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Quesadilla Joe

10-18-2015, 12:41 AM

35% made a Pro Bowl
10% won a Super Bowl
3% won multiple Super Bowls

1. Jameis Winston
2. Marcus Mariota
3. Blake Bortles
4. Johnny Manziel
5.Teddy Bridgewater
6. EJ Manuel
7. Andrew Luck 3 Pro Bowls
8. Robert Griffin 1 Pro Bowl
9. Ryan Tannehill
10. Brandon Weeden
11. Cam Newton 2 Pro Bowls
12. Jake Locker
13. Blaine Gabbert
14. Christian Ponder
15. Sam Bradford
16. Tim Tebow
17. Matthew Stafford 1 Pro Bowl
18. Mark Sanchez
19. Josh Freeman
20. Matt Ryan 3 Pro Bowls
21. Joe Flacco 1 Super Bowl win
22. JaMarcus Russell
23. Brady Quinn
24. Vince Young 2 Pro Bowls
25. Matt Leinart
26. Jay Cutler 1 Pro Bowl
27. Alex Smith 1 Pro Bowl
28. Aaron Rodgers 4 Pro Bowls 1 Super Bowl wins
29. Jason Campbell
30. Eli Manning 3 Pro Bowls 2 Super Bowl wins
31. Philip Rivers 5 Pro Bowls
32. Ben Roethlisberger 3 Pro Bowls 2 Super Bowl wins
33. J.P. Losman
34. Carson Palmer 2 Pro Bowls
35. Byron Leftwich
36. Kyle Boller
37. Rex Grossman
38. David Carr
39. Joey Harrington
40. Patrick Ramsey
41. Michael Vick 4 Pro Bowls
42. Chad Pennington
43. Tim Couch
44. Donovan McNabb 6 Pro Bowls
45. Akili Smith
46. Daunte Culpepper 3 Pro Bowls
47. Cade McNown
48. Peyton Manning 14 Pro Bowls 1 Super Bowl
49. Ryan Leaf
50. Jim Druckenmiller
51. Steve McNair 3 Pro Bowls
52. Kerry Collins 2 Pro Bowls
53. Heath Shuler
54. Trent Dilfer 1 Pro Bowl 1 Super Bowl win
55. Drew Bledsoe 4 Pro Bowls
56. Rick Mirer
57. David Klingler
58. Tommy Maddox
59. Dan McGwire
60. Todd Marinovich

Sorry I meant to post this in Draft Planet

TimBone

10-18-2015, 12:44 AM

listopencil

10-18-2015, 12:46 AM

I will admit that I thought Joey Harrington was going to be better than he turned out to be. I'll leave you with this:

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KCrockaholic

10-18-2015, 12:56 AM

Maybe Dee Ford and Joey Harrington can fight over the Piano man when Ford is done fuckin around.

RunKC

10-18-2015, 01:01 AM

Good QB's are a rarity these days.

All the teams that got good QB's got incredibly lucky.

GB, NE, DAL, SEA. Jesus. Even Kurt Warner in STL.

New World Order

10-18-2015, 01:23 AM

The last 10 super bowls, 7 of them have been won by first round qbs.

It's a different era now.

Kaepernick

10-18-2015, 03:30 AM

I find overall position selected to be more informative than just 1st round overall, despite outliers like Ryan Leaf being insane and Aaron Rodgers being blacklisted. It is more art than science, but the closer you pick to 1:1, the better the odds. All the evidence bears this out. You can't just pick any asshole in round 1 and expect success, never mind all the bad GMs and bad decisions by good GMs, let alone the fact that QB development is more art/less science than even finding QB prospects is. A lot of top QB prospects have been ruined by poor QB development. David Carr and Tim Couch were most certainly ruined in such manner.

Pretty damn strong bias among top 5 selections, after which quality tends to plunge.

