2016 NFL Draft: Defensive Tackles

[kccrow]

Post your scouting reports and thoughts on defensive tackles here.

[kccrow]

Long player with good thickness throughout, good bubble. Washington shows excellent quickness at the snap, immediately eating up valuable space against offensive lineman. Displays a developed swim move and solid bull rush right away. Can make himself skinny and slide into lanes. Very disruptive player, allowing his teammates to feed off of him collapsing the pocket. Outstanding burst and closing speed to the ball-carrier. Takes good angles in pursuit. Will need to learn to use his hands better and needs to develop better play recognition. First round caliber talent that may fall due to insane depth along defensive line in this draft coupled with his recent arrest for soliciting a prostitute.

[Saccopoo]

The more I think about it considering Dorsey's past drafting tendencies (pending free agency plus production plus potential), I'm thinking that out first round pick is going to be Austin Johnson of Penn State. Dude is absolutely proto for what Dorsey wants in that position and you've got both Howard and DeVito as UFA and Dontari Poe coming up with a potential monster contract.

The 2016 Chiefs draft has all the hallmarks of the Fisher and Ford picks and it looks like Johnson fits.

[RunKC]

The more I think about it considering Dorsey's past drafting tendencies (pending free agency plus production plus potential), I'm thinking that out first round pick is going to be Austin Johnson of Penn State. Dude is absolutely proto for what Dorsey wants in that position and you've got both Howard and DeVito as UFA and Dontari Poe coming up with a potential monster contract.

The 2016 Chiefs draft has all the hallmarks of the Fisher and Ford picks and it looks like Johnson fits.

I agree and I really like Johnson. Another guy I really like and think that Dorsey will have high on his board is Vernon Butler.

He's basically the same height and weight but has longer arms and bigger hands. Very hard worker that Daniel Jeremiah just put in his first round mock.

[Saccopoo]

Vernon Butler vs. Austin Johnson

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[BigChiefFan]

For NT, I like Vernon Butler. I think he's a really good space eater, strong, and has a quick burst off the line. He's also great in run containment. He's a small school guy and with the depth of DTs in the upcoming draft, he could possibly be there in the 2nd round for us. I'd go DE in the first round and take Butler in the 2nd round.

[Bob Dole]

SI has us taking Sheldon Rankins out of Louisville in the first.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/02/10/2016-nfl-mock-draft-laremy-tunsil-paxton-lynch-jalen-ramsey?xid=social_simplereach_desktop&sr_source=lift_facebook

[Saccopoo]

For NT, I like Vernon Butler. I think he's a really good space eater, strong, and has a quick burst off the line. He's also great in run containment. He's a small school guy and with the depth of DTs in the upcoming draft, he could possibly be there in the 2nd round for us. I'd go DE in the first round and take Butler in the 2nd round.

DE and DT are interchangable in this defense.

6'3", 310 lb.

That's your dude. Another 20 lbs. are a plus, but without losing the athleticism.

Nick Williams, Rakeem Nunez-Roches, Jaye Howard are all the same dude. And they have to worry about Poe in FA next season.

Butler and Johnson are text book in terms of measurables and athleticism. Both fit extremely well into the Decision Lens matrix that Dorsey uses/

[RunKC]

Willie Henry fits as well. 6'3" 310 with a frame to add weight. He apparently has long arms and Big hands.

[staylor26]

Finally got around to watching that Butler vs. KSU/Rice video, and I gotta say I was wrong about Jones being better than him.

For some odd reason Butler looks even better against top competition. That pass deflection and spin move to get the ball carrier were fantastic examples of his freakish athleticism.

Good find RunKC!

[Urc Burry]

Dang just came to this thread to bring up Butler. Didn't hear much about him up until today, and I came away very impressed. Nfl.com compares him to Mo Wilk

[RunKC]

Does Chris Jones have some skeletons in his closet?

@croominator228-@nfldraftscout What were the so called off the field issues with Chris jones? Never heard of anything going on with him at MSU

Reply is...

@nflsraftscout-@croominator228 That's not something I'm going to get into on Twitter. Teams have given me info that says he'll drop based on off-field

[kccrow]

Does Chris Jones have some skeletons in his closet?

@croominator228-@nfldraftscout What were the so called off the field issues with Chris jones? Never heard of anything going on with him at MSU

Reply is...

@nflsraftscout-@croominator228 That's not something I'm going to get into on Twitter. Teams have given me info that says he'll drop based on off-field

Odd. Never heard a peep of anything bad at MSU. If there is something, its something well-hidden from when he was a juvenile I'm thinking.

[O.city]

Ronald Blair seems like a bad ass.

