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oaklandhater
10-15-2015, 09:18 PM
http://www.chiefsdigest.com/the-seemingly-unending-chiefs-search-for-a-franchise-quarterback/
By Bob Gretz+ On October 15, 2015 Print article
KANSAS CITY, Mo. – For the fifth consecutive week, the Chiefs face an opponent with one of those highly-valued franchise quarterbacks, passers selected in the first or seconds rounds of the NFL Draft and are now the centerpiece for their team.
Oct. 11, 2015; Kansas City, MO: Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith (11) in action against the Chicago Bears at Arrowhead Stadium. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)
Oct. 11, 2015; Kansas City, MO: Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith (11) in action against the Chicago Bears at Arrowhead Stadium. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)
It started in Week 2 with Peyton Manning (first round 1998) in Denver. What’s followed has been Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers (first round 2005), Andy Dalton with Cincinnati (second round 2011) and Chicago’s Jay Cutler (first round 2007.)
Coming up on Sunday are the Minnesota Vikings with Teddy Bridgewater as the starting quarterback, a first-round selection in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Before the end their season, the Chiefs will play 13 games against highly drafted quarterbacks, with the possibility of two more based on future possibilities of injury and production.
The Chiefs have their own first-round, franchise-type quarterback that they’ve thrown up against these other highly-rated guys in Alex Smith.
Those quarterbacks are part of the continual back-and-forth that goes on with owners, scouts, media and fans that all zero in on the quarterback position, and want their team to draft the league’s next great passer. They all desire a star quarterback that can lead a club to championship performances.
Nobody knows that more than followers of the Chiefs, those long-suffering fans of the Hunt family franchise that have seen their team go 32 years without using a first-round draft choice to select a quarterback – Todd Blackledge in 1983. They have gone 23 years without using a second-round pick for a passer – Matt Blundin in 1992.
“It’s certainly one of the most important positions on any team,” said former Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson, who controlled the team from 1989-2008. “That increases the attention on the position; he gets too much credit and too much of the blame. It also is a position of greater risk when talking about evaluating and acquiring.”
In 20 seasons where Peterson ran the Chiefs, the team did not drafted a first-round quarterback. That doesn’t mean they didn’t use first selections as currency to get starting quarterbacks. A first-round choice (No. 18) was part of the trade that brought Joe Montana to Kansas City in 1993 from San Francisco, and there was also a first choice (No. 12) in the trade with St. Louis in 2001 for Trent Green.
When Scott Pioli took over in 2009 as the team’s general manager, he used a second-round draft choice (No. 34) to acquire Matt Cassel from New England. Four years later, in his first season as Chiefs G.M., John Dorsey used two selections in the second round (No. 34, 56) in a trade with San Francisco for Smith.
(kcchiefs.com has done a year-long series on the Chiefs attempts to find franchise quarterbacks. The posts provide plenty of information about the ups and downs of the position over 50 years. Here is the link.)
Some have wondered over the years if there is some sort of ban instituted by ownership that a quarterback should not be drafted in the first round by the Chiefs.
“All Lamar (Hunt) wanted was to be informed and to be consulted if we traded a first-round pick,” Peterson said. “There was no mandate to stay away from the position.”
For Peterson, it had more to do with the two most successful head coaches that worked for him – Marty Schottenheimer and Dick Vermeil. Neither one wanted to deal with the roller coaster that comes from a young quarterback getting his first opportunity to play in the league.
“They didn’t want to go through that, and frankly neither did I,” Peterson said. “Hindsight always tells us we should have used the first rounder this year, or that year for a quarterback. When it’s early in the draft, you seldom have that kind of clarity.”
Pioli was influenced by his time with the Patriots, where Super Bowls came with a sixth-round quarterback (choice No. 199) in Tom Brady. Both Dorsey and Andy Reid were part of decisions at their former teams that selected a first-round quarterback – Green Bay with Rodgers and with his first draft choice in charge of Philadelphia, Reid drafted Donovan McNabb with the second pick in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft. Both of those quarterback decisions worked out well for those teams.
The quarterbacks facing off in the Chiefs-Vikings game this Sunday are both first-round picks, with Smith the first choice in 2005 and Bridgewater the 32nd choice in 2014. Both stepped into the starting lineup as rookies.
For Smith, that began a roller coaster of a career in San Francisco thanks to changing offenses, changing head coaches and injuries. After only 16 starts over the last two seasons, it’s too early to tell what career path Bridgewater will travel. The Vikings are 8-8 in his starts.
Unlike the Chiefs, Minnesota has dipped into the first round of the NFL Draft several times in hopes of finding their quarterback, drafting three in the last 16 years – Daunte Culpepper (1999), Christian Ponder (2011) and Bridgewater (2014).
The Vikings hope Bridgewater is the man to fill their franchise quarterback role; that’s why they traded into the late first round of the ’14 Draft to get him. Based on the lack of victories and performance, the Chiefs may soon have to make another big decision about their quarterback position.
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Over the NFL Drafts in 2005-1014, what quarterbacks could the Chiefs have selected without trading to improve their position in the first round? Here are the players they drafted and the quarterbacks that were available to them at the time.
Year Pick* Selection QB they could have drafted
2014 23 LB Dee Ford Teddy Bridgewater (32), David Carr (36)
2013 1 OT Eric Fisher E.J. Manuel (16), Geno Smith (39)
2012 11 DT Dontari Poe Brandon Weeden (22)
2011 21* WR Jonathan Baldwin Andy Dalton (35), Colin Kaepernick (36)
2010 5 S Eric Berry Tim Tebow (25)
2009 3 DE Tyson Jackson Mark Sanchez (5), Josh Freeman (17)
2008 5 DL Glenn Dorsey Joe Flacco (18)
2007 23 WR Dwayne Bowe Kevin Kolb (36)
2006 20 DE Tamba Hali Kellen Clemens (49)
2005 15 LB Derrick Johnson Aaron Rodgers (24 ), Jason Campbell (25 )
*Chiefs made draft day trade moving from No. 21 down to No. 26.
notorious
10-15-2015, 09:22 PM
It also is a position of greater risk when
Mother-****ing cock-sucking pussy.
oaklandhater
10-15-2015, 09:25 PM
Mother-****ing cock-sucking pussy.
