Dee Ford appreciation thread

[Mr. Laz]

I've been as hard on him as anyone.

He really showed up today


:clap:

[teedubya]

Amazing game by Ford today.

[Trivers]

1 quick step forward. Still a project.

Rep to Dorsey.

[notorious]

Fuck the haters.

[cabletech94]

Looks like this kid wants to stay in this league.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Bust.

[Buck]

Don't forget he was playing against our 11th O-Lineman.

[thabear04]

Great game by Ford.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Don't forget he was playing against our 11th O-Lineman.

Yep.

[TrebMaxx]

Well played game, kudo's to Ford.

[chief4life]

Have yourself a day Dee Ford! 3 sacks and a couple hurries and most importantly the knock away at end of the game. All the haters need to eat crow now! :clap:

[Red Dawg]

Had a few big plays but has long way to go. He did get three sacks so he was a big part of the win. He is very lucky not to have gotten a PI in the end zone. He has no business covering Danny.

[Aspengc8]

Dodged a bullet with that last play PI against woodhead, but he did play much improved vs a crappier O-line.

[-King-]

He should go train with Freeney in the off season and learn that inside spin move. He'd be deadly with that
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[RINGLEADER]

I've been tough on him but he did bring it. That was an impressive performance.

[ModSocks]

Don't forget he was playing against our 11th O-Lineman.

And he shat all over him too.

[teedubya]

Regardless, this is huge for his confidence. You can build an attitude and a mindset after you've done it before. I'm happy for him.

[Rausch]

His raw talent is there.

That said he's got a long way to being an every down player. Hell, even an every 3rd-down pass rusher...

[chief4life]

Don't forget he was playing against our 11th O-Lineman.

Who cares he brought his lunch pail to work today. We have no effect of who lines up. That last play of the game had nothing to do with your O-lineman :harumph:

[notorious]

If Houston gets 3 sacks against a 3rd stringer, it's still impressive.


Don't shit on his Ford's performance today. The kid played well.

[milkman]

Had a few big plays but has long way to go. He did get three sacks so he was a big part of the win. He is very lucky not to have gotten a PI in the end zone. He has no business covering Danny.

No, he wasn't lucky to not get flagged.

That was outstanding, textbook, coverage,

[eDave]

Game ball?

[kccrow]

I'm not going to eat crow just yet, even JaMarcus Russell threw for over 250 yards once. I will say though, the kid had an impressive game and showed that there might be some hope there after all.

[chief4life]

If Houston gets 3 sacks against a 3rd stringer, it's still impressive.


Don't shit on his Ford's performance today. The kid played well.

This well said :thumb:

[Rausch]

If Houston gets 3 sacks against a 3rd stringer, it's still impressive.


Don't shit on his Ford's performance today. The kid played well.

He was the Anti-J. Allen.

He played like ass all day long and then stepped it up when it mattered.

[TimBone]

Had a few big plays but has long way to go. He did get three sacks so he was a big part of the win. He is very lucky not to have gotten a PI in the end zone. He has no business covering Danny.

Dodged a bullet with that last play PI against woodhead, but he did play much improved vs a crappier O-line.


I need to see a replay. It looked clean to me. I was more impressed with that, than with any of his sacks. That said, what was Sutton thinking with that call?

[MotherfuckerJones]

Game ball Dee Ford. Good game man. Showing progress and flashes.

[Aspengc8]

No, he wasn't lucky to not get flagged.

That was outstanding, textbook, coverage,

He didn't look for the ball and whacked Dannys arm before the ball got there. He played a hell of a game but that was a last play dodged bullet.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Dee's Nuts balled out.

[eDave]

Dee-fence won the game today.

[Sandy Vagina]

well done today, young man! keep improving! :clap:

[Mr. Laz]

Ford should have never been in coverage like that


That's on Sutton


Sutton had a shitty,shitty day despite the win

[milkman]

He didn't look for the ball and whacked Dannys arm before the ball got there. He played a hell of a game but that was a last play dodged bullet.

No.

Just rewatched.
He hit the arm just as the ball hit Woodhead's hand.

Perfectly timed.

[scho63]

One great game does not make a career make.
Let's hope this starts him going in the right direction because up until today, he's done jack shit.

Let's all hope there also isn't 15 new Dee Ford threads today.

[-King-]

Ford should have never been in coverage like that


That's on Sutton


Sutton had a shitty,shitty day despite the win

The defense allowed 3 points and 280 yards. Yeah Sutton had a shitty day.
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[Pitt Gorilla]

Ford should have never been in coverage like that


That's on Sutton


Sutton had a shitty,shitty day despite the winsutton's defense held SD to 3 points. What would be evidence of a good day?

[milkman]

One great game does not make a career make.
Let's hope this starts him going in the right direction because up until today, he's done jack shit.

Let's all hope there also isn't 15 new Dee Ford threads today.

I don't know.

Might be a nice reprieve from the 20 Alex Smith threads.

[Rausch]

Ugly...ugly...















UGLIEST TEAM TO EVER SWEEP THE DIVISION ON THE ROAD!

[notorious]

The defense allowed 3 points. Yeah Sutton had a shitty day.
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[eDave]

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This

[Chief Northman]

Ford should have never been in coverage like that


That's on Sutton


Sutton had a shitty,shitty day despite the win

I want what you are smoking. 3 points surrendered and our defensive playcalling was shitty. Yeah ok.

I can admit some guys had poor performances (Parker, Mauga, Berry to a degree), but execution is on the players. Andy's refusal to run the ball more and penalties allowed the game to be in question at the end.

[Rausch]

Ford should have never been in coverage like that



It's his job.

Plenty of people thought the same of Houston in his rookie year...

[bricks]

Dee Ford puts the DEE in DEE-FENSE!

That's how we spell that term right guys? At least after today haha

[tmax63]

It's good to see him have some success. As long as he keeps working and it's easier to keep working when you have a game like that.

[notorious]

Dee Ford puts the DEE in DEE-FENSE!

That's how we spell that term right guys? At least after today haha

He put the D in San Diego's V.

[Kman34]

Well.... Hopefully this game gives him some confidence and is a springboard to more.... Now Houston, Tomba, and Dee Ford on the field at the sametime could be lethal...

[bricks]

He put the D in San Diego's V.

AL0CMbSsUNU

[Aspengc8]

Well.... Hopefully this game gives him some confidence and is a springboard to more.... Now Houston, Tomba, and Dee Ford on the field at the sametime could be lethal...

Why?

[TimBone]

He didn't look for the ball and whacked Dannys arm before the ball got there. He played a hell of a game but that was a last play dodged bullet.

No.

Just rewatched.
He hit the arm just as the ball hit Woodhead's hand.

Perfectly timed.
I just saw Aspengc8's posts in the other Dee Ford thread. Apparently he's labeled Dee as an absolute bust, and is going to argue anything he can to defend his position. I'll keep a mental note to disregard anything he has to say regarding Dee from here forward.

I thought the play looked clean. Thanks for confirming, Milkman.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Gotta chime in too on this one. I've done nothing but rip him, but for today at least, the guy played his ass off.

[Rausch]

Gotta chime in too on this one. I've done nothing but rip him, but for today at least, the guy played his ass off.

To be fair he was mostly invisible until the 4th but, hey, that's when big time players step up...

[Mr. Laz]

I want what you are smoking. 3 points surrendered and our defensive playcalling was shitty. Yeah ok.

I can admit some guys had poor performances (Parker, Mauga, Berry to a degree), but execution is on the players. Andy's refusal to run the ball more and penalties allowed the game to be in question at the end.

we won, how dare you question Andy's playcalling.

[Rausch]

we won, how dare you question Andy's playcalling.

It's $3it.

I don't care who takes the blame...

[Mr. Laz]

It's $3it.

I don't care who takes the blame...
Just because we won doesn't excuse shitty playcalling on either side of the ball.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Not every game is going to be pretty, especially a game against a divisional opponent who you just whooped 3 weeks ago.

A win is a win.

[Tribal Warfare]

Game ball goes to Poe today he made it possible for Ford to have a good game.

I'm relieved that Dontari is now playing like he's finally back.

[Pitt Gorilla]

we won, how dare you question Andy's playcalling.

We scored 10 points. Offensive criticism is probably warranted.

[Kman34]

Why?

