Den Fan's calling for benching of manning

[oaklandhater]

http://kdvr.com/2015/10/18/bench-manning-movement-takes-off-on-twitter/

[oaklandhater]

If they only knew how bad things can really get with a trash QB they never had Smith/Cassel

[rico]

So they can trot out that tall scrub, Assweiler? Weird. These people have been spoiled.

[Mile High Mania]

So they can trot out that tall scrub, Assweiler? Weird. These people have been spoiled.

No doubt. I wouldn't believe most of those people have been fans for too many years. Although, I did have this argument yesterday with a friend who has been a fan his entire life and spent the first 20 years of his life in Denver.

It's tough to watch, and yes fans are spoiled... so it can make some say crazy things. I'm in for the long haul, good or bad. You lose the team if you make the move right now and you don't do it at 6-0 with the changes they have dealt with on offense.

[oaklandhater]

So they can trot out that tall scrub, Assweiler? Weird. These people have been spoiled.

How I feel

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[Quesadilla Joe]

It's not quite as bad as it was in Plummer's last year in Denver. Manning still has 5 or 6 throws a game that make you say, "Why can't he do that all the time?". Plummer never had those moments in '06.

But if you really watch, Peyton hasn't been that bad. His receivers (DT and Owen Daniels especially) have been dropping a lot of balls, in the game against Minnesota he had two perfect passes that were dropped in the endzone. Three or four of his INT's this year came from deflected passes and the rest were just bad decisions.

It just seems like the offense doesn't really know what they should be doing right now. Kubiak is comfortable with one thing and Manning is comfortable doing something totally different. And it's not as simple as, "just let Manning run his offense", because we have so many new players who have never played with Manning before and we spent all offseason working on Kubiak's offense. All of the issues can be fixed with time, and thankfully we have been able to remain undefeated while we're trying to figure out what works.

[Coochie liquor]

Looks like another 1 and done to end his career. Glorious!!

[MahiMike]

6-0 must suck.

[Dayze]

What a spoiled fucking fan base. LoL. JFC

[Perineum Ripper]

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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

"Bench Manning"...

LMAO

As if I truly needed more proof that Lil' Horsey is one retarded motherfucker...

[Mile High Mania]

It's kinda funny to me and now we have to listen to this for the next two weeks... most of the fan base is definitely spoiled. Contrary to an earlier post, Manning has looked like hell a lot this season and it's not because of Kubiak or new players, the guy is passing kidney stones with every throw it appears.

Father Time is undefeated and while Manning is going down with a fight, it's tough to watch at times. Still, I'll take this Manning over Brock or 1/2 the other options in the league with this defense.

It will be very interesting to see what this defense does vs the Packers, Colts, Patriots and Bengals... they're the key. It's a total 180 from recent years and we've seen what that brought us, so I'll somewhat reluctantly roll forward and let whatever happens take place.

[notorious]

We would be saying the same thing if the Chiefs had their past success.

[Red Dawg]

Benching him will never happen unless he is costing them a playoff game win. Right now if they did bench him he would just retire. He is not going to sit on the bench. They may as well be telling Elway to cut him and honestly they should but we all know Elway would not insult Manning by doing so.

Brock may not be the long term answer but the way their defense has played he would be better and give them a better shot at a title.

[Garcia Bronco]

Manning isn't playing all that bad.

[KC_Lee]

And yet Smiff is in no danger of being benched.

[Red Dawg]

It's kinda funny to me and now we have to listen to this for the next two weeks... most of the fan base is definitely spoiled. Contrary to an earlier post, Manning has looked like hell a lot this season and it's not because of Kubiak or new players, the guy is passing kidney stones with every throw it appears.

Father Time is undefeated and while Manning is going down with a fight, it's tough to watch at times. Still, I'll take this Manning over Brock or 1/2 the other options in the league with this defense.

It will be very interesting to see what this defense does vs the Packers, Colts, Patriots and Bengals... they're the key. It's a total 180 from recent years and we've seen what that brought us, so I'll somewhat reluctantly roll forward and let whatever happens take place.

You may beat the Colts but the other three no chance in hell. The defenses are too good and you won't score.

[Mile High Mania]

You may beat the Colts but the other three no chance in hell. The defenses are too good and you won't score.

Very possible... I've seen nothing from Denver's offense the last few weeks that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling vs the Packers, Patriots or Bengals. Thankfully, all 3 are in Denver. At 6-0, Denver will come out of the bye with 6 of their final 10 in Denver. Big plus there for having the early road games.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And yet Smiff is in no danger of being benched.

And we should be thankful for this, not upset.

[notorious]

Manning isn't playing all that bad.

Considering how bad run game has been, he really hasn't played horrible.


The problem is, he throws a few more of those "WTF" passes now. They haven't played a good team yet, and a good team will make them pay for it.


