DAT placed on injured reserve

[pugsnotdrugs19]

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/682677999670550529

Wow....

Gotta wonder if he's considering retirement honestly. If this truly stems from concussion, he must have gotten completely effed up.

Best wishes.

[Jerm]

Yup...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs placed WR/return specialist De&#39;Anthony Thomas on season-ending IR, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/682677999670550529">December 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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WTF is going on...

[DaFace]

Can you place a guy on IR who isn't...you know...injured?

[wazu]

Dorsey is handling that.

[Jerm]

Dorsey is handling that.

"Dorse"

[DaneMcCloud]

I wouldn't be shocked if he retires...

[Buehler445]

Lol. Wtf

[TLO]

Worse draft pick than McCluster..

[jjchieffan]

Ugh!! I hate hearing that. Hammond isn't half the player that DAT is. Is there any word of who was signed to fill out the roster?

[BlackHelicopters]

What the hell?

[DaneMcCloud]

Can you place a guy on IR who isn't...you know...injured?

The Chargers did it to Weddle...

[DaFace]

Worse draft pick than McCluster..

I think he's a better player than Dex was, but you'll certainly be right if he ends up calling it quits here.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Wow. I wondered if he was going to retire a few days ago. We'll see.

[DaneMcCloud]

Worse draft pick than McCluster..

:facepalm:

No

[MotherfuckerJones]

Worse draft pick than McCluster..

BS. DAT was 4th round DMC was 2nd round.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Will be interesting to see who they add to the 53 for him. My guess is Pughsley or Fred Williams..

[DaneMcCloud]

BS. DAT was 4th round DMC was 2nd round.

And a high second rounder at that.

The Chiefs passed on a lot of talent to take McCluster.

[Chromatic]

I wouldn't be shocked if he retires...

It wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to but Dorsey and Reid said something along the lines of "take the rest of the year to think about it."

That concussion must have fucked him up bad.

Shit like this is only the beginning. It started with that Borland guy from the 49ers last year and it's going to snowball.

[DaFace]

BS. DAT was 4th round DMC was 2nd round.

Even so, you expect a 4th round guy to at least stay on the team for 2 years.

[jjchieffan]

Worse draft pick than McCluster..


No. McCluster was a bad pick because he got picked in round 2 and, if I remember right, he was picked with the draft pick we received for Tony G. That in itself makes McCluster the worse pick. Then add in bow easy he was to tackle and it's not even close.

[siberian khatru]

Reid and Dorsey never should have let DAT see that Will Smith movie

[DaneMcCloud]

Even so, you expect a 4th round guy to at least stay on the team for 2 years.

Eh, concussions are no laughing matter.

Guys like Borland proved that last year and he's got 80 pounds on DAT.

[Rain Man]

Will be interesting to see who they add to the 53 for him. My guess is Pughsley or Fred Williams..

I think Pughsley's already active.

Maybe they'll bring up Darrin Reaves. Given what we saw in preseason, Reaves, Ware, and West would singlehandedly destroy every defender on the opposition.

[DaneMcCloud]

No. McCluster was a bad pick because he got picked in round 2 and, if I remember right, he was picked with the draft pick we received for Tony G. That in itself makes McCluster the worse pick. Then add in bow easy he was to tackle and it's not even close.

No, Arenas was taken with that pick.

He was an even worse selection than McCluster.

[nychief]

Can you place a guy on IR who isn't...you know...injured?

If it's a lingering head injury, Gun shy, ptsd situation sure.

[DaneMcCloud]

I think Pughsley's already active.

Maybe they'll bring up Darrin Reaves. Given what we saw in preseason, Reaves, Ware, and West would singlehandedly destroy every defender on the opposition.

I'm a Reaves fan so that would be all good to me.

I don't think they need another receiver on the roster.

[DaFace]

Well, at least Abdullah practiced today. Hopefully he's back up and running for this weekend.

[TimBone]

I wouldn't be shocked if he retires...
I'm kinda thinking along the same lines.

Maybe that concussion fucked with him, mentally.

Has he spoken about it at all?

[GloucesterChief]

It wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to but Dorsey and Reid said something along the lines of "take the rest of the year to think about it."

That concussion must have ****ed him up bad.

Shit like this is only the beginning. It started with that Borland guy from the 49ers last year and it's going to snowball.

Concussions can be pretty severe. Also some people are more susceptible than others.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm kinda thinking along the same lines.

Maybe that concussion fucked with him, mentally.

Has he spoken about it at all?

I wouldn't be surprising at all.

As far as I know, he hasn't made a statement.

[vailpass]

The Chargers did it to Weddle...

In what may well win the Asshole Front Office Move of the year award...

[DaFace]

I wouldn't be surprising at all.

As far as I know, he hasn't made a statement.

Nope. He's posted random things here and there on Twitter, but nothing related to the injury really.

[jjchieffan]

No, Arenas was taken with that pick.

He was an even worse selection than McCluster.

I guess it was Arenas. Thanks for correcting me. But I'm still going to call McCluster the worse pick of those 2. First, a nickel corner makes way more since in round 2 than a midget gadget player. Secondly, we traded Arenas for Sherman, who is still on the team and one of the best fullbacks in the league. That trade makes the Arenas pick a win. Without the trade, yeah, wasted pick.

[Bob Dole]

Concussions can be pretty severe. Also some people are more susceptible than others.

Dude was absolutely drilled, intentionally, in the side of the head in a dirty hit that would have concussed anyone.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

That's why you draft undersized gadget players in the middle and late rounds.

I don't really like those picks with a team that has as many holes as the Chiefs did n 2013, but it was a far better selection than McCluster, who was not only too damn small, but too damn slow.

[O.city]

Can't blame someone for not wanting to keep going after getting hit like that

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I hope they bring up Fred Williams . the dude NEVER DROPPED A PASS IN PRESEASON.

[O.city]

Almost wonder if it's a drug problem or something. Seems wei4d

[GloucesterChief]

Dude was absolutely drilled, intentionally, in the side of the head in a dirty hit that would have concussed anyone.

I am not saying it is his fault at all. It was a vicious hit. Just some people get over them faster than others and if they do get them they are less severe. I have no idea if DAT has any history with concussions. If it was his first one, I could see it being pretty troubling.

[Hammock Parties]

Had such high hopes for him. Thought he could replace DMC. Sad. :(

[DaFace]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have placed placed De’Anthony Thomas on reserve/non-football illness.</p>&mdash; x-Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/682684045038227456">December 31, 2015</a></blockquote>

So technically it's NFI rather than IR. It's gotta be freaked out by the concussion, right? I mean, what else COULD this be?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Got the impression from a few places that he just didn't have the desire to play anymore.

[Mr. Laz]

should have been looking for replacement weeks ago

Can Williams or Reaves return punts?

[LoneWolf]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have placed placed De’Anthony Thomas on reserve/non-football illness.</p>&mdash; x-Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/682684045038227456">December 31, 2015</a></blockquote>

So technically it's NFI rather than IR. It's gotta be freaked out by the concussion, right? I mean, what else COULD this be?

Lymphoma

[O.city]

Got the impression from a few places that he just didn't have the desire to play anymore.

Seems to be the idea

[DaFace]

Lymphoma

Reid has described it as "working through some personal issues" or something like that, so it doesn't seem like it would be something like that.

[TLO]

That's why you draft undersized gadget players in the middle and late rounds.

I don't really like those picks with a team that has as many holes as the Chiefs did n 2013, but it was a far better selection than McCluster, who was not only too damn small, but too damn slow.

This was kind of the point I was trying to make. I don't like gadget players anywhere before round 5. Fact is that both DAT and McCluster were bad draft picks.

I liked DAT as a player, but every time he got hit it liked like he literally got killed.

