for all of his success through the years, wasn't able to win anothr SB after the teamns defensive decline from his early years, until Bellichick finally built that D back up.

[chiefzilla1501]

The reality is that Rodgers had one spectacular post season in which he overcame his team's defensive deficiencies to win a SB.
He is the best QB in the game today, and he has the potential to do it again, but is more likely than he won't.

Tom Brady, for all of his success through the years, wasn't able to win anothr SB after the teamns defensive decline from his early years, until Bellichick finally built that D back up.

For as much as people on CP talk about lighting up scoreboards, Brees and Rodgers have one SB apiece and a LOT of disappointing playoff losses. I've shared the stat that even the most elite QBs have a really, really bad record in the playoffs when their defense gives up 30+ (think it's something like 3-10). So while people hate Martyball, as they should, the opposite extreme often isn't much better. Balance is still the way to go.

[beach tribe]

There is not single post that can or will be made in this thread that hasn't been monotonously exhausted.

[bevischief]

Oh god. Here we go.

Please let the MOD fun begin

[RealSNR]

God Damn, Billay.

He turned on the flood lamp in the Amazon rainforest at 1am in the morning. The swarm is coming.

Alex Smith doesn't care about black people

[notorious]

Alex Smith doesn't care about black people

LMAO

We need to get white WR's and black TE's to force Alex to throw deep.

[chiefforlife]

Once Peyton Manning is added to that list, we might get some where.

[Rausch]

I find it hilarious when people say Alex can't win in the playoffs. The only sample size we have to go on is the Indy game and Alex was great.

You have to get there to win.

He's gotten there once (with us, which is all I care about) and he lost.

No, I wouldn't put that game on him.

He'll, I'd give him a mulligan for all of last season...

[BossChief]

Alex Smith in the playoffs:

3 games
1000 yards
10 tds
0 ints

Yeah, can't win with that guy.

[Discuss Thrower]

Alex Smith in the playoffs:

3 games
1000 yards
10 tds
0 ints

Yeah, can't win with that guy.

1-2 record.

[Rausch]

1-2 record.

3 playoff games in 10 years isn't spectacular...

[Eleazar]

1-2 record.

Damn Alex, giving up 30 points in a half :LOL::LOL::LOL:

[Titty Meat]

Nobody has really answered the question though.

[-King-]

that's the point, Alex can't win games when the defense lays down.

The elite QBs sometimes can. Alex is 100 percent dependent on a working defense.

Aaron Rodgers defense can give up 30 and he will score 40.

Scoring 40 would have lost in the playoff game...
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[Discuss Thrower]

Damn Alex, giving up 30 points in a half :LOL::LOL::LOL:

Which argument is it:

38-15-1 in four seasons- "All he does is win!"


or


"It's a team game!"




People vacillate so much it's hard to keep track.

[Rivermike87]

3 playoff games in 10 years isn't spectacular...

Atleast he finally gave the Chiefs some sort of hope going into a playoff game to win. kC haven't had that in more than a decade.

[Eleazar]

Which argument is it:

38-15-1 in four seasons- "All he does is win!"


or


"It's a team game!"




People vacillate so much it's hard to keep track.

You're the one that is going to have to spin his playoff numbers, not the people who are asserting that he is a good enough QB to win in the postseason.

[Discuss Thrower]

You're the one that is going to have to spin his playoff numbers, not the people who are asserting that he is a good enough QB to win in the postseason.

People point out Smith is middle or bottom tier in most passing statistics. Particularly, ones that point to the true effectiveness of any QB in yards per attempt -net or otherwise-. These stats supposedly don't mean anything because: a) 38-15-1 record as a stater and b) reasons.

Then, BossChief asserts through Smith's statistics that he's good enough to win a playoff game. But apparently his record as a starter doesn't apply in this instance because: a) he's not playing defense and b) reasons.

I'm not spinning anything. The statistics matter or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

[RunKC]

1-2 record.

Rodgers 2-4 since his SB. Clearly he sucks now LMAO

[RunKC]

Joking aside, and since discuss is one of the biggest retards here, team strength is absolutely a key factor to winning.

Alex was drafted into one of the worst regimes with one of the worst talented teams. Finally when they got some good drafts and then Harbaugh they started winning.

This team is built up with talent and coaching. The team is strong. Alex should at the very least take us to the playoffs. I'm expecting at least one playoff win.

[staylor26]

People point out Smith is middle or bottom tier in most passing statistics. Particularly, ones that point to the true effectiveness of any QB in yards per attempt -net or otherwise-. These stats supposedly don't mean anything because: a) 38-15-1 record as a stater and b) reasons.

Then, BossChief asserts through Smith's statistics that he's good enough to win a playoff game. But apparently his record as a starter doesn't apply in this instance because: a) he's not playing defense and b) reasons.

I'm not spinning anything. The statistics matter or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

What a ****ing hypocrite you are. Biggest moron on this board and it's not even close.

By the way a 4 game sample (against playoff teams) isn't quite the same as a few regular seasons. The irony is you're the one being exposed as the hypocrite ROFL

[Rivermike87]

Alex can win in the playoffs, people need to realize that. Would've won the Indy game if it weren't for all the people dropping like flies. Compare that team to this one now the team is even better. If you need proof check out the 49ers v saints 2012 divisional rd

[listopencil]

The number is zero because Alex Smith doesn't play Defense.

[Just Passin' By]

Alex can win in the playoffs, people need to realize that.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Rex Grossman made it to a Super Bowl.

Pretty much any QB who's good enough to play in the NFL will be "good enough" if you get him into just the right circumstances. The question's really about which QBs can win in less than optimum situations.

Brady took a horseshit defense to within a minute of a SB win in 2011, for example, while Andy Dalton can't win a playoff game in the divisional round.

[milkman]

People point out Smith is middle or bottom tier in most passing statistics. Particularly, ones that point to the true effectiveness of any QB in yards per attempt -net or otherwise-. These stats supposedly don't mean anything because: a) 38-15-1 record as a stater and b) reasons.

Then, BossChief asserts through Smith's statistics that he's good enough to win a playoff game. But apparently his record as a starter doesn't apply in this instance because: a) he's not playing defense and b) reasons.

I'm not spinning anything. The statistics matter or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

Stats mean jack, including a QB's record.

[Discuss Thrower]

Alex was drafted into one of the worst regimes with one of the worst talented teams. Finally when they got some good drafts and then Harbaugh they started winning.


Yet what was the outcome when the 49ers had a defense that was in the top 25 units of all time in 2011?

Right, right, it was all Kyle Williams fault for muffing two punts or whatever. Let's just ignore the fact that the 49ers had nine second half and overtime possessions, scored a TD and a FG, punted six times and had the clock expire on drive because Delanie Walker couldn't hold on to the football.

Six punts with one of these punts in a sudden death situation. Yet, it's all Kyle Williams fault for sucking at his job. Surely nobody is glossing over the fact that the offense couldn't sustain a drive when it mattered most.

And that 49ers team was superior to what KC is going to have this year and have better coaching to boot. They had defense comparable to that of the '13 Seahawks (who were the only reason Seattle has been in two Super Bowls and have come away with a Lombardi trophy) and an offense that's going to be within the same realm as what the Chiefs have with perhaps a slight edge to KC.

Best case scenario is the Chiefs have a defense as good as the 2011 49ers. That Jeremy Maclin, Travis Kelce, Jamaal Charles, Albert Wilson, and Chris Conley are better than Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Kyle Williams and Ted Ginn respectively.

A lot of the blame falls on the San Francisco defense for allowing the Giants to score three more points than what the 49ers were able to score in the conference final game. If the Chiefs of 2015 are equal to the 2011 49ers, then yeah, you can expect a playoff win but that's about it... And that's assuming the Chiefs are equal to or better than that team -and that's a stretch to say at this point beeeeeeeeecause......


