Tesla Model 3 reveal.

[aturnis]

Tesla is revealing their $35,000 Model 3 tonight in California.

Anyone reserving one?

Check out the live reveal here https://model3.tesla.com/ . Starts at 8:30PT

[lewdog]

In for leasing options!

[BWillie]

I heard they are actually gigantic pieces of shit? I really don't know. Please convince me why I should buy one, over any other 35,000 car.

[eDave]

I heard they are actually gigantic pieces of shit? I really don't know. Please convince me why I should buy one, over any other 35,000 car.

You heard something about a car that no one has bought yet? LMAO

[BWillie]

You heard something about a car that no one has bought yet? LMAO

Teslas. In general. I don't believe it one way or another. People shit on stuff that is really nice. And people like to pimp shit that sucks.

[DaneMcCloud]

I heard they are actually gigantic pieces of shit? I really don't know. Please convince me why I should buy one, over any other 35,000 car.

Don't go changin'

[DaneMcCloud]

Teslas. In general. I don't believe it one way or another. People shit on stuff that is really nice. And people like to pimp shit that sucks.

The only people that I know of that "shit on stuff that is nice" are in this forum.

I've never heard anyone say "my Bentley sucks" or "my E500 sucks" or "my Ferrari sucks".

[BWillie]

The only people that I know of that "shit on stuff that is nice" are in this forum.

I've never heard anyone say "my Bentley sucks" or "my E500 sucks" or "my Ferrari sucks".

Yeah, like Bill Self and historical 12-year achievements. LMAO

[BWillie]

The only people that I know of that "shit on stuff that is nice" are in this forum.

I've never heard anyone say "my Bentley sucks" or "my E500 sucks" or "my Ferrari sucks".

I mean, it costs 10 times more, that means it has to be 10 times better. Clearly.

[eDave]

Yeah, like Bill Self and historical 12-year achievements. LMAO

Self = Manning.

Can't do shit when it matters.

[DaneMcCloud]

I mean, it costs 10 times more, that means it has to be 10 times better. Clearly.

You know, you've been showing your ass to this forum since you joined and as I've stated several times, you're the dumbest person I've ever encountered who has a college degree.

Kudos, once again.

[eDave]

You know, you've been showing your ass to this forum since you joined and as I've stated several times, you're the dumbest person I've ever encountered who has a college degree.

Kudos, once again.

This right here is why three people don't care for you.

[Scorp]

Don't feed the McDouche!

[jd1020]

Teslas. In general. I don't believe it one way or another. People shit on stuff that is really nice. And people like to pimp shit that sucks.

I read an article saying that ConsumerReports pulled their recommendation for the S after reliability issues. I guess they initially gave the car a score of 103 and then dropped it to 11.

[BWillie]

You know, you've been showing your ass to this forum since you joined and as I've stated several times, you're the dumbest person I've ever encountered who has a college degree.

Kudos, once again.

I be rollin' around in my 06 Prius with clear coat coming off on the front hood. Scratches and dings aye over it. Tinted windows rolled hayfe down blaring dat sports radio. Bitches turn they headz when I pull up, knowin I be savin the environments. Jealous of tha 43 em pee gees & the practicalityyyyy

[DaneMcCloud]

Don't feed the McDouche!

Who the fuck are you?

[BWillie]

You know, you've been showing your ass to this forum since you joined and as I've stated several times, you're the dumbest person I've ever encountered who has a college degree.

Kudos, once again.

Yeyah, yu ahre rite. I nevar used my dagree anyweigh. Shoulda just qwit dat shit and moved to holleeewoodz chasin drames

[Scorp]

Who the **** are you?

I am not a McDouche, praise Jesus! :D

[pr_capone]

My little brother was among the first to sign up and put the deposit down in Denver. Perks of working there!

[DaneMcCloud]

I be rollin' around in my 06 Prius with clear coat coming off on the front hood. Scratches and dings aye over it. Tinted windows rolled hayfe down blaring dat sports radio. Bitches turn they headz when I pull up, knowin I be savin the environments. Jealous of tha 43 em pee gees & the practicalityyyyy

There's nothing wrong with that at all.

But when you slam a car you've never driven, then follow it up with a hollow statement, if make you look foolish.

And FYI, there's a big fucking difference between a Range Rover and a Hyundai.

[BWillie]

There's nothing wrong with that at all.

But when you slam a car you've never driven, then follow it up with a hollow statement, if make you look foolish.

And FYI, there's a big ****ing difference between a Range Rover and a Hyundai.

Kay, don't really want to defend myself at you, but you constantly produce false drivel. I did not slam the vehicle. I indicated that I have heard people say they are pieces of shit. I even acknowledged that I don't necessarily believe that, because people say all types of goofy shit. And, I asked people to tell convince me why the Tesla is better than other vehicles of it's class.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I heard they are actually gigantic pieces of shit? I really don't know. Please convince me why I should buy one, over any other 35,000 car.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...tesla-model-s/

By all accounts, Tesla has been a major success. It's sold nearly 100,000 units of its Model S sedan, has a Model X SUV on the way, and despite overblown reports that it loses money on every car sold, it shows no signs of going bankrupt any time soon. In the world of automotive startups, no other company has come close to that kind of success.

But one of the biggest criticisms Tesla has faced is about its long-term reliability. Consumer Reports even went so far as to remove the Model S from its list of recommended vehicles. According to a new analysis of survey data from Plug-In America, it may even be worse than we thought. Two-thirds of early Model S drivetrains may need to be replaced before they hit 60,000 miles.

Green Car Reports conducted the analysis of the survey data, looking into long-term reliability of a total of 327 Model S sedans. Its conclusion is that 2012 and 2013 models face a serious reliability risk.

Tesla offers an eight-year warranty that will cover these issues, but it's concerning to see early models with failure rates nearly ten-times that of later models.

When asked for comment, Tesla didn't answer any direct questions but did respond with a general comment about the company's increasing reliability and strong customer satisfaction.

Check out Green Car Reports' analysis here

[eDave]

I be rollin' around in my 06 Prius with clear coat coming off on the front hood. Scratches and dings aye over it. Tinted windows rolled hayfe down blaring dat sports radio. Bitches turn they headz when I pull up, knowin I be savin the environments. Jealous of tha 43 em pee gees & the practicalityyyyy

Prius? I always thought you were a dude for some reason.

[BWillie]

Prius? I always thought you were a dude for some reason.

Hey asshole, I'll race you. Except make sure there are no hills. And you can't have more than a quart of gas. And it can't be cold out. I don't like it when it's cold out. I one time beat that car with the god damned gerbils in it. They encountered a blocked right lane, still counts. The point is, well, shit. I guess if I get some vinyl wrap lightening bolts to put on the side of it, that might help me intimidate people when I rev it at stop lights, and they hear the battery buzzing.

[eDave]

Hey asshole, I'll race you. Except make sure there are no hills. And you can't have more than a quart of gas. And it can't be cold out. I don't like it when it's cold out. I one time beat that car with the god damned gerbils in it. They encountered a blocked right lane, still counts. The point is, well, shit. I guess if I get some vinyl wrap lightening bolts to put on the side of it, that might help me intimidate people when I rev it at stop lights, and they hear the battery buzzing.

LMAO Thanks for being a good sport, Sport.

[DaFace]

Is the feed skipping all over the place for anyone else or just me?

[Strongside]

Feed was skipping around for me, seems better now.

[Strongside]

That is a very fair price.

[eDave]

That is a very fair price.

Yup. Same price as my Altima.

[BWillie]

Is the feed skipping all over the place for anyone else or just me?

Hey mod-king. How much do I have to donate to have a bolded name.

Thank you
I'll listen off air

[Hoover]

I've got this one (http://tesla.radioflyer.com/build.html) on order. Can't wait!

[Strongside]

The front end is kind of odd looking with no grille. Other than that it's pretty cool looking. Sort of reminds me of an M3.

[DaneMcCloud]

Kay, don't really want to defend myself at you, but you constantly produce false drivel. I did not slam the vehicle. I indicated that I have heard people say they are pieces of shit. I even acknowledged that I don't necessarily believe that, because people say all types of goofy shit. And, I asked people to tell convince me why the Tesla is better than other vehicles of it's class.
More talk out of your ass.

Good grief, Beau Willie

[eDave]

I've got this one (http://tesla.radioflyer.com/build.html) on order. Can't wait!

There you go BWillie. Upgrade time.

[DaneMcCloud]

There you go BWillie. Upgrade time.

$499 is out of his price range

[DaFace]

Hey mod-king. How much do I have to donate to have a bolded name.

Thank you
I'll listen off air

I have nothing to do with that.

[DaFace]

I've they catch up by the next time I need a car, this will be a very serious consideration.

[BWillie]

$499 is out of his price range
Nuh. I just dont like paying interest on a depreciating asset while having to pay for full covg. I was lucky growing up. My parents were wealthy for Midwest standards so I was spoiled and the first two vehicles I had when I was in my teens were nicer than any vehicle Ive had since. I guess if I was single maybe I would buy a 40k car, but if ur married or in an LTR, or just GNFs then I dont see the appeal. But to each their own. With that said, Teslas have a rather unique appearance. Purty cars

[aturnis]

The front end will have to grow on me, but it looks a lot like my fiances Volvo.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160401/041654735825ddab80e2b2edb88bb6f4.jpg
(Model 3)

Very nice car. Makes Chevy's "Tesla Killer" Bolt(below) look like a cavalier type economy class vehicle.

http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/chevrolet-bolt-ev-concept.jpg
(Chevy Bolt)

[Dante84]

The front end will have to grow on me, but it looks a lot like my fiances Volvo.

Very nice car. Makes Chevy's "Tesla Killer" Bolt look like a cavalier class vehicle.

http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/chevrolet-bolt-ev-concept.jpg

That's cool they are using the Chevy logo on their car too.

Hope they don't get sued.

[eDave]

What in the hell is that? What kind of no confidence, pussified loser drives that thing?

I wonder if the drivers of those thing realize the world is laughing at them. No class.

[DaFace]

The matte black is pretty damn sweet.

https://i.imgur.com/b5mSmd9.jpg

[eDave]

Huh. I was too lazy to sign up to view the vid. That's pretty nice. Nice lines. Nice profile.

Considering.

[aturnis]

That's cool they are using the Chevy logo on their car too.

Hope they don't get sued.
That ugly thing is the aforementioned price of shit, overpriced Chevy.

This is the Tesla Model 3

http://static2.techinsider.io/image/56b3c26a2e5265b7008b4f7a-2563-1922/rtr2s40f.jpg

[eDave]

That ugly thing is the aforementioned price of shit, overpriced Chevy.

This is the Tesla Model 3

http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/16/13

Thanks. I've been hoodwinked. Still nice but too 'round' for my tastes.

I'll just upgrade my Altima. Best car I've ever had. I'm on my second, coming over from Honda.

[DaneMcCloud]

Pretty bad ass.

[eDave]

Pretty bad ass.

Yea. I think I looked at the wrong pics. His wasn't working at the time.