[jjchieffan]

I was looking at the transactions page to see if I could find anything on who was being signed to take his spot. I didn't find anything, but I did notice that the Chargers cut Vincent Brown again. Wow! What happened to him? He was such a promising receiver. But now, with San Diego having absolutely nobody to catch the ball, he still can't hold a roster spot.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Reid has described it as "working through some personal issues," so it doesn't seem like it would be something like that.

Mellinger said something similar, (paraphrasing) "He has some things to work out."

It really sounds like his heart just isn't in the game.

[RunKC]

This was kind of the point I was trying to make. I don't like gadget players anywhere before round 5. Fact is that both DAT and McCluster were bad draft picks.

I liked DAT as a player, but every time he got hit it liked like he literally got killed.

No problem with where he was picked. After the top 100 picks, it's a complete crapshoot of Project players. That's the perfect time to take guys like that

[DaFace]

Mellinger said something similar, (paraphrasing) "He has some things to work out."

It really sounds like his heart just isn't in the game.

Well, I think it's "heart isn't in the game because he's freaked out that he's gonna get hit again and not think straight for the rest of his life." Omitting the concussion aspect of it makes it sound like he just got lazy all of a sudden.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Well, I think it's "heart isn't in the game because he's freaked out that he's gonna get hit again and not think straight for the rest of his life." Omitting the concussion aspect of it makes it sound like he just got lazy all of a sudden.

Wouldn't be the first player to just walk away and injury have nothing to do with it, but of course, it absolutely could have a lot to do with it.

[Chromatic]

Well, here is the play that did it.

So long, DAT. Maybe. Enjoy every sandwich.

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[Red Dawg]

You never know what the docs told him. He's small and maybe his concussion was super bad and they got him thinking about his health. He was not a bad draft pick and has been all class. If he quits I wish him the best.

[Chromatic]

He was definitely out on his feet for a few seconds.

[RINGLEADER]

I'm kinda thinking along the same lines.

Maybe that concussion ****ed with him, mentally.

Has he spoken about it at all?

Probably this. If dude is afraid to take any hit then there's not a lot you can do. Not faulting him for doing what he thinks he needs to do if this is the case but sucks all the same.

[BigMeatballDave]

Almost wonder if it's a drug problem or something. Seems wei4d

Doubtful. Very likely would have been discovered by now.

[Rain Man]

Well, here is the play that did it.

So long, DAT. Maybe. Enjoy every sandwich.




Thanks. I remembered the hit but wanted to see it again.

I don't think it was an intentional head shot, but I could see someone else interpreting it differently.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Even so, you expect a 4th round guy to at least stay on the team for 2 years.

Concussions are fickle now especially with all of the CTE effects. He couldn't stay healthy last year and now has this issue. I support him whatever he does. Didn't live up to his potential.

[DaneMcCloud]

In what may well win the Asshole Front Office Move of the year award...

Yeah, why would any player sign with them in the future knowing that GM (who was extended before the 2015 season) would pull some shit like that?

[MotherfuckerJones]

Well, here is the play that did it.

So long, DAT. Maybe. Enjoy every sandwich.

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That fucking Addai. He head hunts for SD. Kid can bring the wood.

[mdchiefsfan]

No, Arenas was taken with that pick.

He was an even worse selection than McCluster.

We got Sherman for Arenas. I'll take it.

[RINGLEADER]

What's odd is he still posts to Twitter like he wants to play, retweeted the Chiefs tweets about him coming back to practice, etc. Really strange.

[Baby Lee]

That fucking Addai. He head hunts for SD. Kid can bring the wood.

I know there are different rules for different leagues, but someone want to take a stab at how this was different from what got Burgess ejected against Texas A&M?

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[Direckshun]

I hope he's well.

The good news is we don't particularly need him at this point. Hammond is a good returner so long as he doesn't muff a punt.

[Simply Red]

Good luck at the Winn Dixie bud.

[BigMeatballDave]

I know there are different rules for different leagues, but someone want to take a stab at how this was different from what got Burgess ejected against Texas A&M?

Yeah, I have no clue why the NFL hasn't adopted this Targeting rule.

[Simply Red]

Usually they'll have flexible scheduling so you can score another job atop of that one - and work 90 hrs a week. Good luck looser!

[stevieray]

Dirty hit.

:#

[stevieray]

Usually they'll have flexible scheduling so you can score another job atop of that one - and work 90 hrs a week. Good luck looser!

you seem nice.

[Baby Lee]

Usually they'll have flexible scheduling so you can score another job atop of that one - and work 90 hrs a week. Good luck looser!

You seem, . . . lost? ;)

[srvy]

Had such high hopes for him. Thought he could replace DMC. Sad. :(

A turd sandwich could have replace McFalldown.

[TLO]

I hope he's well.

The good news is we don't particularly need him at this point. Hammond is a good returner so long as he doesn't muff a punt.

Muffing a punt on your own end of the field is the kind of thing that loses playoff games.

[BigMeatballDave]

Muffing a punt on your own end of the field is the kind of thing that loses playoff games.

They just need to eliminate punting...

[KChiefsQT]

I hope he's well.

The good news is we don't particularly need him at this point. Hammond is a good returner so long as he doesn't muff a punt.

Hammond scares the shit out of me. Every time he's back there I cringe.

[Baby Lee]

Muffing a punt on your own end of the field is the kind of thing that loses playoff games.

Not for us. Not with Alex. If Alex is your QB, apparently you can muff punt after punt in the shadow of your own goal line, and the loss is still his fault. ;)

[srvy]

Muffing a punt on your own end of the field is the kind of thing that loses playoff games.

Both those muffs were in extreme weather conditions. You dont like it but shit happens.

[Rain Man]

They just need to eliminate punting...

We didn't have to worry about punt returns when Greg Robinson was the defensive coordinator.

[SAUTO]

We didn't have to worry about punt returns when Greg Robinson was the defensive coordinator.

The good old days...

[ILChief]

We didn't have to worry about punt returns when Greg Robinson was the defensive coordinator.

Nope, kickoff returns were much more frequent

[srvy]

Lots of speculation on DAT. I have learned with Dorsey and Reid they can lock down this personal matters shit. Hell I am still confused as to what actually happened with Catapano. A little shit like DAT has taken some shots in his football life I doubt he is scared. I would almost more be looking at Depression but that way out there speculating. Most likely what ever it is DAT has lost the organization trust and won't be long for the Chiefs.

[FlaChief58]

http://www.profootballrumors.com/chiefs-place-deanthony-thomas-on-ir/

Sounds like it really fucked him up. No matter what he decides to do, I wish him the best of luck

[Eleazar]

Good night sweet prince

[Meatloaf]

DAT definitely brought some excitement to the franchise when he was drafted. Hopefully, he "works stuff out" and decides to return. In any event, wish the kid the best in his future pursuits....whatever they may be.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Which game did he get injured in?

[-King-]

Lots of speculation on DAT. I have learned with Dorsey and Reid they can lock down this personal matters shit. Hell I am still confused as to what actually happened with Catapano. A little shit like DAT has taken some shots in his football life I doubt he is scared. I would almost more be looking at Depression but that way out there speculating. Most likely what ever it is DAT has lost the organization trust and won't be long for the Chiefs.

I think concussions are a little different, especially in this day and age. I think he and many players can handle breaking a bone or tearing a ligament/muscle. But many of them are starting to become wary of head injuries. When you hear old players can't think straight and have severe memory issues and suicidal thoughts, that has a bigger affect on you than a physical injury does.

[Rain Man]

Which game did he get injured in?

Chargers. The clip is further down in this thread.

[Eleazar]

There was a hockey player here who sustained a lot of concussions and eventually was having a lot of issues and taking a lot of drugs to keep himself together, and eventually his life was messed up because of the narcotics. Maybe DAT is having issues with recovery from all of that? A non-football injury would be a possibility there.

[BossChief]

That's a shame. We could really use him in the postseason.

