NFLN Top 100 Players of 2016 starts tonight. Which Chiefs make it?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

100-91 starts at 7pm Arrowhead time. I love this show, every year it's one of my favorites. Really gives a good insight to player opinions around the league. With all that said, who do you see making the list for us this year? Last year, we had Jamaal Charles (12), Justin Houston (27, criminally low after 22 sack season), Jeremy Maclin (61, after signing), and Tamba Hali (70).

I'll predict that this year making the player's list will be....

Charles (he'll make it, trust me)
Maclin
Kelce
Houston
Hali
DJ
Peters
Berry

That's 8 for me, which would likely be tied for the most or 2nd most in the league amongst teams...

Thus far:

Justin Houston:http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000670941/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-26-Justin-Houston

Eric Berry: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000666120/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-55-Eric-Berry

Marcus Peters: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000665068/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-65-Marcus-Peters

Jamaal Charles: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000663545/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-75-Jamaal-Charles

Derrick Johnson: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000663540/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-80-Derrick-Johnson

Alex Smith: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-81-Alex-Smith

Tamba Hali: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-84-Tamba-Hali

Travis Kelce: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...1-Travis-Kelce

Jeremy Maclin: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-Jeremy-Maclin

[BleedingRed]

Charles (doesnt make it)
Maclin - # 54
Kelce - #81
Houston - #75
Hali - (doesnt make it)
DJ - #92
Peters - # 32
Berry - #15
Poe - #21

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Charles (doesnt make it)
Maclin - # 54
Kelce - #81
Houston - #75
Hali - (doesnt make it)
DJ - #92
Peters - # 48
Berry - #31

I'll be shocked if Charles falls off the list.

I get the injury for being the reason, but players keep injured guys on the list every year. To drop from #12 to completely off seems far fetched..

Also, Poe has never made the list at all so, if he does, you're probably looking at the 100-91 range.

[Rain Man]

Charles - 25
DJ - 84
Tamba - 88
Berry 76

Houston, Peters, and Poe might slip onto the list. But Houston's injury will hurt him, Peters is young, and Poe is underrated.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I can confirm Kelce makes the list, as he was on the TV ad for it the other day.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Jeremy Maclin is the first Chief to make the list at #93.

[Three7s]

Jeremy Maclin is the first Chief to make the list at #93.
I thought Maclin would probably be in the 90s.

[O.city]

Maclin
Poe
Berry
DJ
Houston
Peters
Kelce
Hali

[Three7s]

Kelce is gonna be 91.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Yep, Kelce is #91.

Think we have a good shot to get 8 guys.

[jd1020]

Seems a bit early for Peters to make the list, imo.

I'll go with

Maclin (100% sure he'll make the list)
Charles
Houston
Berry
Kelce
Alex Smith

[Three7s]

Seems a bit early for Peters to make the list, imo.

I'll go with

Maclin (100% sure he'll make the list)
Charles
Houston
Berry
Kelce
Alex Smith
:eek:

[jd1020]

:eek:

https://38.media.tumblr.com/092de2d4c7536324e2c7950a8580678d/tumblr_inline_nnd1oe4M7s1rfnrp7_500.gif

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Hate to nit pick here because nothing can change it, but damn I wish Kelce was younger. Considering he's only got two full seasons in, and turning 27 in October, seems crazy.

[RunKC]

He probably won't make it bc of a lack of popularity, but Jaye Howard deserves to be on the list

[stumppy]

How about an update

[CapsLockKey]

Hate to nit pick here because nothing can change it, but damn I wish Kelce was younger. Considering he's only got two full seasons in, and turning 27 in October, seems crazy.
At least he's a TE and not a RB. That position has a much longer lifespan in the NFL. Look at how many seasons guys like Gonzo, Gates and Witten played at a high level.

[Toby Waller]

Lol Incognito is 97

[Toby Waller]

Kelce,91

[thabear04]

Charles - 25
DJ - 84
Tamba - 88
Berry 76

Houston, Peters, and Poe might slip onto the list. But Houston's injury will hurt him, Peters is young, and Poe is underrated.

I read on NFL.com saying that Peters was making the list so I guess will see if he makes it.

[RobBlake]

Alex deserves to be on that list if Incognito is.

[jspchief]

15 QBs made the list.

[ThaVirus]

There aren't many people who think Andrew Luck is as overrated as I do, but if you've got 15 QBs on the list, he should be ahead of at least 7 or 8 of them.

[ThaVirus]

And if Alex were to make it, he should have gone somewhere between 90-100.

Positional value be damned, he's not better at his job than Maclin or Kelce are at theirs.

[Rain Man]

15 QBs made the list.

(Sigh.)

So half of the quarterbacks in the league are better than 90+% of starters at other positions?

In fairness, I guess this is possible if the best athletes become quarterbacks at an early age and stay at the position through high school, college, and the pros. It's just hard for me to believe that an average quarterback is in the top 14 percent of players leaguewide.

[RobBlake]

And if Alex were to make it, he should have gone somewhere between 90-100.

Positional value be damned, he's not better at his job than Maclin or Kelce are at theirs.

Alex smith was better at his job than Andrew luck was last year- potential be damned

[thabear04]

Alex smith was better at his job than Andrew luck was last year- potential be damned

Peyton Manning made the list and he didn't even play the year he made it. I think it's just a bunch of BS that's made up and to kill time until training camp come up.

[ThaVirus]

Alex smith was better at his job than Andrew luck was last year- potential be damned



Well the list is obviously based a bit off of 2015 production, but it's actually a ranking of the top 100 players for the upcoming season.

Since Luck is younger and had more success in the past, he's got far more potential than Smith.

[RobBlake]

Well the list is obviously based a bit off of 2015 production, but it's actually a ranking of the top 100 players for the upcoming season.

Since Luck is younger and had more success in the past, he's got far more potential than Smith.

how much more success has he had tho? Incognito is on the list but alex isn't? Alex is a consistent producer.. should certainly be on the list over a guy like that.. not saying luck shouldn'tb e higher even though i think he's highly overrated.

[ThaVirus]

how much more success has he had tho?.


LMAO

Come on, bro.

[RobBlake]

:)ROFL
too much?LMAO

Come on, bro.

[ThaVirus]

:)ROFL

too much?



You're channeling your inner Sandy. Reel yourself in before I'm forced to pimp slap you.

[Toby Waller]

If Alex Smith was on last year's list,he'll be on this one

[RobBlake]

You're channeling your inner Sandy. Reel yourself in before I'm forced to pimp slap you.

this black on black crime needs to stop!

and one must never go sandy.

[jd1020]

how much more success has he had tho?

For real?

The Colts rush offense and defense was ~20th in the league from 2012-2014, outside of 2013 for the defense.

Meanwhile Luck lead the best passing offense in the league in 2014 while throwing 40 TDs and their 3rd straight playoff appearance.

Luck is the Colts.

[RobBlake]

For real?

The Colts rush offense and defense was ~20th in the league from 2012-2014, outside of 2013 for the defense.

Meanwhile Luck lead the best passing offense in the league in 2014 while throwing 40 TDs and their 3rd straight playoff appearance.

Luck is the Colts.

i shouldn't drink and talk about alex, i sipppose.

http://ell.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/01/480x222/placeholder_54a78a9754dec_-_cryinggifs_01_1.gif

[ThaVirus]

If Alex Smith was on last year's list,he'll be on this one



I don't think he's ever made this list

[jd1020]

(Sigh.)

So half of the quarterbacks in the league are better than 90+% of starters at other positions?

In fairness, I guess this is possible if the best athletes become quarterbacks at an early age and stay at the position through high school, college, and the pros. It's just hard for me to believe that an average quarterback is in the top 14 percent of players leaguewide.

Ya, I'll be interested to see who all these QBs are.

1) Brady
2) Rodgers
3) Wilson
4) Brees
5) Roethlisberger
6) Luck
7) Newton
8) Rivers
9) E. Manning
10) Ryan
11) Romo

And now I'm drawing blanks. Palmer, Dalton, ummm..... Flacco and Stafford????? The last 2 are tough. Seems a bit early for guys like Carr.

[ThaVirus]

15 QBs with Carr and Luck already making it?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Romo, Palmer, Newton, Dalton, Bortles. Those are all locks.

Leaves 2 more spots open. I'd say those spots will go toooooooo.. Stafford and Alex Smiff.

[jd1020]

15 QBs with Carr and Luck already making it?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Romo, Palmer, Newton, Dalton, Bortles. Those are all locks.

It's too soon for Luck but not for Bortles? Lolwut?

[Toby Waller]

15 QBs with Carr and Luck already making it?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Romo, Palmer, Newton, Dalton, Bortles. Those are all locks.

Leaves 2 more spots open. I'd say those spots will go toooooooo.. Stafford and Alex Smiff.

Lol Romo and Bortles aren't on it

[jd1020]

Lol Romo and Bortles aren't on it

Wasn't Romo in the 30's last year? If you dont think he's on the list somewhere you are delusional.

[ThaVirus]

It's too soon for Luck but not for Bortles? Lolwut?



Luck was injured much of the season. You have to incorporate recency bias.

[jd1020]

Luck was injured much of the season. You have to incorporate recency bias.

This isn't a best of 2015 list.

[ThaVirus]

Lol Romo and Bortles aren't on it



Both will be on it.

[ThaVirus]

It's too soon for Luck but not for Bortles? Lolwut?



This isn't a best of 2015 list.



I'm confused. What the fuck are you arguing?

[Toby Waller]

Both will be on it.

