BIG CAT!!!

[SeeingRed]

Watch out! I'm telling ya....just saying. He's a bad man. I said double digit sacks in 2015 & I'm sticking by it.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Play-of-the-Day-Mike-Catapano-One-Arm-Tackle/971c0b68-dc43-4946-8603-c8ee6d1e9d99

[loochy]

LMAO ROFL LMAO ROFL

you sure did get pumped up about his Box Jumper of the Week award

[Fish]

White power!

[Pablo]

I hope this clip was easy enough for Reerun to watch. I think it was a good sports clip. BRB, getting a haircut.

[bricks]

Nastiness.

I'm loving it.

[Pablo]

LMAO ROFL LMAO ROFL

you sure did get pumped up about his Box Jumper of the Week award

Seeing Red walks by a Chiefs poster in KMart and gets a raging, pants-ripping boner, and starts tomahawk chopping all through the store. OH OH OH-O-OH--OH-O-OH--OH-O-OH-OOOOO

[loochy]

chiefs and chopper, chiefs and chopper

[Sandy Vagina]

Good for you! Cat is one of many that I am very excited to watch this season.

If he can stay healthy this time, he will rape OL and earn meaningful snaps at DE. :)

[Fish]

Sack Dancing...

http://samsmalldesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/500x500.BigMacForSack1.gif

[Chief Roundup]

Judging him against a 3rd string TE...Yeah that really means anything.

[Rasputin]

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[DaneMcCloud]

Judging him against a 3rd string TE...Yeah that really means anything.

Who's ahead of O'Shaunessey on the depth chart?

Disengaging his blocker and throwing 230 pound Knile Davis to the ground with one arm is fairly impressive. It doesn't mean that he's going to be an All Pro but it's much better than seeing him get pushed around.

[loochy]

at least he's actually ON THE FIELD PLAYING

[Chief Roundup]

Who's ahead of O'Shaunessey on the depth chart?

Disengaging his blocker and throwing 230 pound Knile Davis to the ground with one arm is fairly impressive. It doesn't mean that he's going to be an All Pro but it's much better than seeing him get pushed around.
There hasnt been an updated depth chart but Kelce and Harris are probably in front of him.

[The Franchise]

There hasnt been an updated depth chart but Kelce and Harris are probably in front of him.

Harris is injured.

[DaneMcCloud]

There hasnt been an updated depth chart but Kelce and Harris are probably in front of him.

Harris hasn't taken a snap since he was injured in 2014

[Chief Roundup]

When is Harris supposed to make it back? I thought he would be back now.
The only person that Cat threw to the ground was the TE. Yes he made a nice one arm tackle though.

[SeeingRed]

I've heard he has been throwing O Lineman on their backs last few days from people who are there. He ran down Knile Davis on a run play to the sideline and has done well on running plays and shown great moves and power on pass rushing plays. This is from part of beat writer Terez Paylor's video report on today's practice.

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[KCUnited]

CAT leading this team onto the field week 1 after conquering Aids should motivate this team to 19-0.

[Chief Roundup]

I've heard he has been throwing O Lineman on their backs last few days from people who are there. He ran down Knile Davis on a run play to the sideline and has done well on running plays and shown great moves and power on pass rushing plays. This is from part of beat writer Terez Paylor's video report on today's practice.

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Who the hell is Jared Pugsley or however it is said or spelled?

[SeeingRed]

Who the hell is Jared Pugsley or however it is said or spelled?

lol...i donno...but it sounded good. :harumph:

but from people there i'm hearing that Cat couldn't look much better. I'm hearing Howard looks good as well. Defense seems to have offense's number. Hopefully the O line keeps improving.

[DJJasonp]

Yeah, I remember that one quarter in a preseason game Chester mcglockton dominated!

[TimBone]

Seeing Red walks by a Chiefs poster in KMart and gets a raging, pants-ripping boner, and starts tomahawk chopping all through the store. OH OH OH-O-OH--OH-O-OH--OH-O-OH-OOOOO
LMAO LMAO

[Deberg_1990]

Andres Gallarraga plays for the Chiefs?

[thabear04]

Picking on the rookie.

[Dante84]

I've heard he has been throwing O Lineman on their backs last few days from people who are there. He ran down Knile Davis on a run play to the sideline and has done well on running plays and shown great moves and power on pass rushing plays. This is from part of beat writer Terez Paylor's video report on today's practice.

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is this a cell phone video of a youtube video, that was then put on youtube? WTF?

Here's the Terez video.

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[Saccopoo]

Harris is injured.

Are you sure?

He looks healthy here:

http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/tony-moeaki-advice-2013-nfl-draft-kansas-city-chiefs.jpg

[thabear04]

https://igcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t51.2885-15/10731959_499136813596574_1966147113_n.jpg


That Baby face.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lFoTX3N0pRs/0.jpg

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

This may be his year !

[SeeingRed]

This may be his year !

http://www.chiefsdigest.com/observations-of-one-on-one-battles-on-chiefs-line-of-scrimmage/

[dannybcaitlyn]

Hopefully at the end of the clip Reid is yelling at Kniles " Your fucking 227 lbs HIT the fucking hole and quit tip toeing around it!"

[SeeingRed]

Gretz's description is in line with what i hear as well. Good signs that Catapano & Howard are doing well. Also encouraging to hear that Fisher seems to be improving and Grubbs is looking strong.


