Chargers, Rams, & Raiders file relocation papers to go to LA

[Coach]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And on first day they were eligible to file their relocation application, the San Diego Chargers have done just that. Filed papers today.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/684211399896252417">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And on first day they were eligible to file their relocation application, the St. Louis Rams also have done just that. Filed papers today.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/684216026939129856">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raiders formally apply for relocation to Los Angeles: <a href="https://t.co/aSAoq299tj">https://t.co/aSAoq299tj</a> <a href="https://t.co/1qIiE3sfR9">pic.twitter.com/1qIiE3sfR9</a></p>&mdash; Scott Bair (@BairCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/BairCSN/status/684220339153317888">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[SAUTO]

Wonder where they plan on going

[Coach]

Wonder where they plan on going

Well, let's ship the Chargers and the Browns to London.

[NJChiefsFan]

Is Oakland still trying to go? Would be awkward when one team ends up staying. For any of these fan bases, I feel terrible for their die hard fans. That would be awful.

[Toby Waller]

I think over the last 2 years Ive heard the Rams were to change their Uni's this off season

[WhawhaWhat]

Wonder where they plan on going

Des Moines

[tk13]

Say hello to the Fargo Rams!

[Coach]

Is Oakland still trying to go? Would be awkward when one team ends up staying. For any of these fan bases, I feel terrible for their die hard fans. That would be awful.

Well, if you look at St. Louis Ram's twitter feed, a lot of fans are throwing a lot of "F U's" to their Twitter website.

[eDave]

Say hello to the Fargo Frackers!

FYP

[ChiefsCountry]

We will see if the NFL likes the St. Louis stadium deal. Funny thing is Chargers and Raiders would have took that offer in a heartbeat if those cities did it.

Kroenke is going for the gold. While the Dome is a POS atmosphere, its not a falling down stadium. He just going for the increase in value and that development to boom. Which its America can't blame him for that.

[tk13]

Edit the header again. Throw the Raiders in the mix too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raiders formally apply for relocation to Los Angeles: <a href="https://t.co/aSAoq299tj">https://t.co/aSAoq299tj</a> <a href="https://t.co/1qIiE3sfR9">pic.twitter.com/1qIiE3sfR9</a></p>&mdash; Scott Bair (@BairCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/BairCSN/status/684220339153317888">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Coach]

Edit the header again. Throw the Raiders in the mix too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raiders formally apply for relocation to Los Angeles: <a href="https://t.co/aSAoq299tj">https://t.co/aSAoq299tj</a> <a href="https://t.co/1qIiE3sfR9">pic.twitter.com/1qIiE3sfR9</a></p>&mdash; Scott Bair (@BairCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/BairCSN/status/684220339153317888">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Updated the OP per your request.

No way LA can have 3 teams. Who would be the most likely team(s)? I think SD and Oakland will and St. Louis getting shafted.

[tk13]

Well you don't have to do it per my request... but it definitely helps with reposts. :D

They certainly were all itching to get moving weren't they? This will have huge implications for the AFC West. Hopefully the Chiefs/Raiders rivalry doesn't get broken up... but there's a chance.

[GloucesterChief]

Updated the OP per your request.

No way LA can have 3 teams. Who would be the most likely team(s)? I think SD and Oakland will and St. Louis getting shafted.

St. Louis and San Diego. Raiders will go somewhere else. Maybe San Diego or St Louis.

Spanos wants out of SD no matter what.

[ChiefsCountry]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whether it&#39;s Rams-Chargers or Raiders-Chargers, many owners want to leave the meetings in Houston with a solution for Spanos and Chargers.</p>&mdash; Arash Markazi (@ArashMarkazi) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/684213845930434560">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[DaFace]

I haven't paid that close of attention to this - is the stadium in L.A. completely done and ready to go? And is it pretty much a done deal that two teams will move and share the place, or are there other scenarios out there?

[Psyko Tek]

Edit the header again. Throw the Raiders in the mix too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raiders formally apply for relocation to Los Angeles: <a href="https://t.co/aSAoq299tj">https://t.co/aSAoq299tj</a> <a href="https://t.co/1qIiE3sfR9">pic.twitter.com/1qIiE3sfR9</a></p>&mdash; Scott Bair (@BairCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/BairCSN/status/684220339153317888">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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is that ginger nightmare crypt keeper's son?
a'ight

[Coach]

I haven't paid that close of attention to this - is the stadium in L.A. completely done and ready to go? And is it pretty much a done deal that two teams will move and share the place, or are there other scenarios out there?

There has been some scenarios out there, one I hear occasionally is SD and Oakland moving, and one of them may have to relocate to the NFC West.

[Brock]

Updated the OP per your request.

No way LA can have 3 teams. Who would be the most likely team(s)? I think SD and Oakland will and St. Louis getting shafted.

Kroenke cannot be bargained with, he can't be reasoned with, doesn't feel pity, remorse or fear. And he absolutely will not stop.

[ChiefsCountry]

I haven't paid that close of attention to this - is the stadium in L.A. completely done and ready to go? And is it pretty much a done deal that two teams will move and share the place, or are there other scenarios out there?

No stadium is complete. They have two stadium sites. One is being developed by the Rams. The other is a joint venture between the Chargers/Raiders. They need two teams there because of the NFL tv deal. AFC/NFC can both have access to #2 market.

[Toby Waller]

Updated the OP per your request.

No way LA can have 3 teams. Who would be the most likely team(s)? I think SD and Oakland will and St. Louis getting shafted.

no way? how far is Buffalo from NY/ new jersey?

2 basketball teams,2 baseball teams,two hockey teams. ( Anaheim isnt far from LA)

an hour away from San Diego.

no fans need to show up as long as tv money is there.
Thats how Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami,Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans still make money.

[Shekelsteinberg]

Wonder where they plan on going

How can it not be the Raiders?

Santa Clara split that market.

[Halfcan]

San Diego is a beautiful place. Much better than LA. I can see the Faders wanting to get out of the shithole that is Oakland-but they chose it, so fuck them. Same with the Lambs.

