Russel Wilson and Friends agree to deal.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

<blockquoteclass="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russell Wilson and the Seahawks have agreed to a 4-year, $87.6-million extension, per source.</p>&mdash; Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) <a href="https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/627112594537607168">July 31, 2015</a></blockquote> <script asyncsrc="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Discuss Thrower]

"Overrated" -CP

[BossChief]

Guaranteed?

Just a hair under Aaron Rodgers deal...

[BigMeatballDave]

Only a 4-yr deal? Interesting. Smart move by Seattle.

[nychief]

Only a 4-yr deal? Interesting. Smart move by Seattle.

smart move by russell.

[BossChief]

60m guaranteed

[O.city]

Doesn't look like he got the 25 per he was supposedly asking for

[BigMeatballDave]

smart move by russell.

How so?

[O.city]

4 years, can angle for another big deal whilst in his prime

[-King-]

Haha.
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[RunKC]

Kam holding out. They are running outta money

[Amnorix]

30 years old when the contract ends, so he will get at least one more huge payday, assuming his performance remains very good.

Seems like a smart deal for both sides. Seattle is doing an excellent job of locking up all its best players for the long haul.

[Amnorix]

Kam holding out. They are running outta money


Kam will report and play under his existing contract eventually, almost without doubt. He extended early, and for less, and now regrets it. Too bad for him but it's what he's got.

The next big one to deal with is Wagner.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Wish I was a Seahawks fan

[BigMeatballDave]

4 years, can angle for another big deal whilst in his prime

Ah, true. I was looking at the team's POV. The contract expires before exiting his prime. In case things don't continue on the path they're on.

[-King-]

Wish I was a Seahawks fan

Nothing's stopping you
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[BigMeatballDave]

Wish I was a Seahawks fan

There's the door-----> http://images.footballfanatics.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=%2fproductImages%2f_1744000%2fff_1744355_xl.jpg&w=400Don't let it hit you on the ass on your way out.

[Amnorix]

No question but that Schneider is doing a hell of a job. He really needs to win an executive of the year award.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Nothing's stopping you
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Am I Mav or something? Let's go Chefs!

[Hootie]

weird! Dane wrong again ... who woulda thought?

[Hootie]

Gee! I really thought the Seahawks were going to let him get away ...

Oh wait. No I didn't. Because I'm not a fucking moron.

[Chiefnj2]

Overpaid. He's not better than Alex Smith. / 60% of CP

[RunKC]

interesting article on the 2016 Seahawk FA's.

http://sea.247sports.com/Bolt/Seattle-Seahawks-2016-free-agency-at-a-glance-38245143

A lot of starters on that team will be gone next year. Gotta think Dorsey will be looking to snatch one up.

[Hootie]

I'd like to see Dane's thoughts on this?

Apparently the Hawks were gonna trade him for 2 picks, according to Dane, because he clearly wasn't worth the money ...

and then he signs for Aaron Rodgers money

Just super weird!

Dane?

[RunKC]

Bobby Wagner just tweeted this. He gone.

@Bwagz54: Can't keep everyone

[Saul Good]

They were going to let him walk and then sign Matt Ryan after Atlanta declined to offer him a contract.

[Hootie]

I'm just super shocked they didn't let a two time NFC Champion (in a 3 year career) test free agency. Shocked, I tell ya

[thabear04]

Bobby Wagner just tweeted this. He gone.

@Bwagz54: Can't keep everyone

Plus Kam wants a new contract.

[RealSNR]

There were going to be casualties as soon as they gave their QB a real contract.

Wagner's probably going to leave.

[Eleazar]

Overpaid. He's not better than Alex Smith. / 60% of CP

He is getting paid almost exactly like Alex Smith.

[RunKC]

Seahawks better make this year count bc they are losing a lot of really good players in 2016.

[BigBeauford]

30 years old when the contract ends, so he will get at least one more huge payday, assuming his defense'sperformance remains very good.

Seems like a smart deal for both sides. Seattle is doing an excellent job of locking up all its best players for the long haul.

FTFY

[Saul Good]

I'm just super shocked they didn't let a two time NFC Champion (in a 3 year career) test free agency. Shocked, I tell ya
Shocking things are shocking.
Speculation? What's the speculation?

Matt Ryan has been an underperforming NFL QB. Period. Like Matt Stafford, he hasn't been a Franchise QB. He's led them to ONE playoff game in 5 seasons, yet the GM has bent over backwards to surround him with talent.

Unless the Falcons win the Super Bowl next year (not likely), it wouldn't surprise me to see them move on to a different QB.

Why pay Matt Ryan $15 million a year when he can't win shit?

[Hootie]

Shocking things are shocking.
I wish I was good at searching so I could laugh at Dane's comments on the Wilson extension, his thoughts on cutting Berry who had cancer, etc...

For knowing it all ... He uh, knows very little !

[RealSNR]

I wish I was good at searching so I could laugh at Dane's comments on the Wilson extension, his thoughts on cutting Berry who had cancer, etc...

For knowing it all ... He uh, knows very little !

We all use this nifty little tool for all of our searches.

It's called Google. You should get one.

[Eleazar]

He is getting paid almost exactly like Alex Smith.

Edit - misread the OP. So,

Smith: 4 / $68, $18m bonus + $45m guaranteed ($17m avg)
Wilson: 4 / $87, $31m bonus + $60m guaranteed ($21.75m avg)

Wilson is the second highest paid QB in the league now.

Whether you think Wilson is as great as ESPN does or you think he's overrated, he's being overpaid compared to his peers. But Seattle has to factor in the cost and risk of replacing him, not just his quality as a franchise QB.

[Eleazar]

I wish I was good at searching so I could laugh at Dane's comments on the Wilson extension, his thoughts on cutting Berry who had cancer, etc...

For knowing it all ... He uh, knows very little !

Pretty much everyone here thought Berry was done. I have tried to explain that he didn't have the same thing an elderly relative you may have saw struggle with cancer had, that Berry's was very treatable, but no one seemed to take notice. (I'm surprised he is back in pads this year vs next year but I thought he would be back) Dane's view was shared by almost everyone here, he wasn't sticking his neck out to be dumb.

[ThaVirus]

Shocking things are shocking.


Dane argued with me when I said the Bengals should think about moving on from Dalton if they don't win a playoff game this season.

Hypocrite.

[RunKC]

4 of their 5 starting OL including Okung and Sweezy
Baldwin and Kearse
Irvin
Wagner
3 of their 4 DT's including Mebane
Lane

All these guys are as good as gone. Damn

[Eleazar]

I remember the heady days when CP was talking about self immolating if we took Okung.

[Brock]

He is getting paid almost exactly like Alex Smith.

No

31 million signing bonus vs 19
60 million guaranteed vs 45

A lot more money

[O.city]

As long as Seattle drafts well, I don't think it will.be as big of a deal to lose some of those guys

[DaneMcCloud]

weird! Dane wrong again ... who woulda thought?

Wrong about what? Did Wilson get $25 million per?

No, he did not.

Also, Fuckbag, "Every ball" wasn't under-flated by a pound.

LMAO

You're such a fucking moron.

[DaneMcCloud]

Shocking things are shocking.

Wonderful. Bring up quotes from 2 years ago.

STFU

BTW, what has Matt Ryan won since then?

[DaneMcCloud]

Dane argued with me when I said the Bengals should think about moving on from Dalton if they don't win a playoff game this season.

Hypocrite.

LMAO

The Bengals are paying him $9.6 million this year, not $17, not $21.9.

Who are they going to get to replace Dalton at that price?

[RealSNR]

LMAO

The Bengals are paying him $9.6 million this year, not $17, not $21.9.

Who are they going to get to replace Dalton at that price?


Tyler Bray

[Eleazar]

Tyler Bray

Exactly

[DaneMcCloud]

Tyler Bray

Exactly

But the 22 year old buttfuck just said I'm a hypocrite?

LMAO

This forum gets dumber with each passing day.

[Hootie]

Someone link me to the Russell thread about trading two picks for him please. Would like more laughs at Danes expense

[DaneMcCloud]

Someone link me to the Russell thread about trading two picks for him please. Would like more laughs at Danes expense

More proof that you're a fucking moron.

Did Wilson get $25 million per? No.

Now shut the fuck up and get back to cleaning up the toilets.

[Eleazar]

More proof that you're a fucking moron.

Did Wilson get $25 million per? No.

Now shut the fuck up and get back to cleaning up the toilets.

Maybe the Seahawks had a 20% off coupon?

[ThaVirus]

LMAO

The Bengals are paying him $9.6 million this year, not $17, not $21.9.

Who are they going to get to replace Dalton at that price?


What he's getting paid this season is inconsequential. He is there starting QB for this season and probably 2016 no matter the outcome based on the way his contract is structured.

This year his cap hit is $9.6, next year it jumps to $13, then $14, and it keeps rising until the end of the contract. He's been surrounded by as much talent as any QB in the league on the both sides of the ball and he hasn't even been able to turn in one respectable playoff performance for it.

Ultimately, his situation isn't much different than Matt Ryan and the Falcon's.

[RunKC]

Remember when everyone was freaking out about Alex Smith's contract? Yeah he's not making top 10 money until his last year, which he won't see.

[O.city]

What he's getting paid this season is inconsequential. He is there starting QB for this season and probably 2016 no matter the outcome based on the way his contract is structured.

This year his cap hit is $9.6, next year it jumps to $13, then $14, and it keeps rising until the end of the contract. He's been surrounded by as much talent as any QB in the league on the both sides of the ball and he hasn't even been able to turn in one respectable playoff performance for it.

Ultimately, his situation isn't much different than Matt Ryan and the Falcon's.

Isn't Dalton structured like Kaepernick, like a 2 year and we'll see kinda thing?

[DaneMcCloud]

What he's getting paid this season is inconsequential. He is there starting QB for this season and probably 2016 no matter the outcome based on the way his contract is structured.