Is the list already visible?
If not,Romo is no where near the list

[ThaVirus]

15 QBs with Carr and Luck already making it?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Romo, Palmer, Newton, Dalton, Bortles. Those are all locks.

Leaves 2 more spots open. I'd say those spots will go toooooooo.. Stafford and Alex Smiff.


Let me revise this. Drop Alex Smiff and replace him with Eli Manning. Bigger media market. They love choking on Manning cock.

[ThaVirus]

Is the list already visible?

If not,Romo is no where near the list



Ok. Kill yourself.

[jd1020]

I'm confused. What the **** are you arguing?

This list is a best of 2016 NFL players before the season even starts. 1 injury year isn't going to drop Luck from #7 to off the list entirely.

[ThaVirus]

This list is a best of 2016 NFL players before the season even starts. 1 injury year isn't going to drop Luck from #7 to off the list entirely.



Ummmm.. Ok?

Luck is already ON the list- we know that. And not more than a couple hours ago I argued that, despite a down season, Luck should be ranked higher than all but maybe 7-8 QBs at the most.

[jd1020]

Ummmm.. Ok?

Luck is already ON the list- we know that. And not more than a couple hours ago I argued that, despite a down season, Luck should be ranked higher than all but maybe 7-8 QBs at the most.

Then I misread your initial post because I wasn't thinking Carr would be on the list after 1 good season.

If Carr and Luck are the first QBs to be named to the list then there's no fucking chance Smith can be on this list.

[ThaVirus]

Then I misread your initial post because I wasn't thinking Carr would be on the list after 1 good season.



I haven't actually watched the show but saw something about it on social media. Carr was ranked #100 and Luck #92, IIRC. People are also saying 15 QBs made the list.

So I was just trying to fill in the blanks. Bortles will be on it for sure. So will Romo. Do you disagree?

[ThaVirus]

Then I misread your initial post because I wasn't thinking Carr would be on the list after 1 good season.

If Carr and Luck are the first QBs to be named to the list then there's no fucking chance Smith can be on this list.



I have to agree, but that last spot is giving me a lot of trouble. Guys like Eli, Flacco, Cutler and Ryan will probably be front runners but who gets it out of them?

[jd1020]

I haven't actually watched the show but saw something about it on social media. Carr was ranked #100 and Luck #92, IIRC. People are also saying 15 QBs made the list.

So I was just trying to fill in the blanks. Bortles will be on it for sure. So will Romo. Do you disagree?

I would put my money on Cousins over Bortles at this point. Cousins completed 69.8% of his passes last season with a 101 rating and he has more name recognition at this point.

[ThaVirus]

I would put my money on Cousins over Bortles at this point. Cousins completed 69.8% of his passes last season with a 101 rating and he has more name recognition at this point.



Cousins! I had forgotten about him. Yeah, he could definitely get the nod with his age. He's got potential.

I'm still sticking to my Bortles guns though. I think he'll make it.

[Toby Waller]

This list is a best of 2016 NFL players before the season even starts. 1 injury year isn't going to drop Luck from #7 to off the list entirely.

How the fuck is it a list of who they think will be good?
No,it's a list of who they thought was good last year.
That's why Luck us at the bottom for hardly playing.
But he played more than Romo.
Ultimately, the llist is a pointless waste of time
But I'll easily gamble Romo ain't on it and Alex Smith is.

[ThaVirus]

Bortles threw 35 TDs last season and that Jaguars offense is on the come up.

[jd1020]

How the **** is it a list of who they think will be good?
No,it's a list of who they thought was good last year.
That's why Luck us at the bottom for hardly playing.

You know how I know you are stupid? When you think someone who started 7 games and wasn't particularly good last season is on the list because of what he did in 2015 only.

[Toby Waller]

Bortles threw 35 TDs last season and that Jaguars offense is on the come up.

Lol the Jaguars aren't going anywhere.
His stats are meaningless until they have any amount of post season success and they never will.
If he ends up on the list,it's so dumb ass Jag fans have their false hope fueled.

[Toby Waller]

You know how I know you are stupid? When you think someone who started 7 games and wasn't particularly good last season is on the list because of what he did in 2015 only.

I explained how that happened.

"You know how I know you're stupid "....?
Only unoriginal, childish,dumb ass,Internet losers use that tired
Excuse for an insult.

I already explained how unimportant and useless a top 100 list is
but I'll still be right.
Get on my level! !!!!!

[jd1020]

I explained how that happened.


You explained what, dipshit? That he played more than Romo? Explain how he's 8 spots higher than Carr who started 16 games, dumbass.

[ThaVirus]

Lol the Jaguars aren't going anywhere.

His stats are meaningless until they have any amount of post season success and they never will.

If he ends up on the list,it's so dumb ass Jag fans have their false hope fueled.


You make a lot of claims as if you've got a crystal ball somewhere

[Toby Waller]

You make a lot of claims as if you've got a crystal ball somewhere

When have the Jags been successful since they caught all the rainbows in expansion?
You don't need a crystal ball. You just need to know who the bit players are and the main characters.
The Colts will always own the afc south.
The titans,Jags and Texans will always get nothing more than the occasional reward bisquit losing in the first or second round if they ever make the playoffs.

[jspchief]

Ya, I'll be interested to see who all these QBs are.

1) Brady
2) Rodgers
3) Wilson
4) Brees
5) Roethlisberger
6) Luck
7) Newton
8) Rivers
9) E. Manning
10) Ryan
11) Romo

And now I'm drawing blanks. Palmer, Dalton, ummm..... Flacco and Stafford????? The last 2 are tough. Seems a bit early for guys like Carr.
Mariota or Winston? I don't know what the criteria is, but if hype for 2016 is part of it maybe they make it? I don't know hard to make a case for 13 more QBs ranked higher than Luck.

[Three7s]

Mariota or Winston? I don't know what the criteria is, but if hype for 2016 is part of it maybe they make it? I don't know hard to make a case for 13 more QBs ranked higher than Luck.
I would go with:

Aaron Rodgers
Rom Brady
Ben Rapethisburger
Andy Dalton
Kirk Cousins
Matt Ryan
Matt Rivers
Cam Newton
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Carson Palmer
Russell Wilson

[jd1020]

I would go with:

Aaron Rodgers
Rom Brady
Ben Rapethisburger
Andy Dalton
Kirk Cousins
Matt Ryan
Matt Rivers
Cam Newton
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Carson Palmer
Russell Wilson

Peyton Manning is retired. If he's on the list of best players in the NFL going into 2016 then you might as well just scrap this entire thing.

[mcaj22]

Lol the Jaguars aren't going anywhere.
His stats are meaningless until they have any amount of post season success and they never will.
If he ends up on the list,it's so dumb ass Jag fans have their false hope fueled.

If Blake Bortles stats are meaningless because he has no post season success than Jamaal Charles stats are also meaningless because he also has no post season success.

[Rain Man]

Peyton Manning is retired. If he's on the list of best players in the NFL going into 2016 then you might as well just scrap this entire thing.

Especially since he was the worst quarterback in the league last year. Who still "won" a Super Bowl as a going away gift from the league. (Though technically isn't this supposed to be the list of the best players last year, so retirement shouldn't count?) Either way, I'd be surprised if he's not on it because of his TV commercials.

Goodell really showed his hand last year. There's a reason why he got booed every time he walked on stage at the draft.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Two more Chiefs are set to make the list tonight from 90-81. Who ya got?

My money is on Hali and DJ.

I think Peters, Berry, Charles and Houston will be a little higher.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

There's Tamba. 84.

[BossChief]

Alex Smith is #81

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Well deserved.

[OldSchool]

Smitty. He's better than a lot of people perceive him to be and is deserving of being on this list.

[jd1020]

Smitty. He's better than a lot of people perceive him to be and is deserving of being on this list.

Now's the chance to trade him while his value appears to be at its peak!

[OldSchool]

Now's the chance to trade him while his value appears to be at its peak!

Sure if you're happy to go back to 5 win seasons you loser. ROFL

[jd1020]

Sure if you're happy to go back to 5 win seasons you loser. ROFL

Because the teams success is based on the passing game. ROFL

[hometeam]

There's Tamba. 84.

1 of 13 players in the top 100 all 6 years of the show.


And some of yall wanted to scrap him up to FOUR years ago??

WUT?

[ChiefsCountry]

Smitty. He's better than a lot of people perceive him to be and is deserving of being on this list.

You must masturbate to an Alex Smith fathead every night.

[jd1020]

You must masturbate to an Alex Smith fathead every night.

That's not how you spell Chandler Jones.

[Strongside]

Please put these in the OP:

Alex Smith: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000662034/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-81-Alex-Smith

Tamba Hali: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000662022/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-84-Tamba-Hali

Travis Kelce: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000660060/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-91-Travis-Kelce

Jeremy Maclin: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000660063/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-93-Jeremy-Maclin

[Chief Roundup]

Because the teams success is based on the passing game. ROFL

Defense wins SB not the passing game even Michael Irvin admits that.

[DaneMcCloud]

Defense wins SB not the passing game even Michael Irvin admits that.

:facepalm:

[mcaj22]

Alex's legs literally save him. soon has his legs go he is toast

[OldSchool]

You must masturbate to an Alex Smith fathead every night.

Keep crying and salivating at 1st round QBs while Smith remains on the team. ROFL

[pugsnotdrugs19]

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Looks like we will get at least one more Chief on the list tomorrow, which reveals players 80-71. My best guess would have to be Derrick Johnson, Marcus Peters, or Jamaal Charles.