[GloucesterChief]

no way? how far is Buffalo from NY/ new jersey?

Way on the other side of New York. It is closer to Pittsburgh than NYC.

[Eleazar]

All San Diego had to do was build a stadium. All Oakland had to do was build a stadium. All St. Louis had to do was notice they had a football team.

[GloucesterChief]

All San Diego had to do was build a stadium. All Oakland had to do was build a stadium. All St. Louis had to do was notice they had a football team.

I believe that San Diego wants to build a stadium but Spanos wants the hell out.

[ModSocks]

The casual Charger fans i know seem indifferent. Imo, it doesn't feel like anyone really cares. I'll poke fun at them about losing the team and their reaction is usually "yeah..".

But then again, it has to be a brutal time to be a charger fan. After that shit show of a season and this relocation charade, it must be really hard to give a shit anymore.

Im curious to see how many will attend games next season.

[Toby Waller]

San Diego is a beautiful place. Much better than LA. I can see the Faders wanting to get out of the shithole that is Oakland-but they chose it, so **** them. Same with the Lambs.

its full of military and retired people

[Shekelsteinberg]

Can anyone give me a good reason on why any team other than the Raiders are moving?

I can't see it being any other team. They were sold off when Santa Clara got okay'd.

[Halfcan]

All San Diego had to do was build a stadium. All Oakland had to do was build a stadium. All St. Louis had to do was notice they had a football team.

Yep Lamb fans jumped off the bandwagon right after the Greatest Show on turf retired. I will miss Arrowhead East though. That was a great Chiefs game there-had a blast!

[Rams Fan]

All St. Louis had to do was notice they had a football team.

That has nothing to do with anything.

[kcpasco]

St. Louis and San Diego. Raiders will go somewhere else. Maybe San Diego or St Louis.

Spanos wants out of SD no matter what.

Won't happen, but would be funny as hell to see the Raiders in St. Louis so all Raider fans who like to make fun of the Midwest have their heads explode.

[ModSocks]

Can anyone give me a good reason on why any team other than the Raiders are moving?

I can't see it being any other team.

Because NFL owners are rich as fuck and want to be more rich. And if your city won't give you a free Billion dollar stadium, then goddamnit someone else will.

[Toby Waller]

Because NFL owners are rich as **** and want to be more rich. And if your city won't give you a free Billion dollar stadium, then goddamnit someone else will.

no one is giving anything. The fact is they can just take it and they are.

[Brock]

Can anyone give me a good reason on why any team other than the Raiders are moving?

I can't see it being any other team. They were sold off when Santa Clara got okay'd.

The rams are going to los angeles. The other two also probably.

[Shekelsteinberg]

Because NFL owners are rich as **** and want to be more rich. And if your city won't give you a free Billion dollar stadium, then goddamnit someone else will.

LA was never a football city, now it's more of a soccer city.

I don't know why they wouldn't want to move a team out of California, most football fans in that state can't afford tickets, and when they can afford them they end up killing rival fans in the parking lot.

[Rams Fan]

Fuck Stan Kroenke.

[GloucesterChief]

LA was never a football city, now it's more of a soccer city.

I don't know why they wouldn't want to move a team out of California, most football fans in that state can't afford tickets, and when they can afford them they end up killing rival fans in the parking lot.

Raiders could move to San Antonio.

[ModSocks]

LA was never a football city, now it's more of a soccer city.

I don't know why they wouldn't want to move a team out of California, most football fans in that state can't afford tickets, and when they can afford them they end up killing rival fans in the parking lot.

That's pretty much the joke going around San Diego. If they thought San Diego was a transient city with attendance issues, just wait till they see L.A. Add to the fact that there's zero interest in the Chargers in L.A and that team's going to be playing 16 away games.

[tk13]

Because NFL owners are rich as **** and want to be more rich. And if your city won't give you a free Billion dollar stadium, then goddamnit someone else will.

Not to mention luxury boxes and all the other things they'll be able to use to print money in a market as big as LA.

[ModSocks]

Not to mention luxury boxes and all the other things they'll be able to use to print money in a market as big as LA.

As a business order it's easy to understand why they'd want to be in L.A. As a fan, you don't give a **** about their money. You care about loyalty.

[Shekelsteinberg]

Raiders could move to San Antonio.

Texas isn't going to get three teams.

Out of all of the team it would make most sense to move the Lions, nobody even lives in Detroit and they can't even fill the stadium in playoff games.

[DaNewGuy]

Raiders could move to San Antonio.

Fuck Texas

[tk13]

As a business order it's easy to understand why they'd want to be in L.A. As a fan, you don't give a **** about their money. You care about loyalty.

Yeah, but the owners don't care about that. This is the same group of owners who locked out the players a couple years ago because they wanted more money, and that was after signing a bazillion dollar MNF contract. They are looking to print money however they can get it.

[ModSocks]

Raiders could move to San Antonio.

San Antonio will be the next city that NFL teams threaten cities with. "Give us a $2B stadium or we'll relocate to San Antonio".

[DaNewGuy]

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/fuo/5388279274.html

[ModSocks]

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/fuo/5388279274.html

LMAO

[KChiefsQT]

Good send the Raiders back to LA!!! I think Oak/SD will get their Carson stadium & St Louis gets screwed. O.co is literally surrounded by projects. Horrible stadium & not family friendly at all. Hate that place with a passion.

[KChiefsQT]

Any mention of where will they play in the interim while the stadiums being built. The last SD & OAK home games they were saying "this is the last time fans could see their team play in this stadium" Phyllis even shed tears about it in his press conference.

[GloucesterChief]

Any mention of where will they play in the interim while the stadiums being built. The last SD & OAK home games they were saying "this is the last time fans could see their team play in this stadium" Phyllis even shed tears about it in his press conference.

Guessing the Rose Bowl as the coliseum is not in a good area.

