Dontari Poe will miss camp due to back injury

[RunKC]

@DannyParkins: Dontari Poe will miss training camp. #Chiefs

@ChiefsReporter: Dontari Poe will be resting until after #ChiefsCamp. Won't participate in team practices.

@pgsween: #Chiefs DT Dontari Poe had a herniated disk in his back and had successful surgery on July 15. He is doing great & will be up to camp Fri.

[The Franchise]

Get healthy. We don't need him in camp.

[KurtCobain]

The whole fucking thing? Just like that?

[KurtCobain]

Get healthy. We don't need him in camp.

I feel like if it heals up with a week or so left of camp, you get him reps.

[RealSNR]

Gonna be a lot harder to win the preseason Super Bowl without him :(

[the Talking Can]

and fuck

[kcxiv]

good, less wear and tear on him. he might start a little slow, but thats ok. as long as he's full bore down the stretch. He plays way to many plays during a game as it is.

[Chromatic]

4-12

[O.city]

Back injuries foe big men aren't good news.

[Strongside]

Just heard that. He'll be aight.

[Mr. Laz]

He's been playing too dam much anyway.


This forces Sutton to get used to playing without him.

[penbrook]

Looks like Berry might have a chance to play this year. Reid said Berry is in great shape and is undergoing a physical in KC. Will provide a update tommorow

[nychief]

good, less wear and tear on him. he might start a little slow, but thats ok. as long as he's full bore down the stretch.



Um. this is a career shortening injury. Big guys with bad backs... don't mix. He is going to weigh 500 lbs after sitting on his ass all summer. We won't see him till midseason, and even then, we have no idea what we'll get.

[O.city]

Yeah they seemed pretty upbeat about berry

[ptlyon]

It's happening. Gif

[RealSNR]

He's been playing too dam much anyway.


This forces Sutton to get used to playing without him.

Agreed.

It's almost like the Chiefs haven't even tried to get the big man rest. They're smarter than that.

Make it happen.

[Strongside]

Yeah I was about to say...Reid made it sound like Berry is in great shape even coming out of treatment...he's doing physicals and they're hopeful he's ready to go soon but don't want to give anything away until his physicals are over. If he's back this early that kid is superman. That's incredible and an absolute inspiration.

[The Franchise]

I wonder who will get reps at NT.

Put DeVito there. We really need to get the Big Cat some playing time. Can't get 20 sacks without getting some reps first.

[O.city]

I know injuries happen, but fuck it seems like our best players keep getting fucked up..

Because chiefs I guess

[penbrook]

I wonder who will get reps at NT.

Put DeVito there. We really need to get the Big Cat some playing time. Can't get 20 sacks without getting some reps first.

Reid said Howard is taking reps

[Chiefspants]

Looks like Berry might have a chance to play this year. Reid said Berry is in great shape and is undergoing a physical in KC. Will provide a update tommorow

Fantastic.

[Strongside]

Chiefs will know about Berry within the next 24 hours. Having tests done WITH THE TEAM.

That's incredible.

Per 610.

[Chiefnj2]

I wonder how he hurt himself.

[Mr. Laz]

Agreed.

It's almost like the Chiefs haven't even tried to get the big man rest. They're smarter than that.

Make it happen.
This could a good thing as long as this back issue doesn't linger.


We have to find a viable rotation to give Poe a break.

[Skyy God]

Recovery time for laminectomies/discectomies is way longer than 6 weeks.

[Mr. Laz]

I would question why wasn't the surgery done earlier though.

[kcchiefsus]

Rotoworld makes it sound like he could miss the whole season.

[Bugeater]

I would question why wasn't the surgery done earlier though.

And that would be a fair question

[Dante84]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7422/dontari-poe

Chiefs NT Dontari Poe is recovering from back surgery to repair a herniated disk, and is out indefinitely.

It's possible Poe misses the entire regular season. He won't participate in camp. Per coach Andy Reid, there's a "reasonable chance" Poe returns at the "end of the season." Poe was a slow developer, but has come on as one of the league's premier nose tackles. His loss is a massive blow for a run defense that was one of the league's worst in 2014, and doesn't know what it will get from Mike DeVito and Derrick Johnson as they recover from Achilles' injuries. Poe has missed just one game in three NFL seasons. Jaye Howard is the next man up on the depth chart. Jul 28 - 4:24 PM
Source: BJ Kissel on Twitter

That has to be a typo, right??

[KCUnited]

That escalated quickly.

[O.city]

Yeah they pretty much completely butchered that up.

[Strongside]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7422/dontari-poe



That has to be a typo, right??

That is a typo. He clearly said early in the season, if not the first game. They misheard.

[penbrook]

They went off of what Terez Paylor tweeted. He meant to say the end of pre season

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If he only misses camp after having surgery for a herniated disc in the midle of July it will be a miracle.

[O.city]

Reid said they're thinking hell be back by early season, whatever that is

[ptlyon]

Rub some dirt on it

[DJ's left nut]

Oh shit.

Umm....a herniated disc? Yeah, that's really REALLY not good. Big guys with back issues never really shake them. He'll feel a slight knot back there, possibly for the rest of his life. And if he gets turned in just the wrong direction, that wall that is supposed to hold the disc in (which is now compromised) won't, the disc will bulge and the spine will pinch on it. At that point he ends up with shooting pain somewhere in his body (depending on which disc) and usually the muscles around the area bunch up incredibly tight and won't release so now that all hurts like hell as well.

This is really REALLY shitty news.

This is the kind of thing that will linger and could significantly impact his career going forward.

[ModSocks]

Not a good start to camp. Im not TOO worried, as i think we have good DL depth. The Berry news is interesting.

[Chiefnj2]

3 month minimum recovery.

[KC native]

WE'REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Rain Man]

I'm so mad about this that I'm going to neg rep everyone in the thread just because they were standing nearby when I heard the news.

A herniated disc is bad news.

[MMXcalibur]

http://images.rapgenius.com/f5d65654d35341967df73dcf50e9ec5b.468x360x55.gif

[the Talking Can]

bad backs and big guys can't be good news...and he still hasn't got his fat payday yet

[Titty Meat]

He's been playing too dam much anyway.


This forces Sutton to get used to playing without him.

Give it a break

[Titty Meat]

Looks like Berry might have a chance to play this year. Reid said Berry is in great shape and is undergoing a physical in KC. Will provide a update tommorow

I saw Berry last night. No way he's playing this year.

[kysirsoze]

Zobrist. Yay! Poe. No!! Berry. Yay!!!

Quite a sports day.

[Hammock Parties]

LOL...see, always something with this franchise.

This will contribute to our 0-3 start.

[ModSocks]

I just read that Chiefs' new rookie receiver Kenny Cook battled Lymphoma and came out on the winning end.

[mcaj22]

NFL lineman and bad backs is like 7 foot centers in the NBA and bad feet.

[ModSocks]

Sounds like we're officially writing him off as damaged goods.

"throw him back in the pile, he's a blem"

[DJ's left nut]

This could a good thing as long as this back issue doesn't linger.


That's pretty much a non-starter.

A disc issue will linger. It's not likely to ever really fully recover. The only thing he can do is strengthen around the disc so much that it's never really put under the same amount of stress it once was. The problem is that even that sort of training may aggravate it.

A disc injury is really really bad news.

[Mr. Laz]

3 month minimum recovery.

ummmm ... no

regular people can often return to limited work in less than a week (i did)


of course football players are different and can't return under "limits" but they also heal faster and have superior medical care


depends what all was done in the surgery as well

[Chiefnj2]

NEW YORK – Professional football players, even those in the most physically punishing positions, can undergo back surgery and return to the gridiron, researchers at Northwestern University's Feinberg School of Medicine report in the American Journal of Sports Medicine.

