Dwayne Bowe breathing confidence into Cleveland Browns offense

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/WR-Dwayne-Bowe-breathing-confidence-into-Cleveland-Browns-offense/82647ecc-8873-4832-9a3d-56f5af68ff21

Saying Cleveland is a breath of fresh air to wide receiver Dwayne Bowe might be the understatement of the summer.

On Day 2 of Browns training camp, Bowe and quarterback Josh McCown teamed up for several big throws down the field in what the veteran described as a budding breakthrough for the unit.

“It was my first time in nine years that the second day of camp has been this fluid,” Bowe said. “So many guys made plays today. (McCown) and I are clicking right now.”

Here’s the catch to Bowe and his unflinching claims: His teammates are listening to the confident fuel he’s feeding them.

“I’m showing guys different ways to practice, different ways to study, show them how to eat, how to work,” Bowe said. “That’s why you bring in an old vet like me to help the young guys out.”

Last year, the Browns played in a system offense under Kyle Shanahan. Bowe also played in a system offense with Andy Reid and the Chiefs. Players were plugged into specific roles within the offense – and sometimes arguably jammed into those roles, instead of plugged.

Part of why the 30-year-old Bowe decided on signing with the Browns had to do with the fact that first-year offensive coordinator John DeFilippo wasn’t bringing a rigid offensive system with him to Cleveland. “Flip,” as he’s called around the team facility, is building the offense around the strengths of players like Bowe and Taylor Gabriel, while also implementing successful running plays used last season.

“Instead of being stern and calling plays that don’t work for that guy, he’s putting everyone in position to make plays,” Bowe said. “That’s all you can ask for out of an OC.”

“You need that big receiver that can make a contested catch,” coach Mike Pettine said about Bowe’s unique role within the offense.

“He does an excellent job on the back-shoulder throws. He made one (yesterday). He does a real nice job getting his feet down. Obviously, he’s shown why we brought him here.”

At the end of his interview, Bowe harped on something new teammate Tramon Williams said earlier in the week: Team chemistry is real in Berea. Bowe says the younger guys in Cleveland bring so much energy to the locker room while the older guys are more humbled as the years unfold in their respective careers. It’s a combination he saw a handful of times making the playoffs with the Chiefs.

Days like Friday may seem on the surface like mundane training camp days that ultimately get lost in the shuffle of dozens of other practices. But in Bowe’s mind, it’s training camp practices that have potential to become building blocks for football teams.

“I think this year,” Bowe said, “we really have a chance.”

[Mr. Laz]

and it begins ............

[stevieray]

LMAO

"show them how to eat, how to work"

GTFO

[Sassy Squatch]

http://img.pandawhale.com/67828-damn-this-vagina-is-huge-spide-psxS.jpeg

[Bwana]

LMAO

http://www.birstall.co.uk/prodimages/small/c5404s.jpg (http://www.birstall.co.uk/products/c5404.html)

[MotherfuckerJones]

Please. Remember bombs over Baghdad? How'd that work out?

[thabear04]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/805324/bowefail.gif

[Hammock Parties]

touchdown you say?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pryor goes in jet motion, McCown with the handoff, Pryor steps back and throws a TD to Dwayne Bowe.</p>&mdash; Ryan (@RyInCBus) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyInCBus/status/628564465336750080">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[L.A. Chieffan]

I would love to party with Bowe and Manziel

[ARROW2]

and it begins ............




Yeah, Bombs over Baghdad, right Dwayne?

[Sassy Squatch]

touchdown you say?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pryor goes in jet motion, McCown with the handoff, Pryor steps back and throws a TD to Dwayne Bowe.</p>&mdash; Ryan (@RyInCBus) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyInCBus/status/628564465336750080">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Didn't Bowe fumble what would've been a touchdown late in the year? Kelce bailed that dumbass out.

[Dave Lane]

Bowe is the best receiver we have had in a decade or more. Never understood why no one appreciated him.

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/6-things-we-learned-after-4-days-of-Cleveland-Browns-training-camp/df00c9ec-6c81-4889-b33f-c8b3d98a7d02

WR Dwayne Bowe is reliable

Nobody would mistake Bowe for a speedster like Andrew Hawkins or Taylor Gabriel. But Bowe’s body positioning and long strides have thrown Cleveland’s defensive backs for a loop early in camp. He’s been open consistently and his hands rank near the top of the unit. A consistently dangerous Bowe would do wonders for this offense in the regular season.

[ARROW2]

LMAO

"show them how to eat, how to work"

GTFO



Is Sonic open?

[Iowanian]

I'm sure they'll enjoy the hell out of the 6 games per season that he plays like he gives a shit.

[Dave Lane]

Didn't Bowe fumble what would've been a touchdown late in the year? Kelce bailed that dumbass out.

Wasn't that Kelce's fumble that cost us a game?

[Hammock Parties]

Beating Haden deep.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking good even in Camo RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns">@Browns</a>: .<a href="https://twitter.com/DwayneBowe_80">@DwayneBowe_80</a> �� <a href="http://t.co/NILlO1hXqC">pic.twitter.com/NILlO1hXqC</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Sr (@JjzDad3) <a href="https://twitter.com/JjzDad3/status/627980538553368576">August 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Dartgod]

“He does an excellent job on the back-shoulder throws. He made one (yesterday). He does a real nice job getting his feet down. Obviously, he’s shown why we brought him here.”

Uh, no.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mLFFoHt8gtc/UsivXqXSeGI/AAAAAAAAA2Y/_Hm-SRfGJZU/s400/dbb.gif

[O.city]

See, he brings so much to the board

[Eleazar]

He must have been interested in football that day. Weird.

[Mr. Inmem]

I love Bowe and want him to succeed. He has had some of the worst quarterbacks to ever play in the NFL. He's been pretty humble throughout his career in KC.

[Dave Lane]

I love Bowe and want him to succeed. He has had some of the worst quarterbacks to ever play in the NFL. He's been pretty humble throughout his career in KC.

Agreed the shit storm of QBs he survived has to be legendary.

[MotherfuckerJones]

See, he brings so much to the board

It's pitiful. Truly is. What would we do without Clays gifs and videos of Bowe with the Browns?

[alpha_omega]

This ship has sailed...let's move on please.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Macklin 10x > Bowe

[ThaVirus]

Beating Haden deep.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking good even in Camo RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns">@Browns</a>: .<a href="https://twitter.com/DwayneBowe_80">@DwayneBowe_80</a> �� <a href="http://t.co/NILlO1hXqC">pic.twitter.com/NILlO1hXqC</a></p>— Jonathan Sr (@JjzDad3) <a href="https://twitter.com/JjzDad3/status/627980538553368576">August 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Hilarious

[RealSNR]

I guess Larry Fitzgerald's tanking numbers since Warner retired means he doesn't care about football anymore.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

McCown will feed him. They will be terrible on offense, but he will chuck it to Sonic.

[Hammock Parties]

McCown will feed him. They will be terrible on offense, but he will chuck it to Sonic.

They have more talent on offense than the Chiefs, and especially on the OL.

[Sorce]

http://i57.tinypic.com/286sg1d.jpg

[BlackOp]

Good for Bowe...I hope he does well. Terrible fit for Reid's route-specific offense though...I'm glad they split without too much butt-hurt.

[ThaVirus]

They have more talent on offense than the Chiefs, and especially on the OL.


You're reaching.

[Chiefnj2]

Reading between the lines: it's interesting that Reid didn't really try to tweak his system to try to get more production out of Bowe.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Browns more talent on offense? On what planet?

[BlackOp]

They have more talent on offense than the Chiefs, and especially on the OL.

Man..that's reaching..even for your troll ass.

[ptlyon]

Reading between the lines: it's interesting that Reid didn't really try to tweak his system to try to get more production out of Bowe.

