Childress is new OC

[chiefforlife]

Chiefs tab Brad Childress as Off. Coordinator

Chiefs promoted Brad Childress to offensive coordinator.
He'll replace Doug Pederson, who moved to Philadelphia to become the Eagles' head coach. "Chilly" turns 60 this offseason and has spent the last three seasons as the Chiefs' "spread game analyst," or an offensive consultant. He last coordinated the Browns' offense in 2012, a year in which Cleveland finished 24th in points scored and 25th in total yards. Andy Reid will continue to call plays and lead the Chiefs' offense in 2016.
Jan 18 - 4:46 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/330625/chiefs-tab-brad-childress-as-off-coordinator?ls=roto:KC:topheadlines

[Shaid]

Exactly what I expected to happen.

[ptlyon]

To the ship?

[Sassy Squatch]

Cool. Wont mean a lick of difference if Reid wont give up playcalling.

[Rain Man]

Makes sense.

[TambaBerry]

Reid needs to give play calling up, he sucks ass

[Donger]

The scene from Office Space just flashed through my mind...

"What exactly is it you do here?"

[Deberg_1990]

Who becomes the 'spread game analyst' ?

[Shaid]

We need to add a lot more medium passes into this offense. The underneath stuff will still be there be we have to stretch things out. The offense wastes time well to kill clock but we have no 2 min offense. It's been clear for years now. The problem is, Reid doesn't appear to see it as an issue. Fine when you're in the lead, horrible when you aren't.

[ChiTown]

I'm good with that

[threebag]

Who becomes the 'spread game analyst' ?

Hootie, he beats the spread everytime he bets.

[srvy]

Chilly works from the booth right?

How will that speed up calls to the field anyway if Andy did give up the reigns. Need to install a no huddle if Smith is capable and I am sure he is.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Smith gets the continuity he needs and has the core personnel to keep things rolling. I'm predicting 12-4 in my way too early prediction.

[GloryDayz]

Can he tell time? Does he have a clock? LMAO

OK, just joking. But let's hope he, or somebody, gets topped to manage the clock.

[Otter]

Not saying it would have made one bit of difference and no one can control what personal phone calls are made behind the scenes but it shouldn't have been national news that the Chiefs were losing a top coach until the playoffs were over. The team didn't need a distraction at that point.

[Ming the Merciless]

The scene from Office Space just flashed through my mind...

"What exactly is it you do here?"

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[ChiefinSD]

Sorry to hijack here but does anyone know an admin that can activate my account. I've lurked for several years and emailed for activation but no dice. Thanks in advance.

[DaWolf]

Based on history, Reid is going to continue calling plays. He called the plays when Chilly was with him in Philly. Shurmur also called the plays when Chilly was in Cleveland IIRC. Chilly seems to be the type of guy who doesn't demand playcalling duties, which makes him ideal for Reid.

McNabb had some really good years with Chilly though, and hopefully he can continue to coach Smith up. The nice thing is that it is the exact same offense for the fourth year, so Smith and co will know it inside out. If we can only keep Charles and Maclin healthy all year and add another playmaker, especially if DAT isn't coming back, and be stable up front for once, this has got to be a breakout year for the O coming up...

[listopencil]

Do you guys think that there will be any meaningful change in the KC O because of this?

[threebag]

PM Mr. Dole

[RealSNR]

Better than Nagy.

[l4z4rd]

Doesn't matter who the new OC is, Reid is still calling the plays.

[DaWolf]

Do you guys think that there will be any meaningful change in the KC O because of this?

At this point the only meaningful change would be adding more playmakers to the mix. Reid's offense isn't going to change. Lots of screens and short-intermediate stuff. It will be interesting to see Alex's numbers next year if they keep allowing him to make checks at the line and change plays, which they started midway this year. How effective Charles is going to be coming back will be key...

[King_Chief_Fan]

Do you guys think that there will be any meaningful change in the KC O because of this?

NONE....in fact when Charles returns it will look a whole like the first 6 games this year

[2bikemike]

Not saying it would have made one bit of difference and no one can control what personal phone calls are made behind the scenes but it shouldn't have been national news that the Chiefs were losing a top coach until the playoffs were over. The team didn't need a distraction at that point.


Yeah I was wondering if he wasn't busy trying to fill out his staff when he should have been preparing to face the Pats. Of course Reid holds the Reins on the Offense so maybe it wouldn't/didn't matter.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Well I guess that makes some sense. I wonder if we'll hire another spread game analyst/special projects guy. I'll do it for 300k, hit me up chiefs employees.

[BigRedChief]

I'm good with thatAnd expected. Now he has a pathway to getting another HC opportunity. Good move for him, We should have a better offense next year,

[OnTheWarpath15]

Do you guys think that there will be any meaningful change in the KC O because of this?

Of course not.

OC is just a title under Andy. It's still his offense, he's still calling the plays.

[BigMeatballDave]

Of course not.

OC is just a title under Andy. It's still his offense, he's still calling the plays.

So nothing changes... LOL

[OnTheWarpath15]

So nothing changes... LOL

No, based on what we know of Andy and his offensive philosophy and unwillingness to let someone else call the games, I wouldn't expect anything to change.

