Chiefs vs Texans predictions

[TLO]

Chiefs 20
Texans 10

[DaFace]

I think we win, but it'll be a hard-fought game that brings those who are predicting 12+ wins down a notch. Maybe 17-13 or so.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Chiefs win by 1.

[Wallcrawler]

The Texans offense should not be able to do very much against our defense. Foster is out, Blue isn't much to write home about. Hoyer doesn't scare anyone at QB and outside of Hopkins they don't have much talent at WR.

The Texans strength is in its defense, and if Andy Reid can keep from shitting his pants on the sideline, The Chiefs should win this game pretty decisively.

Only a COLOSSAL fuckup in the offensive gameplan gives the Texans much hope to win. With the talent we have, we should kick their asses.

Now, will ALL of that talent actually be utilized? That's up to Reid.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The Texans offense should not be able to do very much against our defense. Foster is out, Blue isn't much to write home about. Hoyer doesn't scare anyone at QB and outside of Hopkins they don't have much talent at WR.

The Texans strength is in its defense, and if Andy Reid can keep from shitting his pants on the sideline, The Chiefs should win this game pretty decisively.

Only a COLOSSAL fuckup in the offensive gameplan gives the Texans much hope to win. With the talent we have, we should kick their asses.

Now, will ALL of that talent actually be utilized? That's up to Reid.

And at this point, "game day Reid" should be the only major concern of any Chiefs fan.

As an aside, if you have to build a team to carry both the QB AND the fucking head coach???

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.....

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

31-10 Chiefs

[Hammock Parties]

Texans 24
Chiefs 14

Alex gets another 24+ loss, 3-38-1

[Wallcrawler]

And at this point, "game day Reid" should be the only major concern of any Chiefs fan.

As an aside, if you have to build a team to carry both the QB AND the ****ing head coach???

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.....

Yeah, good luck with that.

Dude is great as a team builder, motivator, teacher, etc..... but God Damn can he shove his head up his ass at the worst times calling plays.

Sometimes I wonder if Pederson calling the plays wouldn't get the offense over the hump. Andy locks in on the passing game, and he overthinks the simplest shit. I mean come on, 1st and goal at the one inch line and you need a fucking timeout JUST TO GET THE PLAY IN? Really?

Reid will never give up the playcalling though. Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

[Mav]

I think we win, but it'll be a hard-fought game that brings those who are predicting 12+ wins down a notch. Maybe 17-13 or so.


Road games in the NFL are hard to win period. So whether it's by 1 point or 21 it doesn't affect the way I feel about this Chiefs team.

[threebag]

Chiefs win.

[Beef Supreme]

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[Molitoth]

Texans 17
Chiefs 13

[KC_Lee]

KC - 27
Houston - 15

[MahiMike]

31-17 chiefs

[Simply Red]

Chiefs 27
Texans 12

[Bowser]

I think we win, but it'll be a hard-fought game that brings those who are predicting 12+ wins down a notch. Maybe 17-13 or so.

This feels right, but I'm not ready to iron clad guarantee that we will win, though. This game overall has the feel of a 17-13, 16-10 kind of a game. These two defenses are really good. This will be the kind of game that would have given 1990's Marty Schottenheimer a chub.

[RunKC]

23-10 KC

[Rausch]

Ugly win.

17-13 or something like that...

[Rausch]

I think we win, but it'll be a hard-fought game that brings those who are predicting 12+ wins down a notch. Maybe 17-13 or so.

Mother-fuck!

Great minds think alike I guess...

[Big Tedd]

Chiefs 13
Houston 6

Very Defensive game.

[SAUTO]

38-10 chiefs

[FlaChief58]

Defensive battle 9-6 Chiefs

[Rausch]

Defensive battle 9-6 Chiefs

We'll be lucky if Syrup Santos can nail 3 xps in a row...

[FlaChief58]

We'll be lucky if Syrup Santos can nail 3 xps in a row...

He'll go 3 of 5

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Chiefs 23
Texans 13

[staylor26]

Stephenson starts at LT and Fisher at RT.

[wazu]

I think we will win because we have a better quarterback.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think we will win because we have a better quarterback.

I C WHAWT U DID THAR.

In this case however, you are more than likely correct.

[bevischief]

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This

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Chiefs 27
Texans 16

[jjchieffan]

Texans 24
Chiefs 14

Alex gets another 24+ loss, 3-38-1

Sweet!! Thanks for guaranteeing a victory for the Chiefs. After they beat some good teams please don't flip flop and bring your jinx with you again like last year. I like you picking the Chiefs to lose. They usually win.

[Discuss Thrower]

13-9 Texans win.

[Pablo]

Chiefs 21-13.

[O.city]

Fuck this ugly win bullshit.

[New World Order]

16-13 Chiefs

[MotherfuckerJones]

Chiefs 24
Texans 17

[eDave]

I think we roll them. 34-10.

[tmax63]

20-13 Chiefs. Defense scores a pick six.

[DaneMcCloud]

31-13 Chiefs.

Brian Hoyer is not going to beat Houston, Hali, DJ, Poe, Bailey, Howard, Abdullah, Berry and Parker.

The Texans have no running game and only one receiving threat.

[TLO]

Eric Fisher will line up at TE and catch a TD pass. Take it to the bank.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Eric Fisher will line up at TE and catch a TD pass. Take it to the bank.

HE'S NOT A BUST! HE'S A GODDAMN, MULTI-TASKING FORCE OF NATURE!

YOU'LL BE A GENERAL IN THIS ARMY ONE DAY, GUMP!

[gblowfish]

Chiefs win 75-0. Peyton Manning retires the following Monday not wanting to face the unquestionable eventual Super Bowl Champions.

[MMXcalibur]

Chiefs win 75-0. Peyton Manning retires the following Monday not wanting to face the unquestionable eventual Super Bowl Champions.

Heeeeeyyyyy.......I'm getting two very different messages between this post and your latest 10 things.

Please deconflict.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Chiefs win 75-0. Peyton Manning retires the following Monday not wanting to face the unquestionable eventual Super Bowl Champions.

LMAO

[TEX]

I think the Texans front 7 bitch slaps the Chiefs OL but KC still has enough to win. It might be ugly, but a win is a win...

KC - 20
HOU - 16

[Reerun_KC]

Chiefs -
Texans -

This game depends on if Reid goes into his normal sugar induced diabetic coma during critical situations or not, along with Smith stretching the field in Reids vaunted short horizontal passing offense.

If those two don't fuck it up per usual. Then Chiefs havve a very solid chance of winning this game.

[Halfcan]

I don't see how this will be close.

Houston D- Watt will make some plays for sure. Wilpork-old and fat. Clownshoes- has not done shit, will probably get hurt coming onto the field. They will be completely over matched.

Houston O- Will be the first team to get shut down by the Chiefs D. They will get a couple of big running plays and some meaningless field goals-but won't sniff the the endzone.

Chiefs 41 Texans 6

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

We win by 3 scores.

[Reerun_KC]

We win by 3 scores.

So you're calling 12-3 in favor of the Chiefs?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

I don't see how this will be close.

Houston D- Watt will make some plays for sure. Wilpork-old and fat. Clownshoes- has not done shit, will probably get hurt coming onto the field. They will be completely over matched.

Houston O- Will be the first team to get shut down by the Chiefs D. They will get a couple of big running plays and some meaningless field goals-but won't sniff the the endzone.

Chiefs 41 Texans 6

This. I could see two pick 6's benefitting us. So glad I drafted the Chiefs defense in my league.