ST. JOSEPH, Mo. – "A single practice on any given day during a football season is but a snapshot that in the end helps make up what becomes a feature film of a team’s season.

Making evaluations and assumptions from a single practice like the Chiefs training camp session on Friday morning at Missouri Western State University is foolhardy.

But within the camp practices, there are moments when the skills of individual players show themselves.

No drill makes that happen more than the one-on-one matchup between linemen in pass protection and the pass rush. Once full pads go on in camp, these mano a mano battles are every day affairs.

In Friday’s practice, the Chiefs had 50 snaps of pass pro-pass rush. Here’s a look at what went down in those competitions.

Offense

The offensive line must block a pass rusher without help from mates, which seldom happens during a game. But it’s during these plays where the blockers individual skills are visible.

The most proficient pass protectors Friday were left tackle Eric Fisher and left guard Ben Grubbs.

Both men won three of their four chances against the Chiefs defense. Against defensive end Mike Catapano, Fisher struggled on his first opportunity. From that point, he handled outside linebackers Frank Zombo and Josh Martin, along with defensive tackle Charles Tuaau.

Grubbs was dominating in his three victories, handling Tuaau and defensive ends Vaughn Martin and Mike DeVito. Only defensive tackle Jaye Howard got the better of Grubbs, beating him on his outside shoulder with a nice rip move.

Right guard Jeff Allen had a good practice as well in pass protection. Allen split two snaps against DeVito and made a good adjustment with his hands in stopping rookie defensive tackle Rakeem Nunez-Roches.

Going into camp, the question marks on the Chiefs offensive line were at center and right tackle. So far Donald Stephenson has been the No. 1 option at right tackle, but he struggled during Friday’s practice.

Against Allen Bailey, Stephenson got his hands on the defensive end but was not able to anchor himself and was driven back into the pocket. Linebacker Dezman Moses beat Stephenson to the inside, as did Vaughn Martin. Against Josh Martin, he lost the hand-to-hand battle. On his last snap in protection, Stephenson saw outside linebacker Justin Houston beat him to the outside.

At center, Eric Kush had six snaps and won half of those. Kush was beaten badly by Howard on his first chance, but came back later and handled the big defensive tackle. He had a pair of victories against defensive tackle Hebron Fangupo, but was beaten badly by Tuaau on a straight-up bull rush.

Among the backups, rookie Mitch Morse worked at right guard and center, winning twice. Right guard Zach Fulton won two of his snaps. Working at left guard, Paul Fanaika had two good snaps, followed by two not so good efforts.

Defense

Catapano and Howard were the best pass rushers on the field for the Chiefs defense in Friday’s work. The bigger and leaner Catapano came on the rush from end and inside at tackle. He beat Fisher to the outside, ran over tackle Jarrod Pughsley with a bull rush and beat Fanaika with an inside move.

Howard showed great quickness and technique when he beat Kush with a swim move, leaving the center grabbing at air. He used the same move to beat right guard Marcus Reed. Howard was the only rusher to dent Grubbs’ day, with a move on the left shoulder of the left guard that gave him a leverage advantage.

Vaughn Martin and Tuaau both had some nice snaps bringing pressure inside. Bailey had several victories, but also was stopped cold other times.

Undrafted rookie linebacker Sage Harold showed he has pass rush skills, with a quick first step and a powerful first contact with the blocker. He beat offensive tackle Tavon Rooks to the outside and got inside against Pughsley.

Overall, it was good work for both the offense and defense.

They’ll do it all again on Saturday and in just about every practice until January."

———-

Bob Gretz is the senior editor for ChiefsDigest.com. Use the contact page to reach him or find him on Twitter: @BobGretzcom.

[Coochie liquor]

Gretz's description is in line with what i hear as well. Good signs that Catapano & Howard are doing well. Also encouraging to hear that Fisher seems to be improving and Grubbs is looking strong.


ST. JOSEPH, Mo. – "A single practice on any given day during a football season is but a snapshot that in the end helps make up what becomes a feature film of a team’s season.

Making evaluations and assumptions from a single practice like the Chiefs training camp session on Friday morning at Missouri Western State University is foolhardy.

But within the camp practices, there are moments when the skills of individual players show themselves.

No drill makes that happen more than the one-on-one matchup between linemen in pass protection and the pass rush. Once full pads go on in camp, these mano a mano battles are every day affairs.

In Friday’s practice, the Chiefs had 50 snaps of pass pro-pass rush. Here’s a look at what went down in those competitions.

Offense

The offensive line must block a pass rusher without help from mates, which seldom happens during a game. But it’s during these plays where the blockers individual skills are visible.

The most proficient pass protectors Friday were left tackle Eric Fisher and left guard Ben Grubbs.

Both men won three of their four chances against the Chiefs defense. Against defensive end Mike Catapano, Fisher struggled on his first opportunity. From that point, he handled outside linebackers Frank Zombo and Josh Martin, along with defensive tackle Charles Tuaau.

Grubbs was dominating in his three victories, handling Tuaau and defensive ends Vaughn Martin and Mike DeVito. Only defensive tackle Jaye Howard got the better of Grubbs, beating him on his outside shoulder with a nice rip move.

Right guard Jeff Allen had a good practice as well in pass protection. Allen split two snaps against DeVito and made a good adjustment with his hands in stopping rookie defensive tackle Rakeem Nunez-Roches.

