We've scored more points than the 5-0 Broncos

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

117-113

In fact we lead our division in points scored

Gee, our Defense has given up twice as many points. 143-79

Alex Smith Sucks !

[notorious]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dY5Smi_Rqd8/UYQN4xoUVjI/AAAAAAAALpE/NHXAr9OfiuA/s1600/diving-board-fail.gif

[TEX]

Also gave up tons more and have blown more leads...

[Red Dawg]

They are better at hiding their QB problems and haven't played a really good team yet. Best one they played was Vikes and should have lost.

[TEX]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dY5Smi_Rqd8/UYQN4xoUVjI/AAAAAAAALpE/NHXAr9OfiuA/s1600/diving-board-fail.gif

ROFL

[kcjayhawks5]

Alex good. Peyton bad. Alex good. Peyton bad. Alex good. Peyton bad.

[jd1020]

Alex > Peyton. Confirmed.

[Red Dawg]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dY5Smi_Rqd8/UYQN4xoUVjI/AAAAAAAALpE/NHXAr9OfiuA/s1600/diving-board-fail.gif

OMG, get the hell outta here with this.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dY5Smi_Rqd8/UYQN4xoUVjI/AAAAAAAALpE/NHXAr9OfiuA/s1600/diving-board-fail.gif

Pretty much sums it up :clap:

[manchambo]

In all seriousness, Denver would be better with Alex Smith right now. The defense is just that good.

[loochy]

Alex Smith Sucks !

I'm glad you agree.

[rabblerouser]

117-113

In fact we lead our division in points scored

Gee, our Defense has given up twice as many points. 143-79

Alex Smith Sucks !

All those 95 second 3 and outs can really fuck up a Defense's mojo.

[BlackHelicopters]

Alex will lead us to Santa Clara.

[Reerun_KC]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EIZYj9wrtrM/VHPXS5JhGMI/AAAAAAAA5TE/_KPjWLKqES0/s1600/3pointer.gif (http://failgif.com/)

[Reerun_KC]

OMG, get the hell outta here with this.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k_NKHgmpCj4/VHPXUOj5lAI/AAAAAAAA5TI/TijrAwm9se8/s1600/SkateboardReport.gif (http://failgif.com/)

[DaFace]

Well, yeah. The Broncos offense has looked awful this year. Unfortunately for us, their defense has looked spectacular.

[the Talking Can]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dY5Smi_Rqd8/UYQN4xoUVjI/AAAAAAAALpE/NHXAr9OfiuA/s1600/diving-board-fail.gif

pretty much sums up the last 30 years of chiefs fans talking about QBs....

[Baby Lee]

Well their defense doesn't have to deal with the severe mental strain of an average quarterback on their team. That's gotta be worth, what, 10-15 points a game?

[Baby Lee]

Well, yeah. The Broncos offense has looked awful this year. Unfortunately for us, their defense has looked spectacular.

Sounds like a certain recipe for disaster.

[notorious]

Average?

[Baby Lee]

Average?

By which of course I mean Terry Schiavo.

Fucking losers.

[Baby Lee]

All those 95 second 3 and outs can really fuck up a Defense's mojo.

Manning put up 3/7 of Alex's disgusting FG output against the lowly Raiders.

[Bugeater]

How many of those 117 has our defense scored?

[Dave Lane]

By which of course I mean Terry Schiavo.

Fucking losers.

Dude stop talking about yourself like that!! We are glad you have taken the pledge that ALL of the Chiefs faults are on Alex Smith but you don't have to keep rubbing it in... we know.

[BandwagonChiefsFan]

Peyton Manning isn't afraid to throw to his receivers or beyond the first down marker.

[Reerun_KC]

Well their defense doesn't have to deal with the severe mental strain of an average quarterback on their team. That's gotta be worth, what, 10-15 points a game?

I don't see the Broncos calling -4 yard passes from 1st and goal from the 2... Don't blame Smith for the atrocious game plans and mgmt, when the fat guy has a history of stupid as far back as Moses parting the Red Sea...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Hell xztop scores more than the Broncos

[Red Dawg]

I don't see the Broncos calling -4 yard passes from 1st and goal from the 2... Don't blame Smith for the atrocious game plans and mgmt, when the fat guy has a history of stupid as far back as Moses parting the Red Sea...

No he doesn't. You don't have proof he's that old.

[rabblerouser]

Manning put up 3/7 of Alex's disgusting FG output against the lowly Raiders.

How many 3 and outs does Manning have vs. Smiff??

Quit making excuses for a couple of fucking millionaires who don't do their jobs correctly.

I don't see the Broncos calling -4 yard passes from 1st and goal from the 2... Don't blame Smith for the atrocious game plans and mgmt, when the fat guy has a history of stupid as far back as Moses parting the Red Sea...

YUP.


No he doesn't. You don't have proof he's that old.

Busted

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

How many of those 117 has our defense scored?

I guess after yesterday 14

How many of Denvers 113 has their Defense scored ?

