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Saccopoo

09-19-2015, 09:58 AM

Post NFL Combine Edition!

While many deride the Combine as an "underwear Olympics," GM John Dorsey puts a lot of stock into a players measurables when considering potential draft picks. Prototype physical measurments and explosiveness are big on his lists. Dorsey seems to place emphasis on the 3 Cone Drill times as well. He doesn't shy away from small school players and has no problem drafting them if they fall within his Decision Lens metrics.

As such, here's the new Chiefs mock that considers the 2016 NFL Combine:

1. Paxton Lynch, QB; Memphis, RS Junior: 6'7", 245 lb.

Combine measurements:
Height: 6'6.5"
Weight: 244 lb.
Arms: 34.5"
Hands: 10.25"
40: 4.86 seconds
Vertical: 36"
Broad: 118"
3 Cone: 7.14 seconds

- Lynch has modern prototype physical measurements for the position to go with long arms and huge hands. He also clocked in the highest ball velocity at the 2016 NFL Combine at 59 mph - meaning he's got a cannon. He also has the physical explosion that Dorsey covets in his prospects (vertical and broad jumps). He looked poised with good footwork during the drills. A little shaky on some of the throws, but displayed good placement with velocity on most tosses.

The Chiefs were one of 12 teams to meet with Lynch at the Combine and they sent scouts to every Memphis game this past season.

Season stats:
13 games
Passing:
296/443
66.8%
3,378 yards
28 TDs
4 Ints

Rushing:
239 yards
2 TDs

- Lynch was an absolute force for the vast majority of the 2015 season, passing for 300+ yards and multiple touchdowns eight times while leading the Tigers to a 9-3 record and a bowl matchup with Auburn. Lynch progressed each season, increasing his accuracy, yards, yards per attempt and TD to Int ratio.

Has dropped a bit in the eyes of the draftniks due to an average showing against Auburn and the rise of NDS' Carson Wentz, but IMO Lynch is the best QB in this draft and fits what Reid wants in a QB. (Think of a 3" taller, bigger armed Alex Smith and that's what you have in Lynch.) With Daniel a FA and Smith at 31, it's an opportune time to bring in the legit QBOTF for this franchise and have him learn the system and league behind Smith. Both Reid and Dorsey have brought in QB's in just this situation before and I don't see them passing on a talent like Lynch here if he is available.

Very tall, athletic body with ability to scan over the top. Elite foot quickness for a tall quarterback. Can maneuver quickly out of a busy pocket and away from trouble, but desires to keep passing option alive. Sets up in the pocket quickly and generally keeps feet "throw ready". More functional scrambler than "tuck and run" quarterback. Sacked just 15 times over 477 drop backs. Able to win with his feet when he needs to. Has a quick release to overcome his slight wind*-up. Has enough arm to drive the ball into restricted windows. Has enough arm to attack downfield while on the move. Makes good decisions. Rarely takes the cheese when cornerbacks try and bait him. Displays qualities of a field leader and isn't easy to rattle. Yards per attempt have exploded over his last two years. Can gain chunk yards as zone-read quarterback and will appeal to boot*-action teams. Will be challenging to defend in the red area.

Tall, lanky frame with broad shoulders and room to add more weight - built for the NFL and can take a beating. Light on his feet with the athleticism and body control to climb, shuffle and slide in the pocket, buying time and adjusting his throwing platform when needed.
Throws with accuracy on the move and comfortable moving the pocket with boots and motions. Good-enough arm strength to fire strikes with a quick trigger. Quick eyes to scan and make whole field reads. Improved poise to sense pressure and comfortable operating from within a confined pocket. Has the arm talent to get away with throwing without a firm base. Coaches praise his ability to acclimate and football IQ.

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(Former picks: Vadal Alexander, OL; LSU, Reggie Ragland, MLB; Alabama, Germain Ifedi, OT; Texas A&M; Austin Johnson, DT; Penn State)

2. Joshua Garnett, OG; Stanford, Senior: 6'5", 325 lb.

Combine:
Height: 6'4.5"
Weight: 312 lb.
Arms: 33 7/8"
Hands: 10 1/8"
Bench: 30 Reps
40: 5.32 seconds
Broad: 99"
3 Cone: 7.62 seconds

- The 2015 Outland Trophy winner as the best interior lineman in college football at Left Guard for the Cardinals. Powerful and flat out nasty. Will absolutely drive even the biggest defensive tackles all over the field at will. Uses his hands exceptionally well and easily picks up secondary blitzers and re-directs them while engaged with primary blocking responsibility.

Long arms and big, heavy hands with real power with his legs and arms. With the possibility of Jeff Allen leaving as a free agent and Ben Grubbs and Fanaika with injury + performance issues and Mitch Morse with a serious concussion issue that held him out the last month plus of the 2015 season, the interior offensive line is a real issue. Garnett is one of those rare players who's intelligence, strength, football skills and nasty demeanor would give him the chance to immediately start at a high level. Reminds me of a quicker Gabe Jackson. Just mean as shit on the field.

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Former picks: Demarcus Robinson, WR; Florida, Christian Hackenberg, QB; Penn State; Deiondre Hall, CB; Northern Iowa

3. Deiondre' Hall, CB; Northern Iowa: 6'2", 200 lb.

Combine:
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 199 lb.
Arms: 34 3/8"
Hands: 9 6/8"
Bench: DNP
40: 4.68 seconds
Vertical: 37"
Broad: 127"
3 Cone: 7.07 seconds

- While Hall's 40 time was a little disappointing, consider that another small school (Montana), but very physically similar CB Trumaine Johnson posted near identical numbers at his Combine. Hall's real gift is his unbelievable length, with the wingspan of a condor or albatross. He's also blossomed as a press corner in 2015, being named the Missouri Valley Conference's Defensive Player of the Year. Very good vertical and excellent broad jump. 82 tackles with 6 interceptions (two of them being returned for touchdowns). An aggressive and instinctive player who, like Sean Smith, found his calling as a press man corner. IMO, the best CB in the draft to emulate or replace what the Chiefs currently have in Sean Smith.

Brandon Lynch was hired as the Panthers’ defensive- backs coach in 2013. Midway through that season, Hall switched from a linebacker/safety/nickel position in the Panthers’ 3-4 scheme to outside cornerback and fared well in the Panthers man-coverage heavy scheme.

That offseason, Hall recalled, Lynch — who is now the assistant head coach for defense — had a message for him.

“He was like, ‘Dee, if you really trust this layout for you — if you trust this plan — then it will take you places, wherever you want to go,’ ” Hall said.

Lynch was right. Hall embraced the challenge of being on an island almost every play, and matured into the defensive player of the year for the Missouri Valley Football Conference in 2015.

“Being able to play press all the time is great,” Hall said. “The last two years it was almost strictly press-man (and) playing off man coverage. When you have a good front seven you can do that, and you really only have to win in the first 10-15 yards because that ball is coming out, so either he’s getting sacked or we’re breaking on the ball.”

Has the arm length of a left tackle. Long arms are extremely disruptive against 50/50 balls. Uses length to stuff blockers and get into the action. Values run support and tackling and is never shy. Unusually high tackle count for a cornerback (82 this season) and forced three fumbles. Not intimidated by physical receivers from bigger programs. Offers help outside his area if he reads quarterback?s intentions. Closes the deal when he has a shot at an interception finishing with 13 for his career including six this year. Instinctive and aware in thirds coverage and looked comfortable playing from safety slot.

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Former pick(s): (Cassanova McKinzy, LB; Auburn, Scooby Wright, LB; Arizona; Dak Prescott, QB; Ole Miss; Miles Killebrew, S; Southern Utah)

4. Joe Haeg, OT; North Dakota State: 6'6", 310 lb.

Combine:
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 304 lb.
Arms: 33 3/4"
Hands: 9 5/8"
Bench: DNP
40: 5.16 seconds
Vertical: ?
Broad: 111"
3 Cone: 7.47 seconds

- Top performer in the OL group in the broad jump, 3 cone drill and 20 yard shuttle (4.47 seconds).

- You want to know who has the most upside at the offensive tackle position in this draft? This dude. The first time I watched the Bison to look at QB Wentz, it was Haeg who immediately jumped off the screen. Incredible feet, balance, kick, arms and hands. Two time first Team FCS All-American. Four year starter, two at RT and two at LT. Give this guy an NFL weight and film room and he's got the potential to be an All-Pro.

“I like this North Dakota kid a lot,” an AFC personnel director said. “He’s tough. He’s got a good hand punch and he stays on his feet and can mirror pass rushers. He’s got the upside that you want to work with and develop him for down the road into a future starter.”

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Former pick(s): (Maurice Canady, CB; Virginia)

5. Tyvis Powell, S; Ohio State: 6'3", 215 lb. Junior.

Combine:
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 211 lb.
Arms: 32 3/4"
Hands: 9 1/2"
Bench: 15 reps
40: 4.46 seconds
Vertical: 34.5"
Broad: 120"
3 Cone: 7.03 seconds

- Overshadowed by Vonn Bell, but Powell excelled as the single high free safety in the Buckeyes defense. Defensive MVP of the 2014 National Championship game. Long and fast. Excellent recovery speed and really breaks well on the ball in the air. 71 tackles and 3 interceptions in 2015. Already has degree as an early entry junior.