That looks great. Back on the bandwagon I go.

That car leans back and leans forward at the same time. Pretty cool profile.

[DaFace]

The front to back glass is an interesting choice. I'd hate to find out what it costs to replace it after you take a rock to the windshield though.

http://i.imgur.com/PpTbRiK.png

[Sorter]

The matte black is pretty damn sweet.

https://i.imgur.com/b5mSmd9.jpg

http://assets.sunsafaris.com/sunsafaris/safari/south-africa/kruger-national-park/klaserie-private-nature-reserve/kitara-camp/wide//leopard-lick-lips.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/V2AkNZZi9ygbm/giphy.gif

[eDave]

The front to back glass is an interesting choice. I'd hate to find out what it costs to replace it after you take a rock to the windshield though.

http://i.imgur.com/PpTbRiK.png

$2/mo on my policy.

[eDave]

http://assets.sunsafaris.com/sunsafaris/safari/south-africa/kruger-national-park/klaserie-private-nature-reserve/kitara-camp/wide//leopard-lick-lips.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/V2AkNZZi9ygbm/giphy.gif

Wait. Is that the 3 or another Chevy? I'm cornfused.

[aturnis]

The 3. The Chevy looks like an economy car.

[Sorter]

Wait. Is that the 3 or another Chevy? I'm cornfused.

I talked to my good friend Gary Sinise and he used his C.S.I. program on his computer to enhance the photo for you.

http://i.imgur.com/LJZySWu.jpg

[eDave]

I talked to my good friend Gary Sinise and he used his C.S.I. program on his computer to enhance the photo for you.

http://i.imgur.com/LJZySWu.jpg

LOL. I know man. But I was commenting on that and Arturis commented, seemingly, that that was a Chevy and hoped they didn't get sued.

But I acknowledge that I am not a smart man.

[DaneMcCloud]

I talked to my good friend Gary Sinise and he used his C.S.I. program on his computer to enhance the photo for you

I was at a party recently in which his name came up. A superstar producer said loudly to everyone in attendance "No one in the history of Hollywood has done more with such little talent".

ROFL

I about spit up my Soju

[Dante84]

I was at a party recently in which his name came up. A superstar producer said loudly to everyone in attendance "No one in the history of Hollywood has done more with such little talent".

ROFL

I about spit up my Soju

Yeah, I actually think someone leaked a video from that party!

<iframe width="640" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vEzBJsWtIqQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Sorter]

I was at a party recently in which his name came up. A superstar producer said loudly to everyone in attendance "No one in the history of Hollywood has done more with such little talent".

ROFL

I about spit up my Soju

LMAO

[aturnis]

Went over 130,000 reservations about 15 minutes ago. Nearly to 135k.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160401/85e09bdaa8f125439fabfe28c7f6bcaa.jpg

[ChiefRocka]

Very good looking car but I wouldn't go as far to say its a BJ getter.

[Deberg_1990]

Looks great. Gonna check them out when I'm in the market for a new car next year.

[Simply Red]

I don't like Tesla at all, but if you all do, that's great - It makes me happy that you like them.

[Simply Red]

This was my Christmas present to myself from December.

http://i.imgur.com/nHb8zSQ.jpg

[The Franchise]

The matte black is pretty damn sweet.

https://i.imgur.com/b5mSmd9.jpg

I'm hard.

[Dave Lane]

You know, you've been showing your ass to this forum since you joined and as I've stated several times, you're the dumbest person I've ever encountered who has a college degree.

Kudos, once again.

Have you been in DC recently? The competition there is intense and captivating as you observe stupid in its natural habitat.

[DJ's left nut]

Okay....nice enough looking but the Model S still just wrecks it.

Get that Model S down to the price of a comparably equipped E Class and I'd be all over it. The other problem is that the E Class and CLS depreciate like rocks so if you find one that's a year old, you can get them for a relatively reasonable price. The Model S, OTOH, doesn't seem to depreciate at all since Tesla maintains the secondhand market for them as well so there's no real 'free market' for them.

So with the S still unattainable and the price of a loaded Model 3 likely sitting in the 45K range when all is said and done, I think I'd just stick with the CLS550 and get a 4-door, 400 HP AWD supercar for my efforts.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Have you been in DC recently? The competition there is intense and captivating as you observe stupid in its natural habitat.

indeed

[Beef Supreme]

Very good looking car but I wouldn't go as far to say its a BJ getter.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--82gK4N6M--/877994348135444372.jpg

[stumppy]

This was my Christmas present to myself from December.

http://i.imgur.com/nHb8zSQ.jpg

Look at SR. Bitch slappin the Tesla around in its own thread.



VN car by the way.

[Al Bundy]

This was my Christmas present to myself from December.

http://i.imgur.com/nHb8zSQ.jpg

You seem nice.

[DaFace]

I don't like Tesla at all, but if you all do, that's great - It makes me happy that you like them.

Have you ridden in one?

[Simply Red]

Have you ridden in one?

no, I don't like their looks - I know all about their stats and specs, sound like a performer. But no, I'm not knocking them - just not my cup.

[Simply Red]

Look at SR. Bitch slappin the Tesla around in its own thread.



VN car by the way.

Thanks - but no - I wasn't trying to invade the thread, I just like talking cars and sharing - and tend to think everyone else is like me. LOL - I could type about cars all night w/ you all!

[Halfcan]

They were talking about it on the radio this morning. Said it would drive 215 miles without a charge.

So...say you want to take a little road trip with it-how do you charge the thing if you are away from home? And how long does it take to charge?

[Dante84]

They were talking about it on the radio this morning. Said it would drive 215 miles without a charge.

So...say you want to take a little road trip with it-how do you charge the thing if you are away from home? And how long does it take to charge?

If they're smart, they either partner with gas stations to install chargers, or begin setting up electric car charging stations all around the country.

Best to get it started now, before it all goes that way anyways.

[DaFace]

no, I don't like their looks - I know all about their stats and specs, sound like a performer. But no, I'm not knocking them - just not my cup.

I think your opinion would change if you had. Granted, I'm referring to a turbocharged Model S rather than a $35k Model 3, but I've never had this type of reaction in any other car:

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[Valiant]

Teslas. In general. I don't believe it one way or another. People shit on stuff that is really nice. And people like to pimp shit that sucks.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/27/teslas-p85d-is-the-best-car-consumer-reports-has-ever-tested.html

[Halfcan]

If they're smart, they either partner with gas stations to install chargers, or begin setting up electric car charging stations all around the country.

Best to get it started now, before it all goes that way anyways.

Great points.

So what will this do to your electric bill-charging a car all the time? I can't even run a freaking space heater without my bill going up $10.00 a day.

What will be the point of saving gas if it is adding $500.00 a month to your electric bill? Just curious, not planning on putting down a deposit.

[DJ's left nut]

They were talking about it on the radio this morning. Said it would drive 215 miles without a charge.

So...say you want to take a little road trip with it-how do you charge the thing if you are away from home? And how long does it take to charge?

Well the story goes that they have enough supercharger stations around the country that you can pretty much always get to one and that each fill will take about 30 minutes (piss and coffee break?) and be free of charge.

Personally, I'm just not there yet. Then again, any road trip I go on would involve the F-150 anyway; I prefer the room and the high seating position for long trips.

I just don't think this is a particularly attractive vehicle especially when compared to the Model S.

[DaFace]

They were talking about it on the radio this morning. Said it would drive 215 miles without a charge.

So...say you want to take a little road trip with it-how do you charge the thing if you are away from home? And how long does it take to charge?

If you live in certain areas of the country, it could definitely be a pain, but they've got a pretty good network in place. Here's the current map:

http://i.imgur.com/LEXVcZb.png

And here's the plan by the end of 2016:

http://i.imgur.com/6LjqbZr.png

And at least for the Model S and X, charging is free.

As for the time, it's roughly 30 minutes or so. It requires a different kind of mentality for the trip for sure - you have to be willing to get out and relax for a bit every few hours. If you're on the road constantly, I probably wouldn't recommend it, but if you spend 90% of your time just driving around town, it wouldn't be so bad for a trip here and there.

And the fact that you could drive from LA to NYC for free is certainly appealing.

[DaFace]

Great points.

So what will this do to your electric bill-charging a car all the time? I can't even run a freaking space heater without my bill going up $10.00 a day.

What will be the point of saving gas if it is adding $500.00 a month to your electric bill? Just curious, not planning on putting down a deposit.

Old article, but this suggests the cost is around $1.12 per gallon-equivalent to give you a (very) rough idea.

http://energy.gov/articles/egallon-how-much-cheaper-it-drive-electricity

[DJ's left nut]

I think your opinion would change if you had. Granted, I'm referring to a turbocharged Model S rather than a $35k Model 3, but I've never had this type of reaction in any other car:

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Let's not forget that he's goosing a $110K car right there.

The immediate torque is a thing to behold, don't get me wrong. But part of that experience is still the visceral thrill that comes from the roar of an engine. You give me $100K to spend on a car and a I can find one that'll put your ass in the back-seat just the same as the Model S and does it while also scaring woodland creatures in the adjacent counties.

[DaFace]

Let's not forget that he's goosing a $110K car right there.

The immediate torque is a thing to behold, don't get me wrong. But part of that experience is still the visceral thrill that comes from the roar of an engine. You give me $100K to spend on a car and a I can find one that'll put your ass in the back-seat just the same as the Model S and does it while also scaring woodland creatures in the adjacent counties.

I think this means you're old. :p

[DJ's left nut]

I think this means you're old. :p

Get'n there.

But still younger than the '67 in my garage that will shake pictures off the walls. I've refused to put EFI on it because you just can't get that cranky-ass loping idle that sounds like you put a bear in a washing machine from a fuel injected car.

But my daily is a turbo so I'm not completely archaic. And like I said, that CLS550 w/ the biturbo is just goddamn orgasmic. I've heard one of those in full throat and you just cannot beat that exhaust note.

Screw your goofy space car that sounds like my daughter's Power Wheel - I want that roar.

[DaFace]

Get'n there.

But still younger than the '67 in my garage that will shake pictures off the walls. I've refused to put EFI on it because you just can't get that cranky-ass loping idle that sounds like you put a bear in a washing machine from a fuel injected car.

But my daily is a turbo so I'm not completely archaic. And like I said, that CLS550 w/ the biturbo is just goddamn orgasmic. I've heard one of those in full throat and you just cannot beat that exhaust note.

Screw your goofy space car that sounds like my daughter's Power Wheel - I want that roar.

Yeah, I hear you. My point is really just that your preferences are driven by a time when those kinds of cars were common, and more noise was universally understood to indicate more power. I'm kind of in the middle (age 34) and had some of that growing up, but not a lot. My nieces who are in college right now just roll their eyes at the idea.

The transition to EVs won't happen overnight, but as time goes on I suspect that roaring engines will start to feel very antiquated.

Of course, that all assumes that we're still driving our own cars 10 years from now, which isn't necessarily a given either.