Do you?

[DaWolf]

Yeah I was wondering if he wasn't busy trying to fill out his staff when he should have been preparing to face the Pats. Of course Reid holds the Reins on the Offense so maybe it wouldn't/didn't matter.

Probably didn't matter in this case. They probably got Childress to help out as well. We were banged up and just got beat by a better team on the road. Plus I'm pretty sure Reid was pushing for Pederson to get the job, so it was all kosher.

But I do think that Paul Hackett getting the USC job right before the playoff game against the Donx completely affected that game. He had one foot out the door trying to assemble his staff during the game week and the playcalling in that game was atrocious, especially the first half...

[BigChiefFan]

He seems to be a guy Reid trusts, so here's to hoping Childress can give some advice to Reid.

[Donger]

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[BigMeatballDave]

No, based on what we know of Andy and his offensive philosophy and unwillingness to let someone else call the games, I wouldn't expect anything to change.

Do you?

I wasn't expecting Reid to change anything. He's beginning to remind me of Marty. Doing the same shit over and over... You know, insanity... :)

[scho63]

Philly fans thought he was coming along with Pederson

[BigChiefFan]

I wasn't expecting Reid to change anything. He's beginning to remind me of Marty. Doing the same shit over and over... You know, insanity... :)

Yeah, winning a playoff game is insane.

[BigMeatballDave]

Yeah, winning a playoff game is insane.

:facepalm:

[HemiEd]

Has to be a huge improvement, even if only by subtraction.

[bevischief]

More the WTF moments.

[Red Dawg]

I called it first. Chilly baby! Cool customer.

[booger]

Teicher Twitter says both Nagy and Childress to be involved in OC role

[stevieray]

Probably didn't matter in this case. They probably got Childress to help out as well. We were banged up and just got beat by a better team on the road. Plus I'm pretty sure Reid was pushing for Pederson to get the job, so it was all kosher.

But I do think that Paul Hackett getting the USC job right before the playoff game against the Donx completely affected that game. He had one foot out the door trying to assemble his staff during the game week and the playcalling in that game was atrocious, especially the first half...

Charlie?

...sensing a pattern.

[threebag]

Teicher Twitter says both Nagy and Childress to be involved in OC role

Puppets?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Andy doesn't necessarily need to give up playcalling-- Andy needs to work his ass off with the rest of the staff, Childress included to continue to make good game plans and replace half of the shitty screen calls each game with potentially explosive throws.

Yep.

[booger]

Puppets?

Basically. I would assume titles are chilly named OC and up in the booth with Nagy now on sidelines as qb coach/pass game coordinator relaying plays to Alex

Just a guess

[KCUnited]

Teicher Twitter says both Nagy and Childress to be involved in OC role

Childress needs time for his eyes to adjust to the sun after being let out of his spread game analyst office in the depths of Arrowhead.

[chiefzilla1501]

Puppets?

Well, in terms of playcalling sure. But there's a lot more to coordinating an offense than that. I like this situation to put an up-and-comer in Nagy and pair him up with an experienced OC like Chilly.

[Squalor2]

i believe this is a mistake. should have snagged whisenhunt from sd.

[booger]

Childress needs time for his eyes to adjust to the sun after being let out of his spread game analyst office in the depths of Arrowhead.

:D

The title of his role was odd but as Gannon mentioned in the last game of season against Oakland, when they first acquired Alex they studied his college tape. Urban Meyer and Andy are close. Childress was still making money being fired from the Browns and did a bunch of the spread and read option installs. Along with input from Chris Alt as a consultant we got to see the best of all that especially when Charles was injured and Alex started to have more designed runs and read option plays. Probably makes the most sense with Alex being the qb the next 1-2 years having Childres/Reid lead Nagy in that regard

[DaneMcCloud]

i believe this is a mistake. should have snagged whisenhunt from sd.

:facepalm:

Whisenhunt was just hired back by San Diego.

Plus, he's ALWAYS run the E/P and never played or coached the WCO.

[MahiMike]

Awesome!

[SAGA45]

Andy doesn't necessarily need to give up playcalling-- Andy needs to work his ass off with the rest of the staff, Childress included to continue to make good game plans and replace half of the shitty screen calls each game with potentially explosive throws.


Explosive throws require an explosive arm....so....that sends us back to those shitty screens, doesn't it?

[Mr. Laz]

Cool. Wont mean a lick of difference if Reid wont give up playcalling.

this

[Ming the Merciless]

welcome to the factory of sadness

maybe our output will decrease now

[Coochie liquor]

Fuck, really thought Gruden would be our OC /Eatdatpussy445

[keg in kc]

How exciting.

[Mr. Laz]

Explosive throws require an explosive arm....so....that sends us back to those shitty screens, doesn't it?
just shut up... seriously, why start this bullshit up again?

Alex Smith sucks at the fly patterns(dropping it in a bucket) but he can throw all the medium range routes.

There is a huge different between throwing 10 bubble screens or 10 slants/outs/hooks. He's not bad at seam route or post either if they give a little more angle to them.