This year his cap hit is $9.6, next year it jumps to $13, then $14, and it keeps rising until the end of the contract. He's been surrounded by as much talent as any QB in the league on the both sides of the ball and he hasn't even been able to turn in one respectable playoff performance for it.

Ultimately, his situation isn't much different than Matt Ryan and the Falcon's.

LMAO

You're embarrassing yourself. JFC, between your whining and justifications about this, Donnie Avery and the new X-Men movie, I wonder if you've begun the transition to SheVirus.

[BWillie]

I think the reason he got such a big contract, was because the Seahawks know that God speaks to Russel Wilson. I mean, he quite possibly is the second coming of the messiah.

[ThaVirus]

Isn't Dalton structured like Kaepernick, like a 2 year and we'll see kinda thing?


Sort of. The dead money if they decide to cut him sometime during the last 4 years of the contract is pretty minimal and totally manageable.

I'm assuming the Bengals structured it that way for a reason.

[O.city]

Shouldn't be surprised about this. Have you guys looked around the league at some of the other qbs? There's alot of shit starting and it doesn't look to be getting a whole lot better

[Eleazar]

Isn't Dalton structured like Kaepernick, like a 2 year and we'll see kinda thing?

Yeah, it was very favorable to the team and contained a lot of money that he will never see unless he turns into a great passer.

[Eleazar]

Guaranteed?

Just a hair under Aaron Rodgers deal...

"Just a hair"...?


Aaron Rodgers signed a 5 year, $110,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $33,250,000 signing bonus, $54,000,000 guaranteed


Both QBs are likely to see all this money. Rodgers' deal is $23 million richer and he signed it three years ago.

[ThaVirus]

"Just a hair"...?





Aaron Rodgers signed a 5 year, $110,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $33,250,000 signing bonus, $54,000,000 guaranteed





Both QBs are likely to see all this money. Rodgers' deal is $23 million richer and he signed it three years ago.


I think he's talking about the yearly average

[Eleazar]

I think he's talking about the yearly average

They seem close to we plebs who don't even make $1 million let alone $110 million, but they are almost $25 million apart.

And Rodgers would be getting plenty more if he were on the market today.

And while we are discussing peers, Brady is playing at a discount or he would too.

And Wilson, obviously, is not in the same class as these guys.

[Saul Good]

"Just a hair"...?


Aaron Rodgers signed a 5 year, $110,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $33,250,000 signing bonus, $54,000,000 guaranteed


Both QBs are likely to see all this money. Rodgers' deal is $23 million richer and he signed it three years ago.

It's $23 million richer because it's a year longer. Wilson is getting paid $23 million a year, so the only real difference is the extra year.

[ThaVirus]

They seem close to we plebs who don't even make $1 million let alone $110 million, but they are almost $25 million apart.

And Rodgers would be getting plenty more if he were on the market today.

And while we are discussing peers, Brady is playing at a discount or he would too.

And Wilson, obviously, is not in the same class as these guys.


You're arguing about nothing.

The yearly average of the two's contracts is nearly identical. Russell Wilson's is "just a hair" below Rodger's.

[Eleazar]

You're arguing about nothing.

The yearly average of the two's contracts is nearly identical. Russell Wilson's is "just a hair" below Rodger's.

There's no question about the present value of the two, which is not close, and the contracts wouldn't be close either if negotiated today.

[DaneMcCloud]

Wilson isn't the highest paid player in the game, nor did he get $25 million per year, yet people like Hootie are proclaiming "Victory" because he smartly re-signed with Seattle for a reasonable 2015 and beyond contract.

Chiefsplanet, don't go changin'.

[Hoover]

"Just a hair"...?


Aaron Rodgers signed a 5 year, $110,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $33,250,000 signing bonus, $54,000,000 guaranteed


Both QBs are likely to see all this money. Rodgers' deal is $23 million richer and he signed it three years ago.
I heard Russell has 60m guaranteed and 31m signing bonus.

So....

[RunKC]

As long as Seattle drafts well, I don't think it will.be as big of a deal to lose some of those guys

Their 2 drafts since drafting Russell Wilson have been well below average.

And they had 20 draft picks between those 2 drafts.

[ThaVirus]

There's no question about the present value of the two, which is not close, and the contracts wouldn't be close either if negotiated today.


No one said they would be.

Again, you're arguing about nothing.

[DaneMcCloud]

What's most hilarious about this thread is that Wilson is now under contract with Seattle until the end of the 2019 season, making it a five year deal, not four.

If he sees every penny of this $87.5 million dollar deal, it'll average $17.5 million per.

That's a little different than $25 million per, except if you have remedial math skills like Hootie.

[Hootie]

Wilson isn't the highest paid player in the game, nor did he get $25 million per year, yet people like Hootie are proclaiming "Victory" because he smartly re-signed with Seattle for a reasonable 2015 and beyond contract.

Chiefsplanet, don't go changin'.
Only look at guaranteed money ... Unless you're Dane"footinmymouth"McCloud. Then, look at the extra year and extra money!

[ThaVirus]

What's most hilarious about this thread is that Wilson is now under contract with Seattle until the end of the 2019 season, making it a five year deal, not four.

If he sees every penny of this $87.5 million dollar deal, it'll average $17.5 million per.

That's a little different than $25 million per, except if you have remedial math skills like Hootie.


Those are the perks of signing someone to an extension. The player doesn't have to play for peanuts in the final year of his original contract and the team gets to spread out the cap hit/cost over more years.

[Hootie]

Those are the perks of signing someone to an extension. The player doesn't have to play for peanuts in the final year of his original contract and the team gets to spread out the cap hit/cost over more years.
Dane doesn't understand how to handle being wrong, which is odd, because it happens so frequently

[ThaVirus]

Generally speaking, you don't want your young, ascending superstars in a contract year, particularly a QB, because then they've REALLY got you by the balls.

[SAUTO]

Those are the perks of signing someone to an extension. The player doesn't have to play for peanuts in the final year of his original contract and the team gets to spread out the cap hit/cost over more years.

whats his cap hit this year?

[ThaVirus]

whats his cap hit this year?


I don't believe those details have been released yet

[DaneMcCloud]

Dane doesn't understand how to handle being wrong, which is odd, because it happens so frequently

LMAO

There is no one that's wrong more frequently than you.

And he did not receive $25 million per nor $80 million guaranteed nor $110 million overall.

Shut the fuck up, Hootie.

[DaneMcCloud]

Only look at guaranteed money ... Unless you're Dane"footinmymouth"McCloud. Then, look at the extra year and extra money!

Yeah, Wilson just set a new standard for QB's.

:rolleyes:

[SAUTO]

I don't believe those details have been released yet

but you are saying the bonus is spread out over more years because its an extension.


im not sure that true, he's still getting paid 1.5 million base this season by the looks of things

[DaneMcCloud]

but you are saying the bonus is spread out over more years because its an extension.


im not sure that true, he's still getting paid 1.5 million base this season by the looks of things

There seems to be confusion about the contract details. I've read that the total value is $87.5 million with $60 million guaranteed, which averages to $21.9 million per.

But I've also read that this four year extension is tacked on to his 2015 season, locking him up until 2019, not 2018.

If that's the case, it's $17.5 million per year.

[SAUTO]

There seems to be confusion about the contract details. I've read that the total value is $87.5 million with $60 million guaranteed, which averages to $21.9 million per.

But I've also read that this four year extension is tacked on to his 2015 season, locking him up until 2019, not 2018.

If that's the case, it's $17.5 million per year.

im pretty sure its the latter.

[SAUTO]

There seems to be confusion about the contract details. I've read that the total value is $87.5 million with $60 million guaranteed, which averages to $21.9 million per.

But I've also read that this four year extension is tacked on to his 2015 season, locking him up until 2019, not 2018.

If that's the case, it's $17.5 million per year.

rappaport has a tweet that breaks it down by year.


its an extension. contract runs through 2019

[DaneMcCloud]

rappaport has a tweet that breaks it down by year.


its an extension. contract runs through 2019

So then, on average, it's just $17.5 million per year.

Suck it, Hootie.

[Saul Good]

This is pretty simple stuff...

How many extra years of team control did Seattle get? How much will he get paid during those extra years? How much more money is Wilson getting for the last year of his original contract?

He is under team control for four extra years. During those years, he will be earning something like $88,000,000. That's roughly $22,000,000 per year. You then have to add in the additional money (if any) they are paying him for the year he was already under contract, because that money is directly attributable to the extra four years.

[SAUTO]

This is pretty simple stuff...

How many extra years of team control did Seattle get? How much will he get paid during those extra years? How much more money is Wilson getting for the last year of his original contract?

He is under team control for four extra years. During those years, he will be earning something like $88,000,000. That's roughly $22,000,000 per year. You then have to add in the additional money (if any) they are paying him for the year he was already under contract, because that money is directly attributable to the extra four years.
So he has roughly a 5 year 89.5 million dollar contract.

averages less than 18 million a year, right?

[DaneMcCloud]

This is pretty simple stuff...

How many extra years of team control did Seattle get? How much will he get paid during those extra years? How much more money is Wilson getting for the last year of his original contract?

He is under team control for four extra years. During those years, he will be earning something like $88,000,000. That's roughly $22,000,000 per year. You then have to add in the additional money (if any) they are paying him for the year he was already under contract, because that money is directly attributable to the extra four years.

No. It's an extension. It's not a four year deal. It's a four year extension.

He's under contract for five years with a total contract value of $87.5 million, which averages $17.5 million per year.

[SAUTO]

Russell Wilson’s extension: $31M to sign. Base salaries: $700K in ’15, $12.34M in ’16, $12.6M in ’17, $15.5M in ’18, $17M in ’19.

[Saul Good]

So he has roughly a 5 year 89.5 million dollar contract.

averages less than 18 million a year, right?

They added 4 years and $88 million to his deal. This math is very simple.