Going into camp, the question marks on the Chiefs offensive line were at center and right tackle. So far Donald Stephenson has been the No. 1 option at right tackle, but he struggled during Friday’s practice.

Against Allen Bailey, Stephenson got his hands on the defensive end but was not able to anchor himself and was driven back into the pocket. Linebacker Dezman Moses beat Stephenson to the inside, as did Vaughn Martin. Against Josh Martin, he lost the hand-to-hand battle. On his last snap in protection, Stephenson saw outside linebacker Justin Houston beat him to the outside.

At center, Eric Kush had six snaps and won half of those. Kush was beaten badly by Howard on his first chance, but came back later and handled the big defensive tackle. He had a pair of victories against defensive tackle Hebron Fangupo, but was beaten badly by Tuaau on a straight-up bull rush.

Among the backups, rookie Mitch Morse worked at right guard and center, winning twice. Right guard Zach Fulton won two of his snaps. Working at left guard, Paul Fanaika had two good snaps, followed by two not so good efforts.

Defense

Catapano and Howard were the best pass rushers on the field for the Chiefs defense in Friday’s work. The bigger and leaner Catapano came on the rush from end and inside at tackle. He beat Fisher to the outside, ran over tackle Jarrod Pughsley with a bull rush and beat Fanaika with an inside move.

Howard showed great quickness and technique when he beat Kush with a swim move, leaving the center grabbing at air. He used the same move to beat right guard Marcus Reed. Howard was the only rusher to dent Grubbs’ day, with a move on the left shoulder of the left guard that gave him a leverage advantage.

Vaughn Martin and Tuaau both had some nice snaps bringing pressure inside. Bailey had several victories, but also was stopped cold other times.

Undrafted rookie linebacker Sage Harold showed he has pass rush skills, with a quick first step and a powerful first contact with the blocker. He beat offensive tackle Tavon Rooks to the outside and got inside against Pughsley.

Overall, it was good work for both the offense and defense.

They’ll do it all again on Saturday and in just about every practice until January."

———-

Bob Gretz is the senior editor for ChiefsDigest.com. Use the contact page to reach him or find him on Twitter: @BobGretzcom.


Not one mention of Dee Ford. Also like that at least for this practice, Fissure won most of his match ups.

[Mike in SW-MO]

Not one mention of Dee Ford. Also like that at least for this practice, Fissure won most of his match ups.

Also no mention of Houston or Hali. Just line.

Good to hear the guys we expect to contribute are doing well. This Sage Harold kid is sounding intriguing.

And I am VERY happy with the ongoing news about Jaye Howard. We badly need him to be successful this year. Sounds like a pairing of him & Cat may be a nightmare for opposing o - lines.

[the Talking Can]

howard was a hell of a pickup by dorsey

[Perineum Ripper]

Hopefully at the end of the clip Reid is yelling at Kniles " Your ****ing 227 lbs HIT the ****ing hole and quit tip toeing around it!"

That's exactly what my girlfriend said to me last night

[SeeingRed]

That's exactly what my girlfriend said to me last night

lmao LMAO

[SeeingRed]

Cool footage from 8-7 practice

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[DaneMcCloud]

Marcus Cooper was very impressive in that video. Hopefully, he just had a sophomore slump last year.

[DaneMcCloud]

Ron Parker at corner is a disaster. Not as awful as Aaron Hester but I hope he's not needed as CB this year.

Da'Ron Brown looks legit.

[DaneMcCloud]

I know it's only a snippet but Donald Stephensen, WTF?

[ThaVirus]

Not one mention of Dee Ford. Also like that at least for this practice, Fissure won most of his match ups.


Just one play but Ford appeared to be giving little resistance to Kelce in the OP video.

[SeeingRed]

The D line seems to be dominating

Herbie Teope ‏@HerbieTeope 12m12 minutes ago
Allen Bailey just owned Ben Grubbs during one-on-one. Straight bullrush, pushed Grubbs back, then put Grubbs flat on his back.

[ThaVirus]

Apparently Catapano and Irving are unstoppable.

Our offensive line has the potential to be putrid.

[Hammock Parties]

The whole DL is looking good against this OL.

[TimBone]

Fisher looked good when Zombo tried to put the spin move on him.

[milkman]

I know it's only a snippet but Donald Stephensen, WTF?

As this camp progresses, and we read reports and see video, I am beginning to wonder if Stephenson even makes the roster.

[Rausch]

As this camp progresses, and we read reports and see video, I am beginning to wonder if Stephenson even makes the roster.

This better be a pointed joke....

[milkman]

This better be a pointed joke....

It's not a joke.

Stephenson, by all accounts has been crap.

[Rausch]

It's not a joke.

Stephenson, by all accounts has been crap.

If that's true this O line is completely fucked...

[DaneMcCloud]

As this camp progresses, and we read reports and see video, I am beginning to wonder if Stephenson even makes the roster.

I know, it's crazy.

I mentioned in a related thread that Catapano looks All-World, while Stephenson looks like a guy that will be cut in preseason, claimed and dropped repeatedly, before giving up football altogether in 2016.

Maybe the PED's gave him confidence and without them, he's just not the same guy. It's really odd.

[DaneMcCloud]

If that's true this O line is completely fucked...