"They aren't broken, they aren't more fragile after surgery," orthopedic surgeon and lead author Dr. Joseph K. Weistroffer told Reuters Health. "Four out of five who have surgery not only return to play, they return to starter positions."

Weistroffer and colleagues decided to look into how often National Football League linemen returned to play following surgery for a herniated disk after hearing a broadcaster declare a player "broken" and unlikely to play again after surgery.

Linemen tend to be the biggest, heaviest players on the team. Their responsibilities require a lot of crouching, twisting and pummeling on the field, putting tremendous stress on their backs.

Herniated disk - sometimes called a "slipped disk" occurs when soft cushioning disks between spinal vertebrae become displaced. The leaking disc material pressing on spinal nerves can produce intense back pain and numbness or tingling in arms or legs.

Among college football players, 15 percent to 50 percent of linemen suffer lower-back disk injuries including herniations.


To see how well elite NFL players fare, the researchers gathered information about linemen on team rosters between 1982 and 2009 from various sources including press reports, team injury reports, newspaper archives, team records and individual players' profiles. Only those NFL linemen diagnosed with a herniated disk in at least two independent sources and one official league injury report were included.

Of the 66 players included in the study, 14 were treated non-surgically and 52 treated with surgery. Of those treated surgically, 42 (81 percent) returned to play in at least one game, although most played an average of 33 games over 3 years.

The success of surgical treatment in NFL linemen was "significantly better than we expected," the authors write.

"What's remarkable is that many of these players not only returned to play, they returned to starter positions," Weistroffer said.

Of the players treated with surgery, 36 had been starters before their herniated disk diagnosis and 33 of them returned to that status after surgery.

In contrast, only four of the 14 players treated non-surgically returned to play. Weistroffer cautions against reading any significance into that fact. "The numbers are too small to draw conclusions from," he said.

Nonsurgical treatment for herniated disk usually includes muscle relaxers, pain killers and anti-inflammatory medications, and may involve cold compresses applied several times a day.
Surgery to open the back, clean out leaked disc material and stabilize the spine is a treatment of last resort, Weistroffer said.

"No surgery is the best option for everyone, including elite athletes," he said. "But if a herniated disc doesn't heal naturally, surgery may be an option" without branding a lineman as damaged for good.

The results of this study, the authors point out, cannot be generalized to the population at large.

Elite athletes have strong incentives to return to play including in some cases multi-million dollar contracts. In addition, elite athletes have significant resources available to help in rehab including "focused, well-trained professional staff dedicated to strength and conditioning."

Nevertheless, "if a NFL lineman can return to full activities, the average Joe has a good chance to get back on with their life if they don't heal naturally and decide to turn to surgery," Weistroffer said.

[Titty Meat]

Sounds like we're officially writing him off as damaged goods.

"throw him back in the pile, he's a blem"

At least they won't have to pay him Suh money now

[saphojunkie]

Pretty sure that means preseason.

[Rasputin]

It took me a long time to recover from my back surgery but after five years doing much better. Best wishes Poe.

[O.city]

I bet he's back game 1

[saphojunkie]

LOL...see, always something with this franchise.

This will contribute to our 0-3 start.

:facepalm:

[ModSocks]

I saw Berry last night. No way he's playing this year.

You saw him how? Where?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The Chiefs had this done just so he won't earn a huge payday. next year.

#2 ) I've lived with a herniated disc for some 30 years and still work every day. What a puss.

[saphojunkie]

The Chiefs had this done just so he won't earn a huge payday. next year.

#2 ) I've lived with a herniated disc for some 30 years and still work every day. What a puss.

What the hot fuck are you talking about.

[Hammock Parties]

But seriously.

http://i.imgur.com/guY8ebH.jpg

[RunKC]

John Dorsey needs to get Red Bryant on the phone ASAP. Bryant is 328 lbs and has been an above average run stuffer per PFF with 4 sacks in the last 2 years playing in Seattle and Jacksonville.

I'm not trusting a 300 lb Jaye Howard or a guy who is coming back from an achilles injury to fill in at NT.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Lol at the CP doctors

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Is that big ass Rakeem dude worth a shit?

[thabear04]

John Dorsey needs to get Red Bryant on the phone ASAP. Bryant is 328 lbs and has been an above average run stuffer per PFF with 4 sacks in the last 2 years playing in Seattle and Jacksonville.

I'm not trusting a 300 lb Jaye Howard or a guy who is coming back from an achilles injury to fill in at NT.

Or trust DT Rakeem Nunez-Roches.

[penbrook]

We're not even a day into training camp and it's already full meltdown mode. This is gonna be a long season CP

[RunKC]

We're not even a day into training camp and it's already full meltdown mode. This is gonna be a long season CP

Not like Dontari Poe is the most important player on our defense and guys like him are easy to find.

[The Franchise]

We're not even a day into training camp and it's already full meltdown mode. This is gonna be a long season CP

Link?

[penbrook]

Not like Dontari Poe is the most important player on our defense and guys like him are easy to find.

Justin Houston says hi

[RunKC]

Justin Houston says hi

There are lots of good pass rushers in the NFL.

There only like 5 guys who can do what Poe does.

[Bwana]

You saw him how? Where?

My guess would be in Best Buy. :thumb:

[Mr. Laz]

Red Bryant

[The Franchise]

Red Bryant

We've got some cap space now.

[Mr. Laz]

We've got some cap space now.

better to grab him now and not need him then to end up without options later


he can play the run

[BigMeatballDave]

LOL...see, always something with this franchise.

This will contribute to our 0-3 start.

LMAO Really? WTF does this have to do with the 'franchise'?

Well, other than lousy luck.

Are you struggling with your sexuality, Bruce?

[Quesadilla Joe]

Poe is smart, put off the surgery until the last minute so you don't have to go to Training Camp.

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO Really? WTF does this have to do with the 'franchise'?


Well, the franchise continues to rely on mediocre QBs.

When you do that, losing your NT for a significant chunk of time has a greater impact.

Now the D is going to be worse...we'll give up more points...we have a mediocre QB behind a bad line trying to play catch up against Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers in the first 3 weeks...

I'm sure everything will work out just fine though.

Just for once I'd like to go into a season thinking "well that sucks but we have a badass QB and I'm sure he can carry the team through this."

[Tribal Warfare]

@DannyParkins: Dontari Poe will miss training camp. #Chiefs

@ChiefsReporter: Dontari Poe will be resting until after #ChiefsCamp. Won't participate in team practices.

@pgsween: #Chiefs DT Dontari Poe had a herniated disk in his back and had successful surgery on July 15. He is doing great & will be up to camp Fri.

At least it isn't all doom and gloom like the Clowney situation

[New World Order]

They don't sound optimistic he will be back early in the season.

I'm worried.

[Titty Meat]

You saw him how? Where?

He was at my friends juicery last night

[Rausch]

Didn't fatty McGlockton have surgery and only miss like 4-6 weeks while he was with us? And that was like 15 years ago...

[Hammock Parties]

You needn't worry though. When Poe misses half the season, his return in 2016 will be a huge reason for all the "Chiefs to the Super Bowl" predictions!

That and the "Alex and Maclin have a year together in the system now, they will explode in 2016" reason.

[Tribal Warfare]

Didn't fatty McGlockton have surgery and only miss like 4-6 weeks while he was with us? And that was like 15 years ago...

Poe is a young guy too so recovery shouldn't be as drastic and his play shouldn't slip either.

[notorious]

We were going to go 1-3 to start anyway.

This doesn't change that.

[Tribal Warfare]

We were going to go 1-3 to start anyway.

This doesn't change that.

I'm personally looking beyond this season for reasons that have been said ad nauseum.

[notorious]

I'm personally looking beyond this season for reasons that have been said ad nauseum.

