**** Official FA & Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread ****

[Discuss Thrower]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash">#Raiders</a> have turned their attention to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KCChiefs?src=hash">#KCChiefs</a> free agent Sean Smith, with Janoris Jenkins off the market. But KC isn&#39;t out of it yet</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/707598954578518017">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heard the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash">#49ers</a> have had talks with KC about acquiring De&#39;Anthony Thomas in a trade</p>&mdash; John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/status/706886239203368961">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> free-agency tracker: I’m hearing K.C. has expressed interest in a free-agent WR: <a href="https://t.co/OrPgzX3jVs">https://t.co/OrPgzX3jVs</a> <a href="https://t.co/BNXfot07kQ">pic.twitter.com/BNXfot07kQ</a></p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/706902797493477377">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As I wrote in Friday&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ScoutingNotebook?src=hash">#ScoutingNotebook</a>, I&#39;m told the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> have no interest in RGIII.</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/706906515995660289">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Non-Chiefs rumors: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: The Dolphins are interested in trading for Eagles CB Byron Maxwell <a href="https://t.co/Z5RZmIYtlg">https://t.co/Z5RZmIYtlg</a> <a href="https://t.co/LRt2UneCaA">pic.twitter.com/LRt2UneCaA</a></p>&mdash; NBC Sports (@NBCSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCSports/status/706896443638829056">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a surprise: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash">#Jets</a> QB Ryan Fitzpatrick is expected to hit the free agent market, sources say. Sides are far apart on a potential deal</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/706854897300459520">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Eagles?src=hash">#Eagles</a> have made it known that it&#39;s not just DeMarco Murray who is available, but also Ryan Mathews, as well, for the right price.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/706929170253746177">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Quesadilla Joe]

Eagles and the Dolphins are working on a trade for Byron Maxwell.

[thabear04]

Lets trade Thomas for the 49ers 2nd round pick and next year 2nd round pick.

[RunKC]

Bye DAT

[Bewbies]

Lets trade Thomas for the 49ers 2nd round pick and next year 2nd round pick.

Chip Kelly is over there, we wouldn't be asking for enough value.

Maybe two 2nd's and a conditional 1st rounder if he returns more than 4 kicks for 5 yard average.

[ModSocks]

Heard a rumor on the radio this morning that Oakland and SF are in the running for Sean Smith.

[RunKC]

@AaronWilson-Would expect Chiefs free agent corner Sean Smith to have a strong market for his services. Corner market is robust with him, Janoris Jenkins

Sean is gonna get a ridiculous contract somewhere. Looking more and more like he's priced out.

[kcchiefsus]

Are we just sitting on our asses doing nothing about our own players? All we've managed to do all offseason is franchise Berry because we couldn't even get him under contract. With so many teams flush with cash I imagine we're going to lose a lot of talent.

[-King-]

Are we just sitting on our asses doing nothing about our own players? All we've managed to do all offseason is franchise Berry because we couldn't even get him under contract. With so many teams flush with cash I imagine we're going to lose a lot of talent.

How many players have re-signed with any team so far?

[Dante84]

Former Eagles scout under Andy Reid

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We did a ton of studies on RG3 when he was coming out in Philly. Andy LOVED him. Be shocked if KC is not in the mix</p>&mdash; John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/status/706870381416583169">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[kcchiefsus]

And are we really going to let another fucking offensive lineman walk (Allen)? Our line is already crappy enough and has had no consistency because Dorsey had made it a yearly trend to let all of our OL walk. It's no wonder we can't build a solid line.

[RunKC]

Conor Myles NFL.com insider

@t_upham @Eagles they will be signing #Chiefs OG Jeff Allen that's a lock, they haven't leaked anything else yet, per source.

[BossChief]

How many players have re-signed with any team so far?

The least I can ever remember.

The agents know that there are a lot of teams with stupid management that have stupid amounts of cap space they have to use.

There are going to be some eye popping contracts given out.

[mcaj22]

And are we really going to let another ****ing offensive lineman walk (Allen)? Our line is already crappy enough and has had no consistency because Dorsey had made it a yearly trend to let all of our OL walk. It's no wonder we can't build a solid line.

Jeff Allen is going to get overpaid, hes injury prone and all the young lineman Dorsey acquired are all better than Allen/Stephenson.

good riddance to those overrated and overdrafted Fat Scott picks

[kcchiefsus]

Jeff Allen is going to get overpaid, hes injury prone and all the young lineman Dorsey acquired are all better than Allen/Stephenson.

good riddance to those overrated and overdrafted Fat Scott picks

He's better than most of the other guys at guard when he's healthy. Our line is likely going to be a joke again this year.

[Al Bundy]

And are we really going to let another fucking offensive lineman walk (Allen)? Our line is already crappy enough and has had no consistency because Dorsey had made it a yearly trend to let all of our OL walk. It's no wonder we can't build a solid line.

I fully expect Jeff Allen to get a look from the Buccaneers with Logan Mankins retiring.

[R8RFAN]

Are we just sitting on our asses doing nothing about our own players? All we've managed to do all offseason is franchise Berry because we couldn't even get him under contract. With so many teams flush with cash I imagine we're going to lose a lot of talent.

That's the plan...Raiders will pillage from the Cheaps and Donks making them weaker and us stronger....

[BigChiefFan]

I'd be all over that trade for DAT. This a deep draft and the more picks, the better.

[DaneMcCloud]

He's better than most of the other guys at guard when he's healthy. Our line is likely going to be a joke again this year.

He can't stay healthy.

Bye, Allen. Good riddance.

[Red Dawg]

Everyone looks to be walking. We are getting hosed.

[BigChiefFan]

How the fuck is it we allowed this many starters contracts to be up all at once? Dorsey better get some quality moves done. This 'ol fill in the gaps with no names isn't going to fly for replacing 4 defensive starters.

[RunKC]

From what radio/twitter is saying..

-We have a surplus of G's which means we don't need Allen. He's Branden Albert..
-I would be shocked if we kept Sean Smith or Jaye Howard at this point. They know they will get WAY more than we can give. I'm talking $11-12m. Dorsey is trying but it's very hard with such a weak FA this year.
-I think we are trying to keep DJ, Branch and DeVito
-Chiefs aren't comfortable with DAT anymore (surprise surprise)
-Chiefs like Nick Williams and think he can be a good player as well as T'aamu.

[BigChiefFan]

From what radio/twitter is saying..

-We have a surplus of G's which means we don't need Allen. He's Branden Albert..
-I would be shocked if we kept Sean Smith or Jaye Howard at this point. They know they will get WAY more than we can give. I'm talking $11-12m. Dorsey is trying but it's very hard with such a weak FA this year.
-I think we are trying to keep DJ, Branch and DeVito
-Chiefs aren't comfortable with DAT anymore (surprise surprise)
-Chiefs like Nick Williams and think he can be a good player as well as T'aamu.

So let's keep all the old fucks and let the younger quality players walk. What a fucking plan.

[Kman34]

I'd be all over that trade for DAT. This a deep draft and the more picks, the better.

I'm with you ....plus I thought DAT was considering retirement after the Concussion....

[kcchiefsus]

From what radio/twitter is saying..

-We have a surplus of G's which means we don't need Allen. He's Branden Albert..
-I would be shocked if we kept Sean Smith or Jaye Howard at this point. They know they will get WAY more than we can give. I'm talking $11-12m. Dorsey is trying but it's very hard with such a weak FA this year.
-I think we are trying to keep DJ, Branch and DeVito
-Chiefs aren't comfortable with DAT anymore (surprise surprise)
-Chiefs like Nick Williams and think he can be a good player as well as T'aamu.

More like a surplus of shit at guard.

[RunKC]

More like a surplus of shit at guard.

Signing a broke dick to big $$$ is an awful idea.

he's Branden Albert

[Dante84]

Chiefs interested in Oakland WR Rod Streeter via Terez Paylor

[Discuss Thrower]

Chiefs interested in Oakland WR Rod Streeter via Terez Paylor

:facepalm:

[mcaj22]

I wanted Rod Streater last year lol, not anymore though

[RunKC]

Rod Streater ran a 4.37 40 at 6'3" 200 lbs and had a 37.5 vertical.

Sounds like he fits what they like and he had a decent 2 years but only played 4 games the last 2 years due to injury/coaching decision.

[R8RFAN]

Rod Streater will make a good SR nothing more

[mcaj22]

i really hope this isnt another Vance Walker/Joe Mays FA haul offseason and its more Maclin/Branch

[BigChiefFan]

I might be in the minority, but I think Streater could be a contributor. He's got to better than trotting Avant back out there.

[BlackHelicopters]

Trust Dorsey.

[DaneMcCloud]

LMAO

The CP "Geniouses" bitching about losing shitty players before Free Agency's even begun.

LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

More like a surplus of shit at guard.

You're a fucking moron.

How are Morse, Reid and LDT "shit"?

Jeff Allen missed 15 games in 2014 and several games last year. He couldn't be counted on to start the season so Fisher had to start at Right Tackle because Stephenson fucking sucked at the position.

This team has made too many concessions for Jeff Allen.

Fuck him.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

So let's keep all the old ****s and let the younger quality players walk. What a ****ing plan.

And gather multiple compensatory picks.

[BigChiefFan]

Teams can start negotiating deals today and announcements won't be until the 9th.

[mcaj22]

I might be in the minority, but I think Streater could be a contributor. He's got to better than trotting Avant back out there.

I dont know if hes as fast as he once was prior to fracturing his foot. Raiders wrote a bunch of fluff pieces how he looked explosive in OTAs then was basically a healthy inactive for all of the 2015 season. Couldnt even crack the lineup. I know its the Raiders blah blah, but he might have lost a step or he might be fine and the Raiders just suck.

[BigChiefFan]

I dont know if hes as fast as he once was prior to fracturing his foot. Raiders wrote a bunch of fluff pieces how he looked explosive in OTAs then was basically a healthy inactive for all of the 2015 season. Couldnt even crack the lineup. I know its the Raiders blah blah, but he might have lost a step or he might be fine and the Raiders just suck.

That's the beauty of FA, he'll have to pass a physical.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

And are we really going to let another fucking offensive lineman walk (Allen)? Our line is already crappy enough and has had no consistency because Dorsey had made it a yearly trend to let all of our OL walk. It's no wonder we can't build a solid line.

Oh for fucks sake

[FloridaMan88]

LMAO

The CP "Geniouses" bitching about losing shitty players before Free Agency's even begun.

LMAO

It will be a failed offseason if this turns into the sequel of the 2014 offseason when the Chiefs lost virtually all of their free agents and failed to replace them with anyone of significance (i.e. the Jeff Linkenbach offseason).

I have no problem with the Chiefs choosing not to overpay to keep guys like Sean Smith, but if the Chiefs aren't more aggressive than they were in 2014 in replacing their lost free agents, it will be a failed offseason.

The failed 2014 offseason led to a wasted/missed playoffs season.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

What a bunch of whiny bitches already....wow

[The Franchise]

I wanted Rod Streater last year lol, not anymore though

Last Raider outcast we signed worked out well.

[mcaj22]

Last Raider outcast we signed worked out well.

ones before Branch were absolute turds though. (Walker, Routt)

Its a gamble plucking guys from a shitty team like the Raiders for sure.