Story of this franchise Way too risky yet they never talk Dorsey fisher or Jackson
Hammock Parties
10-15-2015, 09:26 PM
A Blob Gretz article with quotes from Carl Peterson.
Let's not go backwards.
oaklandhater
10-15-2015, 09:31 PM
Was (Trint) Green really worth a 1st round pick damm did the rams fleece the chiefs.
oaklandhater
10-15-2015, 09:34 PM
The rams picked up green for nothing from the skins then traded him to the chiefs for a high 1st pick it's like some cruel joke
Carl was such a trash gm and screw Dick Vermeil for making that trade.
GloucesterChief
10-15-2015, 09:57 PM
Could of had Dalton but Pioli listened to Belichick like Belichick wanted another team to get better.
oaklandhater
10-15-2015, 09:59 PM
Could of had Dalton but Pioli listened to Belichick like Belichick wanted another team to get better.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Dalton, the player Scott Pioli admitted regret for not drafting, leads bengals to playoffs. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/thxdick?src=hash">#thxdick</a></p>— Marty McDonald (@1_ChiefsKingdom) <a href="https://twitter.com/1_ChiefsKingdom/status/282957226040246272">December 23, 2012</a></blockquote>
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If he drafted Andy he would still be the GM here in KC
GloucesterChief
10-15-2015, 10:04 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Dalton, the player Scott Pioli admitted regret for not drafting, leads bengals to playoffs. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/thxdick?src=hash">#thxdick</a></p>— Marty McDonald (@1_ChiefsKingdom) <a href="https://twitter.com/1_ChiefsKingdom/status/282957226040246272">December 23, 2012</a></blockquote>
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He drafted Andy he would still be the GM here in KC
If I was an owner and my GM was getting draft advice from an opposing teams coach, I would fire them on the spot with cause.
oaklandhater
10-15-2015, 10:08 PM
If I was an owner and my GM was getting draft advice from an opposing teams coach, I would fire them on the spot with cause.
Maybe belichick was telling him to stick it out with Cassel he just need's time to grow LMAO
Pasta Little Brioni
10-15-2015, 10:36 PM
Was (Trint) Green really worth a 1st round pick damm did the rams fleece the chiefs.
They got a turd with that pick if I remember right. They didn't fleece shit.
rabblerouser
10-15-2015, 10:57 PM
Could of had Dalton but Pioli listened to Belichick like Belichick wanted another team to get better.
"Hey Scott, got a hot tip...Jon Baldwin is the next Randy Moss."
oaklandhater
10-15-2015, 10:58 PM
"Hey Scott, got a hot tip...Jon Baldwin is the next Randy Moss."
He would have looked like it under Brady you can plug any trash WR in the pats offense and they look all pro under brady.
TribalElder
10-15-2015, 11:01 PM
Bob gretz's AIDS is really acting up
New World Order
10-15-2015, 11:07 PM
Was (Trint) Green really worth a 1st round pick damm did the rams fleece the chiefs.
Well it was better than another Sylvester Morris or Ryan Sims.
Squalor2
10-15-2015, 11:14 PM
chiefs have a gift for making running backs and at some times a defense lethal. we are shit at getting qb's. i really think that dorsey is going to trade up in the next 2 years and draft a qb, reid will probably cut loose after this year, but i don't see an up and coming coach available. we'll end up with wisenhunt or a minny coach. yuck.
Psyko Tek
10-15-2015, 11:17 PM
Was (Trint) Green really worth a 1st round pick damm did the rams fleece the chiefs.
he was the best QB we have had since Montana so maybe at best
oaklandhater
10-15-2015, 11:31 PM
he was the best QB we have had since Montana so maybe at best
Him and Plummer were having similar stats and den gave up nothing.
Buehler445
10-16-2015, 12:01 AM
Him and Plummer were having similar stats and den gave up nothing.
Plummer was a fucking headcase.
Discuss Thrower
10-16-2015, 12:34 AM
“There was no mandate to stay away from the position.”
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Sweet Daddy Hate
10-16-2015, 02:39 AM
I've never read so much goddamned stupid about stupid people in my life.
Fuck this clown-ass franchise.
Bufkin
10-16-2015, 02:52 AM
Carl was such a trash gm and screw Dick Vermeil for making that trade.
Will Shields, Tony Gonzalez, Derrick Thomas, Jamaal Charles, Priest Holmes, Dave Szott, Derrick Johnson, etc...
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-16-2015, 02:54 AM
Proof that Chiefs GM's care more about their jobs than winning anything.
ILChief
10-16-2015, 05:45 AM
Goff or Cook please
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-16-2015, 05:47 AM
Goff or Cook please
A LOT of talent available. Saying "there was nothing there" is complete and utter horseshit this year.
BossChief
10-16-2015, 06:41 AM
Proof that Gretz gets ideas for articles from CP...
Here's what I posted in my thread at 2:22pm yesterday
Bulshit.
We traded for Trent Green instead of drafting Brees With the pick
We drafted Derrick Johnson and passed on Aaron Rodgers
We drafted Glenn Dorsey and Brandon Albert over Joe Flacco
We drafted Tyson Jackson over Mark Sanchez (I didn't want him, but he would have been better than Jackson/Cassel)
We drafted Jon Baldwin over Andy Dalton
We drafted Donald Stephenson over Russel Wilson
We drafted Dee Ford over Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr
That's 6 and a possible 7 instances that we passed on QBs when we needed one to draft a bust or someone that doesn't significantly impact games.