I think you guys will kill Green Bay. I am not impressed at all with them. They have a lot of drives extended by spotty holding calls and stray away from the run game way too much. Your secondary will own their receivers. Bengals and Pats are a different animal.

[Mile High Mania]

And yet Smiff is in no danger of being benched.

I view it all as noise... I'd be willing to wager this bet. 60% or more of those fans pimping the 'bench Manning' mantra would support signing Tebow. Sometimes people just lose their minds.

Aside from injury, there's no chance Denver makes this move or even entertains it... this is just needless noise.

[Hootie]

Lmao 6-0 bench the QB

[Mile High Mania]

And, my stance doesn't mean I haven't cursed Manning at least a dozen times the last few Sundays... I'm just quite certain that the alternative is a lot worse and this is just over-reaction from fans.

[notorious]

And, my stance doesn't mean I haven't cursed Manning at least a dozen times the last few Sundays... I'm just quite certain that the alternative is a lot worse and this is just over-reaction from fans.

Winning makes fans stupid. Example: Pats fans.



That's why we, at Chiefsplanet, are the smartest fans around.

[TEX]

Manning IS doing his part as many of us rightfully predicted. He is done. Denver won't be able to beat a good team, when it matters, with him under center, even with their stellar defense. His annual 2nd half of the season fade will be epic this season.

I'm going to enjoy watching it unfold, though admittedly not as much as I should. The problem is the Chiefs didn't do their part. A successful YEAR 3 Reid / Dorsey planned Chiefs team would have overtaken them this season. So, even in decline, Manning and the Cheating Donx get the last laugh on the Chiefs. :shake:


Because Chiefs...

[mcaj22]

Manning is doing his part as many of us predicted. The problem is the Chiefs didn't do theirs. A successful YEAR 3 Reid / Dorsey planned Chiefs team would have overtaken them this season. :shake:

we got their number in year 4 no doubt! 2016 will be our year!

[Quesadilla Joe]

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[Red Dawg]

And, my stance doesn't mean I haven't cursed Manning at least a dozen times the last few Sundays... I'm just quite certain that the alternative is a lot worse and this is just over-reaction from fans.

Alot worse? Manning will be a pile hot garbage by December and even worse than last year. Brock would be a much better option. If Elway actually wants to have shot at the SB then he would get rid of him now and start Brock.

I suspect he would if it was any other QB but not Manning. He let him return for a pay cut just to be nice so he can get the records.

There is zero chance with Manning but at least with Brock the offense could make better use of the weapons you have.

[notorious]

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Dude has a strong voice.


Should do sports casting.

[Mile High Mania]

Winning makes fans stupid. Example: Pats fans.

That's why we, at Chiefsplanet, are the smartest fans around.

Yeah, it's just funny to listen to at times, especially from a few long-time fans that I know. It just boggles my mind. The Broncos are 47-10 in the regular season since Manning signed and this is the best the defense has been in a very long time. So yeah, Manning and the offense stinks right now, but this defense has held things together.

Every game there are 4-5 "WTF" throws and there seem to be 2-3 key drops or incredibly near misses. And, they just can't run the ball... surpassing 100 vs the Browns barely counts really.

The offense has been on fire the last 3 seasons and they haven't won anything of worth in the playoffs. So, call me crazy, but I'm willing to live life on the other side for a bit and let the defense carry them.

We'll know more after this next month, but right now... I'm not expecting much of anything. There's absolutely no motivation around winning the division, esp at this point.

The bye week is at a great point. Nobody believes in the offense and they have a few big injuries to heal. They have a 4 game divisional lead with 10 games and the toughest stretch ahead. Their focus is beyond winning the West at this point, it's about staying healthy and getting into a position where it's not all defense.

I recall how McDaniels let a 6-0 start vanish into nothing and I don't see that happening here, but if I'm Denver...

You have to view these games as MUST WINS:
vs Chiefs, @ Bears, vs Raiders, vs Chargers ... those 4 get you to 10 wins

vs Packers, @ Colts, vs Patriots, @ Chargers, @ Steelers, @ Bengals ... gotta win 2-3 of those to prove you don't just flat out suck against better teams

If they could walk away with wins vs the teams in blue, I'd be happy.

[Dayze]

LMAO

9 fucking forehead!

[Mile High Mania]

Alot worse? Manning will be a pile hot garbage by December and even worse than last year. Brock would be a much better option. If Elway actually wants to have shot at the SB then he would get rid of him now and start Brock.

I suspect he would if it was any other QB but not Manning. He let him return for a pay cut just to be nice so he can get the records.

There is zero chance with Manning but at least with Brock the offense could make better use of the weapons you have.

Outside of being younger with a bigger arm... there's nothing to validate that Brock is ready to start. You really think putting him in right now doesn't lose the team?