You can't "tweak" a qb that can't throw

[Mr. Inmem]

They have more talent on offense than the Chiefs, and especially on the OL.

:facepalm:

[tk13]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Getting that work in with my dawg <a href="https://twitter.com/DwayneBowe_80">@DwayneBowe_80</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DawgPound?src=hash">#DawgPound</a> <a href="http://t.co/SP8yOzSnNd">pic.twitter.com/SP8yOzSnNd</a></p>&mdash; Joe Haden (@joehaden23) <a href="https://twitter.com/joehaden23/status/627963990052896768">August 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[RunKC]

Clay tries so hard

[Hammock Parties]

You're reaching.

When the Chiefs have like 1 good OL and 1 good WR it's really not.

[BlackOp]

Reading between the lines: it's interesting that Reid didn't really try to tweak his system to try to get more production out of Bowe.

He did tweak the system...sent Bowe packing and signed Maclin. ;)

[L.A. Chieffan]

They have Joe Thomas that's it. Stop smoking crack

[pugsnotdrugs19]

They have more talent on offense than the Chiefs, and especially on the OL.

I pray this is another troll.

Smith > McCown/Manziel
Charles > whoever the hell they start
Maclin > Bowe
Kelce > Barnidge

They do have the more proven line but we'll see when the season starts as far as that goes. Your post above is as crazy as I've heard in awhile.

[Sorce]

I think Bowe was a victim of Alex Smith's unwillingness to throw a dangerous pass. He did well with Cassel because he became sort of a safety blanket, just toss it up to Bowe and let him go get it. Bowe could not get enough separation to make it comfortable for Alex to throw to him.

[ThaVirus]

When the Chiefs have like 1 good OL and 1 good WR it's really not.


The only reason the comparison would even be close is if you include offensive line, which, let's be honest, no one ever does when you're talking about offensive talent.

Thomas and Mack are two of the best at their position. They also had a nice RB combo last season and drafted another, but who is their WR2? WR3? TE? Their QB situation leaves a shit ton to be desired.

Our QB > their QB situation.

Our RBs >>>>>>>>> their RBs.

Our TE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their TE.

Our WRs > their WRs.

[BlackOp]

I think Bowe was a victim of Alex Smith's unwillingness to throw a dangerous pass. He did well with Cassel because he became sort of a safety blanket, just toss it up to Bowe and let him go get it. Bowe could not get enough separation to make it comfortable for Alex to throw to him.

Bowe was a victim of himself...and his sloppy route running. Rice wasnt a burner but always knew where to be in a WCO.

[Hammock Parties]

The only reason the comparison would even be close is if you include offensive line, which, let's be honest, no one ever does when you're talking about offensive talent.

Um, you should include it, sorry. Especially because the Chiefs have very little.


Our WRs > their WRs.

Sorry man...Bowe and Maclin is a push. We don't have anyone as good as Hartline or Hawkins on the roster.

[ThaVirus]

I forgot they had Hartline. He's serviceable, maybe pretty good depending on the week and if he's not hurt.

Hawkins is buns. I can't believe you'd even mention him.

[RobBlake]

You can't "tweak" a qb that can't throw

you're right, a QB that got TDs to TEs and Rbs, but not too shitty Wrs that are either no longer on the team or lower in the depth chart. :LOL:

[Hammock Parties]

I forgot they had Hartline. He's serviceable, maybe pretty good depending on the week and if he's not hurt.

Hawkins is buns. I can't believe you'd even mention him.

He had over 800 yards last year.

Anyone on the Chiefs do that last year. LMAO

[RobBlake]

Um, you should include it, sorry. Especially because the Chiefs have very little.



Sorry man...Bowe and Maclin is a push. We don't have anyone as good as Hartline or Hawkins on the roster.

Maclin is 10x the Wr Bowe is. Dat and Wilson will provide some good games based off last year.

[ThaVirus]

He had over 800 yards last year.



Anyone on the Chiefs do that last year. LMAO


Avery nearly did that in 2013 and I'm sure you think he sucks.

Try again.

[ThaVirus]

Maclin is probably a B+ guy. Bowe, at this point, is probably a B-.

We'll know more after this season.

[ThaVirus]

If they still had Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron, I'd likely agree with you.

[ModSocks]

GoChiefs thinks the Chargers fixed their O-line by adding Orlando Franklin (while losing their Pro Bowl Center)....

His knowledge of football is poor...and his knowledge of other team's rosters is bare minimum to say the least.

[Hammock Parties]

Avery nearly did that in 2013 and I'm sure you think he sucks.

Try again.

Avery isn't a Chief anymore.

We have no one who has accomplished anything as a #2 or #3 WR in the NFL. Hartline and Hawkins > most of our WRs.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They have more talent on offense than the Chiefs, and especially on the OL.

ROFL ROFL just stop

[MotherfuckerJones]

He had over 800 yards last year.

Anyone on the Chiefs do that last year. LMAO

Not Bowe whom you say is a push with Maclin. Maclin smoked Bowe last year statistically.

[Hammock Parties]

Not Bowe whom you say is a push with Maclin. Maclin smoked Bowe last year statistically.

Gee, wonder why...

[ThaVirus]

He had over 800 yards last year.



Anyone on the Chiefs do that last year. LMAO



Gee, wonder why...


.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Count has sucked off turds on opposing teams since joining. It's hilarious.

[Al Bundy]

McClown is crap.. McClown did less with a bigger, faster better version of Bowe.

[Hammock Parties]

Count has sucked off turds on opposing teams since joining. It's hilarious.

Really? Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Brian Hartline and Andrew Hawkins are turds?

I wish we had some turds like that.

Shit, most of you don't even know who Mitchell Schwartz is...if we had him at RT we'd be much better off.

[wazu]

Just imagine the Alex Smith hate fest that will ensue in KC if Bowe cracks 1,000 yards.

[Hammock Parties]

Shit, the Browns BACKUP center is Cameron Erving, whom most of you would have killed your own mothers for during the draft...

[Mr. Inmem]

Just imagine the Alex Smith hate fest that will ensue in KC if Bowe cracks 1,000 yards.

He did it with Cassel :shrug:

[DaFace]

Good news out of Chiefs camp:

Clay: "Eh, that's bullshit. Let me know when we're in a real game."

Good news from the Browns camp:

Clay: "OMG WHY DID WE LET BOWE GO??????"

[DaneMcCloud]

Bowe is the best receiver we have had in a decade or more. Never understood why no one appreciated him.

You can be the best clown in the room but at the end of the day, you're still a clown.

[DaneMcCloud]

You're reaching.

He's not reaching, he's trolling

[Red Beans]

Good news out of Chiefs camp:

Clay: "Eh, that's bullshit. Let me know when we're in a real game."

Good news from the Browns camp:

Clay: "OMG WHY DID WE LET BOWE GO??????"

This.

[Sandy Vagina]

Just imagine the Alex Smith hate fest that will ensue in KC if Bowe cracks 1,000 yards.

It won't really matter. If Bowe gets 200 more yds in Cleveland, it will mean one or both of : He is back to playing hungry, +/or he is more heavily relied upon than he was in KC's scheme.

Really doesn't mean shit. I don't hate Bowe. He was just insanely overpaid, and was a poor fit for Andy's offense. Gots to go... bye Bowe, and g'luck.

[Mr. Inmem]

Usually after week 3 (regular season) is when I start to get a feel for this team, not during unpadded practices.

[ThaVirus]

It won't really matter. If Bowe gets 200 more yds in Cleveland, it will mean one or both of : He is back to playing hungry, +/or he is more heavily relied upon than he was in KC's scheme.