[Eleazar]

The front end will have to grow on me, but it looks a lot like my fiances Volvo.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160401/041654735825ddab80e2b2edb88bb6f4.jpg
(Model 3)

Very nice car. Makes Chevy's "Tesla Killer" Bolt(below) look like a cavalier type economy class vehicle.

http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/chevrolet-bolt-ev-concept.jpg
(Chevy Bolt)

Chevrolet just needs to give up. Everything they make is an uglier, inferior ripoff of something else that's on the market.

[DJ's left nut]

Also 34; my dad drove an Accord and my mom a Chevy Celebrity; 2 of the most boring POSs in the history of 80s manufacturing/design. I didn't really grow up around it at all.

Meanwhile, I've started my car around toddlers and even a 4 yr old's eyes light up when that thing comes to life.

Like I said, it just seems visceral to me, especially for guys. Sure, your nieces roll their eyes...they're nieces. They probably think fireworks and football are boring as well.

[Beef Supreme]

If you live in certain areas of the country, it could definitely be a pain, but they've got a pretty good network in place. Here's the current map:

http://i.imgur.com/LEXVcZb.png

And here's the plan by the end of 2016:

http://i.imgur.com/6LjqbZr.png

And at least for the Model S and X, charging is free.

As for the time, it's roughly 30 minutes or so. It requires a different kind of mentality for the trip for sure - you have to be willing to get out and relax for a bit every few hours. If you're on the road constantly, I probably wouldn't recommend it, but if you spend 90% of your time just driving around town, it wouldn't be so bad for a trip here and there.

And the fact that you could drive from LA to NYC for free is certainly appealing.

Just don't drive through western Kansas or Eastern Colorado.

[stevieray]

30 minutes? If there isn't a line.

[DaFace]

Just don't drive through western Kansas or Eastern Colorado.

That's probably a pretty good life pro tip in general. :)

[Halfcan]

Old article, but this suggests the cost is around $1.12 per gallon-equivalent to give you a (very) rough idea.

http://energy.gov/articles/egallon-how-much-cheaper-it-drive-electricity

I really like the free charging station thing. 30 minutes is much faster than what I had imagined.

[DaFace]

I really like the free charging station thing. 30 minutes is much faster than what I had imagined.

To clarify, that's only at the supercharger stations. I believe a normal home charger is a "charge it overnight" kind of deal.

[ThaVirus]

The matte black is pretty damn sweet.

https://i.imgur.com/b5mSmd9.jpg



I'm wet

[Frosty]

If you live in certain areas of the country, it could definitely be a pain, but they've got a pretty good network in place. Here's the current map:

http://i.imgur.com/LEXVcZb.png



Are those actual charging stations or does it include the homes of Tesla owners who are willing to let other owners use their chargers?

[InChiefsHeaven]

How much does it cost to charge the battery at a charging station?

[DaveNull]

As for the time, it's roughly 30 minutes or so. It requires a different kind of mentality for the trip for sure - you have to be willing to get out and relax for a bit every few hours. If you're on the road constantly, I probably wouldn't recommend it, but if you spend 90% of your time just driving around town, it wouldn't be so bad for a trip here and there.

And the fact that you could drive from LA to NYC for free is certainly appealing.


The idea of going to a Mizzou game, getting back in the fully charged whip and telling it to auto-pilot me back to KC is pretty compelling.

[DaFace]

How much does it cost to charge the battery at a charging station?

$0

[Indian Chief]

I would consider it in a couple of years, once a few people are able to put them through their paces. Based on that current map, I'm fine if I stay in NJ (which I don't want to do) and not in great shape if I go elsewhere. Two to three more years and that map will certainly fill out a bit.

[InChiefsHeaven]

$0

NO SHIT? How can they afford to do that? Tesla I mean. It's gotta cost a lot for them to offer that...are the charging stations just for Teslas? Like, you couldn't charge your hybrid there right?

Still, that's amazing that they don't charge. Shit, if you had one near your house, just bring a book and charge there for free...no sense adding it you your electric bill.

[DaFace]

NO SHIT? How can they afford to do that? Tesla I mean. It's gotta cost a lot for them to offer that...are the charging stations just for Teslas? Like, you couldn't charge your hybrid there right?

Still, that's amazing that they don't charge. Shit, if you had one near your house, just bring a book and charge there for free...no sense adding it you your electric bill.

It's not confirmed that it'll still be free for Model 3's technically, but yes, free for everything they have out there to date. Only works for Teslas.

And I believe they're mostly solar powered, so there's no variable costs after they have it all set up beyond maintenance.

The full vision is that you have SolarCity roof panels with a Tesla PowerWall at home to charge your Tesla car, so you would have zero incremental costs for power at all.

[Halfcan]

Those are the skinniest tires I have ever seen- you would bust a rim in a pothole driving around KC. They must have excellent suspension or it would be a bumpy ride around here.

[pr_capone]

Just don't drive through western Kansas or Eastern Colorado.

My brother has taken the Model S from Denver to Wichita several times now. No issues.

[bobbymitch]

Cute. Once they get 'em to the point that it has 7" ground clearance, can haul a 4x8 sheet of plywood and has a 400 mile range, I'll sit up an notice.

[DaneMcCloud]

Cute. Once they get 'em to the point that it has 7" ground clearance, can haul a 4x8 sheet of plywood and has a 400 mile range, I'll sit up an notice.

Once Tesla offers a mid-sized SUV, I'm in.

[saphojunkie]

I heard they are actually gigantic pieces of shit? I really don't know. Please convince me why I should buy one, over any other 35,000 car.

Teslas scored so high in consumer reports, they had to create a new scoring system, because they literally scored over 100.

The reason you buy a Model 3 over another $35k car is because you want a fully electric, sexy car that can seamlessly drive FOR YOU.

It's the future, baby.

Tesla sold 180,000 presales at $1,000 apiece in under 24 hours. $180 million in production capital. Elon Musk is doing shit in the business world that is game-changing.

[vailpass]

Teslas scored so high in consumer reports, they had to create a new scoring system, because they literally scored over 100.

The reason you buy a Model 3 over another $35k car is because you want a fully electric, sexy car that can seamlessly drive FOR YOU.

It's the future, baby.

Tesla sold 180,000 presales at $1,000 apiece in under 24 hours. $180 million in production capital. Elon Musk is doing shit in the business world that is game-changing.

I guess "create a new scoring system" is one way to describe it...


http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...tesla-model-s/


But one of the biggest criticisms Tesla has faced is about its long-term reliability. Consumer Reports even went so far as to remove the Model S from its list of recommended vehicles. According to a new analysis of survey data from Plug-In America, it may even be worse than we thought. Two-thirds of early Model S drivetrains may need to be replaced before they hit 60,000 miles.

Green Car Reports conducted the analysis of the survey data, looking into long-term reliability of a total of 327 Model S sedans. Its conclusion is that 2012 and 2013 models face a serious reliability risk.

Tesla offers an eight-year warranty that will cover these issues, but it's concerning to see early models with failure rates nearly ten-times that of later models.

When asked for comment, Tesla didn't answer any direct questions but did respond with a general comment about the company's increasing reliability and strong customer satisfaction.

Check out Green Car Reports' analysis here

[MagicHef]

Cute. Once they get 'em to the point that it has 7" ground clearance, can haul a 4x8 sheet of plywood and has a 400 mile range, I'll sit up an notice.

I'm going to buy an electric car once I can afford one, and I'll be able to because I don't need my car to do everything.

Currently I drive a 2 seat convertible that really only makes trips from home to work and back. I don't need it to haul stuff, or have a 400 mile range, or drive over nonsense, or seat 5 people because I have another vehicle that does all that stuff. It will be easily replaced by an electric car, and the only difference will be my gas bill.

[DaFace]

I guess "create a new scoring system" is one way to describe it...

Yeah, they're fantastic initially, but long-term reliability remains to be seen. Elon has claimed that the Consumer Reports revision was based on some of the earliest ones off the line and that the problems have been corrected, but only time will really tell.

[vailpass]

Yeah, they're fantastic initially, but long-term reliability remains to be seen. Elon has claimed that the Consumer Reports revision was based on some of the earliest ones off the line and that the problems have been corrected, but only time will really tell.

The guy has done nothing to make me believe he won't get those problems corrected. Until that time I remain on the wait-and-see train...

[eDave]

The guy has done nothing to make me believe he won't get those problems corrected. Until that time I remain on the wait-and-see train...

That dude landed a launch rocket. I think he'll get it right. The man deserves Gates money.

[aturnis]

Cute. Once they get 'em to the point that it has 7" ground clearance, can haul a 4x8 sheet of plywood and has a 400 mile range, I'll sit up an notice.
2020-2022 is my bet for a truck.

The cash being invested globally into battery tech should yield good progress on range.

[bigbucks24]

A couple of Sonic's are installing the EV charging stations.

[aturnis]

I guess "create a new scoring system" is one way to describe it...

Really deceiving shade consumer reports was throwing. It wasn't a secret that they had issues with the motors early on.

Not sure how it went down, wether it was another company building bad motors that drove Tesla to build their own, or if it was them building their own motors and going through growing pains of being a new electric motor manufacturer.

Anyway, they make their own motors now, have a great track record outside the first 25,000 Model S. Great customer service and warranties too.

Consumer Reports dug up old "dirt" on a startup who absorbed the costs of their mistakes to benefit the customer. I'm still trying to figure out who paid them to wield the ink hatchet on that one. Maybe it was a group pot and they all put in.

Anyway, b/c of hiccups like this, the company is now 80% vertically integrated, learn fast, move fast and aren't afraid to innovate. Love the entire company and what it stand for. America should've let the rest of the auto industry die. They haven't innovated in years and have never seemed particularly eager to. If they don't contribute back to society and progress, what good are they?
I guess "create a new scoring system" is one way to describe it...

[aturnis]

The real turning point will be when they can break into the fleet car market. Saw an article recently claiming electric cars might be cheaper than ICE within 6 years.

If that were to happen, I could see fleets going electric pretty quickly, especially electrical contractors. Combined with solar, it'd just make too much sense.

[kstater]

http://mashable.com/2016/04/01/tesla-model-3-preorder-musk/

[DaFace]

http://mashable.com/2016/04/01/tesla-model-3-preorder-musk/
I'm not understanding the point of that article. Is multiplication hard to understand?

[ChiliConCarnage]

NO SHIT? How can they afford to do that? Tesla I mean. It's gotta cost a lot for them to offer that...are the charging stations just for Teslas? Like, you couldn't charge your hybrid there right?

Still, that's amazing that they don't charge. Shit, if you had one near your house, just bring a book and charge there for free...no sense adding it you your electric bill.

I was just at the Walmart at 151st and Metcalf and I parked way out. For the first time I saw a lady in a volt charging at one of those kcpl chargers.

I shopped for twenty to 30 mins and she was still there when I walked out. That can't be fun. I wondered how you pay. It was just a couple stalls over so I took a look and it's no charge. Covered by Wal Mart

As far as Tesla, I imagine these will be used as the daily commute vehicle and most families will take the gas minivan or SUV for road trips so hopefully it won't add up too bad.