This team is built up with talent and coaching. The team is strong. Alex should at the very least take us to the playoffs. I'm expecting at least one playoff win.

The expectation should be that the team be more than one game above .500. I mean, the Chiefs did go 2-14 three years ago. That's pretty hard to overcome in such a short amount of time.

[Discuss Thrower]

Stats mean jack, including a QB's record.

So then it's all about the eye test, is it not?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Oh for the love of jizz-stained fuck-it-all:

http://www.vamworld.com/file/view/cherry.jpg/371253746/cherry.jpg

[TLO]

Lol

[milkman]

So then it's all about the eye test, is it not?

Yes.

And before you shit on this, the eye test tells me that Alex Smith is capable of winning.

The question is, can he overcome his own fear of risk consistently enough to do it?

That question is unanswerable for us.

[Rivermike87]

If the Chiefs of 2015 are equal to the 2011 49ers, then yeah, you can expect a playoff win but that's about it... And that's assuming the Chiefs are equal to or better than that team -and that's a stretch to say at this point.

I wouldn't necessarily say it's a stretch to compare the two teams because honestly they are quite similar. Good running attack, same qb, scary defense all around, a monster at tight end. Only difference is 2011 49ers had pro bowlers on their line. With that being said people should be optimistic for the upcoming season. It's the Chiefs time to shine

[RunKC]

Yet what was the outcome when the 49ers had a defense that was in the top 25 units of all time in 2011?

Right, right, it was all Kyle Williams fault for muffing two punts or whatever. Let's just ignore the fact that the 49ers had nine second half and overtime possessions, scored a TD and a FG, punted six times and had the clock expire on drive because Delanie Walker couldn't hold on to the football.

Six punts with one of these punts in a sudden death situation. Yet, it's all Kyle Williams fault for sucking at his job. Surely nobody is glossing over the fact that the offense couldn't sustain a drive when it mattered most.

And that 49ers team was superior to what KC is going to have this year and have better coaching to boot. They had defense comparable to that of the '13 Seahawks (who were the only reason Seattle has been in two Super Bowls and have come away with a Lombardi trophy) and an offense that's going to be within the same realm as what the Chiefs have with perhaps a slight edge to KC.

Best case scenario is the Chiefs have a defense as good as the 2011 49ers. That Jeremy Maclin, Travis Kelce, Jamaal Charles, Albert Wilson, and Chris Conley are better than Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Kyle Williams and Ted Ginn respectively.

A lot of the blame falls on the San Francisco defense for allowing the Giants to score three more points than what the 49ers were able to score in the conference final game. If the Chiefs of 2015 are equal to the 2011 49ers, then yeah, you can expect a playoff win but that's about it... And that's assuming the Chiefs are equal to or better than that team -and that's a stretch to say at this point beeeeeeeeecause......



The expectation should be that the team be more than one game above .500. I mean, the Chiefs did go 2-14 three years ago. That's pretty hard to overcome in such a short amount of time.

That team made the SB the next year with one of the most overrated QB's in the league

[ViperVisor]

2011 49ers had a nice easy schedule and was hitting the turnover lottery that season.

Offense being retrograde at time had a lot to do with holdout and system change, Injuries at WR, offensive line pass blocking was not good and neither was run blocking actually, RG and RT specifically. And the genius HC and his offense ability should be questioned after the past 2 49ers seasons.
Gore went from 4 catches a game to 1.
Redzone offense or near the redzone sucked. It was who cares, we'll kick a FG.


In 2010 the 49ers led the NFL in QB Rating in the Redzone 112.8
They fired the original OC Singletary had recruited and opened up the offense with Smith in shotgun more. Sing still sabotaged himself by playing Troy Smith.
Look at how Smith finished 2010. Last 8 games *1 left with injury *1 came in in 4Q
1638 Yards 12 TD 5 INT
And Frank Gore hurt his hip and was out in Week 11 on.

2015 KC > 2011 SF
But in 2011 it was free pass to playoffs an division win. 1st things 1st is getting past DEN.

[Hammock Parties]

That team made the SB the next year with one of the most overrated QB's in the league

And in large part because of that QB.

[Hammock Parties]

Look at how Smith finished 2010.


With a 3-5 record?

:LOL:

You crow about his stats, but in five of those eight games the 49ers scored 20 or fewer points, and they lost all but ONE game in which the defense gave up more than 20 points.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03/gamelog/2010/

Alex is never ever going to be the QB you want him to be.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Super Bowl bound Stop

[BlackOp]

I'm withholding judgement until the end of this season....year 3 for Reid/Dorsey to design their roster. They wanted Sanders and Beckham...and it didn't fall that way. Smith now has legitimate weapons...Kelce is the #1 TE coupled with Maclin. Wilson would have had 900 yards as a rookie if his numbers were over a 16 game span.

I'm optimistic...Brees was what 7-9...what was Eli? Wilson just about won back to back SBs...and I doubt anyone here considers him "elite".

Those muffed punts most definitely prevented Smith from going to the SB...it would be like blaming Bono for missing 3 FGs in a playoff game. You only control what you control..

Smith has been in a position to win all of his playoff appearances...muffed kicks, injuries and miracle fumbles arent his fault.

[ViperVisor]

With a 3-5 record?

:LOL:

You crow about his stats, but in five of those eight games the 49ers scored 20 or fewer points, and the lost all but ONE game in which the defense gave up more than 20 points.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03/gamelog/2010/

Alex is never ever going to be the QB you want him to be.

I heard that in 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015.

It's easy for me to be right when it's a parade of dimwitted shrieking babies on the other side.

I thought he could be pretty good. That's what he has been and what he is a good not great QB.

[Hammock Parties]

I heard that in 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015.

It's easy for me to be right when it's a parade of dimwitted shrieking babies on the other side.

I thought he could be pretty good. That's what he has been and what he is a good not great QB.

If all you want from him is what he is now, you certainly have low standards.

He's a waste of everyone's time. 49ers included. And that's why they moved on.

[Hammock Parties]

it would be like blaming Bono for missing 3 FGs in a playoff game.


Uh...bad comparison.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This is a near elite team

[RealSNR]

I heard that in 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015.

It's easy for me to be right when it's a parade of dimwitted shrieking babies on the other side.

I thought he could be pretty good. That's what he has been and what he is a good not great QB.

So we're back to 49er fans telling us we should be grateful to pay out the ass for "good, not great"

What was it OTW58 said as a reason for leaving? Something about having the same tired conversation over and over again?

[ViperVisor]

So we're back to 49er fans telling us we should be grateful to pay out the ass for "good, not great"

What was it OTW58 said as a reason for leaving? Something about having the same tired conversation over and over again?

That is BS. But keep on movin the goalposts.

[RobBlake]

when people stop analyzing football as if its checkers.. then these topics will be more interesting and less mundane...

I do see some crazy games where alex will go off with maclin and kelce helpin' him.

[RobBlake]

This is a near elite team

depends on the Oline and rather Andy wants to pro-actively use Charles every week.

[BossChief]

Alex's best quality as a passer is his ability to distribute the ball and with the elite speed at literally every skill position (except Avant, who is a damn good blocker) that's gonna create a lot of big plays and should continue to become more and more of a weapon as this group grows together.

[Sandy Vagina]

So we're back to 49er fans telling us we should be grateful to pay out the ass for "good, not great"

What was it OTW58 said as a reason for leaving? Something about having the same tired conversation over and over again?

So don't have it... or simply leave, if you have had enough. I won't tell you how to be, but only recommend a different option. Don't you get tired of being miserable about decisions made that you have no control over?