Has plus traits that lead to quality ball skills. Can run. Plays with range speed necessary to come from opposite hash and challenge the deep ball. Good leaper with high point springs. Twitch is there to break on in-*cutting routes and make a play. Has excellent hands and comes down with the interception when it is there for him. Posted seven interceptions over last two seasons. Able to track down runners turning the corner.

(Previous pick - Tyler Marz, OT; Wisconsin; Bronson Kaufusi, DE; BYU; Ben Braunecker, TE; Harvard; Nick Vigil, LB; Utah State)

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Former picks: Doug Middleton, S; Appalachian State, Hunter Sharp, WR; Utah State

6. David Onyemata, DT; University of Manitoba; 6'4", 305 lb.

- The J.P. Metras Award winner, which is given to the top down lineman in Canadian college football. Originally from Nigeria, he didn't start playing football, actually never saw a football game, until 2011. (Played soccer to that point.) By the 2015 season, where he accumulated 50 tackles including 5 sacks while being double teamed nearly every down, he was showcasing superior strength and athleticism. Onyemata is considered the top Canadian NFL prospect, and received an invite to the East West Shrine game where he was described as "dominant" during practice. Consider him the LDT of the defensive side of the ball.

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Former pick(s): De'Vondre Campbell, OLB; Minnesota

6. Hunter Sharp, WR; Utah State: 5'11", 200 lb.

Combine:
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 198 lb.
Arms: 31 5/8"
Hands: 9 3/8"
Bench: 12 reps
40: 4.58 seconds
Vertical: 32.5"
Broad: 116"
3 Cone: 7.12 seconds

- I was more shocked with Sharp's less than stellar Combine numbers than almost anyone there. While not bad, they weren't what you saw on the field on Saturdays for the Aggies, where he was always the fastest guy on the field regardless of who they were playing. One of those guys who just seems to pick it up when the pads go on. Or didn't "train" well enough for the combine itself. Regardless, the guy can catch a football and his numbers will drop him into the fifth round easily at this point, where I think he'll be a steal.

- Speed. That's how Sharp plays the game from whistle to whistle. He's also a cocky, tough son of a bitch that plays fearless. Had 939 yards in 13 games in 2014 and 839 yards in 11 games in 2015 on a team built to run the ball. Averaged a ridiculous 35.4 yards per on kickoff returns in 2015. Will happily lay out for the highlight reel catch as well as put clown shoes on defenders with the ball in his hands on the open field. Think Steve Smith at the same stage. (Cousin of current Chiefs LB Derrick Johnson.)

Can ruin a cornerbacks entire day with his speed. Explodes off the line of scrimmage with forward lean and is able to open to full stride almost immediately. Combines swivel hips along with bravado and speed to make his mark after the catch. Weaves through traffic in his routes and after catch seamlessly. Can make defenders miss, but isn't afraid to lean in and finish his run aggressively. Used from slot, outside and out of backfield. Big play potential vertically or underneath after the catch. Uses stutter-*and*-go to get cornerbacks tilting early in his release. Has the play strength and instant burst that should allow him to defeat press coverage as a pro. Runs patient, controlled routes and can maximize separation. Can return punts and kicks. Ran a variety of routes over last two seasons.

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Former picks: Nelson Spruce, WR; Colorado

7. Tyrone Holmes, DE/OLB; Montana: 6'4", 250 lb.
- Your reigning 2015 FCS College Defensive Player of the Year. Former basketball and track star (shot put and high hurdles) in high school. 3.6 GPA in Marketing. Relentless. One of the real surprises of guys not getting a Combine invite. Dude led college football in sacks and was defensive player of the year in the FCS. That just doesn't seem right. Expect a pretty impressive pro day.

87 tackles, 21.5 tfl, 18 sacks, 3 ff.

"He doesn't say a whole lot, he just comes out and practices and plays the exact same way every single day - a hundred miles an hour," Montana coach Bob Stitt said. "It made our lives on offense through spring practices and fall camp miserable, having to try to block him and deal with him. So I know what opposing offenses are dealing with it with Tyrone. People feed off his play."

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Former Pick(s): Storm Woods, RB; Oregon State

ChiefsCountry

09-19-2015, 10:53 AM

Hackenberg will be a top 10 selection come draft time.

The Franchise

09-19-2015, 02:21 PM

Hackenberg will be a top 10 selection come draft time.

Teddy Bridgewater was as well.

RealSNR

09-19-2015, 02:41 PM

It's interesting that perhaps the two greatest team needs (besides QB) are still OT and OLB in spite of drafting those two positions in the 1st round in 2013 and 2014. :banghead:

RealSNR

09-19-2015, 02:42 PM

Also, Sac, can you give us one more 5th round pick since we traded Kelcie McCray?

TambaBerry

09-19-2015, 03:39 PM

Also, Sac, can you give us one more 5th round pick since we traded Kelcie McCray?

We traded one to the saints for Grubbs right?

RealSNR

09-19-2015, 04:53 PM

We traded one to the saints for Grubbs right?

I thought that was a 2015 pick

Sweet Daddy Hate

09-19-2015, 05:48 PM

This is the first draft you've made that I like from top to bottom.

*Though I am a Connor Cook man this year.

Saccopoo

09-19-2015, 06:51 PM

This is the first draft you've made that I like from top to bottom.

*Though I am a Connor Cook man this year.

They will never see Cook.

And I think Hackenberg has the best tools of the entire QB class. He needs to relearn the game, but I think he's got the most upside at the next level.

Hammock Parties

09-19-2015, 06:55 PM

We don't need a QB. We have Alex Smith. The next Steve Young.

Saccopoo

09-19-2015, 07:01 PM

We don't need a QB. We have Alex Smith. The next Steve Young.

That's true...

I'll have to really start looking into the top OT's then.

Sweet Daddy Hate

09-19-2015, 09:05 PM

They will never see Cook.

And I think Hackenberg has the best tools of the entire QB class. He needs to relearn the game, but I think he's got the most upside at the next level.

Do not underestimate the stupidity and lack of execution of the ReidSmith.

Saccopoo

09-20-2015, 08:00 AM

I thought that was a 2015 pick

Correct.

I just looked it up and we have two picks in the fifth round.

I'll add another to this list.

Actually, that was an amazing move by Dorsey to get a fifth rounder there.

Saccopoo

09-20-2015, 08:33 AM

Okay, just added the extra fifth rounder - Doug Middleton, S; Appalachian State

Discuss Thrower

09-20-2015, 10:57 AM

Let's be real here, the Chiefs are going to draft OT in the first round unless there's a passrushing OLB available.

RealSNR

09-20-2015, 11:21 AM

Let's be real here, the Chiefs are going to draft OT in the first round unless there's a passrushing OLB available.

They drafted a turd like Dee Ford.

Something tells me there's ALWAYS a passrushing OLB available when you're John Dorsey.

Saccopoo

09-20-2015, 11:23 AM

Let's be real here, the Chiefs are going to draft OT in the first round unless there's a passrushing OLB available.

Just depends on who Dorsey and his Decision Lens output says/believes is the best player available with that pick.

He seems to be a guy who sticks to his sheet.

Saccopoo

09-20-2015, 11:57 AM

They drafted a turd like Dee Ford.

Something tells me there's ALWAYS a passrushing OLB available when you're John Dorsey.

I think it's the drafting of the potential.

Dorsey takes the input of his scout staff (which is quite large if I remember correctly) quite seriously and uses a ton of information to put into the Decision Lens matrixing system that he utilizes as a determiner for both free agency and draft picks.

Look at his picks. They are thematic in terms of how they relate to their positions. He and the coaching staff have established a set of parameters that they want for each position.

Ford fit those parameters and the obvious hope was that he would blossom based on his skill set as it related to the system.

Obviously, to this point, he hasn't, but he's been playing behind two guys who many rank as one of the top OLB duo in the entire NFL in Hali and Houston. And Ford was considered relatively raw from a understanding perspective. However, he's got freak level athleticism and at this point, it's on the coaching staff and veteran players to make sure that those tools are honed to the point where, when needed, he's able to contribute in a positive manner.

It's just hard to get a lot of playing time behind guys like Hali and Houston, who are not only excellent players, but who have been ironmen at their positions.

Keep on grooming and hope that when his chance arrives, he delivers.

saphojunkie

09-20-2015, 12:23 PM

This draft is a wet dream.

the Talking Can

09-21-2015, 01:52 PM

The offensive line hinges on Fisher at RT. If he can recover from the high ankle sprain sooner rather than later as well as recover from the high amount of bullshit that he's already had to deal with in terms of the negative publicity surrounding that injury this season...

if fisher's performance is in any way affected by the 'negative publicity' of him being a pussy, he's even a bigger pussy than anyone thought...

but your draft starts with a QB, so I'll be nice....

BossChief

09-21-2015, 07:30 PM

if fisher's performance is in any way affected by the 'negative publicity' of him being a pussy, he's even a bigger pussy than anyone thought...

but your draft starts with a QB, so I'll be nice....

I someone openly calls me soft in the media, that would tend to light a fire under my ass. If that makes Fisher wimper, he needs to grow a set.

For another team.

I think that stuff was leaked to use as motivation.

Saccopoo

09-23-2015, 06:32 PM

Added some player video highlight reels.

Mr_Tomahawk

09-23-2015, 07:17 PM

Finally, a Sac draft I like.