Then Gretz posts his article last night...with the same information.
Bob...send me a PM asking permission next time and do like Jason Whitlock did and start an account here and post occasionally. Heck, Jason even threw in 1,000 towards SOC.
We'd appreciate it and at least that would show appreciation for giving you the ideas for the pulse of the fanbase.
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-16-2015, 06:44 AM
Proof that Gretz gets ideas for articles from CP...
Here's what I posted in my thread at 2:22pm yesterday
Then Gretz posts his article last night...with the same information.
I hate that goddamned fat cunt Gretz, and I hope he reads it here.
Fuck you, Blob.
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 06:55 AM
Proof that Gretz gets ideas for articles from CP...
Here's what I posted in my thread at 2:22pm yesterday
Then Gretz posts his article last night...with the same information.
Bob...send me a PM asking permission next time and do like Jason Whitlock did and start an account here and post occasionally. Heck, Jason even threw in 1,000 towards SOC.
We'd appreciate it and at least that would show appreciation for giving you the ideas for the pulse of the fanbase.
This quote :
Some have wondered over the years if there is some sort of ban instituted by ownership that a quarterback should not be drafted in the first round by the Chiefs.
Is a dead giveaway that he's on CP. Constantly.
KC_Lee
10-16-2015, 06:57 AM
For Peterson, it had more to do with the two most successful head coaches that worked for him – Marty Schottenheimer and Dick Vermeil. Neither one wanted to deal with the roller coaster that comes from a young quarterback getting his first opportunity to play in the league.
This is the most telling line from the whole article. I can only think on of one coach, Bill Parcells, that had long term success at one team (NY Giants), went to a second team (NE Pats) and drafted and developed a young QB (Bledsoe).
Most vet head coaches don't seem to ever want to draft and develop more than on QB. Can anyone prove me wrong? Has there ever been a head coach that has had sustained success with one team, left that team and drafted a starting QB at the other team?
This is why hiring retread coaches will never yield a first round QB for KC.
notorious
10-16-2015, 07:00 AM
This is the most telling line from the whole article. I can only think on of one coach, Bill Parcells, that had long term success at one team (NY Giants), went to a second team (NE Pats) and drafted and developed a young QB (Bledsoe).
Most vet head coaches don't seem to ever want to draft and develop more than on QB. Can anyone prove me wrong? Has there ever been a head coach that has had sustained success with one team, left that team and drafted a starting QB at the other team?
This is why hiring retread coaches will never yield a first round QB for KC.
Shanahan
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 07:02 AM
Shanahan:eek:
He didn't draft Elway and RGIII is a bust...
He did draft Tommy Maddox though, and he had a couple decent years for Pittsburgh.
notorious
10-16-2015, 07:03 AM
:eek:
He didn't draft Elway and RGIII is a bust.
But he did draft a QB at his new job.
Twice. (And twice at Denver for Griese and Cutler)
Shanahan gets it.
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 07:05 AM
But he did draft a QB at his new job.
Twice. (And once at Denver in Griese)
Shanahan gets it.
Well...he gets the idea.
We won't say much of his execution - he used a first rounder on Brian Fucking Griese.
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-16-2015, 07:06 AM
Well...he gets the idea.
We won't say much of his execution - he used a first rounder on Brian Fucking Griese.
You're GOING to get some turds along the way. That's no excuse.
notorious
10-16-2015, 07:07 AM
Well...he gets the idea.
We won't say much of his execution - he used a first rounder on Brian ****ing Griese.
Griese wasn't terrible, but he wasn't very good, either.
The point is he keeps trying.
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 07:08 AM
You're GOING to get some turds along the way. That's no excuse.
Oh, I agree. It's more a dig at Shanarat himself than the methods he used.
One of the smartest things he ever did was take RGIII and Cousins in the same draft. That turned out to be genius.
notorious
10-16-2015, 07:09 AM
Oh, I agree. It's more a dig at Shanarat himself than the methods he used.
One of the smartest things he ever did was take RGIII and Cousins in the same draft. That turned out to be genius.
From what I understand (which is little), Snyder wanted RG and Shan wanted Cousins.
No wonder things didn't work out. LMAO
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 07:11 AM
From what I understand (which is little), Snyder wanted RG and Shan wanted Cousins.
No wonder things didn't work out. LMAO
Nice.
Yeah as soon as NFL defenses caught up to the spread and QBs had to actually read defenses again, QBs like RGIII and Kraperdick fell off HARD.
BossChief
10-16-2015, 07:13 AM
This quote :
Is a dead giveaway that he's on CP. Constantly.
Here's the post of mine at 1:47 that he took that from, I bet.
I'm a true fan in every sense of the term except the way the team has handled the QB position. I'm still here, right?
It's like the Hunts lost a bet way back when and simply aren't allowed to draft a first round quarterback or something.
Like the coin flip that made LamR move his team to KC from Dallas...
notorious
10-16-2015, 07:16 AM
If only every team writer had an awesome board like CP to blatantly copy.
We shouldn't complain too much, at least he is writing the truth.
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 07:17 AM
Here's the post of mine at 1:47 that he took that from, I bet.
Yup.
Hey Bob Gretz,
Tell Chunt that mere 'respectability' isn't good enough anymore.
After what we've been through, nothing less than a Lombardi Trophy is sufficient at this point.
Fire Fat Andy, bring The Todd back, and let's rape faces...instead of getting faceraped, week after week after week...