[DaneMcCloud]

In Los Angeles, I rarely, if ever, get more than 215 miles out of a filled gas tank, so I don't really see a problem with the range.

As far as charging stations, they're freaking everywhere, or so it seems.

[LiveSteam]

Not a bad looking car.

[saphojunkie]

Cute. Once they get 'em to the point that it has 7" ground clearance, can haul a 4x8 sheet of plywood and has a 400 mile range, I'll sit up an notice.

You won't have to wait for Tesla. They are leading the industry, and every manufacturer is going to follow suit.

There is absolutely going to be a flatbed version of this technology in the next ten years. I mean... it has 100% of torque instantly available. How can that possibly not be something of value?

And you don't need a 400 mile range. When the hell do you drive 400 miles without stopping with your gas engine?

[Simply Red]

This thread has been on the front page long enough for me to be real with you all now.

That is one ugly mother fucker.

[Simply Red]

I'm glad you like them though - it makes me happy to see you all pleased w/ a new automobile release.

[bobbymitch]

You won't have to wait for Tesla. They are leading the industry, and every manufacturer is going to follow suit.

There is absolutely going to be a flatbed version of this technology in the next ten years. I mean... it has 100% of torque instantly available. How can that possibly not be something of value?

And you don't need a 400 mile range. When the hell do you drive 400 miles without stopping with your gas engine?

We have doctors in KC that we go to several times a year. It also gives us the opportunity to make a Costco run at the same time. For us it is a 300 mile round trip that we can do on one tank, if need be. But we normally stop and top off when we down to 1/4 of a tank left. So I mentioned the 400 mile range since those range numbers vary greatly and could make the 300 miles easily. Once they get the charging done in less than an hour and one can just pull up and plug without waiting, then it could be a go. And for me ground clearance is an issue. Low slung cars won't make it into or out of my drive.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Looks like a Hyundai. But uglier.

[DaneMcCloud]

We have doctors in KC that we go to several times a year. It also gives us the opportunity to make a Costco run at the same time. For us it is a 300 mile round trip that we can do on one tank, if need be. But we normally stop and top off when we down to 1/4 of a tank left. So I mentioned the 400 mile range since those range numbers vary greatly and could make the 300 miles easily. Once they get the charging done in less than an hour and one can just pull up and plug without waiting, then it could be a go. And for me ground clearance is an issue. Low slung cars won't make it into or out of my drive.

Clearly, you're not their target market

[DaneMcCloud]

Looks like a Hyundai. But uglier.

You seem like a mult.

Only dumber.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You seem like a mult.

Only dumber.

LMAO

[MagicHef]

We have doctors in KC that we go to several times a year. It also gives us the opportunity to make a Costco run at the same time. For us it is a 300 mile round trip that we can do on one tank, if need be. But we normally stop and top off when we down to 1/4 of a tank left. So I mentioned the 400 mile range since those range numbers vary greatly and could make the 300 miles easily. Once they get the charging done in less than an hour and one can just pull up and plug without waiting, then it could be a go. And for me ground clearance is an issue. Low slung cars won't make it into or out of my drive.

The Model S can be adjusted up to 8" of ground clearance.

[Miles]

And FYI, there's a big fucking difference between a Range Rover and a Hyundai.

You get to use the warranty more?

[Miles]

In Los Angeles, I rarely, if ever, get more than 215 miles out of a filled gas tank, so I don't really see a problem with the range.

As far as charging stations, they're freaking everywhere, or so it seems.

215 mile seems very good to me as well. As I understand they are going to get a bit less range when stuck in traffic but nothing that would cause any concern in big city. Only time I could see it being an issue is a road trip and most families would have a standard vehicle they could use for that. Otherwise just get a rental which is what I always do anyway when driving out of town.

[Miles]

The no grille part of the design looks a little off. Obviously there is no need for one but it looks more like smooth plastic was put in place of one vs. blending it into the design.

[stumppy]

It looks like it got hit in the mouth with a shovel.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It looks like it got hit in the mouth with a shovel.

It's an ugly fucking car, and no amount of environmental Algoring will make it attractive.

[GloryDayz]

I can really appreciate what all this research by all the vendors is doing. While Tesla is the current high-end market, all this research, by all the vendors, is taking all of us towards the future.

Once the reliability gap is reduced, I'd love to have one (even if just a Chevy Volt).

And like my phone that I have NFC chargers setup for, I'd love to see more NFC technology help bridge the umbilical gap. Start at home (in the garage), to parking lots (prolly at work), to perhaps intersections/stop lights if/when 30-60 seconds could offer a material amount of charge (in the super-green cities).

[Mr. Laz]

The matte black is pretty damn sweet.

https://i.imgur.com/b5mSmd9.jpg

If that is the 35k model then it should do well.


looks good and would be ideal for city driving

[saphojunkie]

We have doctors in KC that we go to several times a year. It also gives us the opportunity to make a Costco run at the same time. For us it is a 300 mile round trip that we can do on one tank, if need be. But we normally stop and top off when we down to 1/4 of a tank left. So I mentioned the 400 mile range since those range numbers vary greatly and could make the 300 miles easily. Once they get the charging done in less than an hour and one can just pull up and plug without waiting, then it could be a go. And for me ground clearance is an issue. Low slung cars won't make it into or out of my drive.

Right, but you do stop on those trips - once at the doc, once at Costco, and once to top up. The supercharger for the tesla recharges in minutes.

There are also electric parking spots in garages where you can top up while you're on your errands. I don't know if the doc has one or Costco, but I imagine they are coming soon if they don't.

[DaFace]

Elon's been answering tweets for a couple hours now, and it sounds like the front look may still be tweaked based on the feedback they're getting.

Also, he confirmed that the interior isn't anywhere near done, so don't read too much into the current lack of instrument panel.

I know I'm a big fanboy of his in the first place, but I love that he is actually interested in some fan ideas:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/716750603813318660

[aturnis]

We have doctors in KC that we go to several times a year. It also gives us the opportunity to make a Costco run at the same time. For us it is a 300 mile round trip that we can do on one tank, if need be. But we normally stop and top off when we down to 1/4 of a tank left. So I mentioned the 400 mile range since those range numbers vary greatly and could make the 300 miles easily. Once they get the charging done in less than an hour and one can just pull up and plug without waiting, then it could be a go. And for me ground clearance is an issue. Low slung cars won't make it into or out of my drive.
So charge it whole your in Costco. Sounds like a likely target location.

Also, Tesla superchargers get you a 50% charge in 20 minutes, or 80% in 40 minutes.

They also strategically locate them for short walks to common destinations for good, shopping, entertainment, etc. They also plan to double the size of their network this year.

Also, they offer air ride suspension as an upgrade. You can program it to automatically raise and lower at various road locations.

People need to face it. It's here and the tech should rapidly improve.

[bobbymitch]

Right, but you do stop on those trips - once at the doc, once at Costco, and once to top up. The supercharger for the tesla recharges in minutes.

There are also electric parking spots in garages where you can top up while you're on your errands. I don't know if the doc has one or Costco, but I imagine they are coming soon if they don't.

Eventually, Saphojunkie, eventually. But considering that I am turning 70 this week, I doubt I'll live long enough to see it happen.

[aturnis]

You're opinions are appreciated but quickly dismissed. No issues with the appearance. The issues I have are the rear trunk, and I'm a little intimidated by the dash/display design.

http://cdn.bgr.com/2016/04/black-tesla-model-3.jpg?w=624

[GloryDayz]

I'd be more than willing to give a Tesla a try...

[aturnis]

Oh, plus these.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160404/88cb89a5eaf192d6533e1191840ee3d8.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160404/f2c16d1f421ac735e240693c9421e9b7.jpg

He's making sound like they expect full autonomy very quickly. It wasn't too long ago he predicted 2-3 years. They've made some big hires in tech development since then.

[Mr. Laz]

The sooner we get cars moved over to electricity, the sooner we can go back to ignoring the middle east. The money will dry up without oil and they can start fighting with sticks and rocks again.

[Valiant]

You're opinions are appreciated but quickly dismissed. No issues with the appearance. The issues I have are the rear trunk, and I'm a little intimidated by the dash/display design.

http://cdn.bgr.com/2016/04/black-tesla-model-3.jpg?w=624

Does it not have the front trunk like the other models?

[DaFace]

Does it not have the front trunk like the other models?

I does, but it's smaller since they pushed the driver's seat forward to make more room in the back seat.

[Lzen]

Autopilot comes standard? Cool.

At this point, I'm still concerned about the time to fill and lack of charging stations around the country.

Also, I don't buy that the electricity will only cost as much as $1.12/ gallon (gasoline equivalent). I'll believe it when I see it. I want to see customer reviews after people have driven these things for a few years.

As for styling, it's not bad but I'm not fond of the round top and the back end. Actually, the roundish top is not terrible or anything. I could do that. But that coupled with the back end just looks a little goofy to me.

Still, good for Elon Musk and his innovation. :thumb:

[Lzen]

I was just at the Walmart at 151st and Metcalf and I parked way out. For the first time I saw a lady in a volt charging at one of those kcpl chargers.

I shopped for twenty to 30 mins and she was still there when I walked out. That can't be fun. I wondered how you pay. It was just a couple stalls over so I took a look and it's no charge. Covered by Wal Mart

As far as Tesla, I imagine these will be used as the daily commute vehicle and most families will take the gas minivan or SUV for road trips so hopefully it won't add up too bad.

I'm guessing that these companies get some kind of kick back from the federal government. In other words, we're all paying for it.

[Lzen]

You won't have to wait for Tesla. They are leading the industry, and every manufacturer is going to follow suit.

There is absolutely going to be a flatbed version of this technology in the next ten years. I mean... it has 100% of torque instantly available. How can that possibly not be something of value?

And you don't need a 400 mile range. When the hell do you drive 400 miles without stopping with your gas engine?

For me the range wouldn't be a big deal if there were as many charging stations around the country as there are gas stations. And the time to charge (minimum 30 minutes?) is definitely a negative. And that's assuming that the charging station doesn't have anyone else doing a charge when you get there so that you don't have to wait for an available charging station.

[aturnis]

Autopilot comes standard? Cool.

At this point, I'm still concerned about the time to fill and lack of charging stations around the country.

Autopilot isn't exactly standard. The safety features will be standard. Collision detection, avoidance and braking. The actually "luxury" autopilot features will have some sort of activation fee, hopefully not a service subscription.

As for cost of charging, there have been Tesla cars on the road for a few years now, I'm sure the information you're after is out there.

[aturnis]

For me the range wouldn't be a big deal if there were as many charging stations around the country as there are gas stations. And the time to charge (minimum 30 minutes?) is definitely a negative. And that's assuming that the charging station doesn't have anyone else doing a charge when you get there so that you don't have to wait for an available charging station.
Would you trade never having to go to the gas station again in daily life for the inconvenience of a 30 minute stop every 3-4 hrs on long road trips?

