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Sandy Vagina

04-22-2016, 06:09 AM

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DRAFT PICKS:

With the #28 overall selection.. in the 2016 NFL Draft...

http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/chiefsb_logo.gif The Kansas City Chiefs select...

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CB / Mackensie Alexander / Clemson

It's always fortunate when positional need and top value merge in any draft round, and this is what I feel happened for KC with Mack Alexander available here. The Chiefs have an excellent duo of CBs in Marcus Peters and Phillip Gaines.. but Sean Smith departed in FA.. and Gaines is returning from an early injury last season. Adding CB talent outside of those top two was a large priority need. Alexander is a heck of a man cover corner, so he is an ideal fit in Bob Sutton's scheme.
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With the #59 overall selection.. in the 2016 NFL Draft...

http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/chiefsb_logo.gif The Kansas City Chiefs select...

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CB / Artie Burns / Miami

KC double dips on CB here, after selecting Mack Alexander in rd 1. I had Burns in my top 10 of targets for a while now, and feel pretty good about snatching him up here. As said, the quality behind starters Marcus Peters and Phillip Gaines was lacking. Now with these two additions, DB coaches Emmitt Thomas and Al Harris will be smiling ear to ear while working with this foursome of young talent.
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With the #112 overall selection.. in the 2016 NFL Draft...

http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/chiefsb_logo.gif The Kansas City Chiefs select...

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DL / Maliek Collins / Nebraska

Although KC is set with their excellent trio of starters in Poe, Howard, and Bailey, it is important to add more quality depth for the future. Maliek Collins has excellent movement skills and physicality. He is stout and powerful, yet has long arms. He was heavily double teamed in 2015.. which explains the drop in production.. and if that's what it takes to stop him on this KC defense? Sign me up.. let the opposition take their chances on others not making the impact plays versus single blocks. Maliek's skills can keep him on the field in the often used Nickel defense.. particularly to spell Poe or Howard. This addition also gives the Chiefs some insurance, in case of injury along the line.. as well as any potential trouble in signing Poe when his contract runs out.
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With the #126 overall selection.. in the 2016 NFL Draft...

http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/chiefsb_logo.gif The Kansas City Chiefs select...

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WR / Jordan Payton / UCLA

With another offseason under their belts, the Chiefs current WRs may just be enough to get the team well beyond a single playoff win. Maclin has been the miracle #1 they needed, but there can be no guarantees that Chris Conley, Albert Wilson, Rod Streater, or De'Anthony Thomas will take a strong step towards locking down a majority of snaps. Jordan Payton is, imho, the most underrated WR in this class. He has good size and length.. has enough speed and quickness to threaten defenses.. and is an ideal run blocker. Payton is top 10 in not letting catchable passes hit the ground, and can go up in tight coverage to pluck the ball away. He may not be the swing-for-the-fences prospect that some covet, perhaps, but he has a very high chance of becoming a solid #2 at the next level.
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With the #159 overall selection.. in the 2016 NFL Draft...

http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/chiefsb_logo.gif The Kansas City Chiefs select...

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QB / Kevin Hogan / Stanford

To add competition to backup QBs Aaron Murray and Tyler Bray, the Chiefs elect to send the card for Hogan in here. Kevin Hogan has experience, athleticism, and a strong arm. He has intelligence, comes from a pro-style scheme, and plays a careful brand of ball within his current limitations. The coaches will need to work on his delivery and mechanics.. but there will be plenty of time to improve on the weaknesses.
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With the #242 overall selection.. in the 2016 NFL Draft...

http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/chiefsb_logo.gif The Kansas City Chiefs select...

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OT / Caleb Benenoch / UCLA

There are quite a few bodies with potential backing up OT starters Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz, yet I'll add another talented option to battle it out for a roster spot. Caleb is easily the highest value on my board. He has experience at OT or OG, though his athleticism should get him strong opportunities at OT first. He will need to get stronger, but his lateral quickness is a great fit for the healthy mix of zone blocking that the Chiefs utilize.

TRADES:
KC trades RB Spencer Ware + pick #203 traded to Redskins for pick #120 + #242
KC trades #120 + #162 to the Saints for pick #112
KC trades #165 + #249 to the Ravens for pick #159

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS ----- 2016 ...................http://www.bengals.com/assets/images/helmets/chiefs_helmet_left_mask.gif

QB: Alex Smith, Aaron Murray, Kevin Hogan, Tyler Bray
RB: Jamaal Charles, Charcandrick West, Knile Davis, Darrin Reaves
FB: Anthony Sherman, Trey Millard

WR: Jeremy Maclin, Rod Streater, Da'Ron Brown
WR: Chris Conley, Jordan Payton, Frankie Hammond Jr
WR: Albert Wilson, De'Anthony Thomas, Fred Williams
TE: Travis Kelce, James O'Shaughnessy, Demetrius Harris, Brian Parker

LT: Eric Fisher, Laurence Gibson, Caleb Benenoch
LG: Mitch Morse, Jarrod Pughsley
C: Zach Fulton, {Mitch Morse}, Daniel Munyer
RG: Jah Reid, Laurent Duvarney-Tardif
RT: Mitchell Schwartz, Paul Fanaika, Reid Fragel

DE: Dontari Poe, Nicholas Williams
NT: Jaye Howard, Maliek Collins, Alameda Ta'amu
DE: Allen Bailey, Rakeem Nunez-Roches

OLB: Tamba Hali, Frank Zombo, Jon Massaquoi
ILB: Josh Mauga, Ramik Wilson, DJ Alexander
ILB: Derrick Johnson, Justin March
OLB: Justin Houston, Dee Ford, Dezman Moses

CB: Marcus Peters, Artie Burns, Marcus Cooper
CB: Mackensie Alexander, Steven Nelson
CB: Phillip Gaines
SS: Eric Berry, Daniel Sorenson, Stevie Brown
FS: Ron Parker, Jimmy Wilson, Jamell Fleming