I don't believe this, at least not based on the video I've seen and the reports.

At this point, it looks like we'll see Fisher/Grubbs/Kush/Morse/Allen as the starters. Morse has been impressive, as has Kush. There's no reason why Morse shouldn't be on the field and he looks like a bulldog out there in the video I've seen.

While Allen is likely the weakest link, he's looked okay. Andy will figure out a way to scheme around his deficiencies but it's also probable that Allen will improve at right tackle with repeated reps.

[milkman]

I don't believe this, at least not based on the video I've seen and the reports.

At this point, it looks like we'll see Fisher/Grubbs/Kush/Morse/Allen as the starters. Morse has been impressive, as has Kush. There's no reason why Morse shouldn't be on the field and he looks like a bulldog out there in the video I've seen.

While Allen is likely the weakest link, he's looked okay. Andy will figure out a way to scheme around his deficiencies but it's also probable that Allen will improve at right tackle with repeated reps.

I've said this before, and I still believe this.

Allen is a better fit at RT than at guard.

[milkman]

The question becomes who backs up Fisher?

[Rausch]

I don't believe this, at least not based on the video I've seen and the reports.

At this point, it looks like we'll see Fisher/Grubbs/Kush/Morse/Allen as the starters. Morse has been impressive, as has Kush.

That line is WORSE that what we trotted out there last year. Kush will cave and Morse is a rookie and Allen is concrete-shoes on the outside...

[Rausch]

The question becomes who backs up Fisher?

No, it's who replaces him next year...

[jd1020]

I just worry if the team will be ready for the speed of an actual game. Every video I've seem they all seem to be moving really slow.

[LoneWolf]

That line is WORSE that what we trotted out there last year. Kush will cave and Morse is a rookie and Allen is concrete-shoes on the outside...

You're delusional.

[milkman]

Not even going to argue with the sheer stupidity of Rausch.

[Rausch]

I don't believe this, at least not based on the video I've seen and the reports.

At this point, it looks like we'll see Fisher/Grubbs/Kush/Morse/Allen as the starters. Morse has been impressive, as has Kush. There's no reason why Morse shouldn't be on the field and he looks like a bulldog out there in the video I've seen.

While Allen is likely the weakest link, he's looked okay. Andy will figure out a way to scheme around his deficiencies but it's also probable that Allen will improve at right tackle with repeated reps.

I'm revisiting this only because IF Fish doesn't work our our ENTIRE OL needs rebuilt in the next 2 years.

So enjoy those two safety-net drafts...

[DaFace]

I just worry if the team will be ready for the speed of an actual game. Every video I've seem they all seem to be moving really slow.

Well, yeah. It's a practice. Before the first preseason game.

[DaneMcCloud]

That line is WORSE that what we trotted out there last year. Kush will cave and Morse is a rookie and Allen is concrete-shoes on the outside...

This is a massive exaggeration, Dude.

Fisher will be better, Grubbs is certainly better than McGlynn. Kush/Hudson will be a push, as will Right Tackle. The only real question is the right guard position but Fulton will be improved and Morse looks to be a massive upgrade.

No need to panic.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm revisiting this only because IF Fish doesn't work our our ENTIRE OL needs rebuilt in the next 2 years.

So enjoy those two safety-net drafts...

I think it's very unlikely that the entire line would need to be rebuilt.

Grubbs is here for a few years and unless he completely falls off the cliff, the Chiefs should be fine. Kush and Morse will be here. Allen will likely be some sort of insurance policy, unless he just kills it at right tackle, which of course, would be ideal.

That would leave Fisher and I'm not ready to pass judgement on him until I see him consistently fail throughout the entire 16 game season. He improved last year, had his first healthy offseason since being drafted and has reportedly worked very hard to improve.

Give it some time.

[Rausch]

You're delusional.

Allen isn't fast of foot enough to play anything other than fill-in RG and at RT he's running in mudd. He's definitely not the answer there.

Grubbs is an excellent solution for two years. Love that move.

Fish looked good at RT at the end of the year but he was fucking FACE-RAPED ate LT last year. He shouldn't be there. John Tait had more reason to be a LT.

We have a late round pick (who's started 2 games?) at C and apparently a huge ? at RG and RT. I'm not ready to give up on Stephenson but the staff clearly isn't a fan of him.

We have, as of now, only ONE SOLID player on the O line.

If you think otherwise it's built on hope, combine numbers, and fairy dust...

[Hammock Parties]

That line is WORSE that what we trotted out there last year. Kush will cave and Morse is a rookie and Allen is concrete-shoes on the outside...

This. The only guy I hold out hope for is Morse. Allen is garabge and has always been worse than Stephenson.

This line's only hope was Fisher making a huge leap and Stephenson becoming a real NFL player at RT.

Stephenson's done, Allen was a bust a year ago...if Fisher doesn't improve we are truly fucked.

[milkman]

This. The only guy I hold out hope for is Morse. Allen is garabge and has always been worse than Stephenson.

This line's only hope was Fisher making a huge leap and Stephenson becoming a real NFL player at RT.

Stephenson's done, Allen was a bust a year ago...if Fisher doesn't improve we are truly ****ed.

Allen was a bust a year ago?

What?

[LoneWolf]

Allen isn't fast of foot enough to play anything other than fill-in RG and at RT he's running in mudd. He's definitely not the answer there.