[Toby Waller]

Any mention of where will they play in the interim while the stadiums being built. The last SD & OAK home games they were saying "this is the last time fans could see their team play in this stadium" Phyllis even shed tears about it in his press conference.

Crenshaw High School

[ModSocks]

Guessing the Rose Bowl as the coliseum is not in a good area.

It'd be the coliseum. The Rose Bowl told them to get fucked but the coliseum said they'd host ONE team.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

That has nothing to do with anything.

Of course it does. The fan base is an absolute bandwagon piece of shit joke. The only St. Louis football fans that care about the game are all Chiefs fans.

[Rams Fan]

Of course it does. The fan base is an absolute bandwagon piece of shit joke. The only St. Louis football fans that care about the game are all Chiefs fans.

If the Rams sold every single seat in the Dome, Kroenke would still not want to be there.

He's hell bent on going to LA.

[Toby Waller]

Of course it does. The fan base is an absolute bandwagon piece of shit joke. The only St. Louis football fans that care about the game are all Chiefs fans.

that would make LA fans the smartest fans. they dont sit around in cold weather getting fat and waste time spending money on a product that doesnt produce wins and bring joy.

other cities enjoy losing like its a badge of honor

[Brock]

Good send the Raiders back to LA!!! I think Oak/SD will get their Carson stadium & St Louis gets screwed. O.co is literally surrounded by projects. Horrible stadium & not family friendly at all. Hate that place with a passion.

Why would a chiefs fan want anything good to happen the raiders?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

that would make LA fans the smartest fans. they dont sit around in cold weather getting fat and waste time spending money on a product that doesnt produce wins and bring joy.

other cities enjoy losing like its a badge of honor

Reveal thyself mult

[Toby Waller]

without football,you end up watching stuff like this
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[GloucesterChief]

It'd be the coliseum. The Rose Bowl told them to get ****ed but the coliseum said they'd host ONE team.

Welp, someone is gonna get shot then.

[NWTF]

I think the league prefers San Diego and Oakland to LA as St Louis ponied up to keep the Rams. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/29/st-louis-submits-stadium-proposal-to-keep-the-rams/

But I think Kroenke is going no matter what the league decides.

So in the end its probably Chargers and Rams.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd be shocked if the Coliseum committee agreed to host the Raiders. They're building a $1 billion dollar USC Village plus a new state of the art soccer stadium is going up nearby. I doubt any of those people want Raiders fans in the vicinity.

It's a MUCH different environment downtown than it was in 1995.

[DaNewGuy]

Put the Raiders in Anchorage

[Rams Fan]

I think the league prefers San Diego and Oakland to LA as St Louis ponied up to keep the Rams. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/29/st-louis-submits-stadium-proposal-to-keep-the-rams/

But I think Kroenke is going no matter what the league decides.

So in the end its probably Chargers and Rams.

I don't see the Chargers moving without the Raiders joining them in LA considering Spanos and Davis are partners for the Carson proposal.

[Shekelsteinberg]

Put the Raiders in Anchorage

There are more Seahawks fans in Anchorage than there are in Seattle.

[KChiefs1]

No way LA can have 3 teams. Who would be the most likely team(s)? I think SD and Oakland will and St. Louis getting shafted.



They all have past connections with LA.

The Raiders & Chargers make the most sense but Kroenke already has a major investment in the area for a stadium.

If LA wants one AFC team & one NFC team then the Rams & either Raiders/Chargers but if it doesn't matter than it will be the 2 AFC West teams.

[Toby Waller]

There are more Seahawks fans in Anchorage than there are in Seattle.

dont forget Oregon

[DaneMcCloud]

What's odd is that I went to several holiday parties and one well attended NYE party and not once did anyone bring up football in LA.

KC (me), lots of Giants/Jets/Buffalo, Chicago and Seattle but not one mentioned of a possible NFL return to Los Angeles.

I'm not saying that it's not going to work but there doesn't seem to be much interest, at least in my circle.

[eDave]

What's odd is that I went to several holiday parties and one well attended NYE party and not once did anyone bring up football in LA.

KC (me), lots of Giants/Jets/Buffalo, Chicago and Seattle but not one mentioned of a possible NFL return to Los Angeles.

I'm not saying that it's not going to work but there doesn't seem to be much interest, at least in my circle.

Never go back to an old girlfriend.

[NWTF]

I don't see the Chargers moving without the Raiders joining them in LA considering Spanos and Davis are partners for the Carson proposal.

They are only partners because neither have the means to do it on their own. If kroenke is hell bent on going, the league will have to boot either Spanos or Davis out of the deal and attempt to pair the other up with Kroenke. Spanos has no choice and probably doesnt care whether is Davis or Kroenke hes partnered with. He just cant do it alone. Kroenke would probably agree to be in compliance with the league. And Davis will go back to signing 1 year leases with O.co.

[Brock]

They are only partners because neither have the means to do it on their own. If kroenke is hell bent on going, the league will have to boot either Spanos or Davis out of the deal and attempt to pair the other up with Kroenke. Spanos has no choice and probably doesnt care whether is Davis or Kroenke hes partnered with. He just cant do it alone. Kroenke would probably agree to be in compliance with the league. And Davis will go back to signing 1 year leases with O.co.

Kroenke isn't going to share his stadium with either of those beggars.

[KChiefsQT]

Why would a chiefs fan want anything good to happen the raiders?

I live an hour & a half from O.Co & 90% of their fans are the most obnoxious piece of shits I've ever experienced. I would love if they packed their team & moved out of the Bay Area.

[scho63]

All bargaining chips to get away from three of the shittiest stadiums in the NFL. Surprised the Redskins haven't filed, their stadium is another piece of crap.

[Strongside]

Raiders should move to Tijuana.

[Strongside]

All bargaining chips to get away from three of the shittiest stadiums in the NFL. Surprised the Redskins haven't filed, their stadium is another piece of crap.

Any of those teams would even consider Tropicana Field an upgrade.

[rad]

Imagine going on the road against 2 division rivals in the same stadium? Weird.