They need to practice the Go/Fade routes everyday and see if he can improve.

Being able to throw virtually ever route on the tree except one isn't terrible.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/001/469/678/2f131ebd9723b50d6e3c471f38f02556_original.png?1396584430


Andy Reid just isn't adapting the offense a single fucking bit to help him. :cuss:

If we opened up the offense more all the time we wouldn't need to throw many Go/fade routes.

[SAGA45]

just shut up... seriously, why start this bullshit up again?

Alex Smith sucks at the fly patterns(dropping it in a bucket) but he can throw all the medium range routes.

There is a huge different between throwing 10 bubble screens or 10 slants/outs/hooks. He's not bad at seam route or post either if they give a little more angle to them.

They need to practice the Go routes everyday and see if he can improve.

Being able to throw virtually ever route on the tree except one isn't terrible.


Andy Reid just isn't adapting the offense a single ****ing bit to help him. :cuss:

If we opened up the offense more all the time we wouldn't need to throw many Go routes.

I like Alex.Smith but he is limited both by his arm and his own tendencies to play it safe though the latter is improving. He is taking more risks. However, even Reid has stated Smith doesn't have the strongest arm and the offense has to accommodate that. That wasnt just me taking some off the wall shot at Smith's lack of elite arm strength.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

just noticed that charles is only a 5.5 mil cap hit this season, 7 mil next year. We keep west as a ERFA so a 3-4 year contract for Ware looks likely in the offseason.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Explosive throws require an explosive arm....so....that sends us back to those shitty screens, doesn't it?

Edelman just tore our ass apart along with Seattle's season on bubbles and slants.

[Mr. Laz]

I like Alex.Smith but he is limited both by his arm and his own tendencies to play it safe though the latter is improving. He is taking more risks. However, even Reid has stated Smith doesn't have the strongest arm and the offense has to accommodate that. That wasnt just me taking some off the wall shot at Smith's lack of elite arm strength.

and Reid doesn't have the strongest brain either so the offense has to accommodate that.

If you've watch all the games this year, you've seen the offense look WAY better when we start using a regular passing offense instead of Reid's bullshit.

Alex Smith needs to SEE the receiver to throw his best. That means avoid the straight over-the-shoulder passing. We should be throwing 7-12 yard crossing routes all game long instead of all this bubble screen bullshit.

reid is making excuses because he doesn't know what else to do.

[kc79]

If Andy let Pedersen call some plays, why wouldn't he let Chilly? Childress is a more respected coach than Pedersen is.

[New World Order]

Plenty of people have taken shots at Brett Favre for his retirement flip flopping. But now that the 40-year-old is coming back, some people might start criticizing Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress.

According to Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports, Favre and many players on offense "have no respect for Childress."

A Vikings player said, "Brett thinks Childress has no clue about offense. Brett just doesn't trust him."

It was reported Tuesday that Childress made special teams coach Brian Murphy and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell lie to the media about the whereabouts of the three Vikings who visited Favre in Mississippi.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/20/brett-favre-brad-childres_1_n_687636.html

:(

[Mr. Laz]

If Andy let Pedersen call some plays, why wouldn't he let Chilly? Childress is a more respected coach than Pedersen is.

People around are now claiming that Reid didn't really let anyone else call the plays. He just started letting Alex Smith audible at the LoS. Alex Smith is the one that started changing plays to more aggressive stuff.

[Dante84]

just shut up... seriously, why start this bullshit up again?

Alex Smith sucks at the fly patterns(dropping it in a bucket) but he can throw all the medium range routes.

There is a huge different between throwing 10 bubble screens or 10 slants/outs/hooks. He's not bad at seam route or post either if they give a little more angle to them.

They need to practice the Go/Fade routes everyday and see if he can improve.

Being able to throw virtually ever route on the tree except one isn't terrible.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/001/469/678/2f131ebd9723b50d6e3c471f38f02556_original.png?1396584430


Andy Reid just isn't adapting the offense a single ****ing bit to help him. :cuss:

If we opened up the offense more all the time we wouldn't need to throw many Go/fade routes.


I always thought a fade was a deep diagonal - not a cut like a post- but a straight line diagonal route. And I always thought a straight-line route (#9 in that tree) was called a "fly."

And the "dig" was called an "in."

I guess different names for the same things.

[teedubya]

So Netflix and Chilly?

[DaneMcCloud]

Reid was at his peak with Chilly, so I like this hire.

[Squalor2]

I always thought a fade was a deep diagonal - not a cut like a post- but a straight line diagonal route. And I always thought a straight-line route (#9 in that tree) was called a "fly."

And the "dig" was called an "in."

I guess different names for the same things.


football is cumbersome.

[DaneMcCloud]

Plenty of people have taken shots at Brett Favre for his retirement flip flopping. But now that the 40-year-old is coming back, some people might start criticizing Minnesota Vikings coach Brad Childress.

According to Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports, Favre and many players on offense "have no respect for Childress."

A Vikings player said, "Brett thinks Childress has no clue about offense. Brett just doesn't trust him."