Really doesn't mean shit. I don't hate Bowe. He was just insanely overpaid, and was a poor fit for Andy's offense. Gots to go... bye Bowe, and g'luck.


And this is how you cover all your bases, folks.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

His road to 810 yards and 4 TDs has begun!

[Sorce]

Bowe was a victim of himself...and his sloppy route running. Rice wasnt a burner but always knew where to be in a WCO.

I won't argue that his route running was sloppy or that he needs to be fast. I'm not an Alex Smith hater, but I also think the reason Bowe put up more numbers with Cassel was he would throw dangerous passes and Bowe would use his size to get them. Alex isn't going to take that chance. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bowe put up better numbers this year and for Alex to put up better numbers with Maclin.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Clay just trolls to get clicks. It works

[Pasta Little Brioni]

...and yes when the Chiefs were rumored to be in on Hardline ,many called him a turd. Hawkins is a scrub by the way. You must really jerk it to Cecil Shorts.

[Hammock Parties]

His road to 810 yards and 4 TDs has begun!

If we got that out of our #2 this year people here would be masturbating wildly into their own feces.

[wazu]

It won't really matter. If Bowe gets 200 more yds in Cleveland, it will mean one or both of : He is back to playing hungry, +/or he is more heavily relied upon than he was in KC's scheme.

Really doesn't mean shit. I don't hate Bowe. He was just insanely overpaid, and was a poor fit for Andy's offense. Gots to go... bye Bowe, and g'luck.

No, it will be the most damning evidence to date that Alex Smith renders receivers useless. Especially if KC finishes 2015 without a thousand yard receiver.

I'm fine with Chiefs moving on from Bowe. He's getting older Maclin is s strong upgrade. But if Bowe proves he still has it after two years of suckage working with Smith...oomph.

[Hammock Parties]

...and yes when the Chiefs were rumored to be in on Hardline ,many called him a turd. Hawkins is a scrub by the way. You must really jerk it to Cecil Shorts.

Look these guys aren't great but compared to scrubs like Wilson and Conley and that Eagles castoff I can't even remember right now....yeah they are better.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

If we got that out of our #2 this year people here would be masturbating wildly into their own feces.

Bowe is the number one guy. Maclin, Kelce and Charles shit over most teams big 3. Destroy the Browns weapons. Not even debatable.

[Meatloaf]

Once upon a time, Bowe was a damn good WR. Then, Father Time took over and his desire to excel diminished.....at least here in KC. Last year, he only played when he wanted to, and that wasn't too often. His sit down "move" after catching a ball yielded exactly zero YAC. He rarely bent over to catch a low ball. He just didn't care that much.

But as I said, once upon a time, dude was a damn good WR. Perhaps the fire can be rekindled with a change of venue. Glad he's gone, but wish him well.

[mdchiefsfan]

He had over 800 yards last year.

Anyone on the Chiefs do that last year. LMAO

Travis Kelce had 862. :D

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The only life he breathes in will be to his next bong hit

[MotherfuckerJones]

Clays starts a thread on Bowe and the Browns and it's at 6 pages. That's why he's here. Shame on me for responding to his pathetic troll.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I have it at 2 pages and a sad 85 posts. You could start a Shoneys thread and wax it.

[Stryker]

Yawn, those passes will be going to Brian Hartline and Andrew Hawkins on game day.

[Pablo]

D-Bowe blowing shotgun hits into Manziel's mouth in local Denny's bathroom is more likely.

Seriously, they're the Browns. They're one of the only teams that Chiefs fans can rightly make fun of for their incompetence.

[Sandy Vagina]

No, it will be the most damning evidence to date that Alex Smith renders receivers useless. Especially if KC finishes 2015 without a thousand yard receiver.

I'm fine with Chiefs moving on from Bowe. He's getting older Maclin is s strong upgrade. But if Bowe proves he still has it after two years of suckage working with Smith...oomph.

That's really stupid.

If Bowe has 750 yds in 15 games (missed game 1 for suspension) in a spread it out scheme... but has 1,000 yds in a 16 game season for an offense that relies on him more...

then that's the damning evidence?

Sounds like you are just desperately searching for evidence.

[Sandy Vagina]

Clays starts a thread on Bowe and the Browns and it's at 6 pages. That's why he's here. Shame on me for responding to his pathetic troll.

Seriously doubt it matters who started this thread. It's still a sore topic for those who can't let go for various reasons. It was going to get attention regardless of who posted it.

[DaNewGuy]

They have more talent on offense than the Chiefs, and especially on the OL.

LMAO I can't believe people bit on this.......

[BlumpkinCounty]

Don't think KC is worse than Cleveland talent wise, but I could see Cleveland winning 9 with some decent QB play aka Manziel

[Strongside]

"Show them how to eat"

"Ok, fellas. You gotta hit the Sonic on Burlington after 2AM. The one in Riverside is open too, but the cops are thick over there. I got busted for weed right by Red X." - Dwayne Bowe.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Stop being stupid

[temper11]

I won't argue that his route running was sloppy or that he needs to be fast. I'm not an Alex Smith hater, but I also think the reason Bowe put up more numbers with Cassel was he would throw dangerous passes and Bowe would use his size to get them. Alex isn't going to take that chance. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bowe put up better numbers this year and for Alex to put up better numbers with Maclin.

this. Bowe is not Alex's type of receiver and Smith isn't Bowe's type of QB. Bad match.

[ThaVirus]

Apparently Joe Thomas got injured.

GoChiefs has got the Midas Touch, but in reverse.

[Hammock Parties]

Apparently Joe Thomas got injured.

GoChiefs has got the Midas Touch, but in reverse.

Nice try.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Word is Browns&#39; OT Joe Thomas should be fine after getting rolled up on in practice today. Consecutive snap streak isn&#39;t in jeopardy.</p>&mdash; Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/630798604874182656">August 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ming the Merciless]

Im gonna cry if Bowe has a better season than Maclin

or should I say WHEN Bowe has a better season

Because we are the chiefs

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Im gonna cry if Bowe has a better season than Maclin

or should I say WHEN Bowe has a better season

Because we are the chiefs

As long as we win playoff games. Who cares?

[Ming the Merciless]

As long as we win playoff games. Who cares?

i really hope youre not serious

playoffs?

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nWi1-AgA5g4?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Ming the Merciless]

if we win playoff gameS (especially with an S) I wouldnt care if they got snoop minnis or kordell stewart to suit up or if we literally had zero passing yards

the problem is we havent won any playoff games and I don't expect that to change this season

[Deberg_1990]

Im gonna cry if Bowe has a better season than Maclin

or should I say WHEN Bowe has a better season

Because we are the chiefs

That's a possibility. Most likely Bowe will get more targets than Maclin

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I will miss most of the games, so I have an epic feeling in my loins.

[ThaVirus]

Nice try.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Word is Browns&#39; OT Joe Thomas should be fine after getting rolled up on in practice today. Consecutive snap streak isn&#39;t in jeopardy.</p>&mdash; Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/630798604874182656">August 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Over/under on when you're back on the bandwagon week 9.5?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

if we win playoff gameS (especially with an S) I wouldnzt care if they got snoop minnis or kordell stewart to suit up or if we literally had zero passing yards

the problem is we havent won any playoff games and I don't expect that to change this season

It's happening gif

[Ming the Merciless]

I will miss most of the games, so I have an epic feeling in my loins.


yah im thinking about cancelling sunday ticket for similar reasons....

I know the season I cancel we will probably have the greatest season in history

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Over/under on when you're back on the bandwagon week 9.5?

Chiefs win 10 he eats a Shit sandwich and the bug he owes? Deal Count?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

yah im thinking about cancelling sunday ticket for similar reasons....

I know the season I cancel we will probably have the greatest season in history

Will watch on dvr but it sucks balls doing it that way. Horrible plus a lot of the time scores get spoiled.

