Make Our Second Round Picks

[Bowser]

Since we missed out on the top corners and receivers, where do we go. SPEAK AND BE HEARD

[gblowfish]

What time does the draft resume today?

[The Franchise]

Sheldon Day.
Nick Martin.

[Bowser]

I think we should take Shepard with our first second rounder. We are sitting in a position that's not conducive to our needs. Take Shepard, than hope Alexander, Whitehair, or Noah Spence somehow fall to us?

[Bowser]

What time does the draft resume today?

6pm central, I think?

[BigChiefFan]

DE Jonathan Bullard and TE Hunter Henry

[staylor26]

1. Mackensie Alexander
2. Christian Westerman

[Rausch]

6pm central, I think?

:facepalm:

Thanks for having me wake up at 3 am for me.

If Dorsey drafts a Kicker and an H-Back I might go full I(not)SIS..

[RunKC]

37. Michael Thomas
59. Xavien Howard

[The Franchise]

Seriously though.....


1. Mackenzie Alexander, CB
2. Sterling Shepard, WR

[Rausch]

37. Michael Thomas
59. Xavien Howard

Close.

Xavien will go top 12 in round 2...

[RunKC]

1. Mackensie Alexander
2. Christian Westerman

If we draft Westerman my jizz might hit the ceiling immediately out of pure excitement

[DaneMcCloud]

1. Mackensie Alexander
2. Sterling Shepard

[jd1020]

I don't know a thing about anyone so I'll take a stab based on measurables.

TJ Green - Dorseys workout warrior
Michael Thomas - since they reportedly really like the size of Treadwell

[The Franchise]

Seriously though.....


1. Mackenzie Alexander, CB
2. Sterling Shepard, WR

1. Mackensie Alexander
2. Sterling Shepard

Boom.

[BryanBusby]

Xavien Howard and Tyler Boyd

Trade back into the late 3rd and take Evan Boehm. Now you finally have a good draft.

[Rausch]

Xavien Howard and Tyler Boyd

Trade back into the late 3rd and take Evan Boehm. Now you finally have a good draft.

Interesting...

[The Franchise]

I don't know a thing about anyone so I'll take a stab based on measurables.

TJ Green - Dorseys workout warrior
Michael Thomas - since they reportedly really like the size of Treadwell

I'd be ok with those as well.

[Bowser]

Seriously though.....


1. Mackenzie Alexander, CB
2. Sterling Shepard, WR

1. Mackensie Alexander
2. Sterling ShepardThis is what I want, but I just have zero faith in Shepard making it to us with our second pick in the round. That's why I want us to take him with our first pick and hope Alexander free falls to us

I don't know a thing about anyone so I'll take a stab based on measurables.

TJ Green - Dorseys workout warrior
Michael Thomas - since they reportedly really like the size of Treadwell

I THINK I would like this, but is Green just a workout and numbers guy or can he play?

[TrebMaxx]

I am also in the 2a)Alexander, 2b)Shepard crowd.

[RunKC]

I think a WR would Be a waste of a pick here bc they won't do jack shit next year, but if we take one I want Michael Thomas.

Guy is 6'3 212 lbs with huge hands and is nasty. He's got fantastic lateral movement with a 6.8 3 cone. That's amazing for a guy that big.

Sean Davis and Kendall Fuller are projected to get picked today and this guy embarrassed them.

[jd1020]

I THINK I would like this, but is Green just a workout and numbers guy or can he play?

He sounds pretty raw to me. From what I've read he played mostly deep coverage so his man skills most likely arent that great and his tackling is suspect. But he's got the size and speed to play on the outside and he SHOULD have good ball skills since he's a converted WR.

[The Franchise]

Bet Thomas goes off the board before our pick.

[ModSocks]

Seriously though.....


1. Mackenzie Alexander, CB
2. Sterling Shepard, WR

1. Mackensie Alexander
2. Sterling Shepard

1. Sterling Shepard
2. Mackenzie Alexander

[Bowser]

Xavien Howard sounds intriguing....



Player Overview
Howard decided to make the jump to the NFL after earning first team All-Big 12 honors as a junior, leading Baylor with five interceptions and 10 pass break-ups to go along with 42 tackles.

A two-year starter, Howard started 13 games as a sophomore and was an honorable mention all-conference performer with 51 tackles, 1.5 sacks and a team-high four interceptions.


He played in every game as a reserve in 2013, including his first career start, and finished the season with five tackles and one interception.


A three-sport star who also played basketball and ran track for Wheatley High School in Houston, Howard redshirted his first season at Baylor in 2012.



Strengths Weaknesses
STRENGTHS: Sports a broad-shouldered, well-developed frame and excellent size, overall, for the position.

Well-versed in man coverage, typically lining up one-on-one opposite the opponent's top receiver. Balanced, coordinated athlete with the fluid hips to turn and run, showing steady acceleration and good (albeit not great) overall speed. Physical defender who uses his imposing build and long arms to subtly squeeze receivers toward the sideline, limiting the space into which quarterbacks can attack.


Quick, active hands to rip at the ball as it arrives. Shows good hands for the interception, recording 10 in just two seasons as a starter. Shows good awareness of underneath targets, quickly leaving his primary responsibility to defend against short passes and in run support.


Good vision, agility and competitiveness to fight past would-be blockers and is a very willing tackler, showing good extension and strength to make the effective wrap-up stop.


WEAKNESSES: Too physical for his own good, drawing too many flags for early contact with receivers. Lacks elite speed and like most tall cornerbacks, struggles a bit with smaller, quicker receivers, needing a step to gather himself while changing directions and sometimes losing his balance.


Loses track of the ball, at times, on sideline passes, opting to rip at the ball as the receiver attempts to catch it, rather than turning towards the quarterback to potentially secure the interception. Was protected by a fierce pass rush at Baylor, limiting the number of double-moves he faced.


Only a two-year starter at Baylor.


COMPARES TO: Byron Maxwell, Philadelphia Eagles - Maxwell earned a massive contract from the Eagles after racking up interceptions and big hits opposite All-Pro Richard Sherman in Seattle. If protected over the top with a rangy free safety, Howard has the size, physicality and ball-skills to continue his big-play ways in the NFL.