Because.... FU

[RINGLEADER]

We scored 10 points. Offensive criticism is probably warranted.

This is the point.

We should have scored at least 23 today but didn't because of penalties, play-calling, and turnovers. Part of it was Andy and part of it was the players crapping themselves.

[BigRedChief]

I've done nothing but rip him, but for today at least, the guy played his ass off.And rightfully so.

He obviously has the physical tools to be a top DE. I don't know what his issue was. Does he have trouble with the playbook, have learning disabilites? Who knows.

Someone with the physical skills that we saw today at the DE position should not take 3 years to play to their talent level. Put hand on ground. Go get QB.

This is his 3rd year with 3 games left. It's about time he figured it out. Better late than never.

[Chiefshrink]

Dorsey breathing a temporary sigh of relief I'm sure:D

[Chiefshrink]

But remember it's the SD practice squad decimated OLine he went against today. Don't get to excited.:D

[2bikemike]

I appreciate the effort Dee Ford gave today I just hope he doesn't come down with the Flu from hanging out with Rivers all day. :D

[milkman]

And rightfully so.

He obviously has the physical tools to be a top DE. I don't know what his issue was. Does he have trouble with the playbook, have learning disabilites? Who knows.

Someone with the physical skills that we saw today at the DE position should not take 3 years to play to their talent level. Put hand on ground. Go get QB.

This is his 3rd year with 3 games left. It's about time he figured it out. Better late than never.

His issue, like Eric Fisher before him, is that he is a project that has to learn technique and needs to get stronger.

He was a college DE that relied on his speed as a pass rusher, who was not a good run defender and was never used to cover, learning a new position in the NFL.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

It's way to soon to label this guy a stud instead of a bust, but he is showing improvement and real potential, which means he's definitely on the right path.

[-King-]

His issue, like Eric Fisher before him, is that he is a project that has to learn technique and needs to get stronger.

He was a college DE that relied on his speed as a pass rusher, who was not a good run defender and was never used to cover, learning a new position in the NFL.

And since Hali has played better than expected the past 2 seasons, Ford doesn't get too many game reps. That can hurt a young developing player
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[RunKC]

His issue, like Eric Fisher before him, is that he is a project that has to learn technique and needs to get stronger.

He was a college DE that relied on his speed as a pass rusher, who was not a good run defender and was never used to cover, learning a new position in the NFL.

Did you see him with his hand on the ground? Looks like Sutton was trying to keep him comfortable since he's still learning.

[Saccopoo]

And since Hali has played better than expected the past 2 seasons, Ford doesn't get too many game reps. That can hurt a young developing player
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Hali is absolutely destroying people right now.

Very good game by Ford.

[keg in kc]

I thought ending the game in coverage was maybe more impressive than the 3 sacks. Half of me thinks "why the fuck was he in coverage on the last play of the game" and the other half thinks "wow, they trust him in coverage on the last play of the game". And it worked, at least enough to win.

He needs to continue to add moves to his arsenal, and he's still running himself out of sacks, but maybe in time we'll all see what they saw when they drafted him.

[BigCatDaddy]

His issue, like Eric Fisher before him, is that he is a project that has to learn technique and needs to get stronger.

He was a college DE that relied on his speed as a pass rusher, who was not a good run defender and was never used to cover, learning a new position in the NFL.

Is that worthy of a 1st though ? OLB that has to sit for nearly 2 years?

[Saccopoo]

Is that worthy of a 1st though ? OLB that has to sit for nearly 2 years?

When he's sitting (and learning) behind Hali and Houston it is.

[Yellow tux]

Reminds me of early Larry Johnson hate

[Mr. Laz]

Is that worthy of a 1st though ? OLB that has to sit for nearly 2 years?
We'll never know whether he needed to sit for nearly 2 years or not. He did here because of Hali/Houston. Maybe he would only need 1/2 a season if he was thrown out there.

dunno

hell, maybe this was just a one hitter wonder and he'll suck forever.

dunno

[Mr. Laz]

Reminds me of early Larry Johnson hate
Larry Johnson deserved every iota of hate he got.

He was a douche.

[milkman]

Is that worthy of a 1st though ? OLB that has to sit for nearly 2 years?

I believe that Dorsey believes that he has a really high ceiling, so from his perspective, then yes, he is worthy.

[NJChiefsFan]

This is the point.

We should have scored at least 23 today but didn't because of penalties, play-calling, and turnovers. Part of it was Andy and part of it was the players crapping themselves.

I was most irritated in the 4th when we were just outside of field goal range and Andy passed it on first and second down. With how we were running all game, that was the time to get into field goal range.

[notorious]

I was most irritated in the 4th when we were just outside of field goal range and Andy passed it on first and second down. With how we were running all game, that was the time to get into field goal range.

Reid redefined the term "retarded" today.


I don't understand how our coach thinks. This is basic stuff.

[BigCatDaddy]

I believe that Dorsey believes that he has a really high ceiling, so from his perspective, then yes, he is worthy.

Just an odd scenario only getting a 1st for about 3 years on a rookie contract.

[O.city]

I would guess they thought Tamba was done after last year and ford would take over as the starter

[BigCatDaddy]

I would guess they thought Tamba was done after last year and ford would take over as the starter

I think so to and Tamba looked done after last year.

[milkman]

Just an odd scenario only getting a 1st for about 3 years on a rookie contract.

Drafting first round projects is a gamble.

There's no guarantee he'll pan out, and if he does, there's no guarantee you'll be able to sign them after their rookie contract expires.

But sometimes you just have to gamble.

[Mr. Laz]

Just an odd scenario only getting a 1st for about 3 years on a rookie contract.
Dorsey works that way.

He thought Hali might be washed up or they might lose Houston to FA.

Ford was the backup plan for both scenarios.

He drafted Fisher because he pretty much knew he was losing Albert.


Dorsey drafts for upcoming needs.

[Direckshun]

I'm incredibly proud of Ford. There was a moment at the end of the game -- when he deflected that pass away from Woodhead, where his teammates surrounded him and gave him the love that he'd worked so hard for so long to deserve.

It was reminiscent of Eric Berry's 1st interception deep into his rookie season, when the pressure started to mount and everyone was wondering why he hadn't secured one. Berry intercepted the ball, ran in elaborate loops for thirty seconds before he was finally tackled, and Flowers helped him up as the rest of the team gathered around him.

Those two celebrations, there was a tenor there that is missing from the usual celebration on the field. There was a cathartic release to them, rather than pure jubilation. It is one of the chief reasons I watch football.

[Direckshun]

One other thing to note -- Dee Ford is in peerless shape. It's probably due to the fact that he's so fresh, but against the Raiders last week and the Chargers this week, he worked his ass off all game and put his best work in deep in the 4th quarter.

He's still got a long way to go -- he still can't defend the run, like, AT ALL -- but today was such a great sign, considering that it was his SECOND career start.

[Eleazar]

Ford is definitely benefiting from the CP brain trust reverse-jinx.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I was most irritated in the 4th when we were just outside of field goal range and Andy passed it on first and second down. With how we were running all game, that was the time to get into field goal range.

Ya I went nuts. We could've just run it down there throat. We ran well today.

[Sandy Vagina]

Dorsey drafts for upcoming needs.

.. and love it or hate it, I am sensing KC goes right after that special OT fatty in rd 1 this draft.

[Strongside]

Look the dude had a great game, but I think "Breakout season" is a bit premature from NFL.com. It's the first time all season the dude has done jack shit.

http://i.imgur.com/XcMxjOp.png

[stevieray]

Ford is definitely benefiting from the CP brain trust reverse-jinx.

^

LMAO

[Smed1065]

"If I had listened to the noise, I wouldn't have been ready (for this opportunity)," Ford said after Sunday's win. "Through last year and this year, I had to be patient. Whatever your role is, you have to play it out."

[Ragged Robin]

This is the point.

We should have scored at least 23 today but didn't because of penalties, play-calling, and turnovers. Part of it was Andy and part of it was the players crapping themselves.

Kelce took 10 points off the board by himself ROFL

[mdchiefsfan]

I need to see a replay. It looked clean to me. I was more impressed with that, than with any of his sacks. That said, what was Sutton thinking with that call?

It doesn't always work out the way it's drawn. I could be wrong, but I would think there is a general plan that gets evaluated by DJ/Berry and adjusted. If the offense audibles and adjusts to the defense, I fail to see how Sutton could designate who covers who. The offense lined up to where Ford was assigned that coverage, and he performed well.