I think that's insane...

Point in case. Brock isn't above throwing a PICK 6, but what I'm quite sure of is he's not capable of forgetting that on the next drive and opening it up with a 75 yard bomb for a TD.

Gotta take the good with the bad and I'll stick with Manning for the remainder of the year.

[notorious]

Outside of being younger with a bigger arm... there's nothing to validate that Brock is ready to start. You really think putting him in right now doesn't lose the team?

I think that's insane...

Point in case. Brock isn't above throwing a PICK 6, but what I'm quite sure of is he's not capable of forgetting that on the next drive and opening it up with a 75 yard bomb for a TD.

Gotta take the good with the bad and I'll stick with Manning for the remainder of the year.

Or checking to the right play at the line, closing out games, etc.


Manning is a killer when it comes to closing a game.

[TEX]

we got their number in year 4 no doubt! 2016 will be our year!

Oh yeah, I forgot. NEXT YEAR! (Again...)

[Mile High Mania]

Or checking to the right play at the line, closing out games, etc.


Manning is a killer when it comes to closing a game.

Yeah, now will Brock run Kubiak's offense with no questions asked? Yes, but I'm not sure he's not Matt Schaub V2.5 ... he's tall and has a cannon for an arm, but NFL IQ... dunno about all that.

Brock was college roommates with Elway's kid, right? I think the guy has some dirt on the old man and that's the only reason why his frankenstein ass is still around.

[Red Dawg]

Outside of being younger with a bigger arm... there's nothing to validate that Brock is ready to start. You really think putting him in right now doesn't lose the team?

I think that's insane...

Point in case. Brock isn't above throwing a PICK 6, but what I'm quite sure of is he's not capable of forgetting that on the next drive and opening it up with a 75 yard bomb for a TD.

Gotta take the good with the bad and I'll stick with Manning for the remainder of the year.

So you are certain that you have no shot with Manning and you are convinced that you have no shot with Brock even though he hasn't played. Come December Brock would be alot better.

[Tombstone RJ]

There's no way Brock plays unless Manning gets injured. As long as the Broncos have Manning, and Manning is healthy, Manning will start. Even if the Broncos lose the next 10 games, Manning is the QB. All that said, this is Manning's last year as a Bronco.

[Mile High Mania]

So you are certain that you have no shot with Manning and you are convinced that you have no shot with Brock even though he hasn't played. Come December Brock would be alot better.

I didn't say that... my expectations right now, based on how they've played... I'm not expecting anything great. I think they can get better with Manning. If I truly thought there was no chance they could play better with Manning, yeah - bench him. But, I don't believe that to be true. Thankfully, the defense and 6-0 is allowing myself a bit of lattitude on the crazy talk.

Could they do well and improve with Brock? Maybe, but there's nothing to warrant the consideration of thinking of the move at this point. It's just crazy talk by fans with idle time on their hands.

I think the entire team folds up and gives up if they just benched Manning for Brock and I think Brock would falter in the shadow at this point in the season. So, it's dumb.

[KCCHIEFS27]

I think next year, Denver will say, "oh that's why we should have played Brock." Peyton has played awful this season and it's sad to watch a legend go down in flames.

[Reerun_KC]

We would be saying the same thing if the Chiefs had their past success.

This.... They are used to a higher standard that we cant really comprehend...

[Mile High Mania]

I think next year, Denver will say, "oh that's why we should have played Brock." Peyton has played awful this season and it's sad to watch a legend go down in flames.

Possibly, but the only way they find out this year is if Manning is injured.

[ClevelandBronco]

6-0. There's nothing much to discuss at this point.

[TEX]

6-0. There's nothing much to discuss at this point.

Oh sure there is. For instance mirrors... Now if that turns into 19-0, you have a valid point.

[Hootie]

Anyone assuming a guy who has never started an NFL game will be better than anyone is making a ridiculous assumption

[FloridaMan88]

Alex Smith would actually be a better fit with Denver than Manning at this point.

The opportunity to be nothing more than a game manager to compliment their solid defense with the primary objective of not turning the ball over is Alex Smith's ultimate dream in his NFL life.

[Mile High Mania]

Alex Smith would actually be a better fit with Denver than Manning at this point.

The opportunity to be nothing more than a game manager to compliment their solid defense with the primary objective of not turning the ball over is Alex Smith's ultimate dream in his NFL life.

I see where you're going and I think he could be a poor man's Flacco or Schaub in Kubiak's offense, but I'd like my QB to have a little more upstairs and a bit more willingness to take a chance.

2016 was a marriage of 'have to' between Manning and Kubiak, John really wants the HC and wasn't willing (and rightfully so) to show Manning the door, so they have to co-exist for a year. Thankfully, Wade came in as well and is helping out with the defensive turnaround.