IN OUR VIEW: With his broad frame, Howard looks more like an NFL safety than a traditional cornerback, but he possesses the natural coverage skills and confidence to remain on the perimeter. After redshirting his first season and seeing limited action in 2013, he emerged as a standout in 2014 and hasn't looked back since, developing into one of the Big 12's best all-around corners. With patience, he should develop into a starter at the next level, as well, projecting best in a press-heavy scheme.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2001257/xavien-howard

[Rausch]

1. Sterling Shepard
2. Mackenzie Alexander

And here I thought we were tight...

[ChiefsCountry]

Junior Savai
Kris Wilson

[BryanBusby]

Just gotta keep your fingers crossed and hope he isn't a rapist too. What a fucking program down there.

[Sandy Vagina]

#37 - WR / Tyler Boyd / Pittsburgh

#59 - CB / T.J. Green / Clemson

trades up with Saints to #78

#78 - OG / Christian Westerman / Arizona State

day 3

adds depth and competition on DL and more secondary.

[Bowser]

Junior Savai
Kris Wilson

Hey look everyone, it's Carl! And he still gives zero fucks! Hi Carl!

[Rausch]

Xavien Howard sounds intriguing....

DRAFT HIM!:cuss:

[Bowser]

And here I thought we were tight...

Shut that whore German mouth of yours. I'd be thrilled with that (although Howard is sounding good, too).

[DC.chief]

Alexander scares me and idk if Xavian makes it to 37 but we need a CB bad so...

37 TJ Green
59 Shephard

we may have to even trade up some for Shephard and i'm cool with it. He better end up a chief

[Rausch]

Shut that whore German mouth of yours. I'd be thrilled with that (although Howard is sounding good, too).

He has the build to fill in like Hasty, has the attitude of Peters, but pushes EVERYTHING in coverage every step down the field.

He' fucking mugs you. He'll push you out of bonds.

We'd frustrate the SHIT out of the AFCW with these two...

[The Franchise]

Watch....we'll go defensive line and guard in the 2nd rounds and just piss everyone off.

[Bowser]

Watch....we'll go defensive line and guard in the 2nd rounds and just piss everyone off.

http://img.memecdn.com/prepare-your-anus_o_1959747.jpg

[BryanBusby]

Watch....we'll go defensive line and guard in the 2nd rounds and just piss everyone off.
Brokedick ILB and a Tight End is a very KC thing. Than we can defend why it works while Dorsey takes a hit from his gasmask bong in celebration.

[Sully]

Hunter Henry
TJ Green

[DaneMcCloud]

Hunter Henry
TJ Green

A tight end after the Chiefs extended Harris and Kelce?

[Chief Northman]

Michael Thomas
TJ Green

[ModSocks]

And here I thought we were tight...

I like Xavien. But i think he's more of a 3rd-4th guy.

[BlackHelicopters]

Kate Beckinsale with our early pick, and, what the hell, Kate Beckinsale with our later pick.

[jd1020]

Kate Beckinsale with our early pick, and, what the hell, Kate Beckinsale with our later pick.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Christian-Bale-look.gif

[Couch-Potato]

I'm pretty much good with any two of the following:


DT Robinson
ILB Ragland, ILB Smith, ILB Perry
OG Westerman, OG Whitehair
WR Caroo, WR Thomas, Miller
LB Dodd, LB Jack, LB Cravens, LB Jones
CB Alexander. CB Fuller, CB Green, CB Xav
QB Cook


Really like Caroo, Ragland, Smith, Jones, Green, Robinson... Man, so much talent out there. I'm not overly concerned about a couple of these guys health issues, If Dorsey says that's our guy then I'm with him, we've seen our own stars come back well from injury.

[the Talking Can]

any combo of wr/cb sounds good


seems set up for a run on dl to start the round

[Bowser]

any combo of wr/cb sounds good


seems set up for a run on dl to start the round

Hopefully a run of ILB, too. That would set us up nicely.

[the Talking Can]

Hopefully a run of ILB, too. That would set us up nicely.

yup

[the Talking Can]

I think a WR would Be a waste of a pick here bc they won't do jack shit next year, but if we take one I want Michael Thomas.

Guy is 6'3 212 lbs with huge hands and is nasty. He's got fantastic lateral movement with a 6.8 3 cone. That's amazing for a guy that big.

Sean Davis and Kendall Fuller are projected to get picked today and this guy embarrassed them.

how strongly do people feel bout the difference between shepard and thomas?


is either equally fine for us, or is one superior?

[Couch-Potato]

How many of our picks would we have to package to get into the top of the 3rd?

[jspchief]

Obviously the smart thing to do is trade down and accumulate more picks.

[Bowser]

How many of our picks would we have to package to get into the top of the 3rd?

To the TOP? Probably both the fourths and a future sixth or seventh would be my guess. Considerably less to get to the bottom of the third.

[the Talking Can]

How many of our picks would we have to package to get into the top of the 3rd?

according to dane, a 7th will do


LMAO

[Chief Northman]

Mr Billings out of Baylor is intriguing. Reminds me a bit of Allen Bailey when he came out. Brick shithouse with tons of strength. Can dominate at times, but can also be a slow processor - similar scouting report Bailey had at the U

[BryanBusby]

Obviously the smart thing to do is trade down and accumulate more picks.
Trade down till you own the entire 7th round. 32 chances to get it right!!!

[jspchief]

Trade down till you own the entire 7th round. 32 chances to get it right!!!We can package them all to get our 3rd back!

[BryanBusby]

We can package them all to get our 3rd back!
Hmm interesting. I like it.

[Couch-Potato]

I would consider trading both of our 4th round picks for a top 12 pick in the 3rd.

[staylor26]

We can package them all to get our 3rd back!

"Oh my god, we traded back 9 picks so we can get the ammo to get another day 2 pick. The horror."

Whiny bitches you guys are, and you had the nerve to say I must be 12.