[Hammock Parties]

I'll eat my crow. He's at least as good as R-Kal Truluck. Previously I had thought he was complete bust status.

[Direckshun]

I'll eat my crow. He's at least as good as R-Kal Truluck. Previously I had thought he was complete bust status.

Always give draft picks, particularly defensive linemen, three years before you definitively weigh in.

[Buzz]

He played better, criticism and a chip on your shoulder, the dude might start kicking azz.

[Hammock Parties]

Always give draft picks, particularly defensive linemen, three years before you definitively weigh in.

Sorry, but there are too many examples of 1st round outside pass rushers hitting immediately for me to give that kind of leeway to Dee Ford. The position is NOT like WR or OL or CB.

The guy has definitely under performed thus far. If he goes back to being a ghost, fuck giving him any more time.

[SeeingRed]

3 sacks......It eat all you haters

[Direckshun]

Sorry, but there are too many examples of 1st round outside pass rushers hitting immediately for me to give that kind of leeway to Dee Ford. The position is NOT like WR or OL or CB.

The guy has definitely under performed thus far. If he goes back to being a ghost, **** giving him any more time.

He's underperformed by... ?

Not beating out Hali or Houston for a starting job?

[Hammock Parties]

He's underperformed by... ?

Not beating out Hali or Houston for a starting job?

By not performing in his opportunities on the field.

[BossChief]

By not performing in his opportunities on the field.last week he hit Carr and forced the int to Mauga...

This week

3 sacks
5 hurries
Pass breakup that won the game

Seems that making the most of his opportunities

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

It should be noted that despite the pouring rain, he was able to figure out how to create pressure when those conditions typically favor the OL

[Anyong Bluth]

Busted nut.

[emoji108]

[Anyong Bluth]

"If I had listened to the noise, I wouldn't have been ready (for this opportunity)," Ford said after Sunday's win. "Through last year and this year, I had to be patient. Whatever your role is, you have to play it out."

Dee clearly reads CP.

[Direckshun]

By not performing in his opportunities on the field.

If you extrapolate his production in 2014 over 990 snaps (about what Hali played), he ends up with about 8 sacks. As it stands, he ended up with 1.5 on about 150 snaps.

So...?

[Hammock Parties]

If you extrapolate his production in 2014 over 990 snaps (about what Hali played), he ends up with about 8 sacks. As it stands, he ended up with 1.5 on about 150 snaps.

So...?

Go to bed and wait for Dee Ford to show up in more than one game this year.

[DaNewGuy]

Why are you trying to talk football with Clay? You know that's not
His Strong suit

[Direckshun]

Go to bed and wait for Dee Ford to show up in more than one game this year.

He's played two games in his NFL career.

Getting three sacks in his second game is fucking epic, wouldn't you say.

[Aspengc8]

He's played two games in his NFL career.

Getting three sacks in his second game is ****ing epic, wouldn't you say.

He had one good sack where he beat the tackle with one move. The other was coverage and then the one where the LT was on the wrong snap count (or blown protection). 3 sacks is still 3 sacks, I'm just looking at how the play developed overall. It seems that 90% of the snaps he is just running up field and taking himself out of the play. One they straighten that out he should be fine. Maybe add 20lbs as well for run leverage.

I just saw Aspengc8's posts in the other Dee Ford thread. Apparently he's labeled Dee as an absolute bust, and is going to argue anything he can to defend his position. I'll keep a mental note to disregard anything he has to say regarding Dee from here forward.

I thought the play looked clean. Thanks for confirming, Milkman.

lol ROFL

[Gonzo]

meh. He did good but youve gotta think that if Houston was out there and at 100%, Rivers would've been seeing turf a helluva lot more.

[DaFace]

meh. He did good but youve gotta think that if Houston was out there and at 100%, Rivers would've been seeing turf a helluva lot more.
It's easy to "think" that the Chiefs would be better if Charles was still healthy, but the evidence suggests otherwise. Houston's hypothetical performance means nothing against a phenomenal performance by Ford.

[ThaVirus]

Why?


We've done it before.

Houston is a monster. He can rush from the interior.

[Saul Good]

It's easy to "think" that the Chiefs would be better if Charles was still healthy, but the evidence suggests otherwise. Houston's hypothetical performance means nothing against a phenomenal performance by Ford.

Exactly. The Chargers line is bad, but it's not like Ford had 3 sacks out of 9 total. Even on the "coverage sacks", he was the one who got to the QB. If anyone could have done it, then why weren't there 3 other Chiefs bringing down Rivers by the time Ford got there.

People are just clinging to stupid shit in order to validate their positions, and it only makes them look dumber...like the guy who is still trying to say that Cam Newton sucks. Being wrong isn't a big deal. Doubling down on it is what makes you look like an idiot.

[Tribal Warfare]

Exactly. The Chargers line is bad, but it's not like Ford had 3 sacks out of 9 total. Even on the "coverage sacks", he was the one who got to the QB. If anyone could have done it, then why weren't there 3 other Chiefs bringing down Rivers by the time Ford got there.

People are just clinging to stupid shit in order to validate their positions, and it only makes them look dumber...like the guy who is still trying to say that Cam Newton sucks. Being wrong isn't a big deal. Doubling down on it is what makes you look like an idiot.

Watch the D-line play Poe was collapsing the pocket and was constantly in Rivers' face. The guy was taking up 2-3 blockers all day too



Poe was the reason Ford had a chance to have a good game

[DaFace]

Watch the D-line play Poe was collapsing the pocket and was constantly in Rivers' face.



Poe was the reason Ford had a chance to have a good game

By this statement, are you implying all of Houston's sacks are entirely on his own merit and that Poe never has anything to do with those either?

[Tribal Warfare]

By this statement, are you implying all of Houston's sacks are entirely on his own merit and that Poe never has anything to do with those either?


Poe is the linch pin of the passrush, if Dontari has a good game then either Hali or Houston most likely will have a great game too. Look at last year's passrush

[L.A. Chieffan]

Asspeen is an idiot. He got his pants pulled down in front of everybody and now he's trying to save face. Ford could have 5 sacks and a pick 6 and it would be because Poe is awesome and the other team is trash. Ok pal

[DaFace]

Poe is the linch pin of the passrush, if Dontari has a good game then either Hali or Houston most likely will have a great game too. Look at last year's passrush

Exactly. So unless you're going to caveat that Houston wouldn't be as good as he is without Poe, there's no reason we should be caveating Ford's performance.

[RunKC]

Dee Ford saved our ass 2 weeks in a row.

Without that forced fumble-turned INT to Muaga, Carr has more chances in our territory to put us away.
Without Ford, we go to OT yesterday plain and simple.

Sure it was a shitty Chargers backup OL, but remember Houston couldn't get a sack for half the season his rookie year then got 3 against the worst OL in the league in Chicago.

I hope this gives him the confidence moving forward like it did Houston.

[Danguardace]

Any links to his highlights yesterday? I missed the game. not sure how often people have 3 sack games but NFL dont think it worthy to show them.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Mack had 5 sacks against the Broncos. If he had Poe on his team he probably gotten ten, Ford sucks

[Iconic]

Habitual pessimists everywhere... can't appreciate a fucking thing I swear.

[loochy]

Well look at that - meaningful game time matters.

You can't get much better by just going to practice.

[BlackHelicopters]

Ford is going to make us forget about DT.

[Lzen]

I posted this in the other thread but might as well put it here, too.

Dee Ford's playmaking, proven growth symbolizes Chiefs' rise

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000600797/article/dee-fords-playmaking-proven-growth-symbolizes-chiefs-rise

[Aspengc8]

Asspeen is an idiot. He got his pants pulled down in front of everybody and now he's trying to save face. Ford could have 5 sacks and a pick 6 and it would be because Poe is awesome and the other team is trash. Ok pal

pants pulled down? ok.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Exactly. The Chargers line is bad, but it's not like Ford had 3 sacks out of 9 total. Even on the "coverage sacks", he was the one who got to the QB. If anyone could have done it, then why weren't there 3 other Chiefs bringing down Rivers by the time Ford got there.