Now this is a reason to be concerned.


I agree with Knowmo. It's just an excuse for Poe to miss training camp.

[Hammock Parties]

It's just an excuse for Poe to miss training camp.

Because that's usually a GREAT idea for a guy who's game is build on stamina and is about to play 1,000 snaps.

[notorious]

Because that's usually a GREAT idea for a guy who's game is build on stamina and is about to play 1,000 snaps.

He shouldn't be about to play 1000 snaps if our DC would pull his head out.


It's crazy how little our line gets rest.

[mdchiefsfan]

The Chiefs had this done just so he won't earn a huge payday. next year.

#2 ) I've lived with a herniated disc for some 30 years and still work every day. What a puss.

I would hate to see what, in your line of work, slipped your disc.

[thabear04]

He shouldn't be about to play 1000 snaps if our DC would pull his head out.


It's crazy how little our line gets rest.

Yeah we need another good NT besides Poe. Do we have to wait another 10 years.

[staylor26]

We were going to go 1-3 to start anyway.

This doesn't change that.

This is beyond fucking stupid

[Chronic]

If this team falls behind and has to rely on Alex Smiff we are doomed... This OL is bad.. losing Hudson at center hurt and Fisher sucks.. look at him get beat like a drum by a rookie

https://vine.co/v/O16DrtbD9BO

[Rausch]

This is beyond ****ing stupid

It's not stupid to think we'll start slow with a hard schedule.

We started slow last year and it wasn't all that hard a schedule...

[KCrockaholic]

It's not stupid to think we'll start slow with a hard schedule.

We started slow last year and it wasn't all that hard a schedule...

Start slow, start fast, whatever. Every year is different. What we did last year during certain times of the year has no effect on anything that'll happen this year.

[mdchiefsfan]

If this team falls behind and has to rely on Alex Smiff we are doomed... This OL is bad.. losing Hudson at center hurt and Fisher sucks.. look at him get beat like a drum by a rookie

https://vine.co/v/O16DrtbD9BO

Try harder

[RunKC]

It's not stupid to think we'll start slow with a hard schedule.

We started slow last year and it wasn't all that hard a schedule...

Last year was an anomaly in week 1. No Bowe, no DAT, no Wilson, lose Allen/DJ/DeVito in the same game and we didn't have depth. Still weren't sure about Kelce's knee to rush him into a ton of plays as well.

Losing Poe sucks but it's not the end of the world.

I would expect us to either sign someone or play with an alignment with Bailey/DeVito/Howard.

This team at least has some depth to push out there instead of street players like McGlynn and Harris.

[Rausch]

Start slow, start fast, whatever. Every year is different. What we did last year during certain times of the year has no effect on anything that'll happen this year.

My guess is we'll start off 2-2 or 1-3 but finish strong. The last 6 weeks we could easily go 5-1.

I'd say 10-6 and a wild card but wouldn't be shocked if it was a painful first four weeks...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

If this team falls behind and has to rely on Alex Smiff we are doomed... This OL is bad.. losing Hudson at center hurt and Fisher sucks.. look at him get beat like a drum by a rookie

https://vine.co/v/O16DrtbD9BO

Faider trash

[KCrockaholic]

My guess is we'll start off 2-2 or 1-3 but finish strong. The last 6 weeks we could easily go 5-1.

I'd say 10-6 and a wild card but wouldn't be shocked if it was a painful first four weeks...

Houston and Denver are both winnable games. Having Denver in KC on Thursday gives homefield a huge advantage. Remember the Oakland game we lost last year on a short week?

GB is a loss, unfortunately.

The Bengals are always beatable, although they're a talented team... But, we'll have Sean Smith back in time to face AJ Green. Hopefully he's not rusty.

Bears, Vikings, Steelers are all winnable games. Should win 2 of 3.

Lions game is up in the air, could go either way.

Then after the Bye we lose to Denver, but we can follow up winning 2 or 3 of the next 4 vs @SD, Buf, @Oak, SD at home.

Then the last 3 we are capable of winning 2 of 3, @Bal, CLE, OAK.

The fact is, this is a talented as hell Chiefs team. We'll put up decent points, and the defense has potential to be top 5 if the secondary holds up.

[mcaj22]

Houston and Denver are both winnable games. Having Denver in KC on Thursday gives homefield a huge advantage. Remember the Oakland game we lost last year on a short week?

GB is a loss, unfortunately.

The Bengals are always beatable, although they're a talented team... But, we'll have Sean Smith back in time to face AJ Green. Hopefully he's not rusty.

Bears, Vikings, Steelers are all winnable games. Should win 2 of 3.

Lions game is up in the air, could go either way.

Then after the Bye we lose to Denver, but we can follow up winning 2 or 3 of the next 4 vs @SD, Buf, @Oak, SD at home.

Then the last 3 we are capable of winning 2 of 3, @Bal, CLE, OAK.

The fact is, this is a talented as hell Chiefs team. We'll put up decent points, and the defense has potential to be top 5 if the secondary holds up.


You mean if the Front Seven holds up, secondary isn't the problem.

[notorious]

This is beyond ****ing stupid

By all means, explain to me HOW we aren't going to start 1-3.


Try to make me laugh as much as possible.

[Mr. Laz]

You mean if the Front Seven holds up, secondary isn't the problem.

playing some new guys this year, we don't really know what we have yet

[KCrockaholic]

You mean if the Front Seven holds up, secondary isn't the problem.

Absolutely it is.

The LB group is the best in the league with DJ back.

The DL with Poe playing the majority of the season next to Bailey is solid. Devito is ok.

In the secondary we're asking 2 unproven CB's to step up for Sean Smith. Marcus Peters might get beat around at first. We don't know yet. But how often does a rookie CB come in and dominate from day one? It rarely ever happens. The safeties are fairly average, hopefully Tyvon Branch stays healthy for once.

[ThaVirus]

The defense is going to take a step back this season. Might as well be prepared for it...

[KCrockaholic]

The defense is going to take a step back this season. Might as well be prepared for it...

I could see lateral movement. But how do they take a step back? We saw the effect DJ left and Mauga came in and was trash. Now, hopefully Mauga isn't on the field as much. Addition by subtraction right there.

[Chronic]

Faider trash

Duuuuuuuuuuude

Why ya gotta be a meatball all the time?

[ThaVirus]

I could see lateral movement. But how do they take a step back? We saw the effect DJ left and Mauga came in and was trash. Now, hopefully Mauga isn't on the field as much. Addition by subtraction right there.


I'm of the opinion that they overachieved last season.

[KCrockaholic]

I'm of the opinion that they overachieved last season.

Overachieved yet finished dead last in takeaways? That won't happen again.

[staylor26]

I'm of the opinion that they overachieved last season.

Bullshit. You don't keep every team under 30 pts and not allow a 300 yard passer over the course of an entire season by overachieving. This defense has a shit load of talent and a very good scheme that fits to that talent.

[ThaVirus]

Bullshit. You don't keep every team under 30 pts and not allow a 300 yard passer by overachieving. This defense has a shit load of talent and a very good scheme that fits to that talent.


They were dealing with some pretty serious patch working at times. Two ILBs (Mauga and JMJ), a CB (Fleming), a S (Parker), and a DE (Howard) who ended up getting significant playing time when they weren't expected to.

Your whole premise depends on everyone playing as well as they did last season when some are almost guaranteed to regress. Houston will likely still be great but I'd actually be amazed if he recorded 18 sacks this season. Sean Smith, who had a borderline All-Pro level season, will be out for almost a quarter of the season and he can't read rivalry be expected to perform as well as he did last season anyway.