[GloryDayz]

The sooner we get cars moved over to electricity, the sooner we can go back to ignoring the middle east. The money will dry up without oil and they can start fighting with sticks and rocks again.
The Dems will want to take them all in (but not at their house) .

[vailpass]

Would you trade never having to go to the gas station again in daily life for the inconvenience of a 30 minute stop every 3-4 hrs on long road trips?

Hell no.

[kepp]

Would you trade never having to go to the gas station again in daily life for the inconvenience of a 30 minute stop every 3-4 hrs on long road trips?

Yes, I think so.

[thebrad84]

Would you trade never having to go to the gas station again in daily life for the inconvenience of a 30 minute stop every 3-4 hrs on long road trips?

Exactly my thoughts. And the reality is, most people on road trips already stop every three to four hours for refuel, restroom, and food breaks that easily add up to 20 or 30 minutes. So, as long as these charging stations are located in areas where there are a couple different food options within walking distance, I see no issues with this mode of refueling your car for another 3 to 4 hour leg.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Exactly my thoughts. And the reality is, most people on road trips already stop every three to four hours for refuel, restroom, and food breaks that easily add up to 20 or 30 minutes. So, as long as these charging stations are located in areas where there are a couple different food options within walking distance, I see no issues with this mode of refueling your car for another 3 to 4 hour leg.

Not on my road trips. You stop for gas, take a piss, wash the windshield...10 minutes tops. Usually if I'm going somewhere, I want to get there. Taking a long trip and adding an hour or more just for fuel ups would be...an adjustment to say the least. Not to mention, what if some dude gets there before you and you have to wait in line...you could be talking about stopping for an hour or more...I guess hopefully in the future they'd have like multiple "pumps" or whatever, but it's definitely a problem...

[vailpass]

Not on my road trips. You stop for gas, take a piss, wash the windshield...10 minutes tops. Usually if I'm going somewhere, I want to get there. Taking a long trip and adding an hour or more just for fuel ups would be...an adjustment to say the least. Not to mention, what if some dude gets there before you and you have to wait in line...you could be talking about stopping for an hour or more...I guess hopefully in the future they'd have like multiple "pumps" or whatever, but it's definitely a problem...

Yep. Driving an undersized vehicle that needs plugged in for half an hour every 3 hours IF you can find an available charging station is never going to be a part of my life.
Cool idea, amazing engineering, probably great for inner city people who don't mind not having a full sized vehicle but not for me.

[DaFace]

Yep. Driving an undersized vehicle that needs plugged in for half an hour every 3 hours IF you can find an available charging station is never going to be a part of my life.
Cool idea, amazing engineering, probably great for inner city people who don't mind not having a full sized vehicle but not for me.

Just depends on the value of your time, I suppose. 200 miles of gas is worth about $15 (rough estimate), so that works out to about $30/hour in terms of the money you're saving as you stand there waiting. If your time is worth that, then sure, but it'd add up over a long road trip.

[vailpass]

Just depends on the value of your time, I suppose. 200 miles of gas is worth about $15 (rough estimate), so that works out to about $30/hour in terms of the money you're saving as you stand there waiting. If your time is worth that, then sure, but it'd add up over a long road trip.

If you can find a plug in, if there is nobody in front of you. I do not like the idea of being so limited in range. Too, the vehicles are undersized at this point and not that appealing from a fit and finish standpoint (for my likes).
Just my feelings. I get where many would be attracted to the idea.

[aturnis]

If you can find a plug in, if there is nobody in front of you. I do not like the idea of being so limited in range. Too, the vehicles are undersized at this point and not that appealing from a fit and finish standpoint (for my likes).
Just my feelings. I get where many would be attracted to the idea.
As far as charging is concerned, it's currently a very slight problem, but the supercharger infrastructure and destination charger networks are both set to double in size this year. You'll even be able to drive to Alaska for free.

That's only the Tesla network btw. Doesn't include chargers installed by forward thinking businesses which is only becoming more and more common with the added value of prime parking location.

As for your "undersized" issue, I'm pretty sure each of the three Tesla models have both the largest cabin in class, and most cargo space in class.

[aturnis]

Not on my road trips. You stop for gas, take a piss, wash the windshield...10 minutes tops. Usually if I'm going somewhere, I want to get there. Taking a long trip and adding an hour or more just for fuel ups would be...an adjustment to say the least. Not to mention, what if some dude gets there before you and you have to wait in line...you could be talking about stopping for an hour or more...I guess hopefully in the future they'd have like multiple "pumps" or whatever, but it's definitely a problem...
I guess I'd assume the "gotta get there" attitude is b/c you want to get the fuck of the road. From everything I've heard, autopilot pretty well takes care of the stresses of road rage and hurried driving.

Again, I expect part 2 of the announcement to be full autonomy at launch or in the years soon after. Get the family in the car at 3am, and wake up at your destination, or supercharger, whichever comes first.

[LiveSteam]

George Jetson & his car Elroy

[Lzen]

As far as charging is concerned, it's currently a very slight problem, but the supercharger infrastructure and destination charger networks are both set to double in size this year. You'll even be able to drive to Alaska for free.

That's only the Tesla network btw. Doesn't include chargers installed by forward thinking businesses which is only becoming more and more common with the added value of prime parking location.

As for your "undersized" issue, I'm pretty sure each of the three Tesla models have both the largest cabin in class, and most cargo space in class.

Look, I understand you like this technology and want it to work. Hell, I do, as well. But don't act like it's all unicorns and rainbows. A "very slight problem"? I don't agree with that assessment. Hell, there are currently only 2 charging stations in my state of Kansas. And neither is in the capital city where I live. That being said, I do think you may be onto to something with retailers adding them. And if they truly are free (run on solar) then this is a very good thing, IMO. But the issues with charging are still big issues as far as I'm concerned. And if you really think about it, they will only get bigger as this technology becomes more accepted and people buy more and more of these cars.

[DaFace]

Look, I understand you like this technology and want it to work. Hell, I do, as well. But don't act like it's all unicorns and rainbows. A "very slight problem"? I don't agree with that assessment. Hell, there are currently only 2 charging stations in my state of Kansas. And neither is in the capital city where I live. That being said, I do think you may be onto to something with retailers adding them. And if they truly are free (run on solar) then this is a very good thing, IMO. But the issues with charging are still big issues as far as I'm concerned. And if you really think about it, they will only get bigger as this technology becomes more accepted and people buy more and more of these cars.

Just for the record, you're a bit off on that. There are 5 in Kansas, one of which is in Topeka.

https://www.teslamotors.com/findus/list/superchargers/United+States

[vailpass]

As far as charging is concerned, it's currently a very slight problem, but the supercharger infrastructure and destination charger networks are both set to double in size this year. You'll even be able to drive to Alaska for free.

That's only the Tesla network btw. Doesn't include chargers installed by forward thinking businesses which is only becoming more and more common with the added value of prime parking location.

As for your "undersized" issue, I'm pretty sure each of the three Tesla models have both the largest cabin in class, and most cargo space in class.

There is nothing large about any of their cabin or cargo space. Like I said, cool idea but still very very niche.

[jiveturkey]

I can appreciate all of the concerns. Early adopters are there to help work out the kinks. I'm probably 4 years from looking to buy and version 2 of the model 3 is probably going to be a contender. I work at home and will only be pushing a 200 mile range a couple of times per year. I also don't like road tripping further than 8 hour. Two 30 minute stops between KC and Denver is perfectly acceptable to me. And also guess that the wife would stick with a small SUV that can take us further if needed.

[aturnis]

There is nothing large about any of their cabin or cargo space. Like I said, cool idea but still very very niche.
? What's your deal? Are you here just to groan about shit you apparently know nothing about?

This is a compact luxury sedan. It's target market is BMW 3 series Audi A4/6 and Volvo s60 owners. Only difference is the Model 3 will have more cabin and cargo room, and will likely outperform the rest in every way except range and maybe top speed.

It's big brother, the Model S, is a full sized luxury sedan. The highest selling car in it's class. Again, it has largest cabin and cargo room and outperforms everything in class except for range and probably top speed.

The Model X is a crossover SUV. Same sorry as the other two again.

More cargo and cabin room with the same footprint is kind of inherent to the design of the cars. They are also some of, if not the very safest cars on the road.

You don't want a compact sedan? Don't buy it. Interested in a bigger model, get the sedan our crossover that seat 7 comfortably. Want a truck? Wait 5 years.

Niche? Sure, fair enough. It did sell more units in the first 24 hours than any other product in history, but we can call it niche. 325,000 in the first week. $325,000,000, in instant interest free capitol for Tesla, and over $14 billion in sales. I'd call it a pretty good week.

Nevermind that every car manufacturer in the world is currently scrambling to keep up. Enjoy your ICE while you can.

Also likely the most American made car in the world.

[aturnis]

I can appreciate all of the concerns. Early adopters are there to help work out the kinks. I'm probably 4 years from looking to buy and version 2 of the model 3 is probably going to be a contender. I work at home and will only be pushing a 200 mile range a couple of times per year. I also don't like road tripping further than 8 hour. Two 30 minute stops between KC and Denver is perfectly acceptable to me. And also guess that the wife would stick with a small SUV that can take us further if needed.
I'm not sure there's going to be much fear for early adopters with the Model 3. It's all tech currently being used in the S and X, and inherently more maintenance free than an internal combustion engine.

They had their issues with motors in the early S's, but have now been building motors for some time and seem to have it under control.

[Lzen]

Just for the record, you're a bit off on that. There are 5 in Kansas, one of which is in Topeka.

https://www.teslamotors.com/findus/list/superchargers/United+States

Well, I'll be damned. I looked at the map the other day and it only showed KC and Wichita. Still, 5 in the state is not nearly enough.

[aturnis]

Well, I'll be damned. I looked at the map the other day and it only showed KC and Wichita. Still, 5 in the state is not nearly enough.
Why not? Those are superchargers and are meant for traveling, not daily top offs. You get your daily top off at home.

If you want to use them regularly, that's fine. There are also many more destination chargers and and third party chargers available. That and they will double the size of the network this year. There's another map for the future installs somewhere on the net.

[Lzen]

On a related note, has anyone ever seen the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car"? It was pretty interesting. GM had their own electric car in the mid 90s that was apparently a very good car but then decided to just up and kill the program. Check it out if you haven't already seen it.

[Lzen]

Why not? Those are superchargers and are meant for traveling, not daily top offs. You get your daily top off at home.

If you want to use them regularly, that's fine. There are also many more destination chargers and and third party chargers available. That and they will double the size of the network this year. There's another map for the future installs somewhere on the net.

Got any idea what it would cost for someone to install a solar powered charger in their home?

[DaFace]

Got any idea what it would cost for someone to install a solar powered charger in their home?

That's actually a tricky question. If you were to buy them outright, it would probably run you $10k-$20k based on estimates I've seen.