They "got the band back together" with the coaching staff, a group that John is very comfortable with... now, they have to figure out how to make this offense click better.

Sucks that Clady was lost so early and that the OL is in such disarray. While it cannot all be blamed on the OL, there's a lot of blame to throw that way.

Manning is maybe 70% of what he once was, but that's still better than a lot of other options. Their inability to run the ball is killing them.

Manning has had 40+ attempts in 4 of 6 games.

Manning only had that in 2 of the first 6 in 2014, and only 1 time in the final 6 of 2014.

The 39 year old QB isn't supposed to be throwing it that much... but, that's the state of things right now.

Through 6 games, only in Week 4 (MIN) did they have a near balanced attack with 24 rushes to 27 attempts. Every other game, they've had 11, 17, 23, 25 and 15 fewer rush attempts than passing.

Not the recipe they need, but if you want Brock out there this year... keep this pace up.

[Halfcan]

Manning isn't playing all that bad.

5 picks in the last two games. I hope he continues this pace-should set a career high.

Donks are going to get smashed in the playoffs again. But at least you are 6-0 and not 1-5. Enjoy. Your Defense scores more than our Offense. :harumph:

[Mile High Mania]

5 picks in the last two games. I hope he continues this pace-should set a career high.

Donks are going to get smashed in the playoffs again. But at least you are 6-0 and not 1-5. Enjoy. Your Defense scores more than our Offense. :harumph:

Almost as much... the playoffs are a long ways down the road.

[Hootie]

The hate for manning on this site continues to crack me up ... He's been mediocre this year, maybe even below average. But they're 6-0. Something tells me it's bizarro Denver this year and manning turns it on when the weather turns ... I've seen weirder things.

I'm still dumbfounded they don't let manning run more of his hurry up

[TEX]

Anyone assuming a guy who has never started an NFL game will be better than anyone is making a ridiculous assumption

This

[Hootie]

Denver fans are acting like manning is blocking Steve freaking Young or something

But hey, just goes to show ... The backup QB is always the most popular player on the team ... You know, until he's the starter

[listopencil]

I've seen the bandwagon fill up and then empty out a bunch of times over the last forty years or so. It doesn't bother me. Go ahead and jump off, fuckers. Gives me more room to stretch out.

[Mile High Mania]

Denver fans are acting like manning is blocking Steve freaking Young or something

But hey, just goes to show ... The backup QB is always the most popular player on the team ... You know, until he's the starter

I think the bulk of those calling for PM's benching have been a fan of the team for a short period of time OR have completely forgotten what it means to have a legit starter at QB, whether he is beat up, old, etc.

They want more sizzle with their 6-0 steak... I'm fine without the sizzle right now. The majority of what PM does still is good, and that's all I need to see.

At age 38, Elway started only 13 games in that final season and threw for shy of 2900 yards and 22 TDs. Peyton doesn't have the cast around him and a 2k yard rusher to take the heat off him right now, but that is what the defense is doing.

Cries for starting Brock now are akin to starting Bubby back then...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Don't worry knowmo. The creature gets you this year too. Denver has been lucky beyond hell.

[kcchiefsus]

The hate for manning on this site continues to crack me up ... He's been mediocre this year, maybe even below average. But they're 6-0. Something tells me it's bizarro Denver this year and manning turns it on when the weather turns ... I've seen weirder things.

I'm still dumbfounded they don't let manning run more of his hurry up

If anything Manning is bound to get worse as the season goes on and his body wears down.

[Mile High Mania]

And, unless I'm mistaken ... Brock is an UFA next year anyway. Either way, it's a new QB world in Denver for 2016. Maybe they can make a run at Kirk Cousins, maybe even retain Brock to see who wins the battle.

No need to sweat that now though...

[Mile High Mania]

If anything Manning is bound to get worse as the season goes on and his body wears down.

There's no doubt about it... especially with the number of 40+ attempt games he has already and no ground game to speak of really.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Cleveland takes over in game winning field goal range after Manning duck...mc cown craps his pants and they go backward. What a joke.

[Mile High Mania]

Cleveland takes over in game winning field goal range after Manning duck...mc cown craps his pants and they go backward. What a joke.

So, was it lucky that he crapped his pants? Or lucky that they got that INT... maybe lucky that Denver got all that pressure and the turnovers they tallied?

And, they weren't yet in game winning FG range... but the Denver defense was lucky enough to keep doing what they'd been doing.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Outplayed by the Browns. Yeah it got a little flesh this week.

[Mile High Mania]

CLE was just lucky that Thomas had those two drops... it's all about luck, right? I believe you were the one painting their defense as lucky with all those turnovers, scores and big momentum killing plays at the right moment.

Luck.

[Mile High Mania]

Outplayed by the Browns. Yeah it got a little flesh this week.

Really. Score, 1st downs, total yards, TOP, passing yards, rushing yards... sacks.