Sweet Daddy Hate

09-24-2015, 03:11 AM

He's got good patience. He's also got receivers.

Discuss Thrower

09-24-2015, 11:57 PM

Added some player video highlight reels.

Spoiler tag that shit you troglodyte. You think everyone has CERN-level supercomputing and data transmission that their disposal?

Saccopoo

09-25-2015, 12:33 AM

Spoiler tag that shit you troglodyte. You think everyone has CERN-level supercomputing and data transmission that their disposal?

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It looks a little cheesy spoiler tagged. Kinda missing out on the grandeur of those tasty highlights. Ruins the aesthetic balance IMO.

Discuss Thrower

09-25-2015, 12:48 AM

Ruins the aesthetic balance IMO.

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Saccopoo

11-04-2015, 03:44 PM

Newly updated for the halfway point in the 2015 season.

Direckshun

11-05-2015, 10:33 AM

I like Canady and Marz a lot myself.

the Talking Can

11-06-2015, 08:01 AM

yeah, let's spend our first on a guard...genus

Saccopoo

11-06-2015, 11:53 PM

yeah, let's spend our first on a guard...genus

You see the difference that even a Jeff Allen makes in the game over warmed over dog shit?

By the time the Chiefs pick, the top three QB's will most likely be off the board. (Lynch, Goff, Cook.)

You take the best player at that point unless they actually do the bold and move up for a guy like Lynch.

Alexander would likely be in the conversation as BPA at that point. The guy is a fricking freight train. Go watch the last two years of LSU football. Dude absolutely wrecks defensive lines.

A guy like Hackenberg or Hogan should be available with the Chiefs second rounder and both are very similar players - big arm, good athletes, etc. Both are pretty solid prospects. (Personally, I like either of them better than Goff at this point and maybe even Cook. Lynch is my fav, but at this pace, he's not going to be available.)

If you can get a Hogan or Hackenberg in the second round, you load up on fixing the protection issue that has plague this team at the OG spot for the past five plus years. Alexander would rectify that immediately. And then you get your QBOTF in the second. (And both Hogan and Hack do have first round talent. It's just a pretty good 1 through 5 at the QB position - if all the QB's declare.)

Direckshun

11-07-2015, 01:59 AM

Saccopoo

11-11-2015, 10:14 PM

There's really only one guard I would have taken in the first round in my roughly-decade-long time following the draft intensely, and that's David DeCastro, and he's hardly been worth the return on investment for the Steelers.

You can say that about most positions though.

And due to the rookie salary cap, the positional value is not as critical as it was in the recent past. You just get the best guy on the board, regardless of position as it only helps build the team.

Look at the Chiefs this season - the addition of Jeff Allen and Sean Smith has basically turned around this team from an on field performance stand point. And neither are world beaters, but they are good enough to be the difference in a team who was pretty close.

They still need a legitimate RG and RT. And Vadal Alexander is legit. The Tigers have basically run behind him for three straight seasons and have done so effectively. He absolutely works dudes. Nasty.

And I would have taken Gabe Jackson in the first round of 2014. He was the best OG prospect I've seen in a long time and he's absolutely fucking dudes up this season. Big reason for the Raiders possible resurgence in 2015.

ESPN’s NFL Insider Matt Williamson, a former NFL scout, recently said Jackson is on the brink of being an elite player. He said Jackson is one of the key foundation players of an organization that’s rebuilding around him, Carr, Cooper and Mack.
“He’s one of the very top young guards in the NFL right now,” Williamson told ESPN.com. “

Vadal Alexander is that same type of player. Very physical, looking to intimidate guys opposite of him. Plays with a strong base and drives dudes relentlessly.

Alexander, who is experienced at both guard and tackle, is a mauler in the run game with heavy hands and the core strength to generate movement at the point of attack.

You take the best available. If the Chiefs win the games that they should they will be picking in the teens to twenties and Alexander will definitely be in the conversation in terms of BPA at that point. (And, as stated, if that's where the Chiefs pick, then, most likely, the top three QB's will be off the board and they should have their pick of either Hackenberg or Hogan in the second - both of which have legitimate tools for the next level. (And I do think that Hackenberg has the potential to actually be the best QB in this draft class long term.)

Mr_Tomahawk

11-12-2015, 12:51 PM

God I love this draft.

SAUTO

11-12-2015, 06:47 PM

I'm in on this

The Franchise

11-14-2015, 03:28 PM

If we aren't taking a QB until the 2nd.....give me Jaylon Smith, ILB in the first.

jonzie04

11-14-2015, 04:51 PM

No idea where we will be picking, but if both Jaylon Smith and Vadal are there when we pick I'm taking Smith 100 times out of 100 picks. Don't know much about Vadal, but both Smith, and Jack have the upside to be among the very best in the game IMO. I do like the way you drafted though. We certainly could use another lineman or two. And I'd love to take the BPA in the first, assuming the top 2 QBs were gone, and then follow it up with the best QB available.

RunKC

11-14-2015, 05:10 PM

Your first round pick sucks In pass pro and got humiliated vs Alabama.

These days you should be looking to take a QB, OT, pass rusher or secondary in round 1 unless there is a truly great generational player available.

Urc Burry

11-16-2015, 04:41 PM

If we aren't taking a QB until the 2nd.....give me Jaylon Smith, ILB in the first.

LOVE Jaylon Smith. Not sure he'll be there though. Would Myles Jack be a fit? I love his versatility

ILChief

11-16-2015, 06:59 PM

CP will implode, but not bad picks

Couch-Potato

11-17-2015, 09:54 AM

Great draft! Thank you for sharing.

If we went this direction I would need to see a Vet WR added that can actually play though.

...I'm already having nightmares that we'll end up grabbing Victor Cruz as our hot WR addition of the offseason.

Saccopoo

11-17-2015, 10:28 AM

LOVE Jaylon Smith. Not sure he'll be there though. Would Myles Jack be a fit? I love his versatility

Why would we want to draft a guy/two guys who are 43 OLBs at the next level?

Great athletes the both of them, but neither are gap filling, 34 ILB's at the next level.

If you are looking for a potential convert from weakside OLB to ILB like Derrick Johnson, both McKinzy (who has played both inside and outside for Auburn) and Ohio State's Josh Perry (who is more of a traditional 34 OLB but has characteristics that would translate to the ILB 34 position) would be, potentially, better options than either Smith or Jack.

Personally, I'd love to see them pillage either Zach Vigil or Josh Hull from the Dolphins this off-season in addition to drafting a guy.

Saccopoo

11-17-2015, 06:42 PM

Newly updated after the win against the shit munching Doncos.

RunKC

11-17-2015, 07:40 PM

I think ILB is one of the least valuable positions to draft in the first rd unless a generational talent is there.

We also have Wilson and March.

ILChief

11-17-2015, 08:02 PM

I liked the last version better

Saccopoo

11-17-2015, 08:06 PM

I think ILB is one of the least valuable positions to draft in the first rd unless a generational talent is there.

We also have Wilson and March.

It's a bit of a weird first round IMO.

There's really no "generational" talents in this draft regardless of position, though it does look relatively solid.

Especially where the Chiefs will be picking. Guys like Vadal Alexander, Reggie Ragland, Taylor Decker, Germain Ifedi, Tra'Davious White, etc. are going to be the guys you are looking at.

TBH, the biggest upside, "explosive" type player in this draft might be Ezekiel Elliot followed by Corey Coleman. Are those "generational" type of guys? I don't think so. And those guys should/could be available when the Chiefs pick.

It's really a BPA, stay put type of draft depending upon how the board falls due to the previous picks.

Due to the lack of impact that Wilson, Alexander and Mauga have displayed, a guy like Ragland makes a lot of sense. They really don't have anyone on the team at the ILB that can play the run effectively and Ragland does that exceptionally well. If Decker is still on the board, I'd probably go that route as RT trumps MLB (even Ifedi is a solid choice at RT and might have the most upside and could play inside as well), but the "impact" positions you are thinking about don't have guys as good as those as the non-traditional ones in this draft at the point where the Chiefs should be picking.

And Ragland is a pretty solid player. He's on a tear right now and is the best player on that defense that's just shutting teams down right now. Go watch him against Arkansas. The Razorbacks run on everyone and Ragland just plugged their shit up like 543 lbs. of government cheese.

The Franchise

11-18-2015, 09:00 AM

Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame.

RunKC

11-18-2015, 10:42 AM

Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame.

He's said he's not planning on coming out.

The Franchise

11-18-2015, 12:00 PM

He's said he's not planning on coming out.

Well I guess that's good for the Irish then.

KC native

11-18-2015, 02:08 PM

An ILB with the 1st pick?

LMAO

The Franchise

11-19-2015, 11:10 AM

Why would we want to draft a guy/two guys who are 43 OLBs at the next level?

Great athletes the both of them, but neither are gap filling, 34 ILB's at the next level.

If you are looking for a potential convert from weakside OLB to ILB like Derrick Johnson, both McKinzy (who has played both inside and outside for Auburn) and Ohio State's Josh Perry (who is more of a traditional 34 OLB but has characteristics that would translate to the ILB 34 position) would be, potentially, better options than either Smith or Jack.

Personally, I'd love to see them pillage either Zach Vigil or Josh Hull from the Dolphins this off-season in addition to drafting a guy.