Anyway, I am a Chiefs fan first now, and 49ers fan second. I barely even keep up with what is happening for SF now.

Like it or not, Alex is the starting QB of the Chiefs for the next 2-3 years. All the hostility and resentment isn't going to change that. The Chiefs are relevant again, and aside from a dozen malcontents on multiple KC forums.. the vast majority of KC fans are very excited for the season. They think this QB can do quite well for the team, or are at least willing to sit back and see if the improved supporting cast around him is going to bring out a better Alex Smith.

[ViperVisor]

Alex's best quality as a passer is his ability to distribute the ball and with the elite speed at literally every skill position (except Avant, who is a damn good blocker) that's gonna create a lot of big plays and should continue to become more and more of a weapon as this group grows together.

Avant at least if you put in on him does not drop it. 3 dropped passes the past 4 seasons

[RealSNR]

That is BS. But keep on movin the goalposts.

We paid 2 2nd round picks and a huge extension. That's a lot for a middle-of-the-road at his position, EVEN the QB position.

[BossChief]

We paid 2 2nd round picks and a huge extension. That's a lot for a middle-of-the-road at his position, EVEN the QB position.

He's better than most of the retreads we've had. The team responds to him and are winning games.

[BossChief]

Avant at least if you put in on him does not drop it.and Maclin only dropped 1 pass last year.

Our receivers have hands of glue.

[cmh6476]

Go royals

[Just Passin' By]

We paid 2 2nd round picks and a huge extension. That's a lot for a middle-of-the-road at his position, EVEN the QB position.

Where are you getting the idea that the two 2nd rounders is a lot? The extension did not come with the trade, so it's a separate issue.

[Rivermike87]

So don't have it... or simply leave, if you have had enough. I won't tell you how to be, but only recommend a different option. Don't you get tired of being miserable about decisions made that you have no control over?

Anyway, I am a Chiefs fan first now, and 49ers fan second. I barely even keep up with what is happening for SF now.

Like it or not, Alex is the starting QB of the Chiefs for the next 2-3 years. All the hostility and resentment isn't going to change that. The Chiefs are relevant again, and aside from a dozen malcontents on multiple KC forums.. the vast majority of KC fans are very excited for the season. They think this QB can do quite well for the team, or are at least willing to sit back and see if the improved supporting cast around him is going to bring out a better Alex Smith.

Very well said sandycheeks.

[New World Order]

He threw for 108 yards against Seattle last season.

Yes, he "beat" Russell Wilson.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

So don't have it... or simply leave, if you have had enough. I won't tell you how to be, but only recommend a different option. Don't you get tired of being miserable about decisions made that you have no control over?

Anyway, I am a Chiefs fan first now, and 49ers fan second. I barely even keep up with what is happening for SF now.

Like it or not, Alex is the starting QB of the Chiefs for the next 2-3 years. All the hostility and resentment isn't going to change that. The Chiefs are relevant again, and aside from a dozen malcontents on multiple KC forums.. the vast majority of KC fans are very excited for the season. They think this QB can do quite well for the team, or are at least willing to sit back and see if the improved supporting cast around him is going to bring out a better Alex Smith.

Here's an option:

Go fuck yourself, and take your "musical chairs" fandom with you.

Very well said sandycheeks.

Negged. Happy Saturday, piss-ant.

[ViperVisor]

We paid 2 2nd round picks and a huge extension. That's a lot for a middle-of-the-road at his position, EVEN the QB position.

No. 34 overall No. 56 overall picks

8.5 mil
4.5 mil
17 mil

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000478529

ZOMG the 11th highest salary for a QB

That's Not a lot to give in picks and payment.

Just months ago were the hissy fits about him being paid top level performer money. As if 10th is top level. Broadest possible definition I guess.
More reasonable people pointed out that he would only be top 10 until Newton got his contract.
And will drop down further after Wilson and Luck. And Eli is most likely gonna get more when he gets a new contract.

[Rivermike87]

Here's an option:

Go fuck yourself, and take your "musical chairs" fandom with you.



Negged. Happy Saturday, piss-ant.

Must suck living your negative life huh? No need to throw people down because you hate their opinions and are actually rooting for the team to succeed. Btw you're probably the type who's never satisfied with anything. While we're content on believing you keep hating because in the end you're still not going to be satisfied

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Must suck living your negative life huh? No need to throw people down because you hate their opinions and are actually rooting for the team to succeed. Btw you're probably the type who's never satisfied with anything. While we're content on believing you keep hating because in the end you're still not going to be satisfied

Yawn.

[Ming the Merciless]

It's easy for me to be right That's what he has been....... not great QB.

totally shocking and new information

my god we are all so thankful youre here

[Ming the Merciless]

Like it or not, Alex is the starting QB of the Chiefs for the next 2-3 years.

This isnt necessarily true....In fact I'd wager it isn't true.

I highly doubt he is the starter in 2018

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This isnt necessarily true....In fact I'd wager it isn't true.

I highly doubt he is the starter in 2018

I highly doubt he will be the starter in 2017.

He will continue to be that bad. He'll get some "bump" by proxy from his team mates, but I believe we all know that Alex will be Alex, and will fold like a house of cards when crucial situations arise.

[BlackOp]

I believe we all know that Alex will be Alex, and will fold like a house of cards when crucial situations arise.

Like he folded against NO in the playoffs? The guy hasn't thrown an INT in 3 playoff appearances....slam him all you want but 10 TD to 0 INT is impressive.

I'm done with these talks...the ability to be objective is blinded by misplaced hatred...why do you two even spend time on a Chiefs forum? It's bizarre...gives you the illusion of attention?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Like he folded against NO in the playoffs? The guy hasn't thrown an INT in 3 playoff appearances....slam him all you want but 10 TD to 0 INT is impressive.

I'm done with these talks...the ability to be objective is blinded by misplaced hatred...why do you two even spend time on a Chiefs forum? It's bizarre...gives you the illusion of attention?

WHEN DID THE CHIEFS PLAY NEW ORLEANS IN THE MOTHERFUCKING PLAYOFFS???

WHEN, JACK?!?!?

[Rivermike87]

WHEN DID THE CHIEFS PLAY NEW ORLEANS IN THE MOTHERFUCKING PLAYOFFS???

WHEN, JACK?!?!?

Maybe a little more studying for you little boy, you're reading comprehension is not so good. He meant while Alex was with the 49ers

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Maybe a little more studying for you little boy, you're reading comprehension is not so good. He meant while Alex was with the 49ers

And seeing as how his work with the Niners is so absolutely fucking irrelevant to the day at hand, I would suggest you pull your head from your ass long enough to fist yourself none too gently.

[eDave]

And seeing as how his work with the Niners is so absolutely ****ing irrelevant to the day at hand, I would suggest you pull your head from your ass long enough to fist yourself none too gently.

By that logic, last your is irrelevant to this year.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

By that logic, last your is irrelevant to this year.

2011 and 2015 are LIGHT YEARS apart in this league.

Who cares? Completely different situations, and he fucking sucked there, too.

Pure, pawned-off trash, and Lil' Chiefy was right there, as usual, to pick it up.

Second verse, same as the first.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Two 2nds is nothing. The contract isn't bad
He just needs to grow some balls and this team is doing damage.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Two 2nds is nothing. The contract isn't bad
He just needs to grow some balls and this team is doing damage.

When a GM from San Francisco shits in the redwoods, is Clark standing by with a pooper-scooper and a bag of money?

[ViperVisor]

And seeing as how his work with the Niners is so absolutely ****ing irrelevant to the day at hand, I would suggest you pull your head from your ass long enough to fist yourself none too gently.

You guys are getting more and more irrational and mean.

Your metaphorical kicking and screaming makes it obvious to everyone that you are desperate.