The Browns rallied in the 4th, I'll give 'em that. But, outplayed is a reach.

[cosmo20002]

JFC...we're undefeated, but I think we could be even more undefeated if we just change QBs...:facepalm:

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Maybe beat the Browns in regulation? They don't stupidly go for two they win. Charmed season in Pile High. The feast will be that much sweeter.

[Hootie]

Yep. Thomas dropped a pass in regulation that would've probably seen Denver win it before OT

Manning is struggling to an extent. And they're 6-0. Must be really tough to cheer for Denver.

[listopencil]

So, was it lucky that he crapped his pants? Or lucky that they got that INT... maybe lucky that Denver got all that pressure and the turnovers they tallied?

And, they weren't yet in game winning FG range... but the Denver defense was lucky enough to keep doing what they'd been doing.


Was that the INT that happened because one of our defenders grabbed his hip and turned him as he threw?

[Mile High Mania]

Was that the INT that happened because one of our defenders grabbed his hip and turned him as he threw?

Not sure... I was watching it with my daughter (who was sick), so I was paying about 85% attention to detail.

[listopencil]

Not sure... I was watching it with my daughter (who was sick), so I was paying about 85% attention to detail.

So many good plays from our Defense, I was actually remembering a 4th quarter play that took away a FG chance. Here's a GIF:


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[Mile High Mania]

So many good plays from our Defense, I was actually remembering a 4th quarter play that took away a FG chance. Here's a GIF:


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The defense is a lot of fun to watch... I'm not used to seeing anything like this on a regular basis, especially the pressure on the QB. It's fun, hopefully it continues as the talent they face gets better, which it will very quickly.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

The defense is a lot of fun to watch... I'm not used to seeing anything like this on a regular basis, especially the pressure on the QB. It's fun, hopefully it continues as the talent they face gets better, which it will very quickly.

Reminds me of the Chiefs 2013 team where they started 9-0. Great defense wreaking havoc and carrying the lackluster offense. It all fell apart whenever KC started playing good teams and the offense was forced to contribute.

Will be interesting to see if Denver is in the same spot once they play legitimate opponents. Not gonna chop on a team that is undefeated and holding a comfortable division lead, but their opening schedule of Baltimore, Chiefs, Lions, Vikings, Raiders, and Browns (combined W-L of 10-24 with 3 of them having only 1 win) is incredibly reminiscent of the situation the 2013 Chiefs ran into whenever everyone was thinking they had something on their hands. Only to find out that they were severely lacking the offense that is needed to keep up with the good teams of the NFL, never mind the great ones that will get in the way of a SB run. Which is the only thing that would justify keeping Peyton in for one last year whenever they have their hopeful QB of the future wasting away on the bench during his contract year.

I'd at least want to see what you have in Brock before giving him an extension or tagging the man for next year.

[Mile High Mania]

I'm not suggesting they have to tag him... but, I'm not willing to see what he has at the expense of everything else.

Denver's opponents have unfortunately not been as good as they should have been. KC and BAL are down and teams like DET and MIN should be better with the talent they have, but they're not.

Oh well.

They'll definitely not have that problem in the next 5 weeks.

There are no guarantees that Denver's defense can keep this pace up against the likes of the Packers, Patriots, etc... but nothing says they won't and the games are in Denver, so that's a plus.

[vailpass]

First world problems. Gotta' love 'em...

[TLO]

I can see the Broncos going 12-4 or 13-3 and losing in the first round of the playoffs. It'll be interesting to see how Manning reacts to the cold with not much of a running game to back hon up.

[TLO]

Reminds me of the Chiefs 2013 team where they started 9-0. Great defense wreaking havoc and carrying the lackluster offense. It all fell apart whenever KC started playing good teams and the offense was forced to contribute.

Will be interesting to see if Denver is in the same spot once they play legitimate opponents. Not gonna chop on a team that is undefeated and holding a comfortable division lead, but their opening schedule of Baltimore, Chiefs, Lions, Vikings, Raiders, and Browns (combined W-L of 10-24 with 3 of them having only 1 win) is incredibly reminiscent of the situation the 2013 Chiefs ran into whenever everyone was thinking they had something on their hands. Only to find out that they were severely lacking the offense that is needed to keep up with the good teams of the NFL, never mind the great ones that will get in the way of a SB run. Which is the only thing that would justify keeping Peyton in for one last year whenever they have their hopeful QB of the future wasting away on the bench during his contract year.

I'd at least want to see what you have in Brock before giving him an extension or tagging the man for next year.
Is that you, Bob?

[manchambo]

The hate for manning on this site continues to crack me up ... He's been mediocre this year, maybe even below average. But they're 6-0. Something tells me it's bizarro Denver this year and manning turns it on when the weather turns ... I've seen weirder things.