:facepalm:

[DaneMcCloud]

according to dane, a 7th will do


LMAO

:facepalm:

[DaneMcCloud]

FWIW, SI has the Chiefs going Reed and Howard

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/29/nfl-mock-draft-round-2-picks-predictions-players

[jspchief]

"Oh my god, we traded back 9 picks so we can get the ammo to get another day 2 pick. The horror."

Whiny bitches you guys are, and you had the nerve to say I must be 12.

:facepalm:"oh my god Dorsey's semen is so delicious"

[Chief Northman]

FWIW, SI has the Chiefs going Reed and Howard

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/29/nfl-mock-draft-round-2-picks-predictions-players

The new DeVito and S. Smith.......

Reed is a fantastic player vs. the run, but not much in the way of pass rush.
Howard has ball skills, but has stiffness with change of direction and pedestrian speed. Solid corner though.

[DaneMcCloud]

"oh my god Dorsey's semen is so delicious"

Nice troll job, today.

Really top notch.

[gblowfish]

Yesterday I heard Bill Maas say he thought this Noah Spence guy from Eastern Kentucky was the sleeper of the draft. No love for him?

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/first-round-eludes-eastern-kentucky-s-spence-042816

[staylor26]

Nice troll job, today.

Really top notch.

These fucking losers need a life.

[The Franchise]

FWIW, SI has the Chiefs going Reed and Howard

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/04/29/nfl-mock-draft-round-2-picks-predictions-players

Nope.

Give me Sterling Shepard at 37....

Howard is ok at 59.

[Mr. Laz]

1. Mackenzie Alexander, CB
2. Sterling Shepard, WR
1. Mackensie Alexander
2. Sterling Shepard
Boom.
1. Sterling Shepard
2. Mackenzie Alexander
These probably

because of our 1st round we are almost forced to take CB/WR

although there are several very good Defensive lineman that we can't afford to take in the 2nd. :(

Myles Jack and Jaylon Smith are also laying around.


BPA draft has now become a need draft for us.

[Sully]

A tight end after the Chiefs extended Harris and Kelce?

Yeah. I don't love it, and I'd prefer more of a blocker from my 2nd TE, but to me it's just too good of value to pass up, even though it isn't a positional fit.

Of course, i change my mind every 4 minutes, so I may be completely against it soon.

[The Franchise]

These probably

because of our 1st round we are almost forced to take CB/WR

although there are several very good Defensive lineman that we can't afford to take in the 2nd. :(

Myles Jack and Jaylon Smith are also laying around.


BPA draft has now become a need draft for us.

I'm taking Jaylon Smith with our last 4th if he's there.

[the Talking Can]

http://walterfootball.com/draft2016redraft_2.php

Whitehair and Shepard

[Mr. Laz]

I'm taking Jaylon Smith with our last 4th if he's there.
No idea how far Jacks/Smith are going to fall

We pretty much have to get CB and WR before we are freed up to take chances.

[Mr. Laz]

http://walterfootball.com/draft2016redraft_2.php

Whitehair and Shepard
who is going to play corner opposite of Peters?

[Couch-Potato]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/15425974/perfect-fits-every-team-2016-nfl-draft

ILB Ragland and S Sue'Cravens

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah. I don't love it, and I'd prefer more of a blocker from my 2nd TE, but to me it's just too good of value to pass up, even though it isn't a positional fit.

Of course, i change my mind every 4 minutes, so I may be completely against it soon.

It's all good. I was just curious about your perspective. Thanks!

:thumb:

[DaneMcCloud]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/15425974/perfect-fits-every-team-2016-nfl-draft

ILB Ragland and S Sue'Cravens

Which makes zero sense.

Two ILBers?

:facepalm:

[BossChief]

1. Mackensie Alexander
2. Sterling Shepard

Count me in.

[O.city]

I'd take Jack if he's there at 37. Crazy value

[BossChief]

I'm taking Jaylon Smith with our last 4th if he's there.

I'd use the 49ers 4th rounder on him without thinking twice.

[Couch-Potato]

I'm 100% down for Jack or Smith as well

[jonzie04]

Count me in.

+ 1 more. That would be a wet dream.

[BryanBusby]

Hell yeah lets get some brokedicks that fill not immediate needs

[Couch-Potato]

Which makes zero sense.

Two ILBers?

:facepalm:

Actually, kind of makes sense. Cravens is supposed to be versitile enough to play OLB or SS, means he can move Berry to FS and sure up Secondary while also being backup at OLB in case injuries and age plague us. Ragland is a starter at ILB and also depth for further injuries and age concerns at that position.

[Mr. Laz]

Noah Spence,Jarran Reed are talented
connor cook

Although We aren't taking a QB someone might want to trade up for him.

[the Talking Can]

can not believe people are advocating using 2nds on guys with known medical issues

jaylon smith has 'foot drop'....he can't raise his foot because the nerve is damaged...i have this, it never came back completely and i trip when i walk if i don't think about walking

the idea that he's just going to recover soon and play at an elite level is ludicrous, he'll be lucky if it gets back to 90% of normal human function

A checkup by NFL teams last weekend in Indianapolis showed Smith remains unable to raise his left foot or swing it out to the side because of an issue with his peroneal nerve. But the "foot-drop" isn't a surprise at this stage, said his surgeon, Dr. Dan Cooper, who is “optimistic that his knee itself will be stable and a good knee and he’ll get all his strength back. And I also think he has a very good chance of getting his nerve recovery back.”

there's a reason the surgeon mentions the nerve separately, and last...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2016/04/22/jaylon-smith-knee-nerve-injury-draft/83416394/

[DaneMcCloud]

Actually, kind of makes sense. Cravens is supposed to be versitile enough to play OLB or SS, means he can move Berry to FS and sure up Secondary while also being backup at OLB in case injuries and age plague us. Ragland is a starter at ILB and also depth for further injuries and age concerns at that position.

No, it doesn't make sense when the Chiefs don't have a legit starter at Left Guard or Cornerback and lost Mike DeVito.

The Chiefs signed Derrick Johnson to a 3 year, $21 million dollar deal so he's going nowhere. They drafted Ramik Wilson and DJ Alexander and reportedly love Justin March. Mauga is currently the starter.