People are just clinging to stupid shit in order to validate their positions, and it only makes them look dumber...like the guy who is still trying to say that Cam Newton sucks. Being wrong isn't a big deal. Doubling down on it is what makes you look like an idiot.Great post. Nothing wrong with changing one's mind based on new data.

[Mr. Laz]

When Houston comes back does Sutton find a way to get Hali,Houston and Ford all on the field at the same time?

[staylor26]

When Houston comes back does Sutton find a way to get Hali,Houston and Ford all on the field at the same time?

He has to in obvious passing situations.

[O.city]

It's tough because in today's nfl, every down is a passing down. It's tough to run guys out therr on certain downs

[RunKC]

Anybody see Zombo taking some snaps for Tamba on Sunday? Looks like they are worried about him breaking down.

I'd like to see Ford get some PT for Tamba when Houston gets back, especially on obvious passing downs.
Would not be good to go into January with a hurting Houston and broken down Tamba.

[Mr. Laz]

He has to in obvious passing situations.
Neil Smith/DT setup?


Hali and Ford coming over the LT, Hali inside, Ford outside

be pretty good duo to run stunts etc

[Lzen]

Neil Smith/DT setup?


Hali and Ford coming over the LT, Hali inside, Ford outside

be pretty good duo to run stunts etc

This post made me smile. :)

[Sofa King]

Anyone got the video's/gifs of fords sacks? I couldn't watch the game

[Aspengc8]

Neil Smith/DT setup?


Hali and Ford coming over the LT, Hali inside, Ford outside

be pretty good duo to run stunts etc

Pretty sure the Oline would anticipate a stunt if they saw 3 edge rushers on the field at the same time. Might work 3rd and long, but I wouldn't try it. Howard & Poe are getting a good push up the middle anyway. Kind of a "if it aint broke..." mentality when it comes to goofy stuff like that. Bringing 5 with poe/howard and H/H/F standing up moving around would be interesting.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Anyone got the video's/gifs of fords sacks? I couldn't watch the gamehttps://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/676271662334001152?s=09

[Chromatic]

Anyone got the video's/gifs of fords sacks? I couldn't watch the game

All of em

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[Mr. Laz]

Pretty sure the Oline would anticipate a stunt if they saw 3 edge rushers on the field at the same time. Might work 3rd and long, but I wouldn't try it. Howard & Poe are getting a good push up the middle anyway. Kind of a "if it aint broke..." mentality when it comes to goofy stuff like that. Bringing 5 with poe/howard and H/H/F standing up moving around would be interesting.
Yea, i'm talking about bringing 5

Hali and Ford on the right
Poe and Howard pushing the middle
Houston beasting on the left

How much time would a QB have? Secondary can squat on the short stuff.

bring the pain

Should have done something similar to Rivers, he wouldn't of had time to throw that long crap that killed us.

[OctoberFart]

Put him in the HOF.

[DaFace]

All of em

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That second one was just insane.

[NJChiefsFan]

Watch the D-line play Poe was collapsing the pocket and was constantly in Rivers' face. The guy was taking up 2-3 blockers all day too



Poe was the reason Ford had a chance to have a good game

Poe wasn't on the field for his first sack. His second was due to the crowd noise and fords great timing on the snap. The LT was terrible on that play but it masks the fact that Ford still had a fantastic jump. The third is the first you can even imply was due to poe. Can't speak to the tackles. And I have a feeling Poe wasn't the reason Ford hung with one of the most difficult backs in the league to cover on the biggest play of the game.

Plenty of reason to want to see more. He hasn't shown a lot even considering all the factors. But today was a win for him no matter how you slice it. He made a difference in two games. Perfect? No. But these are good signs.

[Pitt Gorilla]

That second one was just insane.Wood Head sounds like CP vernacular.

[Mr. Laz]

the 3rd doesn't happen a few weeks ago

You see Ford almost give up after the 1st initial rush

a few weeks ago Ford would have stopped but since he got a few sacks he kept going this time and got another.

learning,energized ... good signs

[notorious]

That second one was just insane.

A HOF LT couldn't have gotten off fast enough to block him.

[Aspengc8]

first one he had a nice club and didnt take himself out of the play. second one the tackle either was on wrong snap count or was expecting woodhead to chip. i think rivers moved woodhead presnap i have to go back and check.

[Anyong Bluth]

All of em

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I'm not going to anoint the guy, but anyone playing down his performance the last 2 weeks is a jackass.

He's got a long way to go, but damm if that didn't look like the ghost of DT when he lined up split way out in the 2 pt stance.

He's already better than DT in pass coverage.

Put it this way, any other team in the league would happily take a gamble on the kid regardless of whether he's a project or not when you look at his raw talent. This nonsense about it coming against backups is dogshit. Injuries are the norm for the NFL. Every other sack guy has feasted on going up against the same thing.

That's the name of the game. My superior talent beats your guy in the match up and gets you out of doing what you want on the play.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Put him in the HOF.

No one is saying that. We're just happy to see him produce when given the opportunity.

[jspchief]

When Houston comes back does Sutton find a way to get Hali,Houston and Ford all on the field at the same time?
Need to get Berry in there too. Run with 6 linebackers. I'll have BlackBob draw something up.

[ModSocks]

I'm not going to anoint the guy, but anyone playing down his performance the last 2 weeks is a jackass.

-----

Put it this way, any other team in the league would happily take a gamble on the kid regardless of whether he's a project or not when you look at his raw talent. This nonsense about it coming against backups is dogshit. Injuries are the norm for the NFL. Every other sack guy has feasted on going up against the same thing.

That's the name of the game. My superior talent beats your guy in the match up and gets you out of doing what you want on the play.

Money shot.

[ModSocks]

Need to get Berry in there too. Run with 6 linebackers. I'll have BlackBob draw something up.

LMAO

[philfree]

Vote for Dee Ford as the Castrol Edge Clutch Performer Of The Week

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[OctoberFart]

Vote for Dee Ford as the Castrol Edge Clutch Performer Of The Week

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Well we know who is getting it this week.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

No sack Mack's balls finally drop?

[OctoberFart]

No sack Mack's balls finally drop?

You are the idiot that just looks at sacks and said Mack isn't that good because he didn't have huge sack numbers as a rookie. I laughed because he would easily be the #1 pick in a redraft. Mack was a stud last year despite what you mulletheads think.

[PunkinDrublic]

You are the idiot that just looks at sacks and said Mack isn't that good because he didn't have huge sack numbers as a rookie. I laughed because he would easily be the #1 pick in a redraft. Mack was a stud last year despite what you mulletheads think.

You're the pussy fairer fan who runs and hides after the Chiefs beat choke land.
Remember the last time choke land had a winning season? It was quite the hot topic on MySpace.

[Squalor2]

Vote for Dee Ford as the Castrol Edge Clutch Performer Of The Week

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Well we know who is getting it this week.

gotta fuel als' flame.

[RunKC]

You are the idiot that just looks at sacks and said Mack isn't that good because he didn't have huge sack numbers as a rookie. I laughed because he would easily be the #1 pick in a redraft. Mack was a stud last year despite what you mulletheads think.

Bortles>Mack

[ThaVirus]

Mack is really fucking good.

He's complete as shit. You can't even run to his side.

I wouldn't say he's better than a healthy Houston but he's close and id take him over Von Miller.

[NJChiefsFan]

Bortles>Mack

I agree but not as an insult to Mack. A QB is just worth the risk, even if Bortles doesn't keep progressing. Mack has all the makings, though.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Nice write-up on Dee Ford on the K.C. Chiefs web site.

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2/Dee-Ford-Honors-Justin-Houston-Tamba-Hali-on-Sunday/85d89613-ce8a-4504-9e96-d786b8ffb449

[OctoberFart]

You're the pussy fairer fan who runs and hides after the Chiefs beat choke land.
Remember the last time choke land had a winning season? It was quite the hot topic on MySpace.

Ugh no I didn't run and hide I posted here. There is still one more game in case you didn't know. As mentioned again you guys like to do these stupid thread bans for no reason. For what it is worth the world has seen multiple AFCW appearances by teams including Seattle since KC's last playoff win.

[kcchiefsus]

You are the idiot that just looks at sacks and said Mack isn't that good because he didn't have huge sack numbers as a rookie. I laughed because he would easily be the #1 pick in a redraft. Mack was a stud last year despite what you mulletheads think.

Yet he is still no better than the 3rd best pass rusher in the AFC West.