I'm still dumbfounded they don't let manning run more of his hurry up

Maybe below average? He leads the league in interceptions. By QBR he's ranked 24. He is one of the worst QBs in the game right now.

The reason they changed offenses, by the way, is that this precipitous fall-off started last year, and because the team got its poop pushed in twice in the post-season.

Many people who watch these games closely realize that, despite the current record, there is zero chance that Manning will win a post-season game this year. That's an awful waste with a seriously good defense. Would Osweiler be better? Who knows. He couldn't be very much worse. We know that, unlike Manning, he is physically capable of playing QB at this point. He looked quite good in the pre-season, which of course does not tell us how he will do in real game action. But this could be a Dilfer-type superbowl team.

And all Oz would have to do to hurt the team less than Manning currently is would be to throw less than 4 interceptions per game.

[listopencil]

I'm not suggesting they have to tag him... but, I'm not willing to see what he has at the expense of everything else.

Denver's opponents have unfortunately not been as good as they should have been. KC and BAL are down and teams like DET and MIN should be better with the talent they have, but they're not.

Oh well.

They'll definitely not have that problem in the next 5 weeks.

There are no guarantees that Denver's defense can keep this pace up against the likes of the Packers, Patriots, etc... but nothing says they won't and the games are in Denver, so that's a plus.

It's heartening to see the Offense show glimpses of competency. They can make plays. They can occasionally maintain drives. They aren't bereft of talent, they're just dysfunctional. The first thing they needed to do was fix that O-Line and it is showing very slow incremental improvement so there is that. The next thing after that (not that the O-Line is fixed) is to stop the mental/physical mistakes from the Offense as a whole: Dropped balls, players out of position, bad decisions by Manning, lack of aggression, loss of focus, lack of situational awareness, etc. After that comes the playbook: PMFM said in his last press conference that he and Kubiak are still working on it. He said that they have a constant dialog and that they share the same goal so they will continue to work towards an offensive philosophy that produces results. Meanwhile our Defense is saving our ass over and over and over again. I can't thank you enough Wade Phillips.

[Hootie]

Meh. People gave up on Tom Brady last year, too. You don't bench Peyton Manning lmao. Not going to happen.

[listopencil]

Instead of crying like babies and calling for the benching of PMFM, Bronco fans should be sending "thank you" notes to the Cincinnati Bengals for not allowing us to hire Vance Joseph. Thanks, dickheads. That actually worked out really, really well for us.

[Valiant]

Manning isn't playing all that bad.

He is not, but those skills are slipping fast. I don't think you can win a playoff game with him now. Come winter and when you have to play any playoff teams I think you see what you have.

I mean look at your team.

Beat a bad Baltimore team at home. 1-5
Took Alex Smith for you to barely beat KC on the road. 1-5
Close game until the 4th for Detroit, 1-5
Squeaked out a win vs. an avg. Vikes team. 3-2
Another squeaker vs. the Raiders. 2-3
Cleveland steamer. 2-4...

Denver is barely beating bad to average teams. What happens against good and playoff teams come winter and playoffs?

You look like the Chiefs when they started off against scrubs a couple years ago. Teams beat so far combined 10-24

[Mile High Mania]

Many people who watch these games closely realize that, despite the current record, there is zero chance that Manning will win a post-season game this year. That's an awful waste with a seriously good defense. Would Osweiler be better? Who knows. He couldn't be very much worse. We know that, unlike Manning, he is physically capable of playing QB at this point. He looked quite good in the pre-season, which of course does not tell us how he will do in real game action.

Ok, here we go. First off, saying there is zero chance of anything is silly. Hell, you may be one of those that said there was zero chance Tebow would beat Big Ben in the playoffs a few years ago. Weird shit happens.

You're telling me that Brock could shake off throwing a pick 6 by throwing a 75 yard TD strike on the next series? Puh-leeze.

Manning's time is drawing to a close, quicker than many would like... but saying that Brock is more ready or by default a better option is outright insanity. And, comparing regular season to preseason... c'mon, you know better than that.


Denver is barely beating bad to average teams. What happens against good and playoff teams come winter and playoffs?


There is no doubt about that and if we were 3-3 or 4-2 at this point, my stance is likely a whole lot different. We don't have to wait for winter or the playoffs... after the bye week, it gets real serious real quick.

[Hootie]

I don't think they'll win a meaningful postseason game with manning, either. Pats just too good. But ... Does Brock really give them a shot? I mean, if you say yes, you're just talking out of your ass. No one knows and you don't just bench Peyton Manning.

Of course, after the Chiefs thumping the pats took last year this same made up controversy hit the airwaves concerning a "uncomfortable reality of a fading Tom Brady" so I'd expect nothing less

[manchambo]

I don't think they'll win a meaningful postseason game with manning, either. Pats just too good. But ... Does Brock really give them a shot? I mean, if you say yes, you're just talking out of your ass. No one knows and you don't just bench Peyton Manning.