However, the much more common model these days is to lease them instead. The way the sales people describe it is that you'll immediately reduce your total electric bill (including the lease cost) with no up-front costs, but in that situation I'm sure you're talking savings of 20-50% rather than savings of 100% compared to what you're paying now.

http://www.solarcity.com/residential/how-much-do-solar-panels-cost

[DaFace]

On a related note, has anyone ever seen the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car"? It was pretty interesting. GM had their own electric car in the mid 90s that was apparently a very good car but then decided to just up and kill the program. Check it out if you haven't already seen it.

Haven't seen that, but I'll have to check it out. It's also interesting to note that, even back in the first days of the automobile, there were electric versions out there. Unfortunately, Henry Ford was great at what he did and effectively killed them off.

The issue with electric cars today is that they're trying to catch up with 100 years of development for gas cars. All of the concerns here (limited range, few charging stations, slow charging times, etc.) are absolutely valid, but probably would have been figured out decades ago if Ford had been a proponent of the electric car instead of the gas car. As it is, we're getting there, but I'd say we're at least a decade away from the point that we'll consider electric cars to truly be mainstream.

[bobbymitch]

Why not? Those are superchargers and are meant for traveling, not daily top offs. You get your daily top off at home.

If you want to use them regularly, that's fine. There are also many more destination chargers and and third party chargers available. That and they will double the size of the network this year. There's another map for the future installs somewhere on the net.

Must be why the one in Topeka is located between Arby's and Motel 6.

[vailpass]

? What's your deal? Are you here just to groan about shit you apparently know nothing about?

This is a compact luxury sedan. It's target market is BMW 3 series Audi A4/6 and Volvo s60 owners. Only difference is the Model 3 will have more cabin and cargo room, and will likely outperform the rest in every way except range and maybe top speed.

It's big brother, the Model S, is a full sized luxury sedan. The highest selling car in it's class. Again, it has largest cabin and cargo room and outperforms everything in class except for range and probably top speed.

The Model X is a crossover SUV. Same sorry as the other two again.

More cargo and cabin room with the same footprint is kind of inherent to the design of the cars. They are also some of, if not the very safest cars on the road.

You don't want a compact sedan? Don't buy it. Interested in a bigger model, get the sedan our crossover that seat 7 comfortably. Want a truck? Wait 5 years.

Niche? Sure, fair enough. It did sell more units in the first 24 hours than any other product in history, but we can call it niche. 325,000 in the first week. $325,000,000, in instant interest free capitol for Tesla, and over $14 billion in sales. I'd call it a pretty good week.

Nevermind that every car manufacturer in the world is currently scrambling to keep up. Enjoy your ICE while you can.

Also likely the most American made car in the world.

Does your chin smell like Elon's balls? You seem a little overly emotional on this subject. Enjoy your toy cars man, don't be offended that not everyone is quite as enthused as you.

[Hydrae]

I don't know the details but my boss recently bought one of the BMW i3 electrics. He lives in downtown Austin near the office and usually rides his bike to work so has no issue with the very limited range (something stupid like 80 miles on a charge).

The point though is that he pays the city $5 a month to use their chargers around town. He will go to a nearby parking garage on a Sunday morning and plug in. A couple of hours later he is good to go and it only cost him that $5. Hell of a deal!

[aturnis]

Does your chin smell like Elon's balls? You seem a little overly emotional on this subject. Enjoy your toy cars man, don't be offended that not everyone is quite as enthused as you.
Emotional? No. Just understand things a bit more than your dumbass. You're an idiot troll who can't let a thread about soccer or electric cars go untrolled. Typical idiot American guy. Can't stand your ilk.

Toy car. Literally better than any car on the market in every way except range and top speed. Probably won't be the case for long with the excitement Tesla has created for both the electric car and energy storage industry. Investment in battery research is a top priority these days.

[vailpass]

Emotional? No. Just understand things a bit more than your dumbass. You're an idiot troll who can't let a thread about soccer or electric cars go untrolled. Typical idiot American guy. Can't stand your ilk.

Toy car. Literally better than any car on the market in every way except range and top speed. Probably won't be the case for long with the excitement Tesla has created for both the electric car and energy storage industry. Investment in battery research is a top priority these days.

Forgive me, we seem to have got off on the wrong foot here. It's clear your knowledge on the subject far exceeds mine and I can learn from you. A couple of questions:

*What is Tesla's engineering plan for recovery when their sparky cars are run over by real-sized trucks? Is there a sort of spring-back technology?
*Do the self-driving models come with accu-jack and auto-suck?
*Do you anticipate them manufacturing a vehicle for hetero males anytime soon?

Electric car bros for life...

[aturnis]

Haven't seen that, but I'll have to check it out. It's also interesting to note that, even back in the first days of the automobile, there were electric versions out there. Unfortunately, Henry Ford was great at what he did and effectively killed them off.

The issue with electric cars today is that they're trying to catch up with 100 years of development for gas cars. All of the concerns here (limited range, few charging stations, slow charging times, etc.) are absolutely valid, but probably would have been figured out decades ago if Ford had been a proponent of the electric car instead of the gas car. As it is, we're getting there, but I'd say we're at least a decade away from the point that we'll consider electric cars to truly be mainstream.
I haven't seen it either, but have heard it's good. There's also a recent follow up, not sure if it's actually from the same people or not, called "Revenge of the Electric Car". I have heard that one is a must watch.

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[aturnis]

Got any idea what it would cost for someone to install a solar powered charger in their home?

Honestly, I'm not aware of a solar powered option, but I wouldn't be surprised if a 3rd party option exists.

The typical setup is just a 220v charger installed by an electrician from your panel. The cost of the charger is in the $700 range, plus the electrician time.

While you may not want to incur the extra cost on your bill, it shouldn't be a crazy bill. The added cost should be quite a bit less than your monthly gasoline bill.

If you want solar though, the investments in solar panels and electric cars compliment each other well, and together will help you recoup your investment much faster. If a complete solar install is something you would consider, I'd wait a little bit, as the cost of a solar equipment is expected to fall some 40% anywhere from 2017-2020. The most commonly recited date being 2017.

[HonestChieffan]

Emotional? No. Just understand things a bit more than your dumbass. You're an idiot troll who can't let a thread about soccer or electric cars go untrolled. Typical idiot American guy. Can't stand your ilk.

Toy car. Literally better than any car on the market in every way except range and top speed. Probably won't be the case for long with the excitement Tesla has created for both the electric car and energy storage industry. Investment in battery research is a top priority these days.


Cool stuff. A slow car that wont go far. Better than anything else by what measure?

Is there a trailer hitch option for this overpriced ride for nitwits?

Let me know when Tesla has a real car that will get me to Lawrence or Columbia and back or a Tesla pickup with 4WD and a gooseneck hitch.

Without government aid these dickheads would be broke tomorrow.

[DaneMcCloud]

Cool stuff. A slow car that wont go far. Better than anything else by what measure?

Is there a trailer hitch option for this overpriced ride for nitwits?

Let me know when Tesla has a real car that will get me to Lawrence or Columbia and back or a Tesla pickup with 4WD and a gooseneck hitch.

Without government aid these dickheads would be broke tomorrow.
You might be the dumbest motherfucker in America.

If you're not, I surely never want to meet that person.

[aturnis]

Cool stuff. A slow car that wont go far. Better than anything else by what measure?

Is there a trailer hitch option for this overpriced ride for nitwits?

Let me know when Tesla has a real car that will get me to Lawrence or Columbia and back or a Tesla pickup with 4WD and a gooseneck hitch.

Without government aid these dickheads would be broke tomorrow.

2.8 second 0-60 but tops out at 130mph(software limited). Not bad for a car that weighs 4900 lbs.

Out accelerates Ferrari and Bugatti. Other "performance sedans" top at around 155mph?

As far as towing, the Model X crossover SUV has a 5,000lb tow capacity. I understand it has the ability to tow at "very high speeds", I've seen 70-75mph cited by owners. It also has a 0-60 of 3.2 seconds and a top speed of 155mph. Again, not bad for a 5400lb crossover suv. So I guess I'd imagine it is top in class or equal.

Other than next level safety ratings(literally broke testing machines), it sticks to the road like nothing else and the consensus is it is unflippable, during safety testing, tester literally could not flip the car, saying "you couldn't flip it with a spatula".

Without the government, all American auto manufacturers would be out of business, with the possible exception of Ford. At least Tesla is innovating, which is more than we can say for traditional automakers, the only innovative thing they've done in the last 30 years is outsourcing. Literally the last major innovation in traditional ICE auto manufacturing was electronic fuel injection in 1982. Fucking crooks.

They all took money in the big auto bailout. Have they even repaid the money yet? At least any credit lines Tesla got they paid back well ahead of schedule and with interest.

Not only that, but Tesla is the most American made car in the world as far as I know.

Want a pickup, wait 3-5 years.

[vailpass]

You might be the dumbest mother****er in America.

If you're not, I surely never want to meet that person.

My ball busting of fan boi aside I'll make a humble observation. I've spent my career assembling teams of top flight engineers to work projects I've developed. Mostly DOD, some commercial early on. All more gifted than I am, I'm not an engineer. SW,EE,SE,ME,CS. There isn't anything they can't accomplish given focus and funding. In my humble opinion Musk is a singular visionary, crossing over from conventional to the next level. He's the rarest of birds, a door opener.
What will follow is that focus and funding, hopefully.
Then we'll have our best and brightest added to the solid team he's assembled. We'll have engineers ****ing around in the lab on an IRAD that develop transportation power technology that make plugging in a car look like film before digital. That does not detract from Musk opening the door but what can happen once we step through that door is exciting and so much more.

[Eleazar]

They look awesome to me, I don't know what people are complaining about. Luddites or what?

[eDave]

They look awesome to me, I don't know what people are complaining about. Luddites or what?

Not redneck enough.

[Lzen]

2.8 second 0-60 but tops out at 130mph(software limited). Not bad for a car that weighs 4900 lbs.

Out accelerates Ferrari and Bugatti. Other "performance sedans" top at around 155mph?

As far as towing, the Model X crossover SUV has a 5,000lb tow capacity. I understand it had the ability to you're at "very high speeds", I've seen 70-75mph cited by owners. It also has a 0-60 of 3.2 seconds and a top speed of 155mph. Again, not bad for a 5400lb crossover suv. So I guess I'd imagine it is top in class or equal.

Other than next level safety ratings(literally broke trying machines), it sticks to the road like nothing else and the consensus is it is unflippable, during safety testing, tester literally could not flip the car, saying "you couldn't flip it with a spatula".

Without the government, all American auto manufacturers would be out of business, with the possible exception of Ford. At least Tesla is innovating, which is more than we can say for traditional automakers, the only innovative thing they've done in the last 30 years is outsourcing. Literally the lady major innovation in internal traditional ICE auto manufacturing was electronic fuel injection in 1982. ****ing crooks.

They all took money in the big auto bailout, have they even repaid the money yet? At least any credit lines Tesla got they paid back well ahead of schedule and with interest.

Not only that, but Tesla is the most American made car in the world as far as I know.

Want a pickup, wait 3-5 years.

Ford didn't take a government bail out. And you're right, GM and Dodge should have been left to bankruptcy. They wouldn't have gone out of business. But you can bet that they would have restructured and most likely ended up with a much better company.