[Tombstone RJ]

All Bowe needed was a QB...

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

All Bowe needed was a QB...

And a pair of half-decent legs for running. A brain to help him run precise routes wouldn't have hurt too.

[Sandy Vagina]

And a pair of half-decent legs for running. A brain to help him run precise routes wouldn't have hurt too.

I think he just needed to be working for a contract. Once he got paid well from KC, he put in the effort only when he felt like it.

[Hammock Parties]

I think he just needed to be working for a contract. Once he got paid well from KC, he put in the effort only when he felt like it.

Shut up about things you know nothing about, May 2013.

[Chromatic]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/805324/bowefail.gif

Better with video.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-8f4cOR_MBg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bowe CAN ball when he wants to and has a QB throwing to him.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LNdHmEUGME8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Mav]

Shut up about things you know nothing about, May 2013.

Why? That never stops your dumb ass. Bowe has been inactive the past week because of hamstring. he has also said that McCown is capable of being a top 5 qb in the league.

Let that FUCKING sink in you moron.

by all accounts of you know, actual browns fans who have been at camp, he has looked slow, and average.

:thumb:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

1000 incoming.

[Easy 6]

I maybe sniff a bit of hyperbole there, but he's just saying what he thinks will help... he'll be one of the very few ex-Chiefs, the first pretty much, that I follow with interest.

It'd be great to see him give the embattled Browns a bit of swagger.

[RunKC]

Most overrated Chief of all time

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Most awesome Chiefs receiver of the 2000's.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

They have more talent on offense than the Chiefs, and especially on the OL.

ROFL

[Red Dawg]

Bowe is not that great and yes he certainly didn't have a good QB in KC but he has a ton of short comings. Hands, speed, desire. He is not a bad guy though and won't be a problem in the locker room but he is regular joe and not a difference maker. He will have his moments but I doubt he will be amazing.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Better with video.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-8f4cOR_MBg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bowe CAN ball when he wants to and has a QB throwing to him.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LNdHmEUGME8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Yeah. Go get it Bowe. You gigantic pussy. Bye!

[mdchiefsfan]

Yeah. Go get it Bowe. You gigantic pussy. Bye!

So your NOT going to miss the "catch ball just beyond the 1st down marker and sit directly on ass" maneuver?!

Ah, I love Bowe and appreciate what he brought; I just think it was a decision of mutual interests for the Chiefs and Bowe to split directions. I would be more than happy to see him successful.

[TimBone]

Most overrated Chief of all time
Hahahahahaha.

Bull fucking shit.

[stevieray]

Uh, no.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mLFFoHt8gtc/UsivXqXSeGI/AAAAAAAAA2Y/_Hm-SRfGJZU/s400/dbb.gif
...:banghead:

[ViperVisor]

His 2010 was a nonsensical season where he was throw to on deeper routes like he was a a DeSeasn Jackson or Calvin Johnson type. Fast as hell or huge and fast and can leap up.

When you have RBs run for 2400 yards it's like free play and chuck it up.

This was a curse. It's not who he is.

Look at Anquan Boldin when he went to Flacco's chuck-ass.
Never caught 60% of his balls. Was not a big help to the offense.

Goes to SF and they use him like he should be used. Efficiency goes WAY up. Has the best season in his career. Not the biggest in yards and targets but it was the best in the crazy nice and conversion catches he had.

Kurt Warner came to town during his time in AZ and the BS was no more.

It was the crap chuck it of Josh McCown ironically in 2003 2004.

Boldin had to learn precision and timing with a QB like Warner.

Bowe never was forced to do that because it doesn't much matter with bad QBs.

[Mav]

ROFL


They have more talent on the oline. The Chiefs are better by far everywhere else.

[Hammock Parties]

Bowe never was forced to do that because it doesn't much matter with bad QBs.

Alex is all about that precise passing game, eh? LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

They have more talent on the oline. The Chiefs are better by far everywhere else.

Browns WRs > Maclin + turds

[Mr. Flopnuts]

So your NOT going to miss the "catch ball just beyond the 1st down marker and sit directly on ass" maneuver?!

Ah, I love Bowe and appreciate what he brought; I just think it was a decision of mutual interests for the Chiefs and Bowe to split directions. I would be more than happy to see him successful.

After watching that clip of that "catch attempt" against Pittsburgh again, I'm convinced Ole alligator arms Bowe could take a selfie and only get a picture of his chest!

[RealSNR]

His 2010 was a nonsensical season where he was throw to on deeper routes like he was a a DeSeasn Jackson or Calvin Johnson type. Fast as hell or huge and fast and can leap up.

When you have RBs run for 2400 yards it's like free play and chuck it up.

This was a curse. It's not who he is.

Look at Anquan Boldin when he went to Flacco's chuck-ass.
Never caught 60% of his balls. Was not a big help to the offense.

Goes to SF and they use him like he should be used. Efficiency goes WAY up. Has the best season in his career. Not the biggest in yards and targets but it was the best in the crazy nice and conversion catches he had.

Kurt Warner came to town during his time in AZ and the BS was no more.

It was the crap chuck it of Josh McCown ironically in 2003 2004.

Boldin had to learn precision and timing with a QB like Warner.

Bowe never was forced to do that because it doesn't much matter with bad QBs.

Why didn't Alex teach that technique to Bowe like Warner did with Boldin, apparently?

Why didn't he do it with ANY of his receivers in San Francisco?

Go shove a shotgun up your ass and blow off the top of your head, please.

[Mav]

Browns WRs > Maclin + turds


Well maclin is far better than anyone the Browns have. Hartline is garbage, Andrew Hawkins is average. Then they are relying on terrelle Pryor, marlon Moore, and Taylor Gabriel. The Browns have no running backs, and their starting tight end is Gary barnridge.

[ViperVisor]

Alex is all about that precise passing game, eh? LMAO

Easily the highest catch rate for Bowe in 2014.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Browns WRs > Maclin + turds

Proof of troll....or you really are a fucking dumbass. I'll go with troll. No person could really think that.

[Hammock Parties]

Hartline is garbage, Andrew Hawkins is average

Both would be far better than anything we have in KC not named Maclin.

[Mav]

Both would be far better than anything we have in KC not named Maclin.


My goodness.

[Hammock Parties]

My goodness.

Really? Albert Wilson and Conley are...nothing. Remains to even be seen if DAT can make it as a WR.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Both would be far better than anything we have in KC not named Maclin.

I'll go with Reid on this one rather than a kid with a keyboard.

[Hammock Parties]

I'll go with Reid on this one rather than a kid with a keyboard.

I'm 33.

And Reid would trade Albert Wilson for either of those guys in a microsecond.

[ViperVisor]

Why didn't Alex teach that technique to Bowe like Warner did with Boldin, apparently?

Why didn't he do it with ANY of his receivers in San Francisco?

Go shove a shotgun up your ass and blow off the top of your head, please.

It's not literally Warner teaching. It's the pass game of accuracy that trickles down to everyone. Coach has a QB that can execute it. Practicing it and Doing it in games over years. Peyton Manning doesn't teach WRs but the message is obvious and guys have to step up.

1st Alex Smith had to figure out how to QB himself.
With a different offense every year for the 49ers. And then Singletary offense. And then his guy got fired. And then Harbaugh.

The obvious improvement Bowe showed in the 2nd year didn't happen? Still not a great fit for Reid and why he was let go.

Reality is complex and nuanced.

Or we can continue the ignorance train here and act out with faux hate and childish insults.

[Hammock Parties]

Reality is complex and nuanced.


https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/e4sPjIUFgZ4-2h5gNv3RYCHI4Hs=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/696050/alexwtf.0.gif

[ViperVisor]

http://i.imgur.com/Guw8QEO.gif

[Sandy Vagina]

Or we can continue the ignorance train here and act out with faux hate and childish insults.