K: Cairo Santos
P: Dustin Colquitt
LS: James Winchester

32 team draft as unfolded

Round 1

1 1 1 Tennessee DB Jalen Ramsey Florida St
1 2 2 Cleveland QB Carson Wentz North Dakota St
1 3 3 San Diego LT Laremy Tunsil Ole Miss
1 4 4 Dallas DL Joey Bosa Ohio St
1 5 5 Philadelphia QB Jared Goff Cal
1 6 6 New York Giants: LB/RB Myles Jack UCLA
1 7 7 San Francisco DL DeForest Buckner Oregon
1 8 8 Jacksonville CB Vernon Hargreaves Florida
1 9 9 Tampa Bay LT Ronnie Stanley Notre Dame
1 10 10 Baltimore DL Sheldon Rankins Louisville
1 11 11 Chicago LT Jack Conklin Michigan St
1 12 12 Cleveland RB Ezekiel Elliott Ohio St
1 13 13 Denver QB Paxton Lynch Memphis
1 14 14 Minnesota WR Laquon Treadwell Ole Miss
1 15 15 Los Angeles Rams CB William Jackson Houston
1 16 16 Detroit T Taylor Decker Ohio State
1 17 17 Atlanta DE Shaq Lawson Clemson
1 18 18 Indianapolis LB Jaylon Smith Notre Dame
1 19 19 Buffalo LB Reggie Ragland Alabama
1 20 20 New York Jets OLB Leonard Floyd Georgia
1 21 21 Washington DT Andrew Billings Baylor
1 22 22 Miami CB Eli Apple Ohio St
1 23 23 Oakland DL Robert Nkemdiche Ole Miss
1 24 24 Cincinnati DT A'Shawn Robinson Alabama
1 25 25 Tampa Bay DE Noah Spence Eastern Kentucky
1 26 26 Seattle T Jason Spriggs Indiana
1 27 27 Green Bay DT Vernon Butler Louisiana Tech
1 28 28 Kansas City CB Mackensie Alexander Clemson
1 30 29 Arizona QB Cardale Jones Ohio St
1 31 30 Carolina DE Kevin Dodd Clemson
1 32 31 Miami G Cody Whitehair Kansas St

ROUND 2
ROUND ROUND PICK OVERALL
2 1 32 New Orleans DE Emmanuel Ogbah Oklahoma St
2 2 33 Tennessee T Shon Coleman Auburn
2 3 34 Dallas RB Derrick Henry Alabama
2 4 35 San Diego LB Darron Lee Ohio St
2 5 36 Houston WR Corey Coleman Baylor
2 6 37 San Francisco WR Josh Doctson TCU
2 7 38 Jacksonville C Ryan Kelly Alabama
2 8 39 Pittsburgh S Karl Joseph West Virginia
2 9 40 New York Giants WR Leonte Carroo Rutgers
2 10 41 Chicago DT Chris Jones Mississippi St
2 11 42 Houston DT Austin Johnson Penn St
2 12 43 Los Angeles WR Will Fuller Notre Dame
2 13 44 Oakland DL Jonathan Bullard Florida
2 14 45 Oakland S Darian Thompson Boise St
2 15 46 Detroit LB Su'a Cravens USC
2 16 47 New Orleans T German Ifedi Texas A & M
2 17 48 Indianapolis G Vadal Alexander LSU
2 18 49 Buffalo DT Jarran Reed Alabama
2 19 50 Atlanta WR Michael Thomas Ohio St
2 20 51 New York Jets WR Tyler Boyd Pittsburgh
2 21 52 Baltimore G Christian Westerman Arizona St
2 22 53 Washington LB Kentrell Brothers Missouri
2 23 54 Minnesota S Vonn Bell Ohio St
2 24 55 Cincinnati WR Sterling Shepard Oklahoma
2 25 56 Seattle DT Kenny Clark UCLA
2 26 57 Green Bay T La'raven Clark Texas Tech
2 27 58 Pittsburgh OLB Shilique Calhoun Michigan St
2 28 59 Kansas City CB Artie Burns Miami
2 29 60 New England CB Kendall Fuller Virginia Tech
2 30 61 New England WR Braxton Miller Ohio State
2 31 62 San Francisco G Josh Garnett Stanford
2 32 63 Houston TE Hunter Henry Arkansas

ROUND 3
3 1 64 Tennessee OLB Jordan Jenkins Georgia
3 2 65 Cleveland ILB David Perry Ohio State
3 3 66 San Diego DT Adolphus Washington Ohio St
3 4 67 Dallas QB Connor Cook Michigan St
3 5 68 Carolina SS Keanu Neal Florida
3 6 69 Jacksonville DE Carl Nassib Penn St
3 7 70 Baltimore DL Dean Lowry Northwestern
3 8 71 Baltimore CB James Bradberry Samford
3 9 72 Chicago TE Austin Hooper Stanford
3 10 73 Miami LB Scooby Wright III Arizona
3 11 74 Tampa Bay DT Javon Hargrave South Carolina St
3 12 75 Los Angeles Rams QB Dak Prescott Miss St
3 13 76 Los Angeles Rams S Miles Killebrew Southern Utah
3 14 77 Philadelphia DL Sheldon Day Notre Dame
3 15 78 New Orleans S Justin Simmons Boston College
3 16 79 Jacksonville OLB Kyler Fackrell Utah St
3 17 80 Buffalo OBL Kamalei Correa Boise St
3 18 81 Atlanta SS Jeremy Cash Duke
3 19 82 Indianapolis C Nick Martin Notre Dame
3 20 83 New York Jets CB Xavien Howard Baylor
3 21 84 Washington WR Charone Peake Clemson
3 22 85 Baltimore C Jack Allen Michigan St
3 23 86 Los Angeles DE Charles Tapper Oklahoma
3 24 87 Cincinnati CB Harlan Miller SE Louisiana
3 25 88 Green Bay ILB Tyler Matakevich Temple
3 26 89 Pittsburgh DL Willie Henry Michigan
3 27 90 Seattle S Sean Davis Maryland
3 29 91 New England DE Bronson Kaufusi Brigham Young
3 30 92 Arizona CB Diondre Hall Northern Iowa
3 31 93 Carolina CB Will Redmond Mississippi St
3 32 94 Miami S Tj Green Clemson
3 33 95 Detroit WR Rashard Higgins Colorado St
3 34 96 New England T Willie Beavers Western Michigan
3 35 97 Seattle G Connor McGovern Missouri
3 36 98 Denver DT Hassan Ridgeway Texas