[Strongside]

Imagine going on the road against 2 division rivals in the same stadium? Weird.

I don't see how that's work when the played each other twice. Essentially an extra home game.

[007]

Just send either the Chargers or the Raider to San Antonio. Extra home game.

[TLO]

Edit the header again. Throw the Raiders in the mix too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raiders formally apply for relocation to Los Angeles: <a href="https://t.co/aSAoq299tj">https://t.co/aSAoq299tj</a> <a href="https://t.co/1qIiE3sfR9">pic.twitter.com/1qIiE3sfR9</a></p>&mdash; Scott Bair (@BairCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/BairCSN/status/684220339153317888">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Jesus Christ that is a creepy looking dude.

[Rausch]

I think the league prefers San Diego and Oakland to LA as St Louis ponied up to keep the Rams. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/29/st-louis-submits-stadium-proposal-to-keep-the-rams/

But I think Kroenke is going no matter what the league decides.

So in the end its probably Chargers and Rams.

Then the Raiders could move to St. Louis and the Chiefs would get an extra home game each year...

[big nasty kcnut]

I think they should let san Diego owner trade teams with st louis and keep st louis there in st louis.

[tk13]

I don't see how that's work when the played each other twice. Essentially an extra home game.

It won't. The general consensus is one of them is moving to the NFC West. They appear to be okay with that if it allows them to move.

[displacedinMN]

Would Vegas try to get into the mix or is that just a bad idea?

I predict-
San Diego> LA
Rams >LA
Oakland >London

[DenverChief]

St. Louis and San Diego. Raiders will go somewhere else. Maybe San Diego or St Louis.

Spanos wants out of SD no matter what.

San Antonio Ruff Riders (Raiders) LMAO.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2015/09/22/raiders-stadium-plan-sacked-san-antonio-still-in.html

[Spott]

no way? how far is Buffalo from NY/ new jersey?

2 basketball teams,2 baseball teams,two hockey teams. ( Anaheim isnt far from LA)

an hour away from San Diego.

no fans need to show up as long as tv money is there.
Thats how Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami,Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans still make money.

It's closer to a 3 hour drive.

[MahiMike]

Will be very interesting for us if both Chargers and Raiders move. This would force realignment. Seems like it's too late to get this all done in 1 year.

[Mile High Mania]

Will be very interesting for us if both Chargers and Raiders move. This would force realignment. Seems like it's too late to get this all done in 1 year.

Yeah, was thinking the same thing. I have not read up on all the happenings, but if LA received 2 teams, they are sharing a stadium right? I don't believe you can have two teams sharing a stadium in the same division (maybe not the same conference, not sure).

If I were betting - it would be the Chargers and Rams moving. Sounds like the owners aren't supporting any moves though. Drama.

[kccrow]

My thoughts...

The Rams should move back to Los Angeles (Inglewood).
The Chargers should stay in San Diego.
The Raiders (and A's) should work to get a stadium deal in Sacramento.


... but the league will find a way to screw it all up by allowing all three in L.A. and it will be a colossal failure with blackouts non-stop should they not keep the blackout suspension for another year.

[seaofred]

I wonder if the NFL will ever look in the Portland, OR area.

[Baby Lee]

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Caitlyn Trump?

[Baby Lee]

I wonder if the NFL will ever look in the Portland, OR area.

Your hometown Put a Bird on Its!!

[Garcia Bronco]

Time to stick it to Oakland. Remember all those lawsuits?

[GloucesterChief]

I wonder if the NFL will ever look in the Portland, OR area.

Probably too close to Seattle. It is an easy hour and a half to 2 hour drive.

I think that San Antonio and Salt Lake City would be the top two after this latest round of relocation.

Hampton Roads has the population but the geography is bad and has a lack of corporate cash for things like luxury boxes.

[DaFace]

My thoughts...

The Rams should move back to Los Angeles (Inglewood).
The Chargers should stay in San Diego.
The Raiders (and A's) should work to get a stadium deal in Sacramento.


... but the league will find a way to screw it all up by allowing all three in L.A. and it will be a colossal failure with blackouts non-stop should they not keep the blackout suspension for another year.

There's not a chance in hell the other owners would allow three teams in L.A.

[The Franchise]

The Raiders (and A's) should work to get a stadium deal in Sacramento.


Fuck you.

[DaneMcCloud]

IMO, the Chargers and Rams in Inglewood with the Raiders in St. Louis makes the most sense...

[Mr. Laz]

Doesn't anyone else not care who ends up in LA?


not a single fuck given as long as it's not the Chiefs

[TinyEvel]

FOOLS! As a resident of Los Angeles for 40 years, it's a non-loyal sports town. The best shot at filling the stadium is with opposing teams' fans who either moved there at some point, or want to visit L.A. in November/December.

There's too much other things to do. The ones who are knuckle-scraping hardcore fans can't afford season tickets. Most of the seats will be corporate owned. Think club level at Arrowhead but the whole place.

When the Lakers aren't owning the NBA (like now) that's what happens at Staples Center.

That's my prediction.

That said. I'd like to go see Chiefs in my old hometown once (or twice) a year!

[DaneMcCloud]

Doesn't anyone else not care who ends on in LA?


not a single fuck given as long as it's not the Chiefs

I care :D

I really don't want the Raiders in Los Angeles because their fans are garbage.

[Mr. Laz]

I care :D

I really don't want the Raiders in Los Angeles because their fans are garbage.

Don't you live there though?


You probably dont' want anyone there because that frees your t.v. up for the best games.

[DaneMcCloud]

FOOLS! As a resident of Los Angeles for 40 years, it's a non-loyal sports town. The best shot at filling the stadium is with opposing teams' fans who either moved there at some point, or want to visit L.A. in November/December.

There's too much other things to do. The ones who are knuckle-scraping hardcore fans can't afford season tickets. Most of the seats will be corporate owned. Think club level at Arrowhead but the whole place.

When the Lakers aren't owning the NBA (like now) that's what happens at Staples Center.