[Eleazar]

Bambi thinks this means we are better than the Broncos

[Baby Lee]

Bambi thinks this means we are better than the Broncos

The irony is, for all our wailing about our QB draft history.

Elway was drafted same time as Our last 1st round pick. Since then they've had 2 years of Cutler and 1 year of Tim Fucking Tebow.

Difference is, they pick up a retread AND build a team around him.

We're nowhere near the Broncos, but that's because they built the way I have espoused instead of sucking/blowing/choding whatever for a string of try 'em and toss 'em high first round QBs.

[loochy]

117-113

In fact we lead our division in points scored

Gee, our Defense has given up twice as many points. 143-79

Alex Smith Sucks !

how many of those 117 points are "invisible" touchdowns?

[rabblerouser]

The irony is, for all our wailing about our QB draft history.

Elway was drafted same time as Our last 1st round pick. Since then they've had 2 years of Cutler and 1 year of Tim ****ing Tebow.

Difference is, they pick up a retread AND build a team around him.

We're nowhere near the Broncos, but that's because they built the way I have espoused instead of sucking/blowing/choding whatever for a string of try 'em and toss 'em high first round QBs.

They TRADED for Elway, first off.

Baltimore took him and Elway laughed and said he would never play for their franchise, so they traded him to Denver.

This was also in 1983 :

Ken OBrien
Marino
Kelly
Eason
Blackledge

Were all 1st rounders that year.

2013 was not the same caliber of QB class.

Denver also started :
Brian Greise
Bubby Brister
And
Jake Plummer

In the post Elway years.

Point is...

They've taken LOTS of QBs with their first round picks. Some panned out (Elway, Cutler), some didn't (Tebow, Tommy Maddox)
...but they keep trying.

[ClevelandBronco]

I guess this shit better not come down to tiebreakers.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Bambi thinks this means we are better than the Broncos

ROFL and that Von Miller and Demarcus Ware are scrubs without those beaker corners.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Defense wins championships.

[loochy]

Defense wins championships.

Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

[ClevelandBronco]

Defense wins championships.

Not when it works with an offense that scores nine against Oakland. (And three of them are because of a strip sack fumble that gave the offense the ball in the red zone.)

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Defense wins championships.

Hi blackbob

[Eleazar]

The irony is, for all our wailing about our QB draft history.

Elway was drafted same time as Our last 1st round pick. Since then they've had 2 years of Cutler and 1 year of Tim Fucking Tebow.

Difference is, they pick up a retread AND build a team around him.

We're nowhere near the Broncos, but that's because they built the way I have espoused instead of sucking/blowing/choding whatever for a string of try 'em and toss 'em high first round QBs.

I know, but the orthodoxy on CP is that you pick a QB no matter who he is, Geno at 1.1, whoever, no matter what the merits of the players available or the position you are in.

[Mile High Mania]

I guess it all depends on which side of the coin you want to support to get where you think you want to be at the end of a season.

The default is "balance", we want a balanced sense of badassery between the offense and defense. Very few teams have this consistently.

I've seen badass offenses get shamed when it matters most because the defense wasn't up for the challenge. We've also seen badass defense carry teams to great heights, despite the challenges they have offensively.

Denver's special teams is better than average, their defense has been pretty damn stellar all year and offense... that's been a stinky bag of puke. Play like that against some of the tough teams coming up and it's over.

In the past, I've been told "points matter from a team perspective". Remember when special teams and defense were doing all that for KC... it didn't matter who put the points up, as long as they were put up.

So, I have to support that line of thinking now. I and say "have to", because I'd prefer to see big offense with this amazing defense.

They're 5-0 and have 11 games left to improve things, but I'm not sure what to really expect because they may just very well be what we see right now.

Packers, Patriots, Bengals (combined 14-0) are all big games and they're all in Denver (enter conspiracy theories here).

Browns, Colts, Bears, Steelers, Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers twice (combined 14-19) ... yes, those 7 teams (8 games) account for the same win totals as the other 3. Crazy.

At this point, I'd say that Denver would lose all 3 of those big games... and likely goes 5-3 against the others, making them a loose 10-6.

Denver has a lot to prove, they're a shaky at best 5-0.

[Reerun_KC]

I know, but the orthodoxy on CP is that you pick a QB no matter who he is, Geno at 1.1, whoever, no matter what the merits of the players available or the position you are in.

ROFL

That's funny.... Its kinda like the CP guys that swear you have to draft RG's in the 1st round no matter what or what player is available...

Did you know zebras have stripes?

[Eleazar]

ROFL

That's funny.... Its kinda like the CP guys that swear you have to draft RG's in the 1st round no matter what or what player is available...

Did you know zebras have stripes?

What posters are those?

[Baby Lee]

They TRADED for Elway, first off.

Baltimore took him and Elway laughed and said he would never play for their franchise, so they traded him to Denver.