ROUND 4
ROUND ROUND PICK OVERALL
4 1 99 Cleveland S KJ Dillon West Virginia
4 2 100 Philadelphia RB Devontae Booker Utah
4 3 101 Dallas CB DJ White Georgia
4 4 102 San Diego C Evan Boehm Missouri
4 5 103 Jacksonville T Jerald Hawkins LSU
4 6 104 Baltimore RB CJ Prosise Notre Dame
4 7 105 San Francisco LB Blake Martinez Stanford
4 8 106 Chicago DE Jihad Ward Illinois
4 9 107 Miami RB Jordan Howard Indiana/UAB
4 10 108 Pittsburgh S Kei'Vare Russell Notre Dame
4 11 109 Pittsburgh WR Pharoah Cooper South Carolina
4 12 110 Los Angeles G Sebastien Tretola Arkansas
4 13 111 Detroit RB Kenneth Dixon LA Tech
4 14 112 Kansas City DT Maliek Collins Nebraska
4 15 113 Tennessee S Kevin Byard Middle Tennessee St
4 16 114 Los Angeles WR Kolby Listenbee TCU
4 17 115 Atlanta G Landon Turner UNC
4 18 116 Indianapolis S DeAndre Houston-Carson William & Mary
4 19 117 Buffalo WR Kenny Lawler Cal
4 20 118 Minnesota LB Deion Jones LSU
4 21 119 Houston C Max Tuerk USC
4 22 120 New Orleans Cb Cyrus Jones Alabama
4 23 121 New York Jets TE Jerrell Adams South Carolina
4 24 122 Cincinnati G Joe Dahl Washington St
4 25 123 Oakland T Kyle Murphy Stanford
4 26 124 Seattle RB Paul Perkins UCLA
4 27 125 Green Bay RB Alex Collins Arkansas
4 28 126 Kansas City WR Jordan Payton UCLA
4 29 127 Chicago WR Keyarris Garrett Tulsa
4 30 128 Arizona OLB Yannick Ngakoue Maryland
4 31 129 Carolina S Jalen Mills LSU
4 32 130 Houston QB Christian Hackenburg PSU
4 33 131 Green Bay CB Maurice Canady Virginia
4 34 132 Baltimore OLB Matt Judon Grand Valley St
4 35 133 San Francisco CB Zach Sanchez Oklahoma
4 36 134 Baltimore S Kavon Frazier Central Michigan
4 37 135 Dallas T Fahn Cooper Ole Miss
4 38 136 Denver G Isaac Seumalo Oregon St
4 39 137 Green Bay TE Nick Vannett Ohio St
4 40 138 Cleveland WR De'Runnya Wilson
4 41 139 Buffalo ILB Dominique Alexander Oklahoma

ROUND 5
ROUND ROUND PICK OVERALL TEAM
5 1 140 Oakland FS Justin Burris NC State
5 2 141 Cleveland DT DJ Reader Clemson
5 3 142 San Francisco WR Malcolm Mitchell Georgia
5 4 143 Pittsburgh T Joe Haeg North Dakota St
5 5 144 Denver S Tyvis Powell OSU
5 6 145 San Francisco T John Theus Georgia
5 7 146 Jacksonville WR Demarucs Robinson Florida
5 8 147 Miami DL Ronald Blair Appalachian St
5 9 148 Tampa Bay CB Rashard Robinson LSU
5 10 149 New York Giants DE Tyrone Holmes Montana
5 11 150 Chicago RB Keith Marshall Georgia
5 12 151 Detroit DE Dadi Nicholas Virginia Tech
5 13 152 New Orleans WR Mitch Matthews BYU
5 14 153 Philadelphia RB Kenyan Drake Alabama
5 15 154 Oakland ILB Nick Vigil Utah St
5 17 155 Indianapolis WR Aaron Burbridge Mich St
5 18 156 Buffalo G Rees Odhiambo Boise St
5 20 157 Denver RB Jonathan WIlliams Arkansas
5 21 158 Washington DE Shawn Oakman Oregon
5 22 159 Kansas City QB Kevin Hogan Stanford
5 23 160 Minnesota CB Eric Murray Minnesota
5 24 161 Cincinnati K Roberto Aguayo Florida St
5 25 162 New Orleans RB Wendel Smallwood West Virginia
5 26 163 Green Bay DE Paul Fanaika Utah St
5 27 164 Philadelphia LB Eric Striker Oklahoma
5 28 165 Baltimore T Chase Farris Ohio St
5 29 166 Houston DT Matt Ioannidis Temple
5 30 167 Arizona LB Josh Forrest Kentucky
5 31 168 Carolina WR Tajae Sharpe UMass
5 32 169 Detroit QB Brandon Doughty Western Kentucky
5 33 170 Arizona SS Jayron Kearse Clemson
5 34 171 Seattle WR Bralon Addison Oregon
5 35 172 Cleveland WR Cody Core Ole Miss
5 36 173 Cleveland OL Avery Young Auburn
5 37 174 San Francisco G Graham Glasgow Michigan
5 38 175 San Diego TE Thomas Duarte UCLA