[FloridaMan88]

What a bunch of whiny bitches already....wow

The 2014 offseason says hi.

The Chiefs did nothing in the 2014 offseason, missed the playoffs in the 2014 season, with Dorsey after the season admitting he should have done more to address the Chiefs personnel needs.

The strategy of replacing departed free agents with lesser/cheaper players (i.e. the Jeff Lickenbach strategy) doesn't work.

[The Franchise]

The 2014 offseason says hi.

The Chiefs did nothing in the 2014 offseason, missed the playoffs in the 2014 season, with Dorsey after the season admitting he should have done more to address the Chiefs personnel needs.

Hopefully he learned his lesson then and won't repeat his mistake.

[DJ's left nut]

It will be a failed offseason if this turns into the sequel of the 2014 offseason when the Chiefs lost virtually all of their free agents and failed to replace them with anyone of significance (i.e. the Jeff Linkenbach offseason).

I have no problem with the Chiefs choosing not to overpay to keep guys like Sean Smith, but if the Chiefs aren't more aggressive than they were in 2014 in replacing their lost free agents, it will be a failed offseason.

The failed 2014 offseason led to a wasted/missed playoffs season.

The 2014 offseason re-set the deck and allowed for the successes of 2015.

Sometimes you have to let the cap correct itself and then move forward. The 2014 off-season was an exemplary example of that and as much proof to me as 2015 that Dorsey knows what he's doing.

The only bad off-season Dorsey has had here was 2013 and that's one that could've gotten this team into a lot of trouble had Bowe not toked his way out of a shitload of guaranteed money.

[staylor26]

The 2014 offseason says hi.

The Chiefs did nothing in the 2014 offseason, missed the playoffs in the 2014 season, with Dorsey after the season admitting he should have done more to address the Chiefs personnel needs.

Can we at least wait till after free agency is over, more or less starts, before we say it's 2014 all over again :rolleyes:

[RunKC]

@CharlesRobinson-#Chiefs know they'll have to raise the current offer to CB Sean Smith to retain him. Not sure they will. #Raiders & #49ers will be in play.

....

@CharlesRobinson-Yes, #Chiefs have made a conservative offer to retain CB Sean Smith. But they know he's got a wider market awaiting.

[The Franchise]

@CharlesRobinson-#Chiefs know they'll have to raise the current offer to CB Sean Smith to retain him. Not sure they will. #Raiders & #49ers will be in play.

Thanks penbrook.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Are we just sitting on our asses doing nothing about our own players? All we've managed to do all offseason is franchise Berry because we couldn't even get him under contract. With so many teams flush with cash I imagine we're going to lose a lot of talent.

Yep, just like Justin Houston.















Dumbass !

[RunKC]

The 2014 offseason re-set the deck and allowed for the successes of 2015.

Sometimes you have to let the cap correct itself and then move forward. The 2014 off-season was an exemplary example of that and as much proof to me as 2015 that Dorsey knows what he's doing.

The only bad off-season Dorsey has had here was 2013 and that's one that could've gotten this team into a lot of trouble had Bowe not toked his way out of a shitload of guaranteed money.

Bowe contract was bad but getting Kelce, Fisher, Parker, S. Smith, Howard and Alex (by far the best QB available that year) was really solid IMO.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I've heard Dorsey say we won't let good players get away many times.

Actually it was only one time but I watched the same video many times.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Subscribing.

Xoxo

[DJ's left nut]

Bowe contract was bad but getting Kelce, Fisher, Parker, S. Smith, Howard and Alex (by far the best QB available that year) was really solid IMO.

Well with the #1 overall pick and waiver spot, I'd hope he'd be able to get a few solid players, especially given the fact that he was in the same spot as the Raiders find themselves this year; sitting on loads of cap space.

That said, your point is a solid one - when that's your WORST offseason, you're pretty damn good at this.

Successful offseasons are oftentimes determined as much by what you don't do as what you actually do. Had Dorsey gone out and burned up cap space in 2014 either retaining or replacing schlubs like McCluster, Schwartz and Asomoah, we'd have never been able to get Maclin in the fold and getting Houston re-signed would've been substantially more difficult. Hell, retaining Hali may have been prohibitive and given the solid season we got from him (a finishing kick, IMO), that ended up being enormous.

Sometimes the only way to win is not to play. The market's going to be flooeded by poorly run teams desperately trying to spend to the floor. That's not a marketplace a smart GM wants to operate if he can avoid it.

That said - I do believe Dorsey failed in not getting Berry inked prior to the franchise deadline. That's going to, at worst, cost us a fair amount of money (and more likely simply cost us a player in either Howard or Smith).

That said, it's done - move on. Don't go out there trying to 'win the offseason' by torching available cap space in panic moves. That's how he handled the 2014 offseason and it turned out to be the perfect approach.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Well with the #1 overall pick and waiver spot, I'd hope he'd be able to get a few solid players, especially given the fact that he was in the same spot as the Raiders find themselves this year; sitting on loads of cap space.

That said, your point is a solid one - when that's your WORST offseason, you're pretty damn good at this.

Successful offseasons are oftentimes determined as much by what you don't do as what you actually do. Had Dorsey gone out and burned up cap space in 2014 either retaining or replacing schlubs like McCluster, Schwartz and Asomoah, we'd have never been able to get Maclin in the fold and getting Houston re-signed would've been substantially more difficult. Hell, retaining Hali may have been prohibitive and given the solid season we got from him (a finishing kick, IMO), that ended up being enormous.

Sometimes the only way to win is not to play. The market's going to be flooeded by poorly run teams desperately trying to spend to the floor. That's not a marketplace a smart GM wants to operate if he can avoid it.

That said - I do believe Dorsey failed in not getting Berry inked prior to the franchise deadline. That's going to, at worst, cost us a fair amount of money (and more likely simply cost us a player in either Howard or Smith).
That said, it's done - move on. Don't go out there trying to 'win the offseason' by torching available cap space in panic moves. That's how he handled the 2014 offseason and it turned out to be the perfect approach.

I could be wrong but since Berry has been tagged I believe they now have more time to iron out a long term deal. June 15th maybe.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Well with the #1 overall pick and waiver spot, I'd hope he'd be able to get a few solid players, especially given the fact that he was in the same spot as the Raiders find themselves this year; sitting on loads of cap space.

That said, your point is a solid one - when that's your WORST offseason, you're pretty damn good at this.

Successful offseasons are oftentimes determined as much by what you don't do as what you actually do. Had Dorsey gone out and burned up cap space in 2014 either retaining or replacing schlubs like McCluster, Schwartz and Asomoah, we'd have never been able to get Maclin in the fold and getting Houston re-signed would've been substantially more difficult. Hell, retaining Hali may have been prohibitive and given the solid season we got from him (a finishing kick, IMO), that ended up being enormous.

Sometimes the only way to win is not to play. The market's going to be flooeded by poorly run teams desperately trying to spend to the floor. That's not a marketplace a smart GM wants to operate if he can avoid it.

That said - I do believe Dorsey failed in not getting Berry inked prior to the franchise deadline. That's going to, at worst, cost us a fair amount of money (and more likely simply cost us a player in either Howard or Smith).

That said, it's done - move on. Don't go out there trying to 'win the offseason' by torching available cap space in panic moves. That's how he handled the 2014 offseason and it turned out to be the perfect approach.

I don't see it as failure because Berry was coming back from cancer. That's a tricky deal to get done considering the circumstances plus it takes two to tango.

[O.city]

The tag guarantees the tag money earmarked. A long term deal allows you to move said money around more

[DJ's left nut]

I could be wrong but since Berry has been tagged I believe they now have more time to iron out a long term deal. June 15th maybe.

They do - but they had to use the tag on a guy who should've been among the easier signs out there.

And again, this is why I'd have put him on the NFI when he had his cancer diagnosis two years ago. And yes, I'd have absolutely cut his pay. For all the bullshit about the 'good will' it brought us, it doesn't seem to have done dick with this contract.

But if we'd have been able to roll over the $5 million we'd have saved as a cap charge and offered that to Berry now, he'd have probably taken it. But because we simply gifted him money he wasn't owed, he pocketed it and gave us the bird come contract time.

I don't see it as failure because Berry was coming back from cancer. That's a tricky deal to get done considering the circumstances plus it takes two to tango.

I don't mean the fact that they didn't sign him last year; that was understandable. As you've noted, a LTC with a guy coming off cancer would've been tricky and perhaps irresponsible. I mean the fact that with a month-long negotiating window, they couldn't get a deal done that saved the tag for us to use on Smith.

So now they're either going to capitulate and cave in to Berry's demands, or they'll let him play on the tag and find themselves in the same spot next season. Neither of those are good spots to be in.

[O.city]

What's the alternative though, let hI'm walk?

[RunKC]

Well with the #1 overall pick and waiver spot, I'd hope he'd be able to get a few solid players, especially given the fact that he was in the same spot as the Raiders find themselves this year; sitting on loads of cap space.

That said, your point is a solid one - when that's your WORST offseason, you're pretty damn good at this.

Successful offseasons are oftentimes determined as much by what you don't do as what you actually do. Had Dorsey gone out and burned up cap space in 2014 either retaining or replacing schlubs like McCluster, Schwartz and Asomoah, we'd have never been able to get Maclin in the fold and getting Houston re-signed would've been substantially more difficult. Hell, retaining Hali may have been prohibitive and given the solid season we got from him (a finishing kick, IMO), that ended up being enormous.

Sometimes the only way to win is not to play. The market's going to be flooeded by poorly run teams desperately trying to spend to the floor. That's not a marketplace a smart GM wants to operate if he can avoid it.

That said - I do believe Dorsey failed in not getting Berry inked prior to the franchise deadline. That's going to, at worst, cost us a fair amount of money (and more likely simply cost us a player in either Howard or Smith).

That said, it's done - move on. Don't go out there trying to 'win the offseason' by torching available cap space in panic moves. That's how he handled the 2014 offseason and it turned out to be the perfect approach.

Agree. Everyone wants to have an offseason like last year in FA but it's not responsible. I'm perfectly fine with Dorsey having those offseasons every other year to have build comp picks and organize cap space.

Dorsey said from day 1 he's building through the draft, so next year we need to see guys like Conley, Nelson, Ford, Wilson, March etc step up so we don't need FA's.
The biggest problem I had with 2014 was Dorsey didn't draft someone to help that year. Ford was an obvious project who barely played.
I'm fine with smaller deals in FA as long as we draft like last year.
I want guys like Marcus Peters and Mitch Morse's to come in and help immediately.

Big reason we were successful last year was bc of young guys like Fulton, Morse, Fisher, Kelce, LDT and Howard being developed and on the cheap at that. Gotta continue that player development.

[DaneMcCloud]

I want guys like Marcus Peters and Mitch Morse's to come in and help immediately.

That's what every NFL team wants to happen but it's very rare.

[Quesadilla Joe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eagles-Dolphins now trying to finalize trade that will send Kiko Alonso and Byron Maxwell to MIA for draft-pick comp, per league<br>source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/706932421267222529">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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There were reports that the Dolphins were thinking about going after Brandon Marshall, guess they found another option in Alonso.

[MotherfuckerJones]

They do - but they had to use the tag on a guy who should've been among the easier signs out there.