Ragland has an enlarged aorta that will require constant monitoring. Do you really want to draft that guy in the second? Cravens is interesting but with the aforementioned roster holes, he's a luxury pick in the 2nd.

[DaneMcCloud]

Noah Spence,Jarran Reed are talented
connor cook

Although We aren't taking a QB someone might want to trade up for him.

I wouldn't hate Reed but Spence has too many red flags for me, especially his speed, which was 4.8.

[Mr. Laz]

I wouldn't hate Reed but Spence has too many red flags for me, especially his speed, which was 4.8.
If he stopped smoking so much weed he might run faster. :p

[BossChief]

I'm fine with whoever Dorsey decides on.

[BossChief]

Would anybody be pissed off if KC takes Mackenzie Alexander....then Jack with the second 2....then Jaylon Smith with the 49ers 4th...then Kalan Reed with our original 4th?

Put out training staff to work on Jack/Smith and fix corner with Alexander and Kalan?

I'd be thrilled.

[Red Dawg]

Why must we take a WR? I'm fine with it but are not Streeter and Williams better options when we need CB, ILB and Guard?

[Red Dawg]

I'm fine with whoever Dorsey decides on.

Well you're no fun.

[Couch-Potato]

Why must we take a WR? I'm fine with it but are not Streeter and Williams better options when we need CB, ILB and Guard?

If we bring in Anquan Boldin, then I'm fine with no WR in the draft.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

I don't want to be a bubble-burster, but I don't see any way in hell Alexander makes it by BOTH Dallas and the Ravens. I think if Dorsey had any interest at all in Alexander, he would not have traded down past those 2 teams.

[Couch-Potato]

I don't want to be a bubble-burster, but I don't see any way in hell Alexander makes it by BOTH Dallas and the Ravens. I think if Dorsey had any interest at all in Alexander, he would not have traded down past those 2 teams.

I agree

[BryanBusby]

Fuck taking a 2 down run defender in the 2nd round with a stacked DL class. Get someone that can passrush if you're gonna do that shit.

[the Talking Can]

Would anybody be pissed off if KC takes Mackenzie Alexander....then Jack with the second 2....then Jaylon Smith with the 49ers 4th...then Kalan Reed with our original 4th?

Put out training staff to work on Jack/Smith and fix corner with Alexander and Kalan?

I'd be thrilled.

i'd have dorsey drug tested....or assume some kind of freaky friday thing with the raiders just happened

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Pass rushers are a rare commodity and although on paper you think we need corner immediately, I think if you maintain the QB pressure (ESPECIALLY with the forgiving schedule we have this year)we go with Ogbah...which as a result will make the corners look good. Great story, nice kid, strong work ethic. Let Tamba groom this kid. Sorry Dee, but your time may be up.

[Mr. Laz]

Would anybody be pissed off if KC takes Mackenzie Alexander....then Jack with the second 2....then Jaylon Smith with the 49ers 4th...then Kalan Reed with our original 4th?

Put out training staff to work on Jack/Smith and fix corner with Alexander and Kalan?

I'd be thrilled.
As long as we get a corner good enough to start THIS year, don't really care about the rest.

The one thing Dorsey had to do in this draft is get a stud corner and the rest of the draft would be gravy, he fucked it up. Until he gets one we are scrambling.

Alexander appears to be the best guy for us

Rausch has a hard-on for Xavien Howard but i don't know much about him.

[Mr. Laz]

I don't want to be a bubble-burster, but I don't see any way in hell Alexander makes it by BOTH Dallas and the Ravens. I think if Dorsey had any interest at all in Alexander, he would not have traded down past those 2 teams.
Like Dorsey is good enough to control where he goes that well.

If he was that good he would have gotten a 3rd round pick for the trade down instead of a 4th.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Tough deal for Jack. It's crazy how far knee ligament surgery has come. In today's world, it's worse to have torn cartilage in your knee than a torn knee ligament. As a veteran of 4 torn meniscus surgeries, I sure wish somebody could come up with some way to re-grow damaged cartilage.

[BossChief]

i'd have dorsey drug tested....or assume some kind of freaky friday thing with the raiders just happenedAlexander can start right away, or at least play nickel if Gaines starts.

Jack needs the same surgery Travis Kelce had 3 years ago...and he came back better than ever. Our trainers are some of the best in the business rehabbing injuries. DJ is old and having Jack next to him for a year or 2 would be killer.

Jaylon Smith in the 4th round is a good value gamble because if the pick hits, the middle of our defense would be nasty with him and Jack in the middle.

Reed is a guy we scouted and followed up on and he had tons of PBUs and also has long arms. He would be a great 4th.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Like Dorsey is good enough to control where he goes that well.

If he was that good he would have gotten a 3rd round pick for the trade down instead of a 4th.

I saw you freaking out in your posts in the SF trade thread. If you're bound and determined to make yourself look like you know absolutely nothing about football, more power to you. I think the rest of us will wait at least until the draft ends before we burn all our Chiefs gear, assassinate John Dorsey, and throw ourselves off a cliff.

[mcaj22]

So Myles Jack has what Brandon Roy of the NBA had? Or is that Jaylon Smith who has that.

[Viper400]

2A - Austin Johnson

2B - Kalan Reed

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

2A - Austin Johnson

2B - Kalan Reed


Some bold picks.

[Mr. Laz]

I saw you freaking out in your posts in the SF trade thread. If you're bound and determined to make yourself look like you know absolutely nothing about football, more power to you. I think the rest of us will wait at least until the draft ends before we burn all our Chiefs gear, assassinate John Dorsey, and throw ourselves off a cliff.
GFY

I know as much about football as 95% of the people on this board. I've played it, i've been a draft freak, i'm a constant watcher, i know the cap, i know X's and O's.

I'm freaking out because Dorsey fucked up. If you are too stupid to even understand that Dorsey fucked up then that is on you.

The one thing we had to have was a CB good enough to start year 1 and we didn't get it.

MAYBE Alexander is good enough, maybe we can salvage it. We started this draft free and clear to do almost anything we wanted ... now we can't.


Don't project your johnny fuckstick shit on me you cum guzzling rump ranger.