[Simply Red]

Yet he is still no better than the 3rd best pass rusher in the AFC West.

I would like to offer you a holiday-hug.

[rabblerouser]

Ugh no I didn't run and hide I posted here. There is still one more game in case you didn't know. As mentioned again you guys like to do these stupid thread bans for no reason. For what it is worth the world has seen multiple AFCW appearances by teams including Seattle since KC's last playoff win.
Seattle was not in the AFCW when they went to any of the Super Bowls.

I guess you really do have to be fucking stupid to be a Raiders fan.

[ThaVirus]

Yet he is still no better than the 3rd best pass rusher in the AFC West.


He's leading the league in sacks.. Probably not the time to make that sort of claim..

[OctoberFart]

Seattle was not in the AFCW when they went to any of the Super Bowls.

I guess you really do have to be ****ing stupid to be a Raiders fan.

Yes I know they were not but they were for a long, long time and part of the history. What kind of odds would I have got in 94 to bet that EVERY TEAM in the AFCW would make the Superbowl before the next Queef playoff victory? That would have included SD, Seattle, Oakland and Denver to make the SuperBowl before a queef playoff victory. Think about that for a second.

Yet he is still no better than the 3rd best pass rusher in the AFC West.

Debatable but everyone is entitled to their opinion. He does lead the league in sacks and has done it in a very dominating way.

[Anyong Bluth]

I would like to offer you a holiday-hug.
slut.

[RunKC]

4 QB pressures
2 QB hits
1 solid run defense

He was the only LB who got pressure on Clausen all day. He played another good game and almost had 2 near sacks that Clause narrowly avoided.

Kid played a good game against a very good RT today.

[Mr. Laz]

4 QB pressures
2 QB hits
1 solid run defense

He was the only LB who got pressure on Clausen all day. He played another good game and almost had 2 near sacks that Clause narrowly avoided.

Kid played a good game against a very good RT today.

Wasn't that Baltimore's backup RT?

[jonzie04]

Had a really good game.

[jonzie04]

Wasn't that Baltimore's backup RT?

Rick Wagner... No. He's a very good RT.

The LT, Kelechi was a guard. A very good guard. Just moved to tackle last week, against Seattle.

[RunKC]

One of the QB hits by Ford which was a nice pressure. too bad Sean Smith got beat.

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[Rausch]

He's improving.

Hopefully Houston is ready for the playoffs and Hali and Ford can rotate...

[2bikemike]

I don't know the Stat sheet shows Ford had the same number of tackles as Cairo Santos! I am thinking he needs to step it up! :D

[Mr. Laz]

Rick Wagner... No. He's a very good RT.

The LT, Kelechi was a guard. A very good guard. Just moved to tackle last week, against Seattle.
Yea, i thought a guard got move to tackle somewhere.

[beach tribe]

Fisher panning out.
Ford looking good.
Peters...Holy Shit.

[mdchiefsfan]

There was a run play that he contained very well to the right. It won't go noticed by many, but those are the run of the mill plays required by an OLB

[Marcellus]

Houston got hurt at the right time if that actually exist. We get to see Ford play for a while he gets experience etc....

[DaneMcCloud]

Fisher panning out.
Ford looking good.
Peters...Holy Shit.

Morse is good and for three straight weeks, the Chiefs have started two 6th rounders drafted last year in Fulton and LDT.

Dorsey is a pimp.

[NJChiefsFan]

The WR sweep where he held his block in the open and contain in the open field, then broke off for the tackle is maybe my favorite play I have seen him make. Showed awareness which has been lacking combined with just a great individual effort.

[DaneMcCloud]

The WR sweep where he held his block in the open and contain in the open field, then broke off for the tackle is maybe my favorite play I have seen him make. Showed awareness which has been lacking combined with just a great individual effort.

He's growing with playing time.

Whoda thunk? ;)

[Eleazar]

He's doing alright for a complete bust LMAO

[Anyong Bluth]

He's doing alright for a complete bust LMAO
Mr. Ford highly advises for those who doubted him to step forward so they can suck on Deez nutz!

[RunKC]

Morse is good and for three straight weeks, the Chiefs have started two 6th rounders drafted last year in Fulton and LDT.

Dorsey is a pimp.

And DJ Alexander has been a goddamned monster on ST's this season. He's always the first guy down the field on kickoffs making big hits.

What a fucking draft this was.

[RunKC]

Here's Ford's spin move that some have wanted him to do. Worked pretty well here. Forced the tackle to trip him because he got beat. Made Carr panic and get rid of the ball.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dee Ford&#39;s spin is insanely fast. Should be working on this constantly. Forced a trip that didn&#39;t get called. <a href="https://t.co/0rx9J6nMKr">pic.twitter.com/0rx9J6nMKr</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/684166672601624576">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

1 sack and 4 overall hurries from the young man on Sunday. He's looked pretty solid so far without Justin Houston. Really want to see more of them both on the field together, preferably with Tamba there too.

[ThaVirus]

That spin was pretty sexy; I'll give ya that.

[BossChief]

Once he perfects a spin and a swim, this a kid is going to absolutely destroy worlds.

[Skyy God]

Mr. Ford highly advises for those who doubted him to step forward so they can suck on Deez nutz!

Dorsey, Reid, etc. might just know what they're doing.....

[DJ's left nut]

Once he perfects a spin and a swim, this a kid is going to absolutely destroy worlds.

And again - I think he's playing out of position on the strong side.

Put him on the weak side and let him just get after it and he'll be a horse.

If Hali walks, Ford gets to double digit sacks next year.

[The Franchise]

And again - I think he's playing out of position on the strong side.

Put him on the weak side and let him just get after it and he'll be a horse.

If Hali walks, Ford gets to double digit sacks next year.

Yep.

[BossChief]

And again - I think he's playing out of position on the strong side.

Put him on the weak side and let him just get after it and he'll be a horse.

If Hali walks, Ford gets to double digit sacks next year.

Absolutely.

Just looking at the "rough draft" of his new spin move is very exciting that he is developing moves on the fly.

His first step is flat out elite and OTs need to compensate by kicking wide and trying to keep Ford from turning the corner on them...that spin is going to prohibit them from doing that.

Chris Clark and Derek Newton have their work cut out for them.

[O.city]

Once he perfects a spin and a swim, this a kid is going to absolutely destroy worlds.

As I said yesterday or the day before, I don't think he has to perfect it.

Just be competent at it.

Kind of a show me change up and show me curve, to go along with the heat.

[RunKC]

I'm so pumped to see Ford play with Houston. Last year in Pitt Ford made some big plays with all the attention going to Houston.

Had that strip.

[Anyong Bluth]

Is next year the final year on his rookie contract?

[DaneMcCloud]

Is next year the final year on his rookie contract?

Ford's contract won't expire until after the 2018 season

[Anyong Bluth]

Here's Ford's spin move that some have wanted him to do. Worked pretty well here. Forced the tackle to trip him because he got beat. Made Carr panic and get rid of the ball.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dee Ford&#39;s spin is insanely fast. Should be working on this constantly. Forced a trip that didn&#39;t get called. <a href="https://t.co/0rx9J6nMKr">pic.twitter.com/0rx9J6nMKr</a></p>— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/684166672601624576">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

1 sack and 4 overall hurries from the young man on Sunday. He's looked pretty solid so far without Justin Houston. Really want to see more of them both on the field together, preferably with Tamba there too.
It's kinda obscene on what he is potentially going to be able to do- especially if you have him, Houston, and Poe hit their prime playing together.

Oh, and I'm all for getting the kid more of the load, but I really hope Hali is around, and with him taking a paycut I kind of figure he was given some assurance that they wanted him for more than just one more year. Otherwise, there's not a lot of incentive to make less. If it was just a one year thing, you either stand firm on your salary, or if they cut you and you ink up with another club. You don't take less just to get tossed out at the end of the season when you're another year older and hurt your value...

[Chiefshrink]

Jury still out for me BUT these playoffs will tell a lot when all is said and done. Will he play big in big games against big players:hmmm:

[BossChief]

It's kinda obscene on what he is potentially going to be able to do- especially if you have him, Houston, and Poe hit their prime playing together.