That's my prediction.

That said. I'd like to go see Chiefs in my old hometown once (or twice) a year!

Once Kroenke builds the $2 billion dollar stadium, I think he'll pay and do whatever it takes to bring a consistent playoff team to Los Angeles. The Rams were very good from the 60's-late 80's and there's no reason why they should be competing each year, especially with his kind of money.

The Chargers and Raiders? I think both teams will have a hard time here because history, especially recent history, proves that neither team, regardless of the hirings, firings and drafts, know how to build a consistent winner.

The days of Al Davis and Don Coryell in their primes is in the history books.

[DaneMcCloud]

Don't you live there though?

Yep.

You probably dont' want anyone there because that frees your t.v. up for the best games.

I have Direct TV, so it shouldn't matter (I say shouldn't because I'm not really sure, since there hasn't been a team here since 2003, which is when I became a DTV subscriber).

The main thing is the Raiders fans themselves. I can't explain it - you just have to see and experience it. They're garbage.

[KC native]

San Antonio is not getting an NFL team.

Jerry Jones and the Texans owner would veto that shit every time it is proposed.

[ModSocks]

San Antonio is not getting an NFL team.

Jerry Jones and the Texans owner would veto that shit every time it is proposed.

That won't stop teams from using San Antonio as a bargaining chip when threatening their current cities for a new stadium.

[O.city]

IMO, the Chargers and Rams in Inglewood with the Raiders in St. Louis makes the most sense...

Are the raiders rumored to go to stl?

[NWTF]

Are the raiders rumored to go to stl?

No.

Thats just what he'd prefer.

[Oxford]

Then the Raiders could move to East St. Louis and the Chiefs would get an extra home game each year...

FYP

[Baby Lee]

Doesn't anyone else not care who ends up in LA?


not a single fuck given as long as it's not the Chiefs

bought a lot of 'nots' for your CP account, did ya?

[DaneMcCloud]

Are the raiders rumored to go to stl?

It's been suggested and while I don't think it's been a true rumor, IMO, it makes perfect sense.

The Raiders get a taxpayer funded and amazing stadium, the Chiefs have an in-state rival, and geographically, it works perfectly for the AFC West without the need for realignment.

[Mr. Laz]

bought a lot of 'nots' for your CP account, did ya?

purchased the gold package

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/68/a4/b8/68a4b80107e781cc11c45340a7667467.jpg

[ChiefsCountry]

Rams are a big pickle of a mess for the NFL owners.

They have the owner with deep pockets who can fund a LA Stadium on his own. Essentially what they have been wanting. Perfect situation for Los Angeles.

Then you have in St. Louis public money for a stadium. Not going to look good in negotiations in the other markets if you turn down public money for a private money stadium. Cities going to tell you to get bent.

[O.city]

It's been suggested and while I don't think it's been a true rumor, IMO, it makes perfect sense.

The Raiders get a taxpayer funded and amazing stadium, the Chiefs have an in-state rival, and geographically, it works perfectly for the AFC West without the need for realignment.

That's what I was thinking. Oakland and the Rams definitely seem better suited for LA to me, but that's completely from them being there before.

San Diego should stay in SD imo

[DaneMcCloud]

San Diego should stay in SD imo

The Spanos family is dumb.

The city has finally approved a stadium for them but because it's not in downtown SD, the Chargers want to leave.

I don't get it. I don't and have never known anyone in Los Angeles that's interested in the Chargers.

Raiders and Rams, yes. Chargers? No.

[BryanBusby]

I don't think they want the Rams to move, but pockets are too deep to block it in the end.

STL has put too nice of a public finance deal on the table to be left in the cold. Either the Chargers or Raiders will take a public, relocation fee cut and league money to move into a new STL stadium. Leaving St. Louis out in the cold would be stupid.

I think San Diego would be a more logical choice for moving. A lot of dumb Raiders fans around LA to cash in on.

[O.city]

The Spanos family is dumb.

The city has finally approved a stadium for them but because it's not in downtown SD, the Chargers want to leave.

I don't get it. I don't and have never known anyone in Los Angeles that's interested in the Chargers.

Raiders and Rams, yes. Chargers? No.

Yeah, thats what I mean. Makes no sense.

T

[ModSocks]

It's been suggested and while I don't think it's been a true rumor, IMO, it makes perfect sense.

The Raiders get a taxpayer funded and amazing stadium, the Chiefs have an in-state rival, and geographically, it works perfectly for the AFC West without the need for realignment.

Raiders would be better in San Diego. Davis reportedly is willing to put in the $$$ in Oakland that San Diego asked the Chargers to put in. A report just came out that Kronke intends to force his way into LA, approval or not.

From my understanding, the Spanos family has no interest in playing 2nd fiddle to Kronke, as they want to be the top dog and have Oakland play 2nd to them in Carson. There's no ****ing way LA supports 3 teams.

So if you're the Raiders, do you move to St. Louis, or stay in Cali where you have a strong base in SoCal.

[ModSocks]

The Spanos family is dumb.

The city has finally approved a stadium for them but because it's not in downtown SD, the Chargers want to leave.

I don't get it. I don't and have never known anyone in Los Angeles that's interested in the Chargers.

Raiders and Rams, yes. Chargers? No.

About 8 months ago the Chargers were directly asked if they preferred the Mission Valley (current site) site, or if they had to be in Downtown. They said they didn't care as long as a deal got done.

So San Diego started working on the Mission Valley site since it was far more realistic to get done in a timely manner.

As soon as SD started moving on the Mission Valley site, the Chargers balked and said they wanted the downtown site.

Combine that with the fact they bought the Carson land over a year go and the fact that they've been trying to advertise in LA for years now, at one point even removing "San Diego" from their logo, i think it's pretty obvious that the Spanos family has been looking to move the Chargers for years now in an effort to become the "SoCal" Chargers. They think they're SoCal's team, and i don't believe they ever had any truthful intentions to stay in SD.

