Framegate: NFL Says It Didn't Keep Data on Ball Deflation

[Amnorix]

Somehow, I have this very strange notion that if the NFL's data actually supported their position, they would be producing it. Instead, the NFL completely reversed course on what they said they were doing and now says they didn't keep any of the data. :rolleyes:


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-s-missing-data-on-air-pressure-is-another-black-eye-in-deflate-gate-saga-025852568.html


August 2015: we specifically demand this data.

February 2016: no, no, we never wanted the data, why would we?


http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2016/02/03/adam-schefter-on-dc-the-league-made-up-the-rules-as-they-went-along-regarding-checking-footballs/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


“I’ll say this, if the numbers came out and supported the league’s contention, I’m just guessing here, we probably would have heard more about that … but that didn’t happen,” Schefter said, adding: “The league has been, I think, inconsistent. In this particular case, the league made up the rules as they went along.”

Around this time last year, deflated footballs seemed to be of the utmost importance to Goodell and the NFL. Now, it seems the league has changed its tune.

“The league made a huge deal out of the Patriots’ footballs, but then this year I think it probably got a little bit more educated on the topic, more educated than it was at that particular time,” Schefter said. “I think that reflected that it was more along the lines of what people in New England thought and not along the lines of what people across the rest of the league might have thought.”



I wouldn't care about all this, except for the fact that the Patriots were docked a first round pick and had their names dragged through the mud, but now all the unbiased scientists support the Patriots, and the NFL is burying the data that could have verified their claims. Of course they are -- it would prove their case was bullshit all along. :shake:

[The Franchise]

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[Amnorix]

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Yes, the NFL's penalty as applied to the Patriots does get a big asterisk next to it. I agree.


:D

[ThaVirus]

Not this shit again...

[Gonzo]

Why would they want to drag their premier team and poster boys name through the mud?
Just a big ol conspiracy huh?
For more attention? Are ratings down? Need the free pub because nobody watches anymore?
LMAO
I don't think so.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You really are a jilted little bitch. Pathetic.

[Bugeater]

Your team cheated.

[BlackHelicopters]

Cool thread, bro.

[Mr. Laz]

fuck off

Tom Brady is a liar and a cheat

1. Patriot's equipment manager nickname is 'The Deflator' for no other reason than deflating footballs.

2. no equipment manager would deflate a football without consent/approval from his QB

3. Brady denied even knowing equipment manager's name

Boom!!


Don't give a shit about anything else, Brady lied and cheated.

[Brock]

They destroyed the tapes they seized from the patriots too, so I don't know wtf you're complaining about.

[BucEyedPea]

Your team cheated.

Nope

[Amnorix]

Why would they want to drag their premier team and poster boys name through the mud?
Just a big ol conspiracy huh?
For more attention? Are ratings down? Need the free pub because nobody watches anymore?
LMAO
I don't think so.


Actually, I'm not sure it's really an intentional thing from the get go. Here's the SUPER-abbreviated version of what I think happened.

1. Colts say "hey, Pats are deflating balls"

2. NFL guys test balls. Have NEVER heard of ideal gas law. Are instantly convinced Pats are cheating.

3. Word gets leaked to media. Becomes a national firestorm.

4. NFL owners and others (who also never heard of the ideal gas law) pressure Goodell. NOT this shit again?! Fucking Pat cheaters!!!!

5. Wells report backs into the conclusion the NFL is under pressure to find, lest they be seen as a bunch of fucking bozos.

6. Everything from there is either cover their ass, or try to make sure that they retain all power under the CBA. The lawsuit involving Brady has NOTHING to do with Brady, and everything to do with making sure they keep all the power under the CBA.

Anything that makes the NFL look more stupid than it already does gets buried, or ignored. They can't reverse course no matter what they think now becuase they will (1) look like fools, (2) make alot of owners angry at Goodell, and (3) piss off the fan bases of 31 other teams who hate the Patriots.