You're telling me that you don't think Jaylon Smith could play in the 3-4 in the NFL?

jonzie04

11-19-2015, 12:08 PM

Jack isnt idea size but he would be a monster in a 3-4... This isn't a Paul Dawson running around blockers, getting destoryed when they get their hands on him. The dude fits up where he's supposed to and he destroys lineman. I posted these in another thread but maybe you missed them...

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As for Jaylon, I don't have an arsenal of his gifs but he has a pretty massive frame. 6-3 235 and he looks like he has 34+ inch long arms, and he's fairly stout at the point of attack..He does rely on his speed/instincts to beat blockers to the spot to make tackles, but he's so great at it he will most likely be able to do it in the NFL. His sidline to side line speed is just downright insane, Proably on par with Luke Kuechlys if not even better. I would take him in a heartbeat, and i'd come up with a scheme designed to let him run and round and make tackles.

Saccopoo

11-19-2015, 03:51 PM

You're telling me that you don't think Jaylon Smith could play in the 3-4 in the NFL?
That's what I am saying.

O.city

11-21-2015, 04:36 PM

I would really like to see Treadwell accross from maclin.

Tribal Warfare

11-24-2015, 05:52 PM

IMO, KC will be looking at another 3-4 NT/DE somewhere in the 1st 3 rounds, because of the fear ( Honestly, God forbid) that Dontari could reinjure his back. The defense has looked average because of his injury. Though the Denver game showed he could be finally healthy now. Ultimately, Devito is on his last legs and the Chiefs need another versatile DL to help the DBs too, because we can get beat deep due to the lack of speed at the CB position.

OldSchool

11-24-2015, 08:51 PM

I puke at the thought of the Hack in the 2nd round. Might as well take that pick, wipe your ass with it, and flush it down the toilet. That's how good Hack is.

Saccopoo

11-25-2015, 11:51 AM

I puke at the thought of the Hack in the 2nd round. Might as well take that pick, wipe your ass with it, and flush it down the toilet. That's how good Hack is.

http://i.imgur.com/iVJdk8P.gif

Saccopoo

11-25-2015, 11:52 AM

Saccopoo

11-26-2015, 01:26 PM

Newly updated for the .500 5/5 mark road to the playoffs situation the Chiefs are looking at right now.

Tribal Warfare

11-26-2015, 05:22 PM

http://www.kcchiefs.com/assets/images/imported/KC/photos/Nunez-Roches.jpg

That cat was a later round pick too, I'm talking about a DL who can pick up the slack when Poe is dinged like Billings or Robinson. Added to that Dontari's contract year.

BryanBusby

11-26-2015, 11:56 PM

Tribal Warfare

11-27-2015, 12:58 AM

What the fuck for? They've already got the next NT; just need to extend.

Howard for the most part is above average but not elite, getting an elite NT is a necessity for a dominant 3-4 Defense. Also, you need more than one hence the versatile remark like Ngata in his prime.

Saccopoo

11-27-2015, 10:25 AM

Howard for the most part is above average but not elite, getting an elite NT is a necessity for a dominant 3-4 Defense. Also, you need more than one hence the versatile remark like Ngata in his prime.

So you want them to draft an "elite" NT prospect with Howard, Poe and Nunez-Roches on the roster?

Thankfully, I don't think that there is an "elite" NT prospect in this draft. And if there were, the Chiefs won't be picking high enough to secure such a talent.

Howard has been pretty good this season. In fact, he's looked better than Poe in terms of holding and pushing the double gaps in the base 34's. Better run defender, enough so that I'd rather see Poe as the five tech and Howard as the Zero NT.

Nunez-Roches came out as a RS Junior after a very strong year. If he stayed and put together a similar year his senior year, he most likely would have been selected much higher than the sixth round. Pretty good, savvy pick by Dorsey actually considering that DeVito was coming off an achilles injury and his effectiveness going forward was pretty much in doubt at the time of the draft.

A guy like Kaufusi would be just like David Irving this past summer/preseason - a long, athletic guy who would provide a different look on passing downs from the DE position. (And I think that Kaufusi is a better prospect than Irving was at the same stage.)

kccrow

11-27-2015, 01:53 PM

Saccopoo

11-27-2015, 05:10 PM

I don't think Ifedi has the foot speed to stay outside. I do really like him as a guard prospect though. After that, I can't really say I don't like a pick. I think Hackeberg would test well enough in offseason programs that he won't be there late in round 2. He's really got a shit supporting cast and NFL teams will take that into account to some extent. If he's there, yeah I'd run up to the podium. He's got the talent to be much higher ranked but a bunch of bozos for lineman and receivers. What a shame.

System didn't fit him either. I don't see him going back and it will depend on the pro day/combine/individual workouts where he goes. Really depends on what the draft falls like. He's got first round talent, but he's stalled in a lot of areas and will need to be coached back up into his natural gifts.

And, as you said, Hogan should be a viable canidate in the second if the other four/five go early. I like Hogan. He's a pretty athletic guy with a really nice arm. Not overly accurate at times, but I think that's a correctable flaw in his motion. Otherwise, he's a really good fit for Reid's system.

Any of these guys are going to need one year at least and the Chiefs will have that luxury next year.

While I agree that Ifedi doesn't have the quickest of feet, his foot work is solid and he's exceptional in using his hands and length and upper body strength in redirecting guys. He's fundamentally sound if not a master tactician like Mathews. I think he could play on the edge quite easily due to his length, which would be wasted on the interior. Watching the A&M games, he's impressed me with his ability to move speed guys out and around while staying engaged on the interior. I think he's easily good enough to be a top RT.

Tribal Warfare

11-29-2015, 05:32 AM

So you want them to draft an "elite" NT prospect with Howard, Poe and Nunez-Roches on the roster?

Thankfully, I don't think that there is an "elite" NT prospect in this draft. And if there were, the Chiefs won't be picking high enough to secure such a talent.

Howard has been pretty good this season. In fact, he's looked better than Poe in terms of holding and pushing the double gaps in the base 34's. Better run defender, enough so that I'd rather see Poe as the five tech and Howard as the Zero NT.
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When Poe was healthy was elite( last year's pass rush), Howard is not. When the Defense finally came around season when Poe himself was giving more effort because he was more confident in his injury situation. if Poe is healthy then re-sign him if not then you got to look elsewhere and Billings is a straight up beast BTW.

Speaking of Elite prospects Poe's production wasn't in no means elite, he was drafted on his measurables/potential.

Saccopoo

11-29-2015, 10:26 AM

When Poe was healthy was elite( last year's pass rush), Howard is not. When the Defense finally came around season when Poe himself was giving more effort because he was more confident in his injury situation. if Poe is healthy then re-sign him if not then you got to look elsewhere and Billings is a straight up beast BTW.

Speaking of Elite prospects Poe's production wasn't in no means elite, he was drafted on his measurables/potential.

Billings is a nice player. I think he'll be viewed more as a 43 DT than a NT in a 34 but he's shown the strength and anchor to be effective in either.

That being said, I seriously doubt that the Chiefs are going to be looking at the DT spot early unless they aren't able to resign Howard for something in the Allen Bailey ballpark of numbers.

It's not like at the OLB or ILB position, where no one outside the starters have distinguished themselves. The Chiefs have pretty solid and interchangable DT/DE's on the roster in Poe, Bailey, Howard, DeVito and Nunez-Roches (who actually has looked pretty solid in his snaps this year). Even Nick Williams has played the run well in limited snaps. DeVito looks like he's back into form after the achilles as well.

I just don't see the DT position being a Round 1 priority versus other positions, though Dorsey has shown that he'll draft BPA as it relates to other players on the team and their expiring contracts. (Fisher/Albert; Ford/Houston)

RT/OL, CB, QB, WR look to be the priority positions going into the 2016 Draft IMO.

Tribal Warfare

11-29-2015, 05:40 PM

Billings is a nice player. I think he'll be viewed more as a 43 DT than a NT in a 34 but he's shown the strength and anchor to be effective in either.

That being said, I seriously doubt that the Chiefs are going to be looking at the DT spot early unless they aren't able to resign Howard for something in the Allen Bailey ballpark of numbers.

It's not like at the OLB or ILB position, where no one outside the starters have distinguished themselves. The Chiefs have pretty solid and interchangable DT/DE's on the roster in Poe, Bailey, Howard, DeVito and Nunez-Roches (who actually has looked pretty solid in his snaps this year). Even Nick Williams has played the run well in limited snaps. DeVito looks like he's back into form after the achilles as well.

I just don't see the DT position being a Round 1 priority versus other positions, though Dorsey has shown that he'll draft BPA as it relates to other players on the team and their expiring contracts. (Fisher/Albert; Ford/Houston)

RT/OL, CB, QB, WR look to be the priority positions going into the 2016 Draft IMO.

Poe and the defense got owned because of the lack of pressure up the middle and occupying the blockers (Goddamnit) to allow the OLBs to do their Job.The NT position is a definite need if Poe isn't ever the same.

Saccopoo

11-29-2015, 06:41 PM

Poe and the defense got owned because of the lack of pressure up the middle and occupying the blockers (Goddamnit) to allow the OLBs to do their Job.The NT position is a definite need if Poe isn't ever the same.

Not having Bailey hurt more than anything against the Bills and has really been key on Houston's lessening of sack numbers this season, but they most certainly will have to get a full medical on Poe.