[Spott]

That fucking Addai. He head hunts for SD. Kid can bring the wood.

He's a very dirty player. In the second game he was going for knockout shots to the head quite a few times. Hope karma catches up to him and he dies in a fire.

[BossChief]

I think concussions are a little different, especially in this day and age. I think he and many players can handle breaking a bone or tearing a ligament/muscle. But many of them are starting to become wary of head injuries. When you hear old players can't think straight and have severe memory issues and suicidal thoughts, that has a bigger affect on you than a physical injury does.

Dan Patrick saw the movie and describes a part where the doctor goes to visit Mike Webster almost literally "in a van, down by the river" and Mike is there pulling his teeth out with pliers and trying to superglue them back in.

Some of the stories about older players that played before modern headgear are straight up terrifying.

I don't blame the kid for walking away if he's having issues after that hit.

[Tribal Warfare]

I'm not surprised, shit the guy looked like a little kid on the field, and when mother fuckers who are 220 + pounds coming at a guy who is 170 at full speed this stuff happens.

[DaneMcCloud]

Both those muffs were in extreme weather conditions. You dont like it but shit happens.

And they occurred more than a year after he last caught a punt in regular season

[stevieray]

I'm not surprised, shit the guy looked like a little kid on the field, and when mother ****ers who are 220 + pounds coming at a guy who is 170 at full speed this stuff happens.

I tripped and fell and she got pregnant.

Dude was speared. On purpose.

[TLO]

I'm not surprised, shit the guy looked like a little kid on the field, and when mother ****ers who are 220 + pounds coming at a guy who is 170 at full speed this stuff happens.

Yes exactly!

[stevieray]

Yes exactly!

NO

[Tribal Warfare]

I tripped and fell and she got pregnant.

Dude was speared. On purpose.


Point still stands guys that size won't last long. Do you really believe his career would've lasted at best 7 years considering his build and position he plays.

[Mr. Laz]

Lots of speculation on DAT. I have learned with Dorsey and Reid they can lock down this personal matters shit. Hell I am still confused as to what actually happened with Catapano. A little shit like DAT has taken some shots in his football life I doubt he is scared. I would almost more be looking at Depression but that way out there speculating. Most likely what ever it is DAT has lost the organization trust and won't be long for the Chiefs.

So the Cone of Silence is alive and well at Arrowhead then?

[stevieray]

Point still stands guys that size won't last long.

Not true.

Dante Hall? Darren Sproles?

Just admit the fact that an illegal hit might've ended his career.

[DenverChief]

Just for reference sake


MILD TBI (CONCUSSION) SYMPTOMS AND DIAGNOSES•
A mild TBI, otherwise known as a concussion, is caused by a
blow or jolt to the head that disrupts the function of the
brain. Not all blows or jolts to the head cause brain injury. In
combat, concussions are usually caused by a bullet fragment,
blast, fall, direct impact or motor vehicle crash. Some, but not
all, persons with concussion lose consciousness. To be
diagnosed with a concussion, an individual must have:
>
sustained an injury event (i.e., from blast/explosion, fall,
motor vehicle crash, fragmentation injury, etc.), and
>
within the course of sustaining that event, experienced an
alteration in mental status, such as having a loss of
memory at the time of the injury, losing consciousness at
least for a brief period, or even “seeing stars.”
>
complaints after sustaining a mild TBI, often referred to
as as post-concussion symptoms, include headache, dizziness,
nausea/vomiting, trouble concentrating, memory
problems, irritability, fatigue, ringing in the ears and
sensitivity to noise and light.
>
In a small percentage of people, symptoms may persist for
months or years


http://www.publichealth.va.gov/docs/exposures/TBI-pocketcard.pdf

[stevieray]

Do you really believe his career would've lasted at best 7 years considering his build and position he plays.
Average NFL career is 3 years.

[Tribal Warfare]

Not true.

Dante Hall? Darren Sproles?

Just admit the fact that an illegal hit might've ended his career.

all built bigger than her was too Dante was 190, Sproles is a fucking bowling ball at 190 .

[Chiefs Pantalones]

In the deepest WR draft in recent memory we picked a gadget player. Unbelievable lol.

[stevieray]

all built bigger than her was too Dante was 190, Sproles is a ****ing bowling ball at 190 .


:rolleyes:

Dante weighed 187
DAT weighs 176

[Tribal Warfare]

Average NFL career is 3 years.


3.3 years, and I know this already. That is the standard bench mark, of when a player develops.

[RunKC]

Same type of cheap ass hit ended Priest Holmes career on that very field.

[stevieray]

3.3 years, and I know this already. That is the standard bench mark, of when a player develops.
Water is wet

[-King-]

In the deepest WR draft in recent memory we picked a gadget player. Unbelievable lol.

....in the 4th round.

[Tribal Warfare]

:rolleyes:



a natural 190 pound frame is a fuckton bigger than someone who is 170 pounds.

[DenverChief]

Why is anyone arguing about player size? The brain doesn't care how big he body is when it comes to concussions/TBI

[Chiefs Pantalones]

....in the 4th round.

Did we draft a WR in that deepest WR draft in recent memory when we clearly needed an upgrade at the position? Nope. That's my point.

[-King-]

Not true.

Dante Hall? Darren Sproles?

Just admit the fact that an illegal hit might've ended his career.

In what way was that hit illegal? Or a spear?

https://i.gyazo.com/7b88be8110becd833a49ff31c5f269f3.gif

I don't even think it's the hit that gave him the concussion, it's his head snapping and hitting the field.

[SAUTO]

a natural 190 pound frame is a fuckton bigger than someone who is 170 pounds.

Actually it's only 20 lbs, I wouldn't consider that a "fuckton".

[Tribal Warfare]

Water is wet

no joke dude

[stevieray]

Why is anyone arguing about player size? The brain doesn't care how big he body is when it comes to concussions/TBI
Someone has a personal bias.

[stevieray]

Actually it's only 20 lbs, I wouldn't consider that a "****ton".

11 lbs.

[Tribal Warfare]

Why is anyone arguing about player size? The brain doesn't care how big he body is when it comes to concussions/TBI


a player size does count a guy like Lawrence Taylor who'd built like a goddamn monster ( look at his skull) can take hit to the head differently in comparison to someone who's drastically smaller. Like an Adult can take a harder hit to the head than a child.

[DenverChief]

In what way was that hit illegal? Or a spear?

https://i.gyazo.com/7b88be8110becd833a49ff31c5f269f3.gif

I don't even think it's the hit that gave him the concussion, it's his head snapping and hitting the field.

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[DaneMcCloud]

Did we draft a WR in that deepest WR draft in recent memory when we clearly needed an upgrade at the position? Nope. That's my point.

Eh, it turned out pretty well, regardless.

Maclin, Wilson and Conley are a good corp and Maclin provided at least 1,000 yards this season.

As it's been mentioned in other threads, Kelce is the #2 option, not the #2 WR in this offense, so spending a 1st rounder probably wouldn't have been too wise.

[srvy]

So the Cone of Silence is alive and well at Arrowhead then?

I think its more the players wishes. What is that law HEPA?

[DenverChief]

a player size does count a guy like Lawrence Taylor who'd built like a goddamn monster ( look at his skull) can take hit to the head differently in comparison to someone who's drastically smaller. Like an Adult can take a harder hit to the head than a child.


Negative - when it comes to the brain it doesn't matter - a concussion is a result of the brain being bounced around inside the skull and usually occur when there are forces in play in multiple directions.

The physical size of a human being has absolutely zero to do with concussions

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Eh, it turned out pretty well, regardless.

Maclin, Wilson and Conley are a good corp and Maclin provided at least 1,000 yards this season.

As it's been mentioned in other threads, Kelce is the #2 option, not the #2 WR in this offense, so spending a 1st rounder probably wouldn't have been too wise.