Grubbs is an excellent solution for two years. Love that move.

Fish looked good at RT at the end of the year but he was fucking FACE-RAPED ate LT last year. He shouldn't be there. John Tait had more reason to be a LT.

We have a late round pick (who's started 2 games?) at C and apparently a huge ? at RG and RT. I'm not ready to give up on Stephenson but the staff clearly isn't a fan of him.

We have, as of now, only ONE SOLID player on the O line.

If you think otherwise it's built on hope, combine numbers, and fairy dust...

Without typing a long rebuttal and we continuing this back and forth for the next 20 posts, I'll just say that IMO your offensive line evaluation skills are on par with Direkshun's draft evaluation skills.

[Hammock Parties]

Allen was a bust a year ago?

What?

He looked shitty his rookie season, and didn't improve in 2013. Last season he couldn't even get on the field. I wrote him off and so did anyone else with two brain cells rubbing together.

[milkman]

Without typing a long rebuttal and we continuing this back and forth for the next 20 posts, I'll just say that IMO your offensive line evaluation skills are on par with Direkshun's draft evaluation skills.

He really has no clue.

[DaneMcCloud]

He looked shitty his rookie season, and didn't improve in 2013. Last season he couldn't even get on the field. I wrote him off and so did anyone else with two brain cells rubbing together.

Wut?

Are we talking about the same Jeff Allen?

[milkman]

He looked shitty his rookie season, and didn't improve in 2013. Last season he couldn't even get on the field. I wrote him off and so did anyone else with two brain cells rubbing together.

He was injured last year, dipshit.

[Hammock Parties]

He was injured last year, dipshit.

Yes, like I said, couldn't even get on the field.

And he's never looked good when he could get on it.

He's garbage.

[DaneMcCloud]

He was injured last year, dipshit.

Forget it, he's rolling

[The Franchise]

I really hope Irving has a chance to make the 53.

[Hammock Parties]

Wut?

Are we talking about the same Jeff Allen?

Yes. He's a terrible, terrible football player. In one month everyone here will realize it.

[O.city]

Clay didn't even know he was injured last year, lol

Brings so much to the board though

[Hammock Parties]

Clay didn't even know he was injured last year, lol

Brings so much to the board though

I did.

[O.city]

Clay doesn't eat McDonald's and has 2 brain cells. We're all just living in his world

[milkman]

Yes, like I said, couldn't even get on the field.

And he's never looked good when he could get on it.

He's garbage.

I mostly ignore your stupid bullshit, but this is just fucking over the top.

You are one useless stupid motherfucker.

[Hammock Parties]

Clay doesn't eat McDonald's and has 2 brain cells. We're all just living in his world

Do you actually think Jeff Allen is a good player? I mean...come on, man.

If he wasn't a second round pick no one here would care about him.

[O.city]

Do you actually think Jeff Allen is a good player? I mean...come on, man.

If he wasn't a second round pick no one here would care about him.

Yay sports

[Hammock Parties]

I mostly ignore your stupid bullshit, but this is just fucking over the top.

You are one useless stupid motherfucker.

Really? He graded out as darn near the worst offensive lineman in the entire NFL as a rookie.

I don't remember how he did in his second year but it couldn't have been good.

He's terrible. I have no idea why anyone thinks he's worth shit.

Show me something,

[LoneWolf]

Yes, like I said, couldn't even get on the field.

And he's never looked good when he could get on it.

He's garbage.

Holy shit. Have you ever had a good football take.

[Hammock Parties]

Holy shit. Have you ever had a good football take.

Have you?

Jeff Allen is a really bad football player. What has he ever done that's good in the NFL?

[milkman]

Jeff Allen is not a guard.

He is a RT.
Stephenson is not cutting it at camp, and Allen will win the job at RT, and be pretty damn good.

[Rausch]

Do you actually think Jeff Allen is a good player? I mean...come on, man.

If he wasn't a second round pick no one here would care about him.

There is absolutely no way I'd agree with Clay unless it was undeniably true...

[ThaVirus]

Fisher will be better, Grubbs is certainly better than McGlynn. Kush/Hudson will be a push, as will Right Tackle.


Has Staylor or SeeingRed hacked into your account? Fuck me, the Kool-Aid is strong in this one.

[O.city]

Holy shit. Have you ever had a good football take.

Lol. He's never had his own take.

Look at the post above. "Graded out". LMAO

[The Franchise]

Jeff Allen is not a guard.

He is a RT.
Stephenson is not cutting it at camp, and Allen will win the job at RT, and be pretty damn good.

He should have been a RT from the beginning. Taking him from LT in college and then moving him to LG was dumb.

[Hammock Parties]

Jeff Allen is not a guard.

He is a RT.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Generally moving guards to OT results in disaster.

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/72472862-tackle-jordan-black-of-the-kansas-city-chiefs-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QDkeJvmRjPV7St72aIGpeRmkMUvHhUW70btTnz%2FAe291

[Rausch]

Stephenson is not cutting it at camp, and Allen will win the job at RT, and be pretty damn good.

I'll make a sig bet on that.

If allen starts 14 games and is rated better than the bottom 1/3rd as a RT my offseason sig is yours.

I honored my last bet (which I lost) and I'll honor this one...

[DaneMcCloud]

Yes, like I said, couldn't even get on the field.