[thabear04]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Teams represented on Top 100 Players of 2016 TOMORROW: <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs">@Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Panthers">@Panthers</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Jaguars">@Jaguars</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Redskins">@Redskins</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Vikings">@Vikings</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Broncos">@Broncos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Seahawks">@Seahawks</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AZCardinals">@AZCardinals</a></p>&mdash; NFL Media (@NFLMedia) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLMedia/status/732635105642995712">May 17, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Looks like we will get at least one more Chief on the list tomorrow, which reveals players 80-71. My best guess would have to be Derrick Johnson, Marcus Peters, or Jamaal Charles.

I say Peters goes next week. But my guess is Johnson,Charles or Houston

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I say Peters goes next week. But my guess is Johnson,Charles or Houston

Houston's situation can go many different ways. Last year he was VASTLY underrated at #27 coming off of his 22 sack season.

But, since then he signed a huge contract which gets player's attention more than anything, was playing his best all around football to date, and then had the knee injury.

Combining those factors, I think he ends up about where he was last year.

[O.city]

Berry, poe, peters, dj, yet to go.

Maybe Schwartz gets on?

[Chief Roundup]

Do we know the total number of our players that will be on the list?
IIRC in years past they have announced the number of players on each team that is represented on the list.

[BossChief]

Lol

Some of you think Charles will be on the list?

Why?

He's 30
Coming off his second acl tear
His replacements showed to be quality players on their own.


I highly doubt he makes the list.

[SAUTO]

1 of 13 players in the top 100 all 6 years of the show.


And some of yall wanted to scrap him up to FOUR years ago??

WUT?

shit some wanted to scrap him longer ago than that, mecca basically left over it, lol

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Lol

Some of you think Charles will be on the list?

Why?

He's 30
Coming off his second acl tear
His replacements showed to be quality players on their own.


I highly doubt he makes the list.

Peyton Manning made this list at #50 in 2012 without playing a single damn snap in 2011 and coming off of a neck/nerve injury.

I'm pretty sure Jamaal, who has been top 20 for the last 3 years, will still get his due.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Berry, poe, peters, dj, yet to go.

Maybe Schwartz gets on?

I'll be shocked if Poe makes it.

Not because he doesn't deserve to, but he never has, and last year wasn't even his best season to date.

This year should be though. :)

[Chiefshrink]

Who really cares about the top 100 ? Just network NFL fodder to fill up air time that doesn't matter IMO.:rolleyes:

[Chief Roundup]

Who really cares about the top 100 ? Just network NFL fodder to fill up air time that doesn't matter IMO.:rolleyes:

Yeah it doesn't mean much in a lot of ways but being honored or nominated by your peers means something to each individual player.

[thabear04]

Peyton Manning made this list at #50 in 2012 without playing a single damn snap in 2011 and coming off of a neck/nerve injury.

I'm pretty sure Jamaal, who has been top 20 for the last 3 years, will still get his due.

I know I was like wtf why did he make the list.

[SAUTO]

I know I was like wtf why did he make the list.

Because it's the top 100 for the upcoming year.

Which he definitely was

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Because it's the top 100 for the upcoming year.

Which he definitely was

And there's a good chance the players will feel the same regarding Charles.

[ThaVirus]

Lol

Some of you think Charles will be on the list?

Why?

He's 30
Coming off his second acl tear
His replacements showed to be quality players on their own.


I highly doubt he makes the list.



Because he's a top 100 player.

Adrian Peterson missed 14 games in 2013 (or was it 2014?) and was listed in the 60s on the top 100 list.

[Mav]

Good for Alex. I never thought he'd make it. Means at least players think he's decent.


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[BossChief]

Did you guys watch the reaction show?

Tamba blasted NFL players for not ranking Alex Smith a lot higher, but said his own ranking was in line.

[Three7s]

Did you guys watch the reaction show?

Tamba blasted NFL players for not ranking Alex Smith a lot higher, but said his own ranking was in line.
I'm kind of surprised Hali was ranked. I didn't think he had that great of year.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I'm kind of surprised Hali was ranked. I didn't think he had that great of year.

Sack numbers were down yet again in comparison to his past, but he still puts pressure on QBs at a superior level and plays through injuries.

That'll get you plenty of respect.

[Shaid]

Houston's situation can go many different ways. Last year he was VASTLY underrated at #27 coming off of his 22 sack season.

But, since then he signed a huge contract which gets player's attention more than anything, was playing his best all around football to date, and then had the knee injury.

Combining those factors, I think he ends up about where he was last year.

I doubt he ranks that high. I'd guess in the 50s.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Close to showtime... Who's it gonna be for us?

My guess is Derrick Johnson, and if we have 2 again, also Jamaal Charles.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Boom. There it is, DJ at #80.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Just announced on the show that we have 9 players on the top 100.

The most of any team in the NFL.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

There's Jamaal Charles at 75.

[Chief Roundup]

Just announced on the show that we have 9 players on the top 100.

The most of any team in the NFL.

Alright since we know there are 9 total and they have named 6 so who is left other than Houston and Peters?

[BossChief]

Alright since we know there are 9 total and they have named 6 so who is left other than Houston and Peters?

Poe?
Bailey?
Howard?
Morse?
Berry?

[Chief Roundup]

Poe?
Bailey?
Howard?
Morse?
Berry?

Most likely Berry IMO

[BossChief]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Peters in the top 20.

Game recognize game.

Also, it's very impressive that the team has 3x the average each team should have if the talent pool was even.

It's a real shame KC lost so many key guys down the stretch in 2013 and 2015. Who knows what happens if they had stayed healthy.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

It's most definitely going to be Houston, Berry, and Peters

[Chief Roundup]

Who ranks the highest?

[eDave]

Crown em

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Who ranks the highest?

The order could go any given way, especially with Houston missing games last year

[thabear04]

Who ranks the highest?

I say Berry will be in the Top 15.

[Rain Man]

Just announced on the show that we have 9 players on the top 100.

The most of any team in the NFL.

Holy cow. That's wonderful.

[O.city]

Do we overrated poe? Doesn't seem the rest of the nfl feels that way

[RunKC]

So the most players in the top 100, as well as guys like Morse, Howard and Bailey who would probably be in that next range of players somewhere from 101-130.

It's time to fucking show it. This team has as much talent as any team in the league. Time to win the division and get to the SB.

[Urc Burry]

Do we overrated poe? Doesn't seem the rest of the nfl feels that way

No. He's not Marcell Dareus, but he's one of the top NT's in the game. He's just not at a flashy position, and doesn't pick up a ton of sacks. Not a lot of olineman make the list either

[BossChief]

http://youtu.be/LJ02PXM5H1A


Pretty cool that Von Miller was just gushing about Jamaal the whole video.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

You can watch any game, especially last year, and you'll see that Poe gets double teamed consistently. One on one's are very few and far between for Dontari. It's because he consistently wins them, usually embarrassing the O-Lineman.

He's one of the best there is. He makes everyone better around him by default, and that's worth something, whether other players recognize it or not. I guarantee that Allen Bailey and Jaye Howard do.

[O.city]

Man I hope Charles is back healthy this year. So fun to watch

[jspchief]

Lol

Some of you think Charles will be on the list?

Why?

He's 30
Coming off his second acl tear
His replacements showed to be quality players on their own.


I highly doubt he makes the list.
Ahem

[ThaVirus]

Hah. Yeah, such a weird post from Boss.

It's fucking Jamaal Charles. Of course he'd be in the top 100.

[RobBlake]

Chiefs HAVE to get homefield advantage in the playoffs.. no excuse not too. If the chiefs don't do it this year.. and depending on how season ends.. some players would need to go.

[BossChief]

Ahem

Shows how much respect the guy has with the players.

Especially Von Miller.

[Aspengc8]

Chiefs HAVE to get homefield advantage in the playoffs.. no excuse not too. If the chiefs don't do it this year.. and depending on how season ends.. some players would need to go.

Who do you think needs to go?

[Three7s]

If the Chiefs have 9 players in the Top 100, and 6 have already been named, I'd imagine the last 3 would be Houston, Peters, and Berry?

[BleedingRed]

If the Chiefs have 9 players in the Top 100, and 6 have already been named, I'd imagine the last 3 would be Houston, Peters, and Berry?

9 fing players......

[ThaVirus]

If the Chiefs have 9 players in the Top 100, and 6 have already been named, I'd imagine the last 3 would be Houston, Peters, and Berry?



It'll be those three for sure and I'd bet none of them will break the top 40.

[The Franchise]

DJ at 80 is horrible.

[Trivers]

It'll be those three for sure and I'd bet none of them will break the top 40.

I would easily take that bet. Easy money. :)

Berry.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I still think Houston will make the top 40, for sure.

He still played 10 games, and made some great plays in the process. Signing for $101 million definitely gets the attention of the players around the league too, he immediately pops into their heads for that alone. His injury has actually increased pub on the guy, because of the impact it can have.

I could be wrong, but I think even with the injury he will make the 30's.

[ThaVirus]

I still think Houston will make the top 40, for sure.



He still played 10 games, and made some great plays in the process. Signing for $101 million definitely gets the attention of the players around the league too, he immediately pops into their heads for that alone. His injury has actually increased pub on the guy, because of the impact it can have.



I could be wrong, but I think even with the injury he will make the 30's.



He certainly deserves to be listed in the top 40. I'm only guessing he won't because I've noticed that people just forget about you when you're injured. People have basically stopped talking about Houston in favor of Miller and Mack almost exclusively.