[Chronic]

Poe was great at times but he did get pushed around a lot last year.. Look at Austin Frekin Howard a backup guard push the big fella around

https://vine.co/v/OJD7PlLbWzK

[KCrockaholic]

They were dealing with some pretty serious patch working at times. Two ILBs (Mauga and JMJ), a CB (Fleming), a S (Parker), and a DE (Howard) who ended up getting significant playing time when they weren't expected to.

Your whole premise depends on everyone playing as well as they did last season when some are almost guaranteed to regress. Houston will likely still be great but I'd actually be amazed if he recorded 18 sacks this season. Sean Smith, who had a borderline All-Pro level season, will be out for almost a quarter of the season and he can't read rivalry be expected to perform as well as he did last season anyway.

Why so pessimistic? You say some will regress yet won't mention how some will progress... Not to mention as I said, this defense was dead last in takeaways. They had terrible luck last season in getting the ball back for the offense.

Ok, so Sean Smith regresses. Houston only has 16 sacks. Poe misses 3 games.

Yet we're improving the #2 CB. Safety depth improves. ILB improves. Bailey continues to progress.

And you ignore those points? Think about everything, not just the negative things.

[TEX]

And so it begins...

[stevieray]

And so it begins...

:hmmm:

[Brock]

Good. If he's going to play on 89 percent of the defensive snaps again he needs to rest.

[ThaVirus]

Why so pessimistic? You say some will regress yet won't mention how some will progress... Not to mention as I said, this defense was dead last in takeaways. They had terrible luck last season in getting the ball back for the offense.



Ok, so Sean Smith regresses. Houston only has 16 sacks. Poe misses 3 games.



Yet we're improving the #2 CB. Safety depth improves. ILB improves. Bailey continues to progress.



And you ignore those points? Think about everything, not just the negative things.


Because I'm pretty sure most of these guys overachieved. We had a bunch of role players and cast-offs play out of their minds for most of the season.

You have to go into this season fully expecting our three best defenders in Houston, Poe and Smith to regress. Our returning ILB is 33 coming off of an Achilles tear. Tampa Hali is another year older and likely less effective.

Outside of those guys, aside from Bailey and Abdullah who are solid, our defense is full of a bunch of unprovens. Are Ron Parker and Jaye Howard as good as they showed last season? Can Branch last a full 16 game season? Will Devito be effective? Peters, Fleming, Gaines, Catapano and Ford are pretty much brand new to the league.

I'm hoping we can post top 10-ish numbers in PPG allowed but I think top 3 two years in a row with so many possible issues is a bit much.

[ThaVirus]

We've got a ton of talent but rarely in my time as a Chiefs fan have things just fallen into place.

[xztop123]

I thought DeVito was penciled in as a NT on the depth chart?

Poe was def overused but he must have injured his back working out in the off season.

[Rausch]

You have to go into this season fully expecting our three best defenders in Houston, Poe and Smith to regress.

Why would we expect that? They're all young. Houston only getting 16 sacks doesn't mean he regressed - it means he didn't have the fantasy numbers he did the year before.

There's no reason to expect him to be any less effective rushing the passer...

[TEX]

I bet he's back game 1

I doubt it. I had the same condition and operation when I was 27. Took me about 2.5 months to fully recover. Its much harder on the big guys, and when you consider his line of work, Id bet there is no way he's ready week 1.

[Rausch]

I doubt it. I had the same condition and operation when I was 27. Took me about 2.5 months to fully recover. Its much harder on the big guys, and when you consider his line of work, Id bet there is no way he's ready week 1.

I'm no doc but back/neck surgery has progressed greatly in just 10 years. Often you leave with a small scar about an inch...

[ThaVirus]

Why would we expect that? They're all young. Houston only getting 16 sacks doesn't mean he regressed - it means he didn't have the fantasy numbers he did the year before.



There's no reason to expect him to be any less effective rushing the passer...


Because they all had career years.

You can go in expecting them to keep ascending (and you'd have a good case with Houston given his career arc), but that'll have you in line for a serious letdown.

FTR, I'm saying their production will likely regress, not that they'll be worse players for some reason.

[Brock]

I doubt it. I had the same condition and operation when I was 27. Took me about 2.5 months to fully recover. Its much harder on the big guys, and when you consider his line of work, Id bet there is no way he's ready week 1.

He's an elite athlete with the best medical care on earth, and nothing to do but rehab and rest. It's a fair assumption that your experience means nothing.

[ThaVirus]

I doubt it. I had the same condition and operation when I was 27. Took me about 2.5 months to fully recover. Its much harder on the big guys, and when you consider his line of work, Id bet there is no way he's ready week 1.


That makes me feel a lot better. If some random scrub on a KC message board can recover from this injury in a couple months, I bet an elite professional athlete has a good chance to do so in half the time.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Peyton Manning's issues started with a herniated disc.

It was May 2011, and Manning had checked into Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago for surgery on a herniated disc, a tear in the protective ring in his neck that had undermined his performance after 14 seasons with the Indianapolis Colts. The procedure was supposed to fix it, but now when he pushed himself up in bed, his right triceps was unable to bear his weight. Trying to contain his alarm, the most eminent quarterback in the NFL asked his surgeon what had happened to his arm. The surgeon explained that the disc had been pressing on a nerve. It would take some time for the irritation to subside, and for the nerve and muscle to come back alive.

But two weeks later, Manning’s arm still felt weak. By this time he noticed that the grip strength in his hand also appeared to be affected. “If any other part of your body has some weakness you go, ‘Well I can probably manage,’” Manning says. “But when you’re a quarterback and it’s your right hand, you’re certainly concerned far as being able to do your job.” His doctors discovered that he had re-herniated the disc, and Manning returned to the hospital for a second surgery, this one in virtual secrecy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/peyton-manning-on-his-neck-surgeries-rehab--and-how-he-almost-didnt-make-it-back/2013/10/21/8e3b5ca6-3a55-11e3-b7ba-503fb5822c3e_story.html

[xztop123]

Poe was great at times but he did get pushed around a lot last year.. Look at Austin Frekin Howard a backup guard push the big fella around

https://vine.co/v/OJD7PlLbWzK

exactly he was gassed a lot of the time. especially against denver

[BigMeatballDave]

Peyton Manning's issues started with a herniated disc.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/peyton-manning-on-his-neck-surgeries-rehab--and-how-he-almost-didnt-make-it-back/2013/10/21/8e3b5ca6-3a55-11e3-b7ba-503fb5822c3e_story.html

Hey, drooling retard, Peyton's problems started when he nearly got his head torn off.

We see what you're doing here and fuck you. Go toss your boyfriend MagicHef's salad.

[Discuss Thrower]

By all means, explain to me HOW we aren't going to start 1-3.


Try to make me laugh as much as possible.


He can't because he doesn't actually counter any take he doesn't agree with by using any substantive reasons. It's just curse word laden insults to other posters. Party like it's 1999.

Poe being less than 100% to begin the year absolutely puts a 1-3 start in play. There's still no one beside DJ among LBs that have proven they can defend the run... and there's the whole issue that people here are totally glossing the fuck over in that there's an assumption DJ and DeVito come back with any semblance of being useful on the field. Until they demonstrate that in a regular season game, there's no proof the defense is going to stop the likes of slapdicks like Kerwynn Williams running with impunity.

[The Bad Guy]

Peyton Manning's issues started with a herniated disc.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/peyton-manning-on-his-neck-surgeries-rehab--and-how-he-almost-didnt-make-it-back/2013/10/21/8e3b5ca6-3a55-11e3-b7ba-503fb5822c3e_story.html

Your issues started when your father didn't pull out.

[O.city]

A normal person recovery time is about 2.5 to 3 months.

I bet he's back by the 3rd preseason game

[notorious]

He can't because he doesn't actually counter any take he doesn't agree with by using any substantive reasons. It's just curse word laden insults to other posters. Party like it's 1999.