He's getting the reps now, so maybe it's more of a conditioning thing at this point. I'm not sure.

duncan_idaho

12-01-2015, 04:40 PM

Sacc- would appreciate your thoughts on Matt Wells in the coaching search thread in the lounge.

You can splooge on Chuckie Keaton all you want.:D

Tribal Warfare

12-02-2015, 12:29 AM

Not having Bailey hurt more than anything against the Bills and has really been key on Houston's lessening of sack numbers this season, but they most certainly will have to get a full medical on Poe.

He's getting the reps now, so maybe it's more of a conditioning thing at this point. I'm not sure.

My fear is that Poe will always have shooting pains from his back to his legs, and can't use his strength and explosion off the snap because of this affliction. If he can truly rehab his back this offseason and comes back to form then that'll be awesome.

Since we are in the dark concerning Poe's health, It's my opinion the Chiefs do need a NT if Dontari doesn't ever recover.

O.city

12-31-2015, 07:36 PM

Ragland is a stud. If he's therr I'd be interested

GloucesterChief

01-02-2016, 10:10 AM

My fear is that Poe will always have shooting pains from his back to his legs, and can't use his strength and explosion off the snap because of this affliction. If he can truly rehab his back this offseason and comes back to form then that'll be awesome.

Since we are in the dark concerning Poe's health, It's my opinion the Chiefs do need a NT if Dontari doesn't ever recover.

If there is issues with Poe, I think Destiny Vaeao from Wazzu would be a good later round pick. I think he could play NT or DE. He has experience in a 3-4 already.

Also, with DAT I think we should take a late round flyer on Braxton Miller if he is available and use him like Antwan Randle - El as an all around gadget player/returner.

Saccopoo

01-02-2016, 10:35 AM

If there is issues with Poe, I think Destiny Vaeao from Wazzu would be a good later round pick. I think he could play NT or DE. He has experience in a 3-4 already.

Also, with DAT I think we should take a late round flyer on Braxton Miller if he is available and use him like Antwan Randle - El as an all around gadget player/returner.

I'm not a huge fan of picking a gadget player as specifically a gadget player. There are a lot of guys who actually player their respective positions very well who also can function as a kick/punt returner. Canady, the CB from Virginia, and Sharp, the receiver from Utah State, are both excellent at their position while leading their conferences in punt return yardage.

I'd rather have a guy who had the potential of being at least a #3 guy at their position with the possibility of moving up to the #2 guy while also working in at KR/PR versus a guy who will be nothing more than the quirky gadget guy without a real position.

GloucesterChief

01-02-2016, 12:04 PM

I'm not a huge fan of picking a gadget player as specifically a gadget player. There are a lot of guys who actually player their respective positions very well who also can function as a kick/punt returner. Canady, the CB from Virginia, and Sharp, the receiver from Utah State, are both excellent at their position while leading their conferences in punt return yardage.

I'd rather have a guy who had the potential of being at least a #3 guy at their position with the possibility of moving up to the #2 guy while also working in at KR/PR versus a guy who will be nothing more than the quirky gadget guy without a real position.

Miller is still learning the WR position. You can line him up in the backfield as a half back and since he was a QB in college he can throw decently well. I see him as more as Randle-El than DAT. A WR that you can lineup anywhere and run gadget and trick plays through.

Not a top four rd pick but worth a 5th, 6th, 7th round flyer on.

O.city

01-02-2016, 12:16 PM

Miller is going higher than that. He's shown some really good wr skills, Id take him in the 3rd

RunKC

01-02-2016, 03:10 PM

I'm not a fan of Hackenberg honestly. I don't think he's very accurate and needs a lot of work reading defenses. He's basically Tyler Bray.

I think Kevin Hogan is the perfect king of QB Andy Reid likes. I'd love to draft him in round 2.

O.city

01-02-2016, 06:01 PM

Hogan has a weird release, don't think they'll like that.

I think Hackenberg ends up in the first round. He was in an awful situation, and he's only 20 years old

GloucesterChief

01-02-2016, 06:24 PM

Hogan has a weird release, don't think they'll like that.

I think Hackenberg ends up in the first round. He was in an awful situation, and he's only 20 years old

Hogan is decently accurate but not stupendously so.

Saccopoo

01-03-2016, 03:44 AM

Hackenberg declared:

The mystery that is Christian Hackenberg's NFL draft stock is only beginning to unravel with his announcement Saturday that he will apply for early entry into the 2016 NFL Draft. But with plenty of both positive and negative elements in place for his scouting evaluation, an NFC scout told College Football 24/7 Saturday night that the Nittany Lions junior should be chosen by the end of the third round "at the absolute latest."

Such is the market for quarterbacks in a league that thrives on them, and can never have enough good ones.

Hackenberg threw just six interceptions in 13 games on the season, but completed just 53 percent of his passes, threw for only 16 touchdowns, and struggled to stretch the field vertically. There are significant concerns about Hackenberg's accuracy and lack of production at the college level among NFL scouts. Penn State's pass protection of Hackenberg has been a career-long struggle as well, resulting in 103 sacks over three seasons, which has had a negative effect on Hackenberg's footwork. Still, his size and physical tools for the position make him a promising prospect, but perhaps one that will need some developmental time at the pro level.

Hackenberg's next chance to improve his draft standing will come at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis in February. And if his game film is all scouts have to go on until then, the combine can't arrive soon enough for Hackenberg.

RunKC

01-04-2016, 10:35 AM

Tribal Warfare

01-05-2016, 05:06 AM

Saccopoo

01-05-2016, 03:12 PM

Few things to ponder:

-why do we need an ILB if DJ is back? I think they are happy with Mauga and Wilson/March as developmental prospects with nice potential. You also have Alexander who has been money on ST's. I'd love to see him get some more reps in preseason.

Alexander is the Hemingway of MLB. If neither he nor Wilson can push Mauga out of the starting spot, then we need to look at someone who can. Mauga is literally the slowest player at his position in the league and doesn't fill holes very well. And if he's continuing to beat out Wilson or Alexander, well then...

-from the looks of things now, it looks like CB or DL will be the best prospect on the board.
You have the 4 good CB prospects and then follow that up with guys like King/Fuller who should be available. You could also have multiple DL from the powerful trio of Bama DL.

I agree and our depth behind Smith/Peters is obviously horrendous. However, DL is looking pretty solid. DeVito is playing exceptionally well right now and both Nunez-Roches and Williams have looked good in spot play. All three will be relatively cheap in terms of a resign versus Howard.

At this point, I think WR and ILB are not big needs. We just need depth. I think an OT would be ideal for this regime (they won't draft QB rd 1. We all know it). I would love to see OL and CB in the first 2 rounds.

They need to get a quality RT in. Reid is great for a backup, but he gets smoked by speed rushers. Stephenson looks great for a game or two and then just falls off the map. But he knows the system and can play four positions. I hope that they re-sign him, even if it costs a little more to do so.

They do need to get a QB in though. Daniel and Murray are the exact same dude and Bray is Bray. They need to get a possible QBOTF in here soon to learn the system and play behind Smith to understand what professionalism at the NFL level is supposed to look like. Lynch, Hogan, Hackenberg, Wentz would all be a solid fit for the system.

Now is that more important than a starting RT or a #3 CB? Perhaps.

I think that they will be looking at the potential of picking in the first round between guys like

Germain Ifedi, OT, Texas A&M
Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU
Carson Wentz, QB; North Dakota State
Austin Johnson, DT; Penn State
Michael Thomas, WR; Ohio State
Josh Doctson, WR; TCU
Jack Conklin, OT; Michigan State
Hunter Henry, TE; Arkansas
Corey Coleman, WR; Baylor

That's a lot of freaking talent right there and I'm not sure which direction I'd take at that point. How much is Kelce going to cost you on the FA market? Henry has a chance to be a better Kelce. I absolutely love Ifedi as an NFL RT. Coleman looks to be a Maclin clone. Wentz oozes poential. So does White..

Personally I'd go with Ifedi in the first and try to pick up Hackenberg or Hogan in the second and then fill the remaining positions as it goes along with CB and ILB as priority after that.

Saccopoo

01-05-2016, 03:16 PM

If Connor Cook is there the Chiefs better select him

Tempting. I'm not totally sold on Cook. His accuracy numbers are a concern and he's obviously a douche nozzle. He's got a nice arm and can put up numbers, but he's not the best in pocket and has never really consistently put up quality accuracy in his entire college career.

Question is, is he a good douche nozzle (Rivers) or a bad douche nozzle (Manziel)? As the senior QB, he wasn't voted as one of the team captains by his teammates. That's a bit worrisome if you ask me.

oaklandhater

01-05-2016, 04:58 PM

If Connor Cook is there the Chiefs better select him

X1000

oaklandhater

01-05-2016, 05:00 PM

Tempting. I'm not totally sold on Cook. His accuracy numbers are a concern and he's obviously a douche nozzle. He's got a nice arm and can put up numbers, but he's not the best in pocket and has never really consistently put up quality accuracy in his entire college career.

Question is, is he a good douche nozzle (Rivers) or a bad douche nozzle (Manziel)? As the senior QB, he wasn't voted as one of the team captains by his teammates. That's a bit worrisome if you ask me.