[DaneMcCloud]

Russell Wilson’s extension: $31M to sign. Base salaries: $700K in ’15, $12.34M in ’16, $12.6M in ’17, $15.5M in ’18, $17M in ’19.

The base salary adds up to $58,140,000, so slightly less than his guarantee.

[SAUTO]

They added 4 years and $88 million to his deal. This math is very simple.

so the math i just did?

[DaneMcCloud]

They added 4 years and $88 million to his deal. This math is very simple.

And he's under contract for 5 years, with a total value of $87.5 million dollars.

$17.5 million per.

Alex Smith money.

[Hootie]

everyone does realize that Aaron Rodgers 5 year $110M deal was also an extension, right? Right? Anyone? Anyone?

It's guaranteed money. Russ gets a bunch of guaranteed money, up front. He essentially bet on himself while also guaranteeing himself a lifetime of money. Now, come 2018, if he's a top 3 QB in the NFL (which I think he will be), Seattle is going to have to extend him, AGAIN, towards his age 30 season. Then he'll get a MONSTER fucking contract ... whereas, Rodgers won't be able to do that.

There is no way Wilson ever plays 2019 at that number. It simple WILL not happen. He'll either be long gone, or extended in 2018. That's how it works.

So in 2018, when he's a top 3 NFL QB, he'll probably get something like 5 years, $130M extension with inflation at like $90M guaranteed.

[Urc Burry]

Aaron Rodgers contract was also an extension. It was just his 3rd contract, so he was at 10ish before. I don't get the big deal... They got the same amount per in NEW money. Is that easier?

[Hootie]

And he's under contract for 5 years, with a total value of $87.5 million dollars.

$17.5 million per.

Alex Smith money.

LMAO

you're not FACTORING IN the fact Smith was EXTENDED

EXTENDED

EXTENDED

So for Smith, you're counting his 4 years, $68M EXTENSION as $17M per ... and Rodgers' ... but then for Wilson, you're also factoring the last year of his rookie contract and then saying, "see! $17.5M per year!!!!!"

yet you're not doing that for Smith or Rodgers ... who were also on their 2nd contracts, not rookie contracts

you're a fucking moron

[Saul Good]

This place is hysterical.

[Hootie]

Romo was an EXTENSION
Rodgers was an EXTENSION
Smith was an EXTENSION

EVERY. FUCKING. QB. IS. AN. EXTENSION.

Yet Dane is trying to win a battle he has already lost by factoring in the final year of Wilson's original contract to try and say he's making Alex Smith money while totally ignoring every other QB's EXTENSION YEAR

it's hilariously stupid

[DaneMcCloud]

LMAO

you're not FACTORING IN the fact Smith was EXTENDED

EXTENDED

EXTENDED

So for Smith, you're counting his 4 years, $68M EXTENSION as $17M per ... and Rodgers' ... but then for Wilson, you're also factoring the last year of his rookie contract and then saying, "see! $17.5M per year!!!!!"

yet you're not doing that for Smith or Rodgers ... who were also on their 2nd contracts, not rookie contracts

you're a fucking moron

Could you be any dumber?

Russell Wilson is under contract for 5 years, $87.5 million in total. If he sees every penny of that contract, it's $17.5 million per year.

How in the fucking world is it that you don't even understand simple math, Pizza Boy?

[Hootie]

so if Wilson played out his rookie contract this year and signed that 4 year deal after the season ... he'd be making $22M per year

but since he was extended, suddenly he's only making $17M per year because for some reason we are factoring in the last year of his rookie contract for some reason

...yet we don't do that with Smith, Rodgers, or Romo ... who were all on 3rd contracts

I mean ... good God

[Hootie]

but don't worry ... in 5 years Dane will try and say we misunderstood the fact he wouldn't trade 2 1sts for Wilson ... he was never asked if he'd trade 3, which he clearly would have ... he was just never asked

[DaneMcCloud]

so if Wilson played out his rookie contract this year and signed that 4 year deal after the season ... he'd be making $22M per year

but since he was extended, suddenly he's only making $17M per year because for some reason we are factoring in the last year of his rookie contract for some reason

...yet we don't do that with Smith, Rodgers, or Romo ... who were all on 3rd contracts

I mean ... good God

You are a fucking idiot. I wouldn't trust you to make change with a $20 bill.

One more time, Wilson has a BRAND NEW CONTRACT. While it adds $87.5 million in new money, he's under contract for 5 years.

His rookie contract no longer exists. Kaput. No where in sight.

If Russell Wilson meets every single escalator, he'll earn $87.5 million over the course of 5 years. Got it? $87.5 million for five years.

That is, on average, $17.5 million per year.

And that is ALL that matters.

[Hootie]

you realize the 5 for 110 with 80 guaranteed WAS AN EXTENSION PREDICTION, right?

ALL OF THESE FUCKING CONTRACTS ARE EXTENSIONS. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. ALWAYS.

ALEX SMITH? EXTENSION.
AARON RODGERS? EXTENSION.
TONY ROMO? YOU GUESSED IT! EXTENSION.

4 for 88 with 60 IS 5 for 110 with 80

you do realize that, right?

[Eleazar]

Hootie doesn't deal with losing very well. May I suggest something from the bar?

[ViperVisor]

Nonsense

Nobody says Smith is a 15mil per commitment for KC because of when he signed the future commitment contract

[ThaVirus]

but you are saying the bonus is spread out over more years because its an extension.





im not sure that true, he's still getting paid 1.5 million base this season by the looks of things


The bonus will be spread over all years of the current contract, which includes the final year of his old contract.

So instead of having a, let's say, $1 million cap hit for 2015, a 1/5th portion of his signing bonus will accelerate and hit the cap this year alleviating some of the cap hit from later years.

When you're talking about divvying up a $31 million signing bonus over five or six years as opposed to four, the difference can wind up being pretty significant.

[ThaVirus]

It's funny how people can view the same information and come to completely different conclusions

[BigMeatballDave]

It's funny how people can view the same information and come to completely different conclusions

Yeah, this. All I know is he's a very wealthy 26 yr old. :)

[Saul Good]

The fact that people are trying to pretend that the portion of the contract that isn't part of the extension is in any way relevant to this deal shows how dumb some posters on here really are.

They added four years and $88,000,000 to his deal. The fact that he still has a year left under the old contract is immaterial to the value of the extension.

[DaneMcCloud]

4 for 88 with 60 IS 5 for 110 with 80

you do realize that, right?

LMAO

Russell Wilson did not agree to play for the Seattle Seahawks from 2015 to 2019, which is five seasons, for $110 million or an average of $22 million per year.

Russell Wilson DID agree to play for the Seattle Seahawks from 2015 to 2019, which is five seasons, for $87.5 million, or an average of $17.5 million per year.

5 year contract, $17.5 million per year. It can't be any simpler than that.

[DaneMcCloud]

The fact that people are trying to pretend that the portion of the contract that isn't part of the extension is in any way relevant to this deal shows how dumb some posters on here really are.

They added four years and $88,000,000 to his deal. The fact that he still has a year left under the old contract is immaterial to the value of the extension.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

He's no longer playing under his rookie contract. He has a completely new contract with the Seattle Seahawks, with $60 million guaranteed and total value of $87.5 million.

He's not playing on a one year deal, he's playing under a five year contract, which averages $17.5 million per year, IF he meets all of the contract escalators but his base salaries equal $58.5 million.

IF he had signed a four year deal through 2018, he'd be earning $21.9 million over the course of the contract but he signed a FIVE YEAR deal, which averages $17.5 million.

[Eleazar]

LMAO

Russell Wilson did not agree to play for the Seattle Seahawks from 2015 to 2019, which is five seasons, for $110 million or an average of $22 million per year.

Russell Wilson DID agree to play for the Seattle Seahawks from 2015 to 2019, which is five seasons, for $87.5 million, or an average of $17.5 million per year.

5 year contract, $17.5 million per year. It can't be any simpler than that.

$17.5 million is a fair deal for Wilson. That annual average figure would put him in the #8-12 range compared to the rest of the league's QB salaries for 2015.

[DaneMcCloud]

$17.5 million is a fair deal for Wilson. That annual average figure would put him in the #8-12 range compared to the rest of the league's QB salaries for 2015.

It's a great deal for Seattle and a nice deal for Wilson. $60 million guaranteed will most certainly set him and his family up for generations and there's no risk of an injury derailing a future payday.

If Wilson fails to hit any escalators (unlikely but possible, if there's an injury), the contract averages to completely manageable $12 million per year.

[eDave]

The ESPN piece with Wilson is cringe worthy. Such sad music.

[DaneMcCloud]

Just for Pizza Boy:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25255491/report-russell-wilson-seahawks-sign-4-year-876m-extension

1. Average Per Year: Wilson will have the second-highest average per year of all quarterbacks in the NFL at $21.9 million per year, just a hair under Aaron Rodgers contract with the Packers ($22 million). Assuming, of course, you only count the extension. Add in Russell's current $1.5 million in the 2015 season and Wilson is getting paid $17.82 million per year. That addition moves him from sitting in between Rodgers and Roethlisberger to sitting between Tony Romo and Matthew Stafford. Which is kind of funny because of where people would place Wilson among the hierarchy of quarterbacks

[Bufkin]

Why are we calling Hootie Pizza Boy? I know there's a good story behind it.