[ViperVisor]

PAST DOESN'T MATTER!

Recently in the past on this board...

DWAYNE BOWE IS A PLAY-MAKING 1000 YARD WR!

[BigCatDaddy]

Two 2nds is nothing. The contract isn't bad
He just needs to grow some balls and this team is doing damage.

They say after 10 years in the league is the sweet spot for ball development.

[BlackOp]

WHEN DID THE CHIEFS PLAY NEW ORLEANS IN THE MOTHER****ING PLAYOFFS???

WHEN, JACK?!?!?

Smith's lone KC playoff appearance is one the best performances in history...350...4TDs...and 0 INTs...."jack". Not his fault 6 players went down with injury. He put up 40+ points...do you understand what objective means? Do you understand that defense was the cause of losing that game? Had Charles and Davis not been injured..they could have pounded down the clock. Do you understand that when you have your 3 string RB in...that opposing defensive coordinators adjust their scheme? Obsessing on a single position..and blaming it for everything is stupid. Rogers is widely considered the best QB in the NFL..yet has 1 Superbowl appearance....rationalize that. He hasn't been there in 4 years. The way you two talk..he should win it every year.

[Brock]

Rogers is widely considered the best QB in the NFL..yet has 1 Superbowl appearance....rationalize that. The way you two talk..he should win it every year.

Rodgers has more than a super bowl appearance, he has a super bowl win. He's a big time threat to do it every year. Stop comparing kc's qb to franchise qbs. It makes him look worse than he really is.

[Sorter]

Maybe a little more studying for you little boy, you're reading comprehension is not so good. He meant while Alex was with the 49ers

LMAO

[BlackOp]

Rodgers has more than a super bowl appearance, he has a super bowl win. He's a big time threat to do it every year. Stop comparing kc's qb to franchise qbs. It makes him look worse than he really is.

Well...why then? I mean they have the golden ticket to "win it all"...oh yeah..it takes this thing called a "team", chemistry and strategy. You all are obsessing on one facet...without being realistic. "well..Green Bays defense sucked" is what their fans say...why could'nt their golden boy carry them?..isnt that what franchise QBs do?

I get it...when KC beats NE and Seattle, it not because of Smith...but when they lose..it's all his fault. Sounds logical...When Smith brings KC back against Oakland and gives them the lead in the 4th...then the defense chokes..it's Smith fault for giving up an 80 yard TD run and a 4th and forever PI. It's his fault for dropping that easy INT on the Raiders winning drive..

[Brock]

Well...why then? I mean they have the golden ticket to "win it all"...oh yeah..it takes this thing called a "team" and strategy...

AND a great QB. That's just how it is now.

[BlackOp]

AND a great QB. That's just how it is now.

That makes no sense...he should be in the SB every year. Why isn't the best QB in the SB every year? I'm trying to understand your argument...If a franchise QB is the winning recipe than why arent the best going every year? Why is Wilson being so successful? Why is a mediocre team like the Giants beating an 18-0, Brady led team?

[ViperVisor]

A. Your QB being one of the better or best ones
B. Health of your roster *Out of a teams control and up to chance*
C. The QBs and Teams you are matched up against in your division *Out of a teams control and up to chance*
D. Health of your opponents roster *Out of a teams control and up to chance*

Are the Colts or Pats that much better than KC? No.
But they have a clearer path to a Division title and possible Bye/Home Field games.

Since divisions changed in 2002
AFC East
BUF 247 TD 218 INT
MIA 240 TD 215 INT
NYJ 230 TD 217 INT

All bottom 10 in TD-INT ratio in the whole NFL

[BlackOp]

A. Your QB being one of the better or best ones
B. Health of your roster *Out of a teams control and up to chance*
C. The QBs and Teams you are matched up against in your division *Out of a teams control and up to chance*
D. Health of your opponents roster *Out of a teams control and up to chance*

Are the Colts or Pats that much better than KC? No.
But they have a clearer path to a Division title and possible Bye/Home Field games.

Don't forget the quality of the coaching staff...and their ability to put all the moving parts together...I guess that is what some call "chemistry". Injuries kind of supersedes QB...IMO. Having a top 5 QB masks those on the offensive side.

[DaneMcCloud]

They say after 10 years in the league is the sweet spot for ball development.

More dumb shit from a dumbshit.

Kudos.

[DaneMcCloud]

Rodgers has more than a super bowl appearance, he has a super bowl win. He's a big time threat to do it every year. Stop comparing kc's qb to franchise qbs. It makes him look worse than he really is.

He'll be a "threat" if he has a consistent running game and defense.

Otherwise, nope.

[ViperVisor]

Don't forget the quality of the coaching staff...and their ability to put all the moving parts together...I guess that is what some call "chemistry". Injuries kind of supersedes QB...IMO. Having a top 5 QB masks those on the offensive side.

Coaching is a tough one to rank. You know it's crap when it's crap and usually compounded by players not committing other than gameday or half of gameday and that doesn't work. You need 6 days a week focus.

But it's hard to look at what it does because when it changes, it's usually with roster turnover.

[RunKC]

They say after 10 years in the league is the sweet spot for ball development.

Signed,

Rich Gannon

[ViperVisor]

He'll be a "threat" if he has a consistent running game and defense.

Otherwise, nope.

His O-Line was great last season possibly the best pass protection.

Rodgers sack time on avg was over 4 seconds. 3.8+ is high. 4.0 is very high. Geno was a wacky 4.4 seconds. A sign of utter crap QB awareness.

[kcchiefsus]

Well, it CAN be.

When the defense falters, it becomes QB vs QB...and Alex fails in those situations traditionally, because his defense carries him usually, not the other way around.

3-37-1

Anyway, this team doesn't have the OL or receivers to get into a shootout with anyone. And certainly not the QB.

We will need a top 3 scoring defense to win a playoff game with Alice.

Let's not act like you know anything about football. You're a fucking nerd.

[chiefzilla1501]

AND a great QB. That's just how it is now.

Depends on what you mean by a great QB. You're either a QB that can carry a team on your back. Or you're an efficient QB who converts third downs, makes big throws as needed, and is a killer at closing games. On a rare occasion, you have a team good enough to carry your QB.

[chiefzilla1501]

His O-Line was great last season possibly the best pass protection.

Rodgers sack time on avg was over 4 seconds. 3.8+ is high. 4.0 is very high. Geno was a wacky 4.4 seconds. A sign of utter crap QB awareness.

Rodgers' sack time is higher because he's looking downfield and looking to make plays happen. He also has great pocket awareness. I don't think Smith's pocket awareness is anything special. And I think he gets rid of the ball too slow because he doesn't to throw it downfield unless a guy is wide open.

But thing is, I know Smith has it in him. I just don't know after this long how you get him to do that more consistently.

[Brock]

That makes no sense...he should be in the SB every year. Why isn't the best QB in the SB every year? I'm trying to understand your argument...If a franchise QB is the winning recipe than why arent the best going every year? Why is Wilson being so successful? Why is a mediocre team like the Giants beating an 18-0, Brady led team?

Jesus Christ.

[ViperVisor]

Rodgers' sack time is higher because he's looking downfield and looking to make plays happen. Possible to do that when not on the ground or have a guy in your grill.

Blocking comes first.

Who is more focused on chucking to make a play than Luck? And his sack time last year was 3.6

Alex Smith 3.4

[Hammock Parties]

Let's not act like you know anything about football. You're a fucking nerd.

A fucking nerd who can analyze the sport better than homers who just masturbate over BBQ, checkdowns and lack of turnovers.

[RunKC]

A ****ing nerd who can analyze the sport better than homers who just masturbate over BBQ, checkdowns and lack of turnovers.