The ship sailed on right/wrong and/or justice a LONG time ago. At about the same time the NFL lost all control over the entire situation, actually.

[Amnorix]

Your team cheated.


If only science suggested that that was true. But it doesn't.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Ideal gas law ROFL what dumb sum bitches Pat fans are

[Amnorix]

fuck off

Tom Brady is a liar and a cheat

1. Patriot's equipment manager nickname is 'The Deflator' for no other reason than deflating footballs.

2. no equipment manager would deflate a football without consent/approval from his QB

3. Brady denied even knowing equipment manager's name

Boom!!


Don't give a shit about anything else, Brady lied and cheated.


How about science establishing that there was no deflation? That doesn't matter?

Nicknames > science. Got it.

[Beef Supreme]

Actually, I'm not sure it's really an intentional thing from the get go. Here's the SUPER-abbreviated version of what I think happened.

1. Colts say "hey, Pats are deflating balls"

2. NFL guys test balls. Have NEVER heard of ideal gas law. Are instantly convinced Pats are cheating.

3. Word gets leaked to media. Becomes a national firestorm.

4. NFL owners and others (who also never heard of the ideal gas law) pressure Goodell. NOT this shit again?! Fucking Pat cheaters!!!!

5. Wells report backs into the conclusion the NFL is under pressure to find, lest they be seen as a bunch of fucking bozos.

6. Everything from there is either cover their ass, or try to make sure that they retain all power under the CBA. The lawsuit involving Brady has NOTHING to do with Brady, and everything to do with making sure they keep all the power under the CBA.

Anything that makes the NFL look more stupid than it already does gets buried, or ignored. They can't reverse course no matter what they think now becuase they will (1) look like fools, (2) make alot of owners angry at Goodell, and (3) piss off the fan bases of 31 other teams who hate the Patriots.


The ship sailed on right/wrong and/or justice a LONG time ago. At about the same time the NFL lost all control over the entire situation, actually.

Guy's nickname was the deflator. You can keep listing fucking bullet points until your computer overheats.

[Amnorix]

They destroyed the tapes they seized from the patriots too, so I don't know wtf you're complaining about.


1. This is Framegate, not Spygate.

2. Glazer has copies of the tapes. They are what most people think they are -- signals from teh sidelines. The rest is conspiracy theory noise.

[Amnorix]

Ideal gas law ROFL what dumb sum bitches Pat fans are


That you are ignorant of basic science is no surprise. It fits in well with your overall ignorance.

[rabblerouser]

They BROKE THE RULES-ULES-ules-ules-es

[Amnorix]

Guy's nickname was the deflator. You can keep listing fucking bullet points until your computer overheats.


Nicknames > science. Got it.

[loochy]

https://49.media.tumblr.com/22f471ceffd56584ddc3eee34c29b208/tumblr_nudfazJy3V1qj4315o1_500.gif

[Beef Supreme]

Nicknames > science. Got it.

The guy with the nickname deflator took all the balls to the bathroom with him AFTER they had been checked by the refs. You can't shove enough science up my ass to explain that.

[Amnorix]

Ideal gas law ROFL what dumb sum bitches Pat fans are


Then why didn't the NFL release any data from 2015, which it carefully collected this year according to their August memo?

wo hours and 15 minutes prior to kickoff, both teams will be required to bring 24 footballs (12 primary and 12 back-up) to the Officials’ Locker Room for inspection. Two Game Officials, designated by the Referee, will conduct the inspection and record the PSI measurement of each football. The League’s Security Representative will observe the inspection process. Primary game balls for each team will be numbered one through 12, and any game ball within the allowable range of 12.5 PSI to 13.5 PSI will be approved, and the PSI level will not be altered. Any game ball that is determined to be over 13.5 PSI or under 12.5 PSI will either be deflated or inflated to 13.0 PSI. The same procedure will be followed with respect to the back-up set of game balls for each team.