They need a legit option outside of Maclin next year, IMO. Wilson is just meh. Maybe Conley can make that leap. More weapons the better really, in today's NFL.

[Tribal Warfare]

Negative - when it comes to the brain it doesn't matter - a concussion is a result of the brain being bounced around inside the skull and usually occur when there are forces in play in multiple directions.

The phycial size of a human being has absolutely zero to do with concussions

Really now?

[srvy]

I think concussions are a little different, especially in this day and age. I think he and many players can handle breaking a bone or tearing a ligament/muscle. But many of them are starting to become wary of head injuries. When you hear old players can't think straight and have severe memory issues and suicidal thoughts, that has a bigger affect on you than a physical injury does.

But is this concussion related? Non football related. I take that as it is something else. Seems to me side effects lingering after finishing protocol would be football related. Maybe we are jumping the gun here.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Not true.

Dante Hall? Darren Sproles?

Just admit the fact that an illegal hit might've ended his career.

5'8 190

5'6 190

5'10 176

One of these is not like the other.

[DenverChief]

Really now?

It's all about forces applied. A 50 mph collision on the brain is no different if you are 120lbs or 400 lbs. it's the brain that matters.

[stevieray]

5'8 187

5'6 190

5'10 176

One of these is not like the other.
Ya, thicker wheels.

[Tribal Warfare]

It's all about forces applied. A 50 mph collision on the brain is no different if you are 120lbs or 400 lbs. it's the brain that matters.

and size is directly related with what's surrounding it( the brain, hence helmets) too. As I said before in comparison to an adult and a child.

[stevieray]

L. Bell 6'1" 220

M Lynch 5' 11" 215

J Charles 5'11" 199


One of these is not like the other.

[O.city]

Good physics lesson going here. Not much if it is right, but good none the less

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Negative - when it comes to the brain it doesn't matter - a concussion is a result of the brain being bounced around inside the skull and usually occur when there are forces in play in multiple directions.

The phycial size of a human being has absolutely zero to do with concussions

This is not true.

Although the same force is delivered to a reinforced concrete wall and a rabbit when you hit it with your car at 50 mph, one is demolished while the other demolishes you.

On top of that, an individual with a smaller mass has lower momentum when traveling at the same velocity as a more massive individual. They are easier to decelerate, and when their body is decelerated, their brain smashes at their former velocity against the front of their skull and then rebounds against the back of their skull.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

L. Bell 6'1" 220

M Lynch 5' 11" 215

J Charles 5'11" 199


One of these is not like the other.

Yeah, one of them is much smaller than the other two, just like Thomas is much smaller than Hall and Sproles.

Thanks for proving my point.

[stevieray]

Yeah, one of them is much smaller than the other two, just like Thomas is much smaller than Hall and Sproles.

Thanks for proving my point.
Except that the "smaller" guy holds the highest YPC in NFL history.

You have no point.

much smaller..LMAO

[O.city]

Except that the smaller guy holds the highest YPC in NFL history.

You have no point.

much smaller..LMAO

This makes no sense and isn't near the point you seem to think it is.

[stevieray]

This makes no sense and isn't near the point you seem to think it is.

When you have rebuttal, try again.

[DenverChief]

and size is directly related with what's surrounding it( the brain, hence helmets) too. As I said before in comparison to an adult and a child.

I don't think you understand exactly how concussions work. The brain is soft tissue - the skull surrounding it is hard. If a force is strong enough to "smack" the brain against the skull then you have a concussion. It doesn't matter if you hit your head or not. Concussions can occur from the force of a car accident where a vehicle comes to a sudden stop in one direction. Bomb blasts are another great example. What surrounds the head doesn't necessarily help with mitigating concussions. The helmets help with preventing physical injury and tend to lessen the impact of uni-directional forces, but a multi-direction force can still cause a terrible concussion even if you are wearing a mattress on your head.

[DenverChief]

This is not true.

Although the same force is delivered to a reinforced concrete wall and a rabbit when you hit it with your car at 50 mph, one is demolished while the other demolishes you.

On top of that, an individual with a smaller mass has lower momentum when traveling at the same velocity as a more massive individual. They are easier to decelerate, and when their body is decelerated, their brain smashes at their former velocity against the front of their skull and then rebounds against the back of their skull.

That would be a great analogy if our brains were separated into "rabbit" and "concrete wall" categories.

This is a terrible example - it's all about the brain - that is what you aren't getting, a 400 lb muscular linebacker has the same brain construction as a 120 lb scrawny kicker - if either one takes a 50 mph to zero in less than a second impact on their brain it doesn't matter what size their body is it will still be a concussion.

[O.city]

When you have rebuttal, try again.

There's no need for a rebuttal, your post makes no contextual sense.

But keep trying

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Except that the smaller guy holds the highest YPC in NFL history.

You have no point.

Your point was that Sproles, Thomas, and Hall were the same size. They are not.

Now, you've deflected to talking about productivity, which was never part of the discussion.

Stay on topic.

[DaNewGuy]

No more Hammond :(

[stevieray]

Your point was that Sproles, Thomas, and Hall were the same size. They are not.

Now, you've deflected to talking about productivity, which was never part of the discussion.

Stay on topic.

No, my point is that smaller guys make it in the NFL.

Productivity aside, he's 15 -20 lbs lighter, yet can still get the job done.

Stay on point.

[DaFace]

Except that the "smaller" guy holds the highest YPC in NFL history.

You have no point.

much smaller..LMAO
And gets hurt every other year.

[DenverChief]

And gets hurt every other year.

Hey, I'll buy that the smaller guys get bodily injuries (knees, ankles, hands etc) at a higher rate than bigger guys ...

[Baby Lee]

In what way was that hit illegal? Or a spear?

In reference to the NCAA rule on targeting [not the rule in NFL, but instructive].

Risk of a foul is high with one or more of these:

Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head or neck area—even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet

[stevieray]

And gets hurt every other year.
There are players at every size and every position that struggle with injuries.

Geez dude, it's a BRAIN injury. Have at least a bit of compassion.

He's an exciting player, who has already shown he can take it to the house, and you guys act like he's a peasant worker.

[Baby Lee]

I tripped and fell and she got pregnant.

Dude was speared. On purpose.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/12/16/saudi-millionaire-tripped-penetrated-teen-girl-cleared-rape-charge/77416928/

['Hamas' Jenkins]

That would be a great analogy if our brains were separated into "rabbit" and "concrete wall" categories.

This is a terrible example - it's all about the brain - that is what you aren't getting, a 400 lb muscular linebacker has the same brain construction as a 120 lb scrawny kicker - if either one takes a 50 mph to zero in less than a second impact on their brain it doesn't matter what size their body is it will still be a concussion.

This is not true, either.

Impulse equals the change in momentum.

F*∆t=m∆v

So, let's say that De'Anthony Thomas is running at his average speed during a 40, of 8.89 m/s

He weighs 80 kg.

F*∆t=80*8.89= 711.2 Newtons

Now, let's take Adrian Peterson, whose average speed during a 40 is 9.09 m/s and weighs 100 kilos

F*∆t=100*9.09=909 Newtons

Thus, you need to apply a force that is almost 30 percent greater to stop Peterson than Thomas.

But, let's say that a MLB is bearing down on both of them.

Luke Kuechly is 108 kilos and ran at an average speed of 8.73 m/s

He can deliver 943 Newtons of force.

So, what happens if both were running head on into each other?

943*∆t= 711.2; ∆t=.754

943*∆t=909; ∆t=.963

De'Anthony Thomas experience a much greater negative acceleration (deceleration) than does Peterson. Thus, his brain hits the front of his head with much greater force than Peterson, which increases the chances of injury.

Tl;Dr version? You're completely wrong.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

No, my point is that smaller guys make it in the NFL.