Geno Smiff

[Hammock Parties]

Geno Smiff

It's not like drafting QBs is a sure thing.

Alex Smith is though. A sure waste of everyone's time.

[chiefzilla1501]

Possible to do that when not on the ground or have a guy in your grill.

Blocking comes first.

Who is more focused on chucking to make a play than Luck? And his sack time last year was 3.6

Alex Smith 3.4

And a lot of those quick sacks could have been avoided if Smith spotted the hot route. Or didn't pull back on a quick pass because he was afraid to throw it into a tight spot. Or if he had better pocket awareness.

Yeah, his OL was terrible. Everybody knows that. But you can't just point blank blame the OL. Smith has to get better in certain areas too. I don't think it's at all a coincidence that when Smith played aggressive end of 2013, the OL played much better.

[Just Passin' By]

That makes no sense...he should be in the SB every year. Why isn't the best QB in the SB every year? I'm trying to understand your argument...If a franchise QB is the winning recipe than why arent the best going every year? Why is Wilson being so successful? Why is a mediocre team like the Giants beating an 18-0, Brady led team?

The top 5 QBs of this 'generation' are Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger and Rodgers. Between them, they have 9 of the last 14 SB wins, and at least one of them has appeared in 12 of the last 14 SBs.

[ViperVisor]

And a lot of those quick sacks could have been avoided if Smith spotted the hot route. Or didn't pull back on a quick pass because he was afraid to throw it into a tight spot. Or if he had better pocket awareness.

Yeah, his OL was terrible. Everybody knows that. But you can't just point blank blame the OL. Smith has to get better in certain areas too. I don't think it's at all a coincidence that when Smith played aggressive end of 2013, the OL played much better.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/3/16/8120347/inside-the-numbers-for-the-kansas-city-chiefs-grading-the-offensive

OL plays better. Pass offense can open up.

[Mile High Mania]

Alex Smith is a safe QB, his offenses don't turn the ball over, but that's about where the greatness stops.

Since 2009...
- his teams have never finished in the top 20 on pass attempts
- has only once finished in the top 22 passing yards category
- only twice has hit the top 15 finish in TDs

I'm not pointing that out to say it's all about flashy stats, but teams aren't winning because Alex Smith is the QB. He's not doing dumb things to make them lose, but he's not doing anything special to win. He didn't defeat those elite QBs, hell he wasn't even on the field when they were... that's a silly stat.

Smith has been around good RBs and defenses, but can't get teams over the hump because he doesn't have "it".

[BigCatDaddy]

Alex Smith is a safe QB, his offenses don't turn the ball over, but that's about where the greatness stops.

Since 2009...
- his teams have never finished in the top 20 on pass attempts
- has only once finished in the top 22 passing yards category
- only twice has hit the top 15 finish in TDs

I'm not pointing that out to say it's all about flashy stats, but teams aren't winning because Alex Smith is the QB. He's not doing dumb things to make them lose, but he's not doing anything special to win. He didn't defeat those elite QBs, hell he wasn't even on the field when they were... that's a silly stat.

Smith has been around good RBs and defenses, but can't get teams over the hump because he doesn't have "it".
Great post

[Just Passin' By]

Alex Smith is a safe QB, his offenses don't turn the ball over, but that's about where the greatness stops.

Since 2009...
- his teams have never finished in the top 20 on pass attempts
- has only once finished in the top 22 passing yards category
- only twice has hit the top 15 finish in TDs

I'm not pointing that out to say it's all about flashy stats, but teams aren't winning because Alex Smith is the QB. He's not doing dumb things to make them lose, but he's not doing anything special to win. He didn't defeat those elite QBs, hell he wasn't even on the field when they were... that's a silly stat.

Smith has been around good RBs and defenses, but can't get teams over the hump because he doesn't have "it".

Your analysis is unfair. Smith didn't get over the hump in 2011 because his team's usual return man missed the game, and the replacement messed up 2 easy plays. If the return man doesn't make those mistakes, Alex Smith is in the Super Bowl, and the 49ers are playing the Patriots for the Lombardi. His failure to get to the SB wasn't because he was missing "it", it was because Kyle Williams couldn't field the ball.

[Hammock Parties]

Since 2009...
- his teams have never finished in the top 20 on pass attempts
- has only once finished in the top 22 passing yards category
- only twice has hit the top 15 finish in TDs

Great post.

This is why people who say he's above average are hilarious.

[ViperVisor]

Alex Smith is a safe QB, his offenses don't turn the ball over, but that's about where the greatness stops.

Since 2009...
- his teams have never finished in the top 20 on pass attempts
- has only once finished in the top 22 passing yards category
- only twice has hit the top 15 finish in TDs

I'm not pointing that out to say it's all about flashy stats, but teams aren't winning because Alex Smith is the QB. He's not doing dumb things to make them lose, but he's not doing anything special to win. He didn't defeat those elite QBs, hell he wasn't even on the field when they were... that's a silly stat.

Smith has been around good RBs and defenses, but can't get teams over the hump because he doesn't have "it".

He's not a great QB or whatever adjective like "it"? Thanks for breaking that news.

But since 2009 rank the approx talent Pass Block+Pass Catching

What offense on do you look back and say 'man Smith really held back a good offense'?

Every season but half of 13 and 12 bad pass protection + this group of studs + coaches tending to play it safe.

http://i.imgur.com/mQk0jpN.png

How was he not putting up big numbers and TDs?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Your analysis is unfair. Smith didn't get over the hump in 2011 because his team's usual return man missed the game, and the replacement messed up 2 easy plays. If the return man doesn't make those mistakes, Alex Smith is in the Super Bowl, and the 49ers are playing the Patriots for the Lombardi. His failure to get to the SB wasn't because he was missing "it", it was because Kyle Williams couldn't field the ball.

I don't get it:

Tom Brady, and yet this boner of yours for shitty QB's like Cassel and Smith.

Do not understand.

Do not WANT to understand.

[Just Passin' By]

I don't get it:

Tom Brady, and yet this boner of yours for shitty QB's like Cassel and Smith.

Do not understand.

Do not WANT to understand.

You misunderstand my position on players like Cassel and A. Smith, that's all. That puts you in good company around here, I'm sure.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You misunderstand my position on players like Cassel and A. Smith, that's all. That puts you in good company around here, I'm sure.

Oh, I think I understand.....


http://www.janbrett.com/images/mobile_troll.jpg

[Just Passin' By]

Oh, I think I understand.....


http://www.janbrett.com/images/mobile_troll.jpg

No. I just try to see the difference in guys who need a little help/a fair amount of help/lots of help/a ****ing miracle. This board's largely become poisoned against all but those QBs who'd fall into the first category. The problem with taking such a position is that there are fewer than a handful of those QBs at any one time in the NFL.

[Sandy Vagina]

Your analysis is unfair. Smith didn't get over the hump in 2011 because his team's usual return man missed the game, and the replacement messed up 2 easy plays. If the return man doesn't make those mistakes, Alex Smith is in the Super Bowl, and the 49ers are playing the Patriots for the Lombardi. His failure to get to the SB wasn't because he was missing "it", it was because Kyle Williams couldn't field the ball.

.. and if Bowe keeps his 2nd foot in bounds, there is a different, more positive buzz about the QB that Smith is. It's really that simple. If Kyle Williams and Bowe each make a play expected of them, then Smith is seen in a much better light.

[chiefzilla1501]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/3/16/8120347/inside-the-numbers-for-the-kansas-city-chiefs-grading-the-offensive

OL plays better. Pass offense can open up.

It's a 2-way street. OL has to play much better. They weren't good last year.