Upon approval, each game ball and back-up ball will be stamped with the Referee’s distinctive mark at the corners of each non-insignia panel. The number of the ball will be placed at the same location.

Once the game balls are approved by the Referee, the K-Ball Coordinator (KBC) will take custody of and remain responsible for the security of the game balls and back-up balls for each club. They will remain in the custody of the KBC until 10 minutes prior to kickoff. At that point, the KBC along with a designated Game Official and the League’s Security Representative will bring the footballs to the on-field replay station. Upon arrival, the game balls will be distributed to each club’s Ball Crew in the presence of the Security Rep. The back-up balls will remain in the officials’ locker room and will be secured to the satisfaction of the Referee prior to the KBC leaving for the playing field.

At designated games, selected at random, the game balls used in the first half will be collected by the KBC at halftime, and the League’s Security Representative will escort the KBC with the footballs to the Officials’ Locker room. During halftime, each game ball for both teams will be inspected in the locker room by designated members of the officiating and security crews, and the PSI results will be measured and recorded. Once measured, those game balls will then be secured and removed from play.

For these randomly selected games only, the back-up footballs will be used for each team during the second half. Approximately three minutes prior to kickoff, the KBC along with a designated Game Official will bring the back-up set of game balls to the on-field replay station to be distributed to each club’s Ball Crew.

At the end of any randomly selected game, the KBC will return the footballs to the Officials’ Locker Room where all game balls from each team will be inspected and the results will be recorded.

All game ball information will be recorded on the Referee’s Report, which must be submitted to the League office by noon on the day following the game.

All gauges will be certified prior to each season by Wilson Sporting Goods. Each Referee will be provided with a primary and backup gauge. NFL Football Operations will maintain a backup supply as well. The same gauge will be used for pregame, halftime, and postgame testing.


http://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-game/preparing-the-footballs-for-nfl-games/

[The Franchise]

1. This is Framegate, not Spygate.

2. Glazer has copies of the tapes. They are what most people think they are -- signals from teh sidelines. The rest is conspiracy theory noise.

Yep...I'm sure that Glazer has the full copies. You gullible fucking moron.

[Amnorix]

The guy with the nickname deflator took all the balls to the bathroom with him AFTER they had been checked by the refs. You can't shove enough science up my ass to explain that.


Urination.

If science says the balls weren't deflated, then why would anything else matter? Right, it doesn't.

[TLO]

Thread toools/ignore thread = profit

[Amnorix]

Yep...I'm sure that Glazer has the full copies. You gullible fucking moron.


You're the one believing massive conspiracy theories regarding Spygate, not me.

[milkman]

I seriously don't care about deflategate, but I do have to ask, if science proves something about the deflating of the Patriots balls, is there some scientific explanation for the Ravens balls not showing the same deflation?

[Red Dawg]

1. This is Framegate, not Spygate.

2. Glazer has copies of the tapes. They are what most people think they are -- signals from teh sidelines. The rest is conspiracy theory noise.

He has copies of the tapes that were kept. The rest were destroyed by the NFL and admitted as such by Roger. That is what the congressman was getting involved for, the destruction. You need to wake up and stop acting so stupid.

[Perineum Ripper]

http://i.imgur.com/XzZhxUk.gif

[Beef Supreme]

Urination.

If science says the balls weren't deflated, then why would anything else matter? Right, it doesn't.

If the deflator didn't shit, you must acquit!

[DaFace]

You know, I was just thinking, "I wonder what the latest news is on a year-old controversy that doesn't matter involving a team I couldn't care less about. I sure hope someone brings it up on ChiefsPlanet."

[ClevelandBronco]

I'll never understand why Kraft backed off. He'd have had the league by the short and curlies.

[Amnorix]

I seriously don't care about deflategate, but I do have to ask, if science proves something about the deflating of the Patriots balls, is there some scientific explanation for the Ravens balls not showing the same deflation?


You mean Colts, not Ravens.