I know what i see.

[Viper400]

Since I cannot start threads,I will put this here:


Adam Schefter Verified account
‏@AdamSchefter

Dr. James Andrews, who examined Myles Jack in December, told the UCLA LB today that he does not need micro-fracture surgery.


Been nice to know that yesterday.

[ModSocks]

GFY

I know as much about football as 95% of the people on this board. I've played it, i've been a draft freak, i'm a constant watcher, i know the cap, i know X's and O's.

I'm freaking out because Dorsey ****ed up. If you are too stupid to even understand that Dorsey ****ed up then that is on you.

The one thing we had to have was a CB good enough to start year 1 and we didn't get it.

MAYBE Alexander is good enough, maybe we can salvage it. We started this draft free and clear to do almost anything we wanted ... now we can't.


Don't project your johnny ****stick shit on me you cum guzzling rump ranger.

I know what i see.

You also saw Eric Berry as an outside linebacker....so.....

But anyway, joking aside, I don't think you're looking at this correctly. Had Artie Burns or WJIII actually fallen to us, or any of the WR's they're interested in, Dorsey likely would've made the pick. But most of the talent we figured the Chiefs would be interested in were swept off the board right before our pick.

The Chiefs were left with the next tier of talent. We could make a reach, or trade back, get some picks, and still be picking from that same pool of talent.

Dorsey made the right choice.

[BossChief]

GFY

I know as much about football as 95% of the people on this board. I've played it, i've been a draft freak, i'm a constant watcher, i know the cap, i know X's and O's.

I'm freaking out because Dorsey ****ed up. If you are too stupid to even understand that Dorsey ****ed up then that is on you.

The one thing we had to have was a CB good enough to start year 1 and we didn't get it.

MAYBE Alexander is good enough, maybe we can salvage it. We started this draft free and clear to do almost anything we wanted ... now we can't.


Don't project your johnny ****stick shit on me you cum guzzling rump ranger.

I know what i see.

Beyond silly to say Dorsey fucked up before he has even made a pick yet.

In fact, it's flat out stupid to say as much.

[RippedmyFlesh]

If we bring in Anquan Boldin,and a time machine then I'm fine with no WR in the draft.
fyp

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The Jack news complicated things. If he is good to go, trade up and get him at 32 while Cleveland wants to go back.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

GFY

I know as much about football as 95% of the people on this board. I've played it, i've been a draft freak, i'm a constant watcher, i know the cap, i know X's and O's.

I'm freaking out because Dorsey ****ed up. If you are too stupid to even understand that Dorsey ****ed up then that is on you.

The one thing we had to have was a CB good enough to start year 1 and we didn't get it.

MAYBE Alexander is good enough, maybe we can salvage it. We started this draft free and clear to do almost anything we wanted ... now we can't.


Don't project your johnny ****stick shit on me you cum guzzling rump ranger.

I know what i see.


Oh, sorry. Didn't know you were a tough guy. Now you've got me scared. What if you drive out to Colorado and beat me up? I better shut up, I can tell you're not to be trifled with. I bet that, in between breaking down the draft, you iron your Tapout t-shirts and pop your back acne, amiright????

[The Franchise]

GFY

I know as much about football as 95% of the people on this board. I've played it, i've been a draft freak, i'm a constant watcher, i know the cap, i know X's and O's.

I'm freaking out because Dorsey fucked up. If you are too stupid to even understand that Dorsey fucked up then that is on you.

The one thing we had to have was a CB good enough to start year 1 and we didn't get it.

MAYBE Alexander is good enough, maybe we can salvage it. We started this draft free and clear to do almost anything we wanted ... now we can't.


Don't project your johnny fuckstick shit on me you cum guzzling rump ranger.

I know what i see.

So how is it that we started this draft free and clear to whatever we wanted......but now we all of a sudden NEED a CB? Wouldn't that mean that we started this draft needing a CB?

[KevB]

I'll play

2a : Chris Jones, DT --- serious talent, culture and coaching get him to excel

2b : TJ Green, CB -- we draft him as a corner and let Emmitt Thomas and Al Harris go to work

[the Talking Can]

Alexander can start right away, or at least play nickel if Gaines starts.

Jack needs the same surgery Travis Kelce had 3 years ago...and he came back better than ever. Our trainers are some of the best in the business rehabbing injuries. DJ is old and having Jack next to him for a year or 2 would be killer.

Jaylon Smith in the 4th round is a good value gamble because if the pick hits, the middle of our defense would be nasty with him and Jack in the middle.

Reed is a guy we scouted and followed up on and he had tons of PBUs and also has long arms. He would be a great 4th.

smith has a nerve issue that is very unlikely to allow him to function as an elite athlete much less a normal human...it would be ridiculous to use a 4th on him...one of his feet DOES NOT WORK

forget about him

if you wanted jack you should have drafted him in the first and locked him up for 5 years...but drafting him in the 2nd is better than drafting smith anywhere

[the Talking Can]

Since I cannot start posts, I will put this here:



Been nice to know that yesterday.

yeah, no shit....cost him millions

[BossChief]

You also saw Eric Berry as an outside linebacker....so.....

But anyway, joking aside, I don't think you're looking at this correctly. Had Artie Burns or WJIII actually fallen to us, or any of the WR's they're interested in, Dorsey likely would've made the pick. But most of the talent we figured the Chiefs would be interested in were swept off the board right before our pick.

The Chiefs were left with the next tier of talent. We could make a reach, or trade back, get some picks, and still be picking from that same pool of talent.

Dorsey made the right choice.

Pretty much.

Dorsey said its pockets

1-12
13-30
31-60

To me, it seems Dorsey was hoping one of those 12 fell and when the last 2 went off the board, he still had enough of his 2nd tier guys on the board that he KNEW he could still get at least 1 of them after trading down, so he did it.

So, instead of just getting 1 pick from tier 2, he's gonna get at least 1 from tier 2 AND AT WORST another player from tier 3...possibly get 2 from tier 2.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

A B/R projection has us getting Alexander at 37 and Calhoun at 59.

Wouldn't complain.

[the Talking Can]

Pretty much.