Of course, after the Chiefs thumping the pats took last year this same made up controversy hit the airwaves concerning a "uncomfortable reality of a fading Tom Brady" so I'd expect nothing less

They might as well find out what they have in Brock. What they have in Manning is a player who no longer has the physical tools.

[Hootie]

They might as well find out what they have in Brock. What they have in Manning is a player who no longer has the physical tools.
That's just ridiculous. They are 6-0. Manning is a team leader. Yeah, I'm sure that would just go over great in the locker room lmao

[Mile High Mania]

That's just ridiculous. They are 6-0. Manning is a team leader. Yeah, I'm sure that would just go over great in the locker room lmao

This.

[Hootie]

1-5? 0-6? Yep. Sorry Peyton, but the young guy has to play. 6-0? Lol lol lol lol lol lol

"The uncomfortable reality of a fading Tom Brady" part 2. New system, two stubborn offensive guys ... Defense carries them and they figure it out around week 10.

If Denver wants to be mad at anyone, it's CJ Anderson. Dude blows.

[Mile High Mania]

1-5? 0-6? Yep. Sorry Peyton, but the young guy has to play. 6-0? Lol lol lol lol lol lol

"The uncomfortable reality of a fading Tom Brady" part 2. New system, two stubborn offensive guys ... Defense carries them and they figure it out around week 10.

If Denver wants to be mad at anyone, it's CJ Anderson. Dude blows.

The fact there are 4 new starters on the OL and a new scheme might have something to do with that... it's not all the OL, but it's a mix of everything.

They've adjusted from Kubiak's plan, to Manning's and with the compromise of the Pistol. Lots of change. If the WRs didn't drop a few of these passes each game, it's a much different story.

If Manning threw a bit crisper and didn't look like he was passing a kidney stone with each pass, that would help. Again, a combo of many things and they will spend the next two weeks figuring it out and building on it.

6-0 gives them a nice cushion and the division... well, nobody is saying they want to finish 2nd at this point, so it's all about positioning for their best chance in the post season.

10 games left and 6 are in Denver... that's good. In December, they play 4 games and only 1 is away, Steelers. The final game is Jan 3rd and @ Chargers... nice warm San Diego.

[MagicHef]

It's kinda funny to me and now we have to listen to this for the next two weeks... most of the fan base is definitely spoiled. Contrary to an earlier post, Manning has looked like hell a lot this season and it's not because of Kubiak or new players, the guy is passing kidney stones with every throw it appears.

Father Time is undefeated and while Manning is going down with a fight, it's tough to watch at times. Still, I'll take this Manning over Brock or 1/2 the other options in the league with this defense.

It will be very interesting to see what this defense does vs the Packers, Colts, Patriots and Bengals... they're the key. It's a total 180 from recent years and we've seen what that brought us, so I'll somewhat reluctantly roll forward and let whatever happens take place.

I'm pretty sure he's always looked like that, at least during his time in Denver. Here's a picture of him throwing a TD in 2013. Honestly, the picture doesn't really do justice to the video. He looks like he's having a bone reset or something as he throws this ball:

[manchambo]

That's just ridiculous. They are 6-0. Manning is a team leader. Yeah, I'm sure that would just go over great in the locker room lmao

Then we have to accept that they will get killed in the playoffs, if not before, and squander a historically good defense.

I expect they will do exactly that. But it isn't what they should do.

What should happen is that Manning retires right now. But that won't happen either.

[oaklandhater]

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[tk13]

They had a stat on ESPN that he's only completing about 34% of his passes over 15 yards. The last two years it's been just under 50%. I said in preseason he doesn't look the same to me. They are getting by and winning games, and that's what matters. I have a feeling that if it goes south it's going to be ugly though.

[Mr. Laz]

Denver just needs to commit to 1 offensive system for the rest of the year. Bouncing back and forth between 2 is just dumb because neither system is polished enough.

Just run Manning's offense for one more year and then he's gone. Do the best you can with it.

Next year draft one and sign one to go with Osweiller and move on.


That said, i hope they do none of this and end up falling apart. :fire:

[Mennonite]

I hope every Broncos fan dies of ass cancer.

[Hootie]

I've watched a lot of Denver this year and he's missed Emmanuel deep about 15 times, half of them being off of his hands albeit all tough catches. Demaryius also has had a few dropped TDs, too. So, while manning isn't playing great by any means, he's not getting a lot of help, either

[manchambo]

I've watched a lot of Denver this year and he's missed Emmanuel deep about 15 times, half of them being off of his hands albeit all tough catches. Demaryius also has had a few dropped TDs, too. So, while manning isn't playing great by any means, he's not getting a lot of help, either

There have been some drops, though I'm not sure any more than normal. The most obvious problem is that the ball is almost never on target.