Same as it ever was.
duncan_idaho
10-16-2015, 07:18 AM
Don't you have to actually, you know, start searching for something... Before you can say the search is/has been on?
Looking at what the Chiefs have done for the past 30 years and saying it was them searching for a franchise QB is similar to a bum going through dumpsters and saying he's searching for a perfectly cooked, medium rare ribeye.
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 07:19 AM
If only every team writer had an awesome board like CP to blatantly copy.
We shouldn't complain too much, at least he is writing the truth.
Agreed.
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 07:23 AM
Don't you have to actually, you know, start searching for something... Before you can say the search is/has been on?
Looking at what the Chiefs have done for the past 30 years and saying it was them searching for a franchise QB is similar to a bum going through dumpsters and saying he's searching for a perfectly cooked, medium rare ribeye.
And when we DO find some decent leftover Chinese, we throw it in a different dumpster (see : Gannon, Rich)
That's the point; the failure of ownership to make a young QB an actual priority to management filters down through the entire franchise at this point.
It's reeking of Ben gay and Metamucil, from DeBerg to Kreig to Bono to Grbac to Gannon to Green to Huard to Cassel to Smiff...it's permeated the building.
KC_Lee
10-16-2015, 07:27 AM
Shanahan
I stand corrected. Much rep sir. However, the trend is more towards retread coaches wanting a vet QB vs. young QB.
Nice.
Yeah as soon as NFL defenses caught up to the spread and QBs had to actually read defenses again, QBs like RGIII and Kraperdick fell off HARD.
I was just thinking about this... How in the world did NFL teams seem somewhat clueless facing guys like these (hell, Kaep led his team to a SB and deep into the playoffs starting in his 2nd year in the league) to now, where guys like Kaep and RG3 are struggling so badly? What was it that NFL defenses figured out so quickly to stop guys like these so efficiently? Do QB's like Kaep and RG3 still stand a chance to succeed? Do guys like Kaep even have a chance to make another run in their careers, utilizing the same style they've always had??
I remember reading people write on here sometimes, that the read option stuff was the QB style of the future....If that style is washed out already, it really didn't last too long.
Red Dawg
10-16-2015, 07:33 AM
The title is stupid. Search for a QB? KC has done nothing like it. If they were actually searching for one they wouldn't constantly trade for other peoples trash and not draft them high.
The plan should be to:
1. Sign a vet as back up like Chase.
2. Draft one in the first round, we can do this this season as we will pick in the top ten for sure.
3. Draft another one in like the fourth round.
This way you have youth and can really have a shot that one them will be good and if they suck then repeat in few years until you find a stud.
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 07:36 AM
I was just thinking about this... How in the world did NFL teams seem somewhat clueless facing guys like these (hell, Kaep led his team to a SB and deep into the playoffs starting in his 2nd year in the league) to now, where guys like Kaep and RG3 are struggling so badly? What was it that NFL defenses figured out so quickly to stop guys like these so efficiently? Do QB's like Kaep and RG3 still stand a chance to succeed? Do guys like Kaep even have a chance to make another run in their careers, utilizing the same style they've always had??
I remember reading people write on here sometimes, that the read option stuff was the QB style of the future....If that style is washed out already, it really didn't last too long.
Most trends flame out rather quickly. Remember the Wildcat in 2008?? It was a trend.
Guys like RGIII and Kaep literally took defenses by surprise with their speed on the ground. Defenders were rushing too wide, leaving lanes open, and fast QBs can exploit that if the defenses aren't going to be disciplined.
Once the NFL adapted to that style of play, the only possible way to succeed is to do what every NFL QB has to do - read the entire defense and find the best matchup.
Since Kaep/RGIII/etc have simply relied on their athleticism their entire lives, they've never truly read defenses. They've never developed the cerebral part of the game.
That's why they're ****ed.
I stand corrected. Much rep sir. However, the trend is more towards retread coaches wanting a vet QB vs. young QB.
It makes you wonder why... Reid-Smith would be just one of many examples, but sometimes I wonder how well guys like Andy Reid and Alex Smith personally knew each other behind the scenes prior to becoming coach and QB. Is it one of those things where they tend to lean towards these guys because they've just gotten to know them and they become friends or think they are good guys??? Is it a scuttle-butt thing that coaches talk about among each other...like a popular belief between certain coaching cliques that "so and so" QB would do this good or this poor in particular coach's systems...or certain coaching cliques/staffs developing a common belief that a certain QB has shown a lot of potential over the years??? Then they latch on to the idea and fail to let go of it when they actually do end up coaching these guys? I just have no idea what to think of this stuff....the freaking Chiefs.
Most trends flame out rather quickly. Remember the Wildcat in 2008?? It was a trend.
Guys like RGIII and Kaep literally took defenses by surprise with their speed on the ground. Defenders were rushing too wide, leaving lanes open, and fast QBs can exploit that if the defenses aren't going to be disciplined.
Once the NFL adapted to that style of play, the only possible way to succeed is to do what every NFL QB has to do - read the entire defense and find the best matchup.
Since Kaep/RGIII/etc have simply relied on their athleticism their entire lives, they've never truly read defenses. They've never developed the cerebral part of the game.
That's why they're ****ed.
Interesting.
The title is stupid. Search for a QB? KC has done nothing like it. If they were actually searching for one they wouldn't constantly trade for other peoples trash and not draft them high.
The plan should be to:
1. Sign a vet as back up like Chase.
2. Draft one in the first round, we can do this this season as we will pick in the top ten for sure.
3. Draft another one in like the fourth round.
This way you have youth and can really have a shot that one them will be good and if they suck then repeat in few years until you find a stud.
Yep. Easy answer as you pointed out. The Chiefs HAVE NOT TRIED since Blackledge.
threebag
10-16-2015, 09:22 AM
Look at all the good quarterbacks that have been passed on. lol only two on that list worth a shit.