Speaking of, did Jordy Nelson or Kelvin Benjamin make the list?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Damn this team is loaded, but morons here bitch about not having enough talent ROFL Shows how little people know about other teams. Now time for this roster to put up or shut up

[OldSchool]

It'll be those three for sure and I'd bet none of them will break the top 40.

There is no way that the players will leave Berry out of the top 20. Berry will be the highest rated Chief this year for the amount of respect he's bound to get for the challenges that he went through.

[ThaVirus]

There is no way that the players will leave Berry out of the top 20. Berry will be the highest rated Chief this year for the amount of respect he's bound to get for the challenges that he went through.


The top 20 is far too crowded.

Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Newton, Gurley, Adrian Peterson, Bell, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Hopkins, Gronk, probably a couple OL, Watt, Mack, Miller, Keuchly, Patrick Peterson, Josh Norman. A few more in probably forgetting.

The top 20 is truly the creme de la creme of the NFL. Berry doesn't really belong with those other names, IMO.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Mack top 20 worthy but not Houston??? ROFL ROFL ROFL....Chiefs fans :facepalm:

[The Franchise]

Mack top 20 worthy but not Houston??? ROFL ROFL ROFL....Chiefs fans :facepalm:

This is for this last season. 15 sacks and 16 games played.....will be higher than 7.5 sacks and 11 games played.

Try using common sense.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This is for this last season. 15 sacks and 16 games played.....will be higher than 7.5 sacks and 11 games played.

Try using common sense.

Wrong dumbass. It's ranking them for the upcoming season and weighed heavy upon career performance.

[ThaVirus]

Mack top 20 worthy but not Houston??? ROFL ROFL ROFL....Chiefs fans :facepalm:

He certainly deserves to be listed in the top 40. I'm only guessing he won't because I've noticed that people just forget about you when you're injured. People have basically stopped talking about Houston in favor of Miller and Mack almost exclusively.

Do you even read?

[OldSchool]

The top 20 is far too crowded.

Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Newton, Gurley, Adrian Peterson, Bell, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Hopkins, Gronk, probably a couple OL, Watt, Mack, Miller, Keuchly, Patrick Peterson, Josh Norman. A few more in probably forgetting.

The top 20 is truly the creme de la creme of the NFL. Berry doesn't really belong with those other names, IMO.

I still say they'll rank him top 20. He may not be on that level as a player, but the respect he'll get for overcoming what he did will get him there.

[CanadianChiefs]

I f***** love Jamaal Charles

[Chief Roundup]

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/videos/Should-Jamaal-Charles-Be-Ranked-Higher-on-Top-100/ca253c1a-efec-4304-83e3-cec53bdb5137?sf26649696=1

[jspchief]

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/videos/Should-Jamaal-Charles-Be-Ranked-Higher-on-Top-100/ca253c1a-efec-4304-83e3-cec53bdb5137?sf26649696=1
Nice to see national guys that actually know their shit with regards to the Chiefs.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Tonight the countdown continues at 7 pm Arrowhead time with #s 70-61.

It's unknown if any Chiefs will make it or not as of right now, but what do you think?

I expect Marcus Peters to fall somewhere on the list tonight, leaving Eric Berry and Justin Houston remaining for future shows.

[Chief Roundup]

Tonight the countdown continues at 7 pm Arrowhead time with #s 70-61.

It's unknown if any Chiefs will make it or not as of right now, but what do you think?

I expect Marcus Peters to fall somewhere on the list tonight, leaving Eric Berry and Justin Houston remaining for future shows.

I am thinking Peters might be higher especially with McGinest putting him in the top 5 to possibly replace JJ Watt as the DPOTY.

[BossChief]

I think Peters falls somewhere between 30-20

[Perineum Ripper]

I was thinking 30-40 but can see him higher up..kid is a beast

[pugsnotdrugs19]

There it is, Marcus Peters comes in at #65 on the list.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Crabtree talking some trash on his video.

[BossChief]

There it is, Marcus Peters comes in at #65 on the list.

Shit.

I forgot it was on and just changed it to the show and missed Peters?

Fuck me.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Shit.

I forgot it was on and just changed it to the show and missed Peters?

**** me.

No worries.

Watch here ---> http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000665068/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-65-Marcus-Peters

[Quesadilla Joe]

Reddit's reaction to Peters being in the top 100...

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/4l2s3y/nfl_top_100_7061/d3jtny3

Was kind of surprised to see Chiefs fans who thought he didn't deserve to be on this list.

[ThaVirus]

Reddit's reaction to Peters being in the top 100...

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/4l2s3y/nfl_top_100_7061/d3jtny3

Was kind of surprised to see Chiefs fans who thought he didn't deserve to be on this list...

Once again, it's a ranking going into 2016. Based on his progression and showing true shutdown and playmaking ability in the last half of 2015, this high of a ranking can be justified.

[ThaVirus]

Haha. Eric Berry>Earl Thomas.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The BS about Peters giving up a bunch of yards and TDs is so over analyzed, and frankly it's just a way of opposing fans to try and sooth their minds about his potential.

Yeah, sure, he did early. Look no further than that fluke play by Brandon Tate at Cincy to see how his first 5 or so games went. But that back half, during our win streak and through the playoffs, he was undoubtedly one of the best corners in the league. The numbers show it.

I have full confidence that he will too come this season.

[Hydrae]

The BS about Peters giving up a bunch of yards and TDs is so over analyzed, and frankly it's just a way of opposing fans to try and sooth their minds about his potential.

Yeah, sure, he did early. Look no further than that fluke play by Brandon Tate at Cincy to see how his first 5 or so games went. But that back half, during our win streak and through the playoffs, he was undoubtedly one of the best corners in the league. The numbers show it.

I have full confidence that he will too come this season.

Let them underestimate him. Will make their learning curve longer as well as our enjoyment of watching him prove them wrong!

[BossChief]

The BS about Peters giving up a bunch of yards and TDs is so over analyzed, and frankly it's just a way of opposing fans to try and sooth their minds about his potential.

Yeah, sure, he did early. Look no further than that fluke play by Brandon Tate at Cincy to see how his first 5 or so games went. But that back half, during our win streak and through the playoffs, he was undoubtedly one of the best corners in the league. The numbers show it.

I have full confidence that he will too come this season.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-marcus-peters-has-been-a-star-in-the-second-half-of-the-season/

If nothing else, you know you are going to see big plays when watching Chiefs rookie cornerback Marcus Peters.

He is tied for the NFL lead in interceptions with eight, but has also given up seven touchdowns, a figure only three cornerbacks have topped.

He also leads the league in passes defensed with 18 (using PFF’s count that doesn’t double-count interceptions).

With a league-leading interception total, Peters is the obvious choice for Defensive Rookie of the Year for many, but as the touchdown total will suggest, there has been a lot of bad to his game as well as the good that people are all too willing to sweep under the carpet.

Peters is the most-targeted corner in the NFL this season, having been thrown at 132 times over 15 games, which is 28 more than the next corner. Truly elite players at the position do not tend to be thrown at that much, and the fact he has been suggests teams think they can beat him. Given the fact that he has surrendered 923 receiving yards and seven scores so far this season, they aren’t wrong, either. He is at least making them pay by making it a risky place to go with the football, but Peters has not been a shutdown corner this season.

The play of Sean Smith is certainly a contributing factor to Peters’ target rate, but if teams are deliberately going that way almost twice as often with the ball, just how well can Peters be playing?

The answer: Over the second half of the season, Peters has been playing like one of the best corners in the entire NFL.

It is clear that Peters’ season enjoyed a watershed at the bye week, which came for Kansas City this year after Week 8. And opponents at this point in the season seem to be working from old information. Peters is still being targeted as often as ever, but his numbers have been better in every other category. Before the bye week, Peters averaged 5.4 receptions allowed from almost nine targets per game, for an average of 72.1 yards. After the bye, he is averaging just 3.6 receptions for 49.4 yards on the same nearly nine targets per game.

Before the bye Peters was allowing 60.7 percent of passes thrown into his coverage to be completed, for a passer rating of 101.7, but since the bye he is allowing just 41.4 percent for a passer rating of 25.7.

All seven touchdowns that he has allowed this season came before the bye week, meaning that he hasn’t surrendered a score over the second half of the season, and yet over that same span he has five of his eight interceptions.

Over the balance of the season Peters has had a lot of negative play to go along with his good, and there is still a very good argument to be made that Buffalo’s Ronald Darby has been the better rookie corner over 15 games, but right now Peters looks like a different player to the rookie we saw over the first eight games of the season.

Since that bye Peters has the second-lowest completion percentage into his coverage in the NFL, and the second-lowest passer rating allowed among corners, and when all of his coverage numbers are put together might have been statistically the league’s most impressive cover corner over that time, not just the best rookie.

Defensive rookie of the year or otherwise, Peters looks to be firmly on the right track, and on the way to something impressive for a Chiefs team that will be playing in the postseason this year.

[thabear04]

Reddit's reaction to Peters being in the top 100...

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/4l2s3y/nfl_top_100_7061/d3jtny3

Was kind of surprised to see Chiefs fans who thought he didn't deserve to be on this list.

Bills fans getting butt hurt cause of Peters.

[RunKC]

The BS about Peters giving up a bunch of yards and TDs is so over analyzed, and frankly it's just a way of opposing fans to try and sooth their minds about his potential.

Yeah, sure, he did early. Look no further than that fluke play by Brandon Tate at Cincy to see how his first 5 or so games went. But that back half, during our win streak and through the playoffs, he was undoubtedly one of the best corners in the league. The numbers show it.

I have full confidence that he will too come this season.

That's one of the only cons you can point to in Peters game and it's easily fixable.