He likes being in the limelight more like (Cutler) instead of (manziel) he is not much of a partier

Saccopoo

01-10-2016, 02:29 PM

Newly updated for the end of the season.

O.city

01-10-2016, 03:44 PM

Cook declined his invite to the Sr bowl. No thanks

Saccopoo

01-10-2016, 05:29 PM

Cook declined his invite to the Sr bowl. No thanks

I'd much rather have either Hackenberg or Hogan in the second or third than Cook in the first.

kccrow

01-10-2016, 07:06 PM

My only legitimate bitch about your takes on Howard is that Howard IS the reserve NT to Poe. There isn't a player on the roster that can step in and fill that void for Poe anywhere near as well as Howard can. While I agree that he needs to be signed at he right price, Howard is very valuable and is a much better player on the field than any of DeVito, Nunez-Roches, or Williams. Overall, Howard is an extremely important re-signing, but like you I have come to the conclusion that I would not like for the Chiefs to break bank on him. The thing is, our definitions of what that number is likely differ.

As for your draft itself, here's a couple notes in my view...

Nelson Spruce is a fine college receiver, but his tests at the combine will matter greatly. Teams will want to see if he at least has baseline numbers to create some sort of separation from defensive backs in the NFL. He runs great routes and has great hands, but there has to be enough actual physical ability there or you're drafting what would be Jason Avant at best.

Scooby Wright is an outstanding linebacker, an absolutely devastating play-maker when he's on the field. I think teams are going to look at his film, and if he checks out medically, he's going very early. Probably won't get to the 1st round because of his missed time, but he's going to go by the middle of round 2. About the only way I can see Wright going third round is if there is some lingering issue medically that has to be treated. He's just a non-stop motor, stacks and sheds like a beast, can rush the passer, can drop into coverage, he's as complete a 3-4 ILB as you're going to find and will be a fine 4-3 OLB in the mould of Von Miller. He doesn't have ideal height, but he's a play-maker and that is all that matters. If he was 3" taller, he'd be getting touted as the next Clay Matthews type of player (can do everything pretty well), I can guarantee it. Hey, if he goes round 3 or later, awesome. I just can't fathom it if he runs remotely well in off-season workouts.

RunKC

01-10-2016, 07:18 PM

Connor Cook has bad Cutler written all over him. Teaching accuracy is almost impossible, and it's arguably the most important thing they need to succeed.

GloucesterChief

01-10-2016, 11:36 PM

Tribal Warfare

01-11-2016, 12:26 AM

I would remove Hackenberg. We don't need QBOTF just yet as Alex is only 31. Maybe next year. I don't think we need another TE with Kelce, Harris, and O'shaughnessy

I would like to see this:
1) Ifedi
2) Scooby Wright
3) Braxton Miller
4) Canady
5) Bryce Treggs
6) Destiny Vaeao (if we lose anybody on the D-Line)
7) Tyrone Holmes

If you don't like Miller that high I could see Kenny Lawler Jr from Cal in rd 3.

If you like Alex or not there is always a premium on QBs. Look how the Packers( Rodgers) run their organization. If a QB who has elite tangibles and intangibles you select him.

kcchiefsus

01-11-2016, 09:51 AM

I would hope the lack of depth behind Maclin shows that we're not close to being done at WR.

The Franchise

01-11-2016, 01:15 PM

I would remove Hackenberg. We don't need QBOTF just yet as Alex is only 31. Maybe next year. I don't think we need another TE with Kelce, Harris, and O'shaughnessy

I would like to see this:
1) Ifedi
2) Scooby Wright
3) Braxton Miller
4) Canady
5) Bryce Treggs
6) Destiny Vaeao (if we lose anybody on the D-Line)
7) Tyrone Holmes

If you don't like Miller that high I could see Kenny Lawler Jr from Cal in rd 3.

Now is the time to get that QB in here. He won't be needed next year and it gives him a full year to learn the offense. If he doesn't start in year 2....no big deal. Year 3 is his year though.

O.city

01-11-2016, 01:54 PM

Now is the time to get that QB in here. He won't be needed next year and it gives him a full year to learn the offense. If he doesn't start in year 2....no big deal. Year 3 is his year though.

Problem is, if that happens you've gotta look at signing him then after 2 years of starting

CleveSteve

01-12-2016, 02:21 PM

Saccopoo

01-14-2016, 06:03 PM

I love Spruce and Holmes. Holmes lit up NDSU in the college season opener this year. Spruce is a damn one-man show at Colorado. I like Wright a lot, too... not sure if he makes it to that side of 80, but who knows at this point?

Hackenberg, tho... man. No thanks.

Holmes was an absolute animal this season. Would be a nice addition to the OLB corps and he could be brought along and up to NFL speed without pressuring him. He might go earlier though, especially if he times as well as he should. With both Hali and Houston nursing injuries, I wouldn't mind another young pass rusher on this team besides Ford.

And Spruce is amazing. Colorado sucked. Everyone knew where the ball was going and he got covered like flies on a pile of fresh horse shit every play and still managed to put up 1000+ yards. I think he'd be excellent in this offense. As previously noted, it will depend on his pro day times. He's not fast, but the guy catches absolutely everything. It will be interesting if Dorsey would go for a guy like Spruce because of his hands versus his numbers (which Dorsey loves). I do know that this team needs a guy who can catch the goddamn ball outside of Maclin at the WR position.

Hackenberg had his ups and downs. His freshman year was amazing, his sophomore year was the epitome of "slump" but he played well this year and got the Lions into a bowl game when they didn't have much on the offensive side of the ball. The games I watched, the kid played hard even while he was taking an absolute beating. He'll need to be re-worked but I think he's got a better tool set than any other QB in this draft. Huge arm, mobile, big body. He's the type of guy you roll the dice on in the second round if he's there.

Saccopoo

01-14-2016, 06:12 PM

I would remove Hackenberg. We don't need QBOTF just yet as Alex is only 31. Maybe next year. I don't think we need another TE with Kelce, Harris, and O'shaughnessy

I would like to see this:
1) Ifedi
2) Scooby Wright
3) Braxton Miller
4) Canady
5) Bryce Treggs
6) Destiny Vaeao (if we lose anybody on the D-Line)
7) Tyrone Holmes

If you don't like Miller that high I could see Kenny Lawler Jr from Cal in rd 3.

Alex may be only 31, but he's 10 years into the league and has taken an absolute beating for the vast majority of those years behind some truly horrible offensive lines.

They do need to start looking at a QBOTF prospect sooner rather than later. Getting a guy in to learn behind a guy like Smith would be a real boon, especially in a system that's as complicated as Reid's.

the Talking Can

01-16-2016, 06:19 PM

we need an offensive playmaker much more than we need an ol...as the pats game just made abundantly clear

and we need to be grooming alex's replacement stat*

* not saying replace smith, saying have a qb prepped and ready to go in 2/3 years

Saccopoo

01-22-2016, 11:40 AM

we need an offensive playmaker much more than we need an ol...as the pats game just made abundantly clear

Charles is coming back. Conley will be better. However, what do we really have at right offensive tackle? You really want to go into the 2016 season with Reid and Stephenson battling it out? (And that's if we actually re-sign Stephenson.)

It's a huge hole.

A good possession receiver you can find. Free agency or the draft, that's not too difficult a position to fill. However, a 70% level starting right tackle is.

and we need to be grooming alex's replacement stat*

Agreed, and I think that there are those guys in this draft. Hackenberg or Hogan should be there in the second and either would be a great prospect for this system given a couple of years to re-work their mechanics and learn the NFL.

royalschiefs

01-22-2016, 06:31 PM

Beautiful draft right here, Sac.

I would be ecstatic if we got Spruce in the 6th. I have a feeling he's going to shoot up draft boards everywhere though.

Saccopoo

01-22-2016, 07:25 PM

From Walter on the Shrine game practices:

Karras held his own in the one-on-ones and stonewalled some pass-rushers. Karras used athleticism and his hands to sustain a block and ride Virginia tackle David Dean around the pocket. That earned praise from the coaches. On two reps, Karras just tossed Dean down into the turf. Karras did lose a rep to Montana's Tyron Holmes (6-4, 250) in a speed mismatch.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/eastwest2016practice2.php#g6kDo3CRVoI54szp.99

A few small-school defensive linemen stood out with impressive play in the one-on-ones and team drills. They were Manitoba's Ebuka Onyemata and Montana defensive end Tyrone Holmes. Each had wins where they showed speed and strength to fight off blockers.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/eastwest2016practice4.php#4M71DWveqx8uygXB.99

I figured that Holmes' athleticism would show up well this week. He'll probably jump a couple of rounds at this point.

RunKC

01-23-2016, 08:37 AM

I just can't get down with Hackenburg. He just has horrible accuracy. I was watching his film and even when there was no rush he had struggles with ball placement.

Direckshun

01-23-2016, 02:27 PM

You always seem to draft a player from a remote North Western team.

Saccopoo

01-24-2016, 11:00 AM

You always seem to draft a player from a remote North Western team.

Tyrone Holmes?

He's legit.

Saccopoo

01-31-2016, 02:35 PM

Newly updated to reflect the post season college All-Star games.

The Franchise

01-31-2016, 03:02 PM

Holy smaller schools, Batman.

Saccopoo

01-31-2016, 03:38 PM

Holy smaller schools, Batman.