This was also in 1983 :

Ken OBrien
Marino
Kelly
Eason
Blackledge

Were all 1st rounders that year.

2013 was not the same caliber of QB class.

Denver also started :
Brian Greise
Bubby Brister
And
Jake Plummer

In the post Elway years.

Point is...

They've taken LOTS of QBs with their first round picks. Some panned out (Elway, Cutler), some didn't (Tebow, Tommy Maddox)
...but they keep trying.

I KNOW all of that. No need to pedantically recount the entire Elway saga every time his landing in Denver comes up.

And they don't 'keep trying.' They took an occasional flier when the choice was there. But they relied on trading for Elway, Plummer, and Manning for the overwhelming bulk of their history in the past 30 years. More importantly, they concentrated on building a team, not chasing a position. They're the Chiefs, or at least more Chiefs than Browns or Lions, with good decisionmaking, and from here that looks like a good 7 SB appearance difference.

[suzzer99]

I know, but the orthodoxy on CP is that you pick a QB no matter who he is, Geno at 1.1, whoever, no matter what the merits of the players available or the position you are in.

Yeah a while back I went back and looked at who we possibly could have taken or traded up for in recent drafts. It's not pretty, although Dalton is looking a lot better now. Odds of hitting on a 1st rd QB seem to be about 10%. I'll look at 2013-2015 too.

Going back to 2000, here's the next QB that was taken after the Chiefs drafted. I think this is a much more fair measure than just picking the best QB in hindsight. I mean I know you're all brilliant GMs who definitely wanted Freeman over Sanchez at the time, but let's stick to what NFL GMs who actually spent approx. infitily more time analyzing the players came up with. I also listed the QBs we could have potentially traded up for, and the ones who were out of reach.

2012 1.11 Dontari Poe NT Memphis
Next QB: 1.22 Brandon Weeden
Prev QBs (we could have possibly traded up for): 1.8 Ryan Tannehill, 1.2 RGII (if we give away the farm)
Out of reach: 1.1 Luck

2011 1.26 Jonathan Baldwin WR Pittsburgh
Next QB: 2.35 Andy Dalton
Prev possible QBs: 1.8 Jake Locker, 1.10 Blaine Gabbert, 1.12 Christian Ponder (any of those would have probably cost a 2012 #1, also barf)
Out of reach: 1.1 Cam Newton

2010 1.5 Eric Berry SS Tennessee
Next QB: 1.25 Tim Tebow
(ok I'll grant McDaniels is insane, next QB after that? 2.48 Jimmy Clausen)
Prev possible QBs: None
Out of reach: 1.1 Bradford

2009 1.3 Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State
Next QB: 1.5 Mark Sanchez (Freeman after that)
Prev possible QBs: None
Out of reach: 1.1 Stafford

2008 1.5 Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State
Next QB: none until we draft again
2008 1.15 Branden Albert T Virginia
Next QB: 1.18 Joe Flacco (considered a big reach by most, but yeah a very good argument for "reaching" for a QB)
Prev possible QBs: None
Out of reach: 1.3 Ryan

2007 1.23 Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State
Next QB: 2.36 Kevin Kolb
Prev possible QBs: 1.22 Brady Quinn
Out of reach: 1.1 JaWalrus (dammit!)

2006 1.20 Tamba Hali DE Penn State
Next QB: 2.49 Kellen Clemens
Prev possible QBs: 1.10 Matt Leinart, 1.11 Jay Cutler
Out of reach: 1.3 Vince Young

2005 1.15 Derrick Johnson LB Texas
Next QB: 1.24 Aaron Rodgers
Prev possible QBs: None
Out of reach: 1.1 Alex Smith

2004 2.36 Junior Siavii
Next QB: 3.90 Matt Schaub (damn)
Prev possible QBs: 1.22 JP Lossman, 1.11 Big Rape (maybe if we trade a #1)
Out of reach: 1.1 Eli, 1.4 Rivers

2003 1.27 Larry Johnson RB Penn State
Next QB: 3.88 Dave Ragone
Prev possible QBs: 1.19 Kyle Boller, 1.22 Rex Grossman, 1.7 Byron Leftwich (maybe for a #1)
Out of reach: 1.1 Carson Palmer

2002 6 Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
Next QB: 1.32 Patrick Ramsey
Prev possible QBs: 1.3 Joey Harrington
Out of reach: 1.1 David Carr

2001 3.75 Eric Downing DT Syracuse
Next QB: 4.106 Chris Wienkie
Prev possible QBs: 2.1 Drew Brees, 2.53 Quincy Carter, 2.59 Marques Tuiasosopo (guessing not drafted as QB?)
Out of reach: 1.1 Michael Vick,

2000 1.21 Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State
Next QB: 3.65 Giovanni Carmazzi
Prev possible QBs: 1.18 Chad Pennington (I'm sure everyone here was screaming for Tom Brady at 6.199)
Out of reach: None


All in all there's a lot of crap out there. I'm not saying I'm happy with the Chiefs by any means. But I think it's easy to cherry pick the spots like Flacco, Rodgers, Freeman and Brees, and forget about all the ones we dodged like butt-fumble, Jafatass, Young, Quinn, Jason Campbell, Clausen, etc. or all the years there just wasn't crap to pick from (like many are predicting for this year).