[Urc Burry]

Just for Pizza Boy:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25255491/report-russell-wilson-seahawks-sign-4-year-876m-extension

1. Average Per Year: Wilson will have the second-highest average per year of all quarterbacks in the NFL at $21.9 million per year, just a hair under Aaron Rodgers contract with the Packers ($22 million). Assuming, of course, you only count the extension. Add in Russell's current $1.5 million in the 2015 season and Wilson is getting paid $17.82 million per year. That addition moves him from sitting in between Rodgers and Roethlisberger to sitting between Tony Romo and Matthew Stafford. Which is kind of funny because of where people would place Wilson among the hierarchy of quarterbacks

You keep bending the contract your way to make it look like you're right. If we're using that logic Justin Houston signed for a shit load more than JJ Watt because Watt still had some more years left on his rookie deal. 13.75 vs 16.7 if my math is right.. It's all about the new money when discussing extensions

[DaneMcCloud]

You keep bending the contract your way to make it look like you're right. If we're using that logic Justin Houston signed for a shit load more than JJ Watt because Watt still had some more years left on his rookie deal. 13.75 vs 16.7 if my math is right.. It's all about the new money when discussing extensions

LMAO

How many years is Wilson now signed to play for the Seattle Seahawks?

How much money will he make during those years?

You can't say "Well, it's an extension and he's only making $1.5 million this year" when he's been given a $31 million dollar signing bonus.

Plus, his contract has been completely re-written and the old rookie contract no longer exists.

[Urc Burry]

LMAO

How many years is Wilson now signed to play for the Seattle Seahawks?

How much money will he make during those years?

You can't say "Well, it's an extension and he's only making $1.5 million this year" when he's been given a $31 million dollar signing bonus.

Plus, his contract has been completely re-written and the old rookie contract no longer exists.

Okay so why are you acting like Aaron Rodgers is making so much more? If you do the same to his contract he is making $18.4/per

[MagicHef]

LMAO

How many years is Wilson now signed to play for the Seattle Seahawks?

How much money will he make during those years?

You can't say "Well, it's an extension and he's only making $1.5 million this year" when he's been given a $31 million dollar signing bonus.

Plus, his contract has been completely re-written and the old rookie contract no longer exists.

By the same logic, Rodgers actually signed a 7 year, $129 million contract, for an average of $18.4 million per year.

[DaneMcCloud]

Okay so why are you acting like Aaron Rodgers is making so much more? If you do the same to his contract he is making $18.4/per

I never said a single word about Aaron Rodgers or his deal.

[DaneMcCloud]

By the same logic, Rodgers actually signed a 7 year, $129 million contract, for an average of $18.4 million per year.

It's not "logic", it's fact.

Agents and teams throw out all the crazy ass numbers to wow and impress people, but the books say otherwise.

If Aaron Rodgers is currently playing on a 7 year, $129 million dollar contract (and I'm just using your numbers, not looking them up), then he's averaging $18.4 million per year, that is, if he hits all of his escalators.

It's pretty simple.

[eDave]

ROFL

This thread has gone full retard.

[Hootie]

Dane is bashing me for suggesting Wilson would get 5 years, $110M and $80M guaranteed.

Instead, he got 4 years, $88M and $60M guaranteed.

But now, his argument is that I am an idiot because I didn't say extension ... when, as pointed out with Rodgers' deal (which is what I based my 5/110/80 on) is also an extension, now Dane says, "so!."

What?

God he's dumb.

[Hootie]

Every QB who signs a mega deal (sans Peyton Manning who was coming off injury), signs an extension. It's implied. So when someone says, "Russell will get 5/110 with 80", it's implied that it is going to be an extension to his current deal.

I cannot believe we're arguing these semantics. It's hilarious.

Of course, Dane is the same guy who concludes Russell is getting Alex money because he added the last year of Russell's rookie deal to Russ's new money and failed to do the same with Alex because he's a god damn, mouth breathing dumb fuck.

[Sassy Squatch]

You guys will find the dumbest shit to argue over.

[MagicHef]

It's not "logic", it's fact.

Agents and teams throw out all the crazy ass numbers to wow and impress people, but the books say otherwise.

If Aaron Rodgers is currently playing on a 7 year, $129 million dollar contract (and I'm just using your numbers, not looking them up), then he's averaging $18.4 million per year, that is, if he hits all of his escalators.

It's pretty simple.

You're not incorrect.

However, most people tend to look at a deal in terms of comparing it to what would have happened if no deal had been signed, i.e. the original contract with no extension.

[Hootie]

You guys will find the dumbest shit to argue over.

Dane gets his foot stuck so far in his mouth it's actually impressive that he'll keep battling when he's ankle deep like that

[Hootie]

You're not incorrect.

However, most people tend to look at a deal in terms of comparing it to what would have happened if no deal had been signed, i.e. the original contract with no extension.

well, unless you're DaneMcCloud ... who realized, "oh shit, I'm wrong ... how can I try to spin this to save face!"

...and then they'll start adding years from the old contract to make the extension fit their prerogative ... while quoting other QB's like Rodgers' and Smith contract's as if they weren't extension contracts

[DaneMcCloud]

well, unless you're DaneMcCloud ... who realized, "oh shit, I'm wrong ... how can I try to spin this to save face!"

...and then they'll start adding years from the old contract to make the extension fit their prerogative ... while quoting other QB's like Rodgers' and Smith contract's as if they weren't extension contracts

It's clear that you have absolutely zero understanding of finances and accounting and prefer to parrot whatever you'd told by the media.

Unsurprising.

[Hootie]

It's clear that you have absolutely zero understanding of finances and accounting and prefer to parrot whatever you'd told by the media.

Unsurprising.
Lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

[BigMeatballDave]

Dane is bashing me for suggesting Wilson would get 5 years, $110M and $80M guaranteed.

Instead, he got 4 years, $88M of which $60M guaranteed.

But now, his argument is that I am an idiot because I didn't say extension ... when, as pointed out with Rodgers' deal (which is what I based my 5/110/80 on) is also an extension, now Dane says, "so!."

What?

God he's dumb.Fixed. The way you're writing it, makes it look like the contract value is $148m. :) Yeah, I'm nitpicking.

[DaneMcCloud]

Dane is bashing me for suggesting Wilson would get 5 years, $110M and $80M guaranteed.

Instead, he got 4 years, $88M and $60M guaranteed.

But now, his argument is that I am an idiot because I didn't say extension ... when, as pointed out with Rodgers' deal (which is what I based my 5/110/80 on) is also an extension, now Dane says, "so!."

What?

God he's dumb.

I'm not bashing you for your prediction. You said that you never threw out numbers, but you did, as proven by your quote.

I am, however, bashing you for your refusal to understand even simple math, which I've illustrated time and again and linked to a CBS Sports article that did the same.

I don't care for meaningless words like "extension". It's completely and utterly worthless. The fact of the matter is that Russell Wilson is now signed to the Seattle Seahawks for five seasons, with a maximum contractual value of $87.5 million, which divided by 5 seasons, equals $17.5 million dollars per season.

End of story.

[Saul Good]

Dane is so bad at this.

[Hootie]

So Russell, on his 2nd contract, is making $17.5 with a metric shit ton of guarantees while Aaron, on his 3rd contract, is making $18.9 with a metric shit ton of guarantees.

Way to prove your point, man! Oh, what point was that again? That I predicted $22M a year over 5 years and he ended up getting $22M a year over 4 years instead? Where did you get this $25M number from?

Oh ... wait ... I forgot ... when I said 5/110 I forgot to include the last year of his rookie deal ... because, you know, people do that (no they don't.)

Dane pulled $25M out of his ass ... realized I correctly predicted $22M (just 1 year short), and then now is suddenly referencing the final year of his contract as some "see, I told you so!" sort of ridiculous tactic so he doesn't have to admit that yes, he was wrong (per usual).

Typical DaneMcCloud.

[Hootie]

I truly didn't remember predicting 5/110, either. It's just hilarious that Dane used that as some sort of "omg what an idiot!"

[DaneMcCloud]

So Russell, on his 2nd contract, is making $17.5 with a metric shit ton of guarantees while Aaron, on his 3rd contract, is making $18.9 with a metric shit ton of guarantees.

Way to prove your point, man! Oh, what point was that again? That I predicted $22M a year over 5 years and he ended up getting $22M a year over 4 years instead? Where did you get this $25M number from?

Oh ... wait ... I forgot ... when I said 5/110 I forgot to include the last year of his rookie deal ... because, you know, people do that (no they don't.)

Dane pulled $25M out of his ass ... realized I correctly predicted $22M (just 1 year short), and then now is suddenly referencing the final year of his contract as some "see, I told you so!" sort of ridiculous tactic so he doesn't have to admit that yes, he was wrong (per usual).

Typical DaneMcCloud.

Who cares what you "predicted" but you?

And for the record, your "prediction" was wrong.

[DaneMcCloud]

Dane is so bad at this.

So, Russell Wilson doesn't have a 5 year agreement with the Seattle Seahawks for a maximum of $87.5 million dollars?

Russell Wilson's maximum contract value doesn't average to $17.5 million per year?

[Hootie]

Who cares what you "predicted" but you?

And for the record, your "prediction" was wrong.
Says the guy who wouldn't give picks for a "game manager" ... And now he's being paid like Aaron Rodgers LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

Says the guy who wouldn't give picks for a "game manager" ... And now he's being paid like Aaron Rodgers LMAO

I said that I wouldn't trade two picks AND pay $25 million per, which was his asking price.

I said it multiple times in the thread, Pizza Boy.

[Saul Good]

Your prediction was wrong, hootie. Really, really close...but wrong. You didn't not accurately predict the exact terms of the contract...only the fact that an agreement would be reached and the exact annual figure. Your number of years was off by 1. Ha ha. Pwnt

[ThaVirus]

Joe Flacco played out the entirety of his contract before he got a new one, correct?

[Hootie]

Joe Flacco played out the entirety of his contract before he got a new one, correct?
Before his playoff run, the thought was Baltimore was going to tag and trade him

[Hootie]

In other words, Flacco wasn't thought of as a franchise QB, at all. He was teetering between starting QB and Mark Sanchez up until that lucky ass playoff run. He's still vastly overrated but that run made him a metric shit ton of money

[beach tribe]

His contract has performance incentives. He gets another 10M guaranteed if he grows 2".