Anyway, same list by round selected:

1 -- Jameis Winston
1 -- Andrew Luck 3 Pro Bowls
1 -- Sam Bradford
1 -- Matthew Stafford 1 Pro Bowl
1 -- JaMarcus Russell
1 -- Cam Newton 2 Pro Bowls
1 -- Alex Smith 1 Pro Bowl
1 -- Eli Manning 3 Pro Bowls 2 Super Bowl wins
1 -- Carson Palmer 2 Pro Bowls
1 -- David Carr
1 -- Michael Vick 4 Pro Bowls
1 -- Tim Couch
1 -- Peyton Manning 14 Pro Bowls 1 Super Bowl
1 -- Drew Bledsoe 4 Pro Bowls

2 -- Marcus Mariota
2 -- Ryan Leaf
2 -- Byron Leftwich
2 -- Donovan McNabb 6 Pro Bowls
2 -- Rick Mirer

3 -- Blake Bortles
3 -- Robert Griffin III 1 Pro Bowl
3 -- Matt Ryan 3 Pro Bowls
3 -- Vince Young 2 Pro Bowls
3 -- Joey Harrington
3 -- Akili Smith
3 -- Steve McNair 3 Pro Bowls
3 -- Heath Shuler

4 -- Philip Rivers 5 Pro Bowls
4 -- Trent Dilfer 1 Pro Bowl 1 Super Bowl win

5 -- Mark Sanchez
5 -- Kerry Collins 2 Pro Bowls

6 -- David Klingler

8 -- Ryan Tannehill
8 -- Jake Locker

10 - Blaine Gabbert
10 - Matt Leinart

11 - Jay Cutler 1 Pro Bowl
11 - Ben Roethlisberger 3 Pro Bowls 2 Super Bowl wins
11 - Daunte Culpepper 3 Pro Bowls

12 - Christian Ponder
12 - Cade McNown

16 - EJ Manuel
16 - Dan McGwire

17 - Josh Freeman

18 - Joe Flacco 1 Super Bowl win
18 - Chad Pennington

19 - Kyle Boller

22 - Johnny Manziel
22 - Brandon Weeden
22 - Brady Quinn
22 - J.P. Losman
22 - Rex Grossman

24 - Aaron Rodgers 4 Pro Bowls 1 Super Bowl wins
24 - Todd Marinovich

25 - Tim Tebow
25 - Jason Campbell
25 - Tommy Maddox

26 - Jim Druckenmiller

32 - Teddy Bridgewater
32 - Patrick Ramsey

Kaepernick

10-18-2015, 03:39 AM

Good QB's are a rarity these days.

All the teams that got good QB's got incredibly lucky.

GB, NE, DAL, SEA. Jesus. Even Kurt Warner in STL.

Luck is part of it but so is stupidity.

If you are a terrible team, you don't trade 2 picks for a mediocre QB who will lift your team into middling win numbers where you lose a top 5 pick when that QB prospect comes along. Bad owners make their GMs do that. Bad GMs do that. Good owners with good GMs realize that once your bad, it is better to just patiently build through the draft and hope you are still bad enough to get a top QB prospect when one of them rolls around. Bad owners don't have that patience and demand to "win now". They never "win big".

Quesadilla Joe

10-18-2015, 04:37 AM

1 -- Jameis Winston
1 -- Andrew Luck 3 Pro Bowls
1 -- Sam Bradford
1 -- Matthew Stafford 1 Pro Bowl
1 -- JaMarcus Russell
1 -- Cam Newton 2 Pro Bowls
1 -- Alex Smith 1 Pro Bowl
1 -- Eli Manning 3 Pro Bowls 2 Super Bowl wins
1 -- Carson Palmer 2 Pro Bowls
1 -- David Carr
1 -- Michael Vick 4 Pro Bowls
1 -- Tim Couch
1 -- Peyton Manning 14 Pro Bowls 1 Super Bowl
1 -- Drew Bledsoe 4 Pro Bowls

2 -- Marcus Mariota
2 -- Ryan Leaf
2 -- Byron Leftwich
2 -- Donovan McNabb 6 Pro Bowls
2 -- Rick Mirer

3 -- Blake Bortles
3 -- Matt Ryan 3 Pro Bowls
3 -- Vince Young 2 Pro Bowls
3 -- Joey Harrington
3 -- Akili Smith
3 -- Steve McNair 3 Pro Bowls
3 -- Heath Shuler

4 -- Philip Rivers 5 Pro Bowls
4 -- Trent Dilfer 1 Pro Bowl 1 Super Bowl win

5 -- Mark Sanchez
5 -- Kerry Collins 2 Pro Bowls

6 -- David Klingler

8 -- Robert Griffin III 1 Pro Bowl
8 -- Ryan Tannehill
8 -- Jake Locker

10 - Blaine Gabbert
10 - Matt Leinart

11 - Jay Cutler 1 Pro Bowl
11 - Ben Roethlisberger 3 Pro Bowls 2 Super Bowl wins
11 - Daunte Culpepper 3 Pro Bowls