CP, bro... nothing's stopping that train. ;)

[MotherfuckerJones]

I'm 33.

And Reid would trade Albert Wilson for either of those guys in a microsecond.

Ya ever post that video of you eating that bug?

[MotherfuckerJones]

http://i.imgur.com/Guw8QEO.gif

Loved Bowe. But that sums him up. So talented but couldn't always make the play.

[Eleazar]

Loved Bowe. But that sums him up. So talented but couldn't always make the play.

The lack of concentration, yes

[ThaVirus]

http://i.imgur.com/Guw8QEO.gif

Should have been caught but that is a bad pass.

A good pass probably ends in a TD.

[ThaVirus]

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/e4sPjIUFgZ4-2h5gNv3RYCHI4Hs=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/696050/alexwtf.0.gif

Gah! Anticipate, Alex! Anticipate!

[Eleazar]

Should have been caught but that is a bad pass.

A good pass probably ends in a TD.

Routes have always been a problem for Bowe. Accuracy is not a problem for Smith. If I were to guess who screwed it up, besides the guy who exhibited one of his trademark drops, I'm not going to put it on Smith.

[MotherfuckerJones]

The lack of concentration, yes

Absolutely. If he had it all the time he could've been fantastic. Still love him.

[ThaVirus]

Accuracy is not a problem for Smith.

Riiiiight.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Should have been caught but that is a bad pass.

A good pass probably ends in a TD.

Should've been straight ahead.

[Mav]

Really? Albert Wilson and Conley are...nothing. Remains to even be seen if DAT can make it as a WR.


I like Albert Wilson. I like Avant. Hartline is okay, Bowe is average. But if you are being honest with yourself having Jamal and kelce helps the Chiefs wideouts.

[Mav]

Should have been caught but that is a bad pass.

A good pass probably ends in a TD.


That's not a bad pass. His pass to fasano at the end of the game was a bad pass.

[ThaVirus]

That's not a bad pass. His pass to fasano at the end of the game was a bad pass.

That pass was horrendous

[Mav]

That pass was horrendous


lol yes, yes it was

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Bowe is the best receiver we have had in a decade or more. Never understood why no one appreciated him.

Appreciate a guy who was in it for the money and did all the right things to make sure he got his paycheck at the end of the day? The guy was soft and didn't play with intensity, no GM in their right mind would pay him as much as we had to do when we were handcuffed to retain him.

[ViperVisor]

Come oooonnnn.

It was a mediocre pass. With an arm grabbing Smith right after release.

It was certainly catchable. It required an adjustment and an over the should catch.

Bad pass would be uncatchable or at least require a WOW highlight grab.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

This whole article smells of insecurity from Bowe. So glad he got busted for drugs because that contract was more toxic than Aldon Smith's blood alcohol level

[ThaVirus]

It was certainly catchable.

Certainly.

It required an adjustment and an over the should catch.

Hence why I said it was a bad pass.

Bad pass would be uncatchable or at least require a WOW highlight grab.

Semantics.

[ThaVirus]

The guy was soft and didn't play with intensity, no GM in their right mind would pay him as much as we had to do when we were handcuffed to retain him.

Right. Dorsey and Hunt just gave him that contract out of the kindness of their hearts.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Loved Bowe. But that sums him up. So talented but couldn't always make the play.


Exactly. Did enough to stay on the team, never enough for you to call him a hero.

[-King-]

Uh, no.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mLFFoHt8gtc/UsivXqXSeGI/AAAAAAAAA2Y/_Hm-SRfGJZU/s400/dbb.gif

I didn't know he admitted to basically not getting his feet down on purpose because he was worried about injuring his foot until earlier this year. That statement pretty much killed off my fandom of him. Pisses me off.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Right. Dorsey and Hunt just gave him that contract out of the kindness of their hearts.

Again, they were handcuffed to retain what they could that offseason including Mccluster followed by recruitment of future CFL hall of famer Avery. Bowe is trash and it's fitting he is playing for the Browns.

[-King-]

Certainly.



Hence why I said it was a bad pass.



Semantics.

It wasn't a bad pass. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest, but an above average WR should make that catch 75% of the time. A good WR should make it 90% of the time. No excuse for that drop.

[ThaVirus]

It wasn't a bad pass. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest, but an above average WR should make that catch 75% of the time. A good WR should make it 90% of the time. No excuse for that drop.

What percentage of the time does a franchise QB make a good pass?

[stevieray]

It wasn't a bad pass. Yeah, it wasn't the greatest, but an above average WR should make that catch 75% of the time. A good WR should make it 90% of the time. No excuse for that drop.

^
hits your hands, it's on you.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

I didn't know he admitted to basically not getting his feet down on purpose because he was worried about injuring his foot until earlier this year. That statement pretty much killed off my fandom of him. Pisses me off.

That GIF says it all. The guy could never create separation down the field in the Reid era, and he couldn't make the one big play to justify that he was above average. The Andy Roddick of Football.

[ThaVirus]

Again, they were handcuffed to retain what they could that offseason including Mccluster followed by recruitment of future CFL hall of famer Avery. Bowe is trash and it's fitting he is playing for the Browns.

So, again, Dorsey and Hunt just signed him to a generous contract out of the kindness of their hearts?

[stevieray]

I didn't know he admitted to basically not getting his feet down on purpose because he was worried about injuring his foot until earlier this year. That statement pretty much killed off my fandom of him. Pisses me off.

aaaannnnd playoff game over.

[ThaVirus]

That GIF says it all. The guy could never create separation down the field in the Reid era, and he couldn't make the one big play to justify that he was above average. The Andy Roddick of Football.

References gif showing Bowe with separation as definitive proof that Bowe could never create separation.

Genious.

[-King-]

What percentage of the time does a franchise QB make a good pass?

65-75% of the time I would guess.

[ThaVirus]

65-75% of the time I would guess.

We don't disagree entirely.

The ball should have been caught. The ball also should have been thrown better.

[Mav]

What percentage of the time does a franchise QB make a good pass?


Well considering Alex smith isn't a franchise qb......

[-King-]

References gif showing Bowe with separation as definitive proof that Bowe could never create separation.

Genious.

Proof of Bowe not getting separation is the fact he had the worst YAC per reception of all the Chiefs players. The Bowe we saw last year wasn't the Bowe of old. Back in the day, when Bowe got the ball, he was going to break the first tackle almost every time. Last year Bowe got tackled as soon as he got the ball pretty much every time. He didn't get separation enough to run after the catch or be able to break a tackle after the catch.

[NWTF]

Bowe will be fine without the Chiefs and the Chiefs will be fine without him.

Bowe is nothing special, but he will be better off on a team with a QB that actually throws to the WRs. I remember throughout last season listening to radio commentary. Talking about how they would go 4 or so drives into the game before Smith even looked Bowes way. That was the norm.

Maclin is an upgrade, and should get separation better than Bowe which could entice Smith to take a chance, but you guys expecting a skittish game manager to all of the sudden not be one are dreaming. Keep Charles healthy, get the oline to gel and a healthy D to wreak havok and that the rest will fall into place for this team. Alex Smith is a game manager who is very good at not turning the ball over and part of that is unfortunately avoiding the parts of the field where the WRs usually are.

[-King-]

We don't disagree entirely.

The ball should have been caught. The ball also should have been thrown better.

Yeah, I think we're on the same line of thought. If it's a good pass, then it should have been a TD. But it wasn't a bad pass enough to have been dropped.

[ViperVisor]

My guess is Reid and Dorsey saw his past QBs were trash.

They estimated that was most of the issue and he was still possibly a top 10 WR.