ROUND 6
ROUND ROUND PICK OVERALL TEAM
176 Cleveland LB Jatavis Brown Akron
177 Tennessee TE Henry Kreiger-Coble Iowa
178 Carolina G Darrell Green San Jose St
179 San Diego QB Jacoby Brissett NC State
180 Minnesota T Spencer Drango Baylor
181 Jacksonville RB Daniel Lasco Cal
182 Baltimore WR Byron Marshall Oregon
183 Tampa Bay WR Roger Lewis Bowling Green
184 New York Giants S Clayton Fejedelm Illinois
185 Chicago OLB Victor Ochi Stony Brook
186 Miami CB Kevon Seymour USC
187 Washington TE Bryce Williams East Carolina
188 Philadelphia RB Tyler Ervin SJ State
189 Dallas WR Max McCaffrey Duke
190 Los Angeles FB Glenn Gronkowski Kansas St
191 Detroit CB Briean Boddy-Calhoun Minnesota
192 Buffalo WR Paul McRoberts Southeast Missouri St
193 Tennessee WR Marquez North Tennessee
194 Oakland LB Aaron Wallace UCLA
195 Houston CB Michael Jordan Missouri Western
196 New England LB Nick Kwiatkoski West Virginia
197 Tampa Bay RB Kelvin Taylor Florida
198 San Diego Rico Geathers TE Baylor
199 Cincinnati WR Jay Lee Baylor
200 Green Bay P Tom Hackett Utah
201 Jacksonville TE Ben Braunecker Harvard
202 Detroit TE Temarrick Hemingway South Carolina St
6 28 203 Indianapolis OLB James Cowser Southern Utah
6 29 204 New England RB Tra Carson Texas A & M
6 30 205 Arizona TE Jake McGee Florida
6 31 206 Chicago CB Tavon Young Temple
6 32 207 San Francisco RB Josh Ferguson Illinois
6 33 208 New England WR Keenan Reynolds Navy
6 34 209 Baltimore LB Elandon Roberts Houston
6 35 210 Detroit DL Anthony Zettel Penn St
6 36 211 San Francisco QB Vernon Adams Oregon
6 37 212 Dallas DT Greg Milhouse Campbell
6 38 213 San Francisco Stephen Weatherly OLB Vanderbilt
6 39 214 New England G Eric Mac Lain Clemson
6 40 215 Seattle TE Tyler Higbee Western Kentucky
6 41 216 Dallas S Brian Randolph Tennessee
6 42 217 Dallas DL Drew Iddings South Dakota
6 43 218 Buffalo CB LeShaun Sims Southern Utah
6 44 219 Denver CB Morgan Burns Kansas St
6 45 220 Pittsburgh S Trae Elston Ole Miss
6 46 221 New England WR Devin Lucien Arizona St

ROUND 7
ROUND ROUND PICK OVERALL TEAM
7 1 222 Tennessee DE Jon Woodard Central Arkansas
7 2 223 Cleveland CB Daryl Worley West Virginia
7 3 224 San Diego P Drew Kaser Texas A & M
7 4 225 Seattle WR Jaydon Mickens Washington
7 5 226 Houston T Cole Toner Harvard
7 6 227 Miami DE Romeo Okwara Notre Dame
7 7 228 Denver T Brandon Shell South Carolina
7 8 229 Pittsburgh LB Beniquez Brown Miss St
7 9 230 Chicago S Deon Bush Miami
7 10 231 Miami OLB Travis Feeney Washington
7 11 232 Pittsburgh QB Brandon Allen Arkansas
7 12 233 Philadelphia OLB Joe Schobert Cal
7 13 234 Teneessee TE Stephen Alexander Cal
7 14 235 Denver RB DeAndre Washington Texas Tech
7 15 236 Detroit CB Jonathan Jones Auburn
7 16 237 New Orleans OL Sebastien Johanssen Marshall
7 17 238 Atlanta TE Beau Sandland Montana St
7 18 239 Indianapolis G Parker Ehringer Cincinnati
7 19 240 New York Jets OL Joe Thuney NC State
7 20 241 New York Jets FB Dan Vitale Northwestern
7 21 242 Kansas City T Caleb Benenoch UCLA
7 22 243 New England QB Jeff Driskel Louisiana Tech
7 23 244 Oakland RB Darius Jackson Eastern Washington
7 24 245 Cincinnati QB Nate Sudfeld Indiana
7 25 246 Pittsburgh DT Vincent Valentine Nebraska
7 26 247 Seattle G Denver Kirkland Arkansas
7 27 248 Green Bay CB Ken Crawley Colorado
7 28 249 Baltimore LB De'Vondre Campbell Minnesota
7 29 250 New England LB Dillon Lee Alabama
7 30 251 Jacksonville CB Donte Deayon Boise St
7 31 252 Carolina WR Moritz Boehringer
7 32 253 Denver DE Aziz Shi ttu Stanford

The Franchise

04-22-2016, 07:12 AM

Trade Spencer Ware? Fucking stupid.

The Franchise

04-22-2016, 07:13 AM

And I don't know if you've heard but the Titans and Browns don't have # 1 and 2 anymore.

Sandy Vagina

04-22-2016, 08:07 AM

And I don't know if you've heard but the Titans and Browns don't have # 1 and 2 anymore.

Yes, well aware. This group mock progressed prior to the trades.

I like Ware just fine, but we really don't need him. To get a 4th and 7th for him was imo good value, and made the draft process more fun.

Unfortunate that you only focus on a couple of negatives. Left to guess you liked nothing about it then. http://www.amibay.com/images/smilies/shrug.gif

BigChiefFan

04-22-2016, 08:34 AM

I love your first pick. Alexander is the best CB in the draft. I also like Burns, but I don't think we need to take two CBs in this draft.

CleveSteve

04-22-2016, 08:44 AM

I feel your pain. I was doing my own mock and was on pick #243 when the announcement came in over my phone that the Browns traded out of 2. I'm taking the family to New Orleans this weekend so there will be no 7 rounder from me this year.