But Smith has to spot the blitz pickup and the hot read. He can't keep double clutching because a guy isn't wide the fuck open. He has to open up the offense so the defense isn't crowding the short stuff. His OL end of 2013 was terrible too. PFF will chalk that up to magical blocking improvement, but I don't buy it. Smith's mentality during those games was completely different. The QB absolutely has ability to improve the protection in ways PFF can't see.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It's a 2-way street. OL has to play much better. They weren't good last year.

But Smith has to spot the blitz pickup and the hot read. He can't keep double clutching because a guy isn't wide the fuck open. He has to open up the offense so the defense isn't crowding the short stuff. His OL end of 2013 was terrible too. PFF will chalk that up to magical blocking improvement, but I don't buy it. Smith's mentality during those games was completely different. The QB absolutely has ability to improve the protection in ways PFF can't see.

If I see Smith step in and throw short and quick over the middle this year, I may literally shit myself in disbelief.

[RunKC]

Alex Smith is a safe QB, his offenses don't turn the ball over, but that's about where the greatness stops.

Since 2009...
- his teams have never finished in the top 20 on pass attempts
- has only once finished in the top 22 passing yards category
- only twice has hit the top 15 finish in TDs

I'm not pointing that out to say it's all about flashy stats, but teams aren't winning because Alex Smith is the QB. He's not doing dumb things to make them lose, but he's not doing anything special to win. He didn't defeat those elite QBs, hell he wasn't even on the field when they were... that's a silly stat.

Smith has been around good RBs and defenses, but can't get teams over the hump because he doesn't have "it".

Look at the surrounding talent. Alex is as good as his team, and his offense was never that great.

When Vernon Davis is your only legit passing weapon you're not going to have great stats or throw the ball that often.

Look at all the WR's he's played with since 2005. Bottom of the barrel for sure.

[ThaVirus]

The top 5 QBs of this 'generation' are Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger and Rodgers. Between them, they have 9 of the last 14 SB wins, and at least one of them has appeared in 12 of the last 14 SBs.


Finally, a post I can agree with.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I wish we had a Rapeliss.

He isn't always on, except when it's time to be on.

[New World Order]

Let's cut out all of the excuses. To the Smith supporters:

Rushing statistics indicate we were 10th in the league last year (pretty good), yet we were 25th in total offensive ppg.

How do you Alex fanboys defend this?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Let's cut out all of the excuses. To the Smith supporters:

Rushing statistics indicate we were 10th in the league last year (pretty good), yet we were 25th in total offensive ppg.

How do you Alex fanboys defend this?

Oline/receivers #infinity/ad-nauseum.

[Sandy Vagina]

Let's cut out all of the excuses. To the Smith supporters:

Rushing statistics indicate we were 10th in the league last year (pretty good), yet we were 25th in total offensive ppg.

How do you Alex fanboys defend this?

Dead last in defensive takeaways..
Chiefs' subpar wideouts led the league in drop %..

But mainly, a bottom 10 pass pro OL..


According to ESPN and TEAMRANKINGS, the Chiefs were 16th in offensive PPG.

Outsiders has KC at 12th best for PPD (points per drive).
They also have KC at 14th in pass rank.

You can call that bleh average all you want, but with a bottom 10 OL and bottom 10 WRs? That's not so bad.

[Just Passin' By]

Let's cut out all of the excuses. To the Smith supporters:

Rushing statistics indicate we were 10th in the league last year (pretty good), yet we were 25th in total offensive ppg.

How do you Alex fanboys defend this?



Scored 353 points (22.1/g), 16th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 281 points (17.6/g), 2nd.
Differential of 72 points (4.5/g), 9th.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/2014.htm

[Eleazar]

Geno Smiff

You can fill books with all the players he has been wrong about, and yet he's still here spouting

[ViperVisor]

The top 5 QBs of this 'generation' are Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger and Rodgers. Between them, they have 9 of the last 14 SB wins, and at least one of them has appeared in 12 of the last 14 SBs.

Roethlisberger is just below or in the same conversation with Philip Rivers and Tony Romo.

Those 2 guys have appeared in 0 SBs, 1 Conference game.

[Brock]

Roethlisberger is just below or in the same conversation with Philip Rivers and Tony Romo.

Those 2 guys have appeared in 0 SBs, 1 Conference game.

Then why would roethlisberger be in the same conversation with them?

[SAUTO]

Then why would roethlisberger be in the same conversation with them?

Because apparently every fan of the San Francisco 49ers is a fucking idiot

[ViperVisor]

Then why would roethlisberger be in the same conversation with them?

top 5 QBs of this 'generation'

Cherry pick Ben vs Romo or Rivers because it makes an argument better.

[SAUTO]

top 5 QBs of this 'generation'

Cherry pick Ben vs Romo or Rivers because it makes an argument better.

How do you keep breathing when you sleep?

[ViperVisor]

How do you keep breathing when you sleep?

Excellent retort.

[Sandy Vagina]

Excellent retort.

His name is knuckles, and he's a mechanic. You may need to define the word retort for him.. ;)

[Brock]

top 5 QBs of this 'generation'

Cherry pick Ben vs Romo or Rivers because it makes an argument better.

That makes no sense. Thanks.

[SAUTO]

His name is knuckles, and he's a mechanic. You may need to define the word retort for him.. ;)

actually my name is Jason. That should be obvious to any non window licker.

[Just Passin' By]

Roethlisberger is just below or in the same conversation with Philip Rivers and Tony Romo.

:LOL:LMAO

[BigCatDaddy]

Because apparently every fan of the San Francisco 49ers is a fucking idiot
LMAO
At least the ones that wondered over here anyways. I get the impression there were some smart posters on the 9er board these clowns clashed with.

[Discuss Thrower]

Dead last in defensive takeaways.. .

How is this relevant at all?


Three of the top four and seven of the top sixteen league leaders in takeaways didn't make the playoffs last season.

[BlackOp]

If Smith did what he did in the NO playoff game...he would be a KC legend. If half of the team didn't get injured in Indy...he would have won the first post season game since Montana.

I wonder what public opinion would be if KC had won that game.

I will say it again...there have been no QBs available since Reid took over.. that are better than Smith. People just want to bitch without realistically looking at the situation. It was a smart move on all levels. Last season was a major retooling of the roster and repairing the cap....and they paid the price. It had to be done though..

Next season is make or break for me...barring injuries, I think KC wins it's first PO game in two decades. I'm not a Smith homer...more pragmatic than that. I still would rather have him than Cutler, Dalton, Stafford, Newton, Bradford, Palmer etc....

[Just Passin' By]

How is this relevant at all?


Three of the top four and seven of the top sixteen league leaders in takeaways didn't make the playoffs last season.

:spock:

You don't see how an abysmal takeaway rate can (though isn't guaranteed to ) lead to fewer points?

[BlackOp]

How is this relevant at all?
.
That dropped INT was sure as shit relevant in the Raiders final drive...it's kind of amazing that KC allowed such few points but were terrible at turnovers. If that statistic changes even modestly..they are going to be a tough out.

[Discuss Thrower]

:spock:

You don't see how an abysmal takeaway rate can (though isn't guaranteed to ) lead to fewer points?

Takeaways are largely luck. Plain and simple.

[ViperVisor]

:spock:

You don't see how an abysmal takeaway rate can (though isn't guaranteed to ) lead to fewer points?

KC ranked 29th in plays per game

The pace of games last season was quick. The clock was usually ticking down.

Memphis Grizzlies scored less points a game than the Lakers. They slow the game down. It's a boring offense that fits their team and they grind out boring Wins with that style.

[Discuss Thrower]

That dropped INT was sure as shit relevant in the Raiders final drive...it's kind of amazing that KC allowed such few points but were terrible at turnovers. If that statistic changes even modestly..they are going to be a tough out.

Why did the Oakland game come down to a dropped INT?