Oh, and I'm all for getting the kid more of the load, but I really hope Hali is around, and with him taking a paycut I kind of figure he was given some assurance that they wanted him for more than just one more year. Otherwise, there's not a lot of incentive to make less. If it was just a one year thing, you either stand firm on your salary, or if they cut you and you ink up with another club. You don't take less just to get tossed out at the end of the season when you're another year older and hurt your value...
I don't think Hali is going to want to play another year. His knees are getting worse and worse.

As far as money goes, he doesn't care at all about money. That might seem hard to believe, but it's the truth. The man loves this city and the Hunt family. He credits them with making his life what it is and Clark Hunt pulled a lot of strings to get Hali's mother to America. He won't play anywhere but KC, even if they can only pay him league minimum.

[Aspengc8]

I don't think Hali is going to want to play another year. His knees are getting worse and worse.

As far as money goes, he doesn't care at all about money. That might seem hard to believe, but it's the truth. The man loves this city and the Hunt family. He credits them with making his life what it is and Clark Hunt pulled a lot of strings to get Hali's mother to America. He won't play anywhere but KC, even if they can only pay him league minimum.

Even if he decides his knee's have had enough, I hope he can join the coaching staff.


Jury still out for me BUT these playoffs will tell a lot when all is said and done. Will he play big in big games against big players:hmmm:

Jury is still out for quite a few folks on him. He has shown some improvement and flashes of ability, but his overall game still needs a lot of work. The only game he's graded out positive overall has been the chargers game. Maybe Justin will get him in the weight room and post some Ford 405lb bench videos too :)

[DJ's left nut]

Ford's contract won't expire until after the 2018 season

Unless the Chiefs don't pick up his 5th year option, but pretty much every first round pick gets that picked up and as a pick in the latter 1/3 of the round, he'll only cost about $5 million on that option so it's a no-brainer.

I'd really like to see him have a good year next year so the Chiefs can get to work on an extension with him knowing more about what they have. It's the perfect time for one as they'll have a little leverage still (2 years of below market control in front of them) that might convince him that the big ol' signing bonus that comes with that extension is enough of a bird in the hand to avoid testing the market.

I really think that's what they'd have done with Poe but/for the back injury mucking things up.

[Anyong Bluth]

I don't think Hali is going to want to play another year. His knees are getting worse and worse.

As far as money goes, he doesn't care at all about money. That might seem hard to believe, but it's the truth. The man loves this city and the Hunt family. He credits them with making his life what it is and Clark Hunt pulled a lot of strings to get Hali's mother to America. He won't play anywhere but KC, even if they can only pay him league minimum.
I believe you, knowing Tamba's personality. I wasn’t aware of how significant his knees have deteriorated. If he decides to hang it up, so be it. I would just like if he does play another season, it be as a Chief.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

I think the whole "rest all week in practice besides one day" schedule has done wonders for Tamba this year and may even be able to extend another year out of him. His presence on the sideline alone on top of being able to be an occasional pass rusher should get him another year. He just looks like he still wants to be out there.

[DaFace]

I think the whole "rest all week in practice besides one day" schedule has done wonders for Tamba this year and may even be able to extend another year out of him. His presence on the sideline alone on top of being able to be an occasional pass rusher should get him another year. He just looks like he still wants to be out there.

He's a huge character guy for the team, both on the field and in the locker room. I hope we can find a way to keep him on the roster next year, even if just in a limited role.

[Lzen]

Tamba is one of my favorite all time Chiefs. So I hope they are able to keep him around another year or two. I really don't want to see him go to another team. That being said, it's looking like the Chiefs did well in finding his replacement. Ford's development is coming along nicely.

[Anyong Bluth]

Tamba is one of my favorite all time Chiefs. So I hope they are able to keep him around another year or two. I really don't want to see him go to another team. That being said, it's looking like the Chiefs did well in finding his replacement. Ford's development is coming along nicely.
Impossible! I was told he was a total and complete bust in week 2 of his rookie year. I know because I read it right here on CP.

[The Franchise]

I don't think Hali is going to want to play another year. His knees are getting worse and worse.

As far as money goes, he doesn't care at all about money. That might seem hard to believe, but it's the truth. The man loves this city and the Hunt family. He credits them with making his life what it is and Clark Hunt pulled a lot of strings to get Hali's mother to America. He won't play anywhere but KC, even if they can only pay him league minimum.

Plus he just had a kid. He could retire now and spend all the time he wants with the little one.

[scho63]

I saw something yesterday that I hadn't seen before with Dee Ford. I watched him a lot to make sure it wasn't an anomaly.

He get's off the line on the snap like a rocket and was always 1/2 step ahead. However, this is where he seems to go real bad: he takes a VERY WIDE looping arc away from the O-lineman is an attempt to rush past him just with speed and not even engaging the lineman that much. The problem is two fold; he takes too long to come around and the QB has already thrown the ball and many times he is behind the QB and has no ability for the sack.

Hopefully he can learn to use his speed with the swim move to cut down his time to the QB.

[dannybcaitlyn]

I saw something yesterday that I hadn't seen before with Dee Ford. I watched him a lot to make sure it wasn't an anomaly.

He get's off the line on the snap like a rocket and was always 1/2 step ahead. However, this is where he seems to go real bad: he takes a VERY WIDE looping arc away from the O-lineman is an attempt to rush past him just with speed and not even engaging the lineman that much. The problem is two fold; he takes too long to come around and the QB has already thrown the ball and many times he is behind the QB and has no ability for the sack.

Hopefully he can learn to use his speed with the swim move to cut down his time to the QB.
I've seen it many times and wonder wtf is the D-line coach doing or telling him.

[jspchief]

I saw something yesterday that I hadn't seen before with Dee Ford. I watched him a lot to make sure it wasn't an anomaly.

He get's off the line on the snap like a rocket and was always 1/2 step ahead. However, this is where he seems to go real bad: he takes a VERY WIDE looping arc away from the O-lineman is an attempt to rush past him just with speed and not even engaging the lineman that much. The problem is two fold; he takes too long to come around and the QB has already thrown the ball and many times he is behind the QB and has no ability for the sack.

Hopefully he can learn to use his speed with the swim move to cut down his time to the QB.
Yeah he has zero technique. Kind of sad after 2 years.

[Aspengc8]

He hasnt done anything since the chargers game seems like. Negative grades every week. He will need to come back with some more meat on him over the summer else Tamba will be back again.

[Buehler445]

He's a huge character guy for the team, both on the field and in the locker room. I hope we can find a way to keep him on the roster next year, even if just in a limited role.

Give him the Dwight Freeney treatment. Don't even give him any snaps until the 4th quarter.

[Shawny2X4]

It's maddening knowing the kind of potential and first-step this guy has and the only game in which he made a significant impact was against the worst OL in football.

[RunKC]

This guy needs to work on not getting pushed out of plays too easily. This is the perfect example. The guy gets a great shot to sack Brady and gets pushed out of the play at the end after beating the OL.

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That play could have changed the entire game. Sack on 3rd and 13 on the first drive would have led to no points and no momentum. Instead it was a long gain to Gronk and then a TD to him a few plays later.

[staylor26]

This guy needs to work on not getting pushed out of plays too easily. This is the perfect example. The guy gets a great shot to sack Brady and gets pushed out of the play at the end after beating the OL.

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That play could have changed the entire game. Sack on 3rd and 13 on the first drive would have led to no points and no momentum. Instead it was a long gain to Gronk and then a TD to him a few plays later.

That's just a good job by Brady. Hard to blame Ford there. That's why you have to collapse the pocket.

[RunKC]

That's just a good job by Brady. Hard to blame Ford there. That's why you have to collapse the pocket.

Bullshit. The guy was 2 yards away and is one of the fastest LB's in the league in short spaces.

At least grab his jersey and disrupt the play. Pressure was coming up the middle from the DB.

[Saccopoo]

Bullshit. The guy was 2 yards away and is one of the fastest LB's in the league in short spaces.

At least grab his jersey and disrupt the play. Pressure was coming up the middle from the DB.

Ford was completely taken out of a play on Brady by a slight touch by the RT. (Watch Ford's head duck and his whole body follows that movement.)

You are correct. He should have made that play.

[staylor26]

Bullshit. The guy was 2 yards away and is one of the fastest LB's in the league in short spaces.

At least grab his jersey and disrupt the play. Pressure was coming up the middle from the DB.

Ford was completely taken out of a play on Brady by a slight touch by the RT. (Watch Ford's head duck and his whole body follows that movement.)