[chiefzilla1501]

I usually hate game managing. But this is a game where Alex can and should do that.

Houston has no running game. They have a mistake-prone QB who's terrible under pressure and an interior OL that's really, really spotty. I expect the running game to do little, Hoyer to throw a few picks, and Hoyer to throw a few big plays but be otherwise lackluster. Chiefs will not score many points but they will control the clock and they will dominate the field position game. I could see the Chiefs winning something like 20-12 with most of our points coming off turnovers

[Halfcan]

This. I could see two pick 6's benefitting us. So glad I drafted the Chiefs defense in my league.

Yep I think this D will shit them down.

Texans announce new QB for week 2.

[eDave]

I usually hate game managing. But this is a game where Alex can and should do that.

Houston has no running game. They have a mistake-prone QB who's terrible under pressure and an interior OL that's really, really spotty. I expect the running game to do little, Hoyer to throw a few picks, and Hoyer to throw a few big plays but be otherwise lackluster. Chiefs will not score many points but they will control the clock and they will dominate the field position game. I could see the Chiefs winning something like 20-12 with most of our points coming off turnovers

I never understood the dismissals of 'game management'. Sucks for FF I suppose.

[chiefzilla1501]

I never understood the dismissals of 'game management'. Sucks for FF I suppose.

i don't mind game managers.

But you have to do 2 things: close games and convert 3rd downs. Alex does not do either of those things consistently well.

In this case, you manage the game because your strategy is to wait for the other team to fuck up. And win the field position game. You can win this by not making mistakes on offense.

[eDave]

i don't mind game managers.

But you have to do 2 things: close games and convert 3rd downs. Alex does not do either of those things consistently well.

In this case, you manage the game because your strategy is to wait for the other team to fuck up. And win the field position game. You can win this by not making mistakes on offense.

We need a QB and coach who excel in risk management and mitigation.

[Reerun_KC]

i don't mind game managers.

But you have to do 2 things: close games and convert 3rd downs. Alex does not do either of those things consistently well.

In this case, you manage the game because your strategy is to wait for the other team to **** up. And win the field position game. You can win this by not making mistakes on offense.

Alex doesn't convert them well because Reid doesn't manage the game properly.

Alex is an extension of Reid on the field. They both have serious limitations and together they equal more often than not a clusterfuck.

[TEX]

I don't see how this will be close.

Houston D- Watt will make some plays for sure. Wilpork-old and fat. Clownshoes- has not done shit, will probably get hurt coming onto the field. They will be completely over matched.

Houston O- Will be the first team to get shut down by the Chiefs D. They will get a couple of big running plays and some meaningless field goals-but won't sniff the the endzone.

Chiefs 41 Texans 6

ROFL

They'll also get a few big passing plays. Remember, we're starting a rookie and 2nd year CB. (I could KILL Smith for letting the team down) Hopkins will eat their lunch all day. No way KC wins by 5 TD's.

I'll stick with my prediction of KC 20- HOU 16. Bet that's way closer...;)

[Ming the Merciless]

28-17 chiefs

Jamaal 3 td

Kelce 1td

[Reerun_KC]

28-17 chiefs

Jamaal 3 td

Kelce 1td

Dayum. Alex gonna be slinging it? 3 TDs for gameday Smith?

[mcaj22]

15-7 Texans

Alex continues from last season where hes unable to out duel crappy QBs. See: Jake Locker, Drew Stanton, Derek Carr.

add Brian Hoyer to that list of steamy turds that Alex cant out throw when it matters most.

[MMXcalibur]

11 people are afraid of the Brian Hoyer-led and Arian Foster-depleted Houston Texans.

...and 1 is afraid of Gaz.

[Coochie liquor]

14-13 Chiefs!

[Mojo Jojo]

i don't mind game managers.

But you have to do 2 things: close games and convert 3rd downs. Alex does not do either of those things consistently well.

In this case, you manage the game because your strategy is to wait for the other team to **** up. And win the field position game. You can win this by not making mistakes on offense.
I believe having Jeremy Maclin vs. D. Bowe will increase 3rd down conversions.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I believe hope like hell having Jeremy Maclin vs. D. Bowe will increase 3rd down conversions.

There we go.

[Mile High Mania]

I think it will be fairly close, but mostly hard to watch... KC is the better team, but only 9-7 on the road the last two seasons. However, the Texans are lacking in most key areas, especially on offense.

I think the **** team wins this one, 16-9... with lots of action from the kickers and defense on both sides. ****** fans will be happy with the win.

I had to redact some information since I've seen the future and all...

[Halfcan]

ROFL

They'll also get a few big passing plays. Remember, we're starting a rookie and 2nd year CB. (I could KILL Smith for letting the team down) Hopkins will eat their lunch all day. No way KC wins by 5 TD's.

I'll stick with my prediction of KC 20- HOU 16. Bet that's way closer...;)

I am counting a defensive TD. I think we get 4 turnovers that put us in great field position all day.

[Chiefnj2]

KC will throw more screens than passes 8 yards downfield.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Chiefs win 12-10 in an embarrassing offensive derpfest

[DMAC]

28-3 CP will Squeee

[Reerun_KC]

KC will throw more screens than passes 8 yards downfield.

Because Andy Reid...

[Lightrise]

One of those rare times where I think they are far better prepared than even they think. I see this as a blowout ballgame that sets the stage for an incredible high next week against Denver. I just have a feeling that this team makes a statement and in doing so we might be set up for one heck of a fun season. This team is so different from anything we've seen in a long long time.

[Mav]

Week 1 games are so hard to predict. I think the Chiefs win. Common denominator being at Alex Smith is far less likely to have a costly turnover. Control watt, control the game.

24-13 Chiefs.

[Mile High Mania]

Is Kelce playing?

[duncan_idaho]

Two elite defenses squaring off in this one. Game could very well come down to which team gets a defensive score or more points set up by turnovers.

The Texans were elite on D last year, and they forced 34 turnovers without a tremendous pass rusher. If they get any help at all on that front from Clowney (who is a prodigiously talented freak of nature), Houston could be even better.

Losing Foster is obviously a huge blow to the Texans offense, but they still were a strong running team last season, and the Chiefs have been a bottom 10 run D two years running under Sutton, so I'm not ready to say ANY NFL run game is something the Chiefs don't need to worry about ... not until I see improvements in that area of the field.

I'm going Texans because I think these are very similar teams, and Houston has homefield advantage in this one.

Houston wins 13-10 or 13-6 or something like that, scoring a TD after a Watt strip-sack.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Worth noting that Jeremy Maclin tore the Texans defense up a year ago. If they try to compensate too much for him, Kelce or Wilson could have nice days, even Charles if Watt gets blocked at all.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Is Kelce playing?

yes. Practiced Sunday.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I predict O City sends a load to the moon in celebrating this victory

[the Talking Can]

assuming smith doesn't throw 3 ints again, we should win

[TEX]

Two elite defenses squaring off in this one. Game could very well come down to which team gets a defensive score or more points set up by turnovers.

The Texans were elite on D last year, and they forced 34 turnovers without a tremendous pass rusher.

So JJ Watt is not a tremendous pass rusher??? :shrug:

[TEX]

I am counting a defensive TD. I think we get 4 turnovers that put us in great field position all day.

Hope you're right...I can tell you that the Texans are fired up for this game. (The whole town is jacked) They respect the hell out of the Chiefs and know what's coming. IF KC can get up on them early, I think they will cave, BUT if KC starts out slowly, the Texans will gain confidence and then its anyone's game. The Texans are good enough to beat you if u give them the chance.