I thought the same thing, but these dudes can play. Hall and Braxton Miller went at each other this past week and Hall held his own. Haeg, before an undisclosed injury, was working over dudes. Holmes was beating everyone at the Shrine game.

Sometimes these guys just don't get the chance initially for whatever reason (Haeg was 230 as a senior in high school and no D1 guys offered, but as he grew to 310, I'm sure that they wished they did.)

Hall only got walk-on offers from MU and KU and didn't want to saddle his family with the bill, so he took the scholarship from Northern Iowa and blew up when they changed over to the press man scheme.

A lot of the five star guys were just super early maturers versus these small school guys who end up All-Americans when it's said and done.

These dudes can all ball though.

O.city

01-31-2016, 04:51 PM

Prescott will never play a down in the nfl

staylor26

01-31-2016, 05:26 PM

Prescott will never play a down in the nfl

This is pretty stupid. Even for you.

Saccopoo

01-31-2016, 06:23 PM

Prescott will never play a down in the nfl

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/wedding-crashers-wtf.gif

kccrow

01-31-2016, 08:23 PM

Saccopoo

01-31-2016, 09:24 PM

I don't dislike it Sac, just no way in hell Dorsey takes that many small-school prospects.

Of the prospects you do have, I'd say Hall and Haeg are the most likely to be drafted by KC as they best represent what the team has gone for at those positions.

I don't think Spruce will be very high up on KC's radar, but you never know. I just don't think he has enough speed to get separation in the NFL.

Wouldn't get too jacked on Holmes. The kid from Georgetown that I mocked last year, Alec May, had a nearly identical stat line, same build, and great burst off the edge. He didn't get drafted. He was a camp invite of the Lions and got cut.

As for DT in round 1, I think you can buy at a discount in round 2 and still get a high quality player in this draft. Either way, I wouldn't be terribly pissed off.

There is just something primal about Holmes. A caged ferocity if you will. And it's not like the Grizzlies haven't sent some guys to the next level in Zach Wagenmann and Kroy Biermann. And he plays long with power. There's some stuff there that translates. Easily worth a seventh IMO.

You might be right about the DT's this year. It's a strong group, but Johnson fits Dorsey's drafting philosophy and I don't see him being handcuffed in a contractual battle same as he did with Fisher and Ford. It will be interesting to see what's still available when the Chiefs pick. There is going to be a lot of guys who could be considered "BPA."

As far as Spruce goes, everyone keeps looking at him as seeing a white guy playing the wide receiver position and thinks that he's a slow dude who can't separate. Until you see him working guys over all game long. Guy can absolutely catch a football and he was absolutely blanketed all season with sub par QB play and still got over a 1000 yards. He's not a jet, but he's one of those guys who ends up with 10 receptions and 100 yards every single game.

O.city

02-01-2016, 02:13 AM

Prescott has Tim Tebow like accuracy. He fits into Reid's system of quarterback ing about as good as Sac does.

His stats in the sec are nice but aren't really predictive of nfl success

Saccopoo

02-01-2016, 03:08 AM

Prescott has Tim Tebow like accuracy. He fits into Reid's system of quarterback ing about as good as Sac does.

His stats in the sec are nice but aren't really predictive of nfl success

Passing:
2012: 62.1%, 194 yds, 4 TD, 0 Int
2013: 58.4%, 1,940 yds, 10 TD, 7 Int
2014: 61.6%, 3,449 yds, 27 TD, 11 Int
2015: 66.2%, 3,793 yds, 29 TD, 5 Int

Rushing:
2012: 32/118, 4 TD
2013: 134/829, 13 TD
2014: 210/986, 14 TD
2015: 160/588, 10 TD

After the 2014 season, I would have agreed that he needed a lot of work in the accuracy department. However, it looks like he put in the work as he was substantially better throwing the ball in 2015.

Oh, and remember Newton at the Combine throwing the ball? Hideous.

Prescott, at this stage, is better than either Newton or Tebow was in terms of a pocket passer. Is he perfect? No, but he's the type of guy who is going to put in the work and learning the system behind Smith with Reid is not a bad place to learn.

And I'd be balls in Reid's system.

KC native

02-01-2016, 09:17 AM

Passing:
2012: 62.1%, 194 yds, 4 TD, 0 Int
2013: 58.4%, 1,940 yds, 10 TD, 7 Int
2014: 61.6%, 3,449 yds, 27 TD, 11 Int
2015: 66.2%, 3,793 yds, 29 TD, 5 Int

Rushing:
2012: 32/118, 4 TD
2013: 134/829, 13 TD
2014: 210/986, 14 TD
2015: 160/588, 10 TD

After the 2014 season, I would have agreed that he needed a lot of work in the accuracy department. However, it looks like he put in the work as he was substantially better throwing the ball in 2015.

Oh, and remember Newton at the Combine throwing the ball? Hideous.

Prescott, at this stage, is better than either Newton or Tebow was in terms of a pocket passer. Is he perfect? No, but he's the type of guy who is going to put in the work and learning the system behind Smith with Reid is not a bad place to learn.

And I'd be balls in Reid's system.

LMAO

Prescott is no where close to being as good as Cam was.

Prescott will be a practice squad player for 2 years and then he'll be out of the NFL.

RunKC

02-01-2016, 09:29 AM

I think Dorsey is trying to lock Howard up right now bc he knows it's going to be hard to get Poe back with his contract demands.
I think he also wants him back bc there really aren't any good tackles in FA except Schwartz who will surely be re-signed or get a big contract that we can't offer.
I think OT could be our 1st round choice as much as everyone hates that, and believe me I want Will Fuller.

I see where you're going though.

As for Prescott, he might be a good choice bc I can see Andy going with Alex for at least 2 more years and our offense has a lot of spread principles in it.
I just don't think the kid is that great in the pocket. Sure he improved there, but guys like Kevin Hogan seem to be more polished.

Saccopoo

02-01-2016, 06:31 PM

LMAO

Prescott is no where close to being as good as Cam was.

Prescott will be a practice squad player for 2 years and then he'll be out of the NFL.

Speaking of such things, shouldn't you be attending to your "Travone Boykin is a legit NFL QB" thread?

Saccopoo

02-21-2016, 11:59 AM

I'm sitting here pondering upon the possibilities of a guy like Paxton Lynch falling to the Chiefs at 28. Wentz seems to be skyrocketing and Lynch could possibly drop because of it.

Do you go for the potential QBOTF versus a position of need like DT or RT or ILB or CB if they are suddenly there?

Because I think that there are going to be very solid options at OT, DT, ILB, S and CB when the Chiefs select - all positions where they are looking at FA issues (DT, S, CB) or performance issues (RT, ILB).

DT: Austin Johnson and Vernon Butler are both prototype for what Dorsey wants in the position
OT: Germain Ifedi, Jack Conklin and Shon Coleman look to be excellent options for a 70% type player at RT
ILB: One of the top players could/should be there when the Chiefs pick - Reggie Ragland, Jaylon Smith (drop due to injury) or they could even reach a bit on a guy like Kentrell Brothers (wouldn't be the first reach for a Missouri player and if Brothers works out as well as Morse has, well...)

I think that they will be able to get a pretty damn good player at a position of need at 28, but they also have the chance at getting a guy like Lynch as well.

Tribal Warfare

02-21-2016, 12:10 PM

Saccopoo

02-21-2016, 12:16 PM

Always go for a potentially elite QBOTF if you have the chance

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It's like watching a 3" taller Alex Smith with a much bigger arm at the same stage. (And if you never saw Smith in college, he was absolutely fucking balls. Guy absolutely tore the shit out of defenses.)

Lynch would be fucking insane in this system.

Saccopoo

02-21-2016, 12:17 PM

Goddammit! And here I was ready to happily accept a DT or OT.

I WANT LYNCH!!!!

jonzie04

02-21-2016, 12:30 PM

Saccopoo

02-21-2016, 12:39 PM

That would be crazy if Lynch made it all the way to 28. I don't see that happening though.
I'm beginning to Wonder about Nkemdiche though. I could see him being our Marcus Peters this year. Well either that or another Randy Gregory for somebody else.

It might.

I predict Hackenberg starts really climbing. Dude has all the tools and was really hamstrung the past two years. I wouldn't be shocked if O'Brien gives him the green light and Houston pulls the trigger on him in the first.

If that happens, I think that there is a real chance Lynch could be there with the Chiefs pick. Then, at that point, it really comes down to Dorsey and the Decision Lens print out. Would Lynch get higher value rating than a DT or OT, especially considering that Smith is only 31 and is coming off his best season as a pro?

jonzie04

02-21-2016, 12:53 PM

It might.

I predict Hackenberg starts really climbing. Dude has all the tools and was really hamstrung the past two years. I wouldn't be shocked if O'Brien gives him the green light and Houston pulls the trigger on him in the first.

If that happens, I think that there is a real chance Lynch could be there with the Chiefs pick. Then, at that point, it really comes down to Dorsey and the Decision Lens print out. Would Lynch get higher value rating than a DT or OT, especially considering that Smith is only 31 and is coming off his best season as a pro?

Didn't think about the Hackenberg/O'Brien connection, thats a valid point. I do think that the Texans are one of only a few teams that really HAVE to draft a QB, but there are just so many wildcard teams like the Eagles, Cowboys, Chargers, Dolphins, Bears, Saints, Rams, Jets etc. I would love to see it happen though.