Not the case. He is a fairly good WR but was never a real good fit to be a 100+ target guy in this Smith and Reid offense.

[ThaVirus]

Proof of Bowe not getting separation is the fact he had the worst YAC per reception of all the Chiefs players. The Bowe we saw last year wasn't the Bowe of old. Back in the day, when Bowe got the ball, he was going to break the first tackle almost every time. Last year Bowe got tackled as soon as he got the ball pretty much every time. He didn't get separation enough to run after the catch or be able to break a tackle after the catch.

Without doing research, that's tough to say.

I don't remember the screen game focusing on Bowe very often. I'm sure guys like Wilson and DAT racked up a ton of their YAC totals off of screens.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

References gif showing Bowe with separation as definitive proof that Bowe could never create separation.

Genious.

You need to stop. If you think having a DB on your left hip is separation then you should look at a talented receiver like Maclin, Jones, Calvin, Cobb etc. And if that was separation by your definition then why did his dumbass not catch the ball in bounds?
Bowe apologists are the worst. A gutter team solicited him for work, that's all there is to know.

[ThaVirus]

You need to stop. If you think having a DB on your left hip is separation then you should look at a talented receiver like Maclin, Jones, Calvin, Cobb etc. And if that was separation by your definition then why did his dumbass not catch the ball in bounds?
Bowe apologists are the worst. A gutter team solicited him for work, that's all there is to know.

Take your own advice, seriously. I've been reading your bullshit all day and have yet to come across a salient point.

[ThaVirus]

Bowe had a full step on the CB. For all intents and purposes in the National Football League, that's wide open.

[ViperVisor]

Bowe film summary
http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/reception-perception-new-browns-receiver-dwayne-bowe-bring-value-to-a-depleted-pass-game.html

[Saccopoo]

Bowe is the best receiver we have had in a decade or more. Never understood why no one appreciated him.

Bowe was appreciated. He was a team guy who really put an effort in to be a part of the organization and city.

However, he's always been a "chuck it up dawg!" type of wideout. (Most likely due to starting football very late and just being bigger, stronger, faster than everybody he's played against. He never really learned or worked on proper route running and timing patterns (e.g., Odell Beckham), and as such wasn't a really good fit in the LaVell Edwards West Coast offensive system that Reid runs. However, it's also why he had pretty good seasons for most of his career with the Chiefs when guys like Huard, Croyle and Cassel were the QB's because they were never accurate dudes in the pocket and liked throwing it up for a guy like Bowe who would wrestle DB's for the possession.

He got some shit here (deservedly) for being a slack ass early in his career and not having very good concentration with the ball in the air about to hit his hands.

He should close out his career pretty well in Cleveland. Their offense is geared to his strengths and the two seasons he spent under Reid probably helped him a ton in terms of team contribution and learning the craft of offensive football more than any other time in his career.

I wish him luck and hope he does good for the remainder of his career.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Bowe was a sandlot WR. Put it up and let him make a play. Or hit him on slants and let him use his body.

[MTG#10]

Look these guys aren't great but compared to scrubs like Wilson and Conley and that Eagles castoff I can't even remember right now....yeah they are better.

Albert Wilson ain't no scrub. Dudes gonna beast this year, bookmark this post troll.

[Mav]

Albert Wilson ain't no scrub. Dudes gonna beast this year, bookmark this post troll.


I co-sign this message.

[Sorter]

His 2010 was a nonsensical season where he was throw to on deeper routes like he was a a DeSeasn Jackson or Calvin Johnson type. Fast as hell or huge and fast and can leap up.

When you have RBs run for 2400 yards it's like free play and chuck it up.

This was a curse. It's not who he is.

Look at Anquan Boldin when he went to Flacco's chuck-ass.
Never caught 60% of his balls. Was not a big help to the offense.

Goes to SF and they use him like he should be used. Efficiency goes WAY up. Has the best season in his career. Not the biggest in yards and targets but it was the best in the crazy nice and conversion catches he had.

Kurt Warner came to town during his time in AZ and the BS was no more.

It was the crap chuck it of Josh McCown ironically in 2003 2004.

Boldin had to learn precision and timing with a QB like Warner.

Bowe never was forced to do that because it doesn't much matter with bad QBs.

Wat.

[Mav]

Wat.


Dude...... Go read some of thetigeruppercutts posts.

Enjoy.

[Sorter]

Better with video.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-8f4cOR_MBg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


LMAO.

I'd forgotten about this. Fantastic example of how to not work away from the rotation.

[Sorter]

Dude...... Go read some of thetigeruppercutts posts.

Enjoy.

http://i.imgur.com/O59I1tY.gif

[MotherfuckerJones]

Boldin was huge for Flacco FYI VV

[-King-]

Better with video.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-8f4cOR_MBg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Yikes. I didn't remember it being that bad. Probably cause it was 2012 and I'm seeing multiple therapists to try and forget that season.

[teedubya]

Dwayne Whowe?

[ViperVisor]

Wat.

If you don't catch 60% of passes you are not helping an offense much. Unless you are a getting thrown to deep half the time looking for big play passes and then of course you can't expect to come down with 60% of your total passes.

If you read it as Boldin wasn't good that's not what I meant.

But having his routes focused more on 1st Downs than YPC suites him better. You could argue he did more for his team @ WR than anyone else in 2013.

[jspchief]

Good for Bowe. Hope he has a nice ending to his career.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Albert Wilson ain't no scrub. Dudes gonna beast this year, bookmark this post troll.

I feel the same. He's got that look and swag that inspires confidence

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Take your own advice, seriously. I've been reading your bullshit all day and have yet to come across a salient point.
So you must have watched a Maclin highlight reel and saw what makes a deep threat WR above average, right?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

If you don't catch 60% of passes you are not helping an offense much. Unless you are a getting thrown to deep half the time looking for big play passes and then of course you can't expect to come down with 60% of your total passes.

If you read it as Boldin wasn't good that's not what I meant.

But having his routes focused more on 1st Downs than YPC suites him better. You could argue he did more for his team @ WR than anyone else in 2013.

The people on here who think Boldin was a better fit with the Ravens is on crack. He has been on fire with the Niners. I didn't think a man that old in this league could play with that much intensity and production post winning a SB

[CleveSteve]

As a Browns fan, this is my perspective.

Across the line, there's not one guy I would swap out from the Browns for the Chiefs:

LT: Joe Thomas >> Eric Fisher
LG: Joel Bitonio > Ben Grubbs (JB was recognized as top rookie by PFF and should have been a Pro Bowler last year)
C: Alex Mack >> Kush
RG: John Greco (or Cam Erving) > Jeff Allen
RT: Mitchell Schwartz (or Michael Bowie) > Donald Stephenson

At the skill positions, this is obviously a different story.

RB: Duke Johnson < Jamaal Charles (obviously Charles is one of the best. I think DJ has potential but it's completely unproven)
RB: Isaiah Crowell = Knile Davis (I think this is a push. I like both guys a lot but they both have fumbling issues)
WR1: Bowe << Maclin (Maclin is a stud)
WR2: Hartline > Wilson (Hartline has topped 1,000 yards in two of the past three seasons.)
WRs: Hawkins > DAT (Thomas has to show something to be thought of as in the arena of Hawkins.)
WRd: Gabriel > Conley (I liked Conley at Georgia, but Gabriel was really good as a rookie and is better now. Gabriel was 9th among all rookies in receiving yards (621) last year as the 4th WR option on a crappy offense.)
TE: Barnidge < Kelce
FB: Johnson < Sherman

But the kicker is neither of us have a QB that's good enough, so not sure how much it matters in the end :/

QB: McCown = Smith

So overall, if you line up man by man I would say our players are better, but we don't have any difference makers and you guys have two real ones in Charles and Maclin. In that case I have to give the nod to you guys, because touchdowns are scored on big plays.