Productivity aside, he's 15 -20 lbs lighter, yet can still get the job done.

Stay on point.

I wasn't the one who changed the topic.

Moreover, guys like Lynch are significantly more durable than players like Charles, both within a season and from season to season.

[stevieray]

Moreover, guys like Lynch are significantly more durable than players like Charles, both within a season and from season to season.

Every player is one play away from not being "durable".

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Every player is one play away from not being "durable".

Of course soft tissue injuries, like ligament tears, can happen to everyone. No one denied that; but there is a reason why OL weigh 300 pounds and not 220, and why RBs that weigh 220 last longer and can carry the ball more than those who weigh 195.

[DenverChief]

This is not true, either.

Impulse equals the change in momentum.

F*∆t=m∆v

So, let's say that De'Anthony Thomas is running at his average speed during a 40, of 8.89 m/s

He weighs 80 kg.

F*∆t=80*8.89= 711.2 Newtons

Now, let's take Adrian Peterson, whose average speed during a 40 is 9.09 m/s and weighs 100 kilos

F*∆t=100*9.09=909 Newtons

Thus, you need to apply a force that is almost 30 percent greater to stop Peterson than Thomas.

But, let's say that a MLB is bearing down on both of them.

Luke Kuechly is 108 kilos and ran at an average speed of 8.73 m/s

He can deliver 943 Newtons of force.

So, what happens if both were running head on into each other?

943*∆t= 711.2; ∆t=.754

943*∆t=909; ∆t=.963

De'Anthony Thomas experience a much greater negative acceleration (deceleration) than does Peterson. Thus, his brain hits the front of his head with much greater force than Peterson, which increases the chances of injury.

Tl;Dr version? You're completely wrong.

So what you are saying is that a 400 lb Defensive Lineman can't get a concussion from a bomb blast or a car accident .... because well they are bigger

and FWIW the injuries MOST often occur when the deceleration is from the ground not two players running head long into each other - nice analogy but completely wrong

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So what you are saying is that a 400 lb Defensive Lineman can't get a concussion from a bomb blast or a car accident .... because well they are bigger

No, you stupid fuck. Perhaps you should learn how to read.

[DenverChief]

No, you stupid ****. Perhaps you should learn how to read.

I did read - you just said that a bigger individual has a slower deceleration on an impact than a smaller guy thus making them less prone to concussion.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I did read - you just said that a bigger individual has a slower deceleration on an impact than a smaller guy thus making them less prone to concussion.

Yes, but you seem to be unable to understand that less prone does not mean impervious.

Do you have any fucking idea how much more powerful a bomb explosion is than an NFL tackle?

[stevieray]

Of course soft tissue injuries, like ligament tears, can happen to everyone. No one denied that; but there is a reason why OL weigh 300 pounds and not 220, and why RBs that weigh 220 last longer and can carry the ball more than those who weigh 195.

....tell that to Barry Sanders.

Furthermore, there are identical lineman in weight, and one player's career lasts 14 years, another only three.

It's about the individual.

[DenverChief]

Yes, but you seem to be unable to understand that less prone does not mean impervious.

Do you have any ****ing idea how much more powerful a bomb explosion is than an NFL tackle?

Dude I go to car accidents every damn day as both a police officer and more recently as an EMT firefighter....what I do know is that an NFL tackle is similar to a car accident (when speaking about the forces involved) it matters not the physical characteristics of the driver (or passengers). Its the amount of force applied. Basically what I have been getting at all along that you can't seem to comprehend is the same force applied equally to any players noggin can and usually will result in a concussion/TBI regardless of how skinny or fat they are.

[FloridaMan88]

If this was a concussion issue, DAT would still be on the Chiefs injury report as still dealing with concussion-like symptoms.

That is not the issue, since the Chiefs have categorized DAT's absence as "non-football-related".

[DenverChief]

If this was a concussion issue, DAT would still be on the Chiefs injury report as still dealing with concussion-like symptoms.

That is not the issue, since the Chiefs have categorized DAT's absence as "non-football-related".

Unless it psyched him out - "I feel fine, I just don't want to do that again" kinda thing

[Chromatic]

Unless it psyched him out - "I feel fine, I just don't want to do that again" kinda thing

I sincerely believe that might be the case. The concussion stuff has been spreading throughout the league for a while now and players have started to retire early because of it.

Like I said earlier, this is just the beginning.

[FloridaMan88]

I sincerely believe that might be the case. The concussion stuff has been spreading throughout the league for a while now and players have started to retire early because of it.

Like I said earlier, this is just the beginning.

The concussion thing is so overblown and political it is a joke.

I look at Frank Gifford as the perfect example. His family decides to release the fact he had CTE and somehow we are supposed to believe that made him lead a damaged life.

A guy who lived until 84 years old (longer than the average lifespan for an American male), and who had a pretty robust and active post-football life in Hollywood and broadcasting.

If DAT wants to give up what he has worked hard for all of his life… football because of the overblown fear of concussions, then he is not making a smart decision.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

He's posting a lot on Twitter, even up to just 30 minutes ago. Not one word about his situation though. It's weird that they won't tell everyone what's going on.

[SAUTO]

And gets hurt every other year.

Being fair so does lynch and bell is on ir also

[Chromatic]

lol yeah brah all those former players coming out and saying they're having memory problems and problems concentrating and having problems with depression thats getting worse by the year and saying they wish they'd chosen a different career path is so overblown.

it's all politics brah. pc police run amokkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[FloridaMan88]

lol yeah brah all those former players coming out and saying they're having memory problems and problems concentrating and having problems with depression thats getting worse by the year and saying they wish they'd chosen a different career path is so overblown.

it's all politics brah. pc police run amokkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

A lot of the players who are saying that also happen to be broke and looking for more $$$ from the NFL. It is mostly a money grab.

[lewdog]

He's not really good enough to care what his decision is either way.

[SAUTO]

I wasn't the one who changed the topic.

Moreover, guys like Lynch are significantly more durable than players like Charles, both within a season and from season to season.

Actually in 8 seasons Charles has more 15-16 game seasons than lynch has had in 10

[Chromatic]

A lot of the players who are saying that also happen to be broke and looking for more $$$ from the NFL. It is mostly a money grab.

Some of them, sure.

But when it's guys like Favre who says he's having memory and mood problems that weren't there before, or Neil Smith saying he regrets playing football, not to mention all the CTE they're finding on the brains of dead ex-football players, it's definitely a situation where people should be(and are) saying that maybe there's something here that needs to be explored further.

How the sport responds to this is going to be really interesting in the next 10-20 years.

[DenverChief]

The concussion thing is so overblown and political it is a joke.

I look at Frank Gifford as the perfect example. His family decides to release the fact he had CTE and somehow we are supposed to believe that made him lead a damaged life.

A guy who lived until 84 years old (longer than the average lifespan for an American male), and who had a pretty robust and active post-football life in Hollywood and broadcasting.

If DAT wants to give up what he has worked hard for all of his life… football because of the overblown fear of concussions, then he is not making a smart decision.

Overblown? Really?

[srvy]

He's posting a lot on Twitter, even up to just 30 minutes ago. Not one word about his situation though. It's weird that they won't tell everyone what's going on.

Not to be an ass but really its none of our business. Would you want your employer discussing with the office your personal matters.

[Baby Lee]

This is not true, either.

Impulse equals the change in momentum.

F*∆t=m∆v

So, let's say that De'Anthony Thomas is running at his average speed during a 40, of 8.89 m/s

He weighs 80 kg.

F*∆t=80*8.89= 711.2 Newtons

Now, let's take Adrian Peterson, whose average speed during a 40 is 9.09 m/s and weighs 100 kilos

F*∆t=100*9.09=909 Newtons

Thus, you need to apply a force that is almost 30 percent greater to stop Peterson than Thomas.

But, let's say that a MLB is bearing down on both of them.