This game scares the hell out of me. Maybe because I can "feel" how fired up the Texans and this town are for the season opener. This is a MUST win game for KC. I think the pressure is on them, even though they will be the slight underdog.

[duncan_idaho]

So JJ Watt is not a tremendous pass rusher??? :shrug:

He's a tremendous "everything."

I was really thinking "outside of Watt" when I wrote that. The point I was trying to make is that Houston's defense was great last year, and that if Clowney starts to contribute, it becomes even more dangerous.

[ViperVisor]

Texans played some top offenses. They tended to scored 30.

Texans played a gaggle of gagging offenses.

Washington Redskins Cleveland Browns Jacksonville Jaguars x2 Oakland Raiders Tennessee Titans x2

With that chunk of trash you better be a top 10 defense on paper.

[Mile High Mania]

Interesting stat...

Over the last 5 years, Houston is 5-0 in season home openers. KC is 2-3 in first road games.

[TEX]

He's a tremendous "everything."

I was really thinking "outside of Watt" when I wrote that. The point I was trying to make is that Houston's defense was great last year, and that if Clowney starts to contribute, it becomes even more dangerous.

Got ya. Spot on. Plus it appears Cushing is finally healthy and is his old self and can now also be a factor. The rebuilt KC OL will get tested week 1 for sure. I seriously doubt this game will be the cake walk some here are predicting.

[duncan_idaho]

Got ya. Spot on. Plus it appears Cushing is finally healthy and is his old self and can now also be a factor. The rebuilt KC OL will get tested week 1 for sure. I seriously doubt this game will be the cake walk some here are predicting.

{Chiefs Homers} BRIAN CUSHING THREW UP THAT ONE TIME ON HARD KNOCKS. HE IS FINISHED!{/Chiefs Homers}

Houston has many of the same strengths and weaknesses as the Chiefs (elite d, meh O, game managing QB, great lead RB, one really good WR surrounded by unproven question marks). It actually is going to be a really interesting game, IMO.

Obviously, Foster being out and Charles being available is an advantage to the Chiefs... but Houston's OL also has fewer questions to answer than KC's.

[O.city]

I think the Texans D is being pretty overrated here. They've got some good players on it, a transcendent player, then it seems some bit of meh.

[O.city]

I think their offense is being underrated too, but with Foster out that does change things a bit.

[xztop123]

dunno anything about the texans but surprised @ overwheming favor for chiefs

[DaneMcCloud]

I think the Texans D is being pretty overrated here. They've got some good players on it, a transcendent player, then it seems some bit of meh.

Exactly.

The Texans' offensive line is nothing special and Duane Brown is returning from injury. He's 30 years old now and will have difficulty with our pass rush. Jeff Adams, Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks are journeyman that aren't exactly world beaters.

The only guy that's even somewhat scary on their offense is Hopkins but while I'm sure he'll get his catches, the Chiefs secondary aren't going to be repeatedly burnt by him, if at all.

Watt, Cushing and Joseph are their best defensive players. Wilfork, IMO, is a question mark at his age (The Patriots don't let players go that can still play) and Clowney will play limited snaps.

It's a road game, which is always tough, but the Texans have the look of an average team this year because their QB is garbage and their run game will suffer until Arian Foster returns and even then, it's no guarantee that he'll have a great or even good season.

I expect to see a lot of two tight end sets, with Harris blocking next to Fisher.

[O.city]

Exactly.

The Texans' offensive line is nothing special and Duane Brown is returning from injury. He's 30 years old now and will have difficulty with our pass rush. Jeff Adams, Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks are journeyman that aren't exactly world beaters.

The only guy that's even somewhat scary on their offense is Hopkins but while I'm sure he'll get his catches, the Chiefs secondary aren't going to be repeatedly burnt by him, if at all.

Watt, Cushing and Joseph are their best defensive players. Wilfork, IMO, is a question mark at his age (The Patriots don't let players go that can still play) and Clowney will play limited snaps.

It's a road game, which is always tough, but the Texans have the look of an average team this year because their QB is garbage and their run game will suffer until Arian Foster returns and even then, it's no guarantee that he'll have a great or even good season.

I expect to see a lot of two tight end sets, with Harris blocking next to Fisher.

I really like the CB they drafted in round 1, but the starting safeties aren't great there either.

Watt is really really good, so he makes them alot better.

[DaneMcCloud]

I really like the CB they drafted in round 1, but the starting safeties aren't great there either.

Watt is really really good, so he makes them alot better.

Yeah but Fisher and Harris should be able to neutralize Watt for the most part with LDT & Morse on Wilfork. Clowney will be limited so Stephenson and Grubbs will be fine.

Watt will make a few plays but it's not like they have a front 7 even close to that of the Chiefs.

[ModSocks]

Hopkins vs Peters worries me.

Watt vs Fisher worries me.

[duncan_idaho]

I think the Texans D is being pretty overrated here. They've got some good players on it, a transcendent player, then it seems some bit of meh.

They were a top 10, elite defense last year, with limited contributions from Clowney and Cushing. If JJ Watt remains the best all-around defensive player in the league, with Joseph again being a stud at CB, they don't need stars everywhere else to have a top 10 unit.

People are underrating, IMO, when they are consistently predicting scores in the high 20s, and we've seen several in the 30s and some even in the 40s.

Exactly.

The Texans' offensive line is nothing special and Duane Brown is returning from injury. He's 30 years old now and will have difficulty with our pass rush. Jeff Adams, Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks are journeyman that aren't exactly world beaters.

The only guy that's even somewhat scary on their offense is Hopkins but while I'm sure he'll get his catches, the Chiefs secondary aren't going to be repeatedly burnt by him, if at all.

Watt, Cushing and Joseph are their best defensive players. Wilfork, IMO, is a question mark at his age (The Patriots don't let players go that can still play) and Clowney will play limited snaps.

It's a road game, which is always tough, but the Texans have the look of an average team this year because their QB is garbage and their run game will suffer until Arian Foster returns and even then, it's no guarantee that he'll have a great or even good season.

I expect to see a lot of two tight end sets, with Harris blocking next to Fisher.

And how would an opposing team look at the Chiefs?

Offensively, the only thing that scares you is Jamaal Charles, and he's running behind a very questionable OL that was bad last year and returns most of the same cast, swapping out one of its best players at C for a similar player at LG.

Defensively, they look great, but were extremely susceptible to the run, even against teams that weren't all that good running the football, each of the past two years (more so last year). The labeling O City placed on the Texans defense could pretty easily be placed on the Chiefs, too.

Houston is transcendant. Hali is still good but descending. They're solid at CB but there's no one there other teams avoid at all costs. The DEs are meh. The DTs, without Poe, are meh. One of the ILB spots is meh, and the other is dependent on Derrick Johnson. Same could be said of the S spots with Berry.

Derrick Johnson is in his 30s and is returning from a lower leg injury that can be devastating. Dontari Poe is their best DL, and MIGHT play on Sunday after missing the past several weeks.

Eric Berry is back but is returning from intensive cancer treatments. Physically, is he the same?

[DaneMcCloud]

They were a top 10, elite defense last year, with limited contributions from Clowney and Cushing. If JJ Watt remains the best all-around defensive player in the league, with Joseph again being a stud at CB, they don't need stars everywhere else to have a top 10 unit.