It was reported Tuesday that Childress made special teams coach Brian Murphy and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell lie to the media about the whereabouts of the three Vikings who visited Favre in Mississippi.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/20/brett-favre-brad-childres_1_n_687636.html

:(

:facepalm:

You're citing an article from 2010 as some kind of "proof" against Childress?

Yeah, and Favre didn't send dick pics to Jen.

:rolleyes:

[Ragged Robin]

I like Alex.Smith but he is limited both by his arm and his own tendencies to play it safe though the latter is improving. He is taking more risks. However, even Reid has stated Smith doesn't have the strongest arm and the offense has to accommodate that. That wasnt just me taking some off the wall shot at Smith's lack of elite arm strength.

Eh, the only route that his arm strength limits is the deep out, everything else is based on timing and adjusting the throw accordingly which the WCO is all about. OUTSIDE the system is where this is mostly limiting, where the QB can't set his feet or complete his full throwing motion but has the arm strength to make up for it getting there. Smith's ability to razzle dazzle and run around makes up for it imo, it's a trade off. If he had a weaker arm like Pennington or someone like that then we'd have some serious problems.

And no, contrary to popular belief, throwing the 9 route isn't about arm strength. Note that most of his deep balls do not have enough arc, which is the OPPOSITE of the issue you would expect for someone who doesn't have a cannon (this means he's gunning it in on a rope). Peyton, Brees, and Rivers do not have cannons (especially Rivers, his arm is BELOW average) and yet they have no problem completing deep balls because it's all about dropping it in the bucket (long rainbow/punts) with accuracy which is a different type of accuracy required than most throws which are more akin to throwing at a dart board.

[milkman]

Andy Reid is still calling the plays.

You could hire Mike Holmgren or Brian Daboll to be OC, it wouldn't make a difference one way or the other.

[Rasputin]

Can he tell time? Does he have a clock? LMAO

OK, just joking. But let's hope he, or somebody, gets topped to manage the clock.

Pffft this guy is perfect to hire time manager on the sidelines with Andy

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Yeah boy

[Squalor2]

Eh, the only route that his arm strength limits is the deep out, everything else is based on timing and adjusting the throw accordingly which the WCO is all about. OUTSIDE the system is where this is mostly limiting, where the QB can't set his feet or complete his full throwing motion but has the arm strength to make up for it getting there. Smith's ability to razzle dazzle and run around makes up for it imo, it's a trade off. If he had a weaker arm like Pennington or someone like that then we'd have some serious problems.

And no, contrary to popular belief, throwing the 9 route isn't about arm strength. Note that most of his deep balls do not have enough arc, which is the OPPOSITE of the issue you would expect for someone who doesn't have a cannon (this means he's gunning it in on a rope). Peyton, Brees, and Rivers do not have cannons (especially Rivers, his arm is BELOW average) and yet they have no problem completing deep balls because it's all about dropping it in the bucket (long rainbow/punts) with accuracy which is a different type of accuracy required than most throws which are more akin to throwing at a dart board.


lol

[BigChiefFan]

ESPN is reporting Childress and Matt Nagy will split OC duties for us.

[hometeam]

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[New World Order]

http://i.imgur.com/dA5IUA1.png


LMAO LMAO LMAO

[O.city]

Most of those bubble screens are packaged plays based off the numbers in the box vs the looks outside.

Staple of the spread and they play really well with Alex skillset

[Wilson8]

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs plan to split the offensive coordinator's duties between Brad Childress and Matt Nagy, a source said. Details of how those duties will be split are still being determined.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14598526/kansas-city-chiefs-assistants-brad-childress-matt-nagy-split-offensive-coordinator-duties

[rabblerouser]

THANK GOD.

Fuck you, Doug Pederson.

[FloridaMan88]

Reid was at his peak with Chilly, so I like this hire.

Because of their defense led by Jim Johnson.

Philly's offense became better/more explosive when Marty Morhinweg became OC.

[Brock]

ESPN is reporting Childress and Matt Nagy will split OC duties for us.

In other words there is no offensive coordinator

[KChiefs1]

Reid was at his peak with Chilly, so I like this hire.


My thought too.

[bdj23]

Shit, I'll be the offensive coordinator for 60k a year, and probably do just as good a job (and nothing) like Brad Childress will do.

[Potato]

good hire/promotion.. but wtf is a spread game analyst?

[jd1020]

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs plan to split the offensive coordinator's duties between Brad Childress and Matt Nagy, a source said. Details of how those duties will be split are still being determined.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14598526/kansas-city-chiefs-assistants-brad-childress-matt-nagy-split-offensive-coordinator-duties

One refills the ribs and the other the water.

[Wilson8]

I think it is rather obvious how this will work out. Matt Nagy will pretend to call the plays that involve the quarterback and Brad Childress will pretend to call the plays that involve the spread game. Andy is fine with that.

[Sure-Oz]

Maybe he's trying to make Nagy happy too. They'll plan shit but in the end it's all Reid.

[ChiefGator]

He seems to be a guy Reid trusts, so here's to hoping Childress can give some advice to Reid.

This is what I think. He has been watching, was involved, and has more experience than Pederson. I think that Reid will listen to him when he (hopefully) says things that need to change, or if he wants to be more involved in time management.