And again, this is why I'd have put him on the NFI when he had his cancer diagnosis two years ago. And yes, I'd have absolutely cut his pay. For all the bullshit about the 'good will' it brought us, it doesn't seem to have done dick with this contract.

But if we'd have been able to roll over the $5 million we'd have saved as a cap charge and offered that to Berry now, he'd have probably taken it. But because we simply gifted him money he wasn't owed, he pocketed it and gave us the bird come contract time.



I don't mean the fact that they didn't sign him last year; that was understandable. As you've noted, a LTC with a guy coming off cancer would've been tricky and perhaps irresponsible. I mean the fact that with a month-long negotiating window, they couldn't get a deal done that saved the tag for us to use on Smith.

So now they're either going to capitulate and cave in to Berry's demands, or they'll let him play on the tag and find themselves in the same spot next season. Neither of those are good spots to be in.

It doesn't shock me because it's a big deal like Houstons. Maybe even harder because of the cancer issue and may involve more clauses and outs. We'll see.

[mcaj22]

easier to get FA help for a win now team than it is landing a Marcus Peters in the draft every year.

If it was that easy then the same franchises wouldnt be drafting in the top 10 every year whiffing on mostly busts.

[jonzie04]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eagles-Dolphins now trying to finalize trade that will send Kiko Alonso and Byron Maxwell to MIA for draft-pick comp, per league<br>source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/706932421267222529">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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shit they can send Kiko to KC for a pick.

[DaneMcCloud]

What's the alternative though, let hI'm walk?

I've said all along that I believe that replacing Howard and Smith will be much more difficult than replacing Berry but Dorsey obviously chose a different tact.

I'll be surprised is Howard gets Derek Wolfe and/or Malik Jackson money.

[RunKC]

That's what every NFL team wants to happen but it's very rare.

Let me rephrase. I want guys to come in and start NOW. Doesn't mean they are elite, but talented guys who can contribute.

We took Dee Ford and had no plans to get him on the field in 2014. I don't want to do that in the first round anymore.

[DJ's left nut]

What's the alternative though, let hI'm walk?

Depends.

My guess is they'll cave and give Berry what his guys are demanding. We'll find out when/if the contract is signed, but I'm betting his representation is asking for more than Thomas and when all is said and done, that's what he'll get.

So if you were bluffing and got called, you should've offered him the deal you'll likely end up offering him now anyway, get it done and freed up the tag.

Now if Berry ends up signing an okay deal to stay here long-term (say, 3rd in AAV among safeties?), it means that Dorsey won the standoff....but was it a Pyrrhic victory? Will he give back any money he 'saved' by now having to work in the open market to re-sign or replace Smith?

[The Franchise]

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There were reports that the Dolphins were thinking about going after Brandon Marshall, guess they found another option in Alonso.

Kiko Alonzo is the NFL version of a whore. I'm surprised Chip didn't try to get him in SF.

[DJ's left nut]

I've said all along that I believe that replacing Howard and Smith will be much more difficult than replacing Berry but Dorsey obviously chose a different tact.

I'll be surprised is Howard gets Derek Wolfe and/or Malik Jackson money.

I think Jackson gets much more than Wolfe and Howard ends up closer to Wolfe than Jackson.

But I think we lose anybody that hits the open market. And at this point, if you're not under contract, why wouldn't you test the market? No sense in blowing your wad now when you've held out this long - go see what the market will support and with the flood of cash out there, you'll be better for it.

[mcaj22]

wonder what FA scrap heap CB Dorsey signs to replace Smith. CB is really thin, mostly garbage, if Dorsey turns one of these turds into a gem he will be the best GM.

[staylor26]

wonder what FA scrap heap CB Dorsey signs to replace Smith. CB is really thin, mostly garbage, if Dorsey turns one of these turds into a gem he will be the best GM.

Jeremy Lane.

Gaines is probably Smith's replacement at the end of the day though, and I'm fine with that as long as we get somebody else like Lane for insurance.

[mcaj22]

Jeremy Lane.

Gaines is probably Smith's replacement at the end of the day though, and I'm fine with that as long as we get somebody else like Lane for insurance.

If we are bumping Gaines to the outside then I want a slot CB like Boykin

[DaneMcCloud]

I think Jackson gets much more than Wolfe and Howard ends up closer to Wolfe than Jackson.

Agreed

But I think we lose anybody that hits the open market. And at this point, if you're not under contract, why wouldn't you test the market? No sense in blowing your wad now when you've held out this long - go see what the market will support and with the flood of cash out there, you'll be better for it.

I'm not sure if it's a certainty that the Chiefs lose every free agent but if there was ever a time to be a free agent in the history of the NFL, this is the year.

The only problem with the teams that are flush with cash is that they're just historically not good organizations. So while a team like the Raiders can offer 20% more than another organization, the stadium is a piece of shit, taxes and housing are significantly higher and there's a track record of failure dating back more than a decade.

I'm sure that some guys won't care about that and just go for the dough but I don't expect every player to just take the money and run.

Eric Weddle was quoted as saying he'd take less to play in New England because they're in the AFC Championship every year. The Raiders certainly can't make said claim.

[staylor26]

If we are bumping Gaines to the outside then I want a slot CB like Boykin

That would be a nice move also, but I'm not convinced Nelson isn't the guy there. I know it was a very small sample size, but he came in and had some really good snaps against one of the best WR's in the NFL last year (Hopkins). Lane would be ideal because he provides depth at both spots.

[RunKC]

Jeremy Lane.

Gaines is probably Smith's replacement at the end of the day though, and I'm fine with that as long as we get somebody else like Lane for insurance.

I do think Dorsey envisioned Gaines/Peters/Nelson next year but man Gaines is always hurt.
He should be ready since he tore his ACL 5 months ago and has 4 more months until camp. I want insurance.

Jeremy Lane? Draft pick? Who knows

[O.city]

Wonder what the numbers are of gius who have actually hit free agency resigning with their original team.

I'd imagine pretty low.

[ndws]

I do think Dorsey envisioned Gaines/Peters/Nelson next year but man Gaines is always hurt.
He should be ready since he tore his ACL 5 months ago and has 4 more months until camp. I want insurance.

Jeremy Lane? Draft pick? Who knows

Amukamara could be a semi-cheap FA add for depth, similar to what Smith was when he signed.

[R8RFAN]

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[The Franchise]

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Q, you retard.

[R8RFAN]

Q, you retard.

It's worth it :drool:

[MotherfuckerJones]

It's worth it :drool:

Go Heels go!

[R8RFAN]

Go Heels go!

They have really pissed me off this year though....

[MotherfuckerJones]

They have really pissed me off this year though....

Too inconsistent. They'll be ok. Back on topic though...fuck Oakland :)

[Hoover]

Well we should land some kick ass compensentory picks next year for the contracts Smith, Howard, and Allen will sign.

[staylor26]

Well we should land some kick ass compensentory picks next year for the contracts Smith, Howard, and Allen will sign.

Which is why this isn't such a bad thing if Dorsey can make some moves with the money saved by letting them walk.

[R8RFAN]

I love how nervous all my little Cheap friends have become...

You guys are as jumpy as a pigeon with his pecker dragging a hot tin roof waiting for the pillaging to start....

This place will be awesome the next few days, Come get Rod Streater

[staylor26]

I love how nervous all my little Cheap friends have become...

You guys are as jumpy as a pigeon with his pecker dragging a hot tin roof waiting for the pillaging to start....

This place will be awesome the next few days, Come get Rod Streater

Nervous?

We all expect to lose Smith and Howard, and that's worse case scenario. What is there to be nervous about?

[O.city]

All these guys are probably using oakland to drive up their price and go elsewhere again like last year

[DaNewGuy]

DeMarco to the Texans

[DaNewGuy]

DeMarco to the Texans

Errr nevermind i just saw a few of my Eagle friends flipping out on Facebook

[RunKC]

Streater chose Oakland over Green Bay when he signed as an Undrafted free agent. Both Dorsey's mentor and former colleague had him for into their board so it makes sense that Dorsey would look into this guy.

[Red Dawg]

What a bunch of shit this is so far. We should be loading up for a run and so far we have done nothing but tag Berry.

Dorsey better have aces up his sleeves or this season will be a backwards fall. Losing Howard, Smith and DJ is just plain old bad.

[staylor26]

What a bunch of shit this is so far. We should be loading up for a run and so far we have done nothing but tag Berry.

Dorsey better have aces up his sleeves or this season will be a backwards fall. Losing Howard, Smith and DJ is just plain old bad.

Lol Step off the ledge man free agency hasn't even begun.

DJ isn't going anywhere ROFL

[TimBone]

I'm not going to panic yet, but if the Chiefs lose Sean Smith, a significant move has to be made to replace him.

I do not want to see a repeat of weeks 1 and 2 from last year.

[DaNewGuy]

I'm not going to panic yet, but if the Chiefs lose Sean Smith, a significant move has to be made to replace him.

I do not want to see a repeat of weeks 1 and 2 from last year.

But Fleming is gonna turn it on this year!

[Red Dawg]

Lol Step off the ledge man free agency hasn't even begun.

DJ isn't going anywhere ROFL

Not on a ledge but I would think DJ would have been signed already. I understand Howard and Smith will be costly but it still does not sit well with me that we had to tag Berry. If he would have signed then we could have tagged Howard.

That is bad.

[mcaj22]

I'm not going to panic yet, but if the Chiefs lose Sean Smith, a significant move has to be made to replace him.

I do not want to see a repeat of weeks 1 and 2 from last year.

there is nobody out there at CB in FA even half as good as Sean Smith or Janoris Jenkins.

Its those two then a massive drop off to old veterans, young injury prone guys, and a bunch of crap

[Halfcan]

I'm not going to panic yet, but if the Chiefs lose Sean Smith, a significant move has to be made to replace him.

I do not want to see a repeat of weeks 1 and 2 from last year.

:clap: I don't want us to pay him 12 million a year either. I have this feeling the Faders are going to throw monopoly money at Smith. Something crazy like 5 yrs 12 mil per with 20 million signing bonus.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm not going to panic yet, but if the Chiefs lose Sean Smith, a significant move has to be made to replace him.

I do not want to see a repeat of weeks 1 and 2 from last year.

When the Chiefs were ahead 24-17 with 30 seconds left and lost on two fluke plays, 31-24?

Or when the Chiefs beat the Texans 27-20, a game in which the Chiefs had in hand in the entire 4 quarters, despite the offense scoring zero points in the second half?

You guys are seriously overestimating Sean Smith's impact last year. Yes, he's a good player and fits this scheme well but he's not a "big time" playmaker and he's dropped more INT's than he hung onto.

He's going to be overpaid because there's a dearth of free agent corners this year but at age 29, the wheels can fall off at any point.

[staylor26]

I'm not going to panic yet, but if the Chiefs lose Sean Smith, a significant move has to be made to replace him.

I do not want to see a repeat of weeks 1 and 2 from last year.

Gaines can play outside or inside, so we might have his replacement already on the roster. Nelson might also be the guy at nickel. I'd expect a FA signing or a draft pick for insurance either way. Whatever happens, we're not trotting out Flemmig again next year.

[TimBone]

When the Chiefs were ahead 24-17 with 30 seconds left and lost on two fluke plays, 31-24?