[aturnis]

Ford didn't take a government bail out. And you're right, GM and Dodge should have been left to bankruptcy. They wouldn't have gone out of business. But you can bet that they would have restructured and most likely ended up with a much better company.
Wrong. Ford didn't NEED a government bailout, they took the money anyway though, plus another loan on top of that if I recall. Bastards.

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[Lzen]

Wrong. Ford didn't NEED a government bailout, they took the money anyway though, plus another loan on top of that if I recall. Bastards.

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Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Where did you get this information?

[Mr. Laz]

You might be the dumbest motherfucker in America.

If you're not, I surely never want to meet that person.
All his opinions are politically based.

Electric cars are teh debbil pushed on society by heathen tree-hugging commies.

logic has nothing to do with anything

[Mr. Laz]

Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Where did you get this information?http://www.factcheck.org/2011/09/ford-motor-co-does-u-turn-on-bailouts/

There are several places to read about it if you don't approve of that website

[aturnis]

Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Where did you get this information?
Oops, Laz beat me to it.

[underEJ]

I had a Volt for a 3 year lease and it was fantastic, a great bridge between the gas only model and electric only models. I would be one of the Tesla buyers if I thought I was going to own a car for enough years (at least 10) after it is released. I don't think I will however. I think I am less than likely to own a car as my primary form of transportation even 5 years from now.

It isn't totally clear yet how ride share will look in the future, nor how public transit will merge with it, but it is already happening. Kansas City has a great example of where the merge is starting with the Bridj project. Mass transit that is smaller and can alter with demand. I think you will see ride share become an investment game too where car investors instead of car owners put cars on the street and drivers lease to drive others and eventually cars auto pilot, taking ride share and mass transit to a unification where public transit is available on demand, basically door to door.

As long as I live in a city, I don't see myself needing to own my own car in about five years, seven at the most.

[Mr. Laz]

I had a Volt for a 3 year lease and it was fantastic, a great bridge between the gas only model and electric only models. I would be one of the Tesla buyers if I thought I was going to own a car for enough years (at least 10) after it is released. I don't think I will however. I think I am less than likely to own a car as my primary form of transportation even 5 years from now.

It isn't totally clear yet how ride share will look in the future, nor how public transit will merge with it, but it is already happening. Kansas City has a great example of where the merge is starting with the Bridj project. Mass transit that is smaller and can alter with demand. I think you will see ride share become an investment game too where car investors instead of car owners put cars on the street and drivers lease to drive others and eventually cars auto pilot, taking ride share and mass transit to a unification where public transit is available on demand, basically door to door.

As long as I live in a city, I don't see myself needing to own my own car in about five years, seven at the most.
I don't know about that.

People in KC don't seem to like public transit or ride sharing, they want to control their own ride even if it cost more. JMO

[vailpass]

I had a Volt for a 3 year lease and it was fantastic, a great bridge between the gas only model and electric only models. I would be one of the Tesla buyers if I thought I was going to own a car for enough years (at least 10) after it is released. I don't think I will however. I think I am less than likely to own a car as my primary form of transportation even 5 years from now.

It isn't totally clear yet how ride share will look in the future, nor how public transit will merge with it, but it is already happening. Kansas City has a great example of where the merge is starting with the Bridj project. Mass transit that is smaller and can alter with demand. I think you will see ride share become an investment game too where car investors instead of car owners put cars on the street and drivers lease to drive others and eventually cars auto pilot, taking ride share and mass transit to a unification where public transit is available on demand, basically door to door.

As long as I live in a city, I don't see myself needing to own my own car in about five years, seven at the most.

Yeah right

[underEJ]

I don't know about that.

People in KC don't seem to like public transit or ride sharing, they want to control their own ride even if it cost more. JMO

You may be right, but so far, that isn't what I've been seeing. I am moving back to KC in 2018, and I have always had a place there even while living in LA, and transit was decades behind LA when I first moved out here. Now it is about one decade behind, and the gap will close faster because transit expansions are accompanied by a network of ride options and all areas can be served immediately even while more permanent infrastructures like the streetcar are being built.

I recently moved my KC place from midtown to downtown and finding a place along the streetcar route was hard. Bidding wars were pretty common for prime places. I did manage to do it, but there was much talk among realtors about the new developments planned along the line. That is only one small line, and the impact is there. People are grouping around it.

KC used to be a transit town, and it may very well be one again. KC is, however, a big naysayer town, but they generally come around eventually.

[underEJ]

Yeah right

Yeah right to which part? That I won't need to own a car? Or the time frame? I barely need one now.

Or do you mean the auto pilot bit? I did use the word eventually there. That isn't necessarily in the 5-7 year time frame I mentioned as my own car use time frame.

[Valiant]

I don't know about that.

People in KC don't seem to like public transit or ride sharing, they want to control their own ride even if it cost more. JMO

I do not think that is at all. We would want transit if they did it correctly.

We spent a half a billion on the current one going in, and they will what? help a 1000 people a day?

Kansas Citians look at cost, our city is not a million people at the core living there, and most do not live or work in the city.

To do it properly you would first need giant parking areas outside the city, then have lines run to the city and have a switching line so you could switch to another route if there was not a direct line. Then have OP, LS/BS, Northland/airport and Independence be the main focal points. That would cost what 100-300 billion? For a city of this population.

Just do the city? But why at that cost when most of the businesses/corporations that employ people are not there.

I have never seen a good plan/cost for trying to be like the coastal cities. We are not on that level population wise and for how spread out we are.

[Bwana]

No but I'm not a tree hugger or a narcissistic chick with daddy issues. NTTAWWT

[Eleazar]

I live in a major city and would like to be able to take public transit to work. The problem with that is I have a 20 minute drive or an hour or more bus ride. (Which would involve waiting outside in the blistering cold some parts of the year and riding a bus line that is well known for horror stories)

[DaveNull]

Just do the city? But why at that cost when most of the businesses/corporations that employ people are not there.


It encourages people to move back into the city. Sit in traffic for an hour and half to get to Olathe versus 20 minutes on public transit to get to Waldo.

[Valiant]

It encourages people to move back into the city. Sit in traffic for an hour and half to get to Olathe versus 20 minutes on public transit to get to Waldo.

There is no part of the city that takes that long in traffic unless an accident blocked all lanes. I drive rush hour, 45 mins to get across the city, 30 mins when non rush hour doing 80mph.

Again, the cost to pull it off with our population would be outrageous burden.

[aturnis]

For those of you wondering about autopilot in the elements, here's one guys experience on a long commute. Both rain and accumulated snow.

https://youtu.be/lTtLGP4cRaQ

Not perfect, but further along than you'd expect for only having been on the road for 4 months at the time of this recording.

Now 7 months in and 47 million miles logged, it's only going to get better. After the Model 3 drops, data for improvements should skyrocket.

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[lewdog]

For those of you wondering about autopilot in the elements, here's one guys experience on a long commute. Both rain and accumulated snow.

https://youtu.be/lTtLGP4cRaQ

Not perfect, but further along than you'd expect for only having been on the road for 4 months at the time of this recording.

Now 7 months in and 47 million miles logged, it's only going to get better. After the Model 3 drops, data for improvements should skyrocket.

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Are you buying one soon? How will it handle Iowa winters?

[vailpass]

Are you buying one soon? How will it handle Iowa winters?

It's a fine concept for the few until it meets the reality of the masses. I get and admire the idealism but replacing the practicality is a whole nother thing.

[aturnis]

I preordered two. I'll toy with the idea of reselling the first for a profit(sorry), but I'll work out how much financial sense it makes before time comes to fork over the cash.

This isn't a Chevy Bolt, it's more along the lines of an executive compact, but unlike it's competition can drive itself, so that's worth something.

I think right now it's close. Higher payment than I'm used to should approach the level of basically financing the gas bill of an ICE car for 5 years, at least with my commute. The added luxury and conveniences should make up the rest.

10 years ago I never thought I'd pay $2,000 for a tv, or $600 for a cell phone ever couple years. Not to mention the high monthly bill of service and data plans, so paying more for a car that drives itself doesn't seem too crazy.

As for the snow, yes. All driver experience says Tesla's do great in the snow and ice. Better than similar ICE cars.

Norway has the most Tesla vehicles per capita in the world, and they get more than double the annual snowfall of Iowa.

I fully accept that range might suffer a tad, but I've not heard any horror stories yet, and I've looked. Worst I've seen is usually 70-80% of normal operating capacity.

Nothing outside of daily use, and I don't travel much in the winter. I tend to avoid the cold as much as I can.

[aturnis]

It's a fine concept for the few until it meets the reality of the masses. I get and admire the idealism but replacing the practicality is a whole nother thing.

Again, I think electric cars suit most buyers just fine. Probably 90-95%+ of all Americans.

I get that you are concerned about hypotheticals and extremes, I live in Iowa and the majority of guys I know own a truck. I see many(that don't actually need them) get giddy and jump at the chance to justify paying double(triple with gas?) what most others pay by finally getting to use it's utility.

Those conditions make up so little of the average Americans life it doesn't seem relevant unless you own your own construction business, abuse your own truck for your employers benefit(weird), or are constantly hauling something. In which case an old beater is more than sufficient.

[vailpass]

Again, I think electric cars suit most buyers just fine. Probably 90-95%+ of all Americans.

I get that you are concerned about hypotheticals and extremes, I live in Iowa and the majority of guys I know own a truck. I see many(that don't actually need them) get giddy and jump at the chance to justify paying double what most others pay by finally getting to use it's utility.

Those conditions make up so little of the average Americans life it doesn't seem relevant unless you own your own construction business, abuse your own truck for your employers benefit(weird), or are constantly hauling something. In which case an old beater is more than sufficient.

Bro you're so off base on so many things you said here. I'm not going to try and dissuade you, to each their own. Again, I'm amazed by the engineering and think they'll eventually go far.
I keep a truck to haul my toy box, camp, haul things when needed. None of which the electric car can do. I keep a car for daily drive, the tesla doesn't compare to it at this time.

[saphojunkie]

If you drive less than 53 miles a day, the Checy Volt will never need it's gasoline. But it's there in case and can go 350 miles on one tank.

[saphojunkie]

Some people in this thread still use encyclopedias.

[vailpass]

Some people in this thread still use encyclopedias.

Are you implying that preferring gas powered vehicles equates to being outdated in information gathering ability or methods?

[DaneMcCloud]

Again, all I can say is that I generally drive less than 2,000 miles per year so when Tesla offers an SUV, I'm all in.

I couldn't get by with the sedan but my wife might be able to pull it off.

[GloryDayz]

Barring not stops or other jaunts I drive 50 miles a day when I go into the downtown office, so it would work fine for me.. Airport trips are 88 miles, so even there I'd be good. I think it would be cool, but I'm not quite ready to do it (I have a kid in college)...

[Munson]

The looks of the Model 3 are growing on me.

If Tesla can put some superchargers in the Olathe area by the time its released, I'd seriously consider buying one when my lease is up in early 2018.