[Mr. Flopnuts]

In other words, Flacco wasn't thought of as a franchise QB, at all. He was teetering between starting QB and Mark Sanchez up until that lucky ass playoff run. He's still vastly overrated but that run made him a metric shit ton of money

I wonder if Russ went and picked up a bag of McDonald's to celebrate today like Joe did!

[SAUTO]

Russell Wilson contract details begin to emerge

Posted by Mike Florio on July 31, 2015, 5:45 PM EDT
USA - 2014 300 dpi Chris Ware caricature of Russell Wilson, quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks of the National Football League. (MCT via Getty Images)
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“New money” has become one of the great fictions in the assessment of NFL contracts. But, you know, when in Rome.

For Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, the headline is that he signed a four-year, $87.6 million extension, with a new-money average of $21.9 million. The truth is that the last year of his current contract, at a base salary of $1.542 million, has been ripped up and replaced with a new five-year, $89.1 million deal.

But since the average of the total five-year deal is $17.8 million, it won’t be characterized that way when it comes to deciding whose is bigger.

For Wilson, the details of the five-year, $89.1 million deal have begun to emerge. With one important key metric still missing.

The signing bonus, per multiple reports, is $31 million. The total guarantee, per multiple reports, is $60 million. The amount fully guaranteed of the remaining $29 million in guarantees remains unknown.

It’s a key point because the Seahawks and Wilson’s agent had been squabbling about the portion of the contract that will be fully guaranteed at signing, since future fully-guaranteed payments must be placed into escrow now. (To raise the money, Gantt could have organized a bake sale for owner Paul Allen.)

The Dolphins fully guaranteed $60 million of defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh’s contract. For Wilson, the question is whether and to what extent he has fully-guaranteed payments beyond the $31 million signing bonus.

The base salaries are, via Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, $700,000 in 2015, $12.34 million in 2016, $12.6 million in 2017, $15.5 million in 2018, and $17 million in 2019.

This makes the cap numbers $6.9 million in 2015 (plus any remaining bonus proration from his rookie deal), $18.54 million in 2016, $18.8 million in 2017, $21.7 million in 2018, and $23.2 million in 2019.

As the salary cap continues to climb, Wilson won’t last long as the second highest-paid player in the NFL. From Eli Manning to Philip Rivers to Andrew Luck to other young quarterbacks who become stars, the bar soon will be pushed to $23 million, $25 million, and beyond.

By 2019, Wilson’s salary of $17 million will be middle-of-the-pack at best. Before then, if he keeps playing like he has, Wilson likely will have another new deal.

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[notorious]

Sauto just smiles at Dane and Hootie and stirs the pot some more.

[DaneMcCloud]

His contract has performance incentives. He gets another 10M guaranteed if he grows 2".

LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

I wonder if Russ went and picked up a bag of McDonald's to celebrate today like Joe did!

No idea but his ex-wife said "Damn!" just as Golden Tate came on her face

[Mr. Flopnuts]

No idea but his ex-wife said "Damn!" just as Golden Tate came on her face

ROFL ROFL ROFL

[Hootie]

Russell Wilson contract details begin to emerge

Posted by Mike Florio on July 31, 2015, 5:45 PM EDT
USA - 2014 300 dpi Chris Ware caricature of Russell Wilson, quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks of the National Football League. (MCT via Getty Images)
Getty Images
“New money” has become one of the great fictions in the assessment of NFL contracts. But, you know, when in Rome.

For Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, the headline is that he signed a four-year, $87.6 million extension, with a new-money average of $21.9 million. The truth is that the last year of his current contract, at a base salary of $1.542 million, has been ripped up and replaced with a new five-year, $89.1 million deal.

But since the average of the total five-year deal is $17.8 million, it won’t be characterized that way when it comes to deciding whose is bigger.

For Wilson, the details of the five-year, $89.1 million deal have begun to emerge. With one important key metric still missing.

The signing bonus, per multiple reports, is $31 million. The total guarantee, per multiple reports, is $60 million. The amount fully guaranteed of the remaining $29 million in guarantees remains unknown.

It’s a key point because the Seahawks and Wilson’s agent had been squabbling about the portion of the contract that will be fully guaranteed at signing, since future fully-guaranteed payments must be placed into escrow now. (To raise the money, Gantt could have organized a bake sale for owner Paul Allen.)

The Dolphins fully guaranteed $60 million of defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh’s contract. For Wilson, the question is whether and to what extent he has fully-guaranteed payments beyond the $31 million signing bonus.

The base salaries are, via Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, $700,000 in 2015, $12.34 million in 2016, $12.6 million in 2017, $15.5 million in 2018, and $17 million in 2019.

This makes the cap numbers $6.9 million in 2015 (plus any remaining bonus proration from his rookie deal), $18.54 million in 2016, $18.8 million in 2017, $21.7 million in 2018, and $23.2 million in 2019.

As the salary cap continues to climb, Wilson won’t last long as the second highest-paid player in the NFL. From Eli Manning to Philip Rivers to Andrew Luck to other young quarterbacks who become stars, the bar soon will be pushed to $23 million, $25 million, and beyond.

By 2019, Wilson’s salary of $17 million will be middle-of-the-pack at best. Before then, if he keeps playing like he has, Wilson likely will have another new deal.

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Oh, so he'll get another extension before 2019!? No way! Dane is a fucking idiot

[DaneMcCloud]

Oh, so he'll get another extension before 2019!? No way! Dane is a fucking idiot

You just can't stand being wrong, can you, Pizza Boy?

[ThaVirus]

Russell Wilson contract details begin to emerge



Posted by Mike Florio on July 31, 2015, 5:45 PM EDT

USA - 2014 300 dpi Chris Ware caricature of Russell Wilson, quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks of the National Football League. (MCT via Getty Images)

Getty Images

“New money” has become one of the great fictions in the assessment of NFL contracts. But, you know, when in Rome.



For Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, the headline is that he signed a four-year, $87.6 million extension, with a new-money average of $21.9 million. The truth is that the last year of his current contract, at a base salary of $1.542 million, has been ripped up and replaced with a new five-year, $89.1 million deal.



But since the average of the total five-year deal is $17.8 million, it won’t be characterized that way when it comes to deciding whose is bigger.



For Wilson, the details of the five-year, $89.1 million deal have begun to emerge. With one important key metric still missing.



The signing bonus, per multiple reports, is $31 million. The total guarantee, per multiple reports, is $60 million. The amount fully guaranteed of the remaining $29 million in guarantees remains unknown.



It’s a key point because the Seahawks and Wilson’s agent had been squabbling about the portion of the contract that will be fully guaranteed at signing, since future fully-guaranteed payments must be placed into escrow now. (To raise the money, Gantt could have organized a bake sale for owner Paul Allen.)



The Dolphins fully guaranteed $60 million of defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh’s contract. For Wilson, the question is whether and to what extent he has fully-guaranteed payments beyond the $31 million signing bonus.



The base salaries are, via Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, $700,000 in 2015, $12.34 million in 2016, $12.6 million in 2017, $15.5 million in 2018, and $17 million in 2019.



This makes the cap numbers $6.9 million in 2015 (plus any remaining bonus proration from his rookie deal), $18.54 million in 2016, $18.8 million in 2017, $21.7 million in 2018, and $23.2 million in 2019.



As the salary cap continues to climb, Wilson won’t last long as the second highest-paid player in the NFL. From Eli Manning to Philip Rivers to Andrew Luck to other young quarterbacks who become stars, the bar soon will be pushed to $23 million, $25 million, and beyond.



By 2019, Wilson’s salary of $17 million will be middle-of-the-pack at best. Before then, if he keeps playing like he has, Wilson likely will have another new deal.



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So this settles our debate from earlier.

His base salary for 2015 would have been $1.5 mil and his cap hit would have been $1.6 mil. The new contract changed everything. Now his base salary in 2015 will be $700,000 and his cap hit shoots up to $6.9 mil.

[Hootie]

You just can't stand being wrong, can you, Pizza Boy?
I don't know what to tell you, man. I really don't. I was right, you were wrong. There is no debate. It happens

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't know what to tell you, man. I really don't. I was right, you were wrong. There is no debate. It happens

What were you right about, exactly?

[Smed1065]

I'm not bashing you for your prediction. You said that you never threw out numbers, but you did, as proven by your quote.

I am, however, bashing you for your refusal to understand even simple math, which I've illustrated time and again and linked to a CBS Sports article that did the same.

I don't care for meaningless words like "extension". It's completely and utterly worthless. The fact of the matter is that Russell Wilson is now signed to the Seattle Seahawks for five seasons, with a maximum contractual value of $87.5 million, which divided by 5 seasons, equals $17.5 million dollars per season.

End of story.

The same media you accused of uninformed people watch (believe) previous in this thread?

:)

[DaneMcCloud]

The same media you accused of uninformed people watch (believe) previous in this thread?

:)

?

[Smed1065]

What were you right about, exactly?

That he would have received the rookie salary without and extension? :banghead:

Not the move to include a rookie wage that is slotted now.

[Smed1065]

?

Mass media. CBS.

My bad I think that was the Tom thread. But did say media bias.

[Anyong Bluth]

Praise be Jesus, and unused genitalia.

[Eleazar]

I don't know what to tell you, man. I really don't. I was right, you were wrong. There is no debate. It happens

There is not a single aspect of this debate that you have been right about.

[Hootie]

There is not a single aspect of this debate that you have been right about.
Please, by all means, elaborate

[Rausch]

Please, by all means, elaborate

Please do. I have no idea what this argument is about...

[Hootie]

I predicted Russell would get 5/110 with 80 and he got 4/88 with 60 and somehow that makes me an idiot

[Rausch]

I predicted Russell would get 5/110 with 80 and he got 4/88 with 60 and somehow that makes me an idiot

And this is not an extension, right? This is a new deal?

[Hootie]

And this is not an extension, right? This is a new deal?
I didn't specify, so apparently that makes me even dumber. You know, because every QB contract isn't an extension or anything.