This is better than Nagy alone, for sure.

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

When you have 2 offensive coordinators then you have zero offensive coordinators, just the way Andy wants it. Nothing will change on the offense and if Sutton is still the defensive coordinator then nothing will change on the defense. Welcome to Andy Shottenheimer part deux.

[ChiefGator]

Only three head coaches have won playoff games at KC: Hank Stram, Marty Shottenheimer, and Andy Reid. If you look at the first five year's of Marty's reign here, the Chiefs were very strong. I would take those years of success any day around here.

Marty's problem was completely trying to change the game plan in the playoffs and out-smarting himself. Reid seems to not do that.

Sorry I can't share in the doom and gloom around here, after we had the best season in 22 years.

[jspchief]

When you have 2 offensive coordinators then you have zero offensive coordinators, just the way Andy wants it. Nothing will change on the offense and if Sutton is still the defensive coordinator then nothing will change on the defense. Welcome to Andy Shottenheimer part deux.
I feel the same way. The Reid era is going to be very similar to the Schottenheimer era. Good regular season teams, not good enough playoff teams.

[mcaj22]

why do we need not one, but two puppets?

[KCUnited]

Harder to place the blame.

[scho63]

The rumours I heard on 97.5 The Fanatic sports radio Sunday while in Philly had Childress coming along with Pederson but it now appears that the Chiefs blocked Philly from hiring any additional coaches off their staff in return for speaking to Pederson prior to season end.

[SAGA45]

Eh, the only route that his arm strength limits is the deep out, everything else is based on timing and adjusting the throw accordingly which the WCO is all about. OUTSIDE the system is where this is mostly limiting, where the QB can't set his feet or complete his full throwing motion but has the arm strength to make up for it getting there. Smith's ability to razzle dazzle and run around makes up for it imo, it's a trade off. If he had a weaker arm like Pennington or someone like that then we'd have some serious problems.

And no, contrary to popular belief, throwing the 9 route isn't about arm strength. Note that most of his deep balls do not have enough arc, which is the OPPOSITE of the issue you would expect for someone who doesn't have a cannon (this means he's gunning it in on a rope). Peyton, Brees, and Rivers do not have cannons (especially Rivers, his arm is BELOW average) and yet they have no problem completing deep balls because it's all about dropping it in the bucket (long rainbow/punts) with accuracy which is a different type of accuracy required than most throws which are more akin to throwing at a dart board.

Great points. Do you find people confuse throwing distance for am strength when they should look at velocity and "zip"?

When Smith throws an out it seems like it takes a day to arrive. Bray, for example, has a demonstrably faster ball.

[Mr. Laz]

I feel the same way. The Reid era is going to be very similar to the Schottenheimer era. Good regular season teams, not good enough playoff teams.
which is why next year should be Reid's last year. imo

Barring any kind of miracle transformation, Reid has taken the Chiefs as far as he can.

Time to move on.

[Discuss Thrower]

I feel the same way. The Reid era is going to be very similar to the Schottenheimer era. Good regular season teams, not good enough playoff teams.

Spot on.

[ChiefGator]

which is why next year should be Reid's last year. imo

Barring any kind of miracle transformation, Reid has taken the Chiefs as far as he can.

Time to move on.

I am completely boggled by these comments, honestly. After nine years of averaging less than six wins a season, we are now averaging closer to ten and a half over the last three. We just won our first playoff game in 22 years. That IS a miracle transformation.

I think you are all so used to being pessimistic about everything you can't see the vast improvement we have had so far.

If we can be in the playoffs consistently, and consistently win the first game, we absolutely have a chance at the Super Bowl during that time.

[Mr. Laz]

I am completely boggled by these comments, honestly. After nine years of averaging less than six wins a season, we are now averaging closer to ten and a half over the last three. We just won our first playoff game in 22 years. That IS a miracle transformation.

I think you are all so used to being pessimistic about everything you can't see the vast improvement we have had so far.

If we can be in the playoffs consistently, and consistently win the first game, we absolutely have a chance at the Super Bowl during that time.
If this year was good enough for you then fair enough, keep Marty err Andy for the next 10 years.

If you want to really build for a Super Bowl then Andy should only get another year or 2 before we move on.

All depends on your goals.

[Discuss Thrower]

As long as the game day experience is centered around the parking lot and not the field, Chiefs fans will always be content with teams having 9-7/10-6 upside that can "make some noise" in the playoffs.

[DaneMcCloud]

All depends on your goals.

Clark's goals include an AFC Championship and not embarrassing the franchise.

Reid and Dorsey have taken a 2-12 team to 11-6, 9-7 and 12-6. They've improved each year, even though the record may not indicate it, and we've seen young players progress from year to year.

They need to win a minimum of 14 games next year and quite frankly, barring catastrophic injury, I think they'll hit that mark.

[DaneMcCloud]

As long as the game day experience is centered around the parking lot and not the field, Chiefs fans will always be content with teams having 9-7/10-6 upside that can "make some noise" in the playoffs.

STFU

[Hammock Parties]

Childress was Browns OC in 2012. They ranked 25th, so we could improve from 27th maybe!