Gonzo
10-16-2015, 09:22 AM
Terribly written article is terrible.
Reerun_KC
10-16-2015, 09:55 AM
Yep. Easy answer as you pointed out. The Chiefs HAVE NOT TRIED since Blackledge.
I don't understand this retarded fascination with Daniels's....
The guy is an absolute clone of Alex Smith. Why are people swinging from his nut sack?
jonzie04
10-16-2015, 09:59 AM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Sutton_Breaks_Down_Vikings_Offense/78d5a738-e1e4-44f3-bd1e-fe0eb59afa47
4:25-5:20
Listening to Sutton rave about Teddy makes me want to murder a rock. If these dumbasses thought this highly of him why didn't they draft him? JFC.
Reerun_KC
10-16-2015, 09:59 AM
Because chiefs.
Brock
10-16-2015, 09:59 AM
The chiefs always just do the laziest thing possible wrt finding a qb. And the fans eat it up. Kc radio callers were talking about alex smith almost as soon as he was benched by harbaugh.
ptlyon
10-16-2015, 10:02 AM
I don't understand this retarded fascination with Daniels's....
The guy is an absolute clone of Alex Smith. Why are people swinging from his nut sack?
Cuz you're from Oklahoma brah. I'm from Iowa and don't understand it either.
ChiefsCountry
10-16-2015, 10:19 AM
Boss Chief claiming Bob Gretz wrote the article because of his posts. :facepalm:
HemiEd
10-16-2015, 10:24 AM
Rufus Dawes 2.0? 55 years and counting the Chiefs have not drafted and developed their own QB. Sure, it is all just coincidence, really.
rabblerouser
10-16-2015, 10:40 AM
Cuz you're from Oklahoma brah. I'm from Iowa and don't understand it either.
I live in Columbia and I see Daniel for what he is :
Alex Smith before Smith got broken.
Griese wasn't terrible, but he wasn't very good, either.
The point is he keeps trying.
That's part of the problem too. Most coaches aren't Shanahan. They may not get more than one shot at it. They screw up, both them and the coach are gone. The fan base isn't going to care but the coach and front office want to keep their job.
Hamas has talked about this and I totally agree. The desires of a fan base and front office aren't always the same. No matter who you replaced Reid with, they are not going to care about the Chiefs history with QBs. They are going to make whatever decisions they think are best regardless of the past. Granted I'm not sure I'd want someone to draft a QB just to break a streak of not doing it.
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ChiTown
10-16-2015, 10:50 AM
What a joke. Search? Search! Yeah, if searching means not doing anything until the 3rd and 4th rounds, and searching means grabbing shit stains off the trash heap like Cassel and Smith, then yeah, searching................
KCTitus
10-16-2015, 10:59 AM
I don't understand this retarded fascination with Daniels's....
The guy is an absolute clone of Alex Smith. Why are people swinging from his nut sack?
I dont understand either...as bad as Smith is, the fact that Chase is not playing means he's *worse* than the starter. That doesnt bode well...
ModSocks
10-16-2015, 11:05 AM
What a joke. Search? Search! Yeah, if searching means not doing anything until the 3rd and 4th rounds, and searching means grabbing shit stains off the trash heap like Cassel and Smith, then yeah, searching................
Damnit, beat me to it.
You can't call it a "search" when you don't even try.
BossChief
10-16-2015, 12:06 PM
Boss Chief claiming Bob Gretz wrote the article because of his posts. :facepalm:
Sure...the exact stuff I posted at 2 pm on here had nothing to do with the article he posted with the exact same info 8 hours later.
Seems legit
Molitoth
10-16-2015, 12:32 PM
I was just thinking about this... How in the world did NFL teams seem somewhat clueless facing guys like these (hell, Kaep led his team to a SB and deep into the playoffs starting in his 2nd year in the league) to now, where guys like Kaep and RG3 are struggling so badly? What was it that NFL defenses figured out so quickly to stop guys like these so efficiently? Do QB's like Kaep and RG3 still stand a chance to succeed? Do guys like Kaep even have a chance to make another run in their careers, utilizing the same style they've always had??
I remember reading people write on here sometimes, that the read option stuff was the QB style of the future....If that style is washed out already, it really didn't last too long.
The NFL is a constant battle between Offense and Defensive coaches finding new ways to go at it.
The deal is that you need to consistently be innovative and be able to MAKE ADJUSTMENTS (*looking at you Bob Sutton).
This is why Chip Kelly was somewhat successful in his first season. This is why the wildcat formation was successful, the pistol, etc. But this shit will only last so long.
Offenses need to keep the opposing D guessing. (Screens and draws won't do it ANDY REID when everyone knows Alex Smith won't throw deep!)
We need innovative coaches.
ptlyon
10-16-2015, 12:36 PM
We need innovative coaches.
Ah, but we do have innovative coaches. Finding historic innovative ways to fucking lose.
ChiTown
10-16-2015, 12:40 PM
Ah, but we do have innovative coaches. Finding historic innovative ways to fucking lose.
QFT! Look no further than the Indianapolis Playoff Game on 01-04-14 for all the proof necessary to validate that comment.
The Franchise
10-16-2015, 12:48 PM
Sure...the exact stuff I posted at 2 pm on here had nothing to do with the article he posted with the exact same info 8 hours later.
Seems legit
Sure....if you believe that you're the only one that can have that exact thought.
BossChief
10-16-2015, 01:10 PM
Sure....if you believe that you're the only one that can have that exact thought.
We're not just talking about just 1 thought, though. The fact my thread has over 200 replies shows how much of a hot button topic this is.
The part that makes me think he read through that thread before writing his article is the way he listed who we took and passed on in each of the years we passed on successful quarterbacks.