That Cincy play was crazy but Peters thought the play was dead and let the receiver get behind him, then couldn't recover in time. Just need to play to the whistle.

But like I said, If that's the biggest hole in your game then you are pretty fucking good.

[BossChief]

Peters biggest problem is going to be double moves.

Good QB/receivers ate him up with those last year.

[ChiefGator]

Peters biggest problem is going to be double moves.

Good QB/receivers ate him up with those last year.

Did you read the article that you posted? He was likely the best cover corner the second half of the season. I don't think any QB/WR combo "ate him up" on anything.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Peters biggest flaw is actually his tendency to have his eyes in the backfield too often.

It's part of what allows him to come up with so many interceptions, but it also allows his receiver to get open more easily because he's not fully aware of where he is going.

I don't mind him doing it, and obviously you're going to in zone coverage, but he could stand to cut back a little on it at times.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I like Crabtree fueling the fire of those Oakland-KC matchups to come. It's clear from that video that there is a distinct dislike for Peters.

[BossChief]

Peters biggest flaw is actually his tendency to have his eyes in the backfield too often.

It's part of what allows him to come up with so many interceptions, but it also allows his receiver to get open more easily because he's not fully aware of where he is going.

I don't mind him doing it, and obviously you're going to in zone coverage, but he could stand to cut back a little on it at times.

And that's about the only times he got beat.

Eyes in the backfield and got pumped for reaction and the double move gave him trouble.

Brady got him 3 times with it and other teams will absolutely try the same thing until Peters shows he will stay with the play and keep his eyes off the QB.

[BossChief]

I like Crabtree fueling the fire of those Oakland-KC matchups to come. It's clear from that video that there is a distinct dislike for Peters.

It's also clear that he doesn't want to provide any bulletin board material for MP.

[staylor26]

I like Crabtree fueling the fire of those Oakland-KC matchups to come. It's clear from that video that there is a distinct dislike for Peters.

Did you hear him talk about Maclin/Alex?

With Alex he had to mention how it never worked out for them on the field. Very obvious he blames Alex for that (when he's just not a real #1).

Then with Maclin, "Who would've thought Maclin and Alex would be a good duo?". He came off like a bitter faggot in all of these. Can't wait to see Peters push his shit in.

[ThaVirus]

Did you hear him talk about Maclin/Alex?

With Alex he had to mention how it never worked out for them on the field. Very obvious he blames Alex for that (when he's just not a real #1).

Then with Maclin, "Who would've thought Maclin and Alex would be a good duo?". He came off like a bitter pillowbitergot in all of these. Can't wait to see Peters push his shit in.

I didn't catch that vibe at all

[staylor26]

I didn't catch that vibe at all

Then you're probably terrible at reading people. It was pretty obvious to me that he's salty.

[ThaVirus]

Then you're probably terrible at reading people. It was pretty obvious to me that he's salty.

He legit starts off that video with a huge ass smile on his face as he says he likes Alex Smith and that he's a good dude.

[staylor26]

He legit starts off that video with a huge ass smile on his face as he says he likes Alex Smith and that he's a good dude.

I never said he doesn't like Alex, but calling the guy a "good dude" and then following it up with everything else he says, it's pretty clear how he feels about Alex the football player.

He's not going to come outright and tell you exactly how he feels. You have to read between the lines. What do you expect him to say with cameras on him?

"I don't know why it never worked out with us on the field." It's pretty clear who Crabtree is hinting at is to blame for that when he said what he said in Maclin's video. He essentially said "I can't believe Maclin had success with Smith, because that guy couldn't get me the ball to save his life."

[RunKC]

Did you hear him talk about Maclin/Alex?

With Alex he had to mention how it never worked out for them on the field. Very obvious he blames Alex for that (when he's just not a real #1).

Then with Maclin, "Who would've thought Maclin and Alex would be a good duo?". He came off like a bitter pillowbitergot in all of these. Can't wait to see Peters push his shit in.

Demaryius Thomas also hates Peters. Remember in Mile High last year when he got so frustrated he started shoving him?

Love it

[ThaVirus]

I never said he doesn't like Alex, but calling the guy a "good dude" and then following it up with everything else he says, it's pretty clear how he feels about Alex the football player.

He's not going to come outright and tell you ow he feels. You have to read between the lines.

"I don't know why it never worked out with us on the field." It's pretty clear who Crabtree is hinting at is to blame for that when he said what he said in Maclin's video. He essentially said "I can't believe Maclin had success with Smith, because that guy couldn't get me the ball to save his life."

You mean the part where he says "People talk about him but he stays in the playoffs. The only thing he hasn't done is won a Super Bowl"?

And of course he "blames" their issues on Smith. Guarantee if we could go inside Alex's mind he'd "blame" Crabs.

I think he showed a lot of respect for Smiff in that vid.

[Urc Burry]

Demaryius Thomas also hates Peters. Remember in Mile High last year when he got so frustrated he started shoving him?

Love it

He got under Edelman's skin too

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Yeah, Crabtree has been pretty indirectly bitter when it comes to all of those guys....

Whatever. He can enjoy his semi-pretty stat box with Carr, won't change the outcome of the game....

When both he and Alex got settled under Harbaugh, he won with Smith and no longer was considered a bust. That clearly didn't mean much to him if you're saying 'it never worked out'....

Selfish, that's all I get out of that from Crabtree.

[staylor26]

You mean the part where he says "People talk about him but he stays in the playoffs. The only thing he hasn't done is won a Super Bowl"?

And of course he "blames" their issues on Smith. Guarantee if we could go inside Alex's mind he'd "blame" Crabs.

I think he showed a lot of respect for Smiff in that vid.

Give me a fucking break. He gave the generic answer anybody would give for Alex.

I don't see how you don't see the insult in "Who would've thought Alex and Maclin would be a good duo?". I mean seriously, how would you take that if you were Alex?

[staylor26]

Yeah, Crabtree has been pretty indirectly bitter when it comes to all of those guys....

Whatever. He can enjoy his semi-pretty stat box with Carr, won't change the outcome of the game....

When both he and Alex got settled under Harbaugh, he won with Smith and no longer was considered a bust. That clearly didn't mean much to him if you're saying 'it never worked out'....

Selfish, that's all I get out of that from Crabtree.

Exactly. Do you really think Alex would refer to their situation the same way?

[The Franchise]

Crabtree is a bitch.

[staylor26]

Crabtree is a bitch.

His college career has made him delusional. He thinks he's so much better than he really is.

[ThaVirus]

Give me a ****ing break. He gave the generic answer anybody would give for Alex.

I don't see how you don't see the insult in "Who would've thought Alex and Maclin would be a good duo?". I mean seriously, how would you take that if you were Alex?

Maclin has VERY good hands but he's mostly been known as a speedy vertical threat on explosive offenses for much of his career. Our offense is not explosive and our QB has a shit deep ball. Crabtree's assessment wasn't too far off the mark of a lot of non-Chiefs fans prior to the 2015 season.

Thankfully Maclin is just that good. Easily our best offensive player aside from Jamaal.

[staylor26]

Crabtree is a bitch.

His college career has made him delusional. He thinks he's so much better than he really is.

You want to know why Alex has had more success with Maclin than you?

Because you're a #2 at best, not a #1.

[staylor26]

Maclin has VERY good hands but he's mostly been known as a speedy vertical threat on explosive offenses for much of his career. Our offense is not explosive and our QB has a shit deep ball. Crabtree's assessment wasn't too far off the mark of a lot of non-Chiefs fans prior to the 2015 season.

Thankfully Maclin is just that good. Easily our best offensive player aside from Jamaal.

Get Crabtree's dick out your ****ing mouth.

Maclin gets separation. Crabtree doesn't. Maclin is a #1. Crabtree isn't. Those "non-Chiefs fans" are idiots

[ThaVirus]

I hate Crabtree but I hate you more

[staylor26]

I hate Crabtree but I hate you more

Good. I couldn't give two shits about you personally.

[ThaVirus]

Good. I couldn't give two shits about you personally.



So where do you think Catapano will fall on the list?

[staylor26]

So where do you think Catapano will fall on the list?

Lol I guess I've been right a lot more often than I've been wrong when that's your (and everybody else's) "go to". I said Cat could be a good situational pass rusher and I was wrong (for now). Big ****ing deal.

Has nothing to do with you being an idiot and clearly losing this argument. Nice try though.

[ThaVirus]

Lol I guess I've been right a lot more often than I've been wrong when that's your (and everybody else's) "go to". I said Cat could be a good situational pass rusher and I was wrong (for now). Big ****ing deal.

Has nothing to do with you being an idiot and clearly losing this argument. Nice try though.


You tapped out.

I only mentioned Catapano because you brought up cock sucking.

[staylor26]

You tapped out.

Lol I tapped out?

The last thing you said was that you hated me, and then you brought up Cat.

I'm not sure you know what "tapping out" is, because that's exactly what YOU did.

[ThaVirus]

Lol I tapped out?



The last thing you said was that you hated me, and then you brought up Cat.



I'm not sure you know what "tapping out" is, because that's exactly what YOU did.


I said this:

Maclin has VERY good hands but he's mostly been known as a speedy vertical threat on explosive offenses for much of his career. Our offense is not explosive and our QB has a shit deep ball. Crabtree's assessment wasn't too far off the mark of a lot of non-Chiefs fans prior to the 2015 season.

Thankfully Maclin is just that good. Easily our best offensive player aside from Jamaal.


Then you said this:

Get Crabtree's dick out your ****ing mouth.


That's when you tapped.