Or when the Chiefs beat the Texans 27-20, a game in which the Chiefs had in hand in the entire 4 quarters, despite the offense scoring zero points in the second half?

You guys are seriously overestimating Sean Smith's impact last year. Yes, he's a good player and fits this scheme well but he's not a "big time" playmaker and he's dropped more INT's than he hung onto.
Denver's offense would have not been able to move the ball at all in week two, had it not been for Fleming standing in for Sean Smith. Anytime Manning had to have a completion, he just found Fleming and went there. I was there in person and it was awful to watch.

If Smith is in that game, the chiefs win. Chiefs win the division, no home field advantage for Denver in the playoffs. So many things would have been different.

[DJ's left nut]

Gaines can play outside or inside, so we might have his replacement already on the roster. Nelson might also be the guy at nickel. I'd expect a FA signing or a draft pick for insurance either way. Whatever happens, we're not trotting out Flemmig again next year.

Nelson is not a good football player.

The 'good snaps he had against Houston' are being vastly overstated. Look at the snap counts for that game.

The guy took 5 snaps. Five.

Whatever you thought you saw, you were almost certainly watching someone else. The "really good snaps against one of the best WR's in the NFL last year" that you're thinking of were probably one play and then a handful where you got his number confused with someone else.

Counting on Nelson to be anything other than a special team's player is a fools errand.

[TimBone]

Gaines can play outside or inside, so we might have his replacement already on the roster. Nelson might also be the guy at nickel. I'd expect a FA signing or a draft pick for insurance either way. Whatever happens, we're not trotting out Flemmig again next year.
You may be right, I'm not completely sure how much Gaines has played outside. I've always thought his success was at inside corner.

[O.city]

Nelson is not a good football player.

The 'good snaps he had against Houston' are being vastly overstated. Look at the snap counts for that game.

The guy took 5 snaps. Five.

Whatever you thought you saw, you were almost certainly watching someone else. The "really good snaps against one of the best WR's in the NFL last year" that you're thinking of were probably one play and then a handful where you got his number confused with someone else.

Counting on Nelson to be anything other than a special team's player is a fools errand.

Nunez Roches seems to have the same thing going for him around here

[TimBone]

:clap: I don't want us to pay him 12 million a year either. I have this feeling the Faders are going to throw monopoly money at Smith. Something crazy like 5 yrs 12 mil per with 20 million signing bonus.
Yeah...if that's the case, I wouldn't be happy with the Chiefs paying that much. Or for five years. The Raiders can have that.

But they've got to find a decent replacement.

[DJ's left nut]

When the Chiefs were ahead 24-17 with 30 seconds left and lost on two fluke plays, 31-24?

Or when the Chiefs beat the Texans 27-20, a game in which the Chiefs had in hand in the entire 4 quarters, despite the offense scoring zero points in the second half?

You guys are seriously overestimating Sean Smith's impact last year. Yes, he's a good player and fits this scheme well but he's not a "big time" playmaker and he's dropped more INT's than he hung onto.

He's going to be overpaid because there's a dearth of free agent corners this year but at age 29, the wheels can fall off at any point.

You're really going to minimize Smith's absence during the Broncos game?

I have to believe you weren't watching it if that's the case. Or if you were, the television's camera angles weren't cluing you into the atrocity taking place.

Manning would literally scan the line, find Fleming and then chuck it to whoever he was supposed to be covering. It was comically blatant. He did that for the entire last possession after realizing in the second to last possession that he could.

We absolutely, 100% lost that game because we didn't have Shaun Smith. And you can say it's because our replacement was Fleming rather than someone else competent, but let's not act like the NFL is just crammed full of credible backup CBs either. Most teams that lose their #1 CB are likely to have a pretty scuzzy #3 step in.

And if you just let Smith walk and replace him internally, it's entirely blind faith. Gaines injury casts his entire future into doubt, especially when we don't really know if his relatively small frame can hold up to 16 games of press corner. Nelson...well Nelson is bad. Beyond that, what are you counting on?

I believe I was the first person to mention Jeremy Lane and I do like the guy, but you're working without a net even if you do bring him in, IMO.

Getting Berry signed and Smith tagged should've been no-doubt moves for this off-season. So far Dorsey's had one 'executed' decision point and it's been a loss, IMO.

[RunKC]

Rod Streater ran a 4.37 40 at 6'3" 200 lbs and had a 37.5 vertical.

Sounds like he fits what they like and he had a decent 2 years but only played 4 games the last 2 years due to injury/coaching decision.

More I think of this guy the more it makes sense as a depth player. Those measurables are better than any WR in this draft, and you won't have a learning curve like a rookie WR would.

If he's cheap (should be) I'd like to sign him to battle for #3 WR.

[DJ's left nut]

Nunez Roches seems to have the same thing going for him around here

I know what he's doing. He's making shit up.

I recall the play (count 'em - singular) where Nelson had Hopkins in coverage and yes, he was where he was supposed to be.

But that was it - it was the only play. From there folks just extrapolate that Sutton put in some exotic coverage package for the day where Nelson was covering Hopkins and locking him down.

Nope; not the case. You remember a single play in a 16 game season and from that memory you somehow believe this guy is an adequate starting CB. And make no mistake, that's exactly what the NCB in this system is. For as much grief as Mauga gets as an 'inferior starter'; he's on the field less than our NCB would be and I'm absolutely certain he's better at his role than Nelson would be if left out there at NCB all season.

[O.city]

I don't know that they had any big plans on resigning Sean Smith anyway.

We know they made an offer today, but to what extent, we don't know.

My issue with resigning him is as dane said, it could go with him in a year or two (if it's 2 who cares, nfl deals are essentially 2 year deals anyway) and when it goes, it's gonna be bad.

[SAUTO]

Nelson is not a good football player.

The 'good snaps he had against Houston' are being vastly overstated. Look at the snap counts for that game.

The guy took 5 snaps. Five.

Whatever you thought you saw, you were almost certainly watching someone else. The "really good snaps against one of the best WR's in the NFL last year" that you're thinking of were probably one play and then a handful where you got his number confused with someone else.

Counting on Nelson to be anything other than a special team's player is a fools errand. he definitely knocked a ball down on a pass defense. Against Hopkins too.

So he's immediately in big cat territory around here now...

[DJ's left nut]

Rod Streater ran a 4.37 40 at 6'3" 200 lbs and had a 37.5 vertical.

Sounds like he fits what they like and he had a decent 2 years but only played 4 games the last 2 years due to injury/coaching decision.

This will sound really silly because to some extent it is.

But I had Streater on the Sandbox Simulation league that cdcox was running (RIP, Sandbox) and so I watched him a fair amount just to see what I'd acquired.

The guy plays WAY slower than he times. In fact, I was shocked to see he ran that 4.37. He looks like a 4.6-4.7 player. I suspect his cone drill was shit if he was really running a sub 4.4 (and even that I question).

He's not a quick player at all.

EDIT: From what I can see he ran a hand-timed 4.46 (which is probably gonna be a 'true' 4.5ish) and yes, his 3-cone time was poor at 7.06.

That's more in-line with what I'd expect from him. He just doesn't look that quick when you watch him.

[O.city]

I know what he's doing. He's making shit up.

I recall the play (count 'em - singular) where Nelson had Hopkins in coverage and yes, he was where he was supposed to be.

But that was it - it was the only play. From there folks just extrapolate that Sutton put in some exotic coverage package for the day where Nelson was covering Hopkins and locking him down.

Nope; not the case. You remember a single play in a 16 game season and from that memory you somehow believe this guy is an adequate starting CB. And make no mistake, that's exactly what the NCB in this system is. For as much grief as Mauga gets as an 'inferior starter'; he's on the field less than our NCB would be and I'm absolutely certain he's better at his role than Nelson would be if left out there at NCB all season.

Well, in his defense, those are the types of guys you've got to have develop and cover the losses for these guys. Some things have to be filled internally, you can't throw money everywhere.

Some of these young guus are going to have to keep developing like they've done with some of the others.

[staylor26]

Nelson is not a good football player.

The 'good snaps he had against Houston' are being vastly overstated. Look at the snap counts for that game.

The guy took 5 snaps. Five.

Whatever you thought you saw, you were almost certainly watching someone else. The "really good snaps against one of the best WR's in the NFL last year" that you're thinking of were probably one play and then a handful where you got his number confused with someone else.

Counting on Nelson to be anything other than a special team's player is a fools
errand.

I don't need you to tell me what I "thought" I saw. I rememeber both plays he made clear as day. Hopkins was targeted twice with Nelson covering him. Once in the end zone on a fade route, in which he was in great position after being thrown out in the middle of a playoff game at a crucial moment. The next play was a little later in the game when he jumped the route and deflected a pass.

I am completely aware that this is a ridiculously small sample size, but it was still against one of the best WR's in the league last year in a playoff game when he had pretty much no experience.

Me saying he could possibly be the guy at nickel is not nearly as bad as you declaring him "not a good football player" when we've yet to see much of him. I'm not the one talking in absolutes. I would prefer to sign a guy like Lane that can play inside or out. I'm just saying I think Dorsey drafted Nelson to be our nickel, and I'm not going to dismiss him after seeing him get thrown out their against Hopkins and holding his own.

[DJ's left nut]

I don't need you to tell me what I "thought" I saw. I rememeber both plays he made clear as day. Hopkins was targeted twice with Nelson covering him. Once in the end zone on a fade route, in which he was in great position after being thrown out in the middle of a playoff game at a crucial moment. The next play was a little later in the game when he jumped the route and deflected a pass.

I am completely aware that this is a ridiculously small sample size, but it was still against one of the best WR's in the league last year in a playoff game when he had pretty much no experience.

Me saying he could possibly be the guy at nickel is not nearly as bad as you declaring him "not a good football player" when we've yet to see much of him.

Why do you suppose we didn't see much of him, sport?

Must've been that we were trying to keep him under wraps to unleash him on an unsuspecting league, right?

Nelson's not a good football player.

[Easy 6]

Sean Smith may not be All Pro, but losing him is going to suck ass

When paired with a solid, if not spectacular, player... his size becomes its own skill, he automatically kills mismatches that opponents are looking for

[O.city]

His size just allows him to swallow guys outside and not have to be as fast as them.

He's a perfect fit in this scheme. Sucks we are likely to lose him.

[DJ's left nut]

Sean Smith may not be All Pro, but losing him is going to suck ass

When paired with a solid, if not spectacular, player... his size becomes its own skill, he automatically kills mismatches that opponents are looking for

And his steadiness opposite of Peters allowed Sutton and Peters to be much more aggressive, IMO. That's why Trumaine was a much better fit for us than Jenkins would be and why I was so disappointed to see Johnson get the tag instead.

At this point I think the Chiefs have to let Smith go - they can't afford to give the guy a deal that pays a 29 yr old corner with fringe athleticism big money for the next 3 years, nor do they have the immediate liquidity to front-load a deal enough to make it more attractive than what he can get on the market.

But I'd have loved to see him back for 1 via the franchise tag.

[staylor26]

Why do you suppose we didn't see much of him, sport?

Must've been that we were trying to keep him under wraps to unleash him on an unsuspecting league, right?

Nelson's not a good football player.

It's telling how they felt about his development though, when it came to the playoff game when the Texans were still very well in the game, they put him out there instead of any of our other CB's to defend Hopkins 1 on 1 in the redzone.