And yes. The answer is that the Colts balls started at a higher level (at 13.0, within the range) and then were tested AFTER the Patriots balls during halftime, by which point they had re-warmed to at or near legal levels.

It's a bunch of science. Here's someone smarter than me (MIT Professor/Eagles Fan John Leonard) explaining it in pretty compelling detail.

Short version:

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Looooong version:

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[Amnorix]

http://i.imgur.com/XzZhxUk.gif


Millions care. Most of the must don't happen to reside on CP. :D

[The Franchise]

Millions care. Most of the must don't happen to reside on CP. :D

So then fucking post it on PatriotsPlanet. No one here gives a fuck. Shit...no one here gives a fuck about you dipshit Patriots fans either.

[TLO]

Millions care. Most of the must don't happen to reside on CP. :D

Exactly so stop posting shit about it on here.

[Amnorix]

He has copies of the tapes that were kept. The rest were destroyed by the NFL and admitted as such by Roger. That is what the congressman was getting involved for, the destruction. You need to wake up and stop acting so stupid.


Once again, this is FrameGate, not Spygate. Thanks for your useless input.

[FlaChief58]

You mean Colts, not Ravens.

And yes. The answer is that the Colts balls started at a higher level (at 13.0, within the range) and then were tested AFTER the Patriots balls during halftime, by which point they had re-warmed to at or near legal levels.

It's a bunch of science. Here's someone smarter than me (MIT Professor/Eagles Fan John Leonard) explaining it in pretty compelling detail.

Short version:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/wwxXsEltyas" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Looooong version:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kp4u9vkNxhg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bullshit! That guy has never seen a football or a vagina. Now THAT'S a scientific fact

[Lex Luthor]

I wouldn't care about all this, except for the fact that the Patriots were docked a first round pick and had their names dragged through the mud, but now all the unbiased scientists support the Patriots, and the NFL is burying the data that could have verified their claims. Of course they are -- it would prove their case was bullshit all along. :shake:
I think it's evident that ESPN hit the nail on the head when they described Inflategate as a makeup call for Spygate.

You can pontificate all you want about the poor misunderstood Patriots, but nobody around here is going to buy it. Spygate was a very well-organized and systematic method of blatant cheating. They knew exactly what they were doing, and they knew damn well they were cheating. That's why the guys who did the taping wore disguises.

There's no denying that Bellichick is an excellent coach and Tom Brady is an excellent quarterback. But one can very easily make a case that without Spygate, the Patriots wouldn't have nearly as many Super Bowl victories. The way the Patriots totally shut down the Rams' historically good offense in 2001 was a total shock and a complete mystery at the time. In retrospect, it's not hard to understand how they did it: they knew the Rams entire playbook.

Did Goodell over-react in his punishment on Deflategate? Possibly. Were the Patriots guilty as hell in both Spygate and Deflategate? Patriots fans say "no". Reasonable people without a rooting interest either way say "Hell yes".

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[Lex Luthor]

I wouldn't care about all this, except for the fact that the Patriots were docked a first round pick and had their names dragged through the mud, but now all the unbiased scientists support the Patriots, and the NFL is burying the data that could have verified their claims. Of course they are -- it would prove their case was bullshit all along. :shake:
The mod who changed your name to Asterix was a genius. I don't think there has EVER been a more fitting name for someone (although Prison Bitch comes pretty close).

It's just a shame that some mod caved and changed your name back when you got your panties in a bunch and said you would leave.

[Toby Waller]

Read between the lines. The Nfl is admitting it's all a big show.
People wasted a year talking about deflated footballs.
This offseason will be wasted in Manning's steroid inflated head and or what ever player robs a 7-11 or beats up a woman or if Manning goes to the Rams or plays as a back up for his brother or the SB 1- tape. Just stupid shit but the world will sit and spin on it

[Mr. Laz]

How about science establishing that there was no deflation? That doesn't matter?

Nicknames > science. Got it.