[RunKC]

Consider me a fan of Javon Hargrave. The guy is 6'1" 309 lbs and is athletic as hell. 4.94 40.
Also has good stats in the SEC

[O.city]

So there are all these good dl in this year's draft, but how many of them are or will actually be more than run stuffing guys? Doesn't seem like alot of dynamic guys that can do both

[jonzie04]

Consider me a fan of Javon Hargrave. The guy is 6'1" 309 lbs and is athletic as hell. 4.94 40.
Also has good stats in the SEC

South Carolina State is in the SEC?

[Saccopoo]

Rankins and Wujciak look really good in the on-field drills.

[Wilson8]

Consider me a fan of Javon Hargrave. The guy is 6'1" 309 lbs and is athletic as hell. 4.94 40.
Also has good stats in the SEC

I like Hargrave too. He played at South Carolina STATE, so not SEC. Javon was very good in the practices and game for the Shrine Bowl. If KC doesn't draft a DT in the 1st or 2nd, Hargrave would be a good value pick in the 4th for the Chiefs.

[RunKC]

Fuck you guys are right. South Carolina States jerseys are very similar to the Gamecocks so that threw me off.
The guy dominated Nick Martin at the Senior Bowl and with his combine numbers, they're saying 2nd rd for him.

[Wilson8]

Their uniforms do have some similarities. White helmets and red in the uniform. State uses a big 'S' on helmet. South Carolina uses the large 'C'. Especially watching the Shrine and Senior Bowl, it is easy to get them confused.

I forgot that Hargrave showed so well in the Shrine that he also got an invite to the Senor Bowl.

[kccrow]

Here's some guys that hit my "decision lens" as intriguing prospects at 3-4 DE:

Carl Nassib - Penn State
6'7" 277
34-1/2" arms
10-3/8" hands
4.84 forty
21 reps
28-1/2" vertical
114" broad
7.27 3-cone
4.37 shuttle

Jihad Ward - Illinois
6'5" 297
33-7/8" arms
9-3/8" hands
5.11 forty
20 reps
25" vertical
111" broad
7.38 3-cone
4.63 shuttle

Willie Henry - Michigan
6'3" 303
33-3/8" arms
10-7/8" hands
5.00 forty
28 reps
30-1/2" vertical
110" broad
7.57 3-cone
4.53 shuttle

Chris Jones - Mississippi State
6'6" 310
34-1/2" arms
10-3/4" hands
5.03 forty
26 reps
24-1/2" vertical
106" broad jump
7.44 3-cone
4.62 shuttle

Ufomba Kamalu - Miami (FL)
6'5" 295
35" arms
10" hands
5.01 forty
26 reps
25" vertical
106" broad jump
7.32 3-cone
4.58 shuttle

Bronson Kaufusi - Brigham Young
6'6" 285
34-1/2" arms
9-3/4" hands
4.87 forty
25 reps
30" vertical
111" broad jump
7.03 3-cone
4.25 shuttle

Robert Nkemdiche - Mississippi (could he drop due to off-field?)
6'3" 294
33-7/8" arms
10-3/4" hands
4.87 forty
28 reps
35" vertical
116" broad jump

[RunKC]

Chris Jones - Mississippi State
6'6" 310
34-1/2" arms
10-3/4" hands
5.03 forty
26 reps
24-1/2" vertical
106" broad jump
7.44 3-cone
4.62 shuttle

Bronson Kaufusi - Brigham Young
6'6" 285
34-1/2" arms
9-3/4" hands
4.87 forty
25 reps
30" vertical
111" broad jump
7.03 3-cone
4.25 shuttle

We met with Kaufusi last night. I think he would be a very intriguing mid round pick to put in the weight room for a year to develop. He's a basketball player who even played OLB one season, which shows how athletic he is. It's crazy how similar of a body type he has to Chris Jones, and at the same height/length he did more bench reps than Chris Jones.

I'd love to take him with a 4th round pick.

[Saccopoo]

I like Hargrave too. He played at South Carolina STATE, so not SEC. Javon was very good in the practices and game for the Shrine Bowl. If KC doesn't draft a DT in the 1st or 2nd, Hargrave would be a good value pick in the 4th for the Chiefs.

They already have two of that type of later round, smaller school guy with insane combine measurements on the roster in Nunez-Roches and Nick Williams.

For their size, both Williams and Roches put up combine numbers that better most of anyone in this draft.

Williams:
6'4"
309 lbs.
Arms: 34 1/4"
Hands: 10 1/2"
Bench: 28 reps
40: 4.94 seconds
Vertical: 33"
Broad: 111"
3 Cone: 7.55 seconds

Nunez-Roches:
6'2"
307 lbs.
Arms: 32 5/8"
Hands: 10 1/8"
40: 5.02 seconds
Vertical: 34"
Broad: 114"
3 Cone: 7.67 seconds

Those measurables are nuts, even compared to all of the purported first round talent in this draft.