[Rausch]

So if you're the Raiders, do you move to St. Louis, or stay in Cali where you have a strong base in SoCal.

You move to St. Louis.

Just the cities of St. Louis and KC are already rivals in everything, always, since forever.

None of these Millionaires (team owners) want to deal with the $#it that comes with the Raiders' crowd.

The Chargers and Rams are "squeaky clean" and family friendly.

The Raiders are a loud and angry team able to make STL actually notice football there again...

[ModSocks]

You move to St. Louis.

Just the cities of St. Louis and KC are already rivals in everything, always, since forever.

None of these Millionaires (team owners) want to deal with the $#it that comes with the Raiders' crowd.

The Chargers and Rams are "squeaky clean" and family friendly.

The Raiders are a loud and angry team able to make STL actually notice football there again...

Yeah but there's no fan base there. Certainly not when compared to California.

[Rausch]

Yeah but there's no fan base there. Certainly not when compared to California.

Oh, there is...

[CapsLockKey]

Once Kroenke builds the $2 billion dollar stadium, I think he'll pay and do whatever it takes to bring a consistent playoff team to Los Angeles. The Rams were very good from the 60's-late 80's and there's no reason why they should be competing each year, especially with his kind of money.

The Chargers and Raiders? I think both teams will have a hard time here because history, especially recent history, proves that neither team, regardless of the hirings, firings and drafts, know how to build a consistent winner.

The days of Al Davis and Don Coryell in their primes is in the history books.
You can't simply buy an NFL playoff team. There's this thing called the salary cap, and last I checked every team in the league (with the exception of GB) is owned by some rich asshole with too much money. Kroenke isn't any different than the other 30 except he may be a bigger asshole than most of them.

[Rausch]

You can't simply buy an NFL playoff team. There's this thing called the salary cap, and last I checked every team in the league (with the exception of GB) is owned by some rich asshole with too much money. Kroenke isn't any different than the other 30 except he may be a bigger asshole than most of them.

The Rams are already 3/4ths of the way to making the playoffs. They have the D, the Running game, and a decent line. They need a QB and a legit no 1 WR.

The big thing is despite other owners hating him he's got enough money the NFL loves him...

[DaneMcCloud]

You can't simply buy an NFL playoff team.

Bullshit.

Tell that to the New Orleans Saints or the Denver Broncos or any number of teams over the years (including the Chiefs) that have traded for and signed big time free agents, making a pretender into a contender.

Secondly, what I was referring to was the Front Office, Coaching Staff and of course, the QB. I would fully expect that once Kroenke is in his shiny new stadium, he'll pull out all the stops to purchase the best GM, coaching staff, team president, etc. that money can buy.

And if you don't think a guy like a Peyton Manning wouldn't have signed with LA to play in a $2 billion stadium in the nation's most populated city, you're nuts.

[Rams Fan]

Bullshit.

Tell that to the New Orleans Saints or the Denver Broncos or any number of teams over the years (including the Chiefs) that have traded for and signed big time free agents, making a pretender into a contender.

Secondly, what I was referring to was the Front Office, Coaching Staff and of course, the QB. I would fully expect that once Kroenke is in his shiny new stadium, he'll pull out all the stops to purchase the best GM, coaching staff, team president, etc. that money can buy.

And if you don't think a guy like a Peyton Manning wouldn't have signed with LA to play in a $2 billion stadium in the nation's most populated city, you're nuts.

Kroenke spends. No ones accusing him of being cheap. The issue with him being a hands off owner is that he needs to put the right people in play and so far that really hasn't worked with any of his teams in the US.

[DaneMcCloud]

Kroenke spends. No ones accusing him of being cheap. The issue with him being a hands off owner is that he needs to put the right people in play and so far that really hasn't worked with any of his teams in the US.

He's made bad hires. So either he needs to hire a "Guru" like a Bill Polian or Ron Wolf or whomever to help him make better decisions or he needs to be more involved.

Fisher, Snead, etc. and so on are nothing more than mediocre to below average.

That won't cut it in Los Angeles, where there's a wealth of things to do any given day.

[kccrow]

Fuck you.

LOL. Yeah, I feel for ya having them in your back yard, but it does make the most sense. Hour out of Oakland so you don't lose the fan base, lots of money in Sacramento, and space to make it happen. It just seems like the most reasonable plan of attack for the Raiders.

Flooding the LA market again to me is stupid. I think LA is good with having just one team. The NFL needs to pick that one, and the Rams have the owner with the deepest pockets to make it happen. Plus, the Rams being anywhere but in LA has been odd.

[Rams Fan]

He's made bad hires. So either he needs to hire a "Guru" like a Bill Polian or Ron Wolf or whomever to help him make better decisions or he needs to be more involved.

Fisher, Snead, etc. and so on are nothing more than mediocre to below average.

That won't cut it in Los Angeles, where there's a wealth of things to do any given day.

We're in agreement then.


Also, St. Louis is about to get absolutely fucked either way. It's bullshit that 100% of the Dome was financed by public money and now 20 years later the city's going to pony up money to build a stadium, again. And if the Rams move, St. Louis is without a NFL team.

[Rausch]

He's made bad hires. So either he needs to hire a "Guru" like a Bill Polian or Ron Wolf or whomever to help him make better decisions or he needs to be more involved.

Fisher, Snead, etc. and so on are nothing more than mediocre to below average.

That won't cut it in Los Angeles, where there's a wealth of things to do any given day.

Fisher has a ton of talent on that team. His problem is that he's missing that QB/WR combo the NFL requires now.

I don't know what their cap situation looks like but Kap is the perfect QB for Fisher. Give him a legit top 15 WR and that team is contending...

[DaneMcCloud]

Fisher has a ton of talent on that team. His problem is that he's missing that QB/WR combo the NFL requires now.

I don't know what their cap situation looks like but Kap is the perfect QB for Fisher. Give him a legit top 15 WR and that team is contending...

I honestly have no idea why Jeff Fisher is an NFL head coach.