In this case, yes.

Nothing changes the reality that your equipment manager deflated footballs and had a nickname for it

Nothing changes the reality that the equipment manager would NEVER,EVER mess with the footballs without Tom Brady's approval


Nothing else matters ... at some point, Tom Brady cheated and then lied about it.

[ClevelandBronco]

Read between the lines. The Nfl is admitting it's all a big show.
People wasted a year talking about deflated footballs.
This offseason will be wasted in Manning's steroid inflated head and or what ever player robs a 7-11 or beats up a woman or if Manning goes to the Rams or plays as a back up for his brother or the SB 1- tape. Just stupid shit but the world will sit and spin on it

Gotta feed the media. There may be months when they aren't playing football, but the NFL is doing business 365 days a year, baby. Need a national story? The Kansas City Chiefs ain't going to cut it. Better gin up some shit on the Patriots. Everyone has an opinion about them.

[Rain Man]

Gotta feed the media. There may be months when they aren't playing football, but the NFL is doing business 365 days a year, baby. Need a national story? The Kansas City Chiefs ain't going to cut it. Better gin up some shit on the Patriots. Everyone has an opinion about them.

Travis Kelce's going to change that for us. He's going to be the next Tom Brady as he digs and sorts through all those models and starlets this spring.

[Toby Waller]

Travis Kelce's going to change that for us. He's going to be the next Tom Brady as he digs and sorts through all those models and starlets this spring.

Plan 1B

[TimBone]

The guy with the nickname deflator took all the balls to the bathroom with him AFTER they had been checked by the refs. You can't shove enough science up my ass to explain that.

Urination.

If science says the balls weren't deflated, then why would anything else matter? Right, it doesn't.
Someone (I believe it was hootie) posted a link during the controversy, that stated it was not a bathroom. He told them he went in there, with the balls, to use the restroom. This was determined to be a lie, because the room had no toilet.

That, partnered with the fact that his name was the deflator, and that Tom denied any knowledge of the guy (when there is proof that the two exchanged text messages) show obvious signs of guilt.

At best, all you're arguing with the science, is that they were unsuccessful at cheating that particular night.

But the intent to cheat was obviously there, and had been going on for a while.

Not that I give a fuck. I don't think it's that big of an issue, myself. However, the way Tom played stupid about it, and the way Patriot fan boys continuously defend the situation is worse than the violation itself. Almost embarrassing.

[Ming the Merciless]

No data....should be no punishment.

Any team would feel the same.

[Brock]

Once again, this is FrameGate, not Spygate. Thanks for your useless input.

Hard to keep track of which cheating you're excusing on a regular basis.

Bringing you patriots fans here is just behind bringing matt cassel here on the list of things scott pioli should be executed for

[KC_Connection]

Boston fans once again proving why they are the worst, I see.

[ping2000]

No one cares. Fuck anything related to Patriots or Broncos.

[Mennonite]

fuck the cheating Patriots

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

This kinda sums it up for me.

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[Amnorix]

Hard to keep track of which cheating you're excusing on a regular basis.

Bringing you patriots fans here is just behind bringing matt cassel here on the list of things scott pioli should be executed for



You realize that I joined here YEARS before Pioli joined KC?

[Bugeater]

You realize that I joined here YEARS before Pioli joined KC?
Doesn't matter, it's still your fault.

[Over-Head]

You realize that I joined here YEARS before Pioli joined KC?

You realize your trying to debate with a bunch of tail gate band wagon fans who forked up $600, and still believe flying a banner over their teams stadium wanting a HC fired and QB benched actually worked?. :rolleyes:

[Graystoke]

http://adscam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341bfa1853ef0128760751ae970c-250wi

[DaFace]

You realize your trying to debate with a bunch of tail gate band wagon fans who forked up $600, and still believe flying a banner over their teams stadium wanting a HC fired and QB benched actually worked?. :rolleyes:

Somehow, this managed to be the stupidest post of this thread. It's asinine to suggest that Chiefs fans could possibly be "bandwagon fans" of anything. There's no bandwagon of success to join.