That's a lot of "If's". And their QB is awful.

And how would an opposing team look at the Chiefs?

Offensively, the only thing that scares you is Jamaal Charles, and he's running behind a very questionable OL that was bad last year and returns most of the same cast, swapping out one of its best players at C for a similar player at LG.

What? Jeremy Maclin was one of the best WR's in the NFL last year. Travis Kelce is a Top Five, if not Top Three, receiving tight end. And even with an awful offensive line last season, Jamaal Charles had more than 1,000 yards rushing.

The offensive line will be much improved over last season. The Chiefs have a lot of weapons offensively and a coach whose schemes make up for any perceived deficiencies.

Defensively, they look great, but were extremely susceptible to the run, even against teams that weren't all that good running the football, each of the past two years (more so last year).

The Chiefs were susceptible to the run because they lost their two best run stuffing players in the first half of game one. They didn't have any depth behind their starting ILBers, while Howard was still developing on the defensive line. Eric Berry's struggles didn't help the team, either.

Those issues should not exist this season with the return of DJ and DeVito along with depth and improvements along the defensive line.


The labeling O City placed on the Texans defense could pretty easily be placed on the Chiefs, too.

I disagree.


Houston is transcendant. Hali is still good but descending. They're solid at CB but there's no one there other teams avoid at all costs. The DEs are meh. The DTs, without Poe, are meh. One of the ILB spots is meh, and the other is dependent on Derrick Johnson. Same could be said of the S spots with Berry.

I could not disagree more. Bailey, Howard and DeVito are far from "meh". Their secondary was superb last season and there's no reason to assume that they'll take a step back, especially based on their preseason performance

Brian Hoyer is not Carson Palmer.

Derrick Johnson is in his 30s and is returning from a lower leg injury that can be devastating. Dontari Poe is their best DL, and MIGHT play on Sunday after missing the past several weeks.

Eric Berry is back but is returning from intensive cancer treatments. Physically, is he the same?

DJ show no signs of regression during the preseason. Poe is slated to play this week. Berry is a second stringer.

None of your points are logical.

[duncan_idaho]

Yeah but Fisher and Harris should be able to neutralize Watt for the most part with LDT & Morse on Wilfork. Clowney will be limited so Stephenson and Grubbs will be fine.

Watt will make a few plays but it's not like they have a front 7 even close to that of the Chiefs.

That whole first graf:

:eek:

JJ Watt is the best defensive player in the NFL, but he's going to be "mostly" neutralized by a guy who - at his best - has been an average tackle (and who has struggled mightily with defenders who can overwhelm him with power moves, especially if combined with the ability to throw some speed/quickness moves in there) and a completely anonymous, JAG TE?

If the Chiefs were sending Jason Dunn and John Tait out vs. Watt, I'd be right there with you.

One of the finest nose tackles in the past decade is going to be handled by two guys who have a combined zero starts between them?

I'm also not ready to write off Clowney just because his snaps will be limited. He's a freak of nature who was never healthy last season. If he's healthy, he can make an impact (and I'm sure Houston will drop him in heavily on passing downs).

[DaneMcCloud]

That whole first graf:

:eek:

JJ Watt is the best defensive player in the NFL, but he's going to be "mostly" neutralized by a guy who - at his best - has been an average tackle (and who has struggled mightily with defenders who can overwhelm him with power moves, especially if combined with the ability to throw some speed/quickness moves in there) and a completely anonymous, JAG TE?

If the Chiefs were sending Jason Dunn and John Tait out vs. Watt, I'd be right there with you.

One of the finest nose tackles in the past decade is going to be handled by two guys who have a combined zero starts between them?

I'm also not ready to write off Clowney just because his snaps will be limited. He's a freak of nature who was never healthy last season. If he's healthy, he can make an impact (and I'm sure Houston will drop him in heavily on passing downs).

I'm sorry, I don't see Watt as superhuman. He'll make his plays but it's not as if he's going to terrorize the Chiefs on each and every snap.

[duncan_idaho]

That's a lot of "If's". And their QB is awful. The only "If" there is JJ Watt remaining an elite player, and there's no reason to believe he's anywhere close to a decline (coming off his best season as a pro). Their front 7 is Watt, Wilfork, Jared Crick (who's just as good as any of the Chiefs DEs), Whitney Mercilus, Brian Cushing, Jadaveon Clowney and Akeem Dent. That's a pretty talented unit that stacks up pretty comparably with the Chiefs front 7, to anyone who isn't a Chiefs homer. (Both are elite front 7s).


What? Jeremy Maclin was one of the best WR's in the NFL last year. Travis Kelce is a Top Five, if not Top Three, receiving tight end. And even with an awful offensive line last season, Jamaal Charles had more than 1,000 yards rushing.

The offensive line will be much improved over last season. The Chiefs have a lot of weapons offensively and a coach whose schemes make up for any perceived deficiencies.


Teams are not scared of the Chiefs passing game, outside of screen passes to Jamaal Charles. Why would they be? Adding Jeremy Maclin doesn't just bandaid the whole thing. Alex Smith is still a risk-averse QB. The receivers are all still incredibly questionable besides Maclin.

Kelce is good, but he has yet proven to be a game-changing TE capable of impacting a game like Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates, for example, in their prime.

YOU think the OL is going to be improved. Many Chiefs fans do. Other teams likely look at the Chiefs OL and see one proven player (Grubbs), two completely unproven guys (Morse and LDT), an average-at-best guy (Fisher), and a JAG (Donald Stephenson).

The Chiefs were susceptible to the run because they lost their two best run stuffing players in the first half of game one. They didn't have any depth behind their starting ILBers, while Howard was still developing on the defensive line. Eric Berry's struggles didn't help the team, either.

Those issues should not exist this season with the return of DJ and DeVito along with depth and improvements along the defensive line.


The Chiefs were a bottom 10 run defense in 2013 WITH those players. There are reasons to be optimistic, sure, but it has to show out on the field.


I disagree.


Obviously.


I could not disagree more. Bailey, Howard and DeVito are far from "meh". Their secondary was superb last season and there's no reason to assume that they'll take a step back, especially based on their preseason performance

Those guys are "meh" to fans of teams that aren't the Chiefs. Just like Jared Crick is apparently "meh" to you. But that shouldn't surprise me .... you seem to think handling the best defensive player in the NFL is not a big deal at all.

Brian Hoyer is not Carson Palmer.



DJ show no signs of regression during the preseason. Poe is slated to play this week. Berry is a second stringer.

None of your points are logical.

And none of yours are written without red-and-mustard glasses.

[duncan_idaho]

I'm sorry, I don't see Watt as superhuman. He'll make his plays but it's not as if he's going to terrorize the Chiefs on each and every snap.

How would you respond to a Texans fan saying the same thing about Justin Houston?

And intimating that Derek Newton and Ryan Griffin should be able to neutralize him?

[O.city]

Based on our preseason showing, I don't think the run defense is going to be as lacking as it has.

The offense should be more explosive, but if the offensive line isn't improved, it won't matter

[duncan_idaho]

Based on our preseason showing, I don't think the run defense is going to be as lacking as it has.

The offense should be more explosive, but if the offensive line isn't improved, it won't matter

I hope it (run D) is not as lacking. But that doesn't mean it doesn't still show up as a weakness on the radar of other teams.

My point, overall, is that CP has gone overboard white-washing the Chiefs' weaknesses while magnifying the weaknesses of other teams.

The offense SHOULD be more explosive. But the trigger man and the OL are still huge question marks, and should be.