Poe being less than 100% to begin the year absolutely puts a 1-3 start in play. There's still no one beside DJ among LBs that have proven they can defend the run... and there's the whole issue that people here are totally glossing the **** over in that there's an assumption DJ and DeVito come back with any semblance of being useful on the field. Until they demonstrate that in a regular season game, there's no proof the defense is going to stop the likes of slapdicks like Kerwynn Williams running with impunity.


I think they are going 1-3 because 3 of the teams the Chiefs play in the first 4 weeks are better.

[ThaVirus]

I remember back when I was in high school I pulled a quad muscle. That shit put me out of commission for like a month or two. I couldn't run for shit until it completely healed up.

Around the same time Priest had pulled a muscle, I think it was a hammy, and I freaked the fuck out assuming he'd have to miss a month. The guy was out there tearing shit up the next week with no issues.

[BossChief]

They should probably go sign Barry Coefield.

[O.city]

We haven't even had a preseason game yet. We have no idea really, who's gonna be anything this year.

[BossChief]

Im probably alone on this one, but I'm counting Poe out this year. Even if he plays, it's not gonna be the same guy. Not until it's fully healed.

And that might not ever happen.

The good news is, this will probably open up opportunities for Catapano to get more reps cause DEs are gonna play the nose unless they go sign Coefield.

[Brock]

I think they are going 1-3 because 3 of the teams the Chiefs play in the first 4 weeks are better.

2 of them are.

[Brock]

Im probably alone on this one, but I'm counting Poe out this year. Even if he plays, it's not gonna be the same guy. Not until it's fully healed.

And that might not ever happen.

"That might not ever happen"

Drama queen

[notorious]

We haven't even had a preseason game yet. We have no idea really, who's gonna be anything this year.

Denver is 6-0 against us the last 3 years, and they will be just as good early this season.

Green Bay is really fucking good at home, or anywhere else for that matter.

Cincy is good, especially at home during the regular season.


I think we have an idea who's going to be good during the first month of the season. If you are hoping for injuries, don't hold your breath.

[notorious]

2 of them are.

Cincy at home is better.

[O.city]

Denver is 6-0 against us the last 3 years, and they will be just as good early this season.

Green Bay is really ****ing good at home, or anywhere else for that matter.

Cincy is good, especially at home during the regular season.


I think we have an idea who's going to be good during the first month of the season. If you are hoping for injuries, don't hold your breath.

We go thru this every year.

Too early to tell

[Brock]

Cincy at home is better.

Agree to disagree.

[Tribal Warfare]

We haven't even had a preseason game yet. We have no idea really, who's gonna be anything this year.

you think this CP freakout is bad, go over to AP they're acting like someone fucked there grandmother's corpse.

[penbrook]

Per Adam Teicher

Eric Berry has been cleared to practice with the Chiefs on Wednesday morning.

[notorious]

Agree to disagree.

http://3nonetwo.com/zpers/images/KermitNod.gif


Here's to hoping you are proven correct.

[penbrook]

Per Adam Teicher

Eric Berry has been cleared to practice with the Chiefs on Wednesday morning.

[Bwana]

I saw Berry last night. No way he's playing this year.

Fail

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Im probably alone on this one, but I'm counting Poe out this year. Even if he plays, it's not gonna be the same guy. Not until it's fully healed.

And that might not ever happen.

The good news is, this will probably open up opportunities for Catapano to get more reps cause DEs are gonna play the nose unless they go sign Coefield.

Terrible post

[BlackOp]

I really thought KC might have taken Malcom Brown in the 1st....Happy with the Peters pick but was worried about depth and the number of snaps KC relied on out of Poe.

There doesn't look to be a dominant AFC team this season...everyone has warts. KC has as good as chance as any this year.

[beach tribe]

He was at my friends juicery last night

ROFLDid he come in with Mecca's girlfriend?

Bravo:clap:LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

ROFLDid he come in with Mecca's girlfriend?

Bravo:clap:LMAO

Says the guy that said that Tyson Jackson would be "awesome".

:shake:

[CoMoChief]

Is Red Bryant still available? Is he worth a shit anymore? I remember this board was pretty high on wanting to sign him in FA a few yrs ago.

[saphojunkie]

I saw Berry last night. No way he's playing this year.

Nice insight hog fucker.

[BlackHelicopters]

3-13

[SeeingRed]

I'll be honest, its not the same defense without Poe...still good but def not the same. Can't replace him. Don't need him in camp or pre-season. Hope he is good for week 1

[mdchiefsfan]

I know I'll get raked over the coals for this, but Sutton did a good job adjusting to life without Devito, Berry, and DJ. It took a few games to get it where it needed to be, but we were one of the top defenses last year.

While I understand that without the anchor to your defense, a lot goes out the window, but I'm curious to see how, with the amount of time given to adjust, they maximize our players' strengths to minimize the loss of Poe.

At least we have time to work it out, as opposed to adjusting on the fly.

[Rausch]

I know I'll get raked over the coals for this, but Sutton did a good job adjusting to life without Devito, Berry, and DJ. It took a few games to get it where it needed to be, but we were one of the top defenses last year.

While I understand that without the anchor to your defense, a lot goes out the window, but I'm curious to see how, with the amount of time given to adjust, they maximize our players' strengths to minimize the loss of Poe.

At least we have time to work it out, as opposed to adjusting on the fly.

Agreed.

He's clearly a freak and huge part of our D.

That said it's one of the few areas we can sub a guy in and not have huge suck occur. We have b/u guys decent vs the run and at least one draft pick we plan to rotate there and on the DE spot.

I guess he sucks up more NT snaps now...

[BigMeatballDave]

I saw Berry last night. No way he's playing this year.LOL You were saying...?

[Titty Meat]

Says the guy that said that Tyson Jackson would be "awesome".

:shake:

That dude is a total meth junky who gives a shit what he says?

[TEX]

That makes me feel a lot better. If some random scrub on a KC message board can recover from this injury in a couple months, I bet an elite professional athlete has a good chance to do so in half the time.

Nothing would make you feel better other than a lobotomy, but I'll bet you anything that it takes him at least the same amount of time, or longer, to FULLY recover AND NO WAY he plays, not even one snap, WEEK 1. You have no idea what you're commenting on, fool.

[beach tribe]

Says the guy that said that Tyson Jackson would be "awesome".

:shake:

Richard Seymore, I said.LMAO:banghead:

Never have had the problem of not admitting when I'm wrong.
But I don't have to try and lie about shit to gain the respect of people I've never met.
Like getting head in as ally or that I just saw Eric Berry.

[beach tribe]

That dude is a total meth junky who gives a shit what he says?

You are a joke. The whole joke, and nothing but the joke.

[Titty Meat]

Richard Seymore, I said.LMAO:banghead:

Never have had the problem of admitting when I'm wrong.
But I don't have to try and lie about shit to gain the respect of people I've never met.
Like getting head in as ally or that I just saw Eric Berry.


I never lied about anything druggie.

[beach tribe]

I never lied about anything druggie.

I'm sure you took a picture with your phone. Or do you not own one?

Pics or you are FOFS.

[TEX]

He's an elite athlete with the best medical care on earth, and nothing to do but rehab and rest. It's a fair assumption that your experience means nothing.

:LOL: No disrespect intended, but I strongly disagree. Bottom line is he weighs more than 325lbs. My back discs, and yours, (and ANY HUMANS) are not genetically structured to carry that much weight. In fact, his discs are no stronger than yours or mine yet he carries much more weight. Weight, and being able to support it, is a huge factor in the recovery of a disc injury. Ask ANY back Dr. It's not so much my experience, as it is dealing with the medial facts of a herniated disc injury that make my statement a very fair assumption.

[Discuss Thrower]

Love how people think back surgery is no more serious than an ankle sprain here.