12 - Christian Ponder
12 - Cade McNown

16 - EJ Manuel
16 - Dan McGwire

17 - Josh Freeman

18 - Joe Flacco 1 Super Bowl win
18 - Chad Pennington

19 - Kyle Boller

22 - Johnny Manziel
22 - Brandon Weeden
22 - Brady Quinn
22 - J.P. Losman
22 - Rex Grossman

24 - Aaron Rodgers 4 Pro Bowls 1 Super Bowl wins
24 - Todd Marinovich

25 - Tim Tebow
25 - Jason Campbell
25 - Tommy Maddox

26 - Jim Druckenmiller

32 - Teddy Bridgewater
32 - Patrick Ramsey

86.3% of the QB's drafted outside of the top 5 never made the Pro Bowl or won a Super Bowl.

54% of QB's drafted in the top 5 made at least 1 Pro Bowl, 9.6% of top 5 QB's have won a Super Bowl.

(RG3 was drafted #3 overall btw)

Sweet Daddy Hate

10-18-2015, 07:10 AM

Excellent crop this year. Join the movement.

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/QB1DCAV_zpsw6yul88b.png

RealSNR

10-18-2015, 07:11 AM

Too bad Peyton will never win multiple Super Bowls

notorious

10-18-2015, 07:14 AM

You should only go back to 2004-05'.

That's when Peyton cried enough to get the NFL to completely change how defensive holding is called. The NFL has been completely different since.

Sweet Daddy Hate

10-18-2015, 07:17 AM

You should only go back to 2004-05'.

That's when Peyton cried enough to get the NFL to completely change how defensive holding is called. The NFL has been completely different since.

I hate that horse-headed faggot. I hope he gets hit by a bus.

Eleazar

10-18-2015, 08:03 AM

http://jerrybarca.com/blogs/drafting-a-super-bowl-winning-quarterback

Since 1980, 470 quarterbacks have been selected in the NFL Draft. This includes the 15 quarterbacks taken in the supplemental draft during that period. Of all those quarterbacks 17 have won Super Bowls. That gives your favorite team a 3.6 percent chance of picking the right signal caller at any point in the draft.

...

During this period of 1980-2013, 82 quarterbacks have been taken in the first round. Ten have won Super Bowls, giving a first-round quarterback a 12.2 percent chance of winning a Super Bowl. Seems far too high a percentage for Bears fans donning a Cade McNown jersey.

...

Since 1980, there have been 11 instances in which no quarterbacks or only one has been picked in the first round. But the pecking order of where a quarterback is taken among his peers may matter a bit. Just a bit.

Of the 17 quarterbacks who were drafted and went on to win a Super Bowl, 13 were taken as one of the first three signal callers in their draft. Then there is a big drop. No fourth or fifth quarterback taken in the draft between 1980 and now has ever won a Super Bowl. Doesn’t matter which round or pick, no Super Bowl win. Duante Culpepper, Rex Grossman, Jay Schroeder, Ken O’Brien and plenty of others fall into this category.

notorious

10-18-2015, 08:12 AM

I hate that horse-headed pillowbitergot. I hope he gets hit by a bus.

That is also the moment in which the NFL started it's slow decline in quality and put way too much importance in one position.

milkman

10-18-2015, 08:25 AM

I find overall position selected to be more informative than just 1st round overall, despite outliers like Ryan Leaf being insane and Aaron Rodgers being blacklisted. It is more art than science, but the closer you pick to 1:1, the better the odds. All the evidence bears this out. You can't just pick any asshole in round 1 and expect success, never mind all the bad GMs and bad decisions by good GMs, let alone the fact that QB development is more art/less science than even finding QB prospects is. A lot of top QB prospects have been ruined by poor QB development. David Carr and Tim Couch were most certainly ruined in such manner.

Pretty damn strong bias among top 5 selections, after which quality tends to plunge.