Saccopoo

02-23-2016, 12:25 PM

Newly updated for pre combine preferences.

The Franchise

02-23-2016, 12:33 PM

I'm down.

RunKC

02-23-2016, 12:42 PM

Sharp won't make it past round 3 IMO.

Saccopoo

02-23-2016, 12:47 PM

Sharp won't make it past round 3 IMO.

Probably not.

And Killebrew and Haeg might not make it past round two. But we are pre-combine drafting right now.

Don't piss all over my dream draft.

Saccopoo

03-05-2016, 12:46 AM

Newly updated to reflect post Combine player status.

Mr_Tomahawk

03-05-2016, 08:14 AM

Yes.

I'll take this all day.

chiefscafan

03-05-2016, 10:41 AM

My question is can Tyrone Holmes play in a 3-4 at DE looks like he's lining up in a 4-3

Saccopoo

03-05-2016, 11:44 AM

My question is can Tyrone Holmes play in a 3-4 at DE looks like he's lining up in a 4-3

I'm mocking him as a 34 OLB. He's got excellent length and great initial burst off the snap. Tenacious as hell. Uses his length, strength and hands exceptionally well. He impresses the shit out of me.

RunKC

03-05-2016, 06:36 PM

Paxton Lynch won't come anywhere close to 28. It's a pipe dream.

kccrow

03-05-2016, 08:55 PM

Paxton Lynch won't come anywhere close to 28. It's a pipe dream.

Pipe dream is being nice.

Mr_Tomahawk

03-05-2016, 10:00 PM

Meh...Geno Smith fell out of the 1st Rnd....

That would've been a pipe dream too if someone would have proposed that scenario before the draft.

Lynch can drop to us.

SAUTO

03-05-2016, 10:31 PM

Paxton Lynch won't come anywhere close to 28. It's a pipe dream.

But a very exciting one

SAUTO

03-05-2016, 10:32 PM

After 6 games last year winning a playoff game was a pipe dream too...

kccrow

03-06-2016, 12:05 AM

Meh...Geno Smith fell out of the 1st Rnd....

That would've been a pipe dream too if someone would have proposed that scenario before the draft.

Lynch can drop to us.

Smith fell because, from all reports, he was terrible in team interviews and such during the evaluation process.

Saccopoo

03-06-2016, 12:12 AM

Paxton Lynch won't come anywhere close to 28. It's a pipe dream.

Guy has never played under center and is going to require a re-work of what he knows about the position.

Teams drafting for QB need could look at guys like Hackenberg and Cook, both of whom have worked in pro style sets, before they look at Lynch.

While it's a little far fetched, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Paxton drops to the bottom of the first round. Remember the Aaron Rogers fall.

Mr_Tomahawk

03-06-2016, 06:07 PM

Smith fell because, from all reports, he was terrible in team interviews and such during the evaluation process.

And his medical exam at the combine is dropping his stock.

The combine did not help Lynch...rather confirmed his measurables

Saccopoo

03-06-2016, 07:25 PM

And his medical exam at the combine is dropping his stock.

The combine did not help Lynch...rather confirmed his measurables

I guess he had a bone chip floating around from the broken clavical he suffered his sophomore year. Wasn't an issue for him physically and it's completely healed, but teams brought it up.

There's a chance Tomahawk. There's a chance.

Mr_Tomahawk

03-06-2016, 07:47 PM

QB PAXTON LYNCH
MEMPHIS

59: R2P28
WR JOSH DOCTSON
TCU

91: R3P28
G REES ODHIAMBO
BOISE STATE

127: R4P28
TE TYLER HIGBEE
WESTERN KENTUCKY

162: R5P23
OLB JOSH FORREST
KENTUCKY

165: R5P26
CB ANTHONY BROWN
PURDUE

206: R6P28
CB KEVIN PETERSON
OKLAHOMA STATE

247: R7P28
DT DAVID DEAN
VIRGINIA

Tribal Warfare

03-06-2016, 11:52 PM

kccrow

03-07-2016, 12:58 AM

Mixed Feedback (http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php)

Teams say Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch is very far behind from an x's-and-o's perspective. Teams like his skill set and athletic upside, and they don't think he's a bad kid. But he hasn't been taught much from a NFL scheme perspective coming from his college spread system. Sources felt that Lynch was behind the other early-round quarterbacks from an x's-and-o's standpoint.

You can teach x's and o's and let him sit a year. You can't teach his skill set. Lack of exposure doesn't mean he can't learn. Teams aren't going to pass on the kid because he needs to learn an NFL playbook.

Saccopoo

03-07-2016, 09:06 PM

You can teach x's and o's and let him sit a year. You can't teach his skill set. Lack of exposure doesn't mean he can't learn. Teams aren't going to pass on the kid because he needs to learn an NFL playbook.

Through the fucking roof!

However, teams looking for a guy who can come in as a rookie and provide immediate improvement aren't probably looking at Lynch as much as they would, say, Cook or Hackenberg in the top of the second, Hogan in the mids, etc.

He's going to require a lot of reps with the second team, film study, etc.

That's something the Chiefs have the luxury of, but with teams like Cleveland, etc., they need a guy who can step in and contribute as a rookie.

It's one of the reasons why Wentz has catapulted up the boards - because NDSU runs a pro style set. Yes, it's an FCS school, but he knows what pro teams want.

There is a serious chance that Lynch is there with the Chiefs pick.

kccrow

03-07-2016, 09:28 PM

I'd think the Eagles and Jets will be very serious players for Lynch.

The Eagles only signed Bradford for two years and they just traded away DeMarco Murray to the Titans and Byron Maxwell and Kiko Alonso to the Dolphins. It's a fire sale over there and one has to think that roster is going to get turned over heavily. I'd be willing to bet they look for a long-term answer at QB with Bradford being a temporary placeholder.

As for the Jets, there is little confidence in Geno Smith anymore and Ryan Fitzpatrick, should he be retained, isn't the long-term answer there. If I'm a betting man, I'd look for Fitzpatrick to be brought back on a short-term deal as the starter until they can groom a proper replacement.

kccrow

03-07-2016, 09:29 PM

I'd also add the Rams, with Nick Foles' void year coming up in 2017. They could be on the hunt for a long-term replacement.

Saccopoo

03-07-2016, 09:56 PM

The likelihood that he's gone is significant. However, there is a chance that he's there.

However, it's not a left tackle rich draft and guys like Spriggs will move up and same with the pass rushers. As you stated, Ogbah's Combine performance has most likely moved him up into the early 20's.

And for a team who needs a QB to come in and contribute early, Cook is a better choice. He's douchey, but he's also won a ton out of a pro style system.

And Derrick Henry will be enticing to teams, especially after the Combine.

Rams released Lauranitis with absolutely nothing else at ILB on the roster.

It's a possibility.

O.city

03-07-2016, 10:11 PM

Corey Coleman os growing on me alot

Saccopoo

03-07-2016, 10:15 PM

Corey Coleman os growing on me alot

With our first rounder?

Isn't he coming off an injury?

The Franchise

03-10-2016, 10:00 AM

When are you going to update this again?

staylor26

03-10-2016, 10:34 AM

When are you going to update this again?

When he does it's going to be sad that there's no 3rd rounder.

:(

Saccopoo

03-10-2016, 06:23 PM

When are you going to update this again?

After the Pro Days.

Mr. Laz

03-14-2016, 08:56 PM

loss of Sean Smith
No 3rd rounder
strongest DL draft in recent history

You have to think that CB/DL are going to be our picks in the beginning 2 rounds.

kccrow

03-15-2016, 07:34 AM

CleveSteve

03-15-2016, 08:03 AM

Strongest Wide Receiver draft in at least a decade and Dorsey takes 0.
Second Strongest Wide Receiver draft in at least a decade, piggy-backing the best one, and Dorsey takes 1 in Round 3.

Don't be so sure the Chiefs take a defensive lineman early.

Farmer one-upped him in those drafts... None in '14, One in '15 in the 4th round that didn't even make final cuts.

Tribal Warfare

03-23-2016, 10:25 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000646353/article/montana-prospect-reminds-vikings-coach-of-everson-griffin

Defensive end Tyrone Holmes -- 6-foot-2 1/4, 253 pounds -- ran the 40-yard dash in 4.6 seconds on both attempts. He had a 37 1/2-inch vertical jump and 9-foot-5 broad jump. He did the 20-yard short shuttle in 4.28 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.1 seconds. He had 28 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press.

CleveSteve

03-23-2016, 10:54 PM

Mr. Laz

04-20-2016, 11:48 AM

Strongest Wide Receiver draft in at least a decade and Dorsey takes 0.
Second Strongest Wide Receiver draft in at least a decade, piggy-backing the best one, and Dorsey takes 1 in Round 3.

Don't be so sure the Chiefs take a defensive lineman early.
That's more about Dorsey and the WR position than it's Dorsey ignoring strength of a draft position. imo.

Dorsey is old school ... Defense wins with athletes, Offense wins with scheme

I think Dorsey will always lean towards drafting defense higher than offense.

Couch-Potato

04-27-2016, 07:14 AM

Sacapoo, how do you feel about your draft at this point? Any changes you would make? ...I think Haeg has risen a bit since you put this out.

I believe this is my favorite mock this offseason.