[staylor26]

I said this:




Then you said this:




That's when you tapped.

"Maclin gets separation. Crabtree doesn't. Maclin is a #1. Crabtree isn't. Those "non-Chiefs fans" are idiots"

I don't know if the mention of Crabtree's dick made you miss this part or what?

In case you didn't get my point, Crabtree thinks he's better than he is and that's why he's in total shock at the success Smith/Maclin had together. It was all Alex's fault, and now some miracle happened and Alex had success with a WR that isn't that much better than he is (in his delusional mind). I mean the guy literally said "Why couldn't he throw the ball to me like that?" Are you fucking retarded?

For claiming to hate the guy, you're trying really hard to defend him when everybody else clearly saw what I saw.

[ThaVirus]

"Maclin gets separation. Crabtree doesn't. Maclin is a #1. Crabtree isn't. Those "non-Chiefs fans" are idiots"

I don't know if the mention of Crabtree's dick made you miss this part or what?

In case you didn't get my point, Crabtree thinks he's better than he is and that's why he's in total shock at the success Smith/Maclin had together.

For claiming to hate the guy, you're trying really hard to defend him when everybody else clearly saw what I saw.


You edited that second part. When I originally saw and quoted it, the part about Maclin getting separation wasn't in it. Are you going to deny that?

Most EVERY player thinks they're better than they truly are.

And that's where we disagree yet again. "Total shock"? You're exaggerating. All he said was "Who knew Maclin would be a good fit for Alex Smith". Then he said something to the effect of them establishing good chemistry and that they balled out or something.

I just don't see a ton of butthurt in his comments.

[ThaVirus]

. It was all Alex's fault, and now some miracle happened and Alex had success with a WR that isn't that much better than he is (in his delusional mind). I mean the guy literally said "Why couldn't he throw the ball to me like that?" Are you fucking retarded?.

Stop editing your shit so much.

He specified that he was talking about the deep balls that Alex was throwing Maclin last season.

I still don't see any problem with it. When Kaep stepped in after Smith got hurt, Crabs' production exploded immediately.

[staylor26]

You edited that second part. When I originally saw and quoted it, the part about Maclin getting separation wasn't in it. Are you going to deny that?

Most EVERY player thinks they're better than they truly are.

And that's where we disagree yet again. "Total shock"? You're exaggerating. All he said was "Who knew Maclin would be a good fit for Alex Smith". Then he said something to the effect of them establishing good chemistry and that they balled out or something.

I just don't see a ton of butthurt in his comments.

What does it matter whether I edited it or not? You still saw it and had the oppurtunity to add a rebuttal, but you chose instead to change the subject entirely. You tapped bro, it's ok.

Also, I guess you missed the "Why couldn't he throw the ball to me like that?" part. That's two comments that reek of him being salty. It doesn't take a fucking shrink to read between those lines.

[staylor26]

Stop editing your shit so much.

He specified that he was talking about the deep balls that Alex was throwing Maclin last season.

I still don't see any problem with it. When Kaep stepped in after Smith got hurt, Crabs' production exploded immediately.

I'll edit my shit as much as I want. It's not like I'm doing it 5 mins later. It's before it can even add the edit notification.

He got the ball to Maclin deep more than Crabtree because Maclin is actually a fucking deep threat and not a possession WR like Crabtree.

[ThaVirus]

What does it matter whether I edited it or not? You still saw it and had the oppurtunity to add a rebuttal, but you chose instead to change the subject entirely. You tapped bro, it's ok.



Also, I guess you missed the "Why couldn't he throw the ball to me like that?" part. That's two comments that reek of him being salty. It doesn't take a fucking shrink to read between those lines.


You edited it AFTER I originally saw it and responded. I didn't even see that you had added that bit until I went back to quote it again.

Doesn't matter anyway. It really isn't entirely factual. Crabs had nearly 1,000 yards and 9 TDs as a #2 last season. He CLEARLY isn't that bad.

And, again, he was specifically talking about the deep balls. Do I need to get a fucking transcript for you to read? Which, AGAIN, isn't incredibly out of left field. As I said, his numbers boomed almost immediately after Kaep assumed the starting job.

[staylor26]

You edited it AFTER I originally saw it and responded. I didn't even see that you had added that bit until I went back to quote it again.

Doesn't matter anyway. It really isn't entirely factual. Crabs had nearly 1,000 yards and 9 TDs as a #2 last season. He CLEARLY isn't that bad.

And, again, he was specifically talking about the deep balls. Do I need to get a ****ing transcript for you to read? Which, AGAIN, isn't incredibly out of left field. As I said, his numbers boomed almost immediately after Kaep assumed the starting job.

Crabtree complaining that Smith couldn't get him the ball deep "like that" is a clear example of how delusional that guy is.

If you can't see that, you're a ****ing moron.

[ThaVirus]

Crabtree complaining that Smith couldn't get him the ball deep "like that" is a clear example of how delusional that guy is.

If you can't see that, you're a ****ing moron.


You're approaching Dane-level debate tactics right now. You're arguing shit I never argued.

[staylor26]

You're approaching Dane-level debate tactics right now. You're arguing shit I never argued.

You just said Crabtree was referring to the deep ball as if it supported your argument.

[The Franchise]

Girls, girls, girls. Settle the fuck down.

[ThaVirus]

You just said Crabtree was referring to the deep ball as if it supported your argument.


I got a little sidetracked because you keep making new arguments. My argument from the start has been that your assessment of Crabs' feelings toward Alex were off base.

[staylor26]

I got a little sidetracked because you keep making new arguments. My argument from the start has been that your assessment of Crabs' feelings toward Alex were off base.

I'm making new arguments? No, I'm just not talking myself in circles like you are. I keep using examples to show you how you're wrong and you're ignoring them.

Whatever though. I guess everybody else that saw it is off base too. You're the only ****ing retard that can't read between the lines.

I'm aware that Crabtree does not simply hate Alex. I'm aware he had some nice things to say. That doesn't change the fact that he threw some shade.

Like pugs said, why would he describe their situation as "not working out" when they won?

Why would he say, "Why couldn't he throw me the ball like that?"

There's clearly some saltiness in those words for anybody that can see through the "he's a good dude" bullshit.

[vailpass]

Girls, girls, girls. Settle the **** down.

Right. Let's focus on something important such as how many Broncos we think will make this list when it's all said and done.

[ThaVirus]

I'm making new arguments? No, I'm just not talking myself in circles like you are. I keep using examples to show you how you're wrong and you're ignoring them.

Whatever though. I guess everybody else that saw it is off base too. You're the only ****ing retard that can't read between the lines.

I'm aware that Crabtree does not simply hate Alex. I'm aware he had some nice things to say. That doesn't change the fact that he threw some shade.

Like pugs said, why would he describe their situation as "not working out" when they won?

Why would he say, "Why couldn't he throw me the ball like that?"


You've gone from Crabs insulted Alex to Crabs is a #2 at best to Crabs isn't as good as Maclin to Crabs is delusional.

I'm saying he didn't seem all that butthurt to me and his comments about it "not working out for them" and "why couldn't he throw me some of those deep balls" aren't entirely off the mark given what happened almost immediately after Smith was benched.

I'd imagine he was saying it didn't work out for them so well because, well, it really didn't. As a QB-WR1 duo they underperformed which no doubt had an effect on the potency of their offense overall.

[staylor26]

You've gone from Crabs insulted Alex to Crabs is a #2 at best to Crabs isn't as good as Maclin to Crabs is delusional.

I'm saying he didn't seem all that butthurt to me and his comments about it "not working out for them" and "why couldn't he throw me some of those deep balls" aren't entirely off the mark given what happened almost immediately after Smith was benched.

I'd imagine he was saying it didn't work out for them so well because, well, it really didn't. As a QB-WR1 duo they underperformed which no doubt had an effect on the potency of their offense overall.

:facepalm:

Not one of those comments is innacurate or contradicts the other, and for the most part they go hand in hand.

They didn't "work out" as a QB-WR1 duo because Crabtree isn't a true ****ing #1. Never has been. Never will be. His skill set is that of a #2. He doesn't see this, hence me calling him delusional. Maclin is a true #1, hence my point there.

He's insinuating that was Alex's fault ("Why couldn't he throw ME the ball like that?"), and that he's all of a sudden become a different QB, which is false. He's not a fucking deep threat. If he thinks he is, he's even more delusional than I thought.

The reason why I say he insulted Alex is because he acted like it was a big ****ing surprise that Alex and Maclin had any success together. It was his way of saying I'm surprised he could get him the ball. If that's not an insult to your former QB, I don't know what is.

[ThaVirus]

:facepalm:

Not one of those comments is innacurate or contradicts the other, and for the most part they go hand in hand.

They didn't "work out" as a QB-WR1 duo because Crabtree isn't a true ****ing #1. Never has been. Never will be. His skill set is that of a #2. He doesn't see this, hence me calling him delusional. Maclin is a true #1, hence my point there.

He's insinuating that was Alex's fault ("Why couldn't he throw ME the ball like that?"), and that he's all of a sudden become a different QB, which is false.

The reason why I say he insulted Alex is because he acted like it was a big ****ing surprise that Alex and Maclin had any success together. It was his way of saying I'm surprised he could get him the ball. If that's not an insult to your former QB, I don't know what is.


He has shown the ability to be a true #1, specifically while he was playing with Kaep in the latter half of 2012 including a pretty stellar postseason as well as another pretty good postseason game in 2013.

Shit, even as a #2 with Derek Carr he had a better season statistically than Cooper in some categories.