FWIW, this is how it shook out for KC:
28: William Jackson, CB Houston
59: Tyler Boyd, WR Pitt
126: Jihad Ward, DE Illinois
162: Alex Redmond, OG UCLA
165: Tavon Young, CB Temple
203: Jarred Norris, ILB Utah
Didn't get to 249, probably would have been either Jamie Byrd, FS South Florida or Deion Bush, FS Miami based on who was left.

Sandy Vagina

04-22-2016, 08:53 AM

I love your first pick. Alexander is the best CB in the draft. I also like Burns, but I don't think we need to take two CBs in this draft.

Cool. Let's say we draft Alexander in rd 1. Then the depth chart is?

1. Peters
2. Alexander
3. Gaines

4. Nelson
5. Cooper

Now maybe the top 3 stay healthy all year. Maybe Nelson turns out to be something. Do we really want to rely on that? and could we really feel comfortable with the talent in this depth chart?

I can definitely see a reason to not draft a CB in rd 1 and rd 2.. but that's how I felt the value played out in the draft listed in the OP. I was really hoping that Sterling Shepard would have fallen 4 more spots to the KC pick at 59.

Does anyone know or like much about WR Jordan Payton that I drafted in rd 4? I really like him, and think he can be that safe and solid #2 if somehow Conley doesn't step up.

Sandy Vagina

04-22-2016, 08:55 AM

CleveSteve

04-22-2016, 09:01 AM

1 2 2 Cleveland QB Carson Wentz North Dakota St
1 12 12 Cleveland RB Ezekiel Elliott Ohio St
3 2 65 Cleveland ILB David Perry Ohio State
4 1 99 Cleveland S KJ Dillon West Virginia
4 40 138 Cleveland WR De'Runnya Wilson
5 2 141 Cleveland DT DJ Reader Clemson
5 35 172 Cleveland WR Cody Core Ole Miss
5 36 173 Cleveland OL Avery Young Auburn
6 1 176 Cleveland LB Jatavis Brown Akron
7 2 223 Cleveland CB Daryl Worley West Virginia

I can't tell you how much I hate this draft. I cringe to think what the Browns gave up to move from 32 to 12 to get Elliot. My favorite pick is probably KJ Dillon at the top of the fourth and that position isn't even one of our top 5 needs. I know this was drafted by another guy, I just wanted to point it out.

Sandy Vagina

04-22-2016, 09:12 AM

I know this was drafted by another guy, I just wanted to point it out.

Yeah, Browns were being managed by a Steelers fan that lives in Cleveland. http://www.amibay.com/images/smilies/shrug.gif

I believe he was really trying to do right by you, but hey... sometimes you strike out.

CleveSteve

04-22-2016, 10:27 AM

Yeah, Browns were being managed by a Steelers fan that lives in Cleveland. http://www.amibay.com/images/smilies/shrug.gif

I believe he was really trying to do right by you, but hey... sometimes you strike out.

Yeah I definitely think he was trying... a QB, 2 WRs, a RT, a CB, a safety, and an inside linebacker is a by-the-book draft for the Browns, and the selections are all realistic, I just happen to not like the players he put there. Also, while I like Elliot, I'm not sure that he's worth #32 plus a 1st rounder or plus Joe Thomas or plus Joe Haden, and I have to think that's what the trade was. Thanks for posting the full draft though! Always fun to see what other people come up with.

DaneMcCloud

04-22-2016, 11:47 AM

Trading Spencer Ware? :facepalm:

Fucking go back to the 49ers, Assclown.

The Franchise

04-22-2016, 12:16 PM

There is zero chance that I'm passing on Darron Lee for fucking Alexander.

Where did this mock take place at?

Sandy Vagina

04-22-2016, 02:52 PM

Where did this mock take place at?

at your mom's house. We all took turns on her after each round.

The Franchise

04-22-2016, 02:57 PM

at your mom's house. We all took turns on her after each round.

Maybe you guys should pay less attention fucking my mom and more to your mock draft because it's one of the worst I've ever seen.

Chief Northman

04-22-2016, 06:13 PM

Maybe you guys should pay less attention ****ing my mom and more to your mock draft because it's one of the worst I've ever seen.

ROFL

gonefishin53

04-22-2016, 07:56 PM

Spencer Ware averaged 5.6 yards per rush attempt behind the Chiefs 2015 Oline. Using the Drafttek trade value chart, that's trading a 5.6 yd/att RB who can also play FB for the 31st pick in the 4th round. Thank God John Dorsey isn't that stupid.

Chief Roundup

04-22-2016, 09:37 PM

I don't care for the back to back CB picks as others have mentioned. I also don't believe that Benonech will be there in the 7th since he has a 3rd round grade most places.

DaneMcCloud

04-22-2016, 09:51 PM

This guy is dumber than fuck.

Dave Lane

04-22-2016, 11:00 PM

This guy is dumber than ****.

Are you just now noticing?

Sandy Vagina

04-22-2016, 11:09 PM

I don't care for the back to back CB picks as others have mentioned. I also don't believe that Benonech will be there in the 7th since he has a 3rd round grade most places.

Well, wouldn't that be a nice selection, in that case?

Have any of you actually assessed a mock draft with any sense of.. what if?

The sense of posting a mock is.. what if.. this was the conclusion at the end of the draft?

Overall... if.. good? bad? be happy? sad? angry?

It's not about if you hate my guts... but the butthurt agenda is.. both disappointing.. and.. expected.. from what CP has to offer.

kccrow

04-23-2016, 02:17 AM

Sandy Vagina

04-23-2016, 07:06 AM

Double-dipping on CB in 1 and 2 would piss me off. I'd live with Alexander in 1. Would love Burns in 2 comparatively.