Dorsey said its pockets

1-12
13-30
31-60

To me, it seems Dorsey was hoping one of those 12 fell and when the last 2 went off the board, he still had enough of his 2nd tier guys on the board that he KNEW he could still get at least 1 of them after trading down, so he did it.

So, instead of just getting 1 pick from tier 2, he's gonna get at least 1 from tier 2 AND AT WORST another player from tier 3...possibly get 2 from tier 2.

how does a 4th round pick guarantee a top 60 player?

[O.city]

You also saw Eric Berry as an outside linebacker....so.....

But anyway, joking aside, I don't think you're looking at this correctly. Had Artie Burns or WJIII actually fallen to us, or any of the WR's they're interested in, Dorsey likely would've made the pick. But most of the talent we figured the Chiefs would be interested in were swept off the board right before our pick.

The Chiefs were left with the next tier of talent. We could make a reach, or trade back, get some picks, and still be picking from that same pool of talent.

Dorsey made the right choice.

If they wanted a player, should have traded up for him. Maybe they tried and the no third this year hurt.

Iirc, a year later pick bumps the value down, so likely would have had to use a 2nd next year.

[BossChief]

how does a 4th round pick guarantee a top 60 player?

I typos and meant tier 4.

My bad. Got a little excited.

[the Talking Can]

Where exactly does he say that it does?

sorry, unclear, dorseys 3rd bucket of 60 players

[the Talking Can]

I typos and meant tier 4.

My bad. Got a little excited.

yeah, i misunderstood a bit too....wasn't adding all tiers up

[The Franchise]

sorry, unclear, dorseys 3rd bucket of 60 players

Yeah....I just saw that. I deleted the post.

[the Talking Can]

i'm actually excited about our picks, i trust dorsey to find talent....just don't think the trade really net-ed us much in a complete accounting

[BigRedChief]

The Jack news complicated things. If he is good to go, trade up and get him at 32 while Cleveland wants to go back.We can't trade up.

[The Franchise]

We can't trade up.

Yes we fucking can.....JFC. :facepalm:

[DaneMcCloud]

We can't trade up.

Why not?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

We can't trade up.

The trade back last night puts us in perfect decision to do just that.

We wouldn't even have to give up one of our 10 projected picks next year to do so.

[BossChief]

Id love to know which players from Dorsey's tier 2 are still available.

Sure would be sweet if we take 3 players tonight and 2 of them are from tier 2.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

My favorite scenario:

2a) Jack
2b) Green (assuming Alexander is gone)

[jd1020]

Why not?

Because NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell DJ's left nut said so.

[the Talking Can]

i'd like to see their ranking of dl....so many guys left

[BossChief]

i'm actually excited about our picks, i trust dorsey to find talent....just don't think the trade really net-ed us much in a complete accounting

Depends on who we take.

In an average draft, a high 4th is no big deal...but this isn't a normal draft. This class is stacked as much (if not more) than 2010.

These picks carry an added value of almost a full round.

That 4th is gonna get us a damn good player.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

If we manage a haul like the one I mentioned above ^^^ the trade back is going to look great.

[BossChief]

The trade back last night puts us in perfect decision to do just that.

We wouldn't even have to give up one of our 10 projected picks next year to do so.

Fuck that.

Why would we trade out of pick 28 (when you get 5 years for a first rounder) to move to 37 and then trade back up to 32?

Doesn't make sense.

[DaneMcCloud]

Fuck that.

Why would we trade out of pick 28 (when you get 5 years for a first rounder) to move to 37 and then trade back up to 32?

Doesn't make sense.

It makes sense to me, especially if their guy won't be there at #37.

They have plenty of ammo to make that move, if they want it.

But who knows? Maybe Dorsey's got several DT/DE's, CB's and guards ranked evenly.

[ping2000]

1. Injured guy with upside.
2. Track guy who never played football with upside.
3. Guy from small school with upside.
4. Fatty.

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

[pugsnotdrugs19]

**** that.

Why would we trade out of pick 28 (when you get 5 years for a first rounder) to move to 37 and then trade back up to 32?

Doesn't make sense.

If you feel like Myles Jack is going to be okay or you start to get the sense that who you want at 37 may not be there, it makes plenty of sense.

[jd1020]

If you feel like Myles Jack is going to be okay or you start to get the sense that who you want at 37 may not be there, it makes plenty of sense.

Makes more sense to hold out and then trade back when that player is gone.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Makes more sense to hold out and then trade back when that player is gone.

Would normally agree but that's what we did in the first round.

Now it's our turn to use our resources and get our guy.

[O.city]

It makes sense to me, especially if their guy won't be there at #37.

They have plenty of ammo to make that move, if they want it.

But who knows? Maybe Dorsey's got several DT/DE's, CB's and guards ranked evenly.

If they're afraid who they want won't be there at 37, they should have taken him at 28.

I get the feeling there's a number of guys they like and know one of them will be at 37, hence the trade down

[ct]

37 - LB Myles Jack or CB Xavian Howard ( i expect somebody takes a chance on jack very soon!) else OG Cody Whitehair


59 - WR Sterling Shepard or CB/S TJ Green, OLB Emmanuel Ogbah

[BigChiefFan]

If he can pull off DE Kevin Dodd and CB Mackenzie Alexander, I'll be thrilled.

[BossChief]

It makes sense to me, especially if their guy won't be there at #37.

They have plenty of ammo to make that move, if they want it.

But who knows? Maybe Dorsey's got several DT/DE's, CB's and guards ranked evenly.

The draft value chart that matches most trades the closest shows the difference between 32 and 37 is about 60 points and that's almost exactly what our original 4th is worth.

So, basically if we trade up....we passed on that 5th year option to move up in the 4th round and to move from the 7th to the 6th.

That's terrible value.

[BossChief]

If you feel like Myles Jack is going to be okay or you start to get the sense that who you want at 37 may not be there, it makes plenty of sense.

Then they should have stayed at 28 and had their first pick for 5 years of very cheap deals.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Then they should have stayed at 28 and had their first pick for 5 years of very cheap deals.