You are correct. He should have made that play.

I take it neither of you has rushed the passer before bc that's a tough play to make with Brady quickly stepping up in the pocket. The push just sealed it.

[Saccopoo]

I take it neither of you has rushed the passer before bc that's a tough play to make with Brady quickly stepping up in the pocket. The push just sealed it.

Ford continued a path that was too wide after he easily beat the RT from the snap. Then he was taken off of Brady by a light touch by the RT after the RT shouldn't have been a factor.

Yes, Brady did as he should have by stepping up into the pocket, but that should have been a sack. Ford's technique is virtually non-existent other than that first step. One would have hoped that he would have progressed a bit more at this point, especially when working with Hali and Houston every day.

[staylor26]

Ford continued a path that was too wide after he easily beat the RT from the snap. Then he was taken off of Brady by a light touch by the RT after the RT shouldn't have been a factor.

Yes, Brady did as he should have by stepping up into the pocket, but that should have been a sack. Ford's technique is virtually non-existent other than that first step. One would have hoped that he would have progressed a bit more at this point, especially when working with Hali and Houston every day.

Watch again. The RB forces him to make it a little wider.

[mcaj22]

This guy needs to work on not getting pushed out of plays too easily. This is the perfect example. The guy gets a great shot to sack Brady and gets pushed out of the play at the end after beating the OL.

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That play could have changed the entire game. Sack on 3rd and 13 on the first drive would have led to no points and no momentum. Instead it was a long gain to Gronk and then a TD to him a few plays later.

This is actually a terrible scheme by Sutton. Poe and Hali occupy FIVE BLOCKERS THEMSELVES and the only other lineman or pass rusher even on the field is Ford. Branch is like fake rushing to play contain if the RBs release into the flats, so they aren't even really applying pressure.

Sutton is basically rushing 3 guys here and has about 200 defensive backs on the field. Letting the Patriots do whatever they want.

The fact that the Patriots could put THREE o-lineman on Poe because they know nobody else is on the god damn field is pathetic. That entire rush was essentially entirely on Dee Ford's back to even generate any sort of pressure. Whoever the LBer behind Ford that's trailing him is suppose to take the inside of the RT so realistically when Brady steps up he should be sacked. The fact that whoever that LBer is CANT SHED A RB blocking him that long is hilariously sad. Ford, Hali and Poe look like they only guys that even tried on this play.

[staylor26]

This is actually a terrible scheme by Sutton. Poe and Hali occupy FIVE BLOCKERS THEMSELVES and the only other lineman or pass rusher even on the field is Ford. Branch is like fake rushing to play contain if the RBs release into the flats, so they aren't even really applying pressure.

Sutton is basically rushing 3 guys here and has about 200 defensive backs on the field. Letting the Patriots do whatever they want.

The fact that the Patriots could put THREE o-lineman on Poe because they know nobody else is on the god damn field is pathetic. That entire rush was essentially entirely on Dee Ford's back to even generate any sort of pressure. Whoever the LBer behind Ford that's trailing him is suppose to take the inside of the RT so realistically when Brady steps up he should be sacked. The fact that whoever that LBer is CANT SHED A RB blocking him that long is hilariously sad.

That was Abdullah, not a LB.

[mcaj22]

That was Abdullah, not a LB.

oh even worse, because Sutton did have 300 DBs on the field, he had so many he used 2 as pass rushers.

[SAUTO]

Ford was completely taken out of a play on Brady by a slight touch by the RT. (Watch Ford's head duck and his whole body follows that movement.)

You are correct. He should have made that play.

Are you talking about when he was pushed in the back?

Yeah that's gonna make a difference when you are running forward.

[staylor26]

oh even worse

Looks like Abdullah and Branch were playing man on the RB's, so that's why it looked like a lazy blitz by both.

Still, the second Abdullah saw that RB he stopped in his tracks. He could've drove White into Brady.

[mcaj22]

Looks like Abdullah and Branch were playing man on the RB's, so that's why it looked like a lazy blitz by both.

So guys we want to re-sign at 8-9 million like Jaye Howard are just standing on the sideline while Sutton tries to apply a rush with just Poe, Hali, and Dee Ford taking on an entire offensive line.

Makes sense. Might as well take that money and get Sutton 20 more safeties.

[Saccopoo]

Looks like Abdullah and Branch were playing man on the RB's, so that's why it looked like a lazy blitz by both.

Yeah, it looked like Abdullah was picking up the RB versus blitzing.

And Ford barely got touched on the back. He's got to make that play.

[mcaj22]

Yeah, it looked like Abdullah was picking up the RB versus blitzing.

And Ford barely got touched on the back. He's got to make that play.

But the fact that the entire rush relies really just on Dee Ford blows my mind. Three guys. Patriots had 7 blockers to stop 3. That's terrible scheming and a horrible way to not maximize your teams best players.

[SAUTO]

Yeah, it looked like Abdullah was picking up the RB versus blitzing.

And Ford barely got touched on the back. He's got to make that play.

You try to cut when someone gets a push on your back in the same detection you are running and get back to me

[Saccopoo]

You try to cut when someone gets a push on your back in the same detection you are running and get back to me

I'm not saying it didn't have an effect. I'm saying that he should have had a better route once the RT was beat. He took himself out of the play from the snap by taking such a wide angle. He beat the RT like a drum, but never adjusted back in.

And the RT barely touched him. It was a one handed, desperation tap. I find it hard to believe that Ford could be so adversely affected by that.

Hali has dudes literally hanging from his neck nearly every play and manages to be significantly more effective with half the speed.

Ford has got to make that play when it's so open.

He didn't and it's in the books. I just hope he puts in the work this off-season where he works on having a couple of counter moves that enables his speed rush to be more effective.

[staylor26]

You try to cut when someone gets a push on your back in the same detection you are running and get back to me

Exactly. It's utterly ridiculous to try to claim that push shouldn't have effected Ford.

[SAUTO]

A guy hanging from your neck isn't that same as a push in the back

[staylor26]

I'm not saying it didn't have an effect. I'm saying that he should have had a better route once the RT was beat. He took himself out of the play from the snap by taking such a wide angle. He beat the RT like a drum, but never adjusted back in.

And the RT barely touched him. It was a one handed, desperation tap. I find it hard to believe that Ford could be so adversely affected by that.

Hali has dudes literally hanging from his neck nearly every play and manages to be significantly more effective with half the speed.

Ford has got to make that play when it's so open.

He didn't and it's in the books. I just hope he puts in the work this off-season where he works on having a couple of counter moves that enables his speed rush to be more effective.

Why're you ignoring Ford also having to get around the RB? That's what caused him to make it a little too wide.

[DJ's left nut]

Watch again. The RB forces him to make it a little wider.

But when he had a chance to plant that left foot, dip his shoulders a bit, come into the RT's body and use his speed/momentum to at worst collapse the right side and more likely simply get his pads under the RT and finish the sack, he failed.

That was a technique failure. It's the same thing Houston did a lot as a rookie - he simply did not innately realize when it was time to turn that speed into power and so he'd wash himself out of plays he should've made.

The heartening thing about that play is that it is so so SO coachable. So very easily coachable. I am 100% confident that by week 6 of next year with regular playing time that's a play he'll finish.

[DJ's left nut]

oh even worse, because Sutton did have 300 DBs on the field, he had so many he used 2 as pass rushers.

Man, I didn't notice that.

Wow, Abdullah really did jake that play. You're absolutely right that any degree of effort/drive just blows through the RB there and kills that play.

But Abdullah was pretty obviously not interested in contact at. all.

[Saccopoo]

But the fact that the entire rush relies really just on Dee Ford blows my mind. Three guys. Patriots had 7 blockers to stop 3. That's terrible scheming and a horrible way to not maximize your teams best players.

No Hali, no Houston.

What are you going to do?

I'm not a big fan of Sutton, but his hands were a bit tied and, at the end of the day, the Chiefs defense didn't do a bad job of containing the Patriots.

One fumble lost and two sure interceptions dropped. And a crappy roughing the passer penalty.

Chiefs had more first downs, better third down conversion, more yardage, and 15 more minutes on time of possession.

Yeah, you look at the Denver game and want them to destroy Brady like the Doncos did but, in all honesty, the Chiefs played a pretty solid game against the Patriots on the road and if it weren't for the turnovers (and lack thereof), this should have been a Chiefs win.