[Bowser]

Clark's goals include an AFC Championship and not embarrassing the franchise.

Reid and Dorsey have taken a 2-12 team to 11-6, 9-7 and 12-6. They've improved each year, even though the record may not indicate it, and we've seen young players progress from year to year.

They need to win a minimum of 14 games next year and quite frankly, barring catastrophic injury, I think they'll hit that mark.

I'm optimistic for next year, but that depends on this off season. We have more issues with personnel than I would like to see with guys at the end of their contracts. Dorsey has done pretty well in that area, so I'm not necessarily worried (right now).

Our schedule for next year is very favorable. I'm not sure if it will be 2013 easy, but we should be favored in the majority of our games.

[Mr. Laz]

Clark's goals include an AFC Championship and not embarrassing the franchise.

Reid and Dorsey have taken a 2-12 team to 11-6, 9-7 and 12-6. They've improved each year, even though the record may not indicate it, and we've seen young players progress from year to year.

They need to win a minimum of 14 games next year and quite frankly, barring catastrophic injury, I think they'll hit that mark.

I don't doubt that the Hunt's goal is something similar to that.

The Hunt family wants to be respectable,make the playoffs ... make money.

Andy Reid is ideal for that, so i assume that he will be here as long as he wants.

As a fan ... if you want a team that is a legit super bowl contender then Andy Reid is not your man. Just like Marty, he was a legit playoff contender but not the super bowl.

Can Andy/Marty get hot or luck into a super bowl ... sure. But he won't ever be a real contender for it.

Our best chance to get to the super bowl is John Dorsey. He might just assemble such a deep and talented team that even Andy Reid can't screw it up.

[New World Order]

Childress was Browns OC in 2012. They ranked 25th, so we could improve from 27th maybe!


LMAO

[New World Order]

It looks like we have created another monster:

Childress, Reid Need Timeout for Bad Game Management

In the regular-season opener in New Orleans last week, Vikings coach Brad Childress displayed his, shall we say, unique style of game management. Childress learned from Andy Reid, who ranks as my all-time worst game manager (more on the Eagles coach later), so some of the odd things Childress does during a game should not be surprising.

However, calling a timeout on first-and-10 with 2:05 left in the game, giving ever-creative Saints coach Sean Payton the option to run or pass to seal the game, was a huge blunder on Childress' part. It's even worse considering the Saints had converted the previous two third downs with passes. It was an indefensible act.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a8f59b/article/childress-reid-need-timeout-for-bad-game-management

[Discuss Thrower]

Same as it ever was.

[BossChief]

How can anyone say we've reached our ceiling?

We dropped 3 ints (2 of which could have been returned for TDs, including 1 in the last minute) and only lost to NE by 7 points in a game to go to the AFCCG.

And that's after losing a huge portion of our playmakers to injury on both sides of the ball towards the end.

Ware
Charles
Houston
Hali
Gaines
Maclin
Oshaunnesy

We lost to NE by 7.

Reached our ceiling? Haha

[DaneMcCloud]

How can anyone say we've reached our ceiling?

We dropped 3 ints (2 of which could have been returned for TDs, including 1 in the last minute) and only lost to NE by 7 points in a game to go to the AFCCG.

And that's after losing a huge portion of our playmakers to injury on both sides of the ball towards the end.

Ware
Charles
Houston
Hali
Gaines
Maclin
Oshaunnesy

We lost to NE by 7.

Reached our ceiling? Haha

And let's not forget that was with 3 backup offensive lineman pushed into starting duty, with Fulton starting only a few games at center.

Plus there are plenty of players on the roster that haven't come close to reaching their individual ceilings:

Offense: Conley, Wilson, Fisher, Morse, LDT, Ware, West and Fulton.

Defense: Peters, Ford, Gaines, Mauga, Ramik Wilson, DJ Alexander, Ron Parker and even Eric Berry, who's play improved dramatically this year.

Special Teams: Santos and Hammond. Santos has improved from 2014 and Hammond has proven that he's an effective punt returner that should get the job Day One.

How anyone can claim that this team has hit its ceiling is baffling.

[Discuss Thrower]

In the last four home games, KC's vaunted defense got bailed out by the clock running out against the Raiders and Chargers who both trailed by a touchdown or less with a chance to tie or win because the offense couldn't put the game out of reach in the 4th quarter. The defense couldn't get a stop against the Chargers who got the ball at their own 11 and managed to drive down to the Chiefs' goal line.

It took a miracle strip sack from Frank Zombo to more or less stop Cleveland.

And the game against Buffalo went the Chiefs' way because they forgot about Sammy Watkins buttfucking the secondary after huddling up for half time.

There was a whole lot of luck that carried them to a #5 seed and the fortune to face a quarterback that turned the ball over five times in the playoffs.

[DaneMcCloud]

There was a whole lot of luck that carried them to a #5 seed and the fortune to face a quarterback that turned the ball over five times in the playoffs.

Shut the fuck up. Seriously.

Did you watch the game Saturday? Are you going to deny the role that "luck" played in the Patriots win?