[Saccopoo]

We met with Kaufusi last night. I think he would be a very intriguing mid round pick to put in the weight room for a year to develop. He's a basketball player who even played OLB one season, which shows how athletic he is. It's crazy how similar of a body type he has to Chris Jones, and at the same height/length he did more bench reps than Chris Jones.

I'd love to take him with a 4th round pick.

Action Bronson won't last that long. He was very productive the last two seasons at two very different body weights/positions. I've seen him even mentioned as a Day Two pick.

You never really know though.

[Saccopoo]

You should also throw in Boston College's Connor Wujciak on that list as well:

6'2 1/2"
291 lb.
40: 4.91 seconds
Vertical: 34.5"
3 Cone: 7.32 seconds

He looked really good in the drills today.

[RunKC]

Austin Johnson was really slow. He won't be a first round pick.

[Saccopoo]

Austin Johnson was really slow. He won't be a first round pick.

Yeah, was a little surprised about how slow both he and Butler were considering that everyone has raved about their athleticism for their size.

One of those instances where game film shows better than the track.

[DaneMcCloud]

They already have two of that type of later round, smaller school guy with insane combine measurements on the roster in Nunez-Roches and Nick Williams.



It's difficult for me to get excited about a 2013 7th rounder and a 2015 6th rounder, especially when comparing to the DT/DE's in the 2016 draft.

[Saccopoo]

It's difficult for me to get excited about a 2013 7th rounder and a 2015 6th rounder, especially when comparing to the DT/DE's in the 2016 draft.

Small school guys. But both are prototype size and beyond prototype in terms of measured performance. They'd both be at the top in terms of combine performance at their size if they were at this combine.

Look at Howard. Took him until this season to put it together.

The big, trench players always seem to take a bit longer to mature at the next level. However, both Williams and Roches both have the tools to be as good as the system allows. Both were very productive at their level in college. It's not like they just showed up at the Combine unannounced. They were there for a reason and Dorsey snagged them for the potential/upside - which is substantial.

One of these guys is going to show it this year if they let Howard test the FA market.

[kccrow]

We met with Kaufusi last night. I think he would be a very intriguing mid round pick to put in the weight room for a year to develop. He's a basketball player who even played OLB one season, which shows how athletic he is. It's crazy how similar of a body type he has to Chris Jones, and at the same height/length he did more bench reps than Chris Jones.

I'd love to take him with a 4th round pick.

You'd find it interesting if you compared his combine numbers to J.J. Watt. Not that far off really. I'd have to think the Chiefs have more than just a passing interest in this guy. I don't think he's round 1 material based on a few things I see, but I think its very likely he comes off the board by the end of round 2.

[kccrow]

Gimme your % chance Nkemdiche falls to KC at 28.

[staylor26]

Gimme your % chance Nkemdiche falls to KC at 28.

60%. I heard some anonymous GM said it was the worst interview he'd ever seen at the combine. All it takes is one team to fall in love with him though, so I'm not going to go any higher than that.

[RunKC]

Gimme your % chance Nkemdiche falls to KC at 28.

Fuck that guy

[kccrow]

Fuck that guy

Yeah right. Kid has phenomenal, top 5 talent. Problem is off-the-field more than anything. Could be another Peters or Houston fall right in the Chiefs lap. This franchise does pretty well fixing broken shit.

[Saccopoo]

Yeah right. Kid has phenomenal, top 5 talent. Problem is off-the-field more than anything. Could be another Peters or Houston fall right in the Chiefs lap. This franchise does pretty well fixing broken shit.

Potential talent.

He never really put it altogether on the field, never achieved real production from a statistical perspective and he's a loon too boot apparently.

Houston was just a dumbass. Peters is just overly driven internally. But both played at a high level during their college careers.

Nkemdiche has got a few more issues than those.

[Jakemall]

I like A'Shawn Robinson for a late first rounder. If not trade back or a trade up to middle of the 2nd and snatch Emmanuel Ogbah. Two very different players though.

[kccrow]

Just an FYI for everyone if you didn't read it... Indiana's Darius Latham was arrested for an OWI 4 days ago. I had him on my radar as a Dorsey type in the 6th/7th round. Certainly had all the physical traits but needed coaching up. He might have fallen out of the draft. Still think he'd be a good UDFA signing though, but drafting him isn't likely at this point.

[RunKC]

@MikeBBonner-BREAKING: Former Bulldog and NFL hopeful Chris Jones arrested in Starkville for driving with a suspended license.

2nd MSU guy to fuck up. Hope this guy falls to our 2nd round pick now. Could be a big time steal.