Benenoch is probably a 3rd-4th round guy at RT. Would be a steal in round 7. In other words, unlikely to happen.

Spencer Ware is the last RB I want KC to trade away. Literally could live with the trade of any other back but him.

Payton is slow but he gets open and he can catch. I wouldn't be pissed. I wouldn't be elated though either.

If KC takes a QB late, I'm hoping it's someone that looks better throwing the football, like an Allen out of Arkansas, or is a project with huge upside, like Driskel. I'm not a big fan of Hogan.

I actually like Maliek Collins in the 4th.

Overall, kind of ho-hum for me. I just have a hard time getting over back-to-back CBs (not necessary) and trading Ware.

Okay. Finally some worthwhile comments.

I guess I'm not surprised by the lack of joy from trading Ware. Again, it just gave me another decent pick to work with.. and as good as he or any of the RBs are.. we won't struggle in the running game without one.

Picking at #28 and #59.. and getting two top 50 players at the largest need position.. the negative opinions on this does surprise me a bit. Maybe some just trust the depth we have more than I do.

Good to know that you seem to view Maliek as a feasible fit in a 3-4 D.. some do not.

Payton isn't a blazer, that's for sure.. but his length, 4.47 -40, 4.58 -10, and other numbers match what I see.. he's no Bowe turtle.. and sure feels like a safe prospect to emerge as a solid WR2. Of course, Conley will have a say in this.

Worthwhile comments appreciated. :thumb:

ILChief

04-23-2016, 07:09 AM

Other than the second rounder, I'm fine with it. No way we go CB in rounds 1 and 2. Especially since we don't have a third

Sandy Vagina

04-23-2016, 07:15 AM

Other than the second rounder, I'm fine with it. No way we go CB in rounds 1 and 2. Especially since we don't have a third

Cool. You want to share from the draft order in the OP which player you'd have chosen in rd 2 instead? (just curious)

milkman

04-23-2016, 08:11 AM

kccrow

04-23-2016, 10:13 AM

Cool. You want to share from the draft order in the OP which player you'd have chosen in rd 2 instead? (just curious)

If I was drafting this scenario, I would have had an insanely difficult time passing on Corey Coleman in round 1.

If you'd have insisted on Alexander in 1, then I'd have taken Josh Garnett in round 2.

RealSNR

04-23-2016, 10:34 AM

SAUTO

04-23-2016, 10:37 AM

DaneMcCloud

04-23-2016, 11:26 AM

I wouldn't be upset to come out of the first two rounds with Alexander and burns.

If the Chiefs go two secondary picks in the first two rounds, I'd rather see Vonn Bell and Burns/Howard than Alexander & Burns.

Bell could rotate with Berry and Parker as well as jump down into the slot or cover TE's.

It would give the Chiefs a little more versatility and depth, IMO.

Sandy Vagina

04-23-2016, 11:36 AM

If I was drafting this scenario, I would have had an insanely difficult time passing on Corey Coleman in round 1.

If you'd have insisted on Alexander in 1, then I'd have taken Josh Garnett in round 2.

Okay. In this scenario.. being me calling the shots (scary, I know!).. I have the OL starters set at Fisher-Morse-Fulton-Reid vs LDT-Schwartz.

Point being, I didn't feel a need for an early OG at all.

As for Coleman.. not a poor choice exactly.. but I don't like the lack of size and arm length. To be honest, I have not watched that much of him to judge.

Sandy Vagina

04-23-2016, 11:41 AM

Dorsey just extended both West and Ware this offseason. The team likes those two players. A lot. Barring a team overpaying for them (something like a 1st rounder, which would never happen) we're not giving either player away for just a 4th rounder.

I know it's just a mock, but come on. Mocks are worthless without even a hint of realism.

So the lack of realism kills the fantasy mock? There's no hint of realism for a mock just because a 3rd string RB was traded?

At any rate, it's interesting that people are so hung up on this one aspect.

Have any opinion on the other aspects, or did the Ware trade just soil it all to the point where nothing else matters?

RealSNR

04-23-2016, 11:46 AM

So the lack of realism kills the fantasy mock? There's no hint of realism for a mock just because a 3rd string RB was traded?

At any rate, it's interesting that people are so hung up on this one aspect.

Have any opinion on the other aspects, or did the Ware trade just soil it all to the point where nothing else matters?

It's a pretty glaring eye-roll moment.

Ware isn't going to be used as a 3rd string RB in 2016 and beyond barring an unpredictable drop off in his strength, motor, vision, or if some off-the-field crap gets pulled.

Just a question: who do you think was better in 2015: West or Ware?

kccrow

04-23-2016, 11:52 AM

So the lack of realism kills the fantasy mock? There's no hint of realism for a mock just because a 3rd string RB was traded?

At any rate, it's interesting that people are so hung up on this one aspect.

Have any opinion on the other aspects, or did the Ware trade just soil it all to the point where nothing else matters?

He's the best young running back on the roster, and looks like he can be a lead back going forward. Jamaal Charles is at the end of his career. It's hard to muster up any respect for that trade. I'd have been much happier with a 4th this year and a 4th next year for Charles than I am with a 4th for Ware.

Sandy Vagina

04-23-2016, 12:59 PM

He's the best young running back on the roster, and looks like he can be a lead back going forward. Jamaal Charles is at the end of his career. It's hard to muster up any respect for that trade. I'd have been much happier with a 4th this year and a 4th next year for Charles than I am with a 4th for Ware.

That's fine. It's just a different perspective.

Ware was what? a 6th rd pick by Seahawks. Chiefs picked him up for nothing.. and here.. we turn nothing into an extra couple picks.

Charles isn't THAT close to the end.. unless he wants to be or gets another major injury.

So let me ask you.. do you feel the running game would be in trouble without Ware?

milkman

04-23-2016, 01:27 PM

Bowser

04-23-2016, 03:21 PM

Since I haven't really followed the prospects, I won't comment on the talent.