You can talk about Flemming all you want, but that's a good sign that they felt he got better as the year went on. The fact that he was active for that game alone was a sign of that.

He was essentially redshirted to learn the nickel spot.

[O.city]

And his steadiness opposite of Peters allowed Sutton and Peters to be much more aggressive, IMO. That's why Trumaine was a much better fit for us than Jenkins would be and why I was so disappointed to see Johnson get the tag instead.

At this point I think the Chiefs have to let Smith go - they can't afford to give the guy a deal that pays a 29 yr old corner with fringe athleticism big money for the next 3 years, nor do they have the immediate liquidity to front-load a deal enough to make it more attractive than what he can get on the market.

But I'd have loved to see him back for 1 via the franchise tag.

I know you were a proponent of tagging him, but/and maybe I'm being a little bit of a pessimist here, but he doesn't seem like the guy who'd be overly happy to do it or would do it.

Him not trying to appeal that 4 game DUI suspension didn't seem right, like maybe a little fear of being injured before the FA period itis. Either way, worked out great for them.

In the end, the stars are aligning for the Chiefs to have to take a CB pretty early again. With peters and his aggression/risk/reward style, I don't like having a rookie opposite him.

[DJ's left nut]

It's telling how they felt about his development though, when it came to the playoff game when the Texans were still very well in the game, they put him out there instead of any of our other CB's to defend Hopkins 1 on 1 in the redzone.

You can talk about Flemming all you want, but that's a good sign that they felt he got better as the year went on. The fact that he was active for that game alone was a sign of that.

He was essentially redshirted to learn the nickel spot.

He played zero snaps against the Patriots as they were busy torching Branch, Abdullah and whoever else we tried to put at the NCB.

Was it a good sign that they buried him again? Or that in the last 6 weeks of the regular season, he played all of 4 defensive snaps?

There's really nothing to indicate that he improved as the season went on. His playing time doesn't suggest it and one play in coverage on Hopkins doesn't suggest it.

Like Gaines - if you trust him to start next season, it's based on absolutely nothing but blind faith. There's not a single thing in his performance or use rate last season that suggests he's ready to be a player in this league or that he ever will be.

[staylor26]

He played zero snaps against the Patriots as they were busy torching Branch, Abdullah and whoever else we tried to put at the NCB.

Was it a good sign that they buried him again? Or that in the last 6 weeks of the regular season, he played all of 4 defensive snaps?

There's really nothing to indicate that he improved as the season went on. His playing time doesn't suggest it and one play in coverage on Hopkins doesn't suggest it.

Like Gaines - if you trust him to start next season, it's based on absolutely nothing but blind faith. There's not a single thing in his performance or use rate last season that suggests he's ready to be a player in this league or that he ever will be.

That was at nickel, where they obviously don't feel he's ready. Hence why I mentioned redshirting him. In the Texans game, they threw him out there because he was on the outside where he likely feels more comfortable.

Good thing we aren't the front office/coaching staff, as they've had time in practice for an entire season to see what they have in him and make that decision themselves.

I clearly stated I would prefer to sign a guy like Lane that can be insurance for both guys and compete for both jobs, so I don't know why you're even arguing with me here.

As for Gaines, I have no doubt he can get the job done if he stays healthy. His biggest concern is health.

[BossChief]

Maybe they decide to replace SS with a guy like Brent Grimes, Pac Man or Lane...of course they could always see what it would take to get a guy like Jenkins.

[RealSNR]

Jeremy Lane.

Gaines is probably Smith's replacement at the end of the day though, and I'm fine with that as long as we get somebody else like Lane for insurance.

We should probably find a replacement for Gaines, then, because that dude is only slightly more durable than Sanders Commings.

Right now I wouldn't trust Gaines to guard a bucket of shit for the team, much less own a starting role on defense. Not until he proves he's not made of glass.

[DJ's left nut]

Good thing we aren't the front office/coaching staff, as they've had time in practice for an entire season to see what they have in him and make that decision themselves.


Indeed they have.

And they chose to let him on the field for all of 50 more defensive snaps than you or I got...

[staylor26]

Indeed they have.

And they chose to let him on the field for all of 50 more defensive snaps than you or I got...

Ok you're right, career over for him. He wasn't ready to be our nickel last year, so he's obviously never going to be. Might as well cut him now.

You're acting like a real fucking tool.

[mcaj22]

Maybe they decide to replace SS with a guy like Brent Grimes, Pac Man or Lane...of course they could always see what it would take to get a guy like Jenkins.

if they go the old veteran route then give me Leon Hall

[RealSNR]

You guys are as jumpy as a pigeon with his pecker dragging a hot tin roof waiting for the pillaging to start....


I don't get it. Is that very jumpy? Or not jumpy at all?

[BossChief]

I'm a bit concerned for our run defense, TBH.

Just the possibility of going from Hali, DJ, Howard, Devito, SS and Abdullah/Branch to Ford, March, King, Williams, Gaines and who knows what at safety is a bit unnerving.

[MIAdragon]

Ok you're right, career over for him. He wasn't ready to be our nickel last year, so he's obviously never going to be. Might as well cut him now.

You're acting like a real ****ing tool.

He never said that, anointing him a starter is quite optimistic based on his on the field performance.

[SAUTO]

He never said that, anointing him a starter is quite optimistic based on his on the field performance.

He knocked a ball down against Hopkins don't forget.

[DJ's left nut]

Ok you're right, career over for him. He wasn't ready to be our nickel last year, so he's obviously never going to be. Might as well cut him now.

You're acting like a real fucking tool.

And you're going into the same posture you always go when someone disagrees with you: bitchy little school girl.

It's a good look - have fun with it.

[staylor26]

He never said that, anointing him a starter is quite optimistic based on his on the field performance.

Where the fuck did I anoint him as a starter?

He on the other hand implied it with his "not a good football player" statement, and lack of consideration that he might possibly be the guy they feel is our nickel.

He's talking in absolutes. Not me. Learn to fucking read.

[DJ's left nut]

Where the fuck did I anoint him as a starter?

He on the other hand implied it with his "not a good football player" statement, and lack of consideration that he might possibly be the guy they feel is our nickel.

He's talking in absolutes. Not me. Learn to fucking read.

Like I said - strong look.

You should totally double down on it.

[staylor26]

And you're going into the same posture you always go when someone disagrees with you: bitchy little school girl.

It's a good look - have fun with it.

You're the one that started attacking me man ROFL

Accusing me of making shit up, and starting an argument when I already said something that clearly agrees with your take that we can't just count on those guys. Lol Get the **** outta here.

All I said was that Nelson might be the guy. They drafted him to be that guy and he's played one season. Why is it so ridiculous of an opinion?

[BossChief]

if they go the old veteran route then give me Leon Hall

Or even Cromartie.

If they want to get a little younger, Amukamara or Powers wouldn't be terrible options.

[RealSNR]

I remember when Jalil Brown just needed time

[DJ's left nut]

Or even Cromartie.

If they want to get a little younger, Amukamara or Powers wouldn't be terrible options.

I'm grudgingly considering Amukamara.

We could do worse. I guess.

Damn that's a step down, though.

One place he would help, though, is your worry regarding run defense. I've never been terribly impressed by Amukamara in coverage, but he seems more than willing to bring a hit when needed.

His physicality may serve him well in our press scheme, though he also has a fair amount of durability questions, does he not?

Ugh....we're gonna be worse out there. It's just a question of by how much. Damn I hate that. I hate a nagging feeling that we missed a wide-open window all because Bob Sutton is as dense as a fucking hammer.

[ModSocks]

I remember when Jalil Brown just needed time

I remember when Marcus Cooper just needed time.

[BossChief]

And as far as the Nelson talk goes, I think it's way premature to say what he is going to be.

Dorsey/GB rarely missed on CBs and apart from injury, Dorsey has done pretty well identifying and drafting good corners in his time here.

I don't think it's crazy to say the guy can develop into a solid nickel guy.

[staylor26]

I remember when Jalil Brown just needed time

I remember when Eric Fisher needed time.

It's works both ways, but let's pretend like we know the outcome when we don't.

[staylor26]

And as far as the Nelson talk goes, I think it's way premature to say what he is going to be.

Dorsey/GB rarely missed on CBs and apart from injury, Dorsey has done pretty well identifying and drafting good corners in his time here.

I don't think it's crazy to say the guy can develop into a solid nickel guy.

Thank you Boss. This is all I'm trying to say.

[RunKC]

They liked Nelson bc of his lateral speed, footwork, attitude and showing at the Senior Bowl. The guy was awesome in the DB/WR drills.

I wouldn't get too hung up on Play time in a rookie season. I think he was a developmental player in the mold of Dee Ford. They didn't have any plans to play him as a rookie, just get his feet wet, and that's what you expect from a guy drafted just before the 4th Rd.

I think Nelson was drafted in the hopes of finally fixing the error at nickel back and depth which has been a big issue for this regime after failing with Dunta Robinson, Chris Owens and Jamel Fleming.

I expect to see more of him next year.

[BossChief]

I'm grudgingly considering Amukamara.

We could do worse. I guess.

Damn that's a step down, though.

One place he would help, though, is your worry regarding run defense. I've never been terribly impressed by Amukamara in coverage, but he seems more than willing to bring a hit when needed.

His physicality may serve him well in our press scheme, though he also has a fair amount of durability questions, does he not?

Ugh....we're gonna be worse out there. It's just a question of by how much. Damn I hate that. I hate a nagging feeling that we missed a wide-open window all because Bob Sutton is as dense as a ****ing hammer.

We are absolutely going to take a step back in defensive talent, but maybe not as much as some think.

Dorsey found Sean Smith and I trust him to find the next Sean Smith.

I think we have some of the very best secondary coaches in the NFL...maybe they can take a guy with talent like Amukamara and make him the next SS.

Honestly, I think they can.

[RealSNR]

I remember when Marcus Cooper just needed time.

Different situations.

Marcus Cooper made some very impressive plays for a stretch of 3-4 weeks in 2013 that were the keys to us winning games in that 9-0 stretch. Then teams figured him out.

Jalil Brown never was. We waited patiently, but he never blossomed into shit. He was the most disappointing CB we've drafted since Julian Battle.

Unless the unexpected happens, Nelson is on that same shitty path.

[DJ's left nut]

While I'm thinking about Amukamara, it dawned on me who Nelson kinda reminds me of.

Jayron Hosley. Now, Hosley's a fuckup and has always been kind of a nitwit, but Hosley was one of those undersized, nominally athletic players that got by on 'grit' in college.

Those guys simply don't have a role in most modern NFL defenses, IMO.

What is it you see in Nelson, apart from the fact that the Chiefs drafted him, to suggest that he'll be good? Was it the average 40 time? Average 3-cone? Piss Poor deep shuttle, broad jump and vertical jumps? The small stature?

If the Chiefs hadn't drafted the guy, you wouldn't think twice about him. There's just not much there.

[MIAdragon]

Where the **** did I anoint him as a starter?

He on the other hand implied it with his "not a good football player" statement, and lack of consideration that he might possibly be the guy they feel is our nickel.

He's talking in absolutes. Not me. Learn to ****ing read.

You're a winner, can't articulate with out expletives. Go play in the street.

[staylor26]

Different situations.