And he's never looked good when he could get on it.

He's garbage.

LMAO

He was the starting right tackle in 2014 before tearing a bicep muscle against Tennessee, landing him on IR for the season.

Good grief, if you're going to argue something, at least know the facts.

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO

He was the starting right tackle in 2014 before tearing a bicep muscle against Tennessee, landing him on IR for the season.

Good grief, if you're going to argue something, at least know the facts.

I'm well aware he got hurt. That's not a positive. If you can't stay on the field and all you do is suck when you are on it....bust.

[milkman]

I'll make a sig bet on that.

If allen starts 14 games and is rated better than the bottom 1/3rd as a RT my offseason sig is yours.

I honored my last bet (which I lost) and I'll honor this one...

I don't bet.

I like my sig, and won't change it.

[Rausch]

LMAO

He was the starting right tackle in 2014 before tearing a bicep muscle against Tennessee, landing him on IR for the season.

Good grief, if you're going to argue something, at least know the facts.

That was the first game of the year...

[DaneMcCloud]

Really? He graded out as darn near the worst offensive lineman in the entire NFL as a rookie.

I don't remember how he did in his second year but it couldn't have been good.

He's terrible. I have no idea why anyone thinks he's worth shit.

Show me something,

Allen was adequate as a rookie.

In his second season, he struggled with Reid's power blocking scheme, as did the entire offensive line because they were all drafted (outside of Fisher) to play a ZBS.

Once Reid switched to a ZBS after the Bye Week, the entire offensive line improved dramatically.

[Rausch]

I don't bet.

I like my sig, and won't change it.

Bottom 1/3rd means he has to not suck.

That's all.

You and others state he's respectable.

He's not. He'll be in the bottom 1/3rd of all RT's if he starts there.

I like my sig as well. Hell, you only have to put mine ABOVE yours if I win.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm well aware he got hurt. That's not a positive. If you can't stay on the field and all you do is suck when you are on it....bust.

You're really arguing yourself into a corner today

[Hammock Parties]

Allen was adequate as a rookie.

No. He was one of the worst OL in the NFL. We had a lot of discussions here about it.


In his second season, he struggled with Reid's power blocking scheme.

Yes he sucked again. Thanks for confirming.

If he starts 16 games this year he'll give up 10+ sacks.

[LoneWolf]

You're really arguing yourself into a corner today

He likes the corner. That's where he keeps his action figures.

[Rausch]

No. He was one of the worst OL in the NFL. We had a lot of discussions here about it.



Yes he sucked again. Thanks for confirming.

If he starts 16 games this year he'll give up 10+ sacks.

He was full time $3it.

Meanwhile people think Hudson struggled his first full year starting. He didn't. He was a top 15 C...

[LoneWolf]

No. He was one of the worst OL in the NFL. We had a lot of discussions here about it.



Yes he sucked again. Thanks for confirming.

If he starts 16 games this year he'll give up 10+ sacks.

I'll take that bet. Name your terms.

[The Franchise]

Bottom 1/3rd means he has to not suck.

That's all.

You and others state he's respectable.

He's not. He'll be in the bottom 1/3rd of all RT's if he starts there.

I like my sig as well. Hell, you only have to put mine ABOVE yours if I win.

I'll take that bet with one question? What happens if he starts at RG or moves there because of an injury?

[Hammock Parties]

I'll take that bet. Name your terms.

Starts and finishes all 16 games.

Allows at least 10 sacks.

If he's cut or benched I also win.

If he's hurt we'll call it a draw.

The loser has to post a 500-word thread extolling the greatness of the winner, how shitty Jeff Allen is, and paypal $100.

[milkman]

Bottom 1/3rd means he has to not suck.

That's all.

You and others state he's respectable.

He's not. He'll be in the bottom 1/3rd of all RT's if he starts there.

I like my sig as well. Hell, you only have to put mine ABOVE yours if I win.

Here's the problem.

The only way to support either opinion is through PFF, and those guys are just opining, much the same as you or I.

It's all completely arbitrary and subjective.

I won't admit I'm wrong if I believe that he performed well just because some dipshit at PFF disagrees with my opinion.

[Hammock Parties]

Here's the problem.

The only way to support either opinion is through PFF, and those guys are just opining, much the same as you or I.

It's all completely arbitrary and subjective.

I won't admit I'm wrong if I believe that he performed well just because some dipshit at PFF disagrees with my opinion.

Allen wasn't just bad, though. He was near the bottom of the rankings. Like, 75th out of 80 or some shit.

Even if you think PFF is "off" he's still dogshit.

[Rausch]

I won't admit I'm wrong..

I know.

And this year is again very likely to protect guys like Fisher by not being the ABSOLUTE BIGGEST FAILURES on the team.

I really, really, REALLY hope Dorsey pulls off a RG/RT worth a $3it during the preseason cuts....

[LoneWolf]

Starts and finishes all 16 games.

Allows at least 10 sacks.

If he's cut or benched I also win.

If he's hurt we'll call it a draw.

The loser has to post a 500-word thread extolling the greatness of the winner, how shitty Jeff Allen is, and paypal $100.

I'm down.

[milkman]

Allen wasn't just bad, though. He was near the bottom of the rankings. Like, 75th out of 80 or some shit.

Even if you think PFF is "off" he's still dogshit.

Allen has no business at guard.