[Baby Lee]

All in all there's a lot of crap out there. I'm not saying I'm happy with the Chiefs by any means. But I think it's easy to cherry pick the spots like Flacco, Rodgers, Freeman and Brees, and forget about all the ones we dodged like butt-fumble, Jafatass, Young, Quinn, Jason Campbell, Clausen, etc. or all the years there just wasn't crap to pick from (like many are predicting for this year).

But they would have TRIED!!!

[BWillie]

When you win games, and have a good defense, you don't necessarily try to score 30 a game.

[Baby Lee]

When you win games, and have a good defense, you don't necessarily try to score 30 a game.

When you have the lead and need one more defensive stop in the last minute of a game, the crucial determinant is if your QB is a cool guy.

[Bewbies]

I know, but the orthodoxy on CP is that you pick a QB no matter who he is, Geno at 1.1, whoever, no matter what the merits of the players available or the position you are in.

Which is the better pick at 1.1 - a QB who can't play, or a LT who can't play?

[suzzer99]

2013 1.1 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
Next QB: 1.16 EJ Manuel
Prev QBs (we could have possibly traded up for): none
Out of reach: none
LOL: 2.39 Geno Smith

2014 1.23 Dee Ford LB Aubrun
Next QBs: 1.32 Teddy Bridgewater, 1.36 Derek Carr
Prev QBs (we could have possibly traded up for): Johnny Manziel
Out of reach: 1.3 Blake Bortles

2015 1.18 Marcus Peters CB Washington
Next QBs: 3.75 Garrett Grayson
Prev QBs (we could have possibly traded up for): none
Out of reach: 1.1 Jameis Winston, 1.2 Marcus Mariota

So yeah, in hindsight 2014 would have been a good year to take a flyer on Bridgewater or Carr. The problem is Smith had just come off a great playoff performance. There was no reason for the Chiefs to think he was going to be this bad (yes I know CP all knew it).

[listopencil]

Not when it works with an offense that scores nine against Oakland. (And three of them are because of a strip sack fumble that gave the offense the ball in the red zone.)

Our Defense outscored our own Offense. Give the D credit for a pick six and the point after, and give them credit for setting up that field goal. So it's Offense= 6 and Defense= 10.

[listopencil]

Now that I think about it, one of those field goals was a 52 yard attempt at sea level. How much credit goes to the Special Teams for that? You could argue it's Broncos D= 10 points, Broncos Special Teams= 3 points, Broncos O= 3 points.

[ping2000]

Everyone sucks. The Chiefs are an equal opportunity suck franchise. Plenty of suck to go around. Suck.

[ThaVirus]

Difference is, they pick up a retread AND build a team around him.


We did, though.

We've got much the same squad as we did last season with very few downgrades (if any) and several upgrades.

These guys are just being assholes and playing some seriously uninspired football right now.

[rabblerouser]

2013 1.1 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
Next QB: 1.16 EJ Manuel
Prev QBs (we could have possibly traded up for): none
Out of reach: none
LOL: 2.39 Geno Smith

2014 1.23 Dee Ford LB Aubrun
Next QBs: 1.32 Teddy Bridgewater, 1.36 Derek Carr
Prev QBs (we could have possibly traded up for): Johnny Manziel
Out of reach: 1.3 Blake Bortles

2015 1.18 Marcus Peters CB Washington
Next QBs: 3.75 Garrett Grayson
Prev QBs (we could have possibly traded up for): none
Out of reach: 1.1 Jameis Winston, 1.2 Marcus Mariota

So yeah, in hindsight 2014 would have been a good year to take a flyer on Bridgewater or Carr. The problem is Smith had just come off a great playoff performance. There was no reason for the Chiefs to think he was going to be this bad (yes I know CP all knew it).

I, for one, never thought he would fall off a cliff like this.

I thought he was ascending at the end of 2013...

[Sandy Vagina]

Well, yeah. The Broncos offense has looked awful this year. Unfortunately for us, their defense has looked spectacular.

This the same Broncos offense that put together a 2 minute TD drive to beat us this year?

Can our defense stop... anyone? couldn't stop what's left of Manning.. couldn't stop Cutler?!? throwing to scrub wideouts?

:shake:

[rabblerouser]

This the same Broncos offense that put together a 2 minute TD drive to beat us this year?


EXACTLY.

Does it even make sense to you??

We were DRUBBING the Broncos, and then it was like someone flipped the script on the entire season.

Try to explain it.

[listopencil]

This the same Broncos offense that put together a 2 minute TD drive to beat us this year?


:shake:

The Broncos O has the pieces in place to be effective they just aren't playing well enough to do it. So they're like a sputtering car that can suddenly run well situationally, well enough to score on anyone.