[Rausch]

I didn't specify, so apparently that makes me even dumber. You know, because every QB contract isn't an extension or anything.

Slow your fucking roll egor, I'm honestly asking. Was he a FA this offseason?...

[Eleazar]

And this is not an extension, right? This is a new deal?

he didn't, he got 5/88 with 60.

[Hootie]

Slow your fucking roll egor, I'm honestly asking. Was he a FA this offseason?...
This was the final year of his rookie deal

[Rausch]

This was the final year of his rookie deal

Based on this I'd guess it's a 2 year deal asking him to "prove it" that the team can opt out of in year 3.

Just me guessing.

[Rausch]

he didn't, he got 5/88 with 60.

Are the years and guaranteed money correct here?...

[Saul Good]

There is nobody in the world who would have taken a comment about a new contract to have included the last year of the current deal. Anyone pretending otherwise is flat out lying. The new contract/extension/whatever talk was 100% in reference to additional years and additional money beyond the current contract. He got four additional years. He's getting 88 million additional dollars. That's $22,000,000 per year for four years. Hootie guessed $22,000,000 per year for five years. If anything, that would have been a better deal for Seattle because adding a fifth year to the contract would have been the most expensive year and likely would have made the extension more like 5/$115,000,000.

[Saul Good]

Are the years and guaranteed money correct here?...

No. The extension was 4/88.

[Shaid]

Pretty much everyone here thought Berry was done. I have tried to explain that he didn't have the same thing an elderly relative you may have saw struggle with cancer had, that Berry's was very treatable, but no one seemed to take notice. (I'm surprised he is back in pads this year vs next year but I thought he would be back) Dane's view was shared by almost everyone here, he wasn't sticking his neck out to be dumb.

Yeah, not really. I was pretty sure he'd be back but I didn't expect this year. I am not sure that he's needed(at his contract level) with how the rest of the D has been playing but perhaps they can start to use him in smarter ways going forward. He does shoot run gaps nicely which was very much missing last year. Same with DJ.

[O.city]

Here you guys go, lacanfora broke it all down.


http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25256608/inside-the-numbers-russell-wilsons-deal-broken-down-year-by-year

[Brock]

There is nobody in the world who would have taken a comment about a new contract to have included the last year of the current deal. Anyone pretending otherwise is flat out lying. The new contract/extension/whatever talk was 100% in reference to additional years and additional money beyond the current contract. He got four additional years. He's getting 88 million additional dollars. That's $22,000,000 per year for four years. Hootie guessed $22,000,000 per year for five years. If anything, that would have been a better deal for Seattle because adding a fifth year to the contract would have been the most expensive year and likely would have made the extension more like 5/$115,000,000.

Yep. People are just trying to spin it.

[Rausch]

Here you guys go, lacanfora broke it all down.


http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25256608/inside-the-numbers-russell-wilsons-deal-broken-down-year-by-year

With the cap soaring and with quarterback salaries on the rise, these sides could easily be back at the bargaining table by 2017.

Called it.

It's a "prove it or lose it" deal...

[Rausch]

Yep. People are just trying to spin it.

So this is just another "close, but not EXACTLY spot on" ripping of a contract prediction?

Feh...

[Saul Good]

So this is just another "close, but not EXACTLY spot on" ripping of a contract prediction?

Feh...

...by people who predicted Wilson would be traded or not re-signed, no less.

[Rausch]

...by people who predicted Wilson would be traded or not re-signed, no less.

I could see a trade if it happened before the draft...

[Hootie]

Called it.

It's a "prove it or lose it" deal...

:spock:

he got $60M guaranteed

so if Russell flat out falls on his dick, he'll get $60M no matter what. He got $31M just to sign his name.

This isn't a "prove it or lose it" deal. It's a massive deal. $60M guaranteed. Rodgers got $53M on his extension. (Note, extension. Apparently you have to mention it as an extension otherwise you're a moron).

What they mean is ... by 2017 or 2018, if Russell develops the way they think he will with this contract (into a top 2, top 3 NFL QB), they'll have to extend him, again, with a hoard of new money, again, before the 2018 season.

[Rausch]

What they mean is ... by 2017 or 2018, if Russell develops the way they think he will with this contract (into a top 2, top 3 NFL QB), they'll have to extend him, again, with a hoard of new money, again, before the 2018 season.

Or they can renegotiate to make it more affordable to trade him...

[ThaVirus]

Trade a top 2 or 3 QB?

[Hootie]

I could see a trade if it happened before the draft...

dude, Russell Wilson was NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER going to be traded. They could have offered two drafts for the guy and Seattle still would have said no.

It was typical negotiation bullshit by both sides.

You know, the same kind of thing that happened with us and Houston.

Only ... we're talking franchise QB here. Franchise QB's don't get traded. It's not possible. It was never a realistic scenario. Hilariously, we had a conglomerate of folk who wouldn't give up two 1st round picks for the guy. You know, a franchise that hasn't had a franchise QB since Len Dawson.

Smart fan base.

[O.city]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/01/russell-wilsons-full-guarantee-at-signing-31-7-million/

So only 31 mil is fully guaranteed, if I'm reading that right

[SAUTO]

:spock:

he got $60M guaranteed

so if Russell flat out falls on his dick, he'll get $60M no matter what. He got $31M just to sign his name.

This isn't a "prove it or lose it" deal. It's a massive deal. $60M guaranteed. Rodgers got $53M on his extension. (Note, extension. Apparently you have to mention it as an extension otherwise you're a moron).

What they mean is ... by 2017 or 2018, if Russell develops the way they think he will with this contract (into a top 2, top 3 NFL QB), they'll have to extend him, again, with a hoard of new money, again, before the 2018 season.


No he didn't.

He got 31.7 fully guaranteed.

The rest is only guaranteed for injury.

[ThaVirus]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/01/russell-wilsons-full-guarantee-at-signing-31-7-million/

So only 31 mil is fully guaranteed, if I'm reading that right


He'll see all of it. The only way they can get out of it is cutting him before the contract expires and they're not going to do that.

[ThaVirus]

This motherfucker is going to get $20 mil on August 10th then the final $11 mil of his signing bonus in April.

Just like that, he goes from a net worth of maybe $2 mil to tens of millions.

[SAUTO]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/01/russell-wilsons-full-guarantee-at-signing-31-7-million/

So only 31 mil is fully guaranteed, if I'm reading that right

Yep.

[SAUTO]

He'll see all of it. The only way they can get out of it is cutting him before the contract expires and they're not going to do that.

It's still far off from 60 guaranteed. Even farther from 80...

[Saul Good]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/01/russell-wilsons-full-guarantee-at-signing-31-7-million/

So only 31 mil is fully guaranteed, if I'm reading that right

That's technically true. I mean, they could theoretically cut him for non injury reasons and take a $25,000,000 cap hit if he suddenly forgets how to play football.

[ThaVirus]

It's still far off from 60 guaranteed. Even farther from 80...


LMAO

You guys are seriously arguing over the minutiae.

Everyone is a little right, no one is 100% correct. Let's just move on.

[ThaVirus]

This motherfucker is going to get $20 mil on August 10th then the final $11 mil of his signing bonus in April.

Just like that, he goes from a net worth of maybe $2 mil to tens of millions.


And he'll be a hundred millionaire before his 30th birthday.

[Hootie]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/01/russell-wilsons-full-guarantee-at-signing-31-7-million/

So only 31 mil is fully guaranteed, if I'm reading that right

I suppose. I think QB is the one position you can pretty much guarantee won't ever be cut. Unless he goes full Geno Smith, which I highly doubt.

The article says as much, too. The only thing I could see happening is Russell doesn't live up to his hype and he plays out the contract through 2019 rather than getting a brand new extension (a la Tony Romo) before the 2018 season (which I'll predict will happen).

I think his 2018 extension will be something like 5/130/90

Of course, I truly think Wilson will be thought of as a top 2 NFL QB by the end of this season.

[SAUTO]

LMAO

You guys are seriously arguing over the minutiae.

Everyone is a little right, no one is 100% correct. Let's just move on.

30 to 50 MILLION is minutiae in your mind? Damn man what's your net worth?

[Hootie]

30 to 50 MILLION is minutiae in your mind? Damn man what's your net worth?

would be different if it was 5/88 and not 4/88

I was off by a year, I was dead on with money. Unless you think Russell won't be in the NFL in 2020.

[SAUTO]

would be different if it was 5/88 and not 4/88

I was off by a year, I was dead on with money. Unless you think Russell won't be in the NFL in 2020.

It is actually 5-89.5 you weren't even close in guarantees unless 50 MILLION off is close in your mind

[Hootie]

There is nobody in the world who would have taken a comment about a new contract to have included the last year of the current deal. Anyone pretending otherwise is flat out lying. The new contract/extension/whatever talk was 100% in reference to additional years and additional money beyond the current contract. He got four additional years. He's getting 88 million additional dollars. That's $22,000,000 per year for four years. Hootie guessed $22,000,000 per year for five years. If anything, that would have been a better deal for Seattle because adding a fifth year to the contract would have been the most expensive year and likely would have made the extension more like 5/$115,000,000.

Quoted for JASONSAUTO, who is a fucking moron.

[Hootie]

for the 19th time ...

AARON RODGERS SIGNED AN EXTENSION ...
ALEX SMITH SIGNED AN EXTENSION ...
TONY ROMO SIGNED AN EXTENSION ...

The only fucking QB that is a "franchise" QB that didn't sign an extension in the last 5 years is Joe Flacco, and that's because he fucking sucked, and Baltimore was going to move on from him before his miracle postseason.

[ThaVirus]

30 to 50 MILLION is minutiae in your mind? Damn man what's your net worth?


I was referring to the scope of this entire silly debate.

Technically what you, Dane and Cochise are arguing is correct, but you're also playing dumb in an effort to "win" the argument. No one ever discusses contracts with the inclusion of the final year of the old contract. We discuss things purely with new money in mind. And Hootie's prediction, though technically wrong, was actually pretty close, especially if you extrapolate by adding another year, which they could have easily done.