And yes, it's been documented that Clark noted the banners and was concerned about the team's image. Beyond that, we'll never know.

[Toby Waller]

Somehow, this managed to be the stupidest post of this thread. It's asinine to suggest that Chiefs fans could possibly be "bandwagon fans" of anything. There's no bandwagon of success to join.

And yes, it's been documented that Clark noted the banners and was concerned about the team's image. Beyond that, we'll never know.
The color red can hypnotize and attract lots of people

[Clyde Frog]

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This symbol is already synonymous with 1998 and 1999

[BroncoDork]

I think it's evident that ESPN hit the nail on the head when they described Inflategate as a makeup call for Spygate.

You can pontificate all you want about the poor misunderstood Patriots, but nobody around here is going to buy it. Spygate was a very well-organized and systematic method of blatant cheating. They knew exactly what they were doing, and they knew damn well they were cheating. That's why the guys who did the taping wore disguises.

There's no denying that Bellichick is an excellent coach and Tom Brady is an excellent quarterback. But one can very easily make a case that without Spygate, the Patriots wouldn't have nearly as many Super Bowl victories. The way the Patriots totally shut down the Rams' historically good offense in 2001 was a total shock and a complete mystery at the time. In retrospect, it's not hard to understand how they did it: they knew the Rams entire playbook.

Did Goodell over-react in his punishment on Deflategate? Possibly. Were the Patriots guilty as hell in both Spygate and Deflategate? Patriots fans say "no". Reasonable people without a rooting interest either way say "Hell yes".

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F0901%2Fap_071104038527_r5585_1296x729_16%2D9.jpg&w=570

Actually the reason the Rams lost that Super Bowl was Kurt Warner's thumb on his throwing hand was f'd up and he threw crappy passes. I watched the replay a few days ago, and th

[BroncoDork]

I think it's evident that ESPN hit the nail on the head when they described Inflategate as a makeup call for Spygate.

You can pontificate all you want about the poor misunderstood Patriots, but nobody around here is going to buy it. Spygate was a very well-organized and systematic method of blatant cheating. They knew exactly what they were doing, and they knew damn well they were cheating. That's why the guys who did the taping wore disguises.

There's no denying that Bellichick is an excellent coach and Tom Brady is an excellent quarterback. But one can very easily make a case that without Spygate, the Patriots wouldn't have nearly as many Super Bowl victories. The way the Patriots totally shut down the Rams' historically good offense in 2001 was a total shock and a complete mystery at the time. In retrospect, it's not hard to understand how they did it: they knew the Rams entire playbook.

Did Goodell over-react in his punishment on Deflategate? Possibly. Were the Patriots guilty as hell in both Spygate and Deflategate? Patriots fans say "no". Reasonable people without a rooting interest either way say "Hell yes".

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F0901%2Fap_071104038527_r5585_1296x729_16%2D9.jpg&w=570

Why the Rams lost that SB was Kurt Warner's thumb was f'd up and he threw crappy passes.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

That you are ignorant of basic science is no surprise. It fits in well with your overall ignorance.

Dude called himself Deflator and Brady lied about it/thread

[MMXcalibur]

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, ANOTHER topic on this shit more than a year later.

[Toby Waller]

Jesus titty****ing Christ, ANOTHER topic on this shit more than a year later.

yep

http://i.imgur.com/UirwyVo.gif

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Pats will look even worse when Cam fists that soft Denver team

[LiveSteam]

Your team cheated.

You calling me a Clinton supporter? :cuss:

[LiveSteam]

You realize your trying to debate with a bunch of tail gate band wagon fans who forked up $600, and still believe flying a banner over their teams stadium wanting a HC fired and QB benched actually worked?. :rolleyes:

Ouch! That left multiple welts

[jspchief]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

[kccrow]

I agree with the Pats and the guy at MIT, but I'm not about to stop you guys from piling it on to Amnorix just for giggles.