[Hootie]

manchambo I'm sure it's really frustrating to be a Denver fan right now ... how are you taking it? 6-0? OMG

Brock Osweiler will rescue you guys! You have a much better shot at beating New England with Brock! You're right!

[manchambo]

manchambo I'm sure it's really frustrating to be a Denver fan right now ... how are you taking it? 6-0? OMG

Brock Osweiler will rescue you guys! You have a much better shot at beating New England with Brock! You're right!

.00001 is better than zero. The man cannot play. The statistics and plain eyesight show it plainly. He cannot make the throws. It will get worse, not better as the team (1) faces better competition, and (2) Peyton follows his normal pattern of wearing down.

[Hootie]

lmao @ hos sliding into 1st again .... come on bruh

[ClevelandBronco]

He is not, but those skills are slipping fast. I don't think you can win a playoff game with him now. Come winter and when you have to play any playoff teams I think you see what you have.

I mean look at your team.

Beat a bad Baltimore team at home. 1-5
Took Alex Smith for you to barely beat KC on the road. 1-5
Close game until the 4th for Detroit, 1-5
Squeaked out a win vs. an avg. Vikes team. 3-2
Another squeaker vs. the Raiders. 2-3
Cleveland steamer. 2-4...

Denver is barely beating bad to average teams. What happens against good and playoff teams come winter and playoffs?

You look like the Chiefs when they started off against scrubs a couple years ago. Teams beat so far combined 10-24

A pitiful combined 10-24, yes, but six of those 24 losses are directly attributable to playing against Denver. Let's say those team don't play the Broncos and instead play a weak sister from the AFC West (not naming any particular team, mind you). Against that shitty AFC West team, Baltimore might be 2-4 instead of 1-5, Detroit could be 2-4, Vikes 4-2 (is this one cheating a little?), Raiders 3-3, Cleveland 3-3. If the Broncos don't beat them, those five teams could have been a combined 14-16, (16-20 if that other disappointing team the Broncos played could have held serve at Arrowhead). The Broncos are beating some pretty average teams … except perhaps for yours.

[ODESSABRONC]

Denver just needs to commit to 1 offensive system for the rest of the year. Bouncing back and forth between 2 is just dumb because neither system is polished enough.

Just run Manning's offense for one more year and then he's gone. Do the best you can with it.

Next year draft one and sign one to go with Osweiller and move on.


That said, i hope they do none of this and end up falling apart. :fire:

They are committed to Kubiak's scheme. The major difference is that the offenses is being operated out shot gun and the pistol.

[Mile High Mania]

Watching the MNF game and the likes of Eli and Bradford... who is doing a great impersonation of a 39 year old Peyton stat line, well gimme Peyton.

Lots of teams have QB issues.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

THEY remind me of that fraud Denver team with Orton that started 6-0

[ClevelandBronco]

THEY remind me of that fraud Denver team with Orton that started 6-0

It's probably the uniforms.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

...or the flukes on the field. Either one.

[Hootie]

THEY remind me of that fraud Denver team with Orton that started 6-0

only they'll end up 13-3 or 13-4 or 14-2 and either lose in the divisional or championship ...

the AFC sucks other than New England ... who is going to go 19-0 this year

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Yeah Pats are in a league of their own and Cincy Pitt are much better than Denver.

[RunKC]

only they'll end up 13-3 or 13-4 or 14-2 and either lose in the divisional or championship ...

the AFC sucks other than New England ... who is going to go 19-0 this year

I would highly suggest that you watch the Bengals because they are the most talented overall team in the NFL.

They've been a top 5 talented team for a couple years but it looks like Dalton finally has turned it on.

I would bet on a Bengals/Patriots AFCCG

[ClevelandBronco]

Five undefeated teams in the NFL.
Broncos - Opponents' overall record: 10-24
Bengals - Opponents' overall record: 11-24
Packers - Opponents' overall record: 11-24
Panthers - Opponents' overall record: 9-20
Patriots - Opponents' overall record: 13-16

[Hootie]

ha

so suddenly Andy Dalton is a hero on this board ... and suddenly the Bengals are the most talented team in the NFL

...hahahaha

riiiight

Let's see them win a playoff game first before we make asinine claims like that.

[MMXcalibur]

You spoiled bitches.

[ClevelandBronco]

You spoiled bitches.

PBJ PBJ PBJ

[Mile High Mania]

Five undefeated teams in the NFL.
Broncos - Opponents' overall record: 10-24
Bengals - Opponents' overall record: 11-24
Packers - Opponents' overall record: 11-24
Panthers - Opponents' overall record: 9-20
Patriots - Opponents' overall record: 13-16

Stellar data... the 'great teams' have apparently all played the crap teams.