JMO.

[TEX]

As a Browns fan, this is my perspective.

Across the line, there's not one guy I would swap out from the Browns for the Chiefs:

LT: Joe Thomas >> Eric Fisher
LG: Joel Bitonio > Ben Grubbs (JB was recognized as top rookie by PFF and should have been a Pro Bowler last year)
C: Alex Mack >> Kush
RG: John Greco (or Cam Erving) > Jeff Allen
RT: Mitchell Schwartz (or Michael Bowie) > Donald Stephenson

At the skill positions, this is obviously a different story.

RB: Duke Johnson < Jamaal Charles (obviously Charles is one of the best. I think DJ has potential but it's completely unproven)
RB: Isaiah Crowell = Knile Davis (I think this is a push. I like both guys a lot but they both have fumbling issues)
WR1: Bowe << Maclin (Maclin is a stud)
WR2: Hartline > Wilson (Hartline has topped 1,000 yards in two of the past three seasons.)
WRs: Hawkins > DAT (Thomas has to show something to be thought of as in the arena of Hawkins.)
WRd: Gabriel > Conley (I liked Conley at Georgia, but Gabriel was really good as a rookie and is better now. Gabriel was 9th among all rookies in receiving yards (621) last year as the 4th WR option on a crappy offense.)
TE: Barnidge < Kelce
FB: Johnson < Sherman

But the kicker is neither of us have a QB that's good enough, so not sure how much it matters in the end :/

QB: McCown = Smith

So overall, if you line up man by man I would say our players are better, but we don't have any difference makers and you guys have two real ones in Charles and Maclin. In that case I have to give the nod to you guys, because touchdowns are scored on big plays.

JMO.

But Cleveland is CURSED worse than KC and your front office is retarded. So, it really doesnt matter how good you think your players are. In the end it will always = fail. The tradition continues...:shrug:

[CleveSteve]

But Cleveland is CURSED worse than KC and your front office is retarded. So, it really doesnt matter how good you think your players are. In the end it will always = fail. The tradition continues...:shrug:

good point. I'll just pack up my tent and go home, lol.

[ChiTown]

As a Browns fan, this is my perspective.

Across the line, there's not one guy I would swap out from the Browns for the Chiefs:

LT: Joe Thomas >> Eric Fisher
LG: Joel Bitonio > Ben Grubbs (JB was recognized as top rookie by PFF and should have been a Pro Bowler last year)
C: Alex Mack >> Kush
RG: John Greco (or Cam Erving) > Jeff Allen
RT: Mitchell Schwartz (or Michael Bowie) > Donald Stephenson

At the skill positions, this is obviously a different story.

RB: Duke Johnson < Jamaal Charles (obviously Charles is one of the best. I think DJ has potential but it's completely unproven)
RB: Isaiah Crowell = Knile Davis (I think this is a push. I like both guys a lot but they both have fumbling issues)
WR1: Bowe << Maclin (Maclin is a stud)
WR2: Hartline > Wilson (Hartline has topped 1,000 yards in two of the past three seasons.)
WRs: Hawkins > DAT (Thomas has to show something to be thought of as in the arena of Hawkins.)
WRd: Gabriel > Conley (I liked Conley at Georgia, but Gabriel was really good as a rookie and is better now. Gabriel was 9th among all rookies in receiving yards (621) last year as the 4th WR option on a crappy offense.)
TE: Barnidge < Kelce
FB: Johnson < Sherman

But the kicker is neither of us have a QB that's good enough, so not sure how much it matters in the end :/

QB: McCown = Smith

So overall, if you line up man by man I would say our players are better, but we don't have any difference makers and you guys have two real ones in Charles and Maclin. In that case I have to give the nod to you guys, because touchdowns are scored on big plays.

JMO.

In what world does Josh McCown = Alex Smith? Not even close, and I am NO Alex Smith homer.

[Red Dawg]

I feel the same. He's got that look and swag that inspires confidence

His bust is waiting for him in Canton. Wilson the GOAT.

[CleveSteve]

In what world does Josh McCown = Alex Smith? Not even close, and I am NO Alex Smith homer.

Probably just in my preseason optimistic world where the Browns can get more of the Chicago Josh McCown than the Tampa Josh McCown now that he's playing behind the first good OL he's seen in his career.

*edit* and BTW, for me when it comes to QBs, there's only three categories, and it's not continuous. That's why the =.

Great:
Rodgers, Brady, Luck, Roethlisberger {blech}, Brees, Old Manning

Good Enough:
Romo, Wilson, other Manning, Rivers, Flacco, Stafford, Ryan, Newton, Cutler, maybe Tannehill, maybe Carr, maybe Bridgewater

Not Good Enough:
Everyone else

[ChiTown]

Probably just in my preseason optimistic world where the Browns can get more of the Chicago Josh McCown than the Tampa Josh McCown now that he's playing behind the first good OL he's seen in his career.

He's 36 years old. He is who he is, regardless of what OL he is playing with. We aren't talking about Joe Montana-like qb finishing his career with the playoff-ready Chiefs. This is Josh McCown and the Cleveland Browns.

[TEX]

good point. I'll just pack up my tent and go home, lol.

Naw dude, just messing with you. You can stay. BUT just DONT GET YOUR HOPES UP because they will be CRUSHED. (Again). ;)

[The Franchise]

Good for Bowe. Hope he has a nice ending to his career.

This.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Alex Smith > McCown.

[The Franchise]

Alex Smith > McCown.

Depends on the offense.

[O.city]

Not really pest


And anyone who refers to Romo as just "good enough" is, well, wrong.

[Bufkin]

It's pitiful. Truly is. What would we do without Clays gifs and videos of Bowe with the Browns?
You would eat a cum covered croissant to bring 1/5,000th to this board what Clay does.

[MotherfuckerJones]

You would eat a cum covered croissant to bring 1/5,000th to this board what Clay does.

Still mad bro. Back off. You're stepping on my dick.

[Bufkin]

Still mad bro. Back off. You're stepping on my dick.
I couldn't possibly be mad at you sunshine. And maybe if your big black mamba dong wasn't in my way, I wouldn't step on it.

[Mav]

You would eat a cum covered croissant to bring 1/5,000th to this board what Clay does.


Get brutally face fucked you ball gargling bitch.

[The Franchise]

Not really pest


And anyone who refers to Romo as just "good enough" is, well, wrong.

Dude....do you think Alex Smith would survive on that Bears offense where McCown was throwing jump balls up to Alshon and Marshall?

[Mav]

Dude....do you think Alex Smith would survive on that Bears offense where McCown was throwing jump balls up to Alshon and Marshall?


And Bennett

[O.city]

Dude....do you think Alex Smith would survive on that Bears offense where McCown was throwing jump balls up to Alshon and Marshall?

Probably not, but I don't think Mccown really did much either.

[Bufkin]

Get brutally face ****ed you ball gargling bitch.
Stay out of this Kirstie Alley, this doesn't involve you. Just stand back okay?

[The Franchise]

Probably not, but I don't think Mccown really did much either.

1800 yards, 13 TDs and 1 INT in 8 games. It's the ENTIRE reason that he got a contract from the Bucs.

[O.city]

1800 yards, 13 TDs and 1 INT in 8 games. It's the ENTIRE reason that he got a contract from the Bucs.

Yeah, but he had good wr's with similar skills in Tampa and shit himself.

[The Franchise]

Yeah, but he had good wr's with similar skills in Tampa and shit himself.

That's not what we're discussing though.

Alex Smith wouldn't fit in the Bears offense that he succeeded in.

[MotherfuckerJones]

People act like Alex can't chuck. He may not be the most accurate but he's proven, when given time he can do it.