[Pablo]

I would be pretty shocked and happy with a blow-out, 14+ point win. Opening on the road against a solid D isn't going to be a cake-walk by any means. I'll believe our offense is going to be leaps and bounds better than last year when I see it.

[O.city]

I hope it (run D) is not as lacking. But that doesn't mean it doesn't still show up as a weakness on the radar of other teams.

My point, overall, is that CP has gone overboard white-washing the Chiefs' weaknesses while magnifying the weaknesses of other teams.

The offense SHOULD be more explosive. But the trigger man and the OL are still huge question marks, and should be.

It doesn't have to be a top 5 run D to be really good and really dangerous.

And the second paragraph is always confusing to me. It's a chiefs message board and said chiefs are coming off 2 winning years in a roe, seemingly building momentum with a front office and coaching staff that, unlike previous ones here, seem to really be setting things together well.

Yet some here shake their fingers in everyones face for being that way. All the while going out of their way to be overly pessimistic and outspoken.

Like, is it personally insulting that people are excited about this franchise?
Not to single you out here, just been wondering lately.

[MotherfuckerJones]

This team just needs to come out with a championship focus and knock em out early. They're not scoring more than 20 points. I'd be stunned. They have no offense outside of Hopkins.

[duncan_idaho]

It doesn't have to be a top 5 run D to be really good and really dangerous.

And the second paragraph is always confusing to me. It's a chiefs message board and said chiefs are coming off 2 winning years in a roe, seemingly building momentum with a front office and coaching staff that, unlike previous ones here, seem to really be setting things together well.

Yet some here shake their fingers in everyones face for being that way. All the while going out of their way to be overly pessimistic and outspoken.

Like, is it personally insulting that people are excited about this franchise?
Not to single you out here, just been wondering lately.

It's not insulting.

For me, it is frustrating, because it seems like we can't have an actual discussion right now about teams on the schedule - and the challenges they can present - without someone trying to pooh-pooh them away by pointing out that team's flaws and acting like the Chiefs have none.

If all I wanted for Chiefs talk was super-happy-fun-time-all-the-time, I'd talk to my dad (who is convinced Kim Anderson just needs time, to give you an idea of how much of a blind homer he is) and my sister (not only is she a girl, her takes are terrible). I expect more from CP than that.

But maybe spending the a drive to and from Columbia (and an entire football game with them) has made me overly sensitive to that today.

[O.city]

It's not insulting.

For me, it is frustrating, because it seems like we can't have an actual discussion right now about teams on the schedule - and the challenges they can present - without someone trying to pooh-pooh them away by pointing out that team's flaws and acting like the Chiefs have none.

If all I wanted for Chiefs talk was super-happy-fun-time-all-the-time, I'd talk to my dad (who is convinced Kim Anderson just needs time, to give you an idea of how much of a blind homer he is) and my sister (not only is she a girl, her takes are terrible). I expect more from CP than that.

But maybe spending the a drive to and from Columbia (and an entire football game with them) has made me overly sensitive to that today.

It always goes both ways though. People seem to take negative stances as a personal conflict. Always seemed weird to me.

[O.city]

I also think Wilson is going to be a better WR than some here give him credit.

[duncan_idaho]

I also think Wilson is going to be a better WR than some here give him credit.

I think he's going to be a solid No. 2 receiver. Nothing spectacular, but effective, especially since he'll be facing single coverage almost exclusively.

[Chiefnj2]

Hopkins vs Peters worries me.

Watt vs Fisher worries me.

I think it is going to be a matter of one or two plays for the Texans. In preseason Peters was beaten a few times on long balls but the throws were off. If the Texans can capitalize on one or two plays like that and take a lead against KC, it could turn the game for them. Luckily for the Chiefs, they have the more talented team. As long as Andy doesn't pull a Titans 2014 game plan, they should be able to play conservatively, dink and dunk and win a low scoring match.

[DaneMcCloud]

The only "If" there is JJ Watt remaining an elite player, and there's no reason to believe he's anywhere close to a decline (coming off his best season as a pro). Their front 7 is Watt, Wilfork, Jared Crick (who's just as good as any of the Chiefs DEs), Whitney Mercilus, Brian Cushing, Jadaveon Clowney and Akeem Dent. That's a pretty talented unit that stacks up pretty comparably with the Chiefs front 7, to anyone who isn't a Chiefs homer. (Both are elite front 7s).

:facepalm:

Whitney Mercilus and Akeem Dent stand up to Houston and Hali? Clowney, whose done nothing in an NFL uniform is equal to DeVito or Bailey?

You're smoking crack, Dude. JFC.


Teams are not scared of the Chiefs passing game, outside of screen passes to Jamaal Charles. Why would they be? Adding Jeremy Maclin doesn't just bandaid the whole thing. Alex Smith is still a risk-averse QB. The receivers are all still incredibly questionable besides Maclin.

Kelce is good, but he has yet proven to be a game-changing TE capable of impacting a game like Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates, for example, in their prime.

JFC, really?

Kelce's season last year destroyed Gonazales rookie and had more than his second year. Maclin's presence, along with Wilson and DAT's speed, will open up the short and intermediate passing routes as well as running lanes for Charles.


YOU think the OL is going to be improved. Many Chiefs fans do. Other teams likely look at the Chiefs OL and see one proven player (Grubbs), two completely unproven guys (Morse and LDT), an average-at-best guy (Fisher), and a JAG (Donald Stephenson).

More nonsense.

The Chiefs line has definitely improved from LT to RT over last year's abomination. Stephenson played very well in 2013 and again in the preseason at left tackle. Grubbs is a tremendous upgrade to McGlynn. Morse will grow as the season continues, LDT is clearly more athletic than Fulton and Fisher is an upgrade over Ryan Harris or Jeff Allen and certainly Stephenson.

I don't care if Morse and LDT are "unproven" entering the season because they've shown enough talent to start the season and by the time it's over, both will have had successful seasons, especially Morse.

The Chiefs were a bottom 10 run defense in 2013 WITH those players. There are reasons to be optimistic, sure, but it has to show out on the field.

Losing Justin Houston and to a lessor extent, Hali, in 2013 affected the Chiefs defense.

But let's not pretend the Chiefs are going up against Adrian Peterson on Sunday. They're not even facing Arian Foster.

Those guys are "meh" to fans of teams that aren't the Chiefs. Just like Jared Crick is apparently "meh" to you. But that shouldn't surprise me .... you seem to think handling the best defensive player in the NFL is not a big deal at all.

Jared Crick. ROFL

The guy has 3.5 sacks playing in the worst division in the NFL with the Titans and Jaguars. Come on.

I never said it wasn't a "big deal" to face Watts but I don't think he'll be making every tackle of Charles, nor will he be in Smith's face all day. Andy Reid is pretty smart about scheming plays away from good players.

And none of yours are written without red-and-mustard glasses.

Absolutely not. But your "arguments" are weak at best.

Good grief.

[TEX]

I think it is going to be a matter of one or two plays for the Texans. In preseason Peters was beaten a few times on long balls but the throws were off. If the Texans can capitalize on one or two plays like that and take a lead against KC, it could turn the game for them. Luckily for the Chiefs, they have the more talented team. As long as Andy doesn't pull a Titans 2014 game plan, they should be able to play conservatively, dink and dunk and win a low scoring match.

That's exactly the case. I'm thinking the Chiefs find a way to win a close one, something like 20-16.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Duncan's football takes are pretty bad in this thread. Did he really just try to prop up a bunch of average to below average Texans while scolding Chief fans for doing the same?