[Titty Meat]

I'm sure you took a picture with your phone. Or do you not own one?

Pics or you are FOFS.

I didn't take a pic with him or of him but he took a pic with the owner. If I post the pic will you promise to never post here again?

[TEX]

Love how people think back surgery is no more serious than an ankle sprain here.

:clap: Exactly! A voice of reason... Its serious for anyone but especially so for those who weigh a lot.

[beach tribe]

I didn't take a pic with him or of him but he took a pic with the owner. If I post the pic will you promise to never post here again?

No way to prove when or where of pic.
I tell you what. Post it up and if it looks legit I will give you a sincere apology, and proclaim myself a cockbag.
How's that?

[Titty Meat]

No way to prove when or where of pic.
I tell you what. Post it up and if it looks legit I will give you a sincere apology, and proclaim myself a cockbag.
How's that?

The place hasn't even been open a week. He was there because 1 of the drinks is named after him and some of the money goes to his charity. Says a lot about him as a person to come take time to check the place out when he could just say yea support my foundation that's cool.

[beach tribe]

The place hasn't even been open a week. He was there because 1 of the drinks is named after him and some of the money goes to his charity. Says a lot about him as a person to come take time to check the place out when he could just say yea support my foundation that's cool.

The picture and name of establishment, please, sir.

[DJ's left nut]

Love how people think back surgery is no more serious than an ankle sprain here.

Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and get into an argument with the "Pft...look at the CP doctors" crowd.

If anyone has ever had a back issue or spoken with back surgeons, they know that this isn't bullshit. My ortho worked for the US Olympic team and does a lot of Mizzou's stuff - the guy knows his shit and I'm pretty comfortable with the information I have from him.

This isn't something he's going to just shake off - the mechanics of the human body won't allow it. And maybe he'll be able to play through/around it. He may even get back to performing at similar levels. He was so good to begin with, even a diminished Poe will still be a top level starter.

But a lot of people are whistling past the graveyard here. "Oh, well this could just keep him fresh...it's probably a good thing" :rolleyes:

I'd have rather he blown out his knee.

[loochy]

The picture and name of establishment, please, sir.

The Purple Dong

[beach tribe]

The Purple Dong

The Blue Oyster Bar.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh90/bbeal29/Blue-Oyster-Bar_zpsx2bsefrl.gif (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/bbeal29/media/Blue-Oyster-Bar_zpsx2bsefrl.gif.html)

[TEX]

Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and get into an argument with the "Pft...look at the CP doctors" crowd.

If anyone has ever had a back issue or spoken with back surgeons, they know that this isn't bullshit. My ortho worked for the US Olympic team and does a lot of Mizzou's stuff - the guy knows his shit and I'm pretty comfortable with the information I have from him.

This isn't something he's going to just shake off - the mechanics of the human body won't allow it. And maybe he'll be able to play through/around it. He may even get back to performing at similar levels. He was so good to begin with, even a diminished Poe will still be a top level starter.

But a lot of people are whistling past the graveyard here. "Oh, well this could just keep him fresh...it's probably a good thing" :rolleyes:

I'd have rather he blown out his knee.

Exactly the case. All those who think his back will heal quickly b/c he is an "elite athlete" are wrong. You cant really expedite the healing process for his type of injury. Its not like you can give him more meds. You can only do so much within a time range. Its more likely that this season will be a wash with him than it is that he'll play at a high level. The reality is, there is a chance he could miss more time than he plays.

[Discuss Thrower]

As someone else posted, it's pretty safe to write off Poe for the season as being some sort of difference maker on defense.

Back surgery as a 300lb+ man who relies on brute strength to do his job on the field? There's no way he's going to be the type of player he's shown himself to be the last two seasons.

NB4 "durr but Eric Berry beat cancer!" posts.

[RealSNR]

Durr but Eric Berry beat cancer

[Urc Burry]

As someone else posted, it's pretty safe to write off Poe for the season as being some sort of difference maker on defense.

Back surgery as a 300lb+ man who relies on brute strength to do his job on the field? There's no way he's going to be the type of player he's shown himself to be the last two seasons.

NB4 "durr but Eric Berry beat cancer!" posts.

Well I disagree that he won't be a difference maker this year. I would almost rather he comes back around week 6 then rush it and be ready early. But even at his 80% he's better than most NT's in the league.

I think for the future it would benefit him greatly to get down to the 320 range as opposed to 345

[O.city]

As someone else posted, it's pretty safe to write off Poe for the season as being some sort of difference maker on defense.

Back surgery as a 300lb+ man who relies on brute strength to do his job on the field? There's no way he's going to be the type of player he's shown himself to be the last two seasons.

NB4 "durr but Eric Berry beat cancer!" posts.

You speak in alot of absolutes

[ThaVirus]

You speak in alot of absolutes


I think it's a coping mechanism. He's been let down in life so many times that he's adopted the "sky is falling" worldview. It keeps expectations low and ultimately minimizes the pain.

[SeeingRed]

I know I'll get raked over the coals for this, but Sutton did a good job adjusting to life without Devito, Berry, and DJ. It took a few games to get it where it needed to be, but we were one of the top defenses last year.

While I understand that without the anchor to your defense, a lot goes out the window, but I'm curious to see how, with the amount of time given to adjust, they maximize our players' strengths to minimize the loss of Poe.

At least we have time to work it out, as opposed to adjusting on the fly.

Ya, no...the defense without Poe isn't as good as they are with Poe....its very simple. Doesn't mean they still can be good, but just not as good....there's no way. Can't replace that guy.

[Easy 6]

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[Three7s]

Durr but Eric Berry beat cancer
Bastard, you beat me to it.

[BossChief]

Our run defense has been crap with Poe....is it possible our run d improves with Poe missing time, similarly to how the pass defense improved...largely without Berry?..

[staylor26]

Our run defense has been crap with Poe....is it possible our run d improves with Poe missing time, similarly to how the pass defense improved...largely without Berry?..

It's possible, but my thinking is simply this: great defenses lose core guys all the time and keep it together (Seahawks, Ravens, 49ers) and with the depth we have on that side of the ball there's no reason not to believe in the "next man up" philosophy. It will sting a little, but Sutton will scheme around it.

[Easy 6]

Depending on how close to 100% DJ and DeVito are, the run D could actually get worse... he's a major loss no matter how its sliced.

[beach tribe]

Depending on how close to 100% DJ and DeVito are, the run D could actually get worse... he's a major loss no matter how its sliced.

Scary shit.

[Easy 6]

Scary shit.

Yes it is, we finally get a great one and he has a major, potentially permanent problem going into his fourth year... seems like this came outta nowhere, last I'd read his back was feeling great.

[Valiant]

This sucks. Depending on how it plays out he is done as a top tier player. Hopefully they get him fixed and can leave a normal life. At his size it wont be easy.

[BossChief]

IMO they should try to get him to drop weight the next couple years and play him at LDE like the Ravens used to do with Ngata.

[ThaVirus]

Bastard, you beat me to it.


Only beat ya by 3 hours. You were so close, bro.

[staylor26]

IMO they should try to get him to drop weight the next couple years and play him at LDE like the Ravens used to do with Ngata.

That would be ideal if we could find our Kelly Gregg.

How do you think Howard will fair at NT? I feel like he will command double teams with his ability to penetrate and beat 1 on 1 blocks, but I'm concerned with his ability to take on those double teams.

[BigChiefFan]

The OP states his surgery was successful and is doing great. The rest is just the typical CP knee jerk reactions BS.

[Tribal Warfare]

The OP states his surgery was successful and is doing great. The rest is just the typical CP knee jerk reactions BS.

though we should kick Sutton square in the nuts for not spotting him enough or at all.

[BigChiefFan]

though we should kick Sutton square in the nuts for not spotting him enough or at all.