Luke Kuechly is 108 kilos and ran at an average speed of 8.73 m/s

He can deliver 943 Newtons of force.

So, what happens if both were running head on into each other?

943*∆t= 711.2; ∆t=.754

943*∆t=909; ∆t=.963

De'Anthony Thomas experience a much greater negative acceleration (deceleration) than does Peterson. Thus, his brain hits the front of his head with much greater force than Peterson, which increases the chances of injury.

Tl;Dr version? You're completely wrong.

This is all well and good, but the two things it neglects.

1. The aforementioned effect of striking the ground, which is a much more immovable object than an opposing player.

2. How close the respective ∆ts are to the critical value for skull deceleration. If both are well above, it's not much of a difference.

[NJChiefsFan]

Wasn't there an article written about MJD a few years ago that went over the statistics of smaller guys not getting hurt more when statistically compared to larger players(don't think it included concussions).

[Vietnam58]

always kinda had the feeling that DAT wasnt built for the NFL. .

still think it was a good value draft pick at the time though

[michaelj_58]

hammond scares me everytime he receives a punt,next man up please!!!

[007]

wasted draft pick. I feel for the guy but you know what you are getting yourself in for when you want to play in the NFL.

[HemiEd]

No, Arenas was taken with that pick.

He was an even worse selection than McCluster.

Yep, I was pissed.

[Sandy Vagina]

hammond scares me everytime he receives a punt,next man up please!!!

Would be such a good time to bring Fred Williams on to the 53, and give him the opportunity vs Oakland. What's the worst that could happen? KC is already playoff bound.

[Vietnam58]

hammond scares me everytime he receives a punt,next man up please!!!

seriously u can tell he's scared catching it. . hes gonna end up costing us a game soon . .

[milkman]

Would be such a good time to bring Fred Williams on to the 53, and give him the opportunity vs Oakland. What's the worst that could happen? KC is already playoff bound.

Well, he might take a catch away from Jason Avant, and Avant only needs two more receptions to get to 16 on the year.

I mean, that's an average of 1 per game, and that's the kind of production that you just can't replace.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Well, he might take a catch away from Jason Avant, and Avant only needs two more receptions to get to 16 on the year.

I mean, that's an average of 1 per game, and that's the kind of production that you just can't replace.

Cough cough King cough cough

[-King-]

Cough cough King cough cough

1 player has been on the practice squad or worse his whole career. One player has been on NFL rosters for almost a decade. One of them is clearly better than the other. Wonder who.... Hmmm... tough one.

[milkman]

1 player has been on the practice squad or worse his whole career. One player has been on NFL rosters for almost a decade. One of them is clearly better than the other. Wonder who.... Hmmm... tough one.

2009.
One RB is sitting on the bench.
Another RB is the starter and and featured back, and has been for nearly 4 years.
One of them is clearly better than the other.
Wonder who......Hmmm.....tough one.

[scho63]

What about trying out Conley to return punts? If he is so fast and not able to get on the field with the receivers, maybe he can become a good punt returner.

Thoughts? :hmmm:

[milkman]

What about trying out Conley to return punts? If he is so fast and not able to get on the field with the receivers, maybe he can become a good punt returner.

Thoughts? :hmmm:

Did that in the preseason, and I hope to never see that again.

[scho63]

Did that in the preseason, and I hope to never see that again.

I don't remember that but from the sound of it, it didn't turn out so well. :eek:

[MotherfuckerJones]

1 player has been on the practice squad or worse his whole career. One player has been on NFL rosters for almost a decade. One of them is clearly better than the other. Wonder who.... Hmmm... tough one.

Jason Avant suck. Period.

[MotherfuckerJones]

1 player has been on the practice squad or worse his whole career. One player has been on NFL rosters for almost a decade. One of them is clearly better than the other. Wonder who.... Hmmm... tough one.

Corey Mays was on an NFL roster too...

[MotherfuckerJones]

Did that in the preseason, and I hope to never see that again.

Ya. He doesn't have the acceleration and quick twitch. He has long speed so to speak.

[-King-]

2009.
One RB is sitting on the bench.
Another RB is the starter and and featured back, and has been for nearly 4 years.
One of them is clearly better than the other.
Wonder who......Hmmm.....tough one.


Yeah, clearly Fred Williams is Jamaal Charles. Yeah, the guy who has been a pro for the past 4 years and has seen 0 regular season action is clearly as good and has as much potential as Jamaal Charles did in 2009.

[Sandy Vagina]

More than anything for PR, I just want a guy that is reliable (no muffs!) and smart with decisions of whether to fair catch or let it bounce. Extra yards are just a bonus.

[-King-]

Corey Mays was on an NFL roster too...

And he was a much better NFL player than Fred Williams is. Are you guys thinking it's a huge conspiracy by Reid and all the other coaches to keep Fred Williams on the practice squad?

That Reid knows Fred Williams is better than Avant but won't activate him for shits and giggles. Or other teams know Fred Williams is good but won't poach him from our PS for shits and giggles also?

[-King-]

Jason Avant suck. Period.

And he has more catches in one game than Fred Williams has in his career. What does that say about Fred Williams?

[milkman]

Yeah, clearly Fred Williams is Jamaal Charles. Yeah, the guy who has been a pro for the past 4 years and has seen 0 regular season action is clearly as good and has as much potential as Jamaal Charles did in 2009.

The point, dipshit, which you are clearly too fucking stupid to grasp, is that there are times when a better player isn't given the chance because coaches let experience and relationships get in the way of actual evaluation.

[-King-]

The point, dipshit, which you are clearly too fucking stupid to grasp, is that there are times when a better player isn't given the chance because coaches let experience and relationships get in the way of actual evaluation.

And that guy isn't Fred Williams who has been a pro since 2011 and clearly isn't good enough to actually make an NFL roster. Comparing him to a 3rd round pick who was great in Texas and who made the actual NFL roster in his first season is absurd.

Some guys just suck and aren't good enough. Fred Williams is that guy. It's not a conspiracy to keep him on the PS. He just plain isn't good enough to be on a roster.

[Rausch]

Did that in the preseason, and I hope to never see that again.

We need to do something.

Watching Hammond JR. go out there and fail consistently is just as bad as watching he-who-shall-not-be-named marched out there time after time once he had lost his mojo.

Someone else doesn't have to be the answer - they just have to not be a problem...

[Sandy Vagina]

More than anything for PR, I just want a guy that is reliable (no muffs!) and smart with decisions of whether to fair catch or let it bounce. Extra yards are just a bonus.


Someone else doesn't have to be the answer - they just have to not be a problem...

Yes, see? THIS ^

[MotherfuckerJones]

And he was a much better NFL player than Fred Williams is. Are you guys thinking it's a huge conspiracy by Reid and all the other coaches to keep Fred Williams on the practice squad?

That Reid knows Fred Williams is better than Avant but won't activate him for shits and giggles. Or other teams know Fred Williams is good but won't poach him from our PS for shits and giggles also?

How many times was James Harrison cut before given a real chance? No Corey Mays sucked 10 kinds of moose dicks. Mays isn't half the player Mauga is.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Yeah, clearly Fred Williams is Jamaal Charles. Yeah, the guy who has been a pro for the past 4 years and has seen 0 regular season action is clearly as good and has as much potential as Jamaal Charles did in 2009.

You don't understand the concept. You only see A=B

[-King-]

How many times was James Harrison cut before given a real chance? No Corey Mays sucked 10 kinds of moose dicks. Mays isn't half the player Mauga is.

He was cut 4 times. I'm not going to hold my breath on Fred Williams being the next James Harrison. If that's what you want to do, that's your prerogative. But he's 27 years old, this is his first year even making the practice squad. Harrison made the practice squad his first year and was even on the roster for a few weeks in that year. By his 4th season, he was MILES ahead of where Williams is now. He was actually playing in regular season games and making significant contributions. Fred isn't and never has and likely never will.