[Rasputin]

If a person can watch a game and then say that Alex Smith is any good then they need their football credentials revoked. & fuck off.

[Mile High Mania]

EXACTLY.

Does it even make sense to you??

We were DRUBBING the Broncos, and then it was like someone flipped the script on the entire season.

Try to explain it.

What's the definition of drubbing?

KC did have a 14-0 lead after that pick 6 in the 2nd quarter, but it was tied at 14 at halftime. Both teams scored FGs in the first 27 minutes of the 2nd half.

KC scores with less than 3 minutes in the game to take a 7 point lead. And, then Denver returns serve with a great 2 minute drill to tie it at 24.

Then, that nicely timed strip fumble for the TD wins it with less than a minute.

The game was tied at the half and with 3 minutes left in the game...

Denver owned the advantage in 1st downs, sacks, creating turnovers, 3rd down conversions (off and def), time of possession.

Charles was beasting at RB, I'll give ya that... but it's not like KC was up by 7 for any longer than 2 minutes in the second half. Weird.

The game should have gone to OT, but Charles happened.

Again, what is the definition of drubbing?

[notorious]

It was a drubbing at 14-0 until Flemming dropped an INT that hit him in the chest.


As Chiefs fans, we are the masters of "What If"


What if Fleming catches the ball for an INT at Denver's 30? 14-0, ball near the redzone..........

[Dave Lane]

It was a drubbing at 14-0 until Flemming dropped an INT that hit him in the chest.


As Chiefs fans, we are the masters of "What If"


What if Fleming catches the ball for an INT at Denver's 30? 14-0, ball near the redzone..........

17-0

[Mile High Mania]

It was a drubbing at 14-0 until Flemming dropped an INT that hit him in the chest.


As Chiefs fans, we are the masters of "What If"


What if Fleming catches the ball for an INT at Denver's 30? 14-0, ball near the redzone..........

Ahhh... ok. It was a drubbing at 14-0 that didn't last two series. Manning scores on that very next series after the pick 6 and then right after that, Talib takes his own pick 6 to the house.

Drubbing.

http://www.allaboutthetea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/3GL-you-keep-using-that-word-but-i-don-t-think-you-know-what-it-means.jpg

[notorious]

Ahhh... ok. It was a drubbing at 14-0 that didn't last two series. Manning scores on that very next series after the pick 6 and then right after that, Talib takes his own pick 6 to the house.

Drubbing.

Well, it was domination up to that point. If Fleming catches an easy pick (the drive that Denver scores a TD) the game is probably 17-0 to 21-0 and Manning is wilting. Denver had something like one 1st down, a pick-6, and been sacked several times up to the Fleming drop.


Drubbing, domination, whatever.

Denver won thanks to 5 turnovers (earned) and a colossal failure at coach. It's all history anyway. Your players executed and the Chiefs didn't.

[Mile High Mania]

Well, it was domination up to that point. If Fleming catches an easy pick (the drive that Denver scores a TD) the game is probably 17-0 to 21-0 and Manning is wilting. Denver had something like one 1st down, a pick-6, and been sacked several times up to the Fleming drop.


Drubbing, domination, whatever.

Denver won thanks to 5 turnovers (earned) and a colossal failure at coach. It's all history anyway.

OK, if there was no pick 6... see how this works?

[OctoberFart]

Well both teams were supposed to have great D's this year. Only 1 of the 2 has a great D and I'll let you guys take a guess which one that is.

[notorious]

OK, if there was no pick 6... see how this works?

"Up to that point"

See how this works?

[Mile High Mania]

Well both teams were supposed to have great D's this year. Only 1 of the 2 has a great D and I'll let you guys take a guess which one that is.

I like what OAK is doing on offense, they have a couple of strong playmakers.

[Mile High Mania]

"Up to that point"

See how this works?

If you follow that series of drives... hard to refer to it as a 'drubbing up to that point'. But, whatever.

[rabblerouser]

Ahhh... ok. It was a drubbing at 14-0 that didn't last two series. Manning scores on that very next series after the pick 6 and then right after that, Talib takes his own pick 6 to the house.

Drubbing.

http://www.allaboutthetea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/3GL-you-keep-using-that-word-but-i-don-t-think-you-know-what-it-means.jpg

He's right though; they looked like they couldn't play football anymore, they looked like they were ready to be put out of their misery.

Hell, if Reid calls a run from 1st and GM at the 2, it would've been 21-0 when Fleming doesn't drop that INT, if we're playing that game...

Instead, we saved their season while they ruined ours.

[notorious]

If you follow that series of drives... hard to refer to it as a 'drubbing up to that point'. But, whatever.

(shakes head, walks out of room)

[Mile High Mania]

He's right though; they looked like they couldn't play football anymore, they looked like they were ready to be put out of their misery.

Hell, if Reid calls a run from 1st and GM at the 2, it would've been 21-0 when Fleming doesn't drop that INT, if we're playing that game...