Agreed, but I can understand wanting to keep a 3 down lineman in as much as possible, especially the caliber of Poe. That's why I advocated taking a NT early in the past draft.

[Smed1065]

Might be the wear and tear of playing so much in college and NFL that big. Think he played close to every snap in college.

Hope just minor.

[beach tribe]

Maybe this will force Sutton to substitute more and Poe will be fresher later in the season considering he is healthy enough to play.

[Chronic]

This defense over achieved last year... the firs 4 games are brutal

1-3

I don't see how this team can rely on Charles this year, OL took a step back... I see his YPC dropping and Smiffy having to put stuff on his shoulder instead of relying on Charles every down- Poe out? An OL that has taken a step backwards

I dunno... It don't look good

[Hammock Parties]

This defense over achieved last year... the firs 4 games are brutal

1-3

I don't see how this team can rely on Charles this year, OL took a step back... I see his YPC dropping and Smiffy having to put stuff on his shoulder instead of relying on Charles every down- Poe out? An OL that has taken a step backwards

I dunno... It don't look good

Don't worry man...Eric Berry beat cancer.

SUPER BOWL HERE WE CUM

[milkman]

So, we can't rely on Charles.

I'm dying to hear why?

[mdchiefsfan]

So, we can't rely on Charles.

I'm dying to hear why?

He's a Raiders fan trying to troll. Don't bother.

[Discuss Thrower]

So, we can't rely on Charles.

I'm dying to hear why?

You can rely on a RB like Charles...


.. assuming he isn't old for his position, is playing behind with at least a below average line and hasn't had a track record of missing games over his last few seasons.

[mdchiefsfan]

I'm hearing out indefinitely now. Has there been a change, or just different speculation?

[ThaVirus]

I'm hearing out indefinitely now. Has there been a change, or just different speculation?


We should probably just go with "indefinitely".

It's a back issue and he's a big guy. This isn't something you're going to want to rush him back into. It'll have serious consequences for the rest of his life if he re-injures it.

[RunKC]

Have we signed Red Bryant yet?

[KCCHIEFS27]

We should probably just go with "indefinitely".

It's a back issue and he's a big guy. This isn't something you're going to want to rush him back into. It'll have serious consequences for the rest of his life if he re-injures it.

Not just a back issue, but the guy had back surgery. Back surgery is never a good thing and it typically only gets worse. Not looking good for the middle of that defense.

[philfree]

They're so good at back surgery these days Poe will be fine. What did they do make a 1/2" incision?

[RunKC]

Sutton will run the nickel most of the time to scheme around losing Poe. I'd be he'll have DeVito and Howard in a lot with Bailey and Cat rotating and one SS between Branch, Berry and maybe sometimes Commings (if he's healthy) lined up to help stop the run.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2014/08/07/0ap3000000375122.jpg

http://d1s25m6npd4nen.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/post/2014/05/how_to_use_hyde_1.jpg

[staylor26]

Sutton will run the nickel most of the time to scheme around losing Poe. I'd be he'll have DeVito and Howard in a lot with Bailey and Cat rotating and one SS between Branch, Berry and maybe sometimes Commings (if he's healthy) lined up to help stop the run.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2014/08/07/0ap3000000375122.jpg

http://d1s25m6npd4nen.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/post/2014/05/how_to_use_hyde_1.jpg

Funny that you bring this up bc it's exactly along the lines of what I was thinking last night. We're in nickel more than half the time anyways. I don't think losing Poe is going to hurt as much as we all initially felt. Hopefully he gets back soon though bc we're obviously better off with him, and maybe by the time he's back Cat and Howard solidify themselves and we have a great rotation going forward.

[ThaVirus]

How would going with a lighter formation compensate for losing a 345 lbs NT?

[staylor26]

How would going with a lighter formation compensate for losing a 345 lbs NT?

Bc we don't have another 345 lb NT? :facepalm:

[RunKC]

I think it just depends on who we are playing. I would play more of a 4-3 against the Texans bc they will most likely try to run. And Mallett scares nobody.

Vs Denver I think we should start out with the nickel and if not switch to the original 3-4 base with Bailey,DeVito and Howard.

[staylor26]

I think it just depends on who we are playing. I would play more of a 4-3 against the Texans bc they will most likely try to run. And Mallett scares nobody.

Vs Denver I think we should start out with the nickel and if not switch to the original 3-4 base with Bailey,DeVito and Howard.

When we run a 4-3 we might as well use Berry/Branch as our third LB if they aren't confident in Ramik.

[ThaVirus]

Bc we don't have another 345 lb NT? :facepalm:


Our defense was trash against the run with a 345 in the middle. Now that we've lost him you want to take a defensive lineman off the field?

[ThaVirus]

With as often as we move a safety into the box in nickel formations, you're talking about taking a DL and LB off the field in favor of a CB and S.

[staylor26]

With as often as we move a safety into the box in nickel formations, you're talking about taking a DL and LB off the field in favor of a CB and S.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about when we have 4 down linemen on 2nd and long type situations. Sutton gets pretty creative with his formations based on the situations. If it's 2nd & 8/9 having an extra S like Branch would help against the pass while not killing us against the run. You still have 4 down linemen.

[ThaVirus]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about when we have 4 down linemen on 2nd and long type situations. Sutton gets pretty creative with his formations based on the situations. If it's 2nd & 8/9 having an extra S like Branch would help against the pass while not killing us against the run. You still have 4 down linemen.


Explain to me these possible formations and their respective personnel

[Discuss Thrower]

Sorter needs to make an appearance..

[ThaVirus]

Sorter needs to make an appearance..


Throw up the Bat-signal

[RunKC]

Our defense was trash against the run with a 345 in the middle. Now that we've lost him you want to take a defensive lineman off the field?

Our ILB's were the biggest issue with our run defense. They couldn't tackle, read a play or shed blockers. Look at the Oakland game in Oakland where we gave up the long TD run.

And as much as I like Parker and Abdullah in pass pro, they aren't good vs the run. And Kurt Coleman was a tackle missing machine.

I would expect getting DeVito and DJ back, along with a good run stuffer like Branch will help us become better.

Not saying we will be top 10 against the run, but I think they could be decent.

[ThaVirus]

I don't think he realizes that the four "down linemen" aren't all defensive linemen. Unless he's advocating taking Houston and Hali/Ford off the field in favor of Catapano and Howard... Which actually sounds like something he might suggest.

[staylor26]

Explain to me these possible formations and their respective personnel

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/5/25/8653833/dontari-poe-allen-bailey-chargers-offensive-line-kansas-city-chiefs

Essentially this with Branch/Berry instead of Coleman. Houston and Tamba would be standing up but on the line. DeVito/Howard would be in Poe's spot.

[ThaVirus]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/5/25/8653833/dontari-poe-allen-bailey-chargers-offensive-line-kansas-city-chiefs



Essentially this with Branch/Berry instead of Coleman. Houston and Tamba would be standing up but on the line.


Dude. That's a light nickel defense with a safety replacing the second ILB. 2-3-6. That's two defensive linemen (Bailey and Poe), three LBs (Houston, Hali, and Mauga) with 6 defensive backs (one of which, Abdullah, is in the box acting as a LB).

How in God's name do you think running such a light formation will help us compensate for losing Poe?

[staylor26]

Dude. That's a light nickel defense with a safety replacing the second ILB. 2-3-6. That's two defensive linemen (Bailey and Poe), three LBs (Houston, Hali, and Mauga) with 6 defensive backs (one of which, Abdullah, is in the box acting as a LB).

How in God's name do you think running such a light formation will help us compensate for losing Poe?

Completely forgot to mention DJ instead of Owens with Abdullah playing nickel/safety depending on the offensive formation. It doesn't matter whether Houston/Hali are standing or with their hand in the dirt it's still basically the same formation.