The part that cemented it that he read that thread before writing that article was the fact that he added the part about the fans talking about ownership not allowing drafting a QB early in the draft.
That's 3 coincidences.
I guess that's possible...but to have 3 coincidences 8 hours before he posts the article?
Highly unlikely.
Baby Lee
10-16-2015, 01:15 PM
This is the most telling line from the whole article. I can only think on of one coach, Bill Parcells, that had long term success at one team (NY Giants), went to a second team (NE Pats) and drafted and developed a young QB (Bledsoe).
Most vet head coaches don't seem to ever want to draft and develop more than on QB. Can anyone prove me wrong? Has there ever been a head coach that has had sustained success with one team, left that team and drafted a starting QB at the other team?
This is why hiring retread coaches will never yield a first round QB for KC.
Coughlin.
Halfcan
10-16-2015, 01:22 PM
We're not just talking about just 1 thought, though. The fact my thread has over 200 replies shows how much of a hot button topic this is.
The part that makes me think he read through that thread before writing his article is the way he listed who we took and passed on in each of the years we passed on successful quarterbacks.
The part that cemented it that he read that thread before writing that article was the fact that he added the part about the fans talking about ownership not allowing drafting a QB early in the draft.
That's 3 coincidences.
I guess that's possible...but to have 3 coincidences 8 hours before he posts the article?
Highly unlikely.
I agree! It wouldn't be the first time a reporter "borrowed" stuff from the Planet.
keg in kc
10-16-2015, 01:28 PM
Hard to have an end when you never have a beginning.
Baby Lee
10-16-2015, 01:32 PM
We're not just talking about just 1 thought, though. The fact my thread has over 200 replies shows how much of a hot button topic this is.
The part that makes me think he read through that thread before writing his article is the way he listed who we took and passed on in each of the years we passed on successful quarterbacks.
The part that cemented it that he read that thread before writing that article was the fact that he added the part about the fans talking about ownership not allowing drafting a QB early in the draft.
That's 3 coincidences.
I guess that's possible...but to have 3 coincidences 8 hours before he posts the article?
Highly unlikely.
It's team history. It happened. If you're writing about QB's we haven't drafted, and someone else writes about QBs we haven't drafted, your remarks are going to look very similar.
Eureka
10-16-2015, 01:32 PM
I think the Chiefs should draft a QB in the next draft. They'll prob end up with pics 3-8 and will miss out on a franchise QB. That's the Chiefs luck when it comes to drafting QB's.
HemiEd
10-16-2015, 02:29 PM
We're not just talking about just 1 thought, though. The fact my thread has over 200 replies shows how much of a hot button topic this is.
The part that makes me think he read through that thread before writing his article is the way he listed who we took and passed on in each of the years we passed on successful quarterbacks.
The part that cemented it that he read that thread before writing that article was the fact that he added the part about the fans talking about ownership not allowing drafting a QB early in the draft.
That's 3 coincidences.
I guess that's possible...but to have 3 coincidences 8 hours before he posts the article?
Highly unlikely.I have been saying all of that stuff for years, like many others on here. I used to have all the recycled reject QBs listed in my sig for quite some time. It is not an original thought of yours nor mine.
BossChief
10-16-2015, 02:50 PM
I have been saying all of that stuff for years, like many others on here. I used to have all the recycled reject QBs listed in my sig for quite some time. It is not an original thought of yours nor mine.
I totally agree. In fact you and I have spoken about these very things many times over the years. I'm not saying I originated those thoughts at all. I absolutely didn't.
What I'm saying is I absolutely believe that Bob read through that thread before writing his article.
There's not a doubt in my mind that he did.
BossChief
10-16-2015, 02:55 PM
It's team history. It happened. If you're writing about QB's we haven't drafted, and someone else writes about QBs we haven't drafted, your remarks are going to look very similar.
And the part about fans thinking there's a possibility ownership has a part to do with not drafting a QB...that's not exactly a common thought...and was brought up in that same thread.
I think it's kinda cool, honestly.
Whitlock did something similar a few years back and even acknowledged as much in a post on here afterwards.
threebag
10-16-2015, 02:58 PM
B. C. Wendler
GloryDayz
10-16-2015, 03:30 PM
Fuck the whole Hunt family with a splintery phone pole! They own the last 45 fucking years! Assholes!
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-16-2015, 04:40 PM
Look at all the good quarterbacks that have been passed on. lol only two on that list worth a shit.
In your opinion.
Which usually sucks balls.
"Drafting a QB may put a serious dent in all those KC play off victories"! / Lil' Threepy.
threebag
10-16-2015, 04:47 PM
Who on that list would you like to have?
King_Chief_Fan
10-16-2015, 04:51 PM
Who on that list would you like to have?
None...it is a stupid thread
listopencil
10-16-2015, 04:56 PM
"In 20 seasons where Peterson ran the Chiefs, the team did not drafted a first-round quarterback."
This guy gets paid to write?
oaklandhater
10-16-2015, 04:56 PM
Who on that list would you like to have?
instead of smith bridgewater flacco dalton
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-16-2015, 04:59 PM
instead of smith bridgewater flacco dalton
Boy, I sure hate the thought of giving up DJ for Aaron Rodgers.
Brock
10-16-2015, 04:59 PM
None...it is a stupid thread
^ wouldn't even take rodgers
You must be an imbecile
Baby Lee
10-16-2015, 05:00 PM
Adding irony to Irony Mountain, the clearest cut prospect, Aaron Rodgers, was when we made one of our most solid picks in DJ in the past 2 decades.
Brock
10-16-2015, 05:03 PM
A solid lb
A franchise qb
The choice is obvious for retarded chiefs fans
BigCatDaddy
10-16-2015, 05:10 PM
A solid lb
A franchise qb
The choice is obvious for retarded chiefs fans
A franchise guard.
BigCatDaddy
10-16-2015, 05:14 PM
Is trading up for QBs prohibited just like trading for coaches?
Baby Lee
10-16-2015, 05:14 PM
A solid lb
A franchise qb
The choice is obvious for retarded chiefs fans
It would have been fun to watch this place while Rodgers sat on the bench for half a decade.
"We just passed on Brodie FUCKING Croyle and have no idea what we have in this clipboard carrier!! FML!!"
Also, it's been a while. But DJ was drafted pre-noggin knockin' for Green, wasn't he?
Green still in his prime, re-tarded LJ, finally a decent draft pick on defense. Yeah, no brainer.
Hammock Parties
10-16-2015, 05:17 PM
It would have been fun to watch this place while Rodgers sat on the bench for half a decade.
"We just passed on Brodie FUCKING Croyle and have no idea what we have in this clipboard carrier!! FML!!"
Soon as Green retired Rodgers would have been the man.
Brock
10-16-2015, 05:26 PM
It would have been fun to watch this place while Rodgers sat on the bench for half a decade.
"We just passed on Brodie FUCKING Croyle and have no idea what we have in this clipboard carrier!! FML!!"
Also, it's been a while. But DJ was drafted pre-noggin knockin' for Green, wasn't he?
Green still in his prime, re-tarded LJ, finally a decent draft pick on defense. Yeah, no brainer.
Bret Favre was still in his prime too. Didn't seem to matter to a team that's way smarter than this one. They drafted qbs all the time. The chiefs drafted shit like larry johnson. But keep fucking that chicken.
Baby Lee
10-16-2015, 05:32 PM
Bret Favre was still in his prime too. Didn't seem to matter to a team that's way smarter than this one. They drafted qbs all the time. The chiefs drafted shit like larry johnson. But keep fucking that chicken.
Traded for Favre, then it was Aaron Brooks and Matt Hasselbeck until Rodgers.
Since this it's been Brian Brohm.
And they didn't waste draft after draft on poor picks like Tank and Turk and Turd and Scud and whatever other shitty D-line who never met a QB on a FB field in their life we squandered. So they had a good team around their QB developed in house. Which is my central thesis.
Yes the Packers are smarter. Because they drafted and developed a team where a QB could develop then thrive
Rausch
10-16-2015, 05:41 PM
Yes the Packers are smarter. Because they drafted and developed a team where a QB could develop then thrive
We traded for a play action game manager that only had success behind a run oriented offense, top 5 o line, and top 5 D.
Then we let his O line go to $3it, gave him crap at WR to throw to, changed to a pass first offense, and expected him to thrive.
Stupidity from top down...
Baby Lee
10-16-2015, 05:44 PM
We traded for a play action game manager that only had success behind a run oriented offense, top 5 o line, and top 5 D.
Then we let his O line go to $3it, gave him crap at WR to throw to, changed to a pass first offense, and expected him to thrive.
Stupidity from top down...
That's my point. The thought was 'we'll build what the 49ers built, only faster and less stressfully.'
Then we didn't build ANYTHING like the 49ers, unless you go back to the Singletary days, and now we think the problems are all about Alex.
There is no finish to the sentence 'we'd be in excellent shape right now, . . . if.' At least not one that takes less than 15 minutes to lay out with a shit ton of conjecture and hypotheticals and daydreaming.
Hammock Parties
10-16-2015, 05:44 PM
Technically it's not a pass-first offense.
The Chiefs have been 20th, 28th and 18th in pass attempts under Reid.
Things would be MUCH worse if it actually was. LMAO
Rausch
10-16-2015, 05:47 PM
Technically it's not a pass-first offense.
The Chiefs have been 20th, 28th and 18th in pass attempts under Reid.
Things would be MUCH worse if it actually was. LMAO
We have fewer passes attempted because we have fewer possessions because we come out, throw three straight plays, and punt.
We don't convert third downs.
We aren't on the field as much...
Baby Lee
10-16-2015, 05:51 PM
This team has plenty of talent, but haven't so much as presented the mentality of a professional organization, let alone a championship one.
They remind me of a girl who you've seen be gut bustingly hilarious in conversation, so she tries stand-up at an open mic.
One drunk yahoo yells 'you suck' and she freezes, mumbles incoherently, then runs out of the building in tears.
MotherfuckerJones
10-16-2015, 06:06 PM
Mother-****ing cock-sucking pussy.
Ugh I know! This franchise is a bunch of pussies when it comes to QBs
Marcellus
10-16-2015, 06:21 PM
Was (Trint) Green really worth a 1st round pick damm did the rams fleece the chiefs.
If you have to ask this question you need to stop making threads because you are fucking stupid.
We all already know you are dumb. Stop making threads.
HemiEd
10-16-2015, 07:53 PM
I totally agree. In fact you and I have spoken about these very things many times over the years. I'm not saying I originated those thoughts at all. I absolutely didn't.
What I'm saying is I absolutely believe that Bob read through that thread before writing his article.
There's not a doubt in my mind that he did.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he did. There is a lot of good material on here. :D
HemiEd
10-16-2015, 08:00 PM
It would have been fun to watch this place while Rodgers sat on the bench for half a decade.
"We just passed on Brodie ****ING Croyle and have no idea what we have in this clipboard carrier!! FML!!"
Also, it's been a while. But DJ was drafted pre-noggin knockin' for Green, wasn't he?
Green still in his prime, re-tarded LJ, finally a decent draft pick on defense. Yeah, no brainer.
DJ didn't come out on fire either, in fact he was benched and Romeo is who got him going.
B. C. W. (name withheld)
There are a couple things I have noticed about you. One is your avatar....that chick is sexy. I get a boner every time, man. Secondly, is 90% of your posts are about Clay. Good lord, man...you literally have something up your ass about him. I bet if you saw him out on the streets...you'd start a fight with him.
oaklandhater
10-16-2015, 09:55 PM
If you have to ask this question you need to stop making threads because you are ****ing stupid.
We all already know you are dumb. Stop making threads.
Blow me his stats were trash when we gave up a 1st pick
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2015, 06:06 AM
Blow me his stats were trash when we gave up a 1st pick
You hush! Grandpa Vermeil was such an exciting era for Lil' Chiefy! All sins forgiven!:rolleyes:
King_Chief_Fan
10-17-2015, 08:07 AM
^ wouldn't even take rodgers
You must be an imbecileoops...but at the time this team needed d players l
OnTheWarpath15
10-17-2015, 08:19 AM
Soon as Green retired Rodgers would have been the man.
Rodgers would have sat for all of one season and part of a game, considering Trent had his egg scrambled in the 2006 opener.
Marcellus
10-17-2015, 08:31 AM
You hush! Grandpa Vermeil was such an exciting era for Lil' Chiefy! All sins forgiven!:rolleyes:
Yea having the #1 scoring offense the NFL was a terrible thing.
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2015, 08:43 AM
Yea having the #1 scoring offense the NFL was a terrible thing.
Another horrid "win now" era, spearheaded by morons.
Thanks, Chiefs.
ILChief
10-17-2015, 08:57 AM
Another horrid "win now" era, spearheaded by morons.
Thanks, Chiefs.
I'd be fine with win now eras if they, won
Baby Lee
10-17-2015, 09:12 AM
Another horrid "win now" era, spearheaded by morons.
Thanks, Chiefs.
Hus everybody, I have SUPER POWERS. I can see the PAST and it failed. Heed my sagacity!!
Reerun_KC
10-17-2015, 09:15 AM
Another horrid "win now" era, spearheaded by morons.
Thanks, Chiefs.
Don't be stupid. At least it was an attempt unlike the rest of what we have seen.
Our current situation isnt win now or even capable of building a contender. So just pipe down about DV and win now...
Baby Lee
10-17-2015, 09:19 AM
Don't be stupid.
ROFL ROFL - that's a little like standing in front of Godzilla muttering 'not Aunt Tilly's house. . . not Aunt Tilly's house!!'
ptlyon
10-17-2015, 09:26 AM
How can we win now when we're losing now?
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2015, 09:36 AM
I'd be fine with win now eras if they, won
Or fielded a balanced team, or actually looked for a coach instead of choosing the latest, fired "name", or had a fucking clue about the QB position in the modern era of the league, or cared less about noise records and tailgating and more about winning and...yeah.
Don't be stupid. At least it was an attempt unlike the rest of what we have seen.
Our current situation isnt win now or even capable of building a contender. So just pipe down about DV and win now...
Motherfuck Dick Vermeil and Trent Green. :harumph:
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2015, 09:38 AM
ROFL ROFL - that's a little like standing in front of Godzilla muttering 'not Aunt Tilly's house. . . not Aunt Tilly's house!!'
Tell me more about NFL professionals and trusting processes, Scooter-Pie.
I'll wait.
Baby Lee
10-17-2015, 09:45 AM
Tell me more about NFL professionals and trusting processes, Scooter-Pie.
I'll wait.
Being an idiot is forgivable quirk of birth. Being a liar is a decision.
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2015, 09:48 AM
Being an idiot is forgivable quirk of birth. Being a liar is a decision.
As is being an obstinate moron.
Enjoy!
Baby Lee
10-17-2015, 09:52 AM
As is being an obstinate moron.
Enjoy!
Seems increasingly obvious that the only thing you've ever actually been a fan of is picking retarded fights with Chiefs fans on the internet.
Reerun_KC
10-17-2015, 10:09 AM
Or fielded a balanced team, or actually looked for a coach instead of choosing the latest, fired "name", or had a fucking clue about the QB position in the modern era of the league, or cared less about noise records and tailgating and more about winning and...yeah.
Motherfuck Dick Vermeil and Trent Green. :harumph:
Mother f your face with a blow torch.
King_Chief_Fan
10-17-2015, 10:42 AM
Ah yes....the 20/20 hindsight
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2015, 11:11 AM
Seems increasingly obvious that the only thing you've ever actually been a fan of is picking retarded fights with retarded Chiefs fans on the internet.
Corrected.
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2015, 11:14 AM
Mother f your face with a blow torch.
No defense, unbalanced team, QB "win now" trade, no play off wins, no acquisition or development of young talent so that Grandpa Fuckface could have him some aged vets to bleed everything out, Carl still employed and on the downhill slide.
But yeah, fuck that chicken.
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2015, 11:15 AM
But.. but...NACHOS!
How glorious.
Sandy Vagina
10-17-2015, 11:40 AM
Mother f your face with a blow torch.
LMAO ... and posts like these are why CP is always worth clicking on. :clap:
Baby Lee
10-17-2015, 11:49 AM
The ONLY thing you've ever actually been a fan of is picking fights with Chiefs fans.
Corrected.
At least you're finally honest about why you're here.
If only there was a word . . . one easy to remember, . . . perhaps so easy it tro, . . . err, trilled off the tongue.
Sweet Daddy Hate
10-17-2015, 11:55 AM
LMAO ... and posts like these are why CP is always worth clicking on. :clap:
Reerun and I are fucking around today. You, on the other hand, are legitimately despised.
Take Alex and yourself to the train tracks and get your legs caught in a tie, please.
Brock
10-17-2015, 02:18 PM
Ah yes....the 20/20 hindsight
^ wouldn't even take rodgers
You're an imbecile
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