[duncan_idaho]

:facepalm:

Whitney Mercilus and Akeem Dent stand up to Houston and Hali? Clowney, whose done nothing in an NFL uniform is equal to DeVito or Bailey?

You're smoking crack, Dude. JFC.


I'm talking about the front 7 as a whole, man.

Watt and Hosuton are the lynchpins of their respective defenses. Let's start by comparing them. Most non-Chiefs fans would say Watt is the better player, without really blinking or thinking hard about it (and that's fair). They are certainly comparable and both among the most elite individual defenders in the NFL.

Beyond that, let's look at the other six players and compare them:

Howard, DeVito, Bailey, Hali, Johnson, Mauga
vs.

Crick, Wilfork, Clowney, Mercilous, Dent, Cushing

Yeah, I think those units stack up pretty well against each other. I would give a small edge to the Texans unit.

Akeem Dent stands up just fine next to Josh Mauga. Neither is more than JAG.

Wilfork stands up against Poe, even when Poe is 100 percent healthy, and would reasonably be expected to be better than Howard.

Cushing and Derrick Johnson are very similar, though Cushing is younger.

Crick, Bailey, and DeVito are all role players. Crick and Bailey are similar players. YOU'RE smoking crack if you think there's a GM in the NFL who would prefer Bailey or DeVito to Jadaveon Clowney.

Mercilous is not as good as Hali or Houston, obviously, at the other OLB spot, but he's a better player at his position than the Chiefs' counterpart for Watt.


JFC, really?

Kelce's season last year destroyed Gonazales rookie and had more than his second year. Maclin's presence, along with Wilson and DAT's speed, will open up the short and intermediate passing routes as well as running lanes for Charles.


I didn't say he wasn't good. I said he wasn't someone that "scares" other teams.


More nonsense.

The Chiefs line has definitely improved from LT to RT over last year's abomination. Stephenson played very well in 2013 and again in the preseason at left tackle. Grubbs is a tremendous upgrade to McGlynn. Morse will grow as the season continues, LDT is clearly more athletic than Fulton and Fisher is an upgrade over Ryan Harris or Jeff Allen and certainly Stephenson.

I don't care if Morse and LDT are "unproven" entering the season because they've shown enough talent to start the season and by the time it's over, both will have had successful seasons, especially Morse.


Everything you're saying here is speculation. Chiefs fans might buy it. Other teams/other fans? Not so much.

What is known is that the Chiefs have likely upgraded at LG. Most would expect they have downgraded at C. RG, RT, and LT all remain huge question marks. Everything that has happened so far at those spots looks like shuffling deck chairs.


Losing Justin Houston and to a lessor extent, Hali, in 2013 affected the Chiefs defense.

But let's not pretend the Chiefs are going up against Adrian Peterson on Sunday. They're not even facing Arian Foster.


The Chiefs have been a bottom 10 run defense in the NFL the past two seasons, no matter what reasons you want to apply to that.

Teams don't HAVE to be a great running team to run effectively against bottom 10 run defenses. That's why they're bottom 10 run defenses (if it took a great running game to be effective against them, they would a middle-of-the-pack to good run defense, not bottom 10).

I hope they've improved. But you can't just say it's going to happen, undoubtedly.


Jared Crick. ROFL

The guy has 3.5 sacks playing in the worst division in the NFL with the Titans and Jaguars. Come on.

I never said it wasn't a "big deal" to face Watts but I don't think he'll be making every tackle of Charles, nor will he be in Smith's face all day. Andy Reid is pretty smart about scheming plays away from good players.


Crick = Allen Bailey.

Regarding Watt... think about Justin Houston. Do you expect other teams to have to go to great lengths to control him? Do you expect that to create opportunities for everyone around him? It's the same thing.

I think if an opposing fan told you they expected players the equivalent of Eric Fisher and Ryan Harris to neutralize Justin Houston, you'd laugh your ass off.

Bottom line is that both of these teams have tremendous front 7s, each anchored by a game-changing defender who is not easily neutralized.

[Chiefnj2]

Kelce's biggest limiting factor is Andy Reid.

[saphojunkie]

The Texans last year beat:

Washington
Oakland
Tennessee
Jacksonville
Buffalo
Baltimore

They don't exactly have a lot of reason to puff out their chest for having lost to nearly every good team they faced last year:

Giants
Cowboys
Colts
Steelers
Eagles
Bengals

In fact, it's a dead heat between Buffalo and Houston for the worst team with a winning record last year.

In fact, the vaunted Houston defense was actually 16th overall in total defense. 21st against the pass.

Granted, their offense was much better than KC's, but without Foster, Johnson, and sporting a new QB, I'm not sure why anyone is sweating this game so hard.

[saphojunkie]

Kelce's biggest limiting factor is Andy Reid.

wut

[Sandy Vagina]

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[DaneMcCloud]

I'm talking about the front 7 as a whole, man.

I'm going to make this simple: I disagree with your analysis of the Texans on the whole.

They're not a good football team, they have no depth and while they have a few nice players, they should not scare any NFL team, especially the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs lose on Sunday, it'll be a classic case of the Chiefs playing to the level of their opponent and not because the Texans beat them.

[duncan_idaho]

The Texans last year beat:

Washington
Oakland
Tennessee
Jacksonville
Buffalo
Baltimore

They don't exactly have a lot of reason to puff out their chest for having lost to nearly every good team they faced last year:

Giants
Cowboys
Colts
Steelers
Eagles
Bengals

In fact, it's a dead heat between Buffalo and Houston for the worst team with a winning record last year.

In fact, the vaunted Houston defense was actually 16th overall in total defense. 21st against the pass.

Granted, their offense was much better than KC's, but without Foster, Johnson, and sporting a new QB, I'm not sure why anyone is sweating this game so hard.

Texans Notables, Defense:

They might have ranked 17th in Total Defense, but they were tied for 5th in the NFL in Yards Per Play with (guess who? The Kansas City Chiefs). Their total defense rank was a result of the number of plays they faced.

They led the NFL in takeaways, with 34

They had the 7th best scoring D in the league, at 19.2

They were 10th against the run, allowing just 4.0 YPC

And while they were 21st in pure passing yards, the Texans were 7th in YPA, at 6.7

It was a top 10 defense, and it wouldn't be a surprise at all if it was better this season.

[duncan_idaho]

I'm going to make this simple: I disagree with your analysis of the Texans on the whole.

They're not a good football team, they have no depth and while they have a few nice players, they should not scare any NFL team, especially the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs lose on Sunday, it'll be a classic case of the Chiefs playing to the level of their opponent and not because the Texans beat them.

I'm going to make this simple: I disagree with your analysis of the Texans on the whole.

While not a perfect team and possessing some flaws, their defense is a good, top 10 NFL unit, with an established superstar and several other good players, especially on the front 7.

They're not a great NFL football team, but they're a good NFL team that will be a good challenge on the road. You might take it as an extreme negative if the Chiefs lose to them, but I'll take it as a very positive sign if the Chiefs BEAT them.

I think, in general, where you and I really don't see eye-to-eye is that several times this offseason, you have looked at other playoff-contending teams around the league and called them "not good football teams" because of their flaws, while ignoring that the same can be said of Chiefs by those who aren't Chiefs fans.

[O.city]

Takeaways are normally luck driven, so I don't think they'll be that again.