Skill set isn't the end-all-be-all in determining starter potential. Bowe, Boldin, Rice, Roddy White, etc are all possession receivers who have been #1s throughout their career.

[OldSchool]

Congrats to Marcus Peters.

Also, stop arguing about Smith. People are just going to have their own opinion about him, right or wrong. He's the QB of this team right now, nothing you think or say will change that fact. So chill.

[staylor26]

He has shown the ability to be a true #1, specifically while he was playing with Kaep in the latter half of 2012 including a pretty stellar postseason as well as another pretty good postseason game in 2013.

Shit, even as a #2 with Derek Carr he had a better season statistically than Cooper in some categories.

Skill set isn't the end-all-be-all in determining starter potential. Bowe, Boldin, Rice, Roddy White, etc are all possession receivers who have been #1s throughout their career.

:facepalm:

Argument ends here.

[jspchief]

Jesus. Stop quoting dane jr.

[ThaVirus]

Jesus. Stop quoting dane jr.


?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Another Chief to be named soon... Very likely Berry.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

There's Berry, #55.

Only Justin Houston remains for the Chiefs.

[Chief Roundup]

The link in the OP is Dez Bryant not Eric Berry.

[Chief Roundup]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2016/0ap3000000666120/Top-100-Players-of-2016-No-55-Eric-Berry

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The link in the OP is Dez Bryant not Eric Berry.

It must have updated with each announced player.

I'll fix it.

[staylor26]

Blake Bortles #56. Insane.

[BossChief]

Blake Bortles #56. Insane.

He will be a lot higher next year. Dude is on the short list of QBs thats leading the new generation of franchise QBs once Tom, Drew, Phillip, Eli, Ryan and others retire in the coming years.

The Jags defense is going to be a lot better as will be its receivers.

I think that division will be a dogfight with the Jags and Texans...and the Colts only have Luck, who will get a 6 year 150m deal done soon.

[Bowser]

Blake Bortles #56. Insane.

It's a fantasy football league, dude. Bortles put up ridiculous numbers last year (ridiculous for Jax, anyway).

[staylor26]

He will be a lot higher next year. Dude is on the short list of QBs thats leading the new generation of franchise QBs once Tom, Drew, Phillip, Eli, Ryan and others retire in the coming years.

The Jags defense is going to be a lot better as will be its receivers.

I think that division will be a dogfight with the Jags and Texans...and the Colts only have Luck, who will get a 6 year 150m deal done soon.

I loved Bortles coming out and I agree with all of that, but that is just way too high. He should be closer to Alex and Carr's range. 18 INT's and some downright terrible games. I think he gets there eventually though.

It's a fantasy football league, dude. Bortles put up ridiculous numbers last year (ridiculous for Jax, anyway).

I'm aware of that, but that's still way higher than I ever thought he'd be.

[Sorter]

I loved Bortles coming out and I agree with all of that, but that is just way too high. He should be closer to Alex and Carr's range. 18 INT's and some downright terrible games. I think he gets there eventually though.



I'm aware of that, but that's still way higher than I ever thought he'd be.

Due to irresponsible shit-talking, I had to watch six Bortles games this past year.

...I've no fucking clue what he's going to do. There are periods where he looks excellent and some that are reminiscent of Thigpen.


JMO.

[mcaj22]

I loved Bortles coming out and I agree with all of that, but that is just way too high. He should be closer to Alex and Carr's range. 18 INT's and some downright terrible games. I think he gets there eventually though.



I think he's already there.

vs Saints 27 for 35 368 yards 4 touchdowns 2 ints
vs Titans 24 for 36 322 yards 5 touchdowns
vs Bucs 23 for 33 303 yards 4 touchdowns 1 int

THOSE ARE ALL GAMES THE JAGS LOST. With that kind of QB performance, their defense was that bad.

If a Chiefs QB has 3 games like that we have a shot at the Super Bowl.

[staylor26]

I think he's already there.

vs Saints 27 for 35 368 yards 4 touchdowns 2 ints
vs Titans 24 for 36 322 yards 5 touchdowns
vs Bucs 23 for 33 303 yards 4 touchdowns 1 int

THOSE ARE ALL GAMES THE JAGS LOST. With that kind of QB performance, their defense was that bad.

If a Chiefs QB has 3 games like that we have a shot at the Super Bowl.

Did you even look at those teams? Saints, Bucs, and Titans? ROFL

He also had 5 games with 2+ INT's, and 12 games with at least 1. Not to mention he was under 60% in 9 games and on the season, with two games under 50%. He put up some big #'s against shit competiton throwing to one of the best duos in the NFL, but he was absolutely awful in some games. The Chiefs don't even make the playoffs with Bortles as their QB in 2015.

[mcaj22]

Did you even look at those teams? Saints, Bucs, and Titans? ROFL

He also had 5 games with 2+ INT's, and 12 games with at least 1. Not to mention he was under 60% in 9 games and on the season, with two games under 50%. He put up some big #'s against shit competiton throwing to one of the best duos in the NFL, but he was absolutely awful in some games. The Chiefs don't even make the playoffs with Bortles as their QB in 2015.

Yea that's the point, Jags defense couldnt stop even the Saints, Bucs, Titans, teams you are suppose to beat/stop.

Chiefs stomp those teams with Alex Smith, because of our defenses ability to beat up on the bad teams and/or generate stops.

Bortles doesn't have that. He has to carry his team on his back, thus his entire team will vote for him, because he is far and away the best player on the Jags.

[staylor26]

Yea that's the point, Jags defense couldnt stop even the Saints, Bucs, Titans, teams you are suppose to beat/stop.

Chiefs stomp those teams with Alex Smith, because of our defenses ability to beat up on the bad teams and/or generate stops.

Bortles doesn't have that. He has to carry his team on his back, thus his entire team will vote for him, because he is far and away the best player on the Jags.

That has nothing to do with those teams defenses. All 3 are among the worst, and not much better than the Jags. You can't just ignore those other #'s I posted though. Some of those stats are really bad.

Also, he has two WR's (also in that top 100) that make up one of the best duos in the NFL. You can't ignore that either.

[mcaj22]

That has nothing to do with those teams defenses. All 3 are among the worst, and not much better than the Jags. You can't just ignore those other #'s I posted though. Some of those stats are really bad.

Also, he has two WR's (also in that top 100) that make up one of the best duos in the NFL. You can't ignore that either.

If your QB throws 3, 4, 5 touchdowns in a game, your team should really win it.

Chiefs have Alex Smith throwing 1 or 2 in a game and they win by 20 points sometimes. Alex threw 0 touchdowns in a game last year and the Chiefs won 33-3.

Bortles does not have that luxory. Yes 18 picks is a lot, yes 14 fumbles is a lot. Bortles should take care of the ball, but he's more Brett Favre. But the games I pointed out he really played as best as you could and his team let him down.

Alex Smith had 1 game like that in a Chiefs uniform against Indy in the playoffs and the defense let him down and this place still hasn't forgotten it. Can you imagine if that happened multiple times a season like it does with the Jaguars?

[staylor26]

If your QB throws 3, 4, 5 touchdowns in a game, your team should really win it.

Chiefs have Alex Smith throwing 1 or 2 in a game and they win by 20 points sometimes. Alex threw 0 touchdowns in a game last year and the Chiefs won 33-3.

Bortles does not have that luxory. Yes 18 picks is a lot, yes 14 fumbles is a lot. Bortles should take care of the ball, but he's more Brett Favre. But the games I pointed out he really played as best as you could and his team let him down.

Alex Smith had 1 game like that in a Chiefs uniform against Indy in the playoffs and the defense let him down and this place still hasn't forgotten it. Can you imagine if that happened multiple times a season like it does with the Jaguars?

I'll take Alex Smith's average stats, consistency, efficiency, and accuracy over Bortle's inaccuracy and gaudy stats over Bortles big stats, inconsistency, inefficiency, and inaccuracy with this team all day.

Until Bortles shows significant improvement, he is not the type of QB you can win a SB with. He would not get it done against the best defenses in the NFL with what he's shown. He couldn't even get it done against Houston's D, imagine this year when he has to play our division. There's a good chance he regresses this year.

Keep in mind, he had 10 games against the AFCS and NFCS. The two worst divisions in football last year.

Like I said, I loved this guy coming out. I think he will get there, but he might have to go backwards to move forward. This year will be a great learning experience.

[Urc Burry]

As its been stated before this is the top 100 going into the 2016 season. Even so Bortles is already better than Alex Smith has ever been. I don't even think it's arguable. He's had a better year than Alex has ever had in his second year with a dog shit oline, no run game, and 2 2nd year receivers (who are studs, though... Especially Robinson). It might take a little more time since they mainly addressed the defense this offseason, but Bortles is going to be elite sooner, rather than later. Take the shades off

[ThaVirus]

Hah! I called Bortles like a motherfucker.

[ThaVirus]

I haven't actually watched the show but saw something about it on social media. Carr was ranked #100 and Luck #92, IIRC. People are also saying 15 QBs made the list.

So I was just trying to fill in the blanks. Bortles will be on it for sure. So will Romo. Do you disagree?



Cousins! I had forgotten about him. Yeah, he could definitely get the nod with his age. He's got potential.

I'm still sticking to my Bortles guns though. I think he'll make it.



Bortles threw 35 TDs last season and that Jaguars offense is on the come up.



Negrodamus.