I have been saying that for 2 years or more.

A lot of college tackles transition to guard, but Allen was never one of those guys that should.

He's tackle, and what he did at guard doesn't interest me in the least in this discussion.

[milkman]

I know.

And this year is again very likely to protect guys like Fisher by not being the ABSOLUTE BIGGEST FAILURES on the team.

I really, really, REALLY hope Dorsey pulls off a RG/RT worth a $3it during the preseason cuts....

Nice out of context quote, dipshit.

[The Franchise]

I know.

And this year is again very likely to protect guys like Fisher by not being the ABSOLUTE BIGGEST FAILURES on the team.

I really, really, REALLY hope Dorsey pulls off a RG/RT worth a $3it during the preseason cuts....

See my above post. I'll take your bet.

[Rausch]

He's tackle, and what he did at guard doesn't interest me in the least in this discussion.

"We'll move Hudson to G next year. He played G in college..."

Derp...

[milkman]

"We'll move Hudson to G next year. He played G in college..."

Derp...

What the hell are you talking about?

[Rausch]

I'll take that bet with one question? What happens if he starts at RG or moves there because of an injury?

Sorry, just saw this.

He starts 14 games at RT or no bet.

Draw.

He's injured at RT for more than 3 games I'm comfortable in my assessment he can't hang.

ONLY if he starts 14 games at RT (he won't, so you're in a no-lose situation here) he'll finish in the bottom 1/3rd in the league AT HIS POSITION...

[Rausch]

What the hell are you talking about?

For the last 3 years that was the solution to every O line problem.

"Hudson can play C/G so let's move him there!"

Hudson was an NFL C from day 1.

And not only a perfect C but top 5 C.

Yes, I did call that one WHEN HE WAS A ROOKIE.

So haters can kiss my ass...:evil:

[milkman]

He's injured at RT for more than 3 games I'm comfortable in my assessment he can't hang.

Fucking moron.

[milkman]

For the last 3 years that was the solution to every O line problem.

"Hudson can play C/G so let's move him there!"

Hudson was an NFL C from day 1.

And not only a perfect C but top 5 C.

Yes, I did call that one WHEN HE WAS A ROOKIE.

So haters can kiss my ass...:evil:

No one wants to kiss you on the lips.

[The Franchise]

Sorry, just saw this.

He starts 14 games at RT or no bet.

Draw.

He's injured at RT for more than 3 games I'm comfortable in my assessment he can't hang.

ONLY if he starts 14 games at RT (he won't, so you're in a no-lose situation here) he'll finish in the bottom 1/3rd in the league AT HIS POSITION...

I'll take that bet. Deal.

[Rausch]

****ing moron.

High humidity gives you clown lips of the ass.

Relax, Starship Commander.

[Rausch]

I'll take that bet. Deal.

14 games, better than the bottom 1/3rd?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0iOPU3FnUDuzqacKQSVJgfHjCipWUc_NrDg--HJwFwEt9NqBl8DCvLLw

[The Franchise]

14 games, better than the bottom 1/3rd?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0iOPU3FnUDuzqacKQSVJgfHjCipWUc_NrDg--HJwFwEt9NqBl8DCvLLw

Yep....agreed.

[Rausch]

Yep....agreed.

Ok.

THat said, you tried any Japanese beers?

[The Franchise]

Ok.

THat said, you tried any Japanese beers?

Not in a really long time. Any recommendations?

[Rausch]

Not in a really long time. Any recommendations?

Sapporo is all I've had. I was impressed though - it came in a tin (heavy meatal) can. I want to say it was 8% as well.

I wouldn't drink it every day but it was a solid (heavy/regular) beer...

[SeeingRed]

Has Staylor or SeeingRed hacked into your account? **** me, the Kool-Aid is strong in this one.

HEY! ThaVirus always picking on me.

Listen....I'm fairly optimistic about this team but I'm not a pure Kool Aid drinker....i worry this team "could" potentially struggle on the O Line (which IS a problem) however I feel overall its a step up from last year (and yes I'm hoping that's true). Only thing we know for sure is that the D Line is better than the O Line thus far. Whether that is a feather in the D Line's cap long term or an indictment against our O Line only time will tell. Ultimately my guess is we can win a playoff game...if that happens I'd be happy with that....anything more is gravy and anything less is a disappointment If O Line can hold it together this is def an 11-5 team

[ThaVirus]

HEY! ThaVirus always picking on me.



Listen....I'm fairly optimistic about this team but I'm not a pure Kool Aid drinker....i worry this team "could" potentially struggle on the O Line (which IS a problem) however I feel overall its a step up from last year (and yes I'm hoping that's true). Only thing we know for sure is that the D Line is better than the O Line thus far. Whether that is a feather in the D Line's cap long term or an indictment against our O Line only time will tell. Ultimately my guess is we can win a playoff game...if that happens I'd be happy with that....anything more is gravy and anything less is a disappointment If O Line can hold it together this is def an 11-5 team


I'm sorry. I really don't mean to do it. I actually see a lot of my 2004 self in your posts. "Are we going to sign Ed Hartwell?" "If the defense can just be average we're a Super Bowl contender".

Too many off seasons of hope and season's ending in disaster have changed me. I'm like Smeagle turned into Gollum.