Hopefully the chiefs have more luck this year

[Halfcan]

Wow - some pretty depressing takes on this team. Why even follow the Chiefs at all or watch the game? People acting like we are trotting out the same old Matt Castle team and the front office has done nothing to upgrade this team.

I did not realize Brian ****ing Hoyer was so damned scary!!

Chiefs suck - 0-16 this year- boo hoo!!

[duncan_idaho]

Takeaways are normally luck driven, so I don't think they'll be that again.

Hopefully the chiefs have more luck this year

It would be hard for them NOT to have more luck and get more takeways. Kind of similar to the Texans from 13 (11) to 14 (34).

Houston has averaged a shade over 25 takeaways/year since adding Watt, its best player. It's a good D that generally is pretty good at forcing turnovers.

[The Franchise]

Chiefs - 24
Texans - 14

[Pablo]

Wow - some pretty depressing takes on this team. Why even follow the Chiefs at all or watch the game? People acting like we are trotting out the same old Matt Castle team and the front office has done nothing to upgrade this team.

I did not realize Brian ****ing Hoyer was so damned scary!!

Chiefs suck - 0-16 this year- boo hoo!!87% believe we will win this game. Just maybe not in statement fashion.

[temper11]

The offense should be more explosive, but if the offensive line isn't improved, it won't matter

This. /thread

[Ming the Merciless]

It's funny...with the new offensive line improvements you would think there would be a shift in money / odds...


I think we're still dogged by 1.5 tho

Weird considering the recent upgrades

[Hydrae]

Chiefs 23-16 (Santos misses an XP)

[Pablo]

It's funny...with the new offensive line improvements you would think there would be a shift in money / odds...


I think we're still dogged by 1.5 tho

Weird considering the recent upgradesHuh. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that we're underdogs since it's a road opener, but I kind of am.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They are a solid squad, but not near the pieces on offense. It's a different team without Foster, that's for sure.

[threebag]

The trolls/fans critical of this team need to find a new team, a new sport, or have a bukake.

[Mav]

Huh. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that we're underdogs since it's a road opener, but I kind of am.


Well the home team typically gets 3. So it's essentially a pick em.

[Mav]

The trolls/fans critical of this team need to find a new team, a new sport, or have a bukake.


Why would they do that? They get their jollies on making everyone miserable.

[Chromatic]

17-14 Chiefs

[KC2004]

Just head over to this thread on the Texans board: http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=45321&page=8 Some people are even predicting how many turnovers the Chiefs will have. One poster said O'Brien is gonna beat the Chiefs like a bass drum. :shake:

[Pepe Silvia]

Chiefs 24
Texans 17

[Deberg_1990]

Will 'Career Day D' return for Hoyer?



Because Chiefs

[DaneMcCloud]

Will 'Career Day D' return for Hoyer?



Because Chiefs

Extremely unlikely

[DaneMcCloud]

Just head over to this thread on the Texans board: http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=45321&page=8 Some people are even predicting how many turnovers the Chiefs will have. One poster said O'Brien is gonna beat the Chiefs like a bass drum. :shake:

Good grief, that's like Arrowhead Pride on steroids

[MotherfuckerJones]

Meh, it's a Texans board. They're confident.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

People from Texas are...."special".

[Marcellus]

Texans Notables, Defense:

They might have ranked 17th in Total Defense, but they were tied for 5th in the NFL in Yards Per Play with (guess who? The Kansas City Chiefs). Their total defense rank was a result of the number of plays they faced.

They led the NFL in takeaways, with 34

They had the 7th best scoring D in the league, at 19.2

They were 10th against the run, allowing just 4.0 YPC

And while they were 21st in pure passing yards, the Texans were 7th in YPA, at 6.7

It was a top 10 defense, and it wouldn't be a surprise at all if it was better this season.

If the Texans offense was better than KC's last year, how does that equate to their defense being on the field for more plays unless they cant get off the field on defense?


21st against the pass and 10th against the run? The math doesn't add up for them to be a top 10 defense unless you are just using the term subjectively.

[Marcellus]

Will 'Career Day D' return for Hoyer?



Because Chiefs

Considering its been gone for 2 years, I doubt it.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Texans | Jadeveon Clowney playing time unknown

Mon, 07 Sep 2015 14:50:10 -0700

Houston Texans DE Jadeveon Clowney (knee) may or may not see limited snaps in Week 1 against the Kansas City Chiefs, according to head coach Bill O'Brien. "I don't know if I have a pitch count yet ready for him for the first game, but I think he's come a long way," O'Brien said. O'Brien said Clowney has made contact and made some of the moves in practice that he'll have to make in real games.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/18/nfl/houston-texans#ixzz3lC8chkYa

[Matt101KC]

KC 31
tex 13

[dannybcaitlyn]

21-14 CHIEFS. They both match up against each other pretty evenly. Two stout defenses, two questionable offenses. We get the Nod with better special teams. DAT taking one to the house.

[tonyetony]

I'm going defensive homer.
Chiefs-17
Texans-0
Bonus predicton-Special Teams or Defense put up a TD.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

What is their record and offensive numbers without Foster? I have heard they are pretty bad with out him.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

33-20 4.6 YPC with

2-13. 3.1 YPC without Arian

OUCH!

[duncan_idaho]

If the Texans offense was better than KC's last year, how does that equate to their defense being on the field for more plays unless they cant get off the field on defense?


21st against the pass and 10th against the run? The math doesn't add up for them to be a top 10 defense unless you are just using the term subjectively.

To answer your first question: It looks like the answer is simply "more possessions." More plays doesn't automatically mean a team can't get off the field... They didn't have trouble getting off the field, as you propose for the reason they faced so many plays... They actually had the third-best third down percentage rate, allowing just 34 percent of third downs to be converted (the Chiefs were 6th, at 37 percent).

I call them top 10 because they were top 10 in scoring defense (7th) and yards per play (tied for 5th with the Chiefs), which are two of the most important measures of a defense, IMO. Leading the NFL in takeaways factors into that, too. They also were top 5 in 3rd down defense.

Those factors (per play average, 3rd down defense, takeawys) matter more than just total defense. Total defense is an important stat, but sometimes it doesn't tell the whole story when you look at some of the contextual factors.

[TEX]

21-14 CHIEFS. They both match up against each other pretty evenly. Two stout defenses, two questionable offenses. We get the Nod with better special teams. DAT taking one to the house.

I'll believe DAT when I see it. Dude is hurt too much to count on. But I do hope you're right.

[DaneMcCloud]

To answer your first question: It looks like the answer is simply "more possessions." More plays doesn't automatically mean a team can't get off the field... They didn't have trouble getting off the field, as you propose for the reason they faced so many plays... They actually had the third-best third down percentage rate, allowing just 34 percent of third downs to be converted (the Chiefs were 6th, at 37 percent).

I call them top 10 because they were top 10 in scoring defense (7th) and yards per play (tied for 5th with the Chiefs), which are two of the most important measures of a defense, IMO. Leading the NFL in takeaways factors into that, too. They also were top 5 in 3rd down defense.

Those factors (per play average, 3rd down defense, takeawys) matter more than just total defense. Total defense is an important stat, but sometimes it doesn't tell the whole story when you look at some of the contextual factors.

That's pretty easy to do when you face the Jaguars and Titans twice, the Redskins, Raiders and Browns, all of whom they beat last year.

If they had faced San Diego & Denver twice, along with New England, Seattle, Dolphins, Cards and Steelers, the outcome would have been much, much different.