The problem is that you can't play the game of "ifs" and have any quality sports debate. The reality is, there were 4 series in a row where the 'drubbing' started and then was ended.

[DaFace]

The problem is that you can't play the game of "ifs" and have any quality sports debate. The reality is, there were 4 series in a row where the 'drubbing' started and then was ended.

OK, let's put it this way: it was a drubbing until Manning told Kubiak to shove his offense up his ass. As soon as Manning went back into the shotgun, the offense suddenly was able to move.

[rabblerouser]

The problem is that you can't play the game of "ifs" and have any quality sports debate. The reality is, there were 4 series in a row where the 'drubbing' started and then was ended.

Right. Andy Reid is a fat idiot. Alex Smith is broken.

It took Denver undressing us in front of our fans to start a freefall meltdown, yes I'm very much aware.

[Mile High Mania]

OK, let's put it this way: it was a drubbing until Manning told Kubiak to shove his offense up his ass. As soon as Manning went back into the shotgun, the offense suddenly was able to move.

Right. Andy Reid is a fat idiot. Alex Smith is broken.

It took Denver undressing us in front of our fans to start a freefall meltdown, yes I'm very much aware.

Ok, ok... I won't ruin the fantasy and let the imagery of a possible drubbing that lasted about 8 minutes and covered 4 drives live long in the memories. :D

I'm looking forward to the bye week... hopefully they can figure out how to put up some points when the Packers and Patriots visit.

[Buck]

You guys should have scored more points than them when you played them.

Also we will have the most points after tonight unless we score 4 or less.

[DaFace]

You guys should have scored more points than them when you played them.

Also we will have the most points after tonight unless we score 4 or less.

I think they should aim for 4 points on the money. A safety and a blocked XP return would be fun.

[Dave Lane]

I think they should aim for 4 points on the money. A safety and a blocked XP return would be fun.

Wouldn't that be 3?

[listopencil]

Wouldn't that be 3?

When Talib blocked a PAT for us, and someone (Roby?) was trying to return it, the announcers said it would have been worth two.

[Mile High Mania]

You guys should have scored more points than them when you played them.

Also we will have the most points after tonight unless we score 4 or less.

SD should be concerned about falling 3 back in the division... 2-3 start is not good especially with a trip to the Packers in two weeks.

Total points leader is over-rated, so I've always heard.

[listopencil]

You guys should have scored more points than them when you played them.

Also we will have the most points after tonight unless we score 4 or less.

Here, let me help you guys out with this stats thing:

The Denver Broncos are the only team in the AFC West with a net positive point differential.

[listopencil]

<table class="data-table1" summary="This table summarizes the NFL standings." border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="thd2" align="right"><td align="left">AFC West Team</td><td> W (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=OVERALL_WINS&order=desc&colSel=0) </td><td> L (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=OVERALL_LOSSES&order=desc&colSel=1) </td><td> T (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=OVERALL_TIES&order=desc&colSel=2) </td><td> http://i.nflcdn.com/static/site/7.2/img/red_arrow_down.gif Pct (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=OVERALL_WIN_PCT&order=asc&colSel=3) </td><td> PF (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=OVERALL_PTS_FOR&order=desc&colSel=4) </td><td> PA (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=OVERALL_PTS_AGAINST&order=desc&colSel=5) </td><td> Net Pts (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=OVERALL_NET_PTS&order=desc&colSel=6) </td><td> TD (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=TOUCHDOWNS&order=desc&colSel=7) </td><td> Home (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=HOME_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=8) </td><td> Road (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=ROAD_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=9) </td><td> Div (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=DIVISION_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=10) </td><td> Pct (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=DIVISION_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=11) </td><td> Conf (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=CONFERENCE_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=12) </td><td> Pct (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=CONFERENCE_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=13) </td><td> Non-Conf (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=NON_CONFERENCE_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=14) </td><td> Streak (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=STREAK_SORT&order=desc&colSel=15) </td><td> Last 5 (http://www.nfl.com/standings?sort=LAST_5_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=16) </td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> Denver Broncos (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=DEN) </td><td>5</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td class="sorted">1.000</td><td>113</td><td>79</td><td>34</td><td>11</td><td>2-0</td><td>3-0</td><td>2-0</td><td>1.000</td><td>3-0</td><td>1.000</td><td>2-0</td><td>5W</td><td>5-0</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> San Diego Chargers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=SD) </td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td class="sorted">.500</td><td>96</td><td>110</td><td>-14</td><td>11</td><td>2-0</td><td>0-2</td><td>0-0</td><td>.000</td><td>1-1</td><td>.500</td><td>1-1</td><td>1W</td><td>2-2</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> Oakland Raiders (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=OAK) </td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td class="sorted">.400</td><td>107</td><td>124</td><td>-17</td><td>12</td><td>1-2</td><td>1-1</td><td>0-1</td><td>.000</td><td>2-2</td><td>.500</td><td>0-1</td><td>2L</td><td>2-3</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=KC) </td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td class="sorted">.200</td><td>117</td><td>143</td><td>-26</td><td>12</td><td>0-2</td><td>1-2</td><td>0-1</td><td>.000</td><td>1-2</td><td>.333</td><td>0-2</td><td>4L</td><td>1-4</td></tr></tbody></table>

[DaFace]

Wouldn't that be 3?