Surely it had absolutely nothing to do with the Chiefs first eight drives ending with punts, right?

[Just Passin' By]

Takeaways are largely luck. Plain and simple.

You didn't answer the question, which isn't surprising, because the answer is so obvious. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

[BlackOp]

Why did the Oakland game come down to a dropped INT?

Surely it had absolutely nothing to do with the Chiefs first eight drives ending with punts, right?

or a torrential rainstorm the rendered KC's pass rush irrelevant? Did you forget the weather that day? KC's defense blew it on that long TD run...and Smith led them back to a lead. Is it just easier to forget that he had them in position to win the game?

[Hammock Parties]

or a torrential rainstorm the rendered KC's pass rush irrelevant? Did you forget the weather that day? KC's defense blew it on that long TD run...and Smith led them back to a lead. Is it just easier to forget that he had them in position to win the game?

He was complete shit in that game. Stop lying.

[BlackOp]

He was complete shit in that game. Stop lying.

Not in the second half...No QB is going to look good in that weather. The entire team was gassed and played a terrible game. That loss isn't on Smith..you want to blame a player..blame Parker.

[Hammock Parties]

Not in the second half...

LMAO

That's just it though, isn't it?

He plays a good first half against Indy...Chiefs lose the playoff game.

He plays a good second half against Oakland...Chiefs miss the playoffs.

He's a fuck up.

[BlackOp]

LMAO

That's just it though, isn't it?

He plays a good first half against Indy...Chiefs lose the playoff game.

He plays a good second half against Oakland...Chiefs miss the playoffs.

He's a **** up.

Whatever you do..dont blame the defense for either of those losses..it wouldn't fit your convoluted narrative.

[Hammock Parties]

Whatever you do..dont blame the defense for either of those losses..it wouldn't fit your convoluted narrative.

Sorry but it's 2015 in the NFL.

A QB should be able to put up more than 20 points against a pathetic Raiders team.

Instead he didn't because he was too busy shitting himself.

And he did the same thing next week against Arizona.

ASS11 is the reason we missed the playoffs.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

So, poor Alex doesn't get enough support and "breaks", then?

Boo-hoo.

[Discuss Thrower]

You didn't answer the question, which isn't surprising, because the answer is so obvious. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Because total takeaways don't matter because it's total luck.

What you can control is giveaways, and the top three leaders in giveaways made the conference finals last season. The Chiefs were the fourth in that list.

Giveaways are the critical component to turnover differential because -big shocker here- you have a lot more control over whether or not you cough the ball up on any given possession.

The Chiefs obviously are built to not turn the ball over and that's three and a half times more important than having a defense that's a leader in interceptions and fumbles (because, again, those are almost always a consequence of luck rather than player skill or correct coaching decisions).

[Discuss Thrower]

or a torrential rainstorm the rendered KC's pass rush irrelevant? Did you forget the weather that day? KC's defense blew it on that long TD run...and Smith led them back to a lead. Is it just easier to forget that he had them in position to win the game?

:facepalm:

[BlackOp]

Posts by the three worst posters in a row...I'll let someone else take the bait on this circle jerk...

[BlackOp]

You cant even have an objective discussion about the Chiefs at this place... the same people ruin every thread.

[Discuss Thrower]

Posts by the three worst posters in a row...I'll let someone else take the bait on this circle jerk...

I guess I should just be in awe of witnessing the first NFL game in history where the weather conditions affected the pursuit and tackling abilities of a defense but wasn't bad enough to stop a quarterback from completing 10 yard passes.

Also, if you have to resort to ad hominem to prove your point, then you really don't have a fucking point to defend then, do you?

[Just Passin' By]

Because total takeaways don't matter because it's total luck.

:facepalm:

They matter to the issue that was at hand, which was ppg,.

[Just Passin' By]

Let's get some data to try talking sensibly, not that such a thing is really possible here on this subject. Here's some stuff from PFR.com:

KC was 16th in scoring, not 25th as NWO claimed.
KC was 13th in drive scoring percentage
KC despite being a running/short passing team, had a time of possession that was less than its opponents
Even while using a running game and short passing attack, KC surrendered the 7th most sacks in the NFL (49), and had the 5th worst sack percentage
KC was 16th in rushing attempts, 28th in passing attempts, 29th in offensive plays per game and 17th in yards per play
KC was 29th in yards per game

The blame pie is certainly not just about one person or group.

[ViperVisor]

Only Smith can bring down the offense to have bad games.


Mike McGlynn doing his worst.
His fav Eric Fisher getting flagged 2 times.
A WR group that was down to Bowe and nothing. Frankie Hammond was out there for most the plays. Avant off the wavier wire stepped in the next week.
Weather has no effect.

And you mention the AZ game. Maybe the only time McGlynn was worse.

[Discuss Thrower]

:facepalm:

They matter to the issue that was at hand, which was ppg,.

If points per game is the problem, then the defense isn't forcing enough punts or failing to hold offenses to field goals when they cross midfield.

Now, you can think takeaways directly correlate to winning through having a sizable amount of interceptions in a season.. but surely that has nothing to do with late game situations where the opposing offense is forced to pass in order to make up 7+ points in a fourth quarter situation, right?

[Just Passin' By]

If points per game is the problem, then the defense isn't forcing enough punts or failing to hold offenses to field goals when they cross midfield.

Now, you can think takeaways directly correlate to winning through having a sizable amount of interceptions in a season.. but surely that has nothing to do with late game situations where the opposing offense is forced to pass in order to make up 7+ points in a fourth quarter situation, right?

Here's that thread trail:

Let's cut out all of the excuses. To the Smith supporters:

Rushing statistics indicate we were 10th in the league last year (pretty good), yet we were 25th in total offensive ppg.

How do you Alex fanboys defend this?

Dead last in defensive takeaways..
Chiefs' subpar wideouts led the league in drop %..

But mainly, a bottom 10 pass pro OL..


According to ESPN and TEAMRANKINGS, the Chiefs were 16th in offensive PPG.

Outsiders has KC at 12th best for PPD (points per drive).
They also have KC at 14th in pass rank.

You can call that bleh average all you want, but with a bottom 10 OL and bottom 10 WRs? That's not so bad.

Then you came in.

So, to sum up: One person was responding to a question about scoring (PPG, with the wrong PPG ranking), by citing some things that would have a tendency to limit scoring, and one of those is a lack of turnovers created.

Do us all a favor and read the threads, or at least read the thread trails you want to comment about, before you post.

[Discuss Thrower]

Here's that thread trail:





Then you came in.

So, to sum up: One person was responding to a question about scoring (PPG, with the wrong PPG ranking), by citing some things that would have a tendency to limit scoring, and one of those is a lack of turnovers created.

Do us all a favor and read the threads, or at least read the thread trails you want to comment about, before you post.

I'll do whatever I want.

And you've done nothing to disprove what I've pointed out was bullshit about sandy dumbass' leading assertion of why the Chiefs weren't successful (because he ignores the fact that an inferior offensive line would ultimately ruin a running game's metrics even though the numbers don't bear that out) largely because of the defense not getting takeaways.. which is a totally unpredictable, mostly random chance.


In short, the Chiefs' were poor offensively because of the defense being unlucky.

And, even if turnovers were less than 50% luck driven, if the defense is allowing fewer than 18 points a game, is it really necessary that they are also leading in turnovers?

[Just Passin' By]

I'll do whatever I want.

And you've done nothing to disprove what I've pointed out was bullshit about sandy dumbass' leading assertion of why the Chiefs weren't successful (because he ignores the fact that an inferior offensive line would ultimately ruin a running game's metrics even though the numbers don't bear that out) largely because of the defense not getting takeaways.. which is a totally unpredictable, mostly random chance.