NB4 BUT THEY DIDNT SO HOOTIES RONG!!!11!!!

[Hootie]

How in the fuck are people even arguing this? I should learn how to be a bigger person, but I'm stubborn. I mean, what the fuck.

[Rausch]

dude, Russell Wilson was NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER going to be traded. They could have offered two drafts for the guy and Seattle still would have said no.

It was typical negotiation bullshit by both sides.

You know, the same kind of thing that happened with us and Houston.

Only ... we're talking franchise QB here. Franchise QB's don't get traded. It's not possible. It was never a realistic scenario. Hilariously, we had a conglomerate of folk who wouldn't give up two 1st round picks for the guy. You know, a franchise that hasn't had a franchise QB since Len Dawson.

Smart fan base.

I'd agree and be sure to sign him if it were my team.

People forget that Brady was a game manager his first 3 years. They won 5 playoff games by 7 pts or less.

EVEN LAST YEAR Brady threw for 11ty billion yards in the SB and won by how many pts?...

[SAUTO]

Quoted for JASONSAUTO, who is a fucking moron.

Who cares what someone assumes what a five year deal WOULD been?

You were also 50 MILLION off in guaranteed money, which you were sure crowning about earlier.

And his fucking deal is a 5 year 89.5 million dollar deal. This year isn't even the same as it was going to be money-wise, base or cap hit.


They tore up his old deal and made a new 5 year deal. He was going to make 1.5 million, now it is 700k with a 6.something cap hit.

[Rausch]

It's a win-win.

Wilson will definitely get his money and Seattle can restructure later on and trade if they have to.

I don't think they will and I think Wilson will continue to evolve into the real deal...

[SAUTO]

Basically all this means to me is that the Seahawks aren't as sold on Wilson as Hootie seems to think they should be

[Hootie]

I'm just going to throw this out there, because I know this is what will happen:

Before the 2018 season, Russell Wilson is going to sign another contract [extension]. It's going to be for 5 years, $130 million with $90 million guaranteed and a $40 million dollar signing bonus. It is going to take on 5 years to his EXISTING deal which is set to expire after 2019.

Russell is going to be a Seahawk for life. He is going to win at least 1 more Super Bowl. And he's going to make a metric shit ton of money. This new deal was a brilliant deal for him because now, no matter what, he has $60M dollars (because they aren't going to cut Russell Wilson any time soon). But more than likely, this deal gives him more leverage to extend his deal even further after 2017.

[notorious]

http://brojsimpson.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/woman-motorcycle.gif

[Hootie]

They tore up his old deal and made a new 5 year deal. He was going to make 1.5 million, now it is 700k with a 6.something cap hit.

please give me an example of this happening

who's deal was ever "torn" up?

[Rausch]

Basically all this means to me is that the Seahawks aren't as sold on Wilson as Hootie seems to think they should be

They are big money sold for 4 years of hit.

They can tailor that by play if he $3its the bed after 2 or 3 years...

[Hootie]

Basically all this means to me is that the Seahawks aren't as sold on Wilson as Hootie seems to think they should be

what in the fuck are you talking about?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9215794/green-bay-packers-sign-aaron-rodgers-five-year-110-million-contract-extension-according-source

Rodgers signed AN EXTENSION for 5/110/62.5 guaranteed according to that link
Wilson signed AN EXTENSION for 4/88/60 guaranteed according to what I read

I guess the Packers aren't sold on Rodgers.

[BigMeatballDave]

what in the fuck are you talking about?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9215794/green-bay-packers-sign-aaron-rodgers-five-year-110-million-contract-extension-according-source

Rodgers signed AN EXTENSION for 5/110/62.5 guaranteed according to that link
Wilson signed AN EXTENSION for 4/88/60 guaranteed according to what I read

I guess the Packers aren't sold on Rodgers.

Rodgers is 5 years older. Huge difference.

[Hootie]

Rodgers will make $40 million in 2013, some of which is bonus money, a league source told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen. The deal will add five years on top of the two years Rodgers has remaining on his contract and will keep him in Green Bay through the 2019 season, a source told Schefter.

Gee, that sounds kinda familiar, eh?!

[Hootie]

Rodgers is 5 years older. Huge difference.

Yes, that was his 3rd contract.

Wilson will hit Rodgers' age when Rodgers' signed that MASSIVE extension when his FIRST extension (he just signed) runs out. Odds are, before the 2018 seasons, Wilson will sign his SECOND extension and I think it'll be along the lines of 5/130/90 that will tack on to his current deal that runs through 2019.

You see how this works?

[ThaVirus]

Basically all this means to me is that the Seahawks aren't as sold on Wilson as Hootie seems to think they should be

I don't think we can make that determination.

I'm not sure what the Seahawk's ultimate plan is, but every contract extension they've completed with big name guys since their Super Bowl win has been for 4 years.

Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Michael Bennett, Kam Chancellor, Russell Wilson. All of those guys are either elite or close to it and none got more than 4 years on an extension.

[Hootie]

the Dallas Cowboys and Tony Romo reached an agreement on a blockbuster six-year extension worth $108 million, making him the highest paid player in franchise history.

In the first year of the extension, Romo will make $26.5 million, and after two years, he will make $40 million. Romo's money over the first three years -- with the likelihood that Dallas keeps him the next three seasons -- will be $57 million.

All told, Romo now has a seven-year deal worth $119.5 million, of which $11.5 million was included as part of a $25 million signing bonus spread over the course of the deal. The $11.5 million is what Romo was set to make in 2013 before the extension.

OMG ALL QB'S SIGN EXTENSIONS AND DON'T HAVE THEIR DEALS TORN UP!?!?!? OMG! BREAKING NEWS!

[Rausch]

OMG ALL QB'S SIGN EXTENSIONS AND DON'T HAVE THEIR DEALS TORN UP!?!?!? OMG! BREAKING NEWS!

You can't reneg on your rookie deal anymore.

I'm guessing that's why you're catching $3it...

[BigMeatballDave]

Yes, that was his 3rd contract.

Oh FFS :facepalm:

[Rausch]

Oh FFS :facepalm:

Rausch is an idiot that doesn't know anything about football...

[Hootie]

Oh FFS :facepalm:

I don't fucking understand?

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN WHICH CONTRACT IT IS?

are you saying Wilson should have gotten more than Aaron Rodgers because he's younger? His SECOND contract is set to expire in time for him to get ANOTHER massive contract, you know, right around the same age as Aaron's THIRD contract?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU FUCKING IDIOTS TRYING TO ARGUE?

OMFG

YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING STUPID

[Rausch]

I don't ****ing understand?

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN WHICH CONTRACT IT IS?

are you saying Wilson should have gotten more than Aaron Rodgers because he's younger? His SECOND contract is set to expire in time for him to get ANOTHER massive contract, you know, right around the same age as Aaron's THIRD contract?

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU ****ING IDIOTS TRYING TO ARGUE?

OMFG

YOU GUYS ARE ****ING STUPID

There are very strict limits on rookie deals...

[Saul Good]

Haha hootie. Clearly, when you said 5/120, you were including next year's 1.5 million in that figure. You thought the extension part would be 4 years for 118.5 million. Obviously you meant he would make $29,625,000 per year. It was a strangely specific number to predict, though.

[Hootie]

Haha hootie. Clearly, when you said 5/120, you were including next year's 1.5 million in that figure. You thought the extension part would be 4 years for 118.5 million. Obviously you meant he would make $29,625,000 per year. It was a strangely specific number to predict, though.

my head is going to explode ... between watching the Blue Jays just fucking rack up hit, after hit, after hit, after hit and then arguing with these dipshits about the Wilson extension, you know, where he was paid like Aaron Rodgers but somehow since it was his first extension instead of his second extension there is a difference because well, I have no idea

...I want to punch something

[Rausch]

Haha hootie. Clearly, when you said 5/120, you were including next year's 1.5 million in that figure. You thought the extension part would be 4 years for 118.5 million. Obviously you meant he would make $29,625,000 per year. It was a strangely specific number to predict, though.

My question: did he say he had a source or inside info?

Was this just a guess on his part?

If it was I don't see the point...

[Hootie]

My question: did he say he had a source or inside info?

Was this just a guess on his part?

If it was I don't see the point...

my post was (that I forgot I had even made) this:

"I don't see how Russell won't get 5/110 with 80 guaranteed."

So, honestly, I was dead wrong. To the tune of 1 year. Moron, I am.

[Hootie]

because, if you break it down, 110/5 = 22. 88/4 = 22.

somehow though, since I was so close to being right, Dane decided he was going to add in Russell's current final year on his rookie deal to make it look like he was making Alex Smith money instead of Aaron Rodgers money while ignoring the fact both Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers signed extensions on their 2nd deals as well (Rodgers 5 year extension was 5/110/63 but added on to his existing 2 year contract turning his 22 in new money to around 17.5 if you add the 2 existing years like he wanted to do with Russell)

So he was arguing Wilson using the last year of his rookie deal while comparing it to NEW MONEY ONLY on Rodgers/Smith extensions while ignoring the extension part of their deals.

It was totally ridiculous ... and somehow people are still trying to call me the moron.

[Saul Good]

My question: did he say he had a source or inside info?

Was this just a guess on his part?

If it was I don't see the point...

No. Dane made some ridiculous prediction. Hootie predicted he'd re-sign for 5/120. Hootie was correct about the fact that he re-signed and correct about the $ per year. Wilson got the exact same deal, only it was for 4 years instead of 5...therefore Dane tried to declare victory even though he keeps making predictions about young star QBs being traded or not resigned.

It makes no sense. Hootie was really, really close. Dane was laughably wrong...again.