The news about Jack not needing microfracture surgery didn't come until a couple hours ago, so if that's who they want, its not their fault.

And if you wanted a guy who you knew was going to be there at 37, that extra 4th which is almost a late 3rd may be worth more than we realize in this type of draft.

[Mr. Laz]

You also saw Eric Berry as an outside linebacker....so.....

But anyway, joking aside, I don't think you're looking at this correctly. Had Artie Burns or WJIII actually fallen to us, or any of the WR's they're interested in, Dorsey likely would've made the pick. But most of the talent we figured the Chiefs would be interested in were swept off the board right before our pick.

The Chiefs were left with the next tier of talent. We could make a reach, or trade back, get some picks, and still be picking from that same pool of talent.

Dorsey made the right choice.Then Dorsey needed to move up and get one instead of sitting there and hoping one to fall. Corner is the one position we really need to fill.

It's just my opinion, if you disagree then fine. Doesn't mean i'm an idiot and don't know football.

I mean i'm probably an idiot about a lot of things in life but football isn't one of them.

[BossChief]

The news about Jack not needing microfracture surgery didn't come until a couple hours ago, so if that's who they want, its not their fault.

And if you wanted a guy who you knew was going to be there at 37, that extra 4th which is almost a late 3rd may be worth more than we realize in this type of draft.

That was in December. Medicals change with time.

Teams got to take a good, long look at that knee at the combine and nobody wanted the risk in the first round.

I'd be excited if we take him, but prefer to do so at 37 and keep the 4th

[Beef Supreme]

Is it too early to already hate our pick?

[nychief]

Is it too early to already hate our pick?

NEVER!

[ModSocks]

Then Dorsey needed to move up and get one instead of sitting there and hoping one to fall. Corner is the one position we really need to fill.

It's just my opinion, if you disagree then fine. Doesn't mean i'm an idiot and don't know football.

I mean i'm probably an idiot about a lot of things in life but football isn't one of them.

From reports, it seems that they did make an effort to trade up. But lacking a 3rd, giving up picks may not be the way to go.

[Mr. Laz]

If he can pull off DE Kevin Dodd and CB Mackenzie Alexander, I'll be thrilled.

i've thought about Dodd too but isn't he more of a 4-3 DE. I mean that can be a 5-tech too i suppose but Allen Bailey is pretty solid.

[gonefishin53]

Pick #37 Cody Whitehair OG
Pick #59 Sean Davis CB

[Mr. Laz]

Oh, sorry. Didn't know you were a tough guy. Now you've got me scared. What if you drive out to Colorado and beat me up? I better shut up, I can tell you're not to be trifled with. I bet that, in between breaking down the draft, you iron your Tapout t-shirts and pop your back acne, amiright????
You fucking douchebag

You started talking shit

You called me idiot instead of just talking football, don't try to act like you're some kind of victim or some shit.

Don't start shit, won't be shit.

[Chief Roundup]

Junior Savai
Kris Wilson

Jordy Nelson
Kevin Kolb

[nychief]

Oline/DB

[Sandy Vagina]

My favorite scenario:

2a) Jack
2b) Green (assuming Alexander is gone)


Agreed.. but one of those WRs (Boyd, Thomas, Shepard) instead of Jack would be a huge success also.

[KevB]

I wasn't particularly interested in Reggie Ragland, but I saw two or three 2nd day mocks that have him to the Chiefs. So, I went over to Draft Breakdown and watched his video against Wisconsin. Now, I wouldn't be disappointed at all.

[the Talking Can]

so, one of these 2nds is going to be someone that no one is expecting, right?

like dorsey has a guy everyone else thinks is a 3rd rounder

anyone have a guess who that might be?

[The Franchise]

I'll pass on a 2 down thumper ILB that has an enlarged aorta.

[Beef Supreme]

I bet he tells all the girls "You should see the size of my ... aorta."

[Big Tedd]

Beyond silly to say Dorsey ****ed up before he has even made a pick yet.

In fact, it's flat out stupid to say as much.

This. Geez, settle down, there are several picks and moves to be made.

[staylor26]

so, one of these 2nds is going to be someone that no one is expecting, right?

like dorsey has a guy everyone else thinks is a 3rd rounder

anyone have a guess who that might be?

Kalan Reed.

And he'd be a great pick at 59.

[The Franchise]

Kalan Reed.

And he'd be a great pick at 59.

Jack, Shepard or Thomas at 37 and I'll be just fine with Reed at 59.

[BossChief]

so, one of these 2nds is going to be someone that no one is expecting, right?

like dorsey has a guy everyone else thinks is a 3rd rounder

anyone have a guess who that might be?

Kalan Red.

[the Talking Can]

Kalan Reed.

And he'd be a great pick at 59.

interesting, and plausible

[BossChief]

Kalan Reed.

And he'd be a great pick at 59.

I hate you

[staylor26]

Jack, Shepard or Thomas at 37 and I'll be just fine with Reed at 59.

That would be fantastic.

Then trade into the 3rd to get one of the DL that falls (Ridgeway, Collins, Hargrave, Henry, Day).

Then G with our original 4th.

[staylor26]

I hate you

:D

Me and RunKC have been pimping Reed too.

[The Franchise]

Myles Jack
Kalan Reed
Sheldon Day
Connor McGovern

:drool:

[Big Tedd]

Vonn Bell.

[Mr. Laz]

So how is it that we started this draft free and clear to whatever we wanted......but now we all of a sudden NEED a CB? Wouldn't that mean that we started this draft needing a CB?
Yea, but we were in a position to get a stud CB in the 1st round.

3 WRs and 2 CBs went in the 7 picks right in front of us.

Dorsey should have known those teams were probably taking WR/CB. People all over had those teams taking WRs or CBs. I said there was a run coming right in front of us before the draft, during the draft and right when it started. It wasn't a big secret.

Dorsey should have been looking for trading partner before the draft even started. He didn't. Then we traded down in the last minute because all our guys were gone. Because it was a last minute type trade we got less in trade value(IMO)

Dorsey just likes to sit and let the draft fall, it cost us.