Two dropped interceptions, one pass deflected into Edelman's hands for a first down, no ejection to Amendola, no Roughing The Passer call on the Patriots blatant hit on Alex Smith, the Knile Davis fumble in Patriots territory when he had both arms on the ball, etc.

Again, just shut the fuck up. You've become Claynus, jr.

[BossChief]

3 dropped ints, Dane.

Smith
Peters
Hali

[DaneMcCloud]

3 dropped ints, Dane.

Smith
Peters
Hali

Oh yeah, that, too.

Such a wasted opportunity. :(

[BossChief]

I had to walk away when Hali dropped the pick in the last minute.

I couldn't believe my eyes that he watched Brady's eyes the whole time and jumped the pass (in front of DJ) only to tip the pass in the only direction that would give NE a first down.

He picks that ball, he probably returns it into FG range...maybe scores.

He knocks that pass down, it brings up 3rd and 12.

I just couldn't believe my eyes.

[New World Order]

In the last four home games, KC's vaunted defense got bailed out by the clock running out against the Raiders and Chargers who both trailed by a touchdown or less with a chance to tie or win because the offense couldn't put the game out of reach in the 4th quarter. The defense couldn't get a stop against the Chargers who got the ball at their own 11 and managed to drive down to the Chiefs' goal line.

It took a miracle strip sack from Frank Zombo to more or less stop Cleveland.

And the game against Buffalo went the Chiefs' way because they forgot about Sammy Watkins butt****ing the secondary after huddling up for half time.

There was a whole lot of luck that carried them to a #5 seed and the fortune to face a quarterback that turned the ball over five times in the playoffs.


That's why I think Pitt, Carolina, Indy, Denver (if they don't have Manning), Oak, Atl are all losses. Might lose to Denver twice if they don't have Manning.

Of course this can change since we have an entire off-season ahead of us.

[Red Beans]

I had to walk away when Hali dropped the pick in the last minute.

I couldn't believe my eyes that he watched Brady's eyes the whole time and jumped the pass (in front of DJ) only to tip the pass in the only direction that would give NE a first down.

He picks that ball, he probably returns it into FG range...maybe scores.

He knocks that pass down, it brings up 3rd and 12.

I just couldn't believe my eyes.

It's hard to catch a football with a big ass club for a hand.

[staylor26]

That's why I think Pitt, Carolina, Indy, Denver (if they don't have Manning), Oak, Atl are all losses. Might lose to Denver twice if they don't have Manning.

Of course this can change since we have an entire off-season ahead of us.

:facepalm:

[DaneMcCloud]

That's why I think Pitt, Carolina, Indy, Denver (if they don't have Manning), Oak, Atl are all losses. Might lose to Denver twice if they don't have Manning.

Of course this can change since we have an entire off-season ahead of us.

LMAO

A healthy Chiefs team is going 9-7 next year?

LMAO

[New World Order]

LMAO

A healthy Chiefs team is going 9-7 next year?

LMAO

Yes.

Let's look at their first 5 games this year with a healthy Chiefs team:

At Houston- Win

Vs Denver- Loss

At GB- Loss

At Cinci- Loss

Vs Chicago- Loss

[The Franchise]

Yes.

Let's look at their first 5 games this year with a healthy Chiefs team:

At Houston- Win

Vs Denver- Loss

At GB- Loss

At Cinci- Loss

Vs Chicago- Loss

lolwut?

[DaneMcCloud]

Yes.



LMAO

I'm going to bookmark your absurd post for future reference.

Good fucking grief.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

Yes.

Let's look at their first 5 games this year with a healthy Chiefs team:

At Houston- Win

Vs Denver- Loss

At GB- Loss

At Cinci- Loss

Vs Chicago- Loss

So do you see the Chiefs going into next season looking like the first half or second half team? Because they were two completely different entities.

[Tombstone RJ]

Childress has been in the NFL a long time, tons of experience....

[New World Order]

So do you see the Chiefs going into next season looking like the first half or second half team? Because they were two completely different entities.


The difference was the strength of schedule

[OctoberFart]

This guy is terrible.

[Chief Northman]

This guy is terrible.

Go Whale's Vagina SuperRaiders!!!

[New World Order]

This guy is terrible.


When the Raiders move to San Anton will you still be a fan?

[OctoberFart]

When the Raiders move to San Anton will you still be a fan?

Oh yeah. There are even more hispanics there who follow the nation. You hear this red sox nation, Steeler nation, and all this other nation crap. There is only one Nation and that is RAAAAIIIIDER NATION. It doesn't matter what city we play in because the Raiders have a large following.

[New World Order]

Oh yeah. There are even more hispanics there who follow the nation. You hear this red sox nation, Steeler nation, and all this other nation crap. There is only one Nation and that is RAAAAIIIIDER NATION. It doesn't matter what city we play in because the Raiders have a large following.



LMAO

[Brock]

Oh yeah. There are even more hispanics there who follow the nation. You hear this red sox nation, Steeler nation, and all this other nation crap. There is only one Nation and that is RAAAAIIIIDER NATION. It doesn't matter what city we play in because the Raiders have a large following.