[Rams Fan]

I honestly have no idea why Jeff Fisher is an NFL head coach.

Because he's better than the previous excuses of HCs the Rams had before and he has experience with coaching a team while they were relocated.

[Rausch]

I honestly have no idea why Jeff Fisher is an NFL head coach.

He's the NFL version of that intermediate college coach you hire to take your school from $3it to respectable.

He's a great foundation builder and flourishes in the under dog role...

[Dayze]

I'd be shocked if the Coliseum committee agreed to host the Raiders. They're building a $1 billion dollar USC Village plus a new state of the art soccer stadium is going up nearby. I doubt any of those people want Raiders fans in the vicinity.

It's a MUCH different environment downtown than it was in 1995.

what do you mean here? Serious question.

[DaneMcCloud]

what do you mean here? Serious question.

Back in the late 80's and early 90's, downtown LA, especially around the Coliseum, was a gang infested mess. It was a dangerous neighborhood, so dangerous that I actually had an LAPD officer tell me not to go to Raiders-Chiefs game there.

Since that time, DTLA has exploded. It's had a full on Renaissance, which started with the Staples Center and the whole LA LIVE! thing, which also houses a $375 million dollar Marriott Hotel. There have been billions of dollars dumped into DTLA the last decade with billions more to come.

In addition to the new $1 billion dollar USC Village that's in construction, there's a brand new, state of the art soccer stadium going up just a few blocks away, plus something like $300-400 million dollars in Coliseum renovations, which will downsize the stadium from 100,000 to like 77,000 (IIRC). There will be new press boxes, luxury suites, etc.

Suffice to say, the area is thriving.

The last thing any business owners want is destructive Raiders fans in the area. The city leaders want the NFL back in Los Angeles but business owners and civic leaders will tell you that they don't want the Raiders in town.

This is the rendering for the new soccer stadium:

http://www.sportsvuesoccer.com/images/upload/lafc_tight.jpg

In this pic, you can see the proximity to the Coliseum:

http://www.soccerticketsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/GENSLER_LAFC_AERIAL.jpg

[bobbymitch]

Question on St Louis - Say St Louis builds a new stadium and the Rams stay. Are the current PSL owners SOL when it comes to the new stadium? Does that process start all over again?

[Rams Fan]

Question on St Louis - Say St Louis builds a new stadium and the Rams stay. Are the current PSL owners SOL when it comes to the new stadium? Does that process start all over again?

Yes, the current PSL owners would be SOL.

[Dayze]

Back in the late 80's and early 90's, downtown LA, especially around the Coliseum, was a gang infested mess. It was a dangerous neighborhood, so dangerous that I actually had an LAPD officer tell me not to go to Raiders-Chiefs game there.

Since that time, DTLA has exploded. It's had a full on Renaissance, which started with the Staples Center and the whole LA LIVE! thing, which also houses a $375 million dollar Marriott Hotel. There have been billions of dollars dumped into DTLA the last decade with billions more to come.

In addition to the new $1 billion dollar USC Village that's in construction, there's a brand new, state of the art soccer stadium going up just a few blocks away, plus something like $300-400 million dollars in Coliseum renovations, which will downsize the stadium from 100,000 to like 77,000 (IIRC). There will be new press boxes, luxury suites, etc.

Suffice to say, the area is thriving.

The last thing any business owners want is destructive Raiders fans in the area. The city leaders want the NFL back in Los Angeles but business owners and civic leaders will tell you that they don't want the Raiders in town.

This is the rendering for the new soccer stadium:

http://www.sportsvuesoccer.com/images/upload/lafc_tight.jpg

In this pic, you can see the proximity to the Coliseum:

http://www.soccerticketsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/GENSLER_LAFC_AERIAL.jpg

cool. thanks Bud.

[tk13]

And if you don't think a guy like a Peyton Manning wouldn't have signed with LA to play in a $2 billion stadium in the nation's most populated city, you're nuts.

Well most guys would. Peyton Manning might not. He wouldn't sign in SF to play in a new $1.3 billion stadium with a legit Super Bowl caliber team, so you never know. Part of that is he didn't want to play for Harbaugh though. Still, that's something other than money.

[DaneMcCloud]

Well most guys would. Peyton Manning might not. He wouldn't sign in SF to play in a new $1.3 billion stadium with a legit Super Bowl caliber team, so you never know. Part of that is he didn't want to play for Harbaugh though. Still, that's something other than money.

Yeah, but get the drift, right?

And no offense to NoCal but Santa Clara isn't exactly the Los Angeles West Side.

[Spott]

It wouldn't surprise me if none of them end up in LA.

[GloucesterChief]

It wouldn't surprise me if none of them end up in LA.

I think Kroneke is going hell or high water. Load up the semi's in the middle of the night bound for Indianapolis style.

[Rams Fan]

Rams full relocation submission:

http://www.stltoday.com/rams-nfl-relocation-submission/pdf_166ae24b-5d42-58e4-a7dd-cd6318780091.html

Pretty much 29 pages of Kroenke bashing St. Louis.

[New World Order]

Rams full relocation submission:

http://www.stltoday.com/rams-nfl-relocation-submission/pdf_166ae24b-5d42-58e4-a7dd-cd6318780091.html

Pretty much 29 pages of Kroenke bashing St. Louis.


We'll adopt you. Welcome to the family!

[Spott]

Pretty much 29 pages of Kroenke bashing St. Louis.

Hard to blame him. They have always treated their football teams like step children while acting like their baseball team is royalty.

[ChiefsCountry]

Hard to blame him. They have always treated their football teams like step children while acting like their baseball team is royalty.

St. Louis football has been shitty with the Cardinals and the Rams have been just as bad. Chiefs have as many playoff loses in a row as St. Louis has had playoff apperances from both teams.

[bobbymitch]

Rams full relocation submission:

http://www.stltoday.com/rams-nfl-relocation-submission/pdf_166ae24b-5d42-58e4-a7dd-cd6318780091.html

Pretty much 29 pages of Kroenke bashing St. Louis.