Marcus Cooper made some very impressive plays for a stretch of 3-4 weeks in 2013 that were the keys to us winning games in that 9-0 stretch. Then teams figured him out.

Jalil Brown never was. We waited patiently, but he never blossomed into shit. He was the most disappointing CB we've drafted since Julian Battle.

Unless the unexpected happens, Nelson is on that same shitty path.

Jalil Brown was a 5th round pick under Pioli.

Nelson was a 3rd round pick under Dorsey, who has shown the ability to identify talent at the CB position.

[ModSocks]

Different situations.

Marcus Cooper made some very impressive plays for a stretch of 3-4 weeks in 2013 that were the keys to us winning games in that 9-0 stretch. Then teams figured him out.

Jalil Brown never was. We waited patiently, but he never blossomed into shit. He was the most disappointing CB we've drafted since Julian Battle.

Unless the unexpected happens, Nelson is on that same shitty path.

Cooper got roasted and picked on far more than he made plays that season. Point is: I was right, CP was wrong...so fuck you everybody.

But no, im not worried about Nelson yet. Though im not counting on him for any significant reps either.

[staylor26]

You're a winner, can't articulate with out expletives. Go play in the street.

Ok I'll try not to cuss, so you can get a better understanding of my point.

You accused me of talking in terms of absolutes, when it was in fact the other way around. Got it?

[staylor26]

While I'm thinking about Amukamara, it dawned on me who Nelson kinda reminds me of.

Jayron Hosley. Now, Hosley's a ****up and has always been kind of a nitwit, but Hosley was one of those undersized, nominally athletic players that got by on 'grit' in college.

Those guys simply don't have a role in most modern NFL defenses, IMO.

What is it you see in Nelson, apart from the fact that the Chiefs drafted him, to suggest that he'll be good? Was it the average 40 time? Average 3-cone? Piss Poor deep shuttle, broad jump and vertical jumps? The small stature?

If the Chiefs hadn't drafted the guy, you wouldn't think twice about him. There's just not much there.

He ran a 4.49 and had a 3 cone of 6.88. Those are solid #'s to go along with some good tape and a good Senior Bowl. You don't have to like him, but that doesn't mean there isn't hope there.

[BossChief]

While I'm thinking about Amukamara, it dawned on me who Nelson kinda reminds me of.

Jayron Hosley. Now, Hosley's a ****up and has always been kind of a nitwit, but Hosley was one of those undersized, nominally athletic players that got by on 'grit' in college.

Those guys simply don't have a role in most modern NFL defenses, IMO.

What is it you see in Nelson, apart from the fact that the Chiefs drafted him, to suggest that he'll be good? Was it the average 40 time? Average 3-cone? Piss Poor deep shuttle, broad jump and vertical jumps? The small stature?

If the Chiefs hadn't drafted the guy, you wouldn't think twice about him. There's just not much there.

I think it's unfair to label Nelson.

He could end up being our Chris Harris Jr or our Julian Battle.

Basing anything off his rookie year is unfair, IMO.

The guy played less than 20 snaps, right? Impossible to judge his career projection on that.

I'd love to see Gaines stay healthy because in his rookie year, he was in the top 15 in the NFL in yards per coverage snap...I think he can become a blanketing corner capable of covering high end receivers and between he and Peters I think that pair has a chance to be in the top 5 of corners in PBUs next year.

[Dante84]

Everyone's talking about Gaines as if he's not coming off of ACL surgery.

Sure, guys come back from it all the time these days, but it's definitely not an automatic.

If he doesn't pan out, we're fucked if we lose Smith.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I'm a bit concerned for our run defense, TBH.

Just the possibility of going from Hali, DJ, Howard, Devito, SS and Abdullah/Branch to Ford, March, King, Williams, Gaines and who knows what at safety is a bit unnerving.


Don't forget we signed that monster that was cut by the Cards, Te'amu or something like that. He was supposedly really solid before he got the I don't care anymore attitude. He's the next gem. He may take Howards spot while Howard goes on to a big contract with Oakland and doesn't do shit.

[staylor26]

Everyone's talking about Gaines as if he's not coming off of ACL surgery.

Sure, guys come back from it all the time these days, but it's definitely not an automatic.

If he doesn't pan out, we're ****ed if we lose Smith.

This day and age it's automatic. The concern is that he's injury prone.

[ModSocks]

Everyone's talking about Gaines as if he's not coming off of ACL surgery.

Sure, guys come back from it all the time these days, but it's definitely not an automatic.

If he doesn't pan out, we're ****ed if we lose Smith.

I wasn't too high on Gaines BEFORE the ACL. I don't view him as any more than a nickle.

[SAUTO]

I wasn't too high on Gaines BEFORE the ACL. I don't view him as any more than a nickle.

He a long strider not suited for nickel imo

[staylor26]

I wasn't too high on Gaines BEFORE the ACL. I don't view him as any more than a nickle.

Well you weren't paying attention. He's played extremely well when healthy. Inside and out.

[ModSocks]

Well you weren't paying attention. He's played extremely well when healthy. Inside and out.

Bullshit. He was an avg player. Nothing more. "Extremely" ....this freakin guy has never met a Chief player he couldn't slob the knob.

[staylor26]

Bullshit. He was an avg player. Nothing more. "Extremely" ....this freakin guy has never met a Chief player he couldn't slob the knob.

The PFF stats back this up if you care to look them up. I might be on the optimistic side, but this isn't a case where I'm being overly optimistic.

[BigChiefFan]

An under the radar DE could be Cedric Thorton of the Eagles, he could replace DeVito for us.

[ModSocks]

The PFF stats back this up if you care to look them up. I might be on the optimistic side, but this isn't a case where I'm being overly optimistic.

Yes it is. And i don't care what PFF says. PFF is all over the fucking place with its ratings.

Gaines played like a guy with some potential. That's nice. I'm not down on him or anything, i just don't think he's proven shit yet. I certainly don't think he deserves to be handed the starting job either.

[staylor26]

Yes it is. And i don't care what PFF says. PFF is all over the ****ing place with its ratings.

Gaines played like a guy with some potential. That's nice. I'm not down on him or anything, i just don't think he's proven shit yet. I certainly don't think he deserves to be handed the starting job either.

I'm not talking about ratings. I'm talking about the advanced stats.

Gaines has been pretty ****ing good statistically when healthy.

[SAUTO]

There is supposedly a video floating around of asswiper blocki ng a woman from hitting his wife and then getting shoved in the back towards his limo.

He smartly left I guess.

[SAUTO]

ACTUALLY he SHOVED A WOMAN then got in her face then his wife pulled him away and as he was walking off a guy shoves the shit out of him and he doesn't act so tough anymore.


Lmao

[Red Dawg]

We are screwed and will be shit next season.

That is all.

[The Franchise]

DeMarco Murray traded to the Titans

[staylor26]

DeMarco Murray traded to the Titans

Lol everybody that Chip got to replace the guys that left are being traded.

[RunKC]

DeMarco Murray traded to the Titans

Thanks for the link penbrook

[staylor26]

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/videos/Steven-Nelson-Locks-Down-DeAndre-Hopkins/7573d397-9fd0-4e38-8b14-d09e64f9e96f

Those are the two plays I was referring to if anybody cares to see.

[LoneWolf]

We are screwed and will be shit next season.

That is all.

Clean out your vagina.

[SAUTO]

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/videos/Steven-Nelson-Locks-Down-DeAndre-Hopkins/7573d397-9fd0-4e38-8b14-d09e64f9e96f

Those are the two plays I was referring to if anybody cares to see.

The first was lucky to not be flagged for defensive holding, the second should have been a pick six

[staylor26]

The first was lucky to not be flagged for defensive holding, the second should have been a pick six

Disagree that should've been called. Definitely should've been a pick six though.

[SAUTO]

Disagree that should've been called. Definitely should've been a pick six though.

He had two hands on Hopkins for quite a while.

[staylor26]

He had two hands on Hopkins for quite a while.

Hopkins did jus as much grabbing and even had a little push off the helmet towards the end. Nelson put his hands up just in time.

[SAUTO]

Hopkins did jus as much grabbing and even had a little push of the helmet towards the end. Nelson put his hands up just in time.

Yep and that's called d holding quite often

[staylor26]

Yep and that's called d holding quite often

Lol that would be a very ticky tack call man. That happens all the time.

If you're talking about face guarding that is no longer a penalty. There was no contact after his hands went up.

[BossChief]

Everyone's talking about Gaines as if he's not coming off of ACL surgery.

Sure, guys come back from it all the time these days, but it's definitely not an automatic.

If he doesn't pan out, we're ****ed if we lose Smith.

Jamaal says he and Gaines are working together on rehab. I'm not worried one bit.

Jamaal came back just fine the last time he rehabbed his ACL, so mentally he knows he can get back to full strength. Some of the videos he puts out are quite impressive for a guy in rehab as long as he has.

[Saccopoo]

An under the radar DE could be Cedric Thorton of the Eagles, he could replace DeVito for us.

You know who I'd like to replace DeVito with?

DeVito.

Jesus...

[Saccopoo]

I'm still up for trading Kelce to Minnesota for Xavier Rhodes and a pick or two.

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[Sure-Oz]

@ProFootballTalk: Wow: Colts keep TE Dwayne Allen, per source. Four-year deal.

[OctoberFart]

I heard KC is going to go after Browns Mack.

[The Franchise]

I heard KC is going to go after Browns Mack.

I heard you're a moron.

[Bewbies]

I hope for Fart's sake he's like 12 in real life.

[thabear04]

I heard KC is going to go after Browns Mack.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: Falcons interested in Alex Mack <a href="https://t.co/MZjIv6CjZ4">https://t.co/MZjIv6CjZ4</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/706986614925295616">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[thabear04]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: Browns interested in Jaguars center Wisniewski <a href="https://t.co/BoYMlPjXQq">https://t.co/BoYMlPjXQq</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/706977067473088516">March 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[thabear04]

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[MahiMike]

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Who is that?

[Chief Northman]

Who is that?

Chest Rockwell.

[SAUTO]

Who is that?

Assweiler

[Red Dawg]

Apparently we are interested in nobody. 2017 cap hell is right around the corner so we will be doing nothing but shaking our guys hands as they go elsewhere.

Am I the only one that has a bad feeling about the way shit has gone so far?

[SAUTO]

Apparently we are interested in nobody. 2017 cap hell is right around the corner so we will be doing nothing but shaking our guys hands as they go elsewhere.

Am I the only one that has a bad feeling about the way shit has gone so far?

I've heard it's because of your racist comments.

[staylor26]

Apparently we are interested in nobody. 2017 cap hell is right around the corner so we will be doing nothing but shaking our guys hands as they go elsewhere.

Am I the only one that has a bad feeling about the way shit has gone so far?

This team lost by 7 pts to the Patriots in NE without Houston, Maclin, Charles, Ware, Gaines, LDT, Morse, O'shaughnessy, or March.

Losing Smith. Howard and Allen WILL NOT break us. Not when we will still have money to make some moves and 8 more draft picks to continue to build with. This team has a window beyond this year and there's no reason to panic and overpay for these guys. We will also be getting some comp picks for them next year.

Calm the **** down.

[Saccopoo]

I heard you're a moron.

I heard that too. Coincidence? I think not.