[ThaVirus]

Your rose-colored glasses are extra rosey this evening.

You're essentially talking about replacing 345 lbs of man-child with 305 lbs of meh and saying we'll be no worse for wear.

[ThaVirus]

If Peyton sees a front 6 consisting of Ford-Devito-Howard-Houston backed up by DJ and Branch, he's going to check to a run and gash us for 6-8 yards per carry.

And if we cheat up Berry/Abdullah/Parker into the box for support, he'll check to a pass and burn our rookie CBs.

It'll be a bloodbath.

[staylor26]

Your rose-colored glasses are extra rosey this evening.

You're essentially talking about replacing 345 lbs of man-child with 305 lbs of meh and saying we'll be no worse for wear.

Did you read? I clearly was saying this is a formation we can use in situations like 2nd & long. I still believe we have to have Bailey/Howard/DeVito, Bailey/Howard/Cat, and Bailey/DeVito/Cat in our base 3/4.

[ThaVirus]

Did you read? I clearly was saying this is a formation we can use in situations like 2nd & long. I still believe we have to have Bailey/Howard/DeVito, Bailey/Howard/Cat, and Bailey/DeVito/Cat in our base 3/4.


No offensive coordinator in the league, except, coincidentally, our own maybe, is going to throw out running plays on 2nd and 8.

2nd and 8 is just as run-friendly as 2nd and 6 or 2nd and 4. Most guys are going to try to make 3rd down more manageable.

[ThaVirus]

Here's the deal: we had a great pass defense last season and our run defense left a lot to be desired. Yes, our run defense took hits with three of our best run defenders missing most of the season and we run nickel formations more than most any team in the league..

But when you lose your 345 lbs plug, you don't run more light formations to compensate.

[staylor26]

No offensive coordinator in the league, except, coincidentally, our own maybe, is going to throw out running plays on 2nd and 8.

2nd and 8 is just as run-friendly as 2nd and 6 or 2nd and 4. Most guys are going to try to make 3rd down more manageable.

I understand that but the formation I was talking about can stop the run in that situation (the point is to dare them to) This is the formation I was talking about now that I have a minute:

Gaines, Houston, Bailey, Howard/DeVito, Hali, Smith/Peters

Branch/Berry, Mauga/Wilson, DJ

Abdullah(on the slot if necessary)

Parker

[RunKC]

It's gonna hurt losing Poe. It will also help having a top 10 run stuffer from 2013 back along with DJ and Branch.

I just hope we can fundamentally tackle when we play them bc last time we couldn't tackle to save our lives. Gaines, Coleman, both ILB's missed tackles all game long.

[Aspengc8]

I understand that but the formation I was talking about can stop the run in that situation (the point is to dare them to) This is the formation I was talking about now that I have a minute:

Gaines, Houston, Bailey, Howard/DeVito, Hali, Smith/Peters

Branch/Berry, Mauga/Wilson, DJ

Abdullah(on the slot if necessary)

Parker


Berry/Branch & DJ are not 4-3 OLB's, and in case you missed last season, Mauga cannot get off a block. DeVito coming off injury, and Bailey not much of a 3 tech beef.. I dunno man. I dont see many double teams required there which mean mauga/DJ/Berry will be fighting off lineman all day. DJ made a LIVING knifing through because good 1/0 techs require a double team.

Only positive I can see is I like Houston & Tamba/Ford as a wide 9 DE. Much rather play a odd front with them though.

Just my $.02

[staylor26]

Berry/Branch & DJ are not 4-3 OLB's, and in case you missed last season, Mauga cannot get off a block. DeVito coming off injury, and Bailey not much of a 3 tech beef.. I dunno man. I dont see many double teams required there which mean mauga/DJ/Berry will be fighting off lineman all day. DJ made a LIVING knifing through because good 1/0 techs require a double team.

Only positive I can see is I like Houston & Tamba/Ford as a wide 9 DE. Much rather play a odd front with them though.

Just my $.02

For the 100th time this is not a base formation. Just situational. I would never expect Berry/Branch to play OLB for more than a few snaps. Devito/Howard would still be lining up at NT. Also, DJ played 4-3 OLB for half of his career.

[staylor26]

It's gonna hurt losing Poe. It will also help having a top 10 run stuffer from 2013 back along with DJ and Branch.

I just hope we can fundamentally tackle when we play them bc last time we couldn't tackle to save our lives. Gaines, Coleman, both ILB's missed tackles all game long.

DeVito was top 10 on PFF in 2013?

[Aspengc8]

For the 100th time this is not a base formation. Just situational. I would never expect Berry/Branch to play OLB for more than a few snaps. Devito/Howard would still be lining up at NT. Also, DJ played 4-3 OLB for half of his career.

yeah im late to the party. Im not reading 16 pages.

I'd rather have catapano @ DE and have houston on the line in some sort of over front. I'd rather walk berry into the box as a 8th than have him in as the 7th. Only way I'd take your scenario is as a sub package when the O is showing 311 or posse personnel.

[RunKC]

@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014

Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:

6'1" 323 lbs
10 5/8 hands (damn)
5.18 40 yd dash
36 bench press reps

Very strong dude

[RealSNR]

@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014



Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:



6'1" 323 lbs

10 5/8 hands (damn)

5.18 40 yd dash

36 bench press reps



Very strong dude


Put up the DJ's Left Nut signal!

[KChiefs1]

Red Bryant


Yes

[KChiefs1]

@BlairKerkhoff: Chiefs waive RB Keshawn Hill, sign DT Hebron Fangupo, a member of Chiefs practice squad in 2014



Here's your NT help. I'm surprised the guy wasn't drafted with the measurabls he had at the combine:



6'1" 323 lbs

10 5/8 hands (damn)

5.18 40 yd dash

36 bench press reps



Very strong dude


Practice squad guy? Really?

[Red Dawg]

Losing Poe sucks. He won't play until October.

[Chiefshrink]

Losing Poe sucks. He won't play until October.

He'll miss the whole season. You don't come back quickly from a herniated disc surgery and then play NT in the NFL just weeks later. Unrealistic, period.

[beach tribe]

I can't help but think that this was exacerbated by the fact that he didn't get rotated enough. Sure as hell didn't help.

[beach tribe]

He'll miss the whole season. You don't come back quickly from a herniated disc surgery and then play NT in the NFL just weeks later. Unrealistic, period.

And Berry will never play this season, either. There were examples posted of players doing it and retuning to the starting line-up. He's very young. He will pay this season.

[Brock]

He'll be starting day one. Just mark it down, it's a fact.

[Tribal Warfare]

And Berry will never play this season, either. There were examples posted of players doing it and retuning to the starting line-up. He's very young. He will pay this season.

This is the reason I'm not that worried, and I'm not going to get riled up over something that there isn't any footage on.

[DaneMcCloud]

And Berry will never play this season, either. There were examples posted of players doing it and retuning to the starting line-up. He's very young. He will pay this season.

If Berry plays significant snaps this season at his previous level, it will be a testament to his will power and the power of medicine.

It would be completely unprecedented and would mean far more to those suffering from cancer than any football fan could imagine.

[Chiefshrink]

There were examples posted of players doing it and retuning to the starting line-up.

Please encourage me. Not trying to be a negative Nelly here but......

[Chiefshrink]

If Berry plays significant snaps this season at his previous level, it will be a testament to ........

the grace and power of God.:thumb:

[beach tribe]

Please encourage me. Not trying to be a negative Nelly here but......

I'll try to find it. I think it's in this thread.

[ThaVirus]

the grace and power of God.:thumb:


It's a good thing he used his infinite power to give Berry cancer only to turn around and eradicate it 8 months later for reasons and such.

What a just and merciful God he is.