[staylor26]

Looks like Abdullah and Branch were playing man on the RB's, so that's why it looked like a lazy blitz by both.

Still, the second Abdullah saw that RB he stopped in his tracks. He could've drove White into Brady.

Man, I didn't notice that.

Wow, Abdullah really did jake that play. You're absolutely right that any degree of effort/drive just blows through the RB there and kills that play.

But Abdullah was pretty obviously not interested in contact at. all.

Exactly what I said. This play is more on Abdullah then Ford IMO.

Looking at it again, Abdullah still almost got to Brady in time.

[DJ's left nut]

Exactly. It's utterly ridiculous to try to claim that push shouldn't have effected Ford.

It could have.

But are you honestly telling me that looking at that play he really made an effort to set that outside leg and drive inside? And given his body of work, where we know that's an issue he has, doesn't it make sense to believe that this same failure we saw many times this year happened to surface on that play?

Why should I believe that on this play, for the first time in possibly ever, he learned to close down his angle quickly/effectively and it was the RB that blew it up? He wasn't doing it all season, he likely wasn't doing it there.

[staylor26]

It could have.

But are you honestly telling me that looking at that play he really made an effort to set that outside leg and drive inside? And given his body of work, where we know that's an issue he has, doesn't it make sense to believe that this same failure we saw many times this year happened to surface on that play?

Why should I believe that on this play, for the first time in possibly ever, he learned to close down his angle quickly/effectively and it was the RB that blew it up? He wasn't doing it all season, he likely wasn't doing it there.

I don't disagree, but I still don't think this plays on Ford as much as Abdullah.

[Saccopoo]

I don't disagree, but I still don't think this plays on Ford as much as Abdullah.

Abdullah looks like he's picking up the RB to cover on a dump off once the RB basically lets Ford go by him without even glancing at him.

I don't see how it's on Abdullah when it's more his responsibility to contain the dumpoff versus let it go on the blitz.

Brady made a nice play to Gronk, but Ford should have made the effort to get inside of Brady once he got by the right tackle. He didn't. He just kept the peddle to the metal and held the same track the whole time.

As DJ said, he should have planted the foot and driven inside. Even just a minor swim move on the tackle and he's on Brady instead of blowing right by him. He had the angle on the RT from the snap.

[staylor26]

Abdullah looks like he's picking up the RB to cover on a dump off once the RB basically lets Ford go by him without even glancing at him.

I don't see how it's on Abdullah when it's more his responsibility to contain the dumpoff versus let it go on the blitz.

Brady made a nice play to Gronk, but Ford should have made the effort to get inside of Brady once he got by the right tackle. He didn't. He just kept the peddle to the metal and held the same track the whole time.

As DJ said, he should have planted the foot and driven inside. Even just a minor swim move on the tackle and he's on Brady instead of blowing right by him. He had the angle on the RT from the snap.

Once a guy attempts to block you, you can stop worrying about covering him and drive him back into the QB. Abdullah made no effort to be physical on that play. Thing is is he was STILL in position to almost make the play.

[Saccopoo]

Once a guy attempts to block you, you can stop worrying about covering him and drive him back into the QB. Abdullah made no effort to be physical on that play. Thing is is he was STILL in position to almost make the play.

I agree, though I understand what Abdullah was attempting to do, which was take away the safety valve from Brady - especially considering the number of defensive backs that we had in the game on that play. At least Abdullah did something productive. Ford just whiffed.

[staylor26]

I agree, though I understand what Abdullah was attempting to do, which was take away the safety valve from Brady - especially considering the number of defensive backs that we had in the game on that play. At least Abdullah did something productive. Ford just whiffed.

Couldn't disagree more. Ford did something productive by getting Brady to step up in the pocket. Abdullah on the other hand did nothing productive. How the fuck is covering a guy that never intended on going out for a pass productive?

[mcaj22]

No Hali, no Houston.

What are you going to do?

I'm not a big fan of Sutton, but his hands were a bit tied and, at the end of the day, the Chiefs defense didn't do a bad job of containing the Patriots.

One fumble lost and two sure interceptions dropped. And a crappy roughing the passer penalty.

Chiefs had more first downs, better third down conversion, more yardage, and 15 more minutes on time of possession.

Yeah, you look at the Denver game and want them to destroy Brady like the Doncos did but, in all honesty, the Chiefs played a pretty solid game against the Patriots on the road and if it weren't for the turnovers (and lack thereof), this should have been a Chiefs win.

I know they might not have had the edge rushers, but the fact that you pull both Allen Bailey and Jaye Howard for TWO extra DBs blows my mind.

You may not have the outside rush but you certainly can still have some sort of inside rush if you just at least try and push the pocket with Poe + Bailey or Howard. I don't understand how you have two DEs that have 5 sacks a piece and are capable big guy pass rushers on the sidelines so the Patriots can just put 3 guys on Poe.

There is literally no point in paying Jay Howard if that's how Sutton is going to play pass happy teams.

It would be like Wade Phillips pulling both Derek Wolfe and Malik Jackson for Shiloh Keo and Josh Bush and telling Sylvester Williams, Von Miller and Ware to just get it done.

There's no point in paying a high premium for d-lineman if that's how Sutton wants to play.

[O.city]

I know they might not have had the edge rushers, but the fact that you pull both Allen Bailey and Jaye Howard for TWO extra DBs blows my mind.

You may not have the outside rush but you certainly can still have some sort of inside rush if you just at least try and push the pocket with Poe + Bailey or Howard. I don't understand how you have two DEs that have 5 sacks a piece and are capable big guy pass rushers on the sidelines so the Patriots can just put 3 guys on Poe.

There is literally no point in paying Jay Howard if that's how Sutton is going to play pass happy teams.

It would be like Wade Phillips pulling both Derek Wolfe and Malik Jackson for Shiloh Keo and Josh Bush and telling Sylvester Williams, Von Miller and Ware to just get it done.

There's no point in paying a high premium for d-lineman if that's how Sutton wants to play.

This is where having Mauga and dj at ilb hurts to an extent because they bring the safeties in to cover the backs, because Mauga can't run.

[RunKC]

I know they might not have had the edge rushers, but the fact that you pull both Allen Bailey and Jaye Howard for TWO extra DBs blows my mind.

You may not have the outside rush but you certainly can still have some sort of inside rush if you just at least try and push the pocket with Poe + Bailey or Howard. I don't understand how you have two DEs that have 5 sacks a piece and are capable big guy pass rushers on the sidelines so the Patriots can just put 3 guys on Poe.

There is literally no point in paying Jay Howard if that's how Sutton is going to play pass happy teams.

It would be like Wade Phillips pulling both Derek Wolfe and Malik Jackson for Shiloh Keo and Josh Bush and telling Sylvester Williams, Von Miller and Ware to just get it done.

There's no point in paying a high premium for d-lineman if that's how Sutton wants to play.

You're acting like that was the game plan. I watched the game again and Our DL did NOTHING. It was the most embarrassing position of the entire game and it was ridiculous.

[mcaj22]

You're acting like that was the game plan. I watched the game again and Our DL did NOTHING. It was the most embarrassing position of the entire game and it was ridiculous.

To pull any available pass rusher in a 3 and long though? That's Sutton's counter to we don't have the edge rushers? Let's throw another safety in there for Brady to pick apart?

And your DL did nothing point is hindsight 20/20, at that point in the game nobody knew that Allen Bailey and Jaye Howard would go invisible. It was one of Sutton's first packages thrown at Brady, I can't tell if it's scripted, because of injuries, lack of talent at the ILBer position, no slot CB, a combo of all of it?

[Mr. Laz]

I take it neither of you has rushed the passer before bc that's a tough play to make with Brady quickly stepping up in the pocket. The push just sealed it.

oh bullshit


leaning with power while coming around the corner is a key to being a speed rusher

stop making excuses

[OctoberFart]

Ford was a wasted pick.

[staylor26]

Ford was a wasted pick.

No DJ Hayden was a wasted pick. Ford is going to at the very least be a solid stater.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Ford was a wasted pick.

So was your MOM

[OctoberFart]

No DJ Hayden was a wasted pick. Ford is going to at the very least be a solid stater.

Hayden is garbage and Ford isn't very good either.