Edit: when he has WRs that can get open and catch. No the shit show last season.

[O.city]

That's not what we're discussing though.

Alex Smith wouldn't fit in the Bears offense that he succeeded in.

Probably not.

I was speaking more to the fact that McCown sucks and was pissed that someone said he didn't. Sorry, didn't really mean to start this commentary, so I'll concede to that and carry on.

[The Franchise]

Probably not.

I was speaking more to the fact that McCown sucks and was pissed that someone said he didn't. Sorry, didn't really mean to start this commentary, so I'll concede to that and carry on.

I wasn't trying to start an argument. McCown sucks.....I can definitely admit that.

I just think that Smith wouldn't survive in an offense like Chicago had. He'd still be checking down to Forte 95% of the game.

[Mav]

Stay out of this Kirstie Alley, this doesn't involve you. Just stand back okay?


Oh, but when it involves you defending clay erroneously it does involve me. So DIAF okay?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Word is that Bowe had a penis reduction before Browns camp. Believed it was 'slowing him down' on the 9 route. We'll see.

[Hamburglar]

Austin had 47 receptions for 568 yards and two TDs last year. I doubt Bowe does that well.

[jonzie04]

Bowe could get 1100 and 15 tds again and it doesn't matter. He clearly wasn't a good fit in this scheme with this QB, and he never would have seen anything even close to that kind of success here. What was Dorsey going to do? Replace Bowe with a much younger WR who fits much better, or keep Bowe and get rid of Andy and Alex, and Peterson? I like Bowe and I wish him the best. Moving on from him was a good thing for both this franchise and Dwayne Bowe.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Oh, but when it involves you defending clay erroneously it does involve me. So DIAF okay?

Clay has his own cult on this board. What's your expectation for your three teams this year Mav?

[Bufkin]

Oh, but when it involves you defending clay erroneously it does involve me. So DIAF okay?
Why would defending Clay involve you? Serious question. Also, please answer limp dick's question. Which of your 3 teams are going to make it to the promised land this year? Thanks in advance.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

People act like Alex can't chuck. He may not be the most accurate but he's proven, when given time he can do it.

Edit: when he has WRs that can get open and catch. No the shit show last season.

Vernon Davis would agree with your statement. Crabtree was a terrible route runner until Moss gave him a few lessons (shortly after would tear his Achilles), Josh Morgan broke his leg early in 2011 and was never the same, and Ted Ginn had hands made of stone...yet despite all of this Smith never had issue throwing deep to Davis. Football 'fans' are so ignorant of reality.

[ThaVirus]

Vernon Davis would agree with your statement. Crabtree was a terrible route runner until Moss gave him a few lessons (shortly after would tear his Achilles), Josh Morgan broke his leg early in 2011 and was never the same, and Ted Ginn had hands made of stone...yet despite all of this Smith never had issue throwing deep to Davis. Football 'fans' are so ignorant of reality.

So many excuses.

[MahiMike]

Of course Bowe is playing well. It's preseason.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

So many excuses.

Yes, you're right. Alex Smith should have thrown passes to the bench where Braylon Edwards and Josh Morgan would remain until they were kicked off the roster. Genius post.

Please tell us all...how did the above including Ginn and Crabtree's careers turn out post- Alex Smith era?

[Mav]

Clay has his own cult on this board. What's your expectation for your three teams this year Mav?


Ouch babe, ouch.

[Mav]

Of course Bowe is playing well. It's preseason.


Yeah. He's peddling the shit out of that exercise bike!

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Anyone is gonna play a little faster with 4 less pounds of cock weight. Simple physics.

[Coochie liquor]

As a Browns fan, this is my perspective.

Across the line, there's not one guy I would swap out from the Browns for the Chiefs:

LT: Joe Thomas >> Eric Fisher
LG: Joel Bitonio > Ben Grubbs (JB was recognized as top rookie by PFF and should have been a Pro Bowler last year)
C: Alex Mack >> Kush
RG: John Greco (or Cam Erving) > Jeff Allen
RT: Mitchell Schwartz (or Michael Bowie) > Donald Stephenson

At the skill positions, this is obviously a different story.

RB: Duke Johnson < Jamaal Charles (obviously Charles is one of the best. I think DJ has potential but it's completely unproven)
RB: Isaiah Crowell = Knile Davis (I think this is a push. I like both guys a lot but they both have fumbling issues)
WR1: Bowe << Maclin (Maclin is a stud)
WR2: Hartline > Wilson (Hartline has topped 1,000 yards in two of the past three seasons.)
WRs: Hawkins > DAT (Thomas has to show something to be thought of as in the arena of Hawkins.)
WRd: Gabriel > Conley (I liked Conley at Georgia, but Gabriel was really good as a rookie and is better now. Gabriel was 9th among all rookies in receiving yards (621) last year as the 4th WR option on a crappy offense.)
TE: Barnidge < Kelce
FB: Johnson < Sherman

But the kicker is neither of us have a QB that's good enough, so not sure how much it matters in the end :/

QB: McCown = Smith

So overall, if you line up man by man I would say our players are better, but we don't have any difference makers and you guys have two real ones in Charles and Maclin. In that case I have to give the nod to you guys, because touchdowns are scored on big plays.



JMO.

You Cleveland fans are ridiculous. McClown is garbage. You'll see. I'm not a big Alex Smith fan, but he's tons better than McClown.

[ThaVirus]

Yes, you're right. Alex Smith should have thrown passes to the bench where Braylon Edwards and Josh Morgan would remain until they were kicked off the roster. Genius post.

Please tell us all...how did the above including Ginn and Crabtree's careers turn out post- Alex Smith era?

In a Super Bowl appearance

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

In a Super Bowl appearance

:LOL:

[Mav]

In a Super Bowl appearance


Ginn was in Carolina. Carry on.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Ouch babe, ouch.

That's wasn't an insult lol I was asking

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

:LOL:

In a Super Bowl appearance

The idiocy on this board can be too much. For years I have been reading this crap and a select few it seems, the 10-15%, are responsible for 80% of the junk that gets posted.

[ThaVirus]

U mad?

[MotherfuckerJones]

The idiocy on this board can be too much. For years I have been reading this crap and a select few it seems, the 10-15%, are responsible for 80% of the junk that gets posted.

For years? Join date 2014 :hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:

[Marcellus]

In a Super Bowl appearance

And you could very well argue Smith would have won that SB.

Kap was a turnover machine. He made up for it until he didnt and his story since tells you what you need to know.

I said it THEN and I will say it now, Harbough fucked up not sticking with Smith. Not that it has anything to do with the Chiefs now but the chemistry on that team with Smith was killing it and then Kap's turnovers kiled that defense.

That was a 100% ego driven decision made by the FO and coaching staff.

Its working out great for that franchise now.

[O.city]

They went with the higher upside, younger player. Kap just didn't progress as hoped.

Persinally, i don't like the "smith could have done it too" rhetoric, because it's unknowable.

[Marcellus]

They went with the higher upside, younger player. Kap just didn't progress as hoped.

Persinally, i don't like the "smith could have done it too" rhetoric, because it's unknowable.

No more unknowable than 95% of the opinions given here.

That season Smith was on his best satistical tragectory. Thats a fact.

[Hammock Parties]

No more unknowable than 95% of the opinions given here.

That season Smith was on his best staistical tragectory. Thats a fact.

And the 49ers STILL weren't scoring more points than they had been, because he STILL wasn't throwing the ball down the field. He was averaging 200 yards passing a game. WOO FUCKING HOO.

[ThaVirus]

They went with the higher upside, younger player. Kap just didn't progress as hoped.

Persinally, i don't like the "smith could have done it too" rhetoric, because it's unknowable.


.