In short, the Chiefs' were poor offensively because of the defense being unlucky.

And, even if turnovers were less than 50% luck driven, if the defense is allowing fewer than 18 points a game, is it really necessary that they are also leading in turnovers?

Ok, once again it's all about you demonstrating that you're a complete idiot. Congrats! You've done it.

[Brock]

You cant even have an objective discussion about the Chiefs at this place... the same people ruin every thread.

How can anyone who doesn't understand the importance of a franchise qb complain about objectivity?

[Mile High Mania]

Your analysis is unfair. Smith didn't get over the hump in 2011 because his team's usual return man missed the game, and the replacement messed up 2 easy plays. If the return man doesn't make those mistakes, Alex Smith is in the Super Bowl, and the 49ers are playing the Patriots for the Lombardi. His failure to get to the SB wasn't because he was missing "it", it was because Kyle Williams couldn't field the ball.

In 2011, that team was 31st in pass attempts - 29th in passing yds - 24th in passing TDs. I'm sure it was someone else's fault because they weren't counting on Alex to do anything other than not turn it over, where they ranked 1st in the league.

[Just Passin' By]

In 2011, that team was 31st in pass attempts - 29th in passing yds - 24th in passing TDs. I'm sure it was someone else's fault because they weren't counting on Alex to do anything other than not turn it over, where they ranked 1st in the league.

Now you're moving the goalposts.

2001 Patriots:

8th in rushing attempts
24th in passing attempts


2005 Steelers:

1st in rushing attempts
32nd in passing attempts

[Discuss Thrower]

Ok, once again it's all about you demonstrating that you're a complete idiot. Congrats! You've done it.

Tapout acknowledged. Thanks for playing, jackass.

[BlackOp]

How can anyone who doesn't understand the importance of a franchise qb complain about objectivity?

Objective enough to know there are realistically maybe 7 QB's that fit that definition....and honest enough to know that none have been available since Reid took over a 2-14 team. There hasn't even been a QB worth moving up in the draft for...

I've stated that since KC's roster is looking pretty well rounded...that they might actually look to drafting one (highly) next year. Even if you hate Smith..his presence will allow them to develop QBs the way they need to be developed.

Without Smith...KC is essentially the Bills or Texans.

With Kelce being moved to a starting role...I'm optimistic in seeing Smith play with the best set of skill positions he's had in his career. He's not Brady..he needs talent around him...but he's not pure shit either.

[Mile High Mania]

Now you're moving the goalposts.

2001 Patriots:

8th in rushing attempts
24th in passing attempts


2005 Steelers:

1st in rushing attempts
32nd in passing attempts

Difference being elite and multiple rings.

[Just Passin' By]

Difference being elite and multiple rings.

Neither Brady nor Roethlisberger was considered elite when they won their first Super Bowls, and they obviously didn't have multiple rings at the time. You're using a hindsight argument to buttress an unfair position.

Also, I didn't claim that he was elite, because he's not. I simply stated that your analysis was unfair, because the failure to get his team "over the hump" in 2011 was not on him. He didn't do much in that game, but he did enough for his team to win, if not for Williams' mistakes.

[ViperVisor]

In 2011, that team was 31st in pass attempts - 29th in passing yds - 24th in passing TDs. I'm sure it was someone else's fault because they weren't counting on Alex to do anything other than not turn it over, where they ranked 1st in the league.

49ers had 188 2nd half passes compared to 261 in 1st half. Coach played it safe.

Harbaugh and Co. and front office after years should be questioned for the lack of a passing game.

O-Line always hulks who other than LT were never good pass blockers.

Vernon Davis 26 TDs previous 4 years. 26 last 4.
Frank Gore stops catching passes.
Crabtree is meh
AJJ pick was bad.
Braylon Edwards signed and dropped in 1 season.
Bring in cast offs Moss and Manningham
Drafted a 2nd TE who has done nothing
Stevie Johnson *he was actually a nice #3 and was under utilized
Brandon Lloyd reunion *actually might of won that KC game with a catch

What has saved them is the absolute gift of Boldin for a 7th round pick.

There is no consistent thread.
Take an Andy Reid team. You know what he likes to do and that's what has played out despite having to deal with something other than All-Pros.

[smith11]

If I see Smith step in and throw short and quick over the middle this year, I may literally shit myself in disbelief.

i am sure you will shit yourself no matter what happens this season

[MMXcalibur]

I've only read the last handful of posts and if there's one thing I will take away from this it's that I thank fucking Christ I don't need to hear the name Mike McGlynn ever again...

[TLO]

He was complete shit in that game. Stop lying.

You will pay me $1000 if Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl this year.

If he doesn't, I pay you $25.

Do you accept my terms and conditions?

[Brock]

Objective enough to know there are realistically maybe 7 QB's that fit that definition....and honest enough to know that none have been available since Reid took over a 2-14 team. There hasn't even been a QB worth moving up in the draft for...

I've stated that since KC's roster is looking pretty well rounded...that they might actually look to drafting one (highly) next year. Even if you hate Smith..his presence will allow them to develop QBs the way they need to be developed.

Without Smith...KC is essentially the Bills or Texans.

With Kelce being moved to a starting role...I'm optimistic in seeing Smith play with the best set of skill positions he's had in his career. He's not Brady..he needs talent around him...but he's not pure shit either.

I Have never felt he was pure shit. He's also not the guy to take your team beyond respectability. KC isn't head and shoulders better than buffalo or houston with smith either. You can't get a better illustration of that fact than last year's standings. Maybe they will be now that the bills are infected with Matt cassel, but they haven't been to this point.

[BlackOp]

I Have never felt he was pure shit. He's also not the guy to take your team beyond respectability.

Smith is a bit of an enigma...we all know his career path and how dysfunctional the 49er's were early on. Once there was stability...he showed promise. It's interesting how divisive he is among fans.

He could easily be 3-0 in the playoffs...and appeared in a SB. He has a 10 TD to 0 INT playoff clip. He looked great..rallying his team against the Saints. He put up one the best statistical performances in PO history against the Colts. He was the highest rated QB when he was benched. He's had a lot of strange shit happen to him...which was out of his control. He didn't drop two punts or cause 6 injuries. I think he gets blamed for things that arent his fault. He has had his teams in a position to win in all 3 playoff games...that's a good sign. All the above is why I'm optimistic....He's not Brady...but he's not Dalton either. He is the best option that's been available since Reid took over...and KC is competitive again. Unlike any KC QB since Montana..he has ACTUALLY won a Playoff game..

If he doesn't produce this year...with the best roster of his career...THEN I will be critical of him. Both KC's starting WRs are gone...because they sucked in this offense.

[BossChief]

You will pay me $1000 if Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl this year.

If he doesn't, I pay you $25.

Do you accept my terms and conditions?

He already bet me that Alex would NEVER win another playoff game.

If he does, Clay buys me 2 tickets to the next playoff game.

If he retires without ever winning another playoff game, I buy him a pair of Chiefs tickets the next year.

[Mile High Mania]

I think the bottom line is this --- more often than not, you need a top QB to be consistently in the playoff race and win in the playoffs. You can point to a handful of games and say 'he' beat those other QBs if you like, but in the end, he hasn't proven to be the guy that can take the team to victory when push comes to shove. A great ground game and a great defense can get you so far.... at some point, you need the QB to do something. And, that QB will need a few legit targets.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Are we still discussing Smith's cautious vagina up in here?

Carry on.

[Stargazer]

Alex has been on teams that have won slightly impressive regular season games. Alex Smith has won 1 playoff game in a 10 year career.

[Rausch]

Alex has been on teams that have won slightly impressive regular season games. Alex Smith has won 1 playoff game in a 10 year career.

He's the real deal...