I guess I might be the only one that actually likes double dipping on CB in 1 and 2.

After Marcus Peters, the lack of depth or the inability to stay healthy at corner is concerning.

I agree that the health concern at corner is something to watch, but I don't like the idea of going corner 1-2. Of course, it all depends how the draft shapes up, but I really hope that isn't the plan of attack for them.

I am curious to see how Gaines rebounds this year. He looked to be on his way to a solid player before the injury. And am I the only one that thinks Steve Nelson has potential?

DaneMcCloud

04-23-2016, 03:52 PM

The Chiefs have had nothing short of awful experiences when drafting the same position 1-2 in the draft.

2009: Tyson Jackson, Alex Magee
2002: Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman
1996: Jerome Woods, Reggie Tongue (The best of bunch)
1994: Greg Hill, Donnell Bennett
1986: Paul Palmer, Christian Okoye
1985: Ethan Horton, Jonathan Hayes
1978: Art Still, Sylvester Hicks
1968: Mo Moorman, George Daney

While in some years, one of the players produced but it's just not a very sound strategy to draft the same exact position in rounds 1 & 2.

kccrow

04-23-2016, 04:09 PM

That's fine. It's just a different perspective.

Ware was what? a 6th rd pick by Seahawks. Chiefs picked him up for nothing.. and here.. we turn nothing into an extra couple picks.

Charles isn't THAT close to the end.. unless he wants to be or gets another major injury.

So let me ask you.. do you feel the running game would be in trouble without Ware?

This is multi-faceted. You have the subject of Charles and his future. Can Charles be the same Charles ever again? How much longer can he last? Probably not quite, and not very long. The NFL spits running backs out at the age of 30 with regularity. "Miles on the tires" seldom has much to do with it, rather its the time when athletes begin to slow slightly, and those with injuries tend to have an acceleration. Charles' game is predicated on his speed and agility. If he loses that, its game over. That might not happen fully this year, but it's going to happen soon.

West isn't a feature back in my opinion, and is more of a change of pace runner. He compliments Ware as the primary extremely well.

Then you have Ware, that you got for nothing. He's big, he's quick, he's agile, and he's decisive as a runner. He hits people. He's the type of back, like a Marshawn Lynch, that you can pound people with and lean on for tough yards. That dynamic was big for KC last year, and its something they've been lacking in the run game for years. Ware can function as a feature runner, and he proved it at the end of last season.

In my opinion, Knile Davis has proven he isn't worth a crap as a running back in the NFL. He's a decent kick returner, so maybe he makes a roster as mostly a special teams guy, but he is not a guy that can start for you either when you need to replace a guy.

So, what you're leaving yourself with is an old Charles, an okay complimentary back, and a guy that's mostly just a special teams player. Ultimately, you are going to have to end up spending draft resources to replace Ware. Why not just keep Ware and have a good 1-2 punch with West for the next few years?

Easy 6

04-23-2016, 04:26 PM

Like many others, just cant wrap my head around corners in the 1st and 2nd, its overkill

Even though its supposed to be a weak crop, I'd really prefer to find an OLB in the earlier rounds

Hali might not even make it through the season

Houston is a huge question mark at this point, Dorsey says he will play this season but when and how well?

And we all know the deal with Ford, plenty of promise... but plenty to worry about as well. All these things added up leaves me very worried, to be honest

Someone like a Kamalei Correa might be around for us in the 2nd, and what I'm reading says he could help with the pass rush immediately

SAUTO

04-23-2016, 04:27 PM

If the Chiefs go two secondary picks in the first two rounds, I'd rather see Vonn Bell and Burns/Howard than Alexander & Burns.

Bell could rotate with Berry and Parker as well as jump down into the slot or cover TE's.

It would give the Chiefs a little more versatility and depth, IMO.
I might be ok with this too

Sweet Daddy Hate

04-23-2016, 04:31 PM

Look at Sandy picking a QB waaayyyyyyy back at the ass end of nowhere.

Is he is in the right place or what?!?!?

Easy 6

04-23-2016, 04:42 PM

Look at Sandy picking a QB waaayyyyyyy back at the ass end of nowhere.

Is he is in the right place or what?!?!?

Dude, we're just not in a position to go after a top QB this year... a low round project is the best its gonna get, and I personally doubt we take one at all, although there are a few interesting guys to think about

Hogan was a pretty fair choice by Sandy, then you've also got guys like Coker or a Driskel

Sweet Daddy Hate

04-23-2016, 04:44 PM

]Dude, we're just not in a position to go after a top QB this year... a low round project is the best its gonna get,[/B] and I personally doubt we take one at all, although there are a few interesting guys to think about

Hogan was a pretty fair choice by Sandy, then you've also got guys like Coker or a Driskel

Wha?

I'm sorry, I just experienced eleventy billion years of deja-vu, both past and forthcoming.

Carry on.

Easy 6

04-23-2016, 04:49 PM

Wha?

I'm sorry, I just experienced eleventy billion years of deja-vu, both past and forthcoming.

Carry on.

LMAO seriously man, what should Dorsey do, give away the farm for a lottery ticket?

Its not like there are a bunch of great prospects this year, after the top 3-4 the dropoff is steep, imagine what we'd have to give up to go get one of those top 3-4... it would be insane and suicidal

Sandy Vagina

04-23-2016, 04:55 PM

So, what you're leaving yourself with is an old Charles, an okay complimentary back, and a guy that's mostly just a special teams player. Ultimately, you are going to have to end up spending draft resources to replace Ware. Why not just keep Ware and have a good 1-2 punch with West for the next few years?

Yeah. I really think this is fair enough. While I won't agree that the trade was stupid or brutal consequences for KC, I can appreciate the notion that it's best to hold onto Ware. Again, I do really like him. Guess I didn't like the idea of so many RBs, and having to divvy up the snaps between them. In the long term, yeah.. I'm pretty happy with keeping them all.