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[Mr. Laz]

The looks of the Model 3 are growing on me.

If Tesla can put some superchargers in the Olathe area by the time its released, I'd seriously consider buying one when my lease is up in early 2018.


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Can you set up a quick charging station at you own home? How much?

[aturnis]

Can you set up a quick charging station at you own home? How much?
Not necessarily quick charging, but will definitely charge your car fully while you sleep. I answered the same question for Izen a bit back if you care to look.

That said, there are rumors Tesla plans to release a "Powerwall 2.0" this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see a model that would include a built in charger with super charging capability.

[vailpass]

Not necessarily quick charging, but will definitely charge your car fully while you sleep. I answered the same question for Izen a bit back if you care to look.

That said, there are rumors Tesla plans to release a "Powerwall 2.0" this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see a model that would include a built in charger with super charging capability.

You have a dozen of those on pre-order, yes?

[MagicHef]

Again, all I can say is that I generally drive less than 2,000 miles per year so when Tesla offers an SUV, I'm all in.

I couldn't get by with the sedan but my wife might be able to pull it off.

You know the Model X is an SUV/crossover, right? Do you need something bigger than that?

[MagicHef]

Bro you're so off base on so many things you said here. I'm not going to try and dissuade you, to each their own. Again, I'm amazed by the engineering and think they'll eventually go far.
I keep a truck to haul my toy box, camp, haul things when needed. None of which the electric car can do. I keep a car for daily drive, the tesla doesn't compare to it at this time.

Why doesn't the Tesla compare to your daily driver car? What is your drive like?

[vailpass]

You know the Model X is an SUV/crossover, right? Do you need something bigger than that?

:D You know "crossover" is another word for "not really" right?

[vailpass]

Why doesn't the Tesla compare to your daily driver car? What is your drive like?

Some days I don't drive at all. Other days I do. On those days I like my ride nicely appointed and able to take on fuel anywhere.
On none of those days do I want a car that hasn't proven it won't last past a couple of years.

[Mr. Laz]

Tesla Model 3: Reserve Now for a Better Chance At a Federal Tax Credit Up to $7,500
MICHAELSD 765 197 April 1, 2016 at 02:59 PM

Once an automaker has sold 200,000 electric cars (or hybrids), the government begins to phase out the federal tax credit buyers receive. The initial reservations will likely receive the full $7,500 credit but following that the credit will be cut in half for two sales quarters then to $1875 for the final two phase-out quarters. Reserving a Tesla Model 3 today greatly increases your chance of receiving some type of credit on the car.

Basically, reserving a Tesla Model 3 now will practically guarantee you at least an $1875 federal tax credit for purchasing an electric vehicle, but up to a $7500 credit depending on your position in the quene which is also determined by options and location.

I reserved one, and am very excited for the future. This is the Model T of our generation, and will set the precedent for all cars to come.

Reserve for a modest (refundable) $1,000 at https://www.teslamotors.com/model3

[MagicHef]

:D You know "crossover" is another word for "not really" right?

Given his location, I am assuming that he wants an SUV for the space and comfort, not the off-road ability.

Anyway, here's a video of a Model X beating an Alfa Romeo 4C Spider in a drag race whole towing a second 4C Spider.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/tesla-model-x-vs-alfa-4c-race-video/

[aturnis]

Good call Hef. Pretty sure Vailpass is the only one here who buys an SUV based on its ability to compete in the Baja 1000.

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[lewdog]

I'd rather have a Maserati SUV over a Tesla SUV.

[underEJ]

This is exactly what I was talking about for the future. Not sure if his idea is specifically about the vehicle to develop, the automation, the scheduling and route planning on the fly, or more likely all of the above, but this is what many companies are researching with projects like the Ford/KCATA one year trial Bridj.

http://techcrunch.com/2016/04/21/elon-musk-has-an-idea-for-autonomous-transit-vehicles-but-hes-being-coy-about-it/

[DaneMcCloud]

You know the Model X is an SUV/crossover, right? Do you need something bigger than that?

Thanks but I need a true SUV.

Two 75 pound yellow Labs, two kids with car seats, etc.

A crossover isn't nearly big enough.

[aturnis]

I don't know about that.

People in KC don't seem to like public transit or ride sharing, they want to control their own ride even if it cost more. JMO
They like uber just fine don't they?

[vailpass]

They like uber just fine don't they?

When your BAC is above .8, sure...

[Mr. Laz]

They like uber just fine don't they?
Yea, but uber is still a single occupant, single destination situation.

A taxi/uber is not the same thing as sharing a bus or train, interact with strangers and wait for the vehicle to get to your 'Stop'.

[aturnis]

You won't have to ride with strangers. You'll call a car, and it will take you to your destination. Same thing as uber, less the driver.

[DaFace]

Yea, but uber is still a single occupant, single destination situation.

A taxi/uber is not the same thing as sharing a bus or train, interact with strangers and wait for the vehicle to get to your 'Stop'.

That's not entirely true - many people "Uber Pool" these days. But that's probably not important to the conversation. :)

[DaneMcCloud]

That's not entirely true - many people "Uber Pool" these days. But that's probably not important to the conversation. :)

I've Uber pooled more than two dozen times and have been the only rider

:D

[Mr. Laz]

I'm thoroughly convinced that there is nothing that CP can't argue about.

[eDave]

I'm thoroughly convinced that there is nothing that CP can't argue about.

The girl in your avatar is ugly and fat.

[DaneMcCloud]

The girl in your avatar is ugly and fat.

LMAO

[GloryDayz]

I like Uber...

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[Chief Pagan]

I'm thoroughly convinced that there is nothing that CP can't argue about.

I disagree.

[aturnis]

Apparently someone found a way to flip one.

https://www.google.com/amp/electrek.co/2016/05/06/tesla-model-s-crash-large-crumple-zone-gallery/amp/?client=ms-android-uscellular-us#

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Spectacular Tesla Model S crash after flying 82+ft in the air shows importance of a large crumple zone [Gallery]
Fred Lambert 8 hours ago Categories:Cars, Tesla Tags:crumple zone, Model S crash, Model S crumple zone, Tesla, Tesla crash germany, Tesla Model S

Earlier this week, a 18-year old took her father’s Tesla Model S for a ride with 4 of her friends in Pullach, Germany. She was reportedly driving at an excessive speed and lost control in a turn. The vehicle jumped off-road “and flew 25 meters [82 ft] through the air” and crashed in a field at full speed before rolling over at least once.

It takes a lot of speed to flip a 5,000 lbs Model S with a low center of gravity, but fortunately and despite the severity of the crash, none of the 5 occupants in the Model S died.

They were all able to exit the vehicle without the help of the first responders, though their injuries were described as “serious but non-life threatening” and they were transported to the hospital by helicopter.

Pictures of the accident show that the front-end of the Model S is completely destroyed while the cabin itself remains whole. This highlights the importance of a large crumple zone, like the Tesla Model S’ front trunk (frunk), something easier to design with electric vehicles due to the lack of engines and the use of smaller motors.

Local German newspaper, Merkur, shared a few pictures of the impressive crash:



An engine in the front could have exercised pressure on the passenger cabin, but the lack of engine in the font of the Model S acts as a giant crumple zone to absorb the energy of the impact.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk likes to use the analogy of a pool to describe the effect a crumple zone has during an impact:

“it’s just like jumping into a pool from a high diving board — you want a deep pool and one without rocks in it.”
Hopefully the 5 young adults recover quickly and can learn something from this accident.

[BWillie]

So are these things 100% electric? I have a Prius, and it's obviously not 100% electric, just battery powered. I would think if it was 100% electric that would be a pain in the ass to always find a plug in etc. Don't want to read entire thread. Lazy. How far do these things go on a single charge etc?

[aturnis]

Base model 215 miles, upgraded 300+

[alpha_omega]

Tesla owner blows up Model S instead of footing $22,600 repair bill

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When faced with a repair bill that costs half of what you paid for your car, do you go through with the expensive repair, bring it to the junkyard, or sell it for parts? Finnish Tesla owner Tuomas Katainen decided to do something a little more extreme — but arguably a lot more satisfying — when faced with such a situation: he watched his car go up in flames, as noted in a report from Gizmodo.

Katainen handed his 2013 Tesla Model S over to Pommijätkät, a group of explosion experts on YouTube who loves to make things go “boom,” after he was quoted $22,600 for a battery replacement. “Well when I bought that Tesla, the first 1,500km [932 miles] were nice,” Katainen recounted. “Then, error codes hit.” After Katainen brought his Tesla to a mechanic, he found out that the only way to fix the car would be to replace the entire battery pack, which would cost him at least 20,000€, or around $22,600.

I think anyone would be pretty frustrated at that point, considering that the base price for a new 2013 Tesla Model S started at $57,400, later increasing to $59,900 when the car first came out. Even a standard used model currently goes for around $30,000 at the lowest. That’s probably why Katainen picked up the Tesla from the shop and told the mechanic that he’s going to “explode the whole car away.”

For context, these cars come with an eight-year (or up to 150,000 miles) battery and drive unit warranty, but the warranties on older models are starting to expire, revealing the potential cost behind a full battery replacement. In September, Electrek reported on a Tesla owner in need of a battery replacement on a Model S that was no longer under warranty. As noted in the report, he was quoted $22,500 from Tesla, but ended up getting a repair for $5,000 from a third-party shop. Katainen’s quote was also from Tesla, and it’s unclear whether he had access to an alternative repair service.

Either way, the group behind Pommijätkät strapped 30kg (66 pounds) of dynamite to the car and parked it in an old quarry in Jaala, Finland. Even Elon Musk was there — well, at least in spirit. A crash test dummy outfitted with a helmet, thick winter jacket, and a picture of Musk’s face was dropped in by helicopter and then stuffed in the driver’s seat.

Katainen triggers the explosion from inside a nearby bunker, and Tesla erupts in a ball of fire, with what seems like thousands of pieces scattering throughout the snowy landscape. The group picks up whatever was left of the car, which amounts to just a pile of scraps. When asked whether he’s ever had this much fun behind the wheel of a Tesla, Katainen replies, “No, never enjoyed this much with Tesla!”

https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/26/22853573/tesla-model-s-explosion-repair-bill

[BWillie]

Nobody paid base price. Most Model S's when they came out were 80k to 100k. The P90Ds and other variations even more.

I've had mine for like 4 yrs now and have had only one repair I had to pay for the main screen for like 3k. Considering all of the free supercharger instead of buying gas Ive received, no oil changes, its a pretty good car for lack of maintenance. It does tend to go thru tires pretty quickly with how heavy it is.

[srvy]

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[WilliamTheIrish]

I currently work with 16 folks who own them. Thus far, the biggest repair is due to shredding tires by accident.

[Bugeater]

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[srvy]

His voice and hyper active hands annoy me but dude knows his shit.

[Bugeater]

He probably does and he definitely has a lot of interesting topics but I just can't make it through any of his videos.

OTOH, I love Bill from Curious Cars. Check his channel out if you never have, here's some highlights.

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