[Saccopoo]

Chest Rockwell.

How much can you bench?

[BigChiefFan]

You know who I'd like to replace DeVito with?

DeVito.

Jesus...

I know. Heaven forbid we actually get younger at the positional depth. How ever will we replace his career sack number of 5 in an 8 year career?

Thornton is a solid player great at stopping the run and is 27 years old and won't cost a fortune. I'd frankly rather not sign older back ups at millions of dollar contracts. Spending millions on players on the downhill, who are back ups, keeps us from spending elsewhere and ties us to descending players. The idea is to sign players that actually last the duration of their contracts. Devito has been solid, but he's on the down hill of his career.

Lighten up, Francis.

[Saccopoo]

This team lost by 7 pts to the Patriots in NE without Houston, Maclin, Charles, Ware, Gaines, LDT, Morse, O'shaughnessy, or March.

Losing Smith. Howard and Allen WILL NOT break us. Not when we will still have money to make some moves and 8 more draft picks to continue to build with. This team has a window beyond this year and there's no reason to panic and overpay for these guys. We will also be getting some comp picks for them next year.

Calm the **** down.

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[Chief Northman]

How much can you bench?

:clap:

"Let's go get some of that Saturday night beaver."

[Red Dawg]

I've heard it's because of your racist comments.

Racist comments? Hardly. Truthful comments is more like it.

[SAUTO]

Racist comments? Hardly. Truthful comments is more like it.

Yeah, ok.

[Saccopoo]

I know. Heaven forbid we actually get younger at the positional depth. How ever will we replace his career sack number of 5 in an 8 year career?

Thornton is a solid player great at stopping the run and is 27 years old and won't cost a fortune. I'd frankly rather not sign older back ups at millions of dollar contracts. Spending millions on players on the downhill, who are back ups, keeps us from spending elsewhere.

Lighten up, Francis.

Holy tits!!!!!!

We're already younger at the position with Williams and Roches. Why start fucking with synergy and let one of the best run plugging 34 DE's in the entire NFL go when we can let him go and get some fucking slap dick off the street who will have to learn the whole system from scratch and not provide 2% of what DeVito is going to give you.

Yeah, I pretty fucking lightened up after that brilliant goddamn hot, sticky mess you just threw the defense into!

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You just made the list.

[BigChiefFan]

Holy tits!!!!!!

We're already younger at the position with Williams and Roches. Why start ****ing with synergy and let one of the best run plugging 34 DE's in the entire NFL go when we can let him go and get some ****ing slap dick off the street who will have to learn the whole system from scratch and not provide 2% of what DeVito is going to give you.

Yeah, I pretty ****ing lightened up after that brilliant goddamn hot, sticky mess you just threw the defense into!

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You just made the list.
In the words of Neil Young, it's doesn't mean that much to me, to mean that much to you.

It's a god damn discussion board. Heaven forbid somebody actually discuss bringing football discussion to the board, that you don't approve of.

Take your holier than though, ego driven, penis envy and blow me. Your takes aren't the only ones that are worthy of discussion.

[Perineum Ripper]

Holy tits!!!!!!

We're already younger at the position with Williams and Roches. Why start fucking with synergy and let one of the best run plugging 34 DE's in the entire NFL go when we can let him go and get some fucking slap dick off the street who will have to learn the whole system from scratch and not provide 2% of what DeVito is going to give you.

Yeah, I pretty fucking lightened up after that brilliant goddamn hot, sticky mess you just threw the defense into!

https://c3409409.ssl.cf0.rackcdn.com/biggreenegg.vanillaforums.com/editor/q4/twrgutkki35i.gif

You just made the list.

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[the Talking Can]

i have a - probably irrational - attraction to letting smith and howard walk for two 3rd round compensatory picks next year, plus saving us a couple of contracts in a premium pricing environment (i don't want to pay either player a 'raiders have ass loads of cash' bonus)

but of course that increases pressure on the draft, we'd need to pick the right DT in the first (someone who is not only good, but good right away)

and why not raise the degree of difficulty by drafting a QB in the first (Lynch dreams, and seriously, now is exactly when we can 'afford' to take a QB)...lol, then what?

accept that our success next year largely rests on key players remaining healthy - charles, houston, and maclin - and several young players making leaps: gaines, ford, conley, march, ldt, wilson, ware (no sophomore slump), and some practice squad dt moving from nothing to decent rotation player....statistically dicey, to be sure

so basically leveraging this year to extend our success over time (which means not doing 'everything' to win next year, sort of but in a well-meaning, not negligent or incompetent way)

so, in short

2016
1. let howard and smith go
2. graciously accept two 3rd round compensatory picks in 2017
3. plus don't give away shit tons of money in a seller's market
4. plus maybe get poe signed
5. draft Lynch in round 1 (spare me any protestations)
6. round 2 take best dt/cb available
7. cross fingers for healthy season
8. basically shop dollar store fa for reclamation/backup players

2017
1. celebrate having lynch on bench learning without pressure and thrilling fans in preseason...know the most important position on the team is accounted for, for a decade
2. use 2 extra thirds to have a blowout draft - dorsey finds us 3 impact players in top 100-ish picks
3. use money from responsibly managed cap to get another maclin type impact FA at a position of need
4. keep winning

[Mr_Tomahawk]

^ I like this ^

[Saccopoo]

In the words of Neil Young, it's doesn't mean that much to me, to mean that much to you.

It's a god damn discussion board. Heaven forbid somebody actually discuss bringing football discussion to the board, that you don't approve of.

Take your holier than though, ego driven, penis envy and blow me. Your takes aren't the only ones that are worthy of discussion.

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DeVito isn't going to cost much if any more than anyone else out there. Plus he's already said he loves the team, Dorsey, etc. He knows the system (as I've already mentioned) and synergy is incredibly important in the success of a football team. He's a locker room leader that plays hard and is very effective in what he does.

Not re-signing DeVito would be a major screw up. IMO.

[The Franchise]

i have a - probably irrational - attraction to letting smith and howard walk for two 3rd round compensatory picks next year, plus saving us a couple of contracts in a premium pricing environment (i don't want to pay either player a 'raiders have ass loads of cash' bonus)

but of course that increases pressure on the draft, we'd need to pick the right DT in the first (someone who is not only good, but good right away)

and why not raise the degree of difficulty by drafting a QB in the first (Lynch dreams, and seriously, now is exactly when we can 'afford' to take a QB)...lol, then what?

accept that our success next year largely rests on key players remaining healthy - charles, houston, and maclin - and several young players making leaps: gaines, ford, conley, march, ldt, wilson, ware (no sophomore slump), and some practice squad dt moving from nothing to decent rotation player....statistically dicey, to be sure

so basically leveraging this year to extend our success over time (which means not doing 'everything' to win next year, sort of but in a well-meaning, not negligent or incompetent way)

so, in short

2016
1. let howard and smith go
2. graciously accept two 3rd round compensatory picks in 2017
3. plus don't give away shit tons of money in a seller's market
4. plus maybe get poe signed
5. draft Lynch in round 1 (spare me any protestations)
6. round 2 take best dt/cb available
7. cross fingers for healthy season
8. basically shop dollar store fa for reclamation/backup players

2017
1. celebrate having lynch on bench learning without pressure and thrilling fans in preseason...know the most important position on the team is accounted for, for a decade
2. use 2 extra thirds to have a blowout draft - dorsey finds us 3 impact players in top 100-ish picks
3. use money from responsibly managed cap to get another maclin type impact FA at a position of need
4. keep winning

All of this.

[Saccopoo]

All of this.

I don't know...I read somewhere that Lynch sucks.

[rico]

i have a - probably irrational - attraction to letting smith and howard walk for two 3rd round compensatory picks next year, plus saving us a couple of contracts in a premium pricing environment (i don't want to pay either player a 'raiders have ass loads of cash' bonus)

but of course that increases pressure on the draft, we'd need to pick the right DT in the first (someone who is not only good, but good right away)

and why not raise the degree of difficulty by drafting a QB in the first (Lynch dreams, and seriously, now is exactly when we can 'afford' to take a QB)...lol, then what?

accept that our success next year largely rests on key players remaining healthy - charles, houston, and maclin - and several young players making leaps: gaines, ford, conley, march, ldt, wilson, ware (no sophomore slump), and some practice squad dt moving from nothing to decent rotation player....statistically dicey, to be sure

so basically leveraging this year to extend our success over time (which means not doing 'everything' to win next year, sort of but in a well-meaning, not negligent or incompetent way)

so, in short

2016
1. let howard and smith go
2. graciously accept two 3rd round compensatory picks in 2017
3. plus don't give away shit tons of money in a seller's market
4. plus maybe get poe signed
5. draft Lynch in round 1 (spare me any protestations)
6. round 2 take best dt/cb available
7. cross fingers for healthy season
8. basically shop dollar store fa for reclamation/backup players

2017
1. celebrate having lynch on bench learning without pressure and thrilling fans in preseason...know the most important position on the team is accounted for, for a decade
2. use 2 extra thirds to have a blowout draft - dorsey finds us 3 impact players in top 100-ish picks
3. use money from responsibly managed cap to get another maclin type impact FA at a position of need
4. keep winning

Yup.

[BigChiefFan]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/56d156f6db3f5e25e0de904491fd9095/tumblr_n4h5iagvoW1smcbm7o1_500.gif

DeVito isn't going to cost much if any more than anyone else out there. Plus he's already said he loves the team, Dorsey, etc. He knows the system (as I've already mentioned) and synergy is incredibly important in the success of a football team. He's a locker room leader that plays hard and is very effective in what he does.

Not re-signing DeVito would be a major screw up. IMO.

Fair enough, bro. I just wanted to discuss some football without getting into a pissing match and I think we both calmed down, so I can respect your opinion on the matter, I just don't necessarily agree with it.

[the Talking Can]

in the interest of full disclosure, i'm pretty high right now...just want dorsey to know that before he goes all in w/ me

[JoeyChuckles]

Some guy on Reddit hearing Thomas for Eric Reid. He doesn't cite a source though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KansasCityChiefs/comments/49g2at/danthony_thomas_49ers_trade/

[Hoover]

i have a - probably irrational - attraction to letting smith and howard walk for two 3rd round compensatory picks next year, plus saving us a couple of contracts in a premium pricing environment (i don't want to pay either player a 'raiders have ass loads of cash' bonus)

but of course that increases pressure on the draft, we'd need to pick the right DT in the first (someone who is not only good, but good right away)

and why not raise the degree of difficulty by drafting a QB in the first (Lynch dreams, and seriously, now is exactly when we can 'afford' to take a QB)...lol, then what?

accept that our success next year largely rests on key players remaining healthy - charles, houston, and maclin - and several young players making leaps: gaines, ford, conley, march, ldt, wilson, ware (no sophomore slump), and some practice squad dt moving from nothing to decent rotation player....statistically dicey, to be sure

so basically leveraging this year to extend our success over time (which means not doing 'everything' to win next year, sort of but in a well-meaning, not negligent or incompetent way)

so, in short

2016
1. let howard and smith go
2. graciously accept two 3rd round compensatory picks in 2017
3. plus don't give away shit tons of money in a seller's market
4. plus maybe get poe signed
5. draft Lynch in round 1 (spare me any protestations)
6. round 2 take best dt/cb available
7. cross fingers for healthy season
8. basically shop dollar store fa for reclamation/backup players

2017
1. celebrate having lynch on bench learning without pressure and thrilling fans in preseason...know the most important position on the team is accounted for, for a decade
2. use 2 extra thirds to have a blowout draft - dorsey finds us 3 impact players in top 100-ish picks
3. use money from responsibly managed cap to get another maclin type impact FA at a position of need
4. keep winning

This is exactly what good teams do.