Anyway, same list by round selected:

1 -- Jameis Winston
1 -- Andrew Luck 3 Pro Bowls
1 -- Sam Bradford
1 -- Matthew Stafford 1 Pro Bowl
1 -- JaMarcus Russell
1 -- Cam Newton 2 Pro Bowls
1 -- Alex Smith 1 Pro Bowl
1 -- Eli Manning 3 Pro Bowls 2 Super Bowl wins
1 -- Carson Palmer 2 Pro Bowls
1 -- David Carr
1 -- Michael Vick 4 Pro Bowls
1 -- Tim Couch
1 -- Peyton Manning 14 Pro Bowls 1 Super Bowl
1 -- Drew Bledsoe 4 Pro Bowls

2 -- Marcus Mariota
2 -- Ryan Leaf
2 -- Byron Leftwich
2 -- Donovan McNabb 6 Pro Bowls
2 -- Rick Mirer

3 -- Blake Bortles
3 -- Matt Ryan 3 Pro Bowls
3 -- Vince Young 2 Pro Bowls
3 -- Joey Harrington
3 -- Akili Smith
3 -- Steve McNair 3 Pro Bowls
3 -- Heath Shuler

4 -- Philip Rivers 5 Pro Bowls
4 -- Trent Dilfer 1 Pro Bowl 1 Super Bowl win

5 -- Mark Sanchez
5 -- Kerry Collins 2 Pro Bowls

6 -- David Klingler

8 -- Robert Griffin III 1 Pro Bowl
8 -- Ryan Tannehill
8 -- Jake Locker

10 - Blaine Gabbert
10 - Matt Leinart

11 - Jay Cutler 1 Pro Bowl
11 - Ben Roethlisberger 3 Pro Bowls 2 Super Bowl wins
11 - Daunte Culpepper 3 Pro Bowls

12 - Christian Ponder
12 - Cade McNown

16 - EJ Manuel
16 - Dan McGwire

17 - Josh Freeman

18 - Joe Flacco 1 Super Bowl win
18 - Chad Pennington

19 - Kyle Boller

22 - Johnny Manziel
22 - Brandon Weeden
22 - Brady Quinn
22 - J.P. Losman
22 - Rex Grossman

24 - Aaron Rodgers 4 Pro Bowls 1 Super Bowl wins
24 - Todd Marinovich

25 - Tim Tebow
25 - Jason Campbell
25 - Tommy Maddox

26 - Jim Druckenmiller

32 - Teddy Bridgewater
32 - Patrick Ramsey

David Carr was not a victim of poor QB development by the coaches, he was a victim of his own inability to develop.

He was the same in college and the pros.

He was a one read QB, and could never learn to make reads, to go through progressions.

He suffered William Barteee syndrome, and no matter what Kubiak and his staff tried, he was never able to learn and grow.

There are a number of QBs through the years that should have been sitting and learning for their first season or two, and I think that we would have seen fewer busts if teams had the patience and vision to do so, but there was no way that Carr was ever going to learn.

Carr was going to bust. He was incapable of learning to play the position in the NFL level.

Coogs

10-18-2015, 08:58 AM

David Carr was not a victim of poor QB development by the coaches, he was a victim of his own inability to develop.

He was the same in college and the pros.

He was a one read QB, and could never learn to make reads, to go through progressions.

He suffered William Barteee syndrome, and no matter what Kubiak and his staff tried, he was never able to learn and grow.

There are a number of QBs through the years that should have been sitting and learning for their first season or two, and I think that we would have seen fewer busts if teams had the patience and vision to do so, but there was no way that Carr was ever going to learn.

Carr was going to bust. He was incapable of learning to play the position in the NFL level.

Sounds a lot like Alex.

TLO

10-18-2015, 08:58 AM

milkman

10-18-2015, 09:11 AM

Carr also had shit for an offensive line.

The Texans, in Carr's last season as the starter, gave up 41 sacks.
The following season, with Matt Schaub and Sage Rosenfels at QB, and Jordan Black added to that maligned O-Line, gave up 22 sacks.

That O-Line wasn't nearly as bad as Carr made them look.

Bowser

10-18-2015, 09:11 AM

The names on that miss were either pretty much center of target hits or complete misses. Crazy.

Mile High Mania

10-18-2015, 09:33 AM

I'd be curious to see the playoff records, rather than pro bowls.

notorious

10-18-2015, 09:35 AM

I'd be curious to see the playoff records, rather than pro bowls.