Now we only have 2nd tier CBs to chose from and we are tied into getting one anyway. So yea, the 1st round made these next few rounds more difficult.

If you're happy with Gaines or Nelson taking over Sean Smith's spot then more power to you. I'm not. I dread the possibility of seeing Fleming back at corner and Parker back in the slot because we failed to address our 1 main need sufficiently. JMO

The main thing is, is that it's a valid football opinion. Instead just talking about it, Jonny fuckstick starting talking shit and name calling, so i returned the favor.

[Big Tedd]

Kalan Reed at 59 would be awesome.

[Bowser]

so, one of these 2nds is going to be someone that no one is expecting, right?

like dorsey has a guy everyone else thinks is a 3rd rounder

anyone have a guess who that might be?

Some fatass o-lineman from Vermont State nobody has heard of

[The Franchise]

Yea, but we were in a position to get a stud CB in the 1st round.

3 WRs and 2 CBs went in the 7 picks right in front of us.

Dorsey should have known those teams were probably taking WR/CB. People all over had those teams taking WRs or CBs. I said there was a run coming right in front of us before the draft, during the draft and right when it started. It wasn't a big secret.

Dorsey should have been looking for trading partner before the draft even started. He didn't. Then we traded down in the last minute because all our guys were gone. Because it was a last minute type trade we got less in trade value(IMO)

Dorsey just likes to sit and let the draft fall, it cost us.

Now we only have 2nd tier CBs to chose from and we are tied into getting one anyway. So yea, the 1st round made these next few rounds more difficult.

If you're happy with Gaines or Nelson taking over Sean Smith's spot then more power to you. I'm not. I dread the possibility of seeing Fleming back at corner and Parker back in the slot because we failed to address our 1 main need sufficiently. JMO

The main thing is, is that it's a valid football opinion. Instead just talking about it, Jonny fuckstick starting talking shit and name calling, so i returned the favor.

And exactly what are you giving up to move up to those spots? Keep in mind that you're going to have to blow Houston, Washington or Minnesota out of the water because it's going to make them lose out on the WR they want.

[Bowser]

We almost have to take a corner with one of these picks

-Peters
-Gaines
-Nelson
-Cooper
-Fleming
-Devereon Carr (???)
-Keith Lewis (???)

We fucking NEED another impact corner

[Halfcan]

Yea, but we were in a position to get a stud CB in the 1st round.

3 WRs and 2 CBs went in the 7 picks right in front of us.

Dorsey should have known those teams were probably taking WR/CB. People all over had those teams taking WRs or CBs. I said there was a run coming right in front of us before the draft, during the draft and right when it started. It wasn't a big secret.

Dorsey should have been looking for trading partner before the draft even started. He didn't. Then we traded down in the last minute because all our guys were gone. Because it was a last minute type trade we got less in trade value(IMO)

Dorsey just likes to sit and let the draft fall, it cost us.

Now we only have 2nd tier CBs to chose from and we are tied into getting one anyway. So yea, the 1st round made these next few rounds more difficult.

If you're happy with Gaines or Nelson taking over Sean Smith's spot then more power to you. I'm not. I dread the possibility of seeing Fleming back at corner and Parker back in the slot because we failed to address our 1 main need sufficiently. JMO

The main thing is, is that it's a valid football opinion. Instead just talking about it, Jonny ****stick starting talking shit and name calling, so i returned the favor.

According to Dorsey on 101 the Fox pre-draft show. Gaines is healthy and looking like a stud. He did say that you can never have too many defensive backs-so I would guess we draft at least 2 guys minimum, maybe three.

[Eleazar]

Trade our two 2nds for 2 1sts next year! :bolt:

[pugsnotdrugs19]

FWIW, Mackensie Alexander followed Marcus Peters on Twitter very recently.

He follows a grand total of 31 people.

:)

[staylor26]

FWIW, Mackensie Alexander followed Marcus Peters on Twitter very recently.

He follows a grand total of 31 people.

:)

That's interesting.

[Bowser]

Trade our two 2nds for 2 1sts next year! :bolt:

http://i.imgur.com/I0tS4pB.gif?noredirect

[pugsnotdrugs19]

That's interesting.

Peters followed him back today, too.

Where's the It's happening GIF

[staylor26]

Peters followed him back today, too.

Where's the It's happening GIF

If we pull this shit off...

[Halfcan]

Peters followed him back today, too.

Where's the It's happening GIF

Awesome! I wonder if they are going to be Facebook friends too? :)

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Awesome! I wonder if they are going to be Facebook friends too? :)

So I take it you think it's just one big coincidence? Cause I find that reaaaaally hard to buy.

[The Franchise]

So I take it you think it's just one big coincidence? Cause I find that reaaaaally hard to buy.

And you seem to think that he already knows that he's being drafted by the Chiefs? Did we tell the teams in front of us that?

Maybe he just followed him on twitter because he looks up to what he's done so far in the NFL.

[Bowser]

I refuse to get my hopes up until he's actually here. I fully expect him to be drafted a spot or two in front of us.

[KevB]

I'll pass on a 2 down thumper ILB that has an enlarged aorta.

I think he can be more than that (I think he an be a good blitzing LB and adequate in coverage), and I don't think the heart thing is a big issue. Not saying he's at the top of my list, just that I won't throw my remote at the TV if we pick him.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

And you seem to think that he already knows that he's being drafted by the Chiefs? Did we tell the teams in front of us that?

Maybe he just followed him on twitter because he looks up to what he's done so far in the NFL.

Like I mentioned, he follows 31 people. Peters is the only one who is currently on an NFL team (other than Shaq Lawson, obviously)

[Urc Burry]

Like I mentioned, he follows 31 people. Peters is the only one who is currently on an NFL team (other than Shaq Lawson, obviously)

Bruce Irvin followed the entire jags team before signing with the raiders. And Alexander followed Tide and Adidas right before Peters. Both who endorse Peters. Alexander is a likely pick, but this doesn't mean much

[jspchief]

I'll play

2a : Chris Jones, DT --- serious talent, culture and coaching get him to excel

2b : TJ Green, CB -- we draft him as a corner and let Emmitt Thomas and Al Harris go to work
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