[TimBone]

Ouch! That left multiple welts
lol....no it didn't. Reading that post was like getting a glimpse of stupidity at its peak.

What in the fuck have the Chiefs done in the last 3 decades to garner any bandwagon fans?

[Lex Luthor]

I agree with the Pats and the guy at MIT, but I'm not about to stop you guys from piling it on to Amnorix just for giggles.

I base my opinion about Tom Brady's guilt or innocence on Tom Brady's behavior during the investigation. Why did he buy a new cell phone and DESTROY his old one on the very day he was being questioned about text messages that he allegedly sent to the Deflator?

That's not the action of an innocent man. Innocent men don't destroy evidence. Not if they have been wrongly accused and they want to clear their name. They just don't.

[LiveSteam]

lol....no it didn't. Reading that post was like getting a glimpse of stupidity at its peak.

What in the fuck have the Chiefs done in the last 3 decades to garner any bandwagon fans?

The creation of CP has made lots of bandwagon fans.
Yours truly is a bandwagon Chief fan.

[kccrow]

I base my opinion about Tom Brady's guilt or innocence on Tom Brady's behavior during the investigation. Why did he buy a new cell phone and DESTROY his old one on the very day he was being questioned about text messages that he allegedly sent to the Deflator?

That's not the action of an innocent man. Innocent men don't destroy evidence. Not if they have been wrongly accused and they want to clear their name. They just don't.

I'm not saying I disagree about Tom Brady's actions, but they are irrelevant to me. Its more of an NFL bullshit "fact finding" ordeal than it is relying on the data that actually matters. What the NFL should have done in this whole thing is have kept the footballs and allowed them to heat up and dry out inside the facility they were originally tested, and once that happened they should have been tested for PSI using the same gauges used to approve the footballs. Instead the NFL was ignorant and had to find alternate means to try and get information. The NFL failed, and failed miserably, not Tom Brady. The IGL is absolutely, 100% correct in this case and has been proven repeatedly on test balls.

[Hoopsdoc]

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I wonder how much "the deflator" weighs by now. He must have been SERIOUS about losing pounds to give himself that nickname. :rolleyes:

[New World Order]

Why didn't Brady turn over his phone?

[SAUTO]

Why didn't Brady turn over his phone?

He didn't have to?

[Eleazar]

Just like the spygate tapes the league destroyed. Remove any evidence that could later be used to question the league's version of the story.

[SAUTO]

You realize your trying to debate with a bunch of tail gate band wagon fans who forked up $600, and still believe flying a banner over their teams stadium wanting a HC fired and QB benched actually worked?. :rolleyes:

You are a fucking idiot

[SAUTO]

Ouch! That left multiple welts

Really? Most of what he write there isn't true.

They didn't try to get the hc fired with banners.

[Mennonite]

Just like the spygate tapes the league destroyed. Remove any evidence that could later be used to question the league's version of the story.


So those tapes would have exonerated the Pats, and the league destroyed them so they could make one of their most popular franchises look bad, and so they could cast doubt on the legitimacy of of three Super Bowls?

[King_Chief_Fan]

I dont care about the issue or what happens to Patriots

[RobBlake]

Why didn't Brady turn over his phone?

I would never turn my phone over.. ESP. being a high profiled person like Brady.. married to his wife.. did you not see the leaked emails? You better believe his phone info would be leaked and it's not worth it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Why didn't Brady turn over his phone?

:facepalm:

[DaneMcCloud]

I base my opinion about Tom Brady's guilt or innocence on Tom Brady's behavior during the investigation. Why did he buy a new cell phone and DESTROY his old one on the very day he was being questioned about text messages that he allegedly sent to the Deflator?

That's not the action of an innocent man. Innocent men don't destroy evidence. Not if they have been wrongly accused and they want to clear their name. They just don't.