[SeeingRed]

I'm sorry. I really don't mean to do it. I actually see a lot of my 2004 self in your posts. "Are we going to sign Ed Hartwell?" "If the defense can just be average we're a Super Bowl contender".

Too many off seasons of hope and season's ending in disaster have changed me. I'm like Smeagle turned into Gollum.

lol....understandable. A deep playoff run will be good for everybody in here I think. But I understand that...believe me. The O Line does scare me a bit tho. Losing Poe scared the shit out of me but if Devito, Bailey, Howard & Cat can hold down the fort until he gets back the D line could be a nasty one. Hopefully Fisher is all healed up from surgery and any negative effects he had from the shoulder issue.....because he is key. If he sucks it will be a grind.

[ThaVirus]

Oh, there's a lil Chiefy in me that busts out every time Jamaal makes a big run or we go on a winning streak.

I JUST WANT TO BELIEVE BUT I'M SCARED

[SeeingRed]

Oh, there's a lil Chiefy in me that busts out every time Jamaal makes a big run or we go on a winning streak.

I JUST WANT TO BELIEVE BUT I'M SCARED

After learning that Jamaal discovered his athletic talent through competing in the Special Olympics he automatically became my #1 overall fantasy choice...thats pretty damn cool! He's great. This team has some great story lines. Its in the 3rd year of a new regime that thus far has been pretty damn good overall. I'd say there is reason to be cautiously optimistic. But thats just me

[staylor26]

Oh, there's a lil Chiefy in me that busts out every time Jamaal makes a big run or we go on a winning streak.

I JUST WANT TO BELIEVE BUT I'M SCARED

Stop being a pussy. This regime is legit and has completely changed the culture. These guys believe they should win a SB with this team. From Dorsey on down to a rookie like Marcus Peters. They have every reason to be given the benefit of that doubt from what they've done so far. This is easily a top 5 most talented overall roster in the NFL. Why would you not be optimistic about this season?

[Rausch]

Stop being a pussy. This regime is legit and has completely changed the culture.

That's the biggest lie out there.

It's still all about Smith, Dorsey, and Phat Andy.

[ThaVirus]

Stop being a pussy. This regime is legit and has completely changed the culture. These guys believe they should win a SB with this team. From Dorsey on down to a rookie like Marcus Peters. They have every reason to be given the benefit of that doubt from what they've done so far. This is easily a top 5 most talented overall roster in the NFL. Why would you not be optimistic about this season?


"It's a process". "We'll be fine."

I'm optimistic. I'm optimistic like I am every July/August where we've historically done the most damage.

I'll just need to see some sustained, actual success before I really buy in. We haven't won a playoff game since the 1990s. We haven't even had back to back playoff appearances since the 1990s.

[DaneMcCloud]

Sapporo is all I've had. I was impressed though - it came in a tin (heavy meatal) can. I want to say it was 8% as well.

I wouldn't drink it every day but it was a solid (heavy/regular) beer...

I've had Asahi, Sapporo, Orion and Kirin.

Kirin is my favorite, by a pretty wide margin. I prefer Kirin Light if I'm eating sushi, especially rolls with rice because it tastes great and doesn't fill me up as much as the others.

[O.city]

Gotta go with cold saki with sushi.

I will have to try kirin though.

[DaneMcCloud]

That's the biggest lie out there.

It's still all about Smith, Dorsey, and Phat Andy.

Oh, come on.

There's a big difference between what Andy Reid and John Dorsey have created versus Scott Pioli and Todd Haley/Romeo Crennel.

This team is ascending and should be very, very good this season, despite a terrible schedule. If they don't win at least 10 games and make the playoffs, catastrophic injuries will have occurred.

[O.city]

Oh, come on.

There's a big difference between what Andy Reid and John Dorsey have created versus Scott Pioli and Todd Haley/Romeo Crennel.

This team is ascending and should be very, very good this season, despite a terrible schedule. If they don't win at least 10 games and make the playoffs, catastrophic injuries will have occurred.

You know, I realize their playoff success or lack thereof is what it was s, but it reminds me a lot of the 90s culture wise.

They've definitely instilled a mentality that's awesome to see and hear

[milkman]

Watched a few of the videos here, and got a shot of Charcandrick West running in traffic, and he looked really quick.

[DaneMcCloud]

Watched a few of the videos here, and got a shot of Charcandrick West running in traffic, and he looked really quick.

His numbers at Texas Abilene were impressive and he averaged 6.0 yards per carry during his tenure.

Terez has been praising him since camp started, saying the same things you're saying about quickness and good vision.

[DaneMcCloud]

You know, I realize their playoff success or lack thereof is what it was s, but it reminds me a lot of the 90s culture wise.

They've definitely instilled a mentality that's awesome to see and hear

It's definitely a been return to "Chiefs football" which to me is stout defense, great running game, efficient QB.

Pretty much everything the Chiefs haven't been since Marty resigned.

[O.city]

It's definitely a been return to "Chiefs football" which to me is stout defense, great running game, efficient QB.

Pretty much everything the Chiefs haven't been since Marty resigned.

With their new tone or whatever at wr, I think they're gonna throw it more this year, attempting to be more explosive. I think.

[Dunerdr]

Jesus Christ playoff success? How about a mother fucking championship every 50 years? Cheat! Please fucking cheat!

[Hammock Parties]

I'm down.

Looks like this is a draw, buddy.

I'll get you next year. :#