Nope. It doesn't matter how the play starts - it's 2 points if you return it all the way on a try.

[Buck]

Here, let me help you guys out with this stats thing:

The Denver Broncos are the only team in the AFC West with a net positive point differential.


Let me help you out:

The Broncos have the most wins in the NFL

[listopencil]

Let me help you out:

The Broncos have the most wins in the NFL

Hey, I think you may be on to something here.

[scho63]

Alex will lead us to Santa Clara.

NO, NO, NO, NO KAEPERNICK!! :#

[OctoberFart]

I like what OAK is doing on offense, they have a couple of strong playmakers.

I tried telling the homers on here that Oakland is headed in the right direction. Got a good nucleus at QB, RB, WR, and Mack. These guys here actually think Mack is a bust.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I tried telling the homers on here that Oakland is headed in the right direction. Got a good nucleus at QB, RB, WR, and Mack. These guys here actually think Mack is a bust.

Although you're a friggin asshole you are correct that the Raiders are giving their fans hope.

In the end though , the Chiefs will most likely finish 8-8 and the Raiders 6-10 and Carr will turn into the next Sanchez and be a duplicate of his brother who ultimately sucked.

[FML]

I hate Alex. And Andy.

[Quesadilla Joe]

They are better at hiding their QB problems and haven't played a really good team yet. Best one they played was Vikes and should have lost.

We never trailed against the Vikings. We actually should've blown them out and had a chance to go up 20-3 at the end of the first half but turned the ball over.

[New World Order]

Broncos offense is a dumpster fire.

[GloucesterChief]

Broncos are the 2013 Chiefs. Living off of defensive turnovers. When those dry up, expect loses.

[Garcia Bronco]

Broncos are the 2013 Chiefs. Living off of defensive turnovers. When those dry up, expect loses.

yep... it's coming. Maybe next week. But what the team is doing now is amazing... and on the road too. it's nuts.

[ClevelandBronco]

I hate Alex. And Andy.

How can a guy with these credentials be in the red?

[oaklandhater]

Although you're a friggin asshole you are correct that the Raiders are giving their fans hope.

In the end though , the Chiefs will most likely finish 8-8 and the Raiders 6-10 and Carr will turn into the next Sanchez and be a duplicate of his brother who ultimately sucked.

Because we look like an 8-8 team lmao in what world do we look like an 8-8 team


we would be 0-5 if the Texans started mallet

[suzzer99]

Our defense reminds me of the Herm days when they would always fade in the 4th Q because they have no stamina from his soft workouts.

[oaklandhater]

Our defense reminds me of the Herm days when they would always fade in the 4th Q because they have no stamina from his soft workouts.

Yep they look like they have poor conditioning

[listopencil]

Because we look like an 8-8 team lmao in what world do we look like an 8-8 team


we would be 0-5 if the Texans started mallet

Wasn't there a "call your shot" thread where everyone was supposed to pick the final record in a public poll?

[tk13]

Here, let me help you guys out with this stats thing:

The Denver Broncos are the only team in the AFC West with a net positive point differential.

This is ChiefsPlanet, where all the points count and the defenses don't matter. By ChiefsPlanet rules we're the best team in the AFC West. So suck it.

[listopencil]

Updated for the MNF game:

<table class="data-table1" summary="This table summarizes the NFL standings." border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="thd2" align="right"><td align="left">AFC West Team</td><td> W (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_WINS&order=desc&colSel=0) </td><td> L (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_LOSSES&order=desc&colSel=1) </td><td> T (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_TIES&order=desc&colSel=2) </td><td> Pct (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=3) </td><td> PF (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_PTS_FOR&order=desc&colSel=4) </td><td> PA (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_PTS_AGAINST&order=desc&colSel=5) </td><td> http://i.nflcdn.com/static/site/7.2/img/red_arrow_down.gif Net Pts (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_NET_PTS&order=asc&colSel=6) </td><td> TD (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=TOUCHDOWNS&order=desc&colSel=7) </td><td> Home (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=HOME_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=8) </td><td> Road (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=ROAD_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=9) </td><td> Div (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=DIVISION_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=10) </td><td> Pct (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=DIVISION_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=11) </td><td> Conf (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=CONFERENCE_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=12) </td><td> Pct (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=CONFERENCE_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=13) </td><td> Non-Conf (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=NON_CONFERENCE_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=14) </td><td> Streak (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=STREAK_SORT&order=desc&colSel=15) </td><td> Last 5 (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=LAST_5_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=16) </td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> Denver Broncos (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=DEN) </td><td>5</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.000</td><td>113</td><td>79</td><td class="sorted">34</td><td>11</td><td>2-0</td><td>3-0</td><td>2-0</td><td>1.000</td><td>3-0</td><td>1.000</td><td>2-0</td><td>5W</td><td>5-0</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> Oakland Raiders (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=OAK) </td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>.400</td><td>107</td><td>124</td><td class="sorted">-17</td><td>12</td><td>1-2</td><td>1-1</td><td>0-1</td><td>.000</td><td>2-2</td><td>.500</td><td>0-1</td><td>2L</td><td>2-3</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> San Diego Chargers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=SD) </td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>.400</td><td>116</td><td>134</td><td class="sorted">-18</td><td>11</td><td>2-1</td><td>0-2</td><td>0-0</td><td>.000</td><td>1-2</td><td>.333</td><td>1-1</td><td>1L</td><td>2-3</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=KC) </td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>.200</td><td>117</td><td>143</td><td class="sorted">-26</td><td>12</td><td>0-2</td><td>1-2</td><td>0-1</td><td>.000</td><td>1-2</td><td>.333</td><td>0-2</td><td>4L</td><td>1-4</td></tr></tbody></table>