Your fans will become even more stabby

[rabblerouser]

Cool. Wont mean a lick of difference if Reid wont give up playcalling.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z164/telepicker97/tumblr_m6ha2uyfh71rwcc6bo1_400_zpsvi4gvsdn.gif (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/telepicker97/media/tumblr_m6ha2uyfh71rwcc6bo1_400_zpsvi4gvsdn.gif.html)

[Discuss Thrower]

Your fans will become even more stabby

http://rs85.pbsrc.com/albums/k58/swagv/junk/eso_es_racista.gif~c200

[rabblerouser]

Oh yeah. There are even more hispanics there who follow the nation. You hear this red sox nation, Steeler nation, and all this other nation crap. There is only one Nation and that is RAAAAIIIIDER NATION. It doesn't matter what city we play in because the Raiders have a large following.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z164/telepicker97/Mobile%20Uploads/0cd219ebf1c26095c7da26da00b6da45095385c603383c48243412b56dda1ed8_zpsrhswrsy4.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/telepicker97/media/Mobile%20Uploads/0cd219ebf1c26095c7da26da00b6da45095385c603383c48243412b56dda1ed8_zpsrhswrsy4.jpg.html)

[GloryDayz]

Oh yeah. There are even more hispanics there who follow the nation. You hear this red sox nation, Steeler nation, and all this other nation crap. There is only one Nation and that is RAAAAIIIIDER NATION. It doesn't matter what city we play in because the Raiders have a large following.

Like the Cowboys (who are on national TV even when they suck)?

[Coochie liquor]

I don't doubt that the Hunt's goal is something similar to that.

The Hunt family wants to be respectable,make the playoffs ... make money.

Andy Reid is ideal for that, so i assume that he will be here as long as he wants.

As a fan ... if you want a team that is a legit super bowl contender then Andy Reid is not your man. Just like Marty, he was a legit playoff contender but not the super bowl.

Can Andy/Marty get hot or luck into a super bowl ... sure. But he won't ever be a real contender for it.

Our best chance to get to the super bowl is John Dorsey. He might just assemble such a deep and talented team that even Andy Reid can't screw it up.

Andy Reid has won more playoff games as a head coach than the whole history of the Chiefs. I can't believe we win our first playoff game in 22 years and you're saying this is the ceiling and fire our coach. We seem to be ascending. We are just about where the majority of us felt we should be for year 3. Had a shot at the division, and a bye (although we weren't able to hold on, yeah moral victory but whatever), won a road playoff game, lost to the champs by 7, while holding a big TOP advantage, 12 game win streak. We are trending in the right direction whether you chose to see it or not. Running the coach who has given us 3 winning seasons, and a playoff win, out of town is Raiders level dumb.

[philfree]

Andy Reid has won more playoff games as a head coach than the whole history of the Chiefs. I can't believe we win our first playoff game in 22 years and you're saying this is the ceiling and fire our coach. We seem to be ascending. We are just about where the majority of us felt we should be for year 3. Had a shot at the division, and a bye (although we weren't able to hold on, yeah moral victory but whatever), won a road playoff game, lost to the champs by 7, while holding a big TOP advantage, 12 game win streak. We are trending in the right direction whether you chose to see it or not. Running the coach who has given us 3 winning seasons, and a playoff win, out of town is Raiders level dumb.

In the end Laz will always blame on Clark just wanting to make money.

[Chiefshrink]

Cool. Wont mean a lick of difference if Reid wont give up playcalling.

BINGO !!

[RunKC]

LMAO

A healthy Chiefs team is going 9-7 next year?

LMAO

These morons told us that the Chiefs were an 8-8 team at best heading into 2015.

They don't know anything

[Squalor2]

Childress has been in the NFL a long time, tons of experience....


you are the shithead in aldi that brings a sad and tired bag of oranges to the checkout and says, out loud, "How much are my mannings fair maiden? nay, they are browned, i shall still polish knobs orangly"

[Pasta Little Brioni]

In the last four home games, KC's vaunted defense got bailed out by the clock running out against the Raiders and Chargers who both trailed by a touchdown or less with a chance to tie or win because the offense couldn't put the game out of reach in the 4th quarter. The defense couldn't get a stop against the Chargers who got the ball at their own 11 and managed to drive down to the Chiefs' goal line.

It took a miracle strip sack from Frank Zombo to more or less stop Cleveland.

And the game against Buffalo went the Chiefs' way because they forgot about Sammy Watkins buttfucking the secondary after huddling up for half time.

There was a whole lot of luck that carried them to a #5 seed and the fortune to face a quarterback that turned the ball over five times in the playoffs.

There are a lot of bad football takes on this board and this ranks right up with em...just sayin

[New World Order]

These morons told us that the Chiefs were an 8-8 team at best heading into 2015.

They don't know anything


I said 10-6

9-7 for next season, unless Manning plays.

[Gonzo]

Oh yeah. There are even more hispanics there who follow the nation. You hear this red sox nation, Steeler nation, and all this other nation crap. There is only one Nation and that is RAAAAIIIIDER NATION. It doesn't matter what city we play in because the Raiders have a large following.

And here I was thinking inbreeding wasn't all that common. You proved me wrong again.