The phone is irrelevant. The NFL investigators were never going to get his phone.

The NFLPA would have filed suit against the NFL had they "forced" him to turn over private property.

That was and will never be on the table for any NFL player.

[Mr. Laz]

The phone is irrelevant. The NFL investigators were never going to get his phone.

The NFLPA would have filed suit against the NFL had they "forced" him to turn over private property.

That was and will never be on the table for any NFL player.

The NFL never asked for Brady's phone.

The NFL said that Brady could give his phone to his own lawyer. Brady's lawyer would then be trusted by the NFL to give any pertinent information about the case to the league.

people keep going on this endless road of excuses

Brady lied and cheated, you don't have to go any further than the equipment manager to see that. The nickname and the denial of Brady to know his name and the logic that no equipment manager would modify a football in any way without their QB's order/approval.

[Lex Luthor]

I'm not saying I disagree about Tom Brady's actions, but they are irrelevant to me. Its more of an NFL bullshit "fact finding" ordeal than it is relying on the data that actually matters. What the NFL should have done in this whole thing is have kept the footballs and allowed them to heat up and dry out inside the facility they were originally tested, and once that happened they should have been tested for PSI using the same gauges used to approve the footballs. Instead the NFL was ignorant and had to find alternate means to try and get information. The NFL failed, and failed miserably, not Tom Brady. The IGL is absolutely, 100% correct in this case and has been proven repeatedly on test balls.
Brady's actions aren't irrelevant to me. That's the data that actually matters, not a bunch of bullshit PSI measurements.

[Mr. Laz]

I'm not saying I disagree about Tom Brady's actions, but they are irrelevant to me. Its more of an NFL bullshit "fact finding" ordeal than it is relying on the data that actually matters. What the NFL should have done in this whole thing is have kept the footballs and allowed them to heat up and dry out inside the facility they were originally tested, and once that happened they should have been tested for PSI using the same gauges used to approve the footballs. Instead the NFL was ignorant and had to find alternate means to try and get information. The NFL failed, and failed miserably, not Tom Brady. The IGL is absolutely, 100% correct in this case and has been proven repeatedly on test balls.
compete load of horse shit

This post is just someone playing games and doesn't care if Brady did anything wrong.

[DaneMcCloud]

The NFL never asked for Brady's phone.

The NFL said that Brady could give his phone to his own lawyer. Brady's lawyer would then be trusted by the NFL to give any pertinent information about the case to the league.

people keep going on this endless road of excuses

Brady lied and cheated, you don't have to go any further than the equipment manager to see that. The nickname and the denial of Brady to know his name and the logic that no equipment manager would modify a football in any way without their QB's order/approval.
You're jumping to conclusions.

And if you don't think that every single item on Brady's phone wouldn't end up on the Internet, then I guess you've never visited the Internet.

If Brady "cheated", which there is zero evidence other than innuendo, know one would be able tell by his performance on the field, which should be the true indicator.

[DaneMcCloud]

If there was any conclusive date that Brady cheated, it would have been published by the NFL the day after the AFC Championship game.

It wasn't and it was "shelved", so...

[DaneMcCloud]

If there was any conclusive date that Brady cheated, it would have been published by the NFL the day after the AFC Championship game.

It wasn't and it was "shelved", so...

[Lex Luthor]

If there was any conclusive date that Brady cheated, it would have been published by the NFL the day after the AFC Championship game.

It wasn't and it was "shelved", so...

Bullshit. The Spygate evidence was destroyed and the whole thing was swept under the rug.

[Beef Supreme]

If there was any conclusive date that Brady cheated, it would have been published by the NFL the day after the AFC Championship game.

It wasn't and it was "shelved", so...

Nobody in the NFL brass wants that black eye.

[eDave]

And none of this means shit anymore.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

And none of this means shit anymore.

Sure it does...mods should change this bitch name back to Asterix and we watch him squirm. That's important!