Interesting - building a two team "home stadium" in different conferences makes sense. Weekly revenue guaranteed, stadium workers get more $, more local tax dollars (maybe), etc.

Sorry, St. Louis this makes a lot of sense. Let Stan & Co succeed or fail using their own nickels and not the public's.

[Skyy God]

Rams full relocation submission:

http://www.stltoday.com/rams-nfl-relocation-submission/pdf_166ae24b-5d42-58e4-a7dd-cd6318780091.html

Pretty much 29 pages of Kroenke bashing St. Louis.

Kronke thinks you're a sucker, brah.

Missouri & the city should rescind their financing plans immediately.

[Rams Fan]

Hard to blame him. They have always treated their football teams like step children while acting like their baseball team is royalty.
My response is similar to CC's:

St. Louis football has been shitty with the Cardinals and the Rams have been just as bad. Chiefs have as many playoff loses in a row as St. Louis has had playoff apperances from both teams.

Kroenke bashing attendance is bullshit. The team had the worst 5 year stretch in NFL history(15-65). Of course attendance isn't going to be great. If the city didn't give the Rams the ability to go year to year if the Dome wasn't a top 25% stadium(which it never had a chance to be after major renovations to places like Arrowhead, Lambeau, and Soldier Field as well as with all the new stadiums being built in 1995), I highly doubt LA would be an issue.

The thing I'm more interested in is what made Kroenke go from saying this, "Kroenke said, "I'll do my damnedest," to secure the Rams' future in St. Louis," (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/article_3b49e97d-2799-50aa-8b7b-5a82bf5d5a4b.html#.VoyxPtG6Jp4.twitter) to wanting to move to LA.

[Rams Fan]

Oh yeah, and the fact that he played a major role in moving the team to St. Louis.

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[FloridaMan88]

Rams full relocation submission:

http://www.stltoday.com/rams-nfl-relocation-submission/pdf_166ae24b-5d42-58e4-a7dd-cd6318780091.html

Pretty much 29 pages of Kroenke bashing St. Louis.

St. Louis is a terrible football city and a terrible city overall.

Any smart business person would dump a sinking third world shithole like St. Louis for LA, a global city at the first possible opportunity.

[NWTF]

Rams full relocation submission:

http://www.stltoday.com/rams-nfl-relocation-submission/pdf_166ae24b-5d42-58e4-a7dd-cd6318780091.html

Pretty much 29 pages of Kroenke bashing St. Louis.

Well after reading much of that..... yeah, I think the Rams are as good as gone.

Kroenke simply wants to be in LA and wants nothing to do with St Louis.

[Lzen]

Crenshaw High School


Ha ha. That would probably work well for the Raiders.

[DaneMcCloud]

Guessing the Rose Bowl as the coliseum is not in a good area.

:spock:

[Lzen]

....Oakland and the Rams definitely seem better suited for LA....from them being there before.

San Diego should stay in SD imo

Uh, didn't the Chargers start out in LA? :spock:

[kccrow]

Uh, didn't the Chargers start out in LA? :spock:

For 1 whole year, that 90% of people watching football don't remember or weren't born for. The Chargers have been San Diego's team for 55 years, and seeing them elsewhere would be blasphemous.

[Easy 6]

Fisher has a ton of talent on that team. His problem is that he's missing that QB/WR combo the NFL requires now.

I don't know what their cap situation looks like but Kap is the perfect QB for Fisher. Give him a legit top 15 WR and that team is contending...

I agree with this post and your earlier one stating how close the Rams actually are to fielding a very tough team, they definitely have the defense, the dynamic young back and a decent line... their problem is the same problem Fishers ALWAYS had... the guy cant identify receiver talent to save his childrens soul and its the same at QB (he fell on his ass into McNair).

I feel bad for St. Louis fans, if they could get someone besides a glorified defensive coordinator to coach that team, they'd be damn good.

Disagree about Kaep though, he needs to get on the first plane headed to the city that hires Chip Kelly... he's the perfect guy to run that fastbreak offense, RGIII would also be a good option.

[DaneMcCloud]

Disagree about Kaep though, he needs to get on the first plane headed to the city that hires Chip Kelly

I keep hearing Kaepernick to Buffalo, as the Bills want a similar style QB to back up Tyrod Taylor.

Greg Roman is in Buffalo as well...

[ChiefsCountry]

I keep hearing Kaepernick to Buffalo, as the Bills want a similar style QB to back up Tyrod Taylor.

Greg Roman is in Buffalo as well...

Has the arm strength as well to play in Buffalo. Good fit actually.

[Easy 6]

I keep hearing Kaepernick to Buffalo, as the Bills want a similar style QB to back up Tyrod Taylor.

Greg Roman is in Buffalo as well...

Sounds like a good match, and he'd definitely have a chance to unseat Taylor.

Dude has the talent, he just needs the right coach/system.

[SAUTO]

I've said for years kroenke was taking the teams to la. No matter what, they can't really stop him.

[The Franchise]

Rams full relocation submission:

http://www.stltoday.com/rams-nfl-relocation-submission/pdf_166ae24b-5d42-58e4-a7dd-cd6318780091.html

Pretty much 29 pages of Kroenke bashing St. Louis.

So, are you following them or picking a new team?

[Rams Fan]

So, are you following them or picking a new team?

TBD

[threebag]

TBD

Change your name to Chiefs Fan, welcome home.

[Coach]

Some more news.

In a report sent to all 32 NFL teams, commissioner Roger Goodell said stadium solutions in San Diego, Oakland and St. Louis were "unsatisfactory" and "inadequate" to keep the Chargers, Raiders and Rams in their home markets.

The Los Angeles Times obtained a copy of the 48-page report from someone who has seen it but is not authorized to discuss it publicly. ESPN.com confirmed Goodell's comments from a league source with direct knowledge of the report.

To see the remaining article.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14538048/commissioner-roger-goodell-says-plans-keep-chargers-raiders-rams-inadequate-current-home-markets