[-King-]

You don't understand the concept. You only see A=B

I understand the concept. But stop comparing Fred Williams to guys who are CLEARLY better than him. He's a guy from St fucking Cloud State University (where?), has been a pro for 4 years and is just now sniffing the practice squad for the first time this year. Comparing him to guys like Jamaal Charles and James Harrison is a joke. By their 4th years, they were playing in actual NFL games and were actually good.

[DaFace]

And that guy isn't Fred Williams who has been a pro since 2011 and clearly isn't good enough to actually make an NFL roster. Comparing him to a 3rd round pick who was great in Texas and who made the actual NFL roster in his first season is absurd.

Some guys just suck and aren't good enough. Fred Williams is that guy. It's not a conspiracy to keep him on the PS. He just plain isn't good enough to be on a roster.
I've always been fine with Avant, but Spencer Ware is a good counterpoint to your argument.

[Sandy Vagina]

He was cut 4 times. I'm not going to hold my breath on Fred Williams being the next James Harrison. If that's what you want to do, that's your prerogative. But he's 27 years old, this is his first year even making the practice squad. Harrison made the practice squad his first year and was even on the roster for a few weeks in that year. By his 4th season, he was MILES ahead of where Williams is now. He was actually playing in regular season games and making significant contributions. Fred isn't and never has and likely never will.

I don't think anyone is asking you to. Just suggesting that he may do a better role at PR than Hammond. Is that so impossible? Good time to bring him up and give him some work. Maybe he will take the opportunity and kick ass... who can say? but we KNOW what Hammond can do.. and most everyone agrees that it's not good.

[-King-]

I don't think anyone is asking you to. Just suggesting that he may do a better role at PR than Hammond. Is that so impossible? Good time to bring him up and give him some work. Maybe he will take the opportunity and kick ass... who can say? but we KNOW what Hammond can do.. and most everyone agrees that it's not good.

I don't like Hammond really either. But he does average more yards per return than DeAnthony Thomas surprisingly. So he must not be as bad as we think. And if Reid and Toub thought Fred Williams could do it better, they'd probably have switched a few weeks ago. Either they don't think he's better, or they're both stupid and don't know what they're doing. I'll bet on the former.

[-King-]

I've always been fine with Avant, but Spencer Ware is a good counterpoint to your argument.

Not really. Ware's 3 years younger than Williams. He made an NFL roster his first year in the league. He was then signed to the Chiefs his 2nd year. Made the practice squad his first year with us, and was later activated and has played in games since then.

There's a huge difference between him and Fred Williams.

[milkman]

I understand the concept. But stop comparing Fred Williams to guys who are CLEARLY better than him. He's a guy from St ****ing Cloud State University (where?), has been a pro for 4 years and is just now sniffing the practice squad for the first time this year. Comparing him to guys like Jamaal Charles and James Harrison is a joke. By their 4th years, they were playing in actual NFL games and were actually good.

No one is comparing player player.
We are comparng situations.

When I tell you that Kurt Warner was a 27 year old, who had 4 years professional experience before he got his opportunity with the Rams, and he was clearly better than Trent Green, I am not saying that Fred Williams would have a potential HoF career if given the opportunity.

I am only saying that he might well be clearly better than Jason Avant.

[-King-]

No one is comparing player player.
We are comparng situations.

When I tell you that Kurt Warner was a 27 year old, who had 4 years professional experience before he got his opportunity with the Rams, and he was clearly better than Trent Green, I am not saying that Fred Williams would have a potential HoF career if given the opportunity.

I am only saying that he might well be clearly better than Jason Avant.

Theres a slim chance chance you're right. But most likely, Fred Williams will end his career with the same number of catches he started with. And it won't be because of a conspiracy to keep him on the practice squad and out of the league. It's because he's not good enough to play in the NFL. You can literally make the Kurt Warner comparison about any 27 year old player who hasn't done shit in the league. More realistically though, Fred Williams is closer to a player who's best ever accomplishment is making a practice squad for a year or two.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I understand the concept. But stop comparing Fred Williams to guys who are CLEARLY better than him. He's a guy from St ****ing Cloud State University (where?), has been a pro for 4 years and is just now sniffing the practice squad for the first time this year. Comparing him to guys like Jamaal Charles and James Harrison is a joke. By their 4th years, they were playing in actual NFL games and were actually good.

I'm comparing situations not player for player. No one compared him to play wise to those guys. It's about the situation.

[BossChief]

And he has more catches in one game than Fred Williams has in his career. What does that say about Fred Williams?

Avant is garbage. His penalties cancel out his reception.

I'm not a big Fred Williams fan, but it's clear he should have made it over Avant.

[xztop123]

IMO the loss of Thomas is a big deal. We haven't needed him in the recent wins but our offense is better with him in than out.

For some reason Reid only likes to use DAT package/plays in the first half though. I guess he feels that you cant use them more than once or twice in a game?

[BigRedChief]

IMO the loss of Thomas is a big deal. We haven't needed him in the recent wins but our offense is better with him in than out.

For some reason Reid only likes to use DAT package/plays in the first half though. I guess he feels that you cant use them more than once or twice in a game?Really, we lose Jamal for the season, Houston for a 1/4 of the season, Hali for 3 games but Thomas not playing is the big deal?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Actually in 8 seasons Charles has more 15-16 game seasons than lynch has had in 10

Lynch has five seasons of 280+ carries. Charles has one. Charles has had his carries carefully managed his entire career because he gets dinged easily, and there is no way that someone who watches Chiefs games regularly can deny this.

[MahiMike]

Lynch has five seasons of 280+ carries. Charles has one. Charles has had his carries carefully managed his entire career because he gets dinged easily, and there is no way that someone who watches Chiefs games regularly can deny this.

2 totally different body types. Lynch could play LB if he wanted.

[saphojunkie]

Talented player, but I would far rather have a versatile skill position player who can stay onfield and block than one who we need to "get the ball to in space."

['Hamas' Jenkins]

This is all well and good, but the two things it neglects.

1. The aforementioned effect of striking the ground, which is a much more immovable object than an opposing player.

2. How close the respective ∆ts are to the critical value for skull deceleration. If both are well above, it's not much of a difference.

1) In the vast majority of tackles, striking the ground is going to happen at a speed that is much closer to gravitational acceleration. Their velocity on the y axis will be significantly slower, given that they aren't falling much of a distance at all.

2) Yes, if they are both well above it wouldn't matter much. But if they were, you would have players getting concussed on essentially every play, and even advocates of epidemic CTE acknowledge that this does not happen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

2 totally different body types. Lynch could play LB if he wanted.

It's almost like that was my point.

[RunKC]

Agree with Hamas here. I'm a big proponent of playing Jamaal at receiver more next season so he doesn't take as many hits up the middle. He could easily replace DAT's role on offense of/when he retires.

[penbrook]

Houston is practicing! Has a brace on his knee

[DaneMcCloud]

We need to do something.

Watching Hammond JR. go out there and fail consistently is just as bad as watching he-who-shall-not-be-named marched out there time after time once he had lost his mojo.

Someone else doesn't have to be the answer - they just have to not be a problem...

But this isn't the case. It's just flawed perception.

Hammond is averaging more per return than DAT, this season and last.

You can hate on Hammond all you want to but to say that DAT is a better returner is false.

Numbers don't lie.

[MotherfuckerJones]

But this isn't the case. It's just flawed perception.

Hammond is averaging more per return than DAT, this season and last.

You can hate on Hammond all you want to but to say that DAT is a better returner is false.

Numbers don't lie.

I like Hammond. He was solid in return last year. This year he wasn't on a team this year for most of the season. He also was brought back in shitty weather games. With that said I wana see some improvement Sunday. Don't make dumbass decisions.