[ClevelandBronco]

Probably a single digit win for the Chiefs.

By the way, did you guys know your last playoff victory is old enough to drink? My, how time flies.

[Lzen]

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[MotherfuckerJones]

Probably a single digit win for the Chiefs.

By the way, did you guys know your last playoff victory is old enough to drink? My, how time flies.

43-8!! My, how time flies.

[BWillie]

Jadeveon Clowney is a joke. He was drafted purely on potential and because of a viral video. Look at results

His last year in college he had 3 sacks. Count em. THREE. 1 forced fumble, 29 solo tackles. Last year in the pros? Only 4 games, but still NO sacks, NO forced fumbles. There hasn't been production, yet.

[duncan_idaho]

Jadeveon Clowney is a joke. He was drafted purely on potential and because of a viral video. Look at results

His last year in college he had 3 sacks. Count em. THREE. 1 forced fumble, 29 solo tackles. Last year in the pros? Only 4 games, but still NO sacks, NO forced fumbles. There hasn't been production, yet.

And the year before that, he had 13. He was a top 10 Heisman finisher BEFORE the viral video you reference.

2013, he did not produce as expected, but there were a lot of factors there.

He had some injuries (knee and sports hernia - the same knee that he had repaired last year). He was affected a few game by severe virus/flu symptoms. Teams game-planned specifically to stay away from him and not let him affect the game. Spurrier called him out in the media because he said he couldn't play one game (in which he was dehydrated and weak from dealing with the flu).

And yeah, he probably was a little checked out, knowing that he was a sure fire top pick no matter what happened in the 2013 season.

He's still a prodigiously talented guy who has the benefit, for the first time in his playing career, of playing on a team with enough other defensive talent that he won't be the focal point of opposing offense's game plans.

If Clowney is healthy, he'll be a handful this year.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Love the excuses for opposing players ROFL Jesus fuck some of you are probably scared of your own shadow.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Bears repeating....They are 2-13 without Arian Foster and haven't been remotely competitive on offense without him.

[Hammock Parties]

Bears repeating....They are 2-13 without Arian Foster and haven't been remotely competitive on offense without him.

Brian Hoyer is a better QB than any shit they ran out during that stretch.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Brian Hoyer is a better QB than any shit they ran out during that stretch.

JFC ROFL ROFL ROFL

[Hammock Parties]

JFC ROFL ROFL ROFL

You don't think Hoyer is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick and the shitty version of Matt Schaub? Come on.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You don't think Hoyer is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick and the shitty version of Matt Schaub? Come on.

THEY FLIRTED WITH SIGNING CASSEL TO COMPETE. Dude got flushed by the Browns for fucks sake. Same tier of Shit QB play. He's poverty Alex at best.

[Hammock Parties]

THEY FLIRTED WITH SIGNING CASSEL TO COMPETE. Dude got flushed by the Browns for fucks sake.

They weren't going to sign Cassel to start.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dude belongs as a backup to one of the 30-32 tier QBs

[Hammock Parties]

Dude belongs as a backup to one of the 30-32 tier QBs

He's shown a lot of potential in only 17 starts.

The people poo-pooing Hoyer are the same idiots saying we should wait for Alex to improve after 10 years. It's a double standard.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Not at all. One actually has a bit of talent, but with a pair of balls would be deadly.

[Hammock Parties]

Not at all. One actually has a bit of talent, but with a pair of balls would be deadly.

And one actually throws the ball down the field...so again, double standard.

Hoyer and Alex are definitely in the same tier...but one has a lot more room to improve. Homers won't admit this, though.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

One doesn't protect the ball either. Not good for a popgun offense against an elite D. But hey CHUCK IT DEEEEEP! Sexy Rexy wasn't available?

[Hammock Parties]

One doesn't protect the ball either. Not good for a popgun offense against an elite D. But hey CHUCK IT DEEEEEP! Sexy Rexy wasn't available?

Hoyer is not a turnover prone QB.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Was last year. Wet over 12 TDs and 13 Picks ROFL 55 percent completion :eek: uh-oh

[Pasta Little Brioni]

DAMN. The more I research Casselberry would be an upgrade. Never realized he was THAT bad Count..wow

[Hammock Parties]

Was last year. Wet over 12 TDs and 13 Picks ROFL 55 percent completion :eek: uh-oh

13 picks in 13 games is not turnover prone.

But idiot homers on here think any QB that throws more than 10 picks is "turnover prone."

Get a little perspective on the rest of the NFL, where they aren't constantly in the bottom third of the league in pass attempts and yards per attempt.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

13 picks in 13 games is not turnover prone.

But idiot homers on here think any QB that throws more than 10 picks is "turnover prone."

Get a little perspective on the rest of the NFL, where they aren't constantly in the bottom third of the league in pass attempts and yards per attempt.

Well it was bad enough the Browns flushed that turd.

[Hammock Parties]

Well it was bad enough the Browns flushed that turd.

THE 49ERS FLUSHED OUR TURD. WAKE UP.

[MotherfuckerJones]

And one actually throws the ball down the field...so again, double standard.

Hoyer and Alex are definitely in the same tier...but one has a lot more room to improve. Homers won't admit this, though.

Hoyer has room to improve? He's 29 and the fucking Browns couldn't keep him. 12 TDs and 13 INTs last season. He's just another QB.

[Hammock Parties]

Hoyer has room to improve?

only 17 starts...

[MotherfuckerJones]

only 17 starts...

He's 29. He's not Rich Gannon. Give it a fucking rest kid. Get a life because this team brings you no excitement. JFC LMAO

[saphojunkie]

roon to improve.

My god you're a fucking moron.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

THE 49ERS FLUSHED OUR TURD. WAKE UP.

False...and they have regretted every second of it

[MotherfuckerJones]

Shitty trolling is shitty. Hyping up Hoyer. God you're fucking retarded

[duncan_idaho]

Love the excuses for opposing players ROFL Jesus fuck some of you are probably scared of your own shadow.

I'm not making excuses for Clowney. I've just seen him play when healthy and know what a force he can be.

He routinely destroyed a lot of guys who have gone on to be high NFL picks, including Mitch Morse and Justin Britt of Missouri, and the Texas A&M tackles, notably. And that was as the focal point of an offense's game plan.

He's a physical freak of nature who is going to be facing a lot of single blocking. If he's healthy and motivated, he could have a 12-15-sack season.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He routinely destroyed a lot of guys who have gone on to be high NFL picks, including Mitch Morse and Justin Britt of Missouri, and the Texas A&M tackles, notably. And that was as the focal point of an offense's game plan.

I am far from a Britt advocate but Clowney did not destroy him in any such way.... though I think he would 9/10 times.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

FWIW, ESPN 'experts' like Houston most this week. It went 8-5 in the Texans' favor.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Good keep fucking doubting us.

[Shox]

1st one team to 14 wins.

Chiefs 16
Texans 9

Defense will dominate for both teams.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I think it'll be close and low scoring but if Andy has a great gameplan ready... There is blowout potential.

The Chiefs have 5-6 guys who can score from any point on the field, and they didn't give up 30 points all last year... It's possible.

[Contrarian]

I am not even concerned about the group of Kareem Jackson, Johnathan Joseph, Quinton Demps, and Rahim Moore. They looked like crap in the preseason.

[Eleazar]

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[Eleazar]

And one actually throws the ball down the field...so again, double standard.

Hoyer and Alex are definitely in the same tier...but one has a lot more room to improve. Homers won't admit this, though.

RIP claynus