[staylor26]

As its been stated before this is the top 100 going into the 2016 season. Even so Bortles is already better than Alex Smith has ever been. I don't even think it's arguable. He's had a better year than Alex has ever had in his second year with a dog shit oline, no run game, and 2 2nd year receivers (who are studs, though... Especially Robinson). It might take a little more time since they mainly addressed the defense this offseason, but Bortles is going to be elite sooner, rather than later. Take the shades off

:facepalm:

[staylor26]

Just to give you guys an idea how ridiculous it is to say Bortles is already better than Alex Smith, let's take out Bortles big games against the Titans, Saints, and Bucs and what do you have?

13 other games: 25 TD's, 15 INT's. Under 60%.

Stop looking at just season totals to base your opinions. If you're gonna be a stat whore at least look a little deeper.

[O.city]

It's also just his 2nd year in the league and he was plus 10 there. That's not bad. It's different than our qb though.

But Bortles isn't asked to just manage it like smith is. Possibly because he can't but he's asked to be more aggressive and sling it around. Turnovers happen and the guys who can sling it like that and not turn it over are your manning and rodgers.

[staylor26]

It's also just his 2nd year in the league and he was plus 10 there. That's not bad. It's different than our qb though.

But Bortles isn't asked to just manage it like smith is. Possibly because he can't but he's asked to be more aggressive and sling it around. Turnovers happen and the guys who can sling it like that and not turn it over are your manning and rodgers.


25 TD's/15 INT's and under 60% in 13 games just isn't getting it done. You guys are looking at the totals. Look deeper.

10 games against the AFCS and NFCS. The two worst divisions in the NFL last year.

Guaranteed his #'s don't look as good this year with the division improving, and playing the AFCW and NFCN.

[RunKC]

Bortles and Carr are kinda like Favre/Cutler. They make some great plays with their arms and can fill the stat sheet, but they also make some of the stupidest mistakes turning the ball over.

We swept the Raiders last year BC we forced Carr into making bad plays bc of pressure. And we didn't even have Houston for either game ROFL

Seriously go look at the stupid ass turnovers Carr gave to us last year. He needs to clean that shit up.

[O.city]

25 TD's/15 INT's and under 60% in 13 games just isn't getting it done. You guys are looking at the totals. Look deeper.

10 games against the AFCS and NFCS. The two worst divisions in the NFL last year.

Guaranteed his #'s don't look as good this year with the division improving, and playing the AFCW and NFCN.

Take away Alex Smith's best 3 games last year, what's the total.

Bortles is a 2nd year player. Shit happens

[Sandy Vagina]

I don't see why anyone should give a shit to trip over these rankings.

Alex has been steadily good these last 4 years.. Bortles is starting to look like a good QB in his second yr as well. Bortles put up some nice production, but it does look like it comes at a cost.. that cost being 26 turnovers in 2015.. though the high TDs and yardage balance this more. The Jags defense has been bottom tier, so this typically would boost a QB's numbers.. both the good and bad.

Big year for Bortles to clean his game up and prove where he is.

[staylor26]

Take away Alex Smith's best 3 games last year, what's the total.

Bortles is a 2nd year player. Shit happens

Nick Foles had 27 TD's and 2 INT's with a 64% completion percentage (10 starts) in just his 3rd year. Not to mention it was against better competition, without one of the leagues best WR duos. Stats can obviously be misleading when trying to project a young QB's future.

They were 3 shootouts against 3 other shit teams (Titans, Saints, Bucs) with terrible defenses, AND they still lost all 3 games. You have to take those games out of consideration just so you can get a better idea of how bad he really was for the most part.

You guys clearly haven't seen just how bad he was in those other games. My best friend is a Jags fan and I live in Florida, so I'm going to assume you guys aren't idiots and just haven't seen it for yourselves.

[mcaj22]

You cant just take Bortles 3 best games out and cherry pick his stats. Thats what got him on the list his ability to have a hot streak for a string of games. Thats how a team sometimes gets to the Super Bowl ala Flacco or Eli. Bortles has that ability to string 4 out of this world games together and carry his team. You take the bad with the good with a QB like him. He hasnt done it yet but he has the makings of it if the franchise ever compliments him and starts winning.

You can enjoy Alex Smiths effeciency and invisible touchdowns all you want but the fact remains that type of QB rarely makes the Super Bowl, Alex needed a historic elite #1 defense to get him there that set a bunch of records, and all those guys are now washed up or retired because they played so hard in that window for the 49ers. ( same is going to happen to your favorite Chiefs defenders as well ) It wasnt because Alex only threw 1 interception, they still shut people down with Kaepernick too.

So you enjoy the Trent Dilfers and Doug Williams game managers that take care of the ball and once every 20 years win a Super Bowl and Ill enjoy the gunslingers that toss it around the field and can get hot at any time.

To say youd take Alex Smith over any young QB in this game and that the Chiefs wouldnt be a contender, youre just lying to yourself and are a Chiefs fan content with mid tier QB play.

[staylor26]

You cant just take Bortles 3 best games out and cherry pick his stats. Thats what got him on the list his ability to have a hot streak for a string of games. Thats how a team sometimes gets to the Super Bowl ala Flacco or Eli. Bortles has that ability to string 4 out of this world games together and carry his team. You take the bad with the good with a QB like him. He hasnt done it yet but he has the makings of it if the franchise ever compliments him and starts winning.

You can enjoy Alex Smiths effeciency and invisible touchdowns all you want but the fact remains that type of QB rarely makes the Super Bowl, Alex needed a historic elite #1 defense to get him there that set a bunch of records, and all those guys are now washed up or retired because they played so hard in that window for the 49ers. ( same is going to happen to your favorite Chiefs defenders as well ) It wasnt because Alex only threw 1 interception, they still shut people down with Kaepernick too.

So you enjoy the Trent Dilfers and Doug Williams game managers that take care of the ball and once every 20 years win a Super Bowl and Ill enjoy the gunslingers that toss it around the field and can get hot at any time.

To say youd take Alex Smith over any young QB in this game and that the Chiefs wouldnt be a contender, youre just lying to yourself and are a Chiefs fan content with mid tier QB play.

Where the **** did I say that? JFC, talk about putting words in somebody's mouth.

I'm not even saying Bortles can't/won't be better than Alex. I'm just saying the Bortles of 2015 was not. We certainly wouldn't have gone any further with him, and probably don't even make the playoffs.

Also, that's not cherry picking stats as much as it is not allowing 3 big games against shit teams with terrible defenses that still ended up in losses excuse how bad he was for the majority of the season. 13 of his 38 TD's came in those 3 games. You can't just ****ing ignore that.

He played 3-4 playoff caliber defenses all year and wasn't very good against either of them. Can we at least see him do it against a defense that isn't among the NFL's worst before we make ridiculous claims?

[RunKC]

2012-Andrew Luck
2013-Geno Smith
2014-Blake Bortles
2015-Jared Goff

Why do the football gods hate us so much?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Bortles has nice potential, but it's not hard to pad stats when you're down in games week in and week out...

I'm not saying he isn't good, but he's got a ways to go before he's as good as he was ranked.

[ThaVirus]

Bortles has nice potential, but it's not hard to pad stats when you're down in games week in and week out...

Then how come Alex can't do it?

[ThaVirus]

Thankfully we don't get blown out very often anymore, but in games in which we were beaten soundly Alex has choked on dicks.

17-27 loss at Denver in 2013: 46% completion percentage and 5.1 YPA.

7-23 loss against Indianapolis in 2013: 57% completion percentage, 153 yards, 5.5 YPA, 0 TDs, 1 INTs.

10-26 loss against Tennessee in 2014: 54% completion percentage, 5.8 YPA, 1 TD, 3 INTs.

16-29 loss against Denver in 2014: 153 yards.

28-38 loss at Green Bay in 2015: <300 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 fumbles.

21-36 loss at Cincinatti in 2015: 386 yards and 0 TDs.

[ThaVirus]

Like to see Bortles work on his decision making, but that's to be expected from a second year QB. From a purely statistical perspective, he showed great progression from his rookie season. Yards, YPA, TDs, passer rating, 20+ and 40+ yarders all took a HUGE jump while his INT % fell significantly.

If he can limit his mistakes and up his completion percentage, we'll be talking about a top 10 QB, possibly even top 5 with all of these old timers retiring in the next 3-4 seasons.

[ThaVirus]

It's also hilarious what and to whom people choose to latch onto.

This last season for Bortles was very similar to Luck's 2014 from a statistical standpoint while many elements of their game and surrounding circumstances also mirrored each other.

Bortles:

4,400 yards
7.3 YPA
35 TDs
18 INTs
14 fumbles

Luck in 2014:

4,700 yards
7.7 YPA
40 TDs
16 INTs
13 fumbles

They both had great receiving options with shit ass offensive lines.

And that's comparing a second year guy to a third year guy. If Bortles were the Chiefs QB id be excited as shit for the future.

[ThaVirus]

Andrew Luck, who is treated like a God by many on CP, has a career completion percentage of 58.1.

Bortles: 58.7.

[ThaVirus]

This last season for Bortles was very similar to Luck's 2014 from a statistical standpoint while many elements of their game and surrounding circumstances also mirrored each other.

Bortles:

4,400 yards
7.3 YPA
35 TDs
18 INTs
14 fumbles

Luck in 2014:

4,700 yards
7.7 YPA
40 TDs
16 INTs
13 fumbles.


And I'll tell you the major difference as to why the two are viewed at so differently: in 2014 the Colts defense allowed 23.1 PPG. The Jags in 2015? 28.

If the Jags had been able to hold their opponents to an average of 23.1 PPG last season they'd have made the playoffs. We probably still would have beaten them but I don't think it'd have been a 30-0 beatdown like we gave the Texans.