[DaneMcCloud]

I like Hammond. He was solid in return last year. This year he wasn't on a team this year for most of the season. He also was brought back in shitty weather games. With that said I wana see some improvement Sunday. Don't make dumbass decisions.

Making poor decisions is a byproduct of not seeing the field.

Personally, I think Hammond is a more than adequate returner and 5th/6th WR and with experience, he'll continue to improve and grow.

Regardless of what happens with DAT, I hope that spending draft picks and gadget players has come to an end.

[philfree]

Without looking at stats I think Knile has been doing a better job on KOs then DAT was.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Making poor decisions is a byproduct of not seeing the field.

Personally, I think Hammond is a more than adequate returner and 5th/6th WR and with experience, he'll continue to improve and grow.

Regardless of what happens with DAT, I hope that spending draft picks and gadget players has come to an end.

I think he can be used like DAT too. Jet sweeps and short routes. I also would like to see Fred Williams get a shot this Sunday.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Without looking at stats I think Knile has been doing a better job on KOs then DAT was.

Knile has to make better decisions. His bad return was brutal last week.

[DaneMcCloud]

Knile has to make better decisions. His bad return was brutal last week.

Absolutely.

And unlike Hammond, Davis doesn't have any excuses, as he's been a returner for the last three seasons.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Absolutely.

And unlike Hammond, Davis doesn't have any excuses, as he's been a returner for the last three seasons.

IMO it's a case of not much playing time so he's trying to make some plays.

[DaneMcCloud]

IMO it's a case of not much playing time so he's trying to make some plays.

I don't know, man. He does the same stupid shit when he's in at running back.

Unless there's a clear and concise lane, he just fails.

He has zero vision.

[Chiefshrink]

Worse draft pick than McCluster..

From time spent on the field, yes but talent wise no. DAT far more talented than McCluster.

[philfree]

Knile has to make better decisions. His bad return was brutal last week.

He's gotten the ball to the 30 several times since he's been back as the KO returner.

[DaneMcCloud]

He's gotten the ball to the 30 several times since he's been back as the KO returner.

According to NFL.com, Knile Davis is 38th out of 50 in average kick return yards averaging 25.1 per return with a long of 54.

That's pretty bad.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Agree with Hamas here. I'm a big proponent of playing Jamaal at receiver more next season so he doesn't take as many hits up the middle. He could easily replace DAT's role on offense of/when he retires.

If you're going to use him as a receiver, which I think is dubious, it should be on a lot of smoke routes where he doesn't have to actually run a route.

[DTLB58]

In the deepest WR draft in recent memory we picked a gadget player. Unbelievable lol.

Yes! And Albert Wilson. The TWO BEST WR's drafts of all-time back to back no less and this is what we get!!!!! :cuss:

[DTLB58]

According to NFL.com, Knile Davis is 38th out of 50 in average kick return yards averaging 25.1 per return with a long of 54.

That's pretty bad.

How in the heck is that possible when I heard the other day the Chiefs had the best average starting field position? Punts I suppose...

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Hard to say bye to a player that put the team before himself and gave his all.

[MotherfuckerJones]

How in the heck is that possible when I heard the other day the Chiefs had the best average starting field position? Punts I suppose...

And defense forcing turnovers

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

In the deepest WR draft in recent memory we picked a gadget player. Unbelievable lol.

Easy to criticize in hindsight but we needed to draft the future replacement at OLB and all of the 'sure' WR picks had already been taken off the board, we didn't have a 2nd round pick or we could have went after Landry, and DAT came on a 4th round pick and was well worth it considering what we contributed as a rookie. Just unfortunate he got his bell rung like that.

Our situation is better now with Maclin than what it would have been gambling on Benjamin, Marqise, or Jordan matthews

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

How in the heck is that possible when I heard the other day the Chiefs had the best average starting field position? Punts I suppose...

Starting field position is also a result of the offense keeping the team from being buried inside our own 20 and giving our ST a good chance to put the opponents inside their 20. Then it's up to the defense to close it out and force the punt.

[philfree]

According to NFL.com, Knile Davis is 38th out of 50 in average kick return yards averaging 25.1 per return with a long of 54.

That's pretty bad.

I think he's had a couple called back where he had the ball out to 30. Like I said without checking any stats and really I was comparing Davis to Thomas and not the rest of the league.

[Mr. Laz]

According to NFL.com, Knile Davis is 38th out of 50 in average kick return yards averaging 25.1 per return with a long of 54.

That's pretty bad.
If he didn't insist on bringing every kick out of the endzone his numbers would probably be better.

[WhawhaWhat]

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[Sure-Oz]

My mom saw DAT around thanksgiving and said he was excited to come back soon. He was doing signings at indep center at that time

[DaneMcCloud]

If he didn't insist on bringing every kick out of the endzone his numbers would probably be better.

Agreed

[BWillie]

He has every right to quit the game, but he better give alot of his signing bonus back if he does.

[RealSNR]

This DAT thing makes me uneasy.

With Hammond back there, I can just feel Kyle Williams Part Deux happening to Alex again.

[Mr. Laz]

This DAT thing makes me uneasy.

With Hammond back there, I can just feel Kyle Williams Part Deux happening to Alex again.This Hammond thing is Andy Reid "liking" a player imo.

They would have found another returner by now if it wasn't.

[DaneMcCloud]

He has every right to quit the game, but he better give alot of his signing bonus back if he does.

LMAO

What? You're going to make a guy give back $100k or whatever for retiring due to a severe concussion? The Chiefs will save more than $600k against the cap by making him a Post June 1st designation.

I swear, you grow dumber with each post.

[DaneMcCloud]

This DAT thing makes me uneasy.

With Hammond back there, I can just feel Kyle Williams Part Deux happening to Alex again.
This Hammond thing is Andy Reid "liking" a player imo.

They would have found another returner by now if it wasn't.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Hammond as a punt returner.

As a matter of fact, his numbers would be elite if he were allowed to return a full season.

He's still a young guy with plenty of upside. Those are the types of guys I've wanted for the Chiefs going back to Marty's days.

Draft, sign, develop.

Fuck the old guys like Avant, who hasn't done shit this season, as I projected, other than to take away snaps from guys like Conley.

[BWillie]

LMAO

What? You're going to make a guy give back $100k or whatever for retiring due to a severe concussion? The Chiefs will save more than $600k against the cap by making him a Post June 1st designation.

I swear, you grow dumber with each post.

Of course they will save money because they wonr have to pay DAT anymore, but now they unexpectedly do not have a returner and a player of his skillset. So, absolutely he should be required to give back a prorated part of his signing bonus, however large or small that was.

[DaneMcCloud]

Of course they will save money because they wonr have to pay DAT anymore, but now they unexpectedly do not have a returner and a player of his skillset. So, absolutely he should be required to give back a prorated part of his signing bonus, however large or small that was.

Bullshit.

That's not how you treat NFL players, especially those that experience concussion symptoms for four weeks or more.

Do you live under a rock?

[Mr. Laz]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Hammond as a punt returner.

As a matter of fact, his numbers would be elite if he were allowed to return a full season.

He's still a young guy with plenty of upside. Those are the types of guys I've wanted for the Chiefs going back to Marty's days.

Draft, sign, develop.

Fuck the old guys like Avant, who hasn't done shit this season, as I projected, other than to take away snaps from guys like Conley.

This is were stats don't count as much as watching the game.

Hammond looks like he is ready to implode. He looks scared and unsure of himself. Maybe he gets over it or maybe he fumbles and fucks us over.

Personally i would rather have a viable option on the roster because Hammond scares the crap out of me.

[notorious]

Will Sproles be available next year?

:D

[Mr. Laz]

Will Sproles be available next year?

:D

We need someone now, before the playoffs.

We don't want Hammond to implode in the PO and we're sitting there with no option other than Maclin.