You can't be throwing huge contracts around year in and year out. Keep the critical peices, replenish in the draft, look for good deals.

[staylor26]

Some guy on Reddit hearing Thomas for Eric Reid. He doesn't cite a source though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KansasCityChiefs/comments/49g2at/danthony_thomas_49ers_trade/

That would be fucking awesome, but no way that's the trade unless we're throwing in a pick or something.

Eric Reid would be an excellent #3 S.

[Hoover]

Some guy on Reddit hearing Thomas for Eric Reid. He doesn't cite a source though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KansasCityChiefs/comments/49g2at/danthony_thomas_49ers_trade/
If we can get Eric Reid for DAT, I wouldn't think twice.

Actually seems to benefit both teams, but adding a 24 year old talented FS is something I would do in a heart beat.

[Discuss Thrower]

Some guy on Reddit hearing Thomas for Eric Reid. He doesn't cite a source though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KansasCityChiefs/comments/49g2at/danthony_thomas_49ers_trade/

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[DaneMcCloud]

Eric Reid would thrive under Emmitt

[O.city]

For Eric reid?

No chance 9ers do that without us throwing something else in.

Give them DAT and our 5th for Reid, make it a 3rd for bowman too

[The Bad Guy]

For Eric reid?

No chance 9ers do that without us throwing something else in.

Give them DAT and our 5th for Reid, make it a 3rd for bowman too

It's a Chip Kelly player - it wouldn't be shocking.

[thabear04]

For Eric reid?

No chance 9ers do that without us throwing something else in.

Give them DAT and our 5th for Reid, make it a 3rd for bowman too

What about a 6th for Lynch too.

[The Bad Guy]

i have a - probably irrational - attraction to letting smith and howard walk for two 3rd round compensatory picks next year, plus saving us a couple of contracts in a premium pricing environment (i don't want to pay either player a 'raiders have ass loads of cash' bonus)

but of course that increases pressure on the draft, we'd need to pick the right DT in the first (someone who is not only good, but good right away)

and why not raise the degree of difficulty by drafting a QB in the first (Lynch dreams, and seriously, now is exactly when we can 'afford' to take a QB)...lol, then what?

accept that our success next year largely rests on key players remaining healthy - charles, houston, and maclin - and several young players making leaps: gaines, ford, conley, march, ldt, wilson, ware (no sophomore slump), and some practice squad dt moving from nothing to decent rotation player....statistically dicey, to be sure

so basically leveraging this year to extend our success over time (which means not doing 'everything' to win next year, sort of but in a well-meaning, not negligent or incompetent way)

so, in short

2016
1. let howard and smith go
2. graciously accept two 3rd round compensatory picks in 2017
3. plus don't give away shit tons of money in a seller's market
4. plus maybe get poe signed
5. draft Lynch in round 1 (spare me any protestations)
6. round 2 take best dt/cb available
7. cross fingers for healthy season
8. basically shop dollar store fa for reclamation/backup players

2017
1. celebrate having lynch on bench learning without pressure and thrilling fans in preseason...know the most important position on the team is accounted for, for a decade
2. use 2 extra thirds to have a blowout draft - dorsey finds us 3 impact players in top 100-ish picks
3. use money from responsibly managed cap to get another maclin type impact FA at a position of need
4. keep winning

Just me personally, but I would rather sign RGIII and use the 28 for BPA. That might be Lynch, but I think Griffin could be salvaged.

[RunKC]

Just me personally, but I would rather sign RGIII and use the 28 for BPA. That might be Lynch, but I think Griffin could be salvaged.

I think Andy and his system would be the best thing for him. He may be cocky but the Skins were a disaster at the top when he was starting.

[mcaj22]

Dorsey: Hello Trent
Baalke: Hi John
Dorsey: We will trade our guy that's near retirement for your guy that's near retirement
Baalke: Deal!

[O.city]

It's a Chip Kelly player - it wouldn't be shocking.

I didn't realize Reid has had concussion issues as well.

I'd do it.

I'd like to see them sign howard too though.

Reid
Berry
Branch
Parker

Pretty good set of safeties. Still need corners though

[RealSNR]

The Chiefs are the ones who have the most potential to come out on top in that deal, but it will of course come down to which player cleans out his vagina and which one doesn't.

[DaneMcCloud]

The Chiefs are the ones who have the most potential to come out on top in that deal, but it will of course come down to which player cleans out his vagina and which one doesn't.

Smegma is real

[thabear04]

Wonder if the trade a done deal Dat just posted this

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/12446080_744731792293217_1719991594_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIwMTE0ODY1OTc1NDk0NjczMA%3D%3D.2

SEE MY FOCUS AIN'T ON THEM

[RunKC]

He just posted this on Twitter. Did his neck get fucked up?

CANT BREAK MY NECK FOR EVERYBODY#RUNDAT

[DaneMcCloud]

He just posted this on Twitter. Did his neck get fucked up?

CANT BREAK MY NECK FOR EVERYBODY#RUNDAT

I don't care if he's a Chief or a 49er or a fucking Raider.

The kid is a moron.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Ok I'll bite...wtf does that mean?

[Chief Northman]

At least you can make sense of the all caps that Tamba tweets in. This dude is cryptic as fuck and must have been tutored by Cam Newton.

[Chief Roundup]

If we are trying to win a SB in the next couple of years with all of the FA we have on the defensive side of the ball the talk of drafting a QB at 28 doesn't make the most sense. If we are talking about making the team better for the future then of course if there is a chance at a franchise type QB you take it.
I imagine we will be taking the best DL, CB, LB or OL that is available with our first pick.

[splatbass]

Am I the only one that has a bad feeling about the way shit has gone so far?

You say this every year.

[MotherfuckerJones]

You say this every year.

Like clockwork

[kcchiefsus]

We keep setting ourselves to only be competitive every other year. 2013 and 2015 were competitive. 2014 was a dud, and although it's way early I wouldn't expect to be too competitive this year. We don't have the caliber of quarterback that can keep us on top when the rest of the roster is not as solid.

I don't see how we field a more talented roster this season than the one we had in 2015.

[staylor26]

We keep setting ourselves to only be competitive every other year. 2013 and 2015 were competitive. 2014 was a dud, and although it's way early I wouldn't expect to be too competitive this year. We don't have the caliber of quarterback that can keep us on top when the rest of the roster is not as solid.

I don't see how we field a more talented roster this season than the one we had in 2015.

How about we get back our best offensive and defensive players in Houston and Charles? That's a start.

The Chiefs were a playoff caliber team in 2014. We missed out by one game.

We're at worst going to lose Smith, Howard, and Allen. That's not the end of the world.

:facepalm:

[Saccopoo]

How about we get back our best offensive and defensive players in Houston and Charles? That's a start.

The Chiefs were a playoff caliber team in 2014. We missed out by one game.

We're at worst going to lose Smith, Howard, and Allen. That's not the end of the world.

:facepalm:

We missed out by one idiotic fumble.

Should be a better team next season.

[mcaj22]

Chiefs will definitely be a better team next year, let them make their moves. Wait until FA is over before you claim that. If they start bringing in turds like Joe Mays and Vance Walker again, then maybe they might be worse, but if they make some savvy moves for young players like Eric Reid and sign some younger guys on prove it deals, they will easily be a better team.

like you wouldn't be happy with Eric Reid/Prince Amukamara/Nick Perry or some FA haul like that. I would be.

[Coochie liquor]

I love how nervous all my little Cheap friends have become...

You guys are as jumpy as a pigeon with his pecker dragging a hot tin roof waiting for the pillaging to start....

This place will be awesome the next few days, Come get Rod Streater

Gold knows we're scared of what Chokeland is going to do. Will they win 5 or 6 games this year? Sounds like a division winner to me!!

[Red Dawg]

Good luck to all our FA's. Sorry our front office failed all of you at the same time.

[kcchiefsus]

Good luck to all our FA's. Sorry our front office failed all of you at the same time.

Well we saw players like Mike Daniels for the Packers getting signed to new contracts during the season while we leave Jaye Howard for the offseason. I realize it takes two to tango but there is something wrong with this many talented players being allowed to hit free agency in one offseason.

[Red Dawg]

Well we saw players like Mike Daniels for the Packers getting signed to new contracts during the season while we leave Jaye Howard for the offseason. I realize it takes two to tango but there is something wrong with this many talented players being allowed to hit free agency in one offseason.

I agree 100%. I don't understand not going all in when we were a few plays away from the div title and the AFC Champ game. If it wasn't for bad injuries to several starters we may have made the SB.

The team was close and now is losing at least 3 really good players that all start.

[kcchiefsus]

I'd hate to see what happens if Eric Fisher continues to progress and cements himself as a top 10 left tackle, and then him and Dontari Poe are both free agents next offseason. Whatever happened to being proactive with contract extensions before everyone reached free agency?

[RunKC]

I agree 100%. I don't understand not going all in when we were a few plays away from the div title and the AFC Champ game. If it wasn't for bad injuries to several starters we may have made the SB.

The team was close and now is losing at least 3 really good players that all start.

Sometimes there's nothing any GM can do. The Chiefs discussed contracts with these guys, but if you are Howard/Smith why not get more $$ in what will be your first (and last) big contract of your career? Both these guys have played for cheap deals so I don't blame them one bit for getting a big raise if someone is gonna give it to them, like we saw with Rodney Hudson last year.

The Chiefs have paid Maclin and Berry elite money, and also gave Kelce an elite contract. It sucks but we can't give everyone an elite contract.

And it's not just the Chiefs that are having this problem. Denver is gonna lose several good players including their young QB and best DL.

[WhawhaWhat]

Well we saw players like Mike Daniels for the Packers getting signed to new contracts during the season while we leave Jaye Howard for the offseason. I realize it takes two to tango but there is something wrong with this many talented players being allowed to hit free agency in one offseason.

Jaye Howard has a projected market value of 5 yrs, $54.47 mil (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/jaye-howard/market-value/), would you have offered him that deal? How far above that would you be willing to go if one or two other teams were bidding as well?

Same thing with Sean Smith, he's projected at 5 yrs, $40.21 mil (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/sean-smith/market-value/). Not saying that either guy is definitely getting that but that's certainly what their agents will be going for.

[CapsLockKey]

Chiefs missed the playoffs in 2014 more due to injuries than anything they did our didn't do in FA.

[RunKC]

It basically comes down to this:

Berry/Kelce/Poe Or Smith/Howard?

[SAUTO]

Jaye Howard has a projected market value of 5 yrs, $54.47 mil (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/jaye-howard/market-value/), would you have offered him that deal? How far above that would you be willing to go if one or two other teams were bidding as well?

Same thing with Sean Smith, he's projected at 5 yrs, $40.21 mil (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/sean-smith/market-value/). Not saying that either guy is definitely getting that but that's certainly what their agents will be going for.

8 million a year for smith?

im in on that.