[DaneMcCloud]

No. Dane made some ridiculous prediction. Hootie predicted he'd re-sign for 5/120. Hootie was correct about the fact that he re-signed and correct about the $ per year. Wilson got the exact same deal, only it was for 4 years instead of 5...therefore Dane tried to declare victory even though he keeps making predictions about young star QBs being traded or not resigned.

It makes no sense. Hootie was really, really close. Dane was laughably wrong...again.

White Knighting Hootie?

LMAO

That's the funniest shit I've ever seen.

Furthermore, I made ZERO predictions about Russell Wilson's contract, Fucktard.

[Saul Good]

because, if you break it down, 110/5 = 22. 88/4 = 22.

somehow though, since I was so close to being right, Dane decided he was going to add in Russell's current final year on his rookie deal to make it look like he was making Alex Smith money instead of Aaron Rodgers money while ignoring the fact both Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers signed extensions on their 2nd deals as well (Rodgers 5 year extension was 5/110/63 but added on to his existing 2 year contract turning his 22 in new money to around 17.5 if you add the 2 existing years like he wanted to do with Russell)

So he was arguing Wilson using the last year of his rookie deal while comparing it to NEW MONEY ONLY on Rodgers/Smith extensions while ignoring the extension part of their deals.

It was totally ridiculous ... and somehow people are still trying to call me the moron.

I still don't think they even realize what they're doing. Nobody is dumb enough to knowingly only count the additional money and years to the Rodgers extension while including the final year of Wilson's rookie contract when comparing the deals, are they?

[DaneMcCloud]

No. Dane made some ridiculous prediction. Hootie predicted he'd re-sign for 5/120. Hootie was correct about the fact that he re-signed and correct about the $ per year. Wilson got the exact same deal, only it was for 4 years instead of 5...therefore Dane tried to declare victory even though he keeps making predictions about young star QBs being traded or not resigned.

It makes no sense. Hootie was really, really close. Dane was laughably wrong...again.
One more thing, you buttfucking little punk, Russell Wilson has a 5 year contract with the Seattle Seahawks with a maximum value of $87.5 million dollars.

He does not have a five year deal worth $110 million dollars, yet your miniscule brain can't cope with that fact.

Now, go fuck yourself with your wife's biggest dildo, Dildo.

[Saul Good]

White Knighting Hootie?

LMAO

That's the funniest shit I've ever seen.

Furthermore, I made ZERO predictions about Russell Wilson's contract, Fucktard.

Are you going to call JA and Cochise white knights for taking your side?

[DaneMcCloud]

I still don't think they even realize what they're doing. Nobody is dumb enough to knowingly only count the additional money and years to the Rodgers extension while including the final year of Wilson's rookie contract when comparing the deals, are they?

What is Russell's current deal? Huh, what is it?

Dumbfucking cunt.

[Saul Good]

One more thing, you buttfucking little punk, Russell Wilson has a 5 year contract with the Seattle Seahawks with a maximum value of $87.5 million dollars.

He does not have a five year deal worth $110 million dollars, yet your miniscule brain can't cope with that fact.

Now, go fuck yourself with your wife's biggest dildo, Dildo.

So when Rodgers got his extension, it was really a 7 year contract because he still had 2 years left on the prior deal, right?

[DaneMcCloud]

Are you going to call JA and Cochise white knights for taking your side?

I don't have a side, you moronic twit.

Russell is playing on a five year, $87.5 million maximum value contract.

Period, end of story.

[DaneMcCloud]

So when Rodgers got his extension, it was really a 7 year contract because he still had 2 years left on the prior deal, right?

Who gives a flying fuck if it's an extension? The difference between an "extension" and "new" contract is the simple fact that the contract didn't expire.

The term "extension" is absolutely irrelevant, especially with the introduction of a singing bonus and guarantees.

Both parties came to an agreement to trash the existing agreement and create a new one. "Extension" is meaningless.

[milkman]

Who gives a flying **** if it's an extension? The difference between an "extension" and "new" contract is the simple fact that the contract didn't expire.

The term "extension" is absolutely irrelevant, especially with the introduction of a singing bonus and guarantees.

Both parties came to an agreement to trash the existing agreement and create a new one. "Extension" is meaningless.

You didn't answer the question.

[Saul Good]

Who gives a flying fuck if it's an extension? The difference between an "extension" and "new" contract is the simple fact that the contract didn't expire.

The term "extension" is absolutely irrelevant, especially with the introduction of a singing bonus and guarantees.

Both parties came to an agreement to trash the existing agreement and create a new one. "Extension" is meaningless.

Nobody thought Hootie was talking about anything other than new years and new money. Not you, not me, not anyone. You're a liar who can't handle being wrong regardless of how much experience you have with it.

[ThaVirus]

You're intentionally being obtuse, Dane.

[Saul Good]

Who gives a flying fuck if it's an extension? The difference between an "extension" and "new" contract is the simple fact that the contract didn't expire.

The term "extension" is absolutely irrelevant, especially with the introduction of a singing bonus and guarantees.

Both parties came to an agreement to trash the existing agreement and create a new one. "Extension" is meaningless.

So answer the question about Rodgers. He did the same thing.

[DaneMcCloud]

You didn't answer the question.

What question?

The only thing that matters is contract length and contract value.

That's it. All the other shit is team and agent driven PR.

[DaneMcCloud]

So answer the question about Rodgers. He did the same thing.

Who cares? All the matters is contract length and contract value, yet you and Hootie continue to argue semantics.

[Saul Good]

Keep showing your ass, Dane. You always do.

[milkman]

What question?

The only thing that matters is contract length and contract value.

That's it. All the other shit is team and agent driven PR.

It matters in the context of this discussion.

[DaneMcCloud]

Keep showing your ass, Dane. You always do.

Fuck off, twat.

I guess Mike Florio and the CBS Sports writer is doing the same.

:rolleyes:

Everyone knows that Hootie is a dumbass but thanks for clearing up the fact that you are, too.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/01/russell-wilsons-full-guarantee-at-signing-31-7-million/

For Wilson, he swapped a $1.542 million base salary for 2015 and the possibility of getting a lot more later for a fairly large bird in the hand now. Whether it’s viewed as $21.9 million per year in new money or $17.8 million per year in total value, it’s a lot more than Wilson has made in three NFL seasons. And it was the smart and prudent choice to make.

[Hootie]

I don't have a side, you moronic twit.

Russell is playing on a five year, $87.5 million maximum value contract.

Period, end of story.

so when you said he was making Alex Smith money, not Aaron Rodgers money ... what did you mean?

because Alex Smith signed a 4 year, $68M extension that was tacked on to his existing deal. As did Aaron Rodgers.

So you were dead wrong. You do realize that, right? Or are you too stubborn to admit it? Looking forward to your response.

[DaneMcCloud]

It matters in the context of this discussion.

It absolutely does not.

Russell Wilson agreed to a five year deal with a maximum value of $87.5 million per year. What he would have made under his rookie contract is irrelevant, as both parties have a new agreement in place.

[DaneMcCloud]

so when you said he was making Alex Smith money, not Aaron Rodgers money ... what did you mean?

because Alex Smith signed a 4 year, $68M extension that was tacked on to his existing deal. As did Aaron Rodgers.

So you were dead wrong. You do realize that, right? Or are you too stubborn to admit it? Looking forward to your response.

What's Alex Smith's yearly average? What's Russell Wilson's yearly average? What's Aaron Rodger' yearly average?

Wrong.

LMAO

[milkman]

It absolutely does not.

Russell Wilson agreed to a five year deal with a maximum value of $87.5 million per year. What he would have made under his rookie contract is irrelevant, as both parties have a new agreement in place.

No, it does matter.

You keep posting the same disingenuous bullshit.

[Saul Good]

It matters in the context of this discussion.

Absolutely. The only way Dane can declare victory is to pretend that we were talking about apples for Wilson and oranges for Rodgers. Not a single person on this board has EVER talked about an extension in any context other than what gets added to the deal...never.

It's like saying you paid $3 a gallon to fill your tank, and then Dane pretends you meant that, because the 2 gallons left in your tank only cost you $2.50 a gallon that you clearly meant that the current gas price is $3.25 and that you factored in last week's purchase to come up with some bizarre average.

[Hootie]

What's Alex Smith's yearly average? What's Russell Wilson's yearly average? What's Aaron Rodger' yearly average?

Wrong.

LMAO

Alex Smith: Signed a five-year, $76 million contract. The deal contains $45 million guaranteed. (15.2)

Russell Wilson: Signed a five-year, $89.142 million contract. The deal contains $60 million guaranteed, including a $31 million signing bonus. (17.82)

Aaron Rodgers: Signed a seven-year, $130.75 million contract. The deal contains $54 million guaranteed -- $35 million signing bonus and each of Rodgers' 2014 and 2015 roster bonuses. (18.67)

Tony Romo: Signed a seven-year, $119.5 million contract. The deal contains $55 million guaranteed, including a $25 million signing bonus. (17.07)


Yep Dane. Alex Smith money.

[DaneMcCloud]

Absolutely. The only way Dane can declare victory is to pretend that we were talking about apples for Wilson and oranges for Rodgers. Not a single person on this board has EVER talked about an extension in any context other than what gets added to the deal...never.

It's like saying you paid $3 a gallon to fill your tank, and then Dane pretends you meant that, because the 2 gallons left in your tank only cost you $2.50 a gallon that you clearly meant that the current gas price is $3.25 and that you factored in last week's purchase to come up with some bizarre average.

Apparently, you've never signed a contract before, which based on this discussion, isn't surprising.

And who gives a fuck what a drunken racist and a tiny little shit like yourself believe is the proper nomenclature for discussing the details of a contract?

But go ahead and ignore what Mike Florio and CBS Sports has written because it's pretty clear that you are failing to acknowledge that Russell Wilson is currently signed to a five year deal worth a maximum value of $87.5 million.

[ThaVirus]

This is like pulling teeth.

Go to overthecap or spotrac and they don't even acknowledge the original contract details. It's all about the new money.