Also took note of your thoughts on all of this, Easy 6.

As for QBs, I really liked when KC selected Aaron Murray. Will he ever be a worthy QB1? eh, probably not... same goes for Bray and Hogan. I think any of them could work their way into a solid #2 Chase-type.. that can keep a winning team afloat for short spells during a brief injury to QB1.

Beyond the top 15, I don't see any of these draftee QBs as being any more likely to become great starters.. so no.. not a year for KC to bother with one on day 1 or 2.

O.city

04-23-2016, 04:59 PM

You don't trade ware, you cut davis. Easy

Sandy Vagina

04-23-2016, 05:09 PM

You don't trade ware, you cut davis. Easy

Yeah got it. So what would you expect or want the run ratio of the three to be?

Say we run the ball 430 times.. rough balance between the last 2 years.

JC gets? 200 attempts ( a measly 12-13 carries per game for such a great RB? )
Alex gonna get? say 70 (amounts to 4 carries/scrambles per game)
West gets? 80 (amounts to 5 carries per game)
Ware gets? 80 (amounts to 5 carries per game)

?

O.city

04-23-2016, 05:14 PM

Yeah got it. So what would you expect or want the run ratio of the three to be?

Say we run the ball 430 times.. rough balance between the last 2 years.

JC gets? 200 attempts ( a measly 12-13 carries per game for such a great RB? )
Alex gonna get? say 70 (amounts to 4 carries/scrambles per game)
West gets? 80 (amounts to 5 carries per game)
Ware gets? 80 (amounts to 5 carries per game)

?

Game by game. I'd be more inclined to use Charles more in the DAT role and get him more touches outside.

To me, west is kind of meh. He's not bad, but I don't think he's great.

RealSNR

04-23-2016, 05:19 PM

The Chiefs will have to and probably should rely on John Dorsey's dumpster diving skills to round out the CB and possibly S depth. If I had to wager, I'd bet that a CB is one of our picks in the first two rounds, but as for the short depth, I don't think Dorsey is going to worry too much about "stocking up" to shore up a position group, particularly since he already did that last draft by going CB in rounds 1 and 3.

If the board falls that way, then sure, but I don't expect it to.

Easy 6

04-23-2016, 05:22 PM

Yeah got it. So what would you expect or want the run ratio of the three to be?

Say we run the ball 430 times.. rough balance between the last 2 years.

JC gets? 200 attempts ( a measly 12-13 carries per game for such a great RB? )
Alex gonna get? say 70 (amounts to 4 carries/scrambles per game)
West gets? 80 (amounts to 5 carries per game)
Ware gets? 80 (amounts to 5 carries per game)

?

I agree with O City, JC will get pass catching opportunities which will up the number of touches... I just hope, Hope, HOPE that Reid stops it with the blatant, mindnumbing screens, get JC downfield/out in the open with a head of steam when he gets the ball

Reduce Wests number, Ware is the better workhorse by far

Sweet Daddy Hate

04-23-2016, 06:28 PM

LMAO seriously man, what should Dorsey do, give away the farm for a lottery ticket?

Its not like there are a bunch of great prospects this year, after the top 3-4 the dropoff is steep, imagine what we'd have to give up to go get one of those top 3-4... it would be insane and suicidal

Again, that deja-vu! Oh lawdy, hep' me! LMAO

Chief Roundup

04-23-2016, 06:33 PM

Well, wouldn't that be a nice selection, in that case?

Have any of you actually assessed a mock draft with any sense of.. what if?

The sense of posting a mock is.. what if.. this was the conclusion at the end of the draft?

Overall... if.. good? bad? be happy? sad? angry?

It's not about if you hate my guts... but the butthurt agenda is.. both disappointing.. and.. expected.. from what CP has to offer.

Why is it that when people ask what other people think or post something for comment, that when they don't get the response they wanted they cry foul?

I don't hate you dude. I am a Chiefs fan I will be happy about most things or find a way to be when the need arises and we all know that we have to far too often.
I understand this is a draft you and some buddies did similar probably in most ways to the one the guys do here on the Planet. Therefore it is hard to get much emotion either way because it is just not realistic. It stops becoming fun when people get upset over a hypothetical that is suppose to be just for fun.

Sandy Vagina

04-23-2016, 07:30 PM

Why is it that when people ask what other people think or post something for comment, that when they don't get the response they wanted they cry foul?

Who is crying foul? There is nothing upsetting or disturbing about any of this. I am interested in what people think. This is CP, dude. You think I of all people would post this, if I was worried about getting upset at the responses? Not at all. I even expected most of the worthless comments.. and was glad to get the more useful ones.. which opened up discussion on different ways the Chiefs should go.

Stop with the drama.. there is none. No one is crying foul. It's just a different perspective on prospects and the trade of a good but imho not remarkably necessary RB.

It's a fantasy, silly mock.. nothing more. I accept and am good with all relevant comments about it.. good or bad.

ILChief

04-24-2016, 06:50 AM

Cool. You want to share from the draft order in the OP which player you'd have chosen in rd 2 instead? (just curious)

Braxton Miller without hesitation

Sandy Vagina

04-24-2016, 10:29 AM

Braxton Miller without hesitation

Interesting choice. I like Miller as a fit, but feel due to how raw he is at WR, might be a little early for him at #59... though I can see some team doing so in rd 2. I would think KC might want a more ready WR.

TigeRRUppeRRcut

04-25-2016, 07:59 PM

I like Hogan on a 3 year developmental plan. Plenty of time to fix his mechanics. Murray vs. Hogan in 2018-2019

Sweet Daddy Hate

04-26-2016, 06:43 AM

I like Hogan on a 3 year developmental plan. Plenty of time to fix his mechanics. Murray vs. Hogan in 2018-2019

Hogan would be a good pickup. I like Hogan.