[listopencil]

This is ChiefsPlanet, where all the points count and the defenses don't matter. By ChiefsPlanet rules we're the best team in the AFC West. So suck it.

Well, damn, the Chargers just pulled ahead of us. Fuck.

[suzzer99]

Yep they look like they have poor conditioning

Remember when Maclin kept pulling himself out of the game? If even your WRs are getting gassed - that's a bad sign.

[rabblerouser]

Remember when Maclin kept pulling himself out of the game? If even your WRs are getting gassed - that's a bad sign.

Yuppers.

[Buck]

Updated for the MNF game:

<table class="data-table1" summary="This table summarizes the NFL standings." border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="thd2" align="right"><td align="left">AFC West Team</td><td> W (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_WINS&order=desc&colSel=0) </td><td> L (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_LOSSES&order=desc&colSel=1) </td><td> T (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_TIES&order=desc&colSel=2) </td><td> Pct (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=3) </td><td> PF (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_PTS_FOR&order=desc&colSel=4) </td><td> PA (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_PTS_AGAINST&order=desc&colSel=5) </td><td> http://i.nflcdn.com/static/site/7.2/img/red_arrow_down.gif Net Pts (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=OVERALL_NET_PTS&order=asc&colSel=6) </td><td> TD (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=TOUCHDOWNS&order=desc&colSel=7) </td><td> Home (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=HOME_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=8) </td><td> Road (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=ROAD_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=9) </td><td> Div (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=DIVISION_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=10) </td><td> Pct (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=DIVISION_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=11) </td><td> Conf (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=CONFERENCE_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=12) </td><td> Pct (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=CONFERENCE_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=13) </td><td> Non-Conf (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=NON_CONFERENCE_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=14) </td><td> Streak (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=STREAK_SORT&order=desc&colSel=15) </td><td> Last 5 (http://www.nfl.com/standings?&sort=LAST_5_WIN_PCT&order=desc&colSel=16) </td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> Denver Broncos (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=DEN) </td><td>5</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1.000</td><td>113</td><td>79</td><td class="sorted">34</td><td>11</td><td>2-0</td><td>3-0</td><td>2-0</td><td>1.000</td><td>3-0</td><td>1.000</td><td>2-0</td><td>5W</td><td>5-0</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> Oakland Raiders (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=OAK) </td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>.400</td><td>107</td><td>124</td><td class="sorted">-17</td><td>12</td><td>1-2</td><td>1-1</td><td>0-1</td><td>.000</td><td>2-2</td><td>.500</td><td>0-1</td><td>2L</td><td>2-3</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> San Diego Chargers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=SD) </td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>.400</td><td>116</td><td>134</td><td class="sorted">-18</td><td>11</td><td>2-1</td><td>0-2</td><td>0-0</td><td>.000</td><td>1-2</td><td>.333</td><td>1-1</td><td>1L</td><td>2-3</td></tr><tr class="tbdy1" align="right"><td align="left"> Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=KC) </td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>.200</td><td>117</td><td>143</td><td class="sorted">-26</td><td>12</td><td>0-2</td><td>1-2</td><td>0-1</td><td>.000</td><td>1-2</td><td>.333</td><td>0-2</td><td>4L</td><td>1-4</td></tr></tbody></table>

I guess I'm bad at math.

[Easy 6]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dY5Smi_Rqd8/UYQN4xoUVjI/AAAAAAAALpE/NHXAr9OfiuA/s1600/diving-board-fail.gif

Aaand, thread.

[New World Order]

I tried telling the homers on here that Oakland is headed in the right direction. Got a good nucleus at QB, RB, WR, and Mack. These guys here actually think Mack is a bust.


It's not that we don't understand. We just don't care because you se this isn't a Raiders board.

Can't believe it took you this long to figure that out.