This.

Cassel made a ProBowl ffs.

Bowser

10-18-2015, 09:37 AM

This.

Cassel made a ProBowl ffs.

As a third or fourth alternate, lol.

Asterisks for the guys who were replacement pro bowlers!

notorious

10-18-2015, 09:38 AM

As a third or fourth alternate, lol.

Asterisks for the guys who were replacement pro bowlers!

Aidsterisks for Cassel.

Bowser

10-18-2015, 09:41 AM

Aidsterisks for Cassel.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/859d53ee47b98c816bfeb876934da8d1/tumblr_nkkv07OtD21snr4pro4_r1_500.gif

Quesadilla Joe

10-18-2015, 10:18 AM

I'd be curious to see the playoff records, rather than pro bowls.

I used the Pro Bowl appearances to kind of weed out the busts, some of them managed to make it past that, but the # of Super Bowl wins took care of that.

Gonzo

10-18-2015, 10:19 AM

Didn't Kerry Collins win a super bowl? I could've sworn he did. Lemme look.

notorious

10-18-2015, 10:19 AM

Didn't Kerry Collins win a super bowl? I could've sworn he did. Lemme look.

Went to one against Baltimore, got beat.

Gonzo

10-18-2015, 10:20 AM

Went to one against Baltimore, got beat.

Yeah, that's right. I remembered just being fucking amazed that he got them there. Lmao

Quesadilla Joe

10-18-2015, 10:21 AM

Drew Bledsoe won a Super Bowl but I didn't count it because he was a backup.

Gonzo

10-18-2015, 10:21 AM

I wish Alex was as good as Kerry Collins. :(

jimidollar

10-18-2015, 10:23 AM

60-56 woof!

notorious

10-18-2015, 10:24 AM

I wish Alex was as good as Kerry Collins. :(

Kerry was the polar opposite of Alex.

He took risky throws all the time, and had the arm to pull them off.

Too bad he was a mental trainwreck, kind of like Cuntler.

Deberg_1990

10-18-2015, 10:42 AM

Now let's see the list of lower round QBs or undrafted who have won SBs since 91

Guys like Kurt Warner, Russel Wilson and Mark Rypien

Quesadilla Joe

10-18-2015, 10:56 AM

Now let's see the list of lower round QBs or undrafted who have won SBs since 91

Guys like Kurt Warner, Russel Wilson and Mark Rypien

QB's drafted between rounds 2-12 who have made a Pro Bowl since 1991... (bold means they've won a Super Bowl)

Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
Andy Dalton
Derek Anderson
Matt Cassel
Matt Schaub
David Garrard
Drew Brees
Marc Bulger
Tom Brady
Brian Griese
Matt Hasselbeck
Jake Plummer
Kordell Stewart
Mark Brunell
Elvis Grbac
Trent Green
Jeff Blake
Brad Johnson
Brett Favre

RealSNR

10-18-2015, 11:43 AM

Kaepernick

10-18-2015, 09:51 PM

86.3% of the QB's drafted outside of the top 5 never made the Pro Bowl or won a Super Bowl.

54% of QB's drafted in the top 5 made at least 1 Pro Bowl, 9.6% of top 5 QB's have won a Super Bowl.

(RG3 was drafted #3 overall btw)

Thanks for breaking that down.

Corrected RGIII in the list. Good catch.

Kaepernick

10-18-2015, 09:53 PM

Now let's see the list of lower round QBs or undrafted who have won SBs since 91

Guys like Kurt Warner, Russel Wilson and Mark Rypien

It is not the hits in rounds 2-7. It is the misses. They are legion. There isn't room to list them all here. Tom Brady is probably the only 6th round QB to ever start in the NFL.

pugsnotdrugs19

10-18-2015, 10:00 PM

Cook is going to have 'it'. Pro style system, proven winner, smart, good skill. He's the man.

RealSNR

10-18-2015, 10:15 PM

It is not the hits in rounds 2-7. It is the misses. They are legion. There isn't room to list them all here. Tom Brady is probably the only 6th round QB to ever start in the NFL.What the fuck are you talking about?

Tyrod Taylor is starting this year.

There's also Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, Derek Anderson... JT O'Sullivan started some games in relief I know...

And that's just